Would you say Nick buying TMNT from Mirage was the best move for the series?

[CyberCubed]

A lot of people were skeptical of what a non-Mirage owned TMNT franchise would turn out like, but it's turning out for the best. Perhaps TMNT being owned by a new group of people was the best thing to happen.

Because of Nick we got:

1. Brand new adult themed comic from IDW in full color.

2. IDW will start reprints of old comics.

3. The new cartoon sounds promising, mixing new ideas with old. Only thing that might hold it back is childish writing.

4. Playmates new toys are apparently better than ever before according to people who saw them.

5. A new movie is still being worked on.

6. Kevin Eastman is working on the turtles again.


The only thing Nick has to do otherwise is release proper boxsets of the 4kids series and Turtles Forever uncut in the U.S.

And if all this new turtle stuff motivates PL to finish Volume 4 than that is icing on the cake.

I am glad to see the third generation of TMNT off to a promising start.

[Powder]

The series as a whole? Definitely. I need not explain why 'cause you've got it covered.
I had slight skepticism in the beginning but I felt pretty confident we'd get good stuff after a while.
Matter of fact, I underestimated Nick, they're seemingly throwing awesome at us from all directions.

[Master Splinter]

A lot of people were skeptical of what a non-Mirage owned TMNT franchise would turn out like, but it's turning out for the best. Perhaps TMNT being owned by a new group of people was the best thing to happen.

Because of Nick we got:

1. Brand new adult themed comic from IDW in full color.

2. IDW will start reprints of old comics.

3. The new cartoon sounds promising, mixing new ideas with old. Only thing that might hold it back is childish writing.

4. Playmates new toys are apparently better than ever before according to people who saw them.

5. A new movie is still being worked on.

6. Kevin Eastman is working on the turtles again.


The only thing Nick has to do otherwise is release proper boxsets of the 4kids series and Turtles Forever uncut in the U.S.

And if all this new turtle stuff motivates PL to finish Volume 4 than that is icing on the cake.

I am glad to see the third generation of TMNT off to a promising start.

You have hit the nail pretty much on the head with each point. I think it has been for the better. I am certainly happy that Peter retained some rights so he can continue if he pleases, but it is great that many great new artists can take the property to the next level.

-ms

[gobo]

Considering there wouldn't even be a Nick series had they not bought it, I'd say it was a good move. However, I think TMNT flourished better in the modest hands of small-timers.

[Zog the Equalizer]

I remember the day I heard the news. At first I was worried and then as I thought about it I was really happy it happened because it pretty much breathed new life into the franchise on every front.

[Roseangelo]

TMNT was dead in the water at the end of 2009 if Peter hadn't sold to someone, be it Nickelodeon or another entity.

[Venom]

Considering there wouldn't even be a Nick series had they not bought it, I'd say it was a good move. However, I think TMNT flourished better in the modest hands of small-timers.

Hmm, let's do a quick run down:

- Movies with low budgets and declining quality (yes, I know TMNT has a 54 mil budget, but it was used for a toon rather than trying another live action flick) and was typically distributed by smaller, independent studios.
- A cartoon series which was getting cancelled, apparently from lack of interest and funding from the two main backers (Mirage and Playmates).
- A toy line that was a shell of its former self, using tired ideas and lackluster detail/articulation.
- Video games that were disappointing when compared to previous outings
- The comic series withered away to only a mere percent of what it sold in its heyday, becoming a vanity project for Peter.

The biggest attraction of Mirage owning the Turtles was the access we had directly with those who had a hand in the franchise. With Nick owning them, we still have that to a capacity, what with Alex being a member here, and the IDW crew.

I was skeptical of Nick in the beginning, but now I agree wholly with Powder. :D

[Abnormal Freak]

With all the developments we're seeing (which appear to all be covered in the initial post), I'm happy Laird sold the property. The future for TMNT is looking goooooood—which is the opposite of how I felt when Nickelodeon bought the rights.

[sdp]

In the short run? Of course. In the long run? Who knows.

[Galactus]

In a lot of ways yes, it's probably the best thing to ever happen to the franchise. There's definitely a lot of good stuff coming like the widespread collections and the IDW series that we wouldn't have gotten otherwise.

However in a few (and in my opinion fairly important) ways no.

TMNT was dead in the water at the end of 2009 if Peter hadn't sold to someone, be it Nickelodeon or another entity.

Mostly yes. They did have a movie deal in place which I'd say is a fairly big deal.

Movies with low budgets and declining quality (yes, I know TMNT has a 54 mil budget, but it was used for a toon rather than trying another live action flick) and was typically distributed by smaller, independent studios.

There was a live action movie on the way.

A cartoon series which was getting cancelled, apparently from lack of interest and funding from the two main backers (Mirage and Playmates).

I find this attitude somewhat confusing. Did people expect the show to last forever? It did well but it'd run it's course and was outstaying it's welcome. Even from a creative standpoint there was nowhere left to go. Everything that mattered was wrapped up. Those that wanted it to go on and on should be grateful that Mirage helped fund it towards the end.

In my opinion having no cartoon is better than having a crap one. Let's just say from what we've heard I'm looking at the upcoming one with a cynical eye.

