Official Ep Discussion # 18 "Cockroach Terminator"

[Machias Banshee]

Whew... after our last episode of aliens, rock soldiers, and Donnie face-grabbing (I have a theory (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showpost.php?p=1068877&postcount=239) for that in last week's discussion, my dear over-analyzers!), it looks like we'll be continuing on the path of alien espionage... unfortunately, we'll be waiting until March 15th for it.

So Beware the Ides of March!!

After the unsuccessful attempt at destroying the Dimensional portal, the boys are now trying to find out how they can both stop the Kraang from bringing more evil critters from their home dimension AND trying to get our Crocodilian compadre (or Alligatorish ally?) back from the limbo battles of Traag, the Dimension X 'Bellator de saxo' (Cuz 'rock soldier' sounds so dull...)

Donatello... I love him to pieces. Reminds me of my brother. Can take random items and 'MacGuyver' them into any strange kind of contraption. A bit unorthodox at times... (rocket powered bo, anyone?)

Typically, when one deals in the matter of finding a cockroach, one would dispose of it right away - for Raph, that could mean flattening it to a pulp and/or setting it on fire and/or throwing it into the sewer. On the other hand, the first thing that comes to Donnie's mind is to strap cameras and a dremel saw to it's back.

And so we delve into the world of Bug Recon. One letter off, and you're dead meat. Or one wrong step, and you fall into a vat of acid....

So we'll see what happens...

WILL THE TURTLES GET ONE STEP CLOSER TO GETTING TO THE PORTAL?!
WILL RAPHAEL EVER GET OVER HIS ETERNAL HATRED OF BUGS?!
AND WHEN THE HECK IS THE NICK SITE GOING TO GET SOME PREVIEWS UP?!

Stay Tuned!!

[Machias Banshee]

I'm opening this early since I won't be here tonight.

Do NOT fill this with junk. Please preserve it for AFTER the show airs...


Poll will come at some point tonight.

[Luigiperps]

Kraang is liking the earth term diet of the grain known as gluten:D

[snake]

Kraang is liking the earth term diet of the grain known as gluten:D

He lost 13 kraang units!

[Luigiperps]

Spiderman reference "go getem tiger"

[Luigiperps]

Chong isn't named chong :-? And doesn't seem too evil, besides to Raph
"Be nice to michelangelo!
Let him read your comics once in a while"

[snake]

The second form Chong looks gross!

[NinjaMan]

Good gravy his third form is even more nasty in motion LOL.

[snake]

Good gravy his third form is even more nasty in motion LOL.

Looks like a fresh body part, right out of the body!
and Mikey getting thrown of the table was funny!

[Luigiperps]

Darn it, now I must get the shell thingy

[snake]

So Chong is going to be back now... Just like snakeweed.

[TurtleTitan97]

Another good episode. I thought Chong was pretty cool.

[Luigiperps]

Why does no one show remorse for ol'chongy. :( and why is there a figure of chong 1rst edition? Maybe cause chong 2cond is all groddy

[snake]

Why does no one show remorse for ol'chongy. :( and why is there a figure of chong 1rst edition? Maybe cause chong 2cond is all groddy

Make Chong a rubber figure with a second form inside him.

[Kunoichi_Haruko]

This series' humor is ridiculous and I love it. Also, great tag team fight w/ Donnie & Mikey vs. the roach. Can't wait to see that again. Gotta say though, this is the first one that actually "felt" like a filler episode (to me at least). The beats between scenes seemed to go just a bit too long, like they were short on script. Not that I minded too much; Raph being scared out of his mind was fun to watch. Can't wait for the replay.

[JTH]

The episode was fine.

My thing with it is the episode seemed...out of sequence. We went from finding out The Kraang are after April and then she's not even in the next episode, not even a mention in the episode. This episode could have been right after "The Alien Agenda" and there would have been no difference in story continuity.

[Zulithe]

I don't think I heard the word "chong" even once in the episode. They probably decided to change his name.

[MutagenJosh]

Loved the episode. So now, just like snake weed, chong is coming back. Awesome. We know we will get cockroach chong, but wasn't there a TMNT fly figure mentioned? It could be for 2nd chong, or Baxter. My thoughts.

[LH]

This was a fun episode! It was cool that we got to see a storyline that focused mainly on Raph. Chong was Nasty.. I gotta hand it to the animators, they did an awesome job at making him look disgusting.:tdead:

[tlg80]

The third form was beyond disgusting. I laughed out loud when Raph started to freak out.

