Will Nick use Bebop and Rocksteady?

[CyberCubed]

Given they have appeared in their human forms in the IDW series, with the strong indication that they will be mutated, do you think we'll see them in cartoon?

[Jester]

Maybe .

[TurtleTitan97]

I suppose if eastman can bring them into the comics then they can bring them into the cartoon updated.

[Chris]

I'd be amazed if they didn't use them. They're two of the TMNT's best known and most popular villains.

[CyberCubed]

I'd be amazed if they didn't use them. They're two of the TMNT's best known and most popular villains.

And yet they're not using Krang, just a species based on him called The Kraang.

I am hoping Krang shows up as their leader later on.

[Zany Orange Dude]

That's a good question? I wouldn't think so, but hey, you never know.

[sdp]

And yet they're not using Krang, just a species based on him called The Kraang.

I am hoping Krang shows up as their leader later on.

This.

I'm not 100% certain they'll show up after all since they aren't using Krang, I do hope we eventually get Krang. Heck since The Kraang are using Utrom suits we might not even see Utroms in this series..

[TurtleTitan97]

This.

I'm not 100% certain they'll show up after all since they aren't using Krang, I do hope we eventually get Krang. Heck since The Kraang are using Utrom suits we might not even see Utroms in this series..

The Kraang are this show's version of the Utroms.

[Andrew NDB]

Given they have appeared in their human forms in the IDW series, with the strong indication that they will be mutated, do you think we'll see them in cartoon?

100% guaranteed.

[Ashangelo]

I hope not. I may be the minority, but I never cared for Bebop and Rocksteady. They just irritated me more than anything.

[Logan]

I hope they're brought on board. Just not as dumb as they were on the OT.

[pannoni1]

Give how their classic figures still sell, I'd see no reason not to bring them back, perhaps even as the leaders of the Purple Dragons if that is used. I'm not the producer or writer however, so we'll just have to wait and see. And since this show is aimed at 4 and up, I wouldn't be surprised if they get stupid once in awhile, which I don't mind as long as it doesn't go over the top.

[BubblyShell22]

I don't mind if they use Bebop and Rocksteady. I just hope they don't get too dumb. I always thought Hun would be like a Bebop and Rocksteady clone, but he turned out to be tougher than I thought he'd be and made a good villain.

[Stingray69]

I hope so, id really love to see them again.

[ssjup81]

I hope they're brought on board. Just not as dumb as they were on the OT.Yeah, like how they were when the OT series started. Those two weren't that dumb and super strong and they weren't afraid of Shredder or Krang. In other words, they were actual threats and the turtles had to use their skill to defeat them early on as opposed to outsmarting them since they lacked a lot of intelligence later on.

[Redeemer]

Given they have appeared in their human forms in the IDW series, with the strong indication that they will be mutated, do you think we'll see them in cartoon?

One can only hope, but in all honesty I doubt they will

[Andrew NDB]

One can only hope, but in all honesty I doubt they will

No reason to doubt it for a second. Just a question of When they will appear and how "edgy" Nick will make them.

[Uki]

I hope so! I miss those guys. I'm thrilled they've shown up in IDW. :)

[Andrew NDB]

It's a repackaging/repurposing of the Fred Wolf series... they belong here.

[Konchadunga]

It's a little too early to tell that, in my opinion. So far, the only tangible connections to the Original Toon are the Kraang, and Rob Paulsen. Still, the revelation that mutation will play a large role is good evidence that Bebop and Rocksteady will be brought back.

[CyberCubed]

It's a repackaging/repurposing of the Fred Wolf series... they belong here.

So you have come to terms that the IDW series is going the Fred Wolf and maybe Archie route over Mirage?

[Spitfire]

I'm sure they will. Though I question how edgy you can make a cookie cutter comic relief character that people only ever liked because of how they looked.

[CyberCubed]

I'm sure they will. Though I question how edgy you can make a cookie cutter comic relief character that people only ever liked because of how they looked.

People liked them because they were entertaining.

[Redeemer]

I am curious how well the characters will be received considering they were such epic retards in the OT....

