Mezcaal and Umeko

jaymq · 04-05-2010, 09:49 PM

I was wondering if anyone could confirm if Mezcaal has any relationship to Umeko/Ninjara? I read on a forum somewhere that she does, but the comics didn't seem to back that up. Just that her grandmother was spiritual, just not a name and Raph didn't seem to give any indication he knew who it was.

Thanks in advance for any info.

*Powder* · 04-05-2010, 10:06 PM

I thought I read somewhere that mezcaal was Ninjaras daughter or something but I haven't read past like issue 32 of archie so I have no idea.

***First of Two Latin Kings*** · 04-05-2010, 10:22 PM

No no no. Mezcaal is, I believe, Ninjara's GRAND-Daughter.

I forget where I read that though...

Pretty kinky sh!t if you ask me...

Edit: And, if you think about it, it makes perfect sense since animals in the canine family don't live all that long. If the Turtles are like 100 in the Cyber Samurai mini-series, and Ninjara had HER daughter shortly after TMNT #70...well, you do the math.

*CyberCubed* · 04-05-2010, 11:18 PM

So Raph dated Ninjara and then dates her granddaughter in the future?

*Coola Yagami* · 04-05-2010, 11:26 PM

For all we know, he probably dated her daughter too. Dude got issues.

***First of Two Latin Kings*** · 04-05-2010, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

So Raph dated Ninjara and then dates her granddaughter in the future?

I don't remember where I read that...but I remember reading it.

I mean, have you noticed her resemblance to Mokoshan too?

It isn't like he was around when she was a kid...he met her after she'd become an adult. So it isn't THAT weird.

Topsu · 04-06-2010, 10:30 AM

Well, in Ninjara-comics, which appeared in Furrlough, she had a daughter named Moka and Mokoshan was killed. I can't remember seeing mention of Mezcaal being related to Ninjara, but then again, I haven't read all adventures in english, part only in finnish.

It is possible for her to be daughter or even granddaughter of Moka, which would make her either granddaughter or greatgranddaughter of Ninjara. If anyone can tell me where this was mentioned in comics, and maybe a scan of that particular happening, I'd appreciate it.

***First of Two Latin Kings*** · 04-06-2010, 10:56 AM

I thought I read it in something Dan or Murph posted somewhere. I could be wrong though.

Verification would be nice, but until we have proof otherwise she's Ninjara's grand-daughter as far as I'm concerned.

jaymq · 04-06-2010, 12:13 PM

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Well, in Ninjara-comics, which appeared in Furrlough, she had a daughter named Moka and Mokoshan was killed. I can't remember seeing mention of Mezcaal being related to Ninjara, but then again, I haven't read all adventures in english, part only in finnish.

I read that too, I also read that names in that clan were taken after parents as well. Or at least, the father.

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I thought I read it in something Dan or Murph posted somewhere. I could be wrong though.

Can we get in touch with either one of them to find out for sure?

But neither Archie comics or Furlough confirmed blood relations.

*ToTheNines* · 04-06-2010, 12:25 PM

Dan's easy to get ahold of, and I know some people here hold contact with Murphy, so I'm sure we'll find out eventually.

I don't like the idea of them being related, makes Raph really creepy.

***First of Two Latin Kings*** · 04-06-2010, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ToTheNines

I don't like the idea of them being related, makes Raph really creepy.

Explain?

Like I said, if he didn't meet her until she had grown up/established herself as a mature adult, there's not really anything creepy about it. Let's not make Raphael into Woody Allen.

*ToTheNines* · 04-06-2010, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Oroku_CJJ

Like I said, if he didn't meet her until she had grown up/established herself as a mature adult, there's not really anything creepy about it. Let's not make Raphael into Woody Allen.

For instace, I'd have trouble getting close to a girl who had previously dated a friend of mine. I would never be with someone who had previously dated a family member of mine, especially not my grandfather.

***First of Two Latin Kings*** · 04-06-2010, 12:40 PM

Okay. Well I guess I can't say much to dispute that.

**Venom** · 04-06-2010, 06:57 PM

I've posted this several times whenever this pops up, Mezcaal is Ninjara's great-granddaughter.

*Coola Yagami* · 04-06-2010, 07:06 PM

Relative or not, Raph proved that once you go fox, you don't go back.

*plastroncafe* · 04-06-2010, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Venom

I've posted this several times whenever this pops up, Mezcaal is Ninjara's great-granddaughter.