Video games that were disappointing when compared to previous outings

I doubt that's going to change much. I just don't think genre made a good jump to 3D. Unless they go retro and go back 2D but even then we're talking about games for little kids.

Our hope for a good game will come if they make one of the upcoming movie or one is if they think outside the box and make a game specificaly for an older audience like Arkham Asylum.

[Donnie]

The worst thing about Nick buying TMNT is that we'll never get our "dark" TMNT gritty Mirage style movie. Well, we sort of have it with the first movie, but I think it could be done darker. We would have had it with the producers of 300 assigned to the project like was planned at the time of the 25th Anniversary Shellabration in NYC.

The best things about Nick buying TMNT would be the new comic, new show, new figures, and although the movie won't be as dark as I would like, at least we'll get one in the first place.

We just have to wait to see what Nick really does here.

[Kendamu]

At the time that it happened, I was kinda of worried. Actually, it was more of a "cautiously optimistic" outlook than anything.

Now, knowing what was going on behind the scenes at the time, I would say this was the best move even if I didn't know any details about the new show, movie, toys, or comics.

[CyberCubed]

I can only hope the writing of the new cartoon turns out good. I'd like to see a show that has the best combination of elements from the previous two cartoons, as well as new stuff never seen before.

[Abnormal Freak]

The worst thing about Nick buying TMNT is that we'll never get our "dark" TMNT gritty Mirage style movie.

I doubt we would have gotten that under Mirage, to be honest. The possibility of that died with the death of the Hallmark two-parter, in my opinion. Which is really, really sad...

[Buslady]

i dont know as far as the comics..but...


as for this new series


HELL NO!

:tmad::tmad::tmad::tmad:

[Powder]

i dont know as far as the comics..but...


as for this new series


HELL NO!

:tmad::tmad::tmad::tmad:

Why do you feel this way?

[sdp]

I think a "dark/adult" interpretation of the turtles outside of comics is no less likely with Nick than it was with Mirage. Sure Mirage would have gone for it but they didn't have the money to do it and weren't able to do it in the 25 years they had the franchise. Viacom on the other hand has taken properties from the kids network like Ren & Stimpy and given them an adult take after realizing there was a market for that. I'm not saying Viacom is going to do that with the turtles but I don't necessarily feel that its less likely now that Nick has it, chances are about the same I think.

[d_osborn]

i'm just hoping that all of this sparks off another blu-ray release of the 1990 film with decent supplemental materials. fingers crossed...

[Abnormal Freak]

Hopefully, if Steve Barron wants to, Viacom will allow him to do a director's cut. :) Reinsert omitted scenes and take out the really bad, obvious censorship dubbing like, "Get her purse! She's got a watch!" and "*COUGH COUGH COUGH* You'll be all right" despite being able to see the dude on the floor is not breathing or moving his mouth.

[CyberCubed]

Since Shout! Factory releases DVDs of a lot of cartoons and Nick properties, I think Nick would leave it to them to release proper DVD sets of the 4kids series.

I am at least happy Nick isn't preventing Lionsgate from releasing the original cartoon DVDs, which could have been a problem.

[lethrhd]

am i the only one who thinks the cgi character models seem 2 stiff? from what ive seen they wont be expressive enough. really bummed they didnt go with traditional animation. So from that perspective nick went in the wrong direction imo.

[Jester]

It resuscitated the franchise so a thousand times yes!

[CyberCubed]

I am glad the Turtles were brought back so quickly.

Tales just ended in 2010, and now in 2011 we already have new comics.

The 4kids series ended in 2009, and in 2012 only 3 years later is a new show.


The only thing we have to wait a long time for is the new movie, if that ever comes together.

[Archon_Turtle]

I am all for doing whatever it takes to perpetuate the property. So yes.

[Spitfire]

I've seen nothing yet that can allow me to make that call. Until I've read the first year of comics and seen the first season of the series I won't be deciding on how good of a move it was.

[ToTheNines]

I am glad the Turtles were brought back so quickly.

Tales just ended in 2010, and now in 2011 we already have new comics.

The 4kids series ended in 2009, and in 2012 only 3 years later is a new show.


The only thing we have to wait a long time for is the new movie, if that ever comes together.

Interesting to look at the parallels of the two TMNT "deaths"...

- Image comics ended in October 1999, and we had volume 4 in December 2001.

- The Next Mutation quit airing sometime in 98 I think, then the 4kids show started in early 2003.

- But the 3rd and 4th movies were 14 years apart.

So for both different periods, the comics don't stay dead long, the cartoon comes a couple years after, and the movies trudge along like a snail before finally being made.

[Powder]

I am glad the Turtles were brought back so quickly.

Tales just ended in 2010, and now in 2011 we already have new comics.

The 4kids series ended in 2009, and in 2012 only 3 years later is a new show.


The only thing we have to wait a long time for is the new movie, if that ever comes together.

Yeah dude, we got hella lucky this time around. Already have 3 potential new "versions" of the turtles.

[ToTheNines]

Yeah dude, we got hella lucky this time around. Already have 3 potential new "versions" of the turtles.