[Ninja Tiptup]

It would seem odd for them not to be part of the new series if Shredder is going to be making as many mutants as Viacom reps have lead on.

[Stingray69]

I am curious how well the characters will be received considering they were such epic retards in the OT....

Hey that's not very nice. But any ways I think nicks gonna go more ot feel then 4kids at this point. So those two would be welcomed in my book.

[Andrew NDB]

It's a little too early to tell that, in my opinion. So far, the only tangible connections to the Original Toon are the Kraang, and Rob Paulsen. Still, the revelation that mutation will play a large role is good evidence that Bebop and Rocksteady will be brought back.

We know that they're doing that because that's what they told Mirage interested them in doing specifically during the sale.

So you have come to terms that the IDW series is going the Fred Wolf and maybe Archie route over Mirage?

I wasn't talking about the IDW series... I'm still reserving judgement for a while.

People liked them because they were entertaining.

We liked them because we were like 6 years old and a goofy punk mutant warthog and rhino was cool to us then. They're betting that a new generation of 6 year olds will react similarly... and they're probably right.

[CyberCubed]

I wasn't talking about the IDW series... I'm still reserving judgement for a while.

We liked them because we were like 6 years old and a goofy punk mutant warthog and rhino was cool to us then. They're betting that a new generation of 6 year olds will react similarly... and they're probably right.

*shrug*

Lots of people who aren't even die-hard fans of the old show still like them. And so far people are open to the idea of them in the IDW comics.

They're going to be treated differently in different mediums. Characters are only campy because the show they were written for was that was.

I really can't wait to see what Tom Waltz does with them for example, makes me wonder when their next appearance will be.

[Spitfire]

Yeah pretty much. The characters had no depth or complexity. They blindly did whatever Shredder told them too and only expressed concern when it came to comic books or video games. They essentially were little kids in adult bodies. They were so cookie cutter in fact that all they did in the later seasons was shoot things because they did away with the comedy element for the most part. Kids liked them for their looks, adults like them for their looks. They look cool. That was it.

[CyberCubed]

Yeah pretty much. The characters had no depth or complexity. They blindly did whatever Shredder told them too and only expressed concern when it came to comic books or video games. They essentially were little kids in adult bodies. They were so cookie cutter in fact that all they did in the later seasons was shoot things because they did away with the comedy element for the most part. Kids liked them for their looks, adults like them for their looks. They look cool. That was it.

Bebop and Rocksteady had a number of scenes that have nothing to do with taking orders from Shredder.

[Spitfire]

Yeah where they played video games and fought over comic books. Or do you mean the 1 episode out of the almost 200 where they go rogue? Oh yeah they got turned into children once and followed the turtles around. Then one time Rocksteady fell for April. Hm did I miss any? No matter what they were doing they were just comic relief with no depth. Even the Archie book had a hard time writing them and wrote them out pretty early on.

[CyberCubed]

. Even the Archie book had a hard time writing them and wrote them out pretty early on.

You know good and well Murphy did that to distance the series from the cartoon, which is why Krang also went and he never brought back Baxter Stockman either.

The fact that Murphy didn't even mutate Baxter into a fly says enough in itself. He simply didn't want to do the same thing the show was doing.

[Jester]

Wasn't everybody in the Fred Wolf series "comic relief"?

[Spitfire]

Wasn't everybody in the Fred Wolf series "comic relief"?

Yeah with little complexity which is why I don't see how people can say they were awesome characters. Aside from stellar character design the characters had nothing much else going for them outside a set few. People like them now because they had the toys and have fond memories of a TV series they most likely haven't seen since they were 8. Most adults would look at characters like Bebop and Rocksteady now in pictures and say "I remember them they were cool.". Then see them in the series and say "I remember them they were stupid."

[ssjup81]

In all honesty, as a kid, I didn't really particularly favor Bebop and Rocksteady. They were okay and I didn't dislike them, but weren't favorites for me. Having gone back to the show though, those two weren't bad (for the pilot eps and season 1). They weren't as dumb, they weren't afraid of Shredder or Krang early on seemingly, and they were more difficult to physically fight. They were portrayed best for those eps, imo, compared to how dumb they really were later on.

