Would you say Nick buying TMNT from Mirage was the best move for the series?

[CyberCubed]

A lot of people were skeptical of what a non-Mirage owned TMNT franchise would turn out like, but it's turning out for the best. Perhaps TMNT being owned by a new group of people was the best thing to happen.

Because of Nick we got:

1. Brand new adult themed comic from IDW in full color.

2. IDW will start reprints of old comics.

3. The new cartoon sounds promising, mixing new ideas with old. Only thing that might hold it back is childish writing.

4. Playmates new toys are apparently better than ever before according to people who saw them.

5. A new movie is still being worked on.

6. Kevin Eastman is working on the turtles again.


The only thing Nick has to do otherwise is release proper boxsets of the 4kids series and Turtles Forever uncut in the U.S.

And if all this new turtle stuff motivates PL to finish Volume 4 than that is icing on the cake.

I am glad to see the third generation of TMNT off to a promising start.

[Powder]

The series as a whole? Definitely. I need not explain why 'cause you've got it covered.
I had slight skepticism in the beginning but I felt pretty confident we'd get good stuff after a while.
Matter of fact, I underestimated Nick, they're seemingly throwing awesome at us from all directions.

[Master Splinter]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

A lot of people were skeptical of what a non-Mirage owned TMNT franchise would turn out like, but it's turning out for the best. Perhaps TMNT being owned by a new group of people was the best thing to happen.

Because of Nick we got:

1. Brand new adult themed comic from IDW in full color.

2. IDW will start reprints of old comics.

3. The new cartoon sounds promising, mixing new ideas with old. Only thing that might hold it back is childish writing.

4. Playmates new toys are apparently better than ever before according to people who saw them.

5. A new movie is still being worked on.

6. Kevin Eastman is working on the turtles again.


The only thing Nick has to do otherwise is release proper boxsets of the 4kids series and Turtles Forever uncut in the U.S.

And if all this new turtle stuff motivates PL to finish Volume 4 than that is icing on the cake.

I am glad to see the third generation of TMNT off to a promising start.

You have hit the nail pretty much on the head with each point. I think it has been for the better. I am certainly happy that Peter retained some rights so he can continue if he pleases, but it is great that many great new artists can take the property to the next level.

-ms

[gobo]

Considering there wouldn't even be a Nick series had they not bought it, I'd say it was a good move. However, I think TMNT flourished better in the modest hands of small-timers.

[Zog the Equalizer]

I remember the day I heard the news. At first I was worried and then as I thought about it I was really happy it happened because it pretty much breathed new life into the franchise on every front.

[Roseangelo]

TMNT was dead in the water at the end of 2009 if Peter hadn't sold to someone, be it Nickelodeon or another entity.

[Venom]

Originally Posted by gobo

Considering there wouldn't even be a Nick series had they not bought it, I'd say it was a good move. However, I think TMNT flourished better in the modest hands of small-timers.

Hmm, let's do a quick run down:

- Movies with low budgets and declining quality (yes, I know TMNT has a 54 mil budget, but it was used for a toon rather than trying another live action flick) and was typically distributed by smaller, independent studios.
- A cartoon series which was getting cancelled, apparently from lack of interest and funding from the two main backers (Mirage and Playmates).
- A toy line that was a shell of its former self, using tired ideas and lackluster detail/articulation.
- Video games that were disappointing when compared to previous outings
- The comic series withered away to only a mere percent of what it sold in its heyday, becoming a vanity project for Peter.

The biggest attraction of Mirage owning the Turtles was the access we had directly with those who had a hand in the franchise. With Nick owning them, we still have that to a capacity, what with Alex being a member here, and the IDW crew.

I was skeptical of Nick in the beginning, but now I agree wholly with Powder.

[Abnormal Freak]

With all the developments we're seeing (which appear to all be covered in the initial post), I'm happy Laird sold the property. The future for TMNT is looking goooooood—which is the opposite of how I felt when Nickelodeon bought the rights.

[sdp]

In the short run? Of course. In the long run? Who knows.

[Galactus]

In a lot of ways yes, it's probably the best thing to ever happen to the franchise. There's definitely a lot of good stuff coming like the widespread collections and the IDW series that we wouldn't have gotten otherwise.