Two for sure, hopefully the movie is it's own thing and not in the Nick-verse or a legit sequel to Ninja Turtles III. Then maybe the Nickelodeon tie-in comic will be a whole new universe (like Adventures was to the OT), but it could go hand in hand with the story line of the show (like the current Young Justice comic).

Then there's video games, toys, maybe some throw-back comic specials that take place in the Mirage universe or other familiar places, those books Andrew has in the works... Exciting times :D

[CyberCubed]

Well the toys and videogame tie-ins I usually include with the new cartoon. Since obviously any new games and toys we get at this point will be based on the cartoon, besides Playmates classic line.

It makes sense that it takes a while for a movie to get off the ground anyway. I mean look at the competition from other comic book movies, or Transformers and Harry Potter.....TMNT really stands no chance unless they put effort into it.

[Bjarni]

I'm happy with everything that has happened thus far. The best thing that could have happened to keep the franchise alive unfortunately.

[pannoni1]

This move by Nick was part of the reason for my reinterest in the Turtles. However, I'd say competition from other franchises will be the X-factor in terms of how successful this new wave will turn out. Since young kids like to watch Nick and the kids who grew up watching the MWS series are starting to or will soon have their own children, and they will buy toys for them if it is done right, making this a multigenerational demographic, which means their is potential to rival the original wave of popularity. Given that Spongebob RERUNS are often among the highest rated shows, Nick can do that to TMNT with its popularity sustaining through the reruns in between the seasons.

I'm so excited for this new era and hope it's fantasticmondo! :tgrin:

[cryan]

No Doubt.I am happy too that the guys are going to get a reboot.I think the CGI models are very good.They look so adorable:D.The 4K version was pretty good for what it was.The ony thing is that with the y2k3 version I would have killed to see Mona Lisa in that animation style but what can ya do.

[ninjafowlkes8705]

A lot of people were skeptical of what a non-Mirage owned TMNT franchise would turn out like, but it's turning out for the best. Perhaps TMNT being owned by a new group of people was the best thing to happen.

Because of Nick we got:

1. Brand new adult themed comic from IDW in full color.

2. IDW will start reprints of old comics.

3. The new cartoon sounds promising, mixing new ideas with old. Only thing that might hold it back is childish writing.

4. Playmates new toys are apparently better than ever before according to people who saw them.

5. A new movie is still being worked on.

6. Kevin Eastman is working on the turtles again.


The only thing Nick has to do otherwise is release proper boxsets of the 4kids series and Turtles Forever uncut in the U.S.

And if all this new turtle stuff motivates PL to finish Volume 4 than that is icing on the cake.

I am glad to see the third generation of TMNT off to a promising start.

think the new cartoon going to be kind of bizzar

[herugrim]

Given that the alternatives were Disney or Cartoon Network, I think Nick was the better choice. I'm glad that the series is staying alive but I'm not sure what to think of the new series. Love Triangles and younger characters sounds too much like a tweener drama to me, and I'm not crazy about the art style either. Doesn't help that Transformers Prime killed that franchise for me by taking much of the same directions this one appears to.

But the comics seem promising. Now they just need to make a serious attempt at the games and I'll at least have something to look forward to.

[junkboy]

If was a bit mad when i learned it was purchased by Nick but if it was not purchased, probably it was goign to stay dead for a long time ( at some point some company would revive it for sure tho )

I do not have any expectations for the Nick animated series ( to please me ) and to be honest i do not have any ( high) expectations for the upcoming live action movie.
In one recent interview McFarlane was saying he was going to make a new Spawn movie by his and McFarlane Production's tries... not Hollywood(-crap)
I prefer such a thing much more than the upcoming Hollywood TMNT.

As for the Playmates, i have never liked the figures ( i had more than a few when i was a child, really loved them then cause they were all i had, but after years as my collection of action figures grew they seemed indeed poor )

So the only action figure news that will please me at this moment is NECA going on the line ( which probably will never happen )
I love NECA's turtles even more than Sideshow's statues.

If IDW goes on to print the old stuff till the end ( or till a point that can satisfy the fans ) that will be great.

The only point that relates me is the new IDW comic and IDW's reprint strategy to be honest. I guess i am excited in a minimal way for the new animated series and the movie.

[Andrew NDB]

- But the 3rd and 4th movies were 14 years apart.

14 years of Kevin and/or Peter rejecting horrible scripts until Peter finally approved one mostly-terrible script.

[Leo656]

After seeing the new Thundercats, I would love if TMNT were on Cartoon Network. I'm pretty sure it'd be better than the Nick show is gonna be, but that only covers the cartoons and not the comics.

So like most people, I guess I fall under "We'll see, something's better than nothing."

[herugrim]

After seeing the new Thundercats, I would love if TMNT were on Cartoon Network. I'm pretty sure it'd be better than the Nick show is gonna be, but that only covers the cartoons and not the comics.

So like most people, I guess I fall under "We'll see, something's better than nothing."

True that Thundercats seems good, but did you see what CN did to Transformers? They certainly aren't consistently good.

Also Nick did Avatar, they can be just as capable of producing an excellent series. But like you said, only time will really tell.