[Plasticplayhouse]

i would enjoy seeing beebop and rocksteady introd in the new toon. though, i do hope that they are a much more worthy opponent to the turtles compared to the blundering idiots they were in the OT.

[CrazySquirrel]

I hope they are in the new series! I hope they have a variety of villians and not just Shedder, Bebop and Rocksteady. I would like them to appear in less than half of the episodes.

[Cowabunga Carl]

They are bringing in the Kraang so I don't see why we wouldn't see some version of Bebop and Rocksteady in the show. They might not be like people remember them though. But I have a strong feeling that they will be around.

[Jester]

I really liked the dopes and hope they do show up. I've missed them.

[Hermano Dyvas]

Of course they will be back. And the counter argument that they aren't using Krang isn't solid. They are going to use a thousand Krang's!

[Uki]

Yes to these two! I'm looking forward to them in IDW and hope to see them on Nick. I'm sure they'll be reinvented some, but I'm not one of those whiny fanboys who hates change, so bring it on!!! :)

[TheFallen]

I am not an old school, hardcore TMNT fan. The only reason I originally came here on this forum is because of the new toys based on the classic Fred Wolf series (I only found out it was referred to as this from reading on this forum) so a return of Bebop and Rocksteady is a welcome one for me.

If the new series is an amalgamation of the different properties then it may be a better jumping on point for me to follow this new direction and not just focus on the TMNTC toyline

[Stingray69]

Of course they will be back. And the counter argument that they aren't using Krang isn't solid. They are going to use a thousand Krang's!

Do we know that for sure? Or could it be a mr and mrs kraang and some kiddie kraangs?

[Andrew NDB]

*sigh* There will undoubtedly be some kind of leader of the Kraang that may or may not actually be named "Krang" but will still be him for most/all intents and purposes. I sincerely hope no one is going to be shocked about this.

[CyberCubed]

I heard the Kraang are going to be like the Borg, so perhaps *The* Krang will appear as their leader, similar to the Borg Queen in Next Generation.

[stormbringer]

I wonder if the leader of the kraang will have a personality similar to Kr'ell?

[Konchadunga]

Yeah with little complexity which is why I don't see how people can say they were awesome characters. Aside from stellar character design the characters had nothing much else going for them outside a set few. People like them now because they had the toys and have fond memories of a TV series they most likely haven't seen since they were 8. Most adults would look at characters like Bebop and Rocksteady now in pictures and say "I remember them they were cool.". Then see them in the series and say "I remember them they were stupid."

I think you're being a tad too critical. OK; you're correct--the show doesn't have much depth, and is pretty much straight comedy. Yet the comedy was, in my opinion, done very well; far too well for me to resent the series the way you're doing. That said, I think I agree this new show should give them more depth. Maybe make them street-smart, able to operate capably and fight well enough when they're on their turf, but give them a realistic lack of culture and higher learning that causes goof-ups.

[Stingray69]

It seems to be in the earlier episodes they where fairly intelligent then as the series went on they got dumber and dumber.

[Doc_ock_4mugen]

Bring them on and maybe make them slightly grittier/more competent to fit the new canon.

[Hermano Dyvas]

It seems to be in the earlier episodes they where fairly intelligent then as the series went on they got dumber and dumber.

Yeah, in the first and even part of the 2nd season they're written a lot better, they are pretty believable as mutated tough guys. Most of the rest of the series they seem more like mutated toddlers, they return to their roots somewhat during red sky but yeah...

If they return I hope they at least act like they did in the first season, stupid but not toddlerstupid.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Yeah, in the first and even part of the 2nd season they're written a lot better, they are pretty believable as mutated tough guys. Most of the rest of the series they seem more like mutated toddlers, they return to their roots somewhat during red sky but yeah...

If they return I hope they at least act like they did in the first season, stupid but not toddlerstupid.

I would like so see Rocksteady using his helmet more often.

[CyberCubed]

Since Playmates has no toys of them, perhaps they won't appear in Season 1.

[Konchadunga]

Hopefully we'll at least get an IDW-style preview while they're still human.

[shuriken]

They'll show up. They'll be stupid meatheads and mutate at some point. I just hope they don't get THAT dumb.

