View Full Version : Are we really this bad?
Jester
10-14-2011, 08:05 AM
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I mean...is the fandom really this off putting?
BubblyShell22
10-14-2011, 08:07 AM
No, I wouldn't say that. I think the person who made this video is just not a fan of TMNT and has decided to find fault with it in any way they can. I wouldn't be bothered by it, Jester.
Jester
10-14-2011, 08:13 AM
Um...he did a series of videos comparing and contrasting the Fred Wolf characters and their 4Kids counterparts, his credentials are legit. I'm not really bummed, save for the fact that that's how we look from the outside looking in.
Bauer536
10-14-2011, 08:43 AM
I kind of agree with this critic. I don't like fanfiction where they have turtles commiting suicide, raping, or doing anything inappropriate. If it's something nice like "Nothing to Fear" or the "High School Dream," I don't mind. But it's something like the MNT Gaiden that bothers me.
I think I know why some people don't like the 2k3 series. There might be some die hard Mirage TMNT fans that didn't like the adaptation 4Kids made. I mean, I love the comics, and I feel the 2k3 series fails to meet with most of the issues accurately. 2k3's City at War does not remind me of Mirage's City at War back in the 90's. Sometimes, adaptations are better left original. Sometimes, you can't adapt a comic book volume or issue to make an animated movie or show because comic book fans may find it horrible. I bet some people didn't like "Superman: Doomsday," but loved the comic issue.
Dirty Blond
10-14-2011, 08:49 AM
Something tells me he has an account here, though!
Slap-Happy
10-14-2011, 09:20 AM
Something tells me he has an account here, though!
Is anyone on this board really as militant as he says the people he's encountered are?
Someone's residing on the unsavory outskirts of the fandom. >_<
Jester
10-14-2011, 09:30 AM
I know he's not a member here....or wasn't a while back when I recommended the place to him...
Did you misspell "a-hole"? ^_^
Jester
10-14-2011, 10:07 AM
I was debating doing this, but I gotta. There is a huge difference between Turtle-cest fanfiction/art and MNT: Gaiden. That fan comic is miles above any of that garbage.
Bauer536
10-14-2011, 10:20 AM
I was debating doing this, but I gotta. There is a huge difference between Turtle-cest fanfiction/art and MNT: Gaiden. That fan comic is miles above any of that garbage.
Then let's agree to disagree.:tsmile: I guess I don't like emo and dirty material that much. TMNT swearing does not flatter me. If you like it, go ahead. I'm just hoping everything is all a dream by the end of that issue.
But enough of that: the new toon on Nick, some fans will like it, some will not. I bet there are die hard Superman fans that hated Smallville or Lois and Clark.
pannoni1
10-14-2011, 10:42 AM
It just shows a lack of respect and courtesy. For instance, I enjoyed that long old TMNT vs. new TMNT comparison; it was fair and unbiased. And all people have to do on that video is to press the dislike button to prove that the video is just a poor example showing the fandom. I would prefer to have fans not only get along with one another, but also to attempt to persuade strangers why you enjoy the Turtles and why they make like them.
plastroncafe
10-14-2011, 12:41 PM
HAHA! This is hilarious!
When ever someone says something along the lines of, "I have never met a person I could get along with," what they're really saying is, "I'm unpleasant to be around." The one common denominator this guys has with every turtle fan he's ever met...is him. And he's blaming fandom for that?
That's just beautiful.
I got about two minutes in and then stop. Anytime some comic geek tries to lump all women into the Fangirl Mold they've lost my attention.
Bite me, fanboy.
Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
10-14-2011, 12:58 PM
I kind of agree with this critic. I don't like fanfiction where they have turtles commiting suicide, raping, or doing anything inappropriate. If it's something nice like "Nothing to Fear" or the "High School Dream," I don't mind. But it's something like the MNT Gaiden that bothers me.
I think I know why some people don't like the 2k3 series. There might be some die hard Mirage TMNT fans that didn't like the adaptation 4Kids made. I mean, I love the comics, and I feel the 2k3 series fails to meet with most of the issues accurately. 2k3's City at War does not remind me of Mirage's City at War back in the 90's. Sometimes, adaptations are better left original. Sometimes, you can't adapt a comic book volume or issue to make an animated movie or show because comic book fans may find it horrible. I bet some people didn't like "Superman: Doomsday," but loved the comic issue.