Citation needed.

jaymq · 04-06-2010, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Venom

I've posted this several times whenever this pops up, Mezcaal is Ninjara's great-granddaughter.

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Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Citation needed.

What plastroncafe said. My point to posting this was asking for a source/proof/whatever else.

**Venom** · 04-06-2010, 09:55 PM

I'll have to go back and check my Archie books to see if it's actually noted as such there. IIRC, 62 had a mention of her grandmother...

I was seriously thinking Murph had clarified Mezcaal's relation to Ninjara on his blog a few years back.

~~Leo656~~ · 04-06-2010, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Relative or not, Raph proved that once you go fox, you don't go back.

Win.

So Raph being into furries isn't weird, but dating his ex-girlfriend's granddaughter is? That the rule now?

None of it's weird, it's a comic book. I always thought it made Raph a little more deep, like subconsciously he was trying to recapture with Mez what he screwed up with Ninjara. Never bothered me.

***First of Two Latin Kings*** · 04-06-2010, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

None of it's weird, it's a comic book. I always thought it made Raph a little more deep, like subconsciously he was trying to recapture with Mez what he screwed up with Ninjara. Never bothered me.

Never thought of it that way. But Raph is sort of the "Emo," archetypal Lord Byron type...

04-05-2010, 09:49 PM	#1
jaymq Hench Mutant Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 435	Mezcaal and Umeko I was wondering if anyone could confirm if Mezcaal has any relationship to Umeko/Ninjara? I read on a forum somewhere that she does, but the comics didn't seem to back that up. Just that her grandmother was spiritual, just not a name and Raph didn't seem to give any indication he knew who it was. Thanks in advance for any info.

04-05-2010, 11:26 PM	#5
Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15,684	For all we know, he probably dated her daughter too. Dude got issues. __________________ "I was down with TMNT once, but then they changed what TMNT was. Now what I was down with is no longer TMNT and what TMNT now is seems weird and scary. And it'll happen to YOU." Check out my blog for Comic Reviews and other things. https://markepicblogofrandomness.blogspot.com/ I also started The AEW Crew, the All Elite Wrestling Fan Club! https://www.facebook.com/groups/637508120044168/

04-06-2010, 07:06 PM	#15
Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15,684	Relative or not, Raph proved that once you go fox, you don't go back. __________________ "I was down with TMNT once, but then they changed what TMNT was. Now what I was down with is no longer TMNT and what TMNT now is seems weird and scary. And it'll happen to YOU." Check out my blog for Comic Reviews and other things. https://markepicblogofrandomness.blogspot.com/ I also started The AEW Crew, the All Elite Wrestling Fan Club! https://www.facebook.com/groups/637508120044168/

04-05-2010, 10:06 PM	#2
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,945	I thought I read somewhere that mezcaal was Ninjaras daughter or something but I haven't read past like issue 32 of archie so I have no idea.

04-05-2010, 11:18 PM	#4
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,805	So Raph dated Ninjara and then dates her granddaughter in the future?

04-06-2010, 10:30 AM	#7
Topsu Hench Mutant Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Finland Posts: 400	Well, in Ninjara-comics, which appeared in Furrlough, she had a daughter named Moka and Mokoshan was killed. I can't remember seeing mention of Mezcaal being related to Ninjara, but then again, I haven't read all adventures in english, part only in finnish. It is possible for her to be daughter or even granddaughter of Moka, which would make her either granddaughter or greatgranddaughter of Ninjara. If anyone can tell me where this was mentioned in comics, and maybe a scan of that particular happening, I'd appreciate it.

04-06-2010, 12:25 PM	#10
ToTheNines Col. Stinkmeaner Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 19,215	Dan's easy to get ahold of, and I know some people here hold contact with Murphy, so I'm sure we'll find out eventually. I don't like the idea of them being related, makes Raph really creepy.

04-06-2010, 06:57 PM	#14
Venom Space Knight Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 3,637	I've posted this several times whenever this pops up, Mezcaal is Ninjara's great-granddaughter.

04-06-2010, 09:55 PM	#18
Venom Space Knight Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 3,637	I'll have to go back and check my Archie books to see if it's actually noted as such there. IIRC, 62 had a mention of her grandmother... I was seriously thinking Murph had clarified Mezcaal's relation to Ninjara on his blog a few years back.