[Galactus]

I'd be suprised if they didn't show up but I'd admire what many would see as a gutsy move not to have them there.

After all it's not like the generation of kids that they're aiming the show at would know Bebop or Rocksteady or care if they're used instead of Dogpound or the other mutants we've seen.

It's a nice nod to the minority of OT fans that'll be watching but it seems we're getting plenty of those anyway. Like everything else they should only be included if there's good reason beyond nostagia.

[Konchadunga]

I'm actually not sure we'll be a minority. I don't really know the sort of fanbase Nickelodeon has these days, but I always have a bit of a worry that a series that worked in one era might not have the same appeal in another. Of course it could change itself to have new appeal, but that might turn OT fans into a minority for a different reason: A lot of them could hate it.

[CyberCubed]

It's a nice nod to the minority of OT fans that'll be watching but it seems we're getting plenty of those anyway. Like everything else they should only be included if there's good reason beyond nostagia.

The vast majority of TMNT fans still like the original cartoon, aside from hardcore Mirage fans like Andrew.

And really, there's a reason why even 15 years after the original show ended, that Krang, Bebop and Rocksteady are STILL the most recognizable TMNT villains after Shredder, despite being gone for an entire cartoon series.

[Galactus]

The vast majority of TMNT fans still like the original cartoon, aside from hardcore Mirage fans like Andrew.

And really, there's a reason why even 15 years after the original show ended, that Krang, Bebop and Rocksteady are STILL the most recognizable TMNT villains after Shredder, despite being gone for an entire cartoon series.

But the old argument goes that established TMNT fans, be it fans of the Mirage comics or the Fred Wolf show arn't sizeable enough to make much difference to their plans. Sure Nick will value us enough to throw us a bone every now and again and they wont want to do anything to alienate us but when it comes down to it they want kids watching their show.

These characters will not be recognizable to the audience they are courting. Don't get me wrong they could use Bebop and Rocksteady but it wont make a difference to kids whether they use Bebop, Groundchuck or Fish Face.

[CyberCubed]

could[/B] use Bebop and Rocksteady but it wont make a difference to kids whether they use Bebop, Groundchuck or Fish Face.

True, but Nick knows that those characters were popular with kids once before, and there's no reason kids of today wouldn't love them just the same.

And honestly, all these new animal mutants just pale in comparison to the originals. They picked the right animals when they were creating Rocksteady and Bebop. I'd even love to see Rahzar/Tokka return.

[Konchadunga]

I must admit, seeing newly designed mutants with silly names is nostalgic in itself, but I can't say at the moment whether I'll like Dogpound and Fishface as much as Rocksteady and Bebop, because they're just empty shells right now.

[Andrew NDB]

True, but Nick knows that those characters were popular with kids once before, and there's no reason kids of today wouldn't love them just the same.

While true, visually and mentality-wise now they seem a lot like throwbacks to a bygone era where punk rockers and punk rocker-esque gangs dominated the streets and mohawks and all that were all the rage. It worked in 1987, but it all seems a bit silly and dated now, in 2012. You just don't see that sort of stuff anymore beyond select cliques nowadays who get stuffed into lockers. Who's to say if kids of 2012 would connect to them now were they exactly as they were then.

I'd say we're about to find out, though. But I believe they'll still be visually updated a bit into something else.

[ToTheNines]

Throw some Kanye glasses on Bebop and he's good to go.

[Cowabunga Carl]

I'm waiting to see Dogpound and Fishface in action before passing judgment on them. Rocksteady and Bebop worked in the 80's and are part of the OT, while I wouldn't mind them in a show I'd like to see some new henchmen and mutants.

[marcelangelo]

While true, visually and mentality-wise now they seem a lot like throwbacks to a bygone era where punk rockers and punk rocker-esque gangs dominated the streets and mohawks and all that were all the rage. It worked in 1987, but it all seems a bit silly and dated now, in 2012. You just don't see that sort of stuff anymore beyond select cliques nowadays who get stuffed into lockers. Who's to say if kids of 2012 would connect to them now were they exactly as they were then.