But fanfiction is work that lets the creater do waht the want with the characters.
plastroncafe
10-14-2011, 01:11 PM
Basically what Bauer is saying, and please correct me if I'm wrong here, is that people shouldn't be able to play with their toys how they want to. They should only play with their toys the way other people want them to. And if they don't, they're perverts/wrong/bad.
Here, someone wrote a nice song about it:
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TMNT swearing does not flatter me.
The original creators had them swear on occasion before. Having Raph yell "damn" three times and "bitchin'" at the end of the first movie should be enough to prove that. He's said the s-woid at least a couple times in the Mirage comic.
Redeemer
10-14-2011, 01:27 PM
Truthfully I am a little bothered by this. He is seriously bashing the fandom as a whole????? wow..... He is right to a point, but to make it sound as if he is the only one who is a "Normal fan" is ridiculous.... Also we "Tdrome" dont fight over tmnt really, at least to his definition. The only person that I know that doesnt want to do anything with the 2K3 or OT is Andrew and he polite and respectful about. "Correct me if I am wrong"
I hope this isnt talkn about us on the drome ecspecially.
I keep thinking about the fact that his reviews are spot on. However, that doesn't make up for the fact that he's a tool for acting like all fans are alike. What superhuman feature makes him exempt from his own rules? O_o
Redeemer
10-14-2011, 01:51 PM
What superhuman feature makes him exempt from his own rules? O_o
His super-human ego!:lol:
Lets not forget his side kick Douche bag:P
I jst hope he gets to meet some "normal" TMNT fans that he so desires
Stingray69
10-14-2011, 02:46 PM
This guy sounds like a bag of douche. I have never came arcross any hostilty between tmnt fans. If this guy want to see some fighting join a car forum and read the fights between the domestic and import car guys.
Powder
10-14-2011, 02:53 PM
I think in regards to certain levels of being a fan, what he presents is a slightly exaggerated truth.
Spitfire
10-14-2011, 03:36 PM
The fact this person had the free time to make 5 videos about this, and I use the term video loosely, speaks a lot to the kind of person they are. Which is a dildo with too much free time. "I'm a fan but I'm above hardcore fans" is a hilarious coping mechanism. This is probably the same guy who came on here a few years back asking for Leatherhead on April porn.
This is probably the same guy who came on here a few years back asking for Leatherhead on April porn.
:teek: How did I ever miss something like that? :lol:
Jester
10-14-2011, 04:48 PM
How could I not have kept missing it....
Logan
10-14-2011, 06:21 PM
To answer the question of this topic; no. Everything that has a fan base will have people with a stick up their butt (I can think of a few on here, if I may be frank). Star Wars, Star Trek, Batman, Alien, Blade Runner... the list goes on. But these people are a very small minority and really aren't worth anyone's time. Don't feed the trolls, as the saying goes.
Samhain
10-14-2011, 06:46 PM
To answer the question of this topic; no. Everything that has a fan base will have people with a stick up their butt (I can think of a few on here, if I may be frank). Star Wars, Star Trek, Batman, Alien, Blade Runner... the list goes on. But these people are a very small minority and really aren't worth anyone's time. Don't feed the trolls, as the saying goes.
THIS.
Every fandom has it. But it shouldn't ruin the good name of an entire fandom just because you don't like what some people like to do with it. I have made many friendships on this forum and I don't let some of the buttards on here ruin anything for me. Keep strong and carry on.
ToTheNines
10-14-2011, 07:08 PM
This guy's a prick. Yeah, there's turtle-cest odd balls out there, but they're definitely not so common that their existence warrants a "rant video".
Powder
10-14-2011, 07:32 PM
This guy's a prick. Yeah, there's turtle-cest odd balls out there, but they're definitely not so common that their existence warrants a "rant video".
Well, they are in the community of creation. Sites for fan art (deviantart, for example) is riddled with it. I'm sure the same could be said for writers.
Machias Banshee
10-14-2011, 07:36 PM
Deviantart is chuck full of the stuff. You either have some sort of cest/smut works, or you have some weird kind of anime chibi turtles getting dressed up as food or women. Yet It's also very heavy in the Transformers fandom as well.
I think it's just one of those 'standards' of fandoms. Ultra violent/super smutty/incest/overly cutesy/fangirl-boy insertions... :ohwell:
Tuxedo Moroboshi
10-14-2011, 07:39 PM
Honestly? I think this guy made some very good points. Granted, he sort of generalized the fandom a bit, but I'm more than certain that most of who he's talking about are people he's come across on YouTube (and YouTube is full of pricks).