However in a few (and in my opinion fairly important) ways no.

TMNT was dead in the water at the end of 2009 if Peter hadn't sold to someone, be it Nickelodeon or another entity.

Mostly yes. They did have a movie deal in place which I'd say is a fairly big deal.

Movies with low budgets and declining quality (yes, I know TMNT has a 54 mil budget, but it was used for a toon rather than trying another live action flick) and was typically distributed by smaller, independent studios.

There was a live action movie on the way.

A cartoon series which was getting cancelled, apparently from lack of interest and funding from the two main backers (Mirage and Playmates).

I find this attitude somewhat confusing. Did people expect the show to last forever? It did well but it'd run it's course and was outstaying it's welcome. Even from a creative standpoint there was nowhere left to go. Everything that mattered was wrapped up. Those that wanted it to go on and on should be grateful that Mirage helped fund it towards the end.

In my opinion having no cartoon is better than having a crap one. Let's just say from what we've heard I'm looking at the upcoming one with a cynical eye.

Video games that were disappointing when compared to previous outings

I doubt that's going to change much. I just don't think genre made a good jump to 3D. Unless they go retro and go back 2D but even then we're talking about games for little kids.

Our hope for a good game will come if they make one of the upcoming movie or one is if they think outside the box and make a game specificaly for an older audience like Arkham Asylum.

[Donnie]

The worst thing about Nick buying TMNT is that we'll never get our "dark" TMNT gritty Mirage style movie. Well, we sort of have it with the first movie, but I think it could be done darker. We would have had it with the producers of 300 assigned to the project like was planned at the time of the 25th Anniversary Shellabration in NYC.

The best things about Nick buying TMNT would be the new comic, new show, new figures, and although the movie won't be as dark as I would like, at least we'll get one in the first place.

We just have to wait to see what Nick really does here.

[Kendamu]

At the time that it happened, I was kinda of worried. Actually, it was more of a "cautiously optimistic" outlook than anything.

Now, knowing what was going on behind the scenes at the time, I would say this was the best move even if I didn't know any details about the new show, movie, toys, or comics.

[CyberCubed]

I can only hope the writing of the new cartoon turns out good. I'd like to see a show that has the best combination of elements from the previous two cartoons, as well as new stuff never seen before.

[Abnormal Freak]

Originally Posted by DonnyTMNT

The worst thing about Nick buying TMNT is that we'll never get our "dark" TMNT gritty Mirage style movie.

I doubt we would have gotten that under Mirage, to be honest. The possibility of that died with the death of the Hallmark two-parter, in my opinion. Which is really, really sad...

[Buslady]

i dont know as far as the comics..but...


as for this new series


HELL NO!

[Powder]

Originally Posted by Buslady

i dont know as far as the comics..but...


as for this new series


HELL NO!

Why do you feel this way?

[sdp]

I think a "dark/adult" interpretation of the turtles outside of comics is no less likely with Nick than it was with Mirage. Sure Mirage would have gone for it but they didn't have the money to do it and weren't able to do it in the 25 years they had the franchise. Viacom on the other hand has taken properties from the kids network like Ren & Stimpy and given them an adult take after realizing there was a market for that. I'm not saying Viacom is going to do that with the turtles but I don't necessarily feel that its less likely now that Nick has it, chances are about the same I think.

[d_osborn]

i'm just hoping that all of this sparks off another blu-ray release of the 1990 film with decent supplemental materials. fingers crossed...

[Abnormal Freak]

Hopefully, if Steve Barron wants to, Viacom will allow him to do a director's cut. Reinsert omitted scenes and take out the really bad, obvious censorship dubbing like, "Get her purse! She's got a watch!" and "*COUGH COUGH COUGH* You'll be all right" despite being able to see the dude on the floor is not breathing or moving his mouth.

[CyberCubed]

Since Shout! Factory releases DVDs of a lot of cartoons and Nick properties, I think Nick would leave it to them to release proper DVD sets of the 4kids series.

I am at least happy Nick isn't preventing Lionsgate from releasing the original cartoon DVDs, which could have been a problem.