I'd say we're about to find out, though. But I believe they'll still be visually updated a bit into something else.

you know to me it feels like a little bit of the opposite thing in this point...mohawks are part of normal day to day routine nowerdays...you see thme on musicians and so yo see them on teenagers and even little children everywhere you go...so often that a weird haircut like thta won't have a striking effect anymore...but in combination with the turtoise shells on his shoulders I think it works;)....

[CyberCubed]

I'm waiting to see Dogpound and Fishface in action before passing judgment on them. Rocksteady and Bebop worked in the 80's and are part of the OT, while I wouldn't mind them in a show I'd like to see some new henchmen and mutants.

I think the other problem is these new mutants look too accessorized. Fishface seems to have robot legs, and Dogpound has all those damn spikes all over him.

Rocksteady and Bebop's designs were simply "normal" and down to earth. They just wore their street punk clothes and that's it.

Sooner or later they will introduce the original mutants of the franchise. If IDW is using them in comics aimed at adults I see no reason Nick wouldn't.

[Xav]

I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't show up. Shredder's henchmen seem to keep changing between canons.

[CyberCubed]

Does seem strange that they're choosing to introduce new mutants like Dogpound and Fishface right off the bat rather than use well known mutants.

I understand every new series wants to introduce fresh characters right away, that's why IDW introduced Old Hob, but it makes you wonder.

We don't even know if Krang himself will appear as the leader of the Kraang.

[Cowabunga Carl]

I don't want a carbon copy of the OT, or IDW. I think that's one reason I'm able to do the IDW sereis thus far. It's different enough that I don't feel like been there done that. Plus Old Hob is a great addition. The comic is brining in enough old things to make some fans happy but adding new layers to it too.

I'm hoping Nick does that too. I'm hoping that there is enough there to recognize it but enough different that I'm not thinking someone else did it better. I guess that's why part of me doesn't want to see these guys again now for a third time. I have a feeling we will though. I'm open to seeing them again but if we do I hope Nick keeps them fresh.

[CyberCubed]

Bebop/Rocksteady went a 15 year gap between appearances from the end of Season 8 in 1994 to 2009's Turtles Forever.

You act as if they've constantly been around. Even in IDW we've only seen them once, and in human form no less.

[Cowabunga Carl]

They were one hit wonders. In the OT they served one purpose and that was to screw up the Shredder's plan. Heck that was even their point in Turtles Forever. For me as a child that was what made them so much fun. When I watch the OT that's part of what makes it magical for me.

That doesn't mean I want to see them other places. You're right Cubed they were "gone" for a while. But they weren't really when I, or anyone else, puts on a dvd of the OT.

[ToTheNines]

Well they're saving Casey Jones for season 2, and I think we can all agree he's a more "classic" TMNT character than these two. So I expect to see them later on down the line.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

I really, really hope these two make it into the new show, and I really don't see any indication they won't- just because they're not in with the figures shown off at Toyfare, doesn't mean they won't show up in Season 1 with everybody else.

[strugler]

I certainly hope so. Bebop and rocksteady are a huge part of the TMNT mythos, even if they were not in the original comics.

and guess what? i am still pissed at eastman and laird for now allowing their inclusion in the secret of the ooze movie, so instead we got tokka and rhazar.

however, i must add, i want bebop and rocksteady to be a serious threat to the turtles and not the goofy screw-ups they were in the original cartoon.

[Agent 86]

I'd like to see Bebop and Rocksteady in the new series.

I'd be more than happy if they're simply human "thugs" for a while before they mutate into their more beastly forms. And I'd be especially happy if they were a serious threat to the turtles (preferably in both human and mutant forms).

At the moment, the new dog and fish/pirahna/shark (?) mutants don't really appeal to me, but it's unfair to judge them based on action figure proto-types alone.

[lKevlKev]

I hope they show up. Even though they were bumbling fools and always got themselves handed to them by the turtles, I always loved them. The turtles have villains that are much more of a challenge to balance it out anyway.

[CyberCubed]

The fact that there are no toys for them right out of the gate, and not even any sketches/molds like Leatherhead/Metalhead and Baxter...makes me think they're not in Season 1 if they appear at all.