The starting rant about yaoi fanfiction from female fans and whatnot may turn you off to what he has to say, but if you listen to the whole thing, you'll realize he makes a lot of good points. Does his video describe ALL of us? Certainly not. I think he made some very good points, but his only fault is how he generalized the entire fandom, when really, he's only describing a portion of it which he's been unfortunate enough to constantly encounter.
Slap-Happy
10-14-2011, 07:40 PM
I can't stand half of the turtles stuff I see on DA.
We either have really cool peices of art, or turtlecest, Mary sue, etc.
I find all of the "Mary Sue" characters to be extremely dumb. Whenever I see one I almost let out an audible "Ughh...". It just baffles me. Why would ANYONE want to be in a relationship with a f*cking turtle?
insertions... :ohwell:
Watch your mouth! :x
I find all of the "Mary Sue" characters to be extremely dumb. Whenever I see one I almost let out an audible "Ughh...". It just baffles me. Why would ANYONE want to be in a relationship with a f*cking turtle?
:blanksta: You using an alternate definition of "Mary-Sue" than what I'm familliar with? O_o Sure does seem like it.
Dirty Blond
10-14-2011, 08:18 PM
At the end of one of his TMNT comparison videos, he displayed a fan-made racked-out April O'Neil. Cleavage for days.
I'm sure he had a good reason for doing so.
Slap-Happy
10-14-2011, 09:38 PM
:blanksta: You using an alternate definition of "Mary-Sue" than what I'm familliar with? O_o Sure does seem like it.
From Wikipedia:
"A Mary Sue (sometimes just Sue), in literary criticism and particularly in fanfiction, is a fictional character with overly idealized and hackneyed mannerisms, lacking noteworthy flaws, and primarily functioning as a wish-fulfillment fantasy for the author or reader."
Redeemer
10-14-2011, 10:04 PM
Glad I stay away from deviant art:P
Its really unfortunate are fandom doesnt get the respect it deserves...
DrSpengler
10-14-2011, 10:08 PM
Honestly, I think the guy had some good points and many I sympathize with... but his mistake was generalizing an entire fanbase by those stereotypes.
His observations definately apply to a good number of individuals in this fandom, whom I find just as loathsome as he does, but it's a fallacy to think we all behave that way.
plastroncafe
10-15-2011, 08:44 AM
Deviantart is chuck full of the stuff. You either have some sort of cest/smut works, or you have some weird kind of anime chibi turtles getting dressed up as food or women. Yet It's also very heavy in the Transformers fandom as well.
I think it's just one of those 'standards' of fandoms. Ultra violent/super smutty/incest/overly cutesy/fangirl-boy insertions... :ohwell:
It shouldn't come as a complete surprise that stuff is prevalent there. I mean, it is called Deviant Art afterall.
I'm sure he does make some valid points. Even broken clocks are right twice a day. However, if he's interested in making friends and positively influencing people this guy needs to get out of his mom's basement, shave his neckbeard, and learn how to talk like a grown up.
(He's not the only one who can sling broad-based negative stereotypes.)
Jester
10-15-2011, 09:06 AM
Honestly, I think the guy had some good points and many I sympathize with... but his mistake was generalizing an entire fanbase by those stereotypes.
His observations definitely apply to a good number of individuals in this fandom, whom I find just as loathsome as he does, but it's a fallacy to think we all behave that way.
I agree with the Doc and my fellow professional clown. The good points seem buried under the rampant generalization of the TMNT fanbase as a whole. I mean, he is certainly not the only fan who finds Turtle-sest fan "works" distasteful. Don't we have former members who were banned for such crap, FGS.
Mandi-chan
10-15-2011, 10:21 AM
I think the guy who did this video made a few good/valid points, I used to be guilty of a couple of things he ranted about: having once written an awful fanfic featuring an unintentional Mary-Sue, and also being a bit of a hot-head in my defense of loving the new toon and disliking the old one...
The thing is, I grew out of it and am honestly embarrassed by my ugly fangirlisms from a few years ago. I'm sure I'm not the only one here who's gone through that.
Honestly though, the stuff he complains about in this video is something that I don't really see around here anymore (although, to be fair I've been more of a lurker here over the last couple of years than an active member...but you'd think, as a lurker, that the negative qualities of a fandom would be more noticable).
