Peter Laird's Input

[Lil G]

I was just reading over Laird's back and forth emails with Lloyd about the approval of some 2k3 episodes, and i think the same relationship should happen between him and Nick. Although he can be a prick at times, he's saved the 2k3 show from minor and a few major flunks. I think it's safe to say that some Nick shows can get a little out of hand at times and Laird's input could make things run more smoothly and can almost ensure another Next Mutation or OT wont happen again. What do you guys think?

[Oculus Orbus]

It won't happen. He sold the franchise because he was burnt out, and didn't want to work with it anymore.

[CyberCubed]

I'd hope the Nick show is half as good as the OT was. Since its obviously not going to be like Mirage or 4kids.

[BubblyShell22]

Laird sold the franchise to Nick, so I doubt he'll have any input because he doesn't want to be involved anymore. That means we're stuck with whatever we get.

[ZariusTwo]

and can almost ensure another Next Mutation or OT wont happen again. What do you guys think?

Considering the OT is the most succesful and most memorable version of the show ever, it's safe to say Peter's best contribution was to stay the f*ck out of the way.

Laird's had his way for years, to fluxuating degrees of success, now it's someone else's turn.

[Cowabunga Carl]

While the OT is the most memorable doesn't mean it was the best version to everyone. Everyone has their own favorite part of the franchise. For me it's the Mirage comics. I enjoy the OT but it was downright goofy from time to time.

With Laird being part of this show it aint happening. Like BubblyShell22 said he sold it cause he was done.

[ZariusTwo]

While the OT is the most memorable doesn't mean it was the best version to everyone. Everyone has their own favorite part of the franchise. For me it's the Mirage comics. I enjoy the OT but it was downright goofy from time to time..

Where as the Mirage comics were too damn serious given how ridiculous it's premise was. The 4Kids cartoon couldnt get past a niche audience for the same reason.

[Jester]

Because he's 15. He grew up with the "vastly superior" 4Kids series... :roll:

[Cowabunga Carl]

Where as the Mirage comics were too damn serious given how ridiculous it's premise was. The 4Kids cartoon couldnt get past a niche audience for the same reason.

It's clear what version was your favorite and that's cool. But to attack people based on theirs is silly and childish.

[Jester]

It's clear what version was your favorite and that's cool. But to attack people based on theirs is silly and childish.
Sadly, that's our Zarius!

[Samhain]

Where as the Mirage comics were too damn serious given how ridiculous it's premise was. The 4Kids cartoon couldnt get past a niche audience for the same reason.

I realize that the Tmnt story as a whole is really, really ridiculous. But, that's the tone of that the creators gave the comics. It is what it is. Just because the 80s toon was ass-hat goofy doesn't mean that Mirage was ''too serious''.

[Jester]

I realize that the Tmnt story as a whole is really, really ridiculous. But, that's the tone of that the creators gave the comics. It is what it is. Just because the 80s toon was ass-hat goofy doesn't mean that Mirage was ''too serious''.
Tehe .

[TurtleMaster4]

laird, i don't see that happening, he is tired of the turtles, but Eastman is getting back into them so i could see him become involved if they ask him!

[Powder]

Where as the Mirage comics were too damn serious given how ridiculous it's premise was. The 4Kids cartoon couldnt get past a niche audience for the same reason.

Methinks you've read very little of the Mirage comics.

"Great Oogly Moogly" & "Googala" were frequent quotes. :lol:

It was serious by comparison to the OT (which wasn't as goofy as many make it out to be) but it was loaded with jokes, too.

[Lil G]

Jester, yes i did grow up watching knew episodes of the 2k3 show but inbetween i would pop in vhs's of the OT and watch both. I understand what your saying, but "vastly superior" is a little much. I love both shows but 2k3's storyline ran good to me (until FF, although Turtles Forever was amazing) and OT was so fluid and the characters were memorizing, also with the great animation it came with. but my favorite has always been 2k3 because it never sidetracked too much and took things more seriously. Plus april didnt get kidnapped every other episode. And as much as i know it wont happen, Lairds addition would be nice for the show.

[Jephael]

Why do we keep making such a big stink over Peter Laird's opinion? Let the dude live his life! He wants to put the franchise behind him for a while, and we should respect that.

[Andrew NDB]

Why do we keep making such a big stink over Peter Laird's opinion? Let the dude live his life! He wants to put the franchise behind him for a while, and we should respect that.

Well... why is he putting up "Ask Peter" Q&A posts on his TMNT blog for TMNT fans regularly? Should we just ignore those? Questions of his opinion are actually being solicited by him.

[Xav]

Because he's 15. He grew up with the "vastly superior" 4Kids series... :roll: Why are you rolling your eyes at the truth?

[Jephael]

I'm just saying we shouldn't make a big deal about his responses and opinions. At the moment he seems to have this bitter feeling towards the Ninja Turtles, but maybe if we give him some time he may mellow out a little and look at the posative elements of the franchise instead of the negative ones.