I guess Nick wants to make sure their new mutants like Dogpound and Fishface become popular, rather than being overshadowed by Bebop and Rocksteady.

[Zany Orange Dude]

Either that, or they are saving them for a surprise!:twink:

[Nintendophile]

I think, if done properly, Bebop and Rocksteady could definitely be updated and made a more "serious" threat to the Turtles. Look at the successfully updated versions of Monkian and Jackalman, (now named Addicus and Kaynar), in the new Thundercats series. Definitely an example of two character updates done right!

I'm sure the new Nick TMNT could pull off such a transformation for Bebop and Rocksteady. Less clumsy/buffoonery, more menacing/serious, but still with a touch of humor.

[Zany Orange Dude]

Yeah, their original designs are epic as they are, all they need is some brains and you could have yourself two threatening mutants to tend with!

[Candy Kappa]

in-show or not, I kinda hope we'll get action figures of them. And not just Bebop and Rocksteady but many more figures from various versions, made in a toy design style

[Zany Orange Dude]

in-show or not, I kinda hope we'll get action figures of them. And not just Bebop and Rocksteady but many more figures from various versions, made in a toy design style

Wasn't it stated somewhere that if the classic line action figures sell well, we'll be seeing more OT figures? Surely Bebop and Rocksteady would be in that following batch of characters? I mean, they are really popular.

[Candy Kappa]

Wasn't it stated somewhere that if the classic line action figures sell well, we'll be seeing more OT figures? Surely Bebop and Rocksteady would be in that following batch of characters? I mean, they are really popular.

that's speculation so far, they have to be released AND sell well.

no, what I meant was in-scale in-design wise with the basic line. I want Playmates to go bonkers like they did with the vintage line.

[Zany Orange Dude]

that's speculation so far, they have to be released AND sell well.

no, what I meant was in-scale in-design wise with the basic line. I want Playmates to go bonkers like they did with the vintage line.

Oh okay. Thanks for clearing that up for me.:)

Oh yeah, I'd be all for that if they do! They'd definitely have my buy-and I am sure many others as well.:tsmile:

[Ravenxl7]

I currently don't expect them to, but it would be nice to see updates to both the old dunderheads. It's not like the foot aren't utilizing mutants in this new show, so it wouldn't be hard to explain their existence.

If for no other reasons, toys of them would be great. Especially if the classics line sells well, they could have both modern and class versions of them out in stores.

[CyberCubed]

Odd. With IDW using Krang/Bebop/Rocksteady and Nick not, you'd expect it to be the other way around.

And before anyone says anything, no, "The Kraang" is not the same thing as Krang himself. I just view those as evil Utroms.

[Zany Orange Dude]

Maybe we will see them in future seasons of 2k12 if the show is goes over well.

[TurtleTitan97]

Maybe we will see them in future seasons of 2k12 if the show is goes over well.

That would be cool.

[CyberCubed]

Considering the tone of the show, Bebop and Rocksteady would fit in perfectly.

[SS_Turtle]

Considering the tone of the show, Bebop and Rocksteady would fit in perfectly.

I agree, with them bringing back leatherhead I'm sure they'll bring back Bebop & Rocksteady. My bet will be in the later seasons once they run out of new character ideas.

[Donatello19]

Nope, bebop and rocksteady will not be in this new series. it was stated in an interview. they will be replaced by two new mutants, Dog pound and Fish face

[Xav]

Odd. With IDW using Krang/Bebop/Rocksteady and Nick not, you'd expect it to be the other way around.

And before anyone says anything, no, "The Kraang" is not the same thing as Krang himself. I just view those as evil Utroms. The IDW series is aimed at older fans. The new show is aimed at kids who never saw the 1987 cartoon series. So they could care less if Bebop and Rocksteady appear in the show.

[SS_Turtle]

Nope, bebop and rocksteady will not be in this new series. it was stated in an interview. they will be replaced by two new mutants, Dog pound and Fish face

What interview / when was this stated just out of curiosity?