Cowabunga Carl
10-15-2011, 11:39 AM
I too read more then I post. From time to time people have disagreements but most of the time it comes down to agreeing to disagree. I haven't seen much of the things he described here on the Tdorm.
ZariusTwo
10-15-2011, 11:46 AM
Heh, I wonder how he stumbles on all of that fanfiction and fanart, curious mind much?:P
He made valid points, I remember when the T-Drome was just as guilty of the behaviour he's talking about (usually all the bile was directed at Volume Four and Laird for reasons ranging from the delays to his politics, and then there was the endless flame wars over the quality of the last few seasons of the 2003 series), but things have settled since then, though that's ONLY because there's no TMNT on television. Time will tell if old habits will pick up again...
Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
10-15-2011, 12:46 PM
This guy sounds like a bag of douche. I have never came arcross any hostilty between tmnt fans. If this guy want to see some fighting join a car forum and read the fights between the domestic and import car guys.
Would like to see some example. :)
Mandi-chan
10-15-2011, 06:22 PM
...but things have settled since then, though that's ONLY because there's no TMNT on television. Time will tell if old habits will pick up again...
We'll probably be at each other's throats again once the Nick show starts up! :lol:
Like someone else said though, clashing of opinions happens in a lot of fandoms (some can be very mean-spirited, to a level far worse than anything that went down here in this board's more active years). You can either dive in, or just avoid the not-so-nice crowds. That's what I've learned to do. Getting into fights just isn't worth it.
Jephael
10-15-2011, 07:22 PM
I'll never understand why certain people get so damn worked up over a bunch of fictional characters. I mean honestly, does it really matter which iteration of the TMNT came first or which one is more "true to life"? No, it doesn't. It's F#*%ING MAKE BELIEVE!!!
ToTheNines
10-15-2011, 07:29 PM
It would appear that you're the one who is worked up.
Katie
10-15-2011, 07:32 PM
I used to go to other forums and the Technodrome was always held up as the land of rabid fangirls and way too obsessed people.
I figure the mellowing of the 'drome is due to attrition through bans and anger of the scary obsessed fans and people just plain growing up. Things look different at 19 than they do at 25 y'know?
Logan
10-15-2011, 07:58 PM
I figure the mellowing of the 'drome is due to attrition through bans and anger of the scary obsessed fans and people just plain growing up. Things look different at 19 than they do at 25 y'know?
I wouldn't know. I wasn't on here at 19 and I'm not quite 24 yet.
But in all seriousness, this is probably one of the best forums I've been a member on. There's maybe two or three people that rub me the wrong way but they don't seem to post much on here, anyway, thankfully. The Turtles fanbase, from my experience here, seems to have most of their marbles compared to the others I've belonged to.
Brodie
10-15-2011, 07:59 PM
He brings up some good points, in particular--the part where he goes "YEEEEEEEEESH."
Spot on.
Dirty Blond
10-15-2011, 11:15 PM
I know he's not a member here....or wasn't a while back when I recommended the place to him...
If he were, he'd be trolled to death!
:tlol:
you'd think, as a lurker, that the negative qualities of a fandom would be more noticable
And, you'd be right about that. Observing from afar keeps you unbiased.
does it really matter which iteration of the TMNT came first
You're damn right, it does. Try to argue that Z comes before A in the alphabet, and you can be guaranteed a world-class flaming.
Jephael
10-16-2011, 05:03 PM
It would appear that you're the one who is worked up.
I was actually upset about something else, but I decided to use that emotion to express my feelings here.
Falconhood
10-16-2011, 09:36 PM
there's sexual cartoons of the TMNT???:teek:
Samhain
10-16-2011, 09:40 PM
there's sexual cartoons of the TMNT???:teek:
Oh man....
plastroncafe
10-16-2011, 09:55 PM
there's sexual cartoons of the TMNT???:teek:
Rule 34. (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Rule%2034)
Falconhood
10-17-2011, 05:49 AM
Generally accepted internet rule that states that pornography or sexually related material exists for any conceivable subject. ..
my brain can't accept that.
I'm going to go back to pretending that everything is sunshine and Brady Bunch.
I can't even imagine why anyone would think TMNT are sexy.
Not saying it's not true, just saying my brain can't accept it.
lethrhd
11-03-2011, 06:37 PM
this hasnt been my expierence...
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