[LH]

Why does no one show remorse for ol'chongy. :( and why is there a figure of chong 1rst edition? Maybe cause chong 2cond is all groddy

I do admit, Chong was a sad character. I wonder what would have happened if he heard Raph's begging for forgiveness.

[snake]

Loved the episode. So now, just like snake weed, chong is coming back. Awesome. We know we will get cockroach chong, but wasn't there a TMNT fly figure mentioned? It could be for 2nd chong, or Baxter. My thoughts.

Nope, it was wasp, ( I first announced it:))

[NinjaPug]

Personally, this was my least favorite episode so far. It wasn't a good follow-up to TCRI at all.

[snake]

The episode was fine.

My thing with it is the episode seemed...out of sequence. We went from finding out The Kraang are after April and then she's not even in the next episode, not even a mention in the episode. This episode could have been right after "The Alien Agenda" and there would have been no difference in story continuity.

Except that they mention TCRI once, other then that it was all filler.

[LH]

The episode was fine.

My thing with it is the episode seemed...out of sequence. We went from finding out The Kraang are after April and then she's not even in the next episode, not even a mention in the episode. This episode could have been right after "The Alien Agenda" and there would have been no difference in story continuity.

Personally, this was my least favorite episode so far. It wasn't a good follow-up to TCRI at all.

It was strange that we heard all about the Kraang, and yet no reference to Leatherhead or April was made.:tconfuse:

[Xav]

Has Raph ever had a fear of cockroaches before? I know he had a fear of bugs in the 4kids series.

[snake]

Has Raph ever had a fear of cockroaches before? I know he had a fear of bugs in the 4kids series.

And leaches in the mirage comics

[Luigiperps]

And leaches in the mirage comics

He had a reason too after the bloodsucker, who should totally be in this show

[snake]

He had a reason too after the bloodsucker, who should totally be in this show

Oh man! I'd be dying If "the river" was adapted!

[pannoni1]

If you liked "Snakes Alive" from the OT, you'll enjoy "Cockroach Terminator". Unfortuantely, this makes Turtle Temper look good since at least it provided some handy tips about controlling a temper, unlike the worn out phobia message. And unfortunately, there's no Splinter to help give Raph advice about how to clone his fears. The fight scenes are ok but feel more "Hero Turtles" than "Ninja Turtles" with goofy techniques such as drilling in the Earth's crust (maybe the Technodrome?) and it felt a bit boring after awhile. I did enjoy the driving scene with Raph's motorcycle.

Overall: 5/10

[Kunoichi_Haruko]

And unfortunately, there's no Splinter to help give Raph advice about how to clone his fears.

:teek: Somehow, I don't think Raph being surrounded by roaches would decrease his anxiety. Sounds like an episode of Fear Factor gone horribly wrong... :twink:

[CyberCubed]

How did they get their van running without the power cell?

Decent filler episode, I actually think Raph's fear of roaches was because of the 4kids series.

[FearlessLeader]

After reading this thread I feel kind of alone in the fact I really loved this episode. It was actually one of my favorites so far. Not really an outstanding plot but I really enjoyed the brother interaction in this episode. Especially the almost silent understanding displayed between Leo and Raph when the latter wished to final confront what he was afraid of.

I also really though Raph was great in this episode. I think it is an important message to not allow your fears to control you and that by facing them you really do become a stronger individual. Not quiet as dynamic as when Leo faced the Elite after his defeat by them in the 4Kids cartoon but I thought it kind of echoed the same idea of looking inside yourself to overcome.

It does timeline wise feel a little out of place, in the fact April is never brought up. But I was pleased the guys seemed to actually know they needed to face the Krang in this episode and that they couldn't back down and leave the fight for later as we have seen them do in a couple of different episodes now against different advisories. (The one personal thing about this series that kind of annoys me)

I was also pleased Mikey was the only one that thought of going to get big spray to use against the spy roach. Even though it didn't completely pan out it was nice to see him be proactive!

[BMo]

After reading this thread I feel kind of alone in the fact I really loved this episode. It was actually one of my favorites so far. Not really an outstanding plot but I really enjoyed the brother interaction in this episode. Especially the almost silent understanding displayed between Leo and Raph when the latter wished to final confront what he was afraid of.

I also really though Raph was great in this episode. I think it is an important message to not allow your fears to control you and that by facing them you really do become a stronger individual. Not quiet as dynamic as when Leo faced the Elite after his defeat by them in the 4Kids cartoon but I thought it kind of echoed the same idea of looking inside yourself to overcome.