[Xav]

http://www.toonzone.net/news/articles/43098/toonzone-attends-the-world-premiere-preview-of-nickelodeons-tmnt-at-mcm-expo-london/

[PizzaPower]

doesnt matter to me what they use as long as they keep TMNT alive on the TV for kids, you got to think TMNT cartoon is for kids, comics are for young adults/adults.

[Donatello19]

What interview / when was this stated just out of curiosity?

It was stated in this article
http://www.toonzone.net/news/articles/43098/toonzone-attends-the-world-premiere-preview-of-nickelodeons-tmnt-at-mcm-expo-london/

[MikeandRaph87]

I thought it was not ruling out their inclusion later on. Who is to say these two to three mutants fail too many times and are done away with and Bebop and Rocksteady are the more competent replacements? Okay,wishful thinking but it does say they can show up sometime down the line.

[Xav]

It was stated in this article
http://www.toonzone.net/news/articles/43098/toonzone-attends-the-world-premiere-preview-of-nickelodeons-tmnt-at-mcm-expo-london/ Why did you post the same exact link I did two posts ago?

[CyberCubed]

They won't appear in Season 1, but they could bring them in during Season 2.

[Andrew NDB]

They won't appear in Season 1, but they could bring them in during Season 2.

For sure. I can already see the teasers now: "Get ready for Bebop and Rocksteady next season, kids!" As a generation of the little tykes this show is actually for go, "Who?"

Or it could be some sort of bastion to TPTB. "We're not actually doing the Fred Wolf cartoon... even though what we're doing is real goofy and we're even re-using the Fred Wolf theme music. What, you need proof? NO BEBOP AND ROCKSTEADY! And no cowabunga, we're going all booyakasha on yo ass."

[sdp]

I think they want to create something new and not follow things from the OT, at least while they begin, I can see them going and adding OT flavors in later seasons, similar to how The Batman 2004 tried to be it's own take in the first few seasons and later incorporated the more known mythos after fans complained and because they also wanted too, best of both worlds.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

They won't appear in Season 1, but they could bring them in during Season 2.

I want to see both Bebop and Rocksteady, and originating from the Purple Dragons gang.

[MikeandRaph87]

I think they want to create something new and not follow things from the OT, at least while they begin, I can see them going and adding OT flavors in later seasons, similar to how The Batman 2004 tried to be it's own take in the first few seasons and later incorporated the more known mythos after fans complained and because they also wanted too, best of both worlds.

Problem is with exception for a handful of episodes The Batman is dull,but the 4th and 5th seasons were amazing. My three favorite DC characters in their iconic hero identities and the tone was perfect. I would hate to have half of the series so-so and half amazing.

[sdp]

The first seasons of The Batman were at least unique even if they indeed had some weaker episodes, unlike S4 which felt like BTAS lite, not that it wasn't awesome but you know it still felt that they had thrown out all the uniqueness for the sake of being more like BTAS. S5 however was just awful, terrible season. I still feel The Batman is very underrated for coming after BTAS.

[MikeandRaph87]

The first seasons of The Batman were at least unique even if they indeed had some weaker episodes, unlike S4 which felt like BTAS lite, not that it wasn't awesome but you know it still felt that they had thrown out all the uniqueness for the sake of being more like BTAS. S5 however was just awful, terrible season. I still feel The Batman is very underrated for coming after BTAS.

I was bored with The Batman and did not watch it regualrly until after Barbara joined but when my favorite Dick Grayson joined and it was a good mix of serious and fun it equaled the first three of four Batman:TAS. The thing is it had the tone right and my second favorite team aside form the Ninja Turtles is Bruce Wayne as Batman,Dick Grayson as Robin,and Barbara Gordon as Batgirl!

[LotusBlossom]

TMNT 2012 : THE BATMAN ::

an apple : an orange

[Jephael]

As much as I love Rocksteady and Bebop, I kinda hope they don't show up in this new series. I wanna see some original characters like the ones we saw in the 4Kids series.

[mysterycolor]

i wish, i loved bebop and rocksteady

[mikey22]

bebop and rocksteady in season 1 were terrific villians... esp w/ rocksteadys army helmet made him look like a stud. he lost coolness when he was helmetless

[Plasticplayhouse]

I'd love to see bebop and rocksteady! Though I hope that they make them a little more formidable. I want them to be a little more intelligent, less bumbling idiots.