[Jester]

Why are you rolling your eyes at the truth?
There's is no truth. Only opinions. But in my opinion neither is better than the other. The FW series is a different animal and good for totally different reasons than the 4Kids series is good.

To be fair, I may prefer the OT a little more due to nostalgia, BUT last time I watched the series in a marathon, I could sit through more FW episodes than 4Kids episodes in one viewing..

[CyberCubed]

To be fair, I may prefer the OT a little more due to nostalgia, BUT last time I watched the series in a marathon, I could sit through more FW episodes than 4Kids episodes.

Part of that is the OT is fun, mindless entertainment. The 4kids series has way too much continuity and multi-part arcs that it feels more exhausting and you have to take a break.

I really like the 4kids series, but even I admit I can watch no more than 3 episodes in one sitting without having to take a break.

[Drose18]

Part of that is the OT is fun, mindless entertainment. The 4kids series has way too much continuity and multi-part arcs that it feels more exhausting and you have to take a break.

I really like the 4kids series, but even I admit I can watch no more than 3 episodes in one sitting without having to take a break.

I fall asleep watching fw it's so old fashioned and has bad animation.

[CyberCubed]

I fall asleep watching fw it's so old fashioned and has bad animation.

For its time the animation still holds up. The old toon wasn't meant to be a serious show, it was just meant to be a fun adventure series with a little action here and there.

I think the fact that so many adults from around 18-30 still enjoy watching it says a lot, and its not because of nostalgia from when they were kids.

[Powder]

I fall asleep watching fw it's so old fashioned and has bad animation.

No, you're just too young to realize quality goes beyond the surface.

[Jester]

No, you're just too young to realize quality goes beyond the surface.
Indeed. It's the witty writing and voice acting that makes the Fred Wolf series a classic.

[azrael]

I fall asleep watching fw it's so old fashioned and has bad animation.

I didnt use to but now I do the same. I can stand it in small doses or when my son watches them I like seeing the discovery on his face.

If its just me and them I cant. Some of the later keep me on but not many. I am trying to rewatch all of them but unfortunately its like the Batman serials I simply take a nap.

[Jephael]

It's the witty writing and voice acting that makes the Fred Wolf series a classic.

I wish people would take note of that more often instead of just dismissing it as a kiddie show!

[Andrew NDB]

I think the fact that so many adults from around 18-30 still enjoy watching it says a lot, and its not because of nostalgia from when they were kids.

Maybe, maybe not... but good luck trying to "convert" someone of that age that's never seen it before.

[Jephael]

I don't feel it's really a matter of age, so much as it's a matter of taste. Some people like stories that are all serious with "life and death" struggles, while others just like to have a good time and laugh their butts off!

[Andrew NDB]

I don't feel it's really a matter of age, so much as it's a matter of taste. Some people like stories that are all serious with "life and death" struggles, while others just like to have a good time and laugh their butts off!

But there is no humor in the Fred Wolf series that would cause your average 30 year old to "laugh their butts off." It's designed to be funny for 5 year olds. You or I might get a chuckle because we remember, "ZOMG, this was the bomb diggity when I was like 6, I remember this scene! LOLZ!"... someone that's never seen the show, it's something else entirely.

[Jephael]

Okay, lets atleast be a little fair and say the show was designed for kids around 10-12. The show did have some obscure adult themes set around it, especially in season 2. Just take a good look at that bimbo Burne Thompson dated. Don't tell me that character was designed for an audience of toddlers!

[Lisardo]

Was gonna say....the kids I knew in school back in the day, who were turtle fans were way older than 6! 6 years olds watch Barney, not TMNT.

[Killer Moth]

As for the 87 humor, humor itself is largely subjective and it depends on context. Some jokes in the series are easier to like than others, and others are more grating. That's life.

One big difference with the audience, these days, we love to engage in snark bait. Go to YouTube or any comment section. We see something older and cheesy, and we usually either laugh with it or at it. I don't know if it is a by-product of being more sophisicated or jaded or both or a fourth thing. Treated this way, it's why 87 Raph works rather well with modern audiences, as those jokes you missed as a kid, you now go, "ahhh." At least, that's how I personally regard him, but again, subjective standard, etc.

In terms of plots, agreed as that was the weaker aspect, yet the humor and the occasional nuance kept it from being completely disposable. A youth-based show that lasted 10 years when most of its fare last at most, 3, and despite all the complaints, had to do something right.

[MikeandRaph87]

Indeed. It's the witty writing and voice acting that makes the Fred Wolf series a classic.

Here,here! Jester for court jester of the year! That is what I came to apprecaite about it as I got older. It was about 8 VAs doing all of the voices. The animation was choppy but is forgiven but at times it had great visuals especially at night. I honestly believe it had the best chaacter set of any incarnation as well. Even when some plot points were recycled it was completely different such as the villain controlling heat in "Shredder's Mom", "Too Hot To Hot To Handle" and "Power of Three". This is why it does not take nostalgia to see this as the best version!:tgrin: Others are great but this is the best TO ME.