[CyberCubed]

I think they are saving them for Season 2. They probably want Dogpund and Fishface to have no "competition," if that makes any sense, as the only main mutant duo of Shredder's in Season 1.

After they become popular characters (or not), they'll probably bring in Bebop/Rocksteady and other mutants like Rahzar/Tokka.

[Zany Orange Dude]

I think they are saving them for Season 2. They probably want Dogpund and Fishface to have no "competition," if that makes any sense, as the only main mutant duo of Shredder's in Season 1.

After they become popular characters (or not), they'll probably bring in Bebop/Rocksteady and other mutants like Rahzar/Tokka.

I hope your right.

I'd really like Bebop and Rocksteady to show up at some point in the series.

[Allio]

I think Bebop and Rocksteady should stay in 87... let that show have something to itself

[CyberCubed]

I think Bebop and Rocksteady should stay in 87... let that show have something to itself

Considering every TMNT universe uses the same characters, (Shredder, Baxter, Rat King, Leatherhead), I don't see why they can't use those two.

They fit the humor of the series too.

[Allio]

Considering every TMNT universe uses the same characters, (Shredder, Baxter, Rat King, Leatherhead), I don't see why they can't use those two.

They fit the humor of the series too.

those are characters that have been around since the beginning...

It's the same reason as I would like for Bishop to stay in the 03 universe

[CyberCubed]

those are characters that have been around since the beginning...

It's the same reason as I would like for Bishop to stay in the 03 universe

That doesn't make any sense. New characters are created all the time, those new characters can then return in later series.

Look at Metalhead.

[MikeandRaph87]

Bebop and Rocksteady get crapped on because they were goofy. That is why Laird hated them and the fact they did not originate in the black and white comics. Aside from a 10 to 11 character set from those comics all the characters have come from the other media and made it so much better. Bebop and Rocksteady need a chace to evolve and continue on in the franchise and no be blocked for goofiness or becasue a creator wnats only his comic orginated characters. I love Agent Bishop and he is my favorite 2003 cartoon original. I want to see Bebop,Rocskteady, and John Bishop continue on in some form! One thing that might help Bebop and Rocksteady is getting a little blood on thier hands and maybe being seperated to showcase their individual characters. I don't know why Agnet John Bishop should be confined or what would make one think the character should be. I love the pool of characters the Other Media creates! There might be lousy ones like in my opinion Hun,but there are more good character than bad! Its just figuring out which ones fit each version as it comes about!

[CyberCubed]

So much of the Nick show is OT influenced that I think it would be odd if they never showed up eventually.

[Allio]

That doesn't make any sense. New characters are created all the time, those new characters can then return in later series.

Look at Metalhead.

think of it this way... would you want Shredder to be an utrom in another show, or would you want it to stay unique in the 03-verse

[Powder]

That's not a fair comparison at all.

[CyberCubed]

think of it this way... would you want Shredder to be an utrom in another show, or would you want it to stay unique in the 03-verse

Since when do characters who were created in one series are not allowed to be in another? Look at Angel, a 4kids character appearing in the IDW comics for goodness sakes.

Nick should and can use whomever they want. Bebop/Rocksteady, Hun, Old Hob...they could use anyone.

[Allio]

Since when do characters who were created in one series are not allowed to be in another? Look at Angel, a 4kids character appearing in the IDW comics for goodness sakes.


Now I haven't read the IDW series yet, but isn't that kind of considered a crossover universe, where they took different parts from different places and put them together (think someone mentioned before about Bebop and Rocksteady being in it)

...

Here, let me try it this way... I wouldn't mind if bebop and Rocksteady made an appearance, but it shouldn't be for as replacement or placed into any main fraction of the characters...

Something like they did for Tokka and Rahzar in the old toon would be good

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

They fit the humor of the series too.

Depends on how they are depicted.

[CyberCubed]

Bring back Bebop and Rocksteady definitely.

They'll fit in perfectly with the tone and humor of this show. In fact they could be handled better than they were in the OT.