It does timeline wise feel a little out of place, in the fact April is never brought up. But I was pleased the guys seemed to actually know they needed to face the Krang in this episode and that they couldn't back down and leave the fight for later as we have seen them do in a couple of different episodes now against different advisories. (The one personal thing about this series that kind of annoys me)

I was also pleased Mikey was the only one that thought of going to get big spray to use against the spy roach. Even though it didn't completely pan out it was nice to see him be proactive!

No, you aren't alone, I LOVED this episode too. Sure the story was filler fodder, BUT the characters of the brothers really came through here. Only thing I missed was the lack of a name for the Spy Roach, I figured it would have been a good time for Mikey to poke fun at Raph while naming him. But a very small gripe, haha. What this did make me do it go out and buy the Stealth Bike.....dang you marketing masterminds!

[Donatello19]

Why are all of the posts above discussing the episode before it aired? Is my computer just showing the wrong time that you guys made those posts? :-?

As for the episode, it was one of the worst ones yet, just as bad as turtle temper. Funny how the Raphael episodes have bee the worst so far (IMO). I was very surprised we didn't see Splinter or April at all, and the episode just felt, kind of rushed. It did not move the story along at all, and the episode just wasn't funny. I really didn't like the story all that much either. The spy roach (what happened to Chong?) was disgusting and not really interesting. I suppose it was cool to see a mutant that was part tech, but that's about it. All in all, this was not worth the wait. One thing I did notice though is a technodrome cameo of sorts. The Kraang's drill looked like a modern technodrome, it even had an eye on it.

[Avatar Yuffie]

It was okay.

I'm a bit bummed out Don never told me how he got the Shellraiser working again, and the cockroach is gross.

[RiseAbove873]

It really bothers me how they treated the cockroach. I was hoping for Raph and/or Donny to apologize to him and that they would all become friends. And this episode just felt too much like a "filler." It hardly progressed the story at all, especially after TCRI's April "cliffhanger."

[BabyTurtles]

yuck......that roach was nasty!!!

but it was a very fun episode!!! XD I liked it :3

it was a little weird though.

Raph is really REALLY afraid of roaches......o_o i felt bad for him at one point.

Mikey putting a roach in Raph's shell is evil and hilarious! XD

im surprised the others weren't as scared as Raph! did they even see that thing!?

[STORMSHADOW__210]

Not the greatest episode but was entertained.

[BabyTurtles]

how was Mikey the only one to think to use big spray!?

[Zulithe]

Personally, this was my least favorite episode so far. It wasn't a good follow-up to TCRI at all.

I'd rate it similarly to 'turtle temper' -- though maybe slightly better.

I don't have anything against raph-centric episodes (growing up he was always my favorite turtle), but so far they aren't ranking very well for me. I'm interested in rewatching it another time or two, but I don't predict it being a staple amongst my frequently watched episodes. I will say that the last few minutes where Raph decides to overcome his phobia was pretty awesome.

Note to nick: when using raph as a centerpiece for an episode, can we please have him doing more than trying to overcome some weakness? First it was his temper/anger (in 'turtle temper') and here it was a fear of cocroaches. All the other brothers seem to have more developed personalities than this.

Anyway. 8 more episodes in season 1 which is quite a lot. I absolutely love these 26 episode seasons!

[BabyTurtles]

this episode might have had nothing to do with the plot

but it was FUNNY!!! XD

[Jephael]

I gotta say this is definitely my least-favorite episode. I didn't care at all for the roach mutant, and we still haven't gotten any new information on the Kraang.

[Powder]

I actually REALLY liked this episode. For me, it's high up on the list, and I'm not even really a Raph fan. In fact, in most universes, I end up liking him least (or tying with Mikey for last place). I just thought it was hilarious, and Chong is/was a badass mutant, haha. Lots of action, no breaks in the fun.

[CyberCubed]

The roach mutant (Chong? Scumbug?) itself was fine. Its just nothing really happened besides a big fight.

[BabyTurtles]

it was nice to see Raph being the vulnerable one for a change :3

I'm starting to think Mikey's his favorite brother >:T

[Lethal Lullaby]

This episode was fun. I liked the cockroach better as Donnie's pet. (it was kinda cuter) :D Poor Raphy.

[ToTheNines]

Wasn't feeling this one. Probably would have enjoyed this more if I didn't wait two weeks for it... Looking at another 2 week wait. Oh well, I'm not gonna dwell on it.

[CyberCubed]

This episode didn't really have many jokes compared to the past few. Only a few lines amused me.

[BabyTurtles]

Wasn't feeling this one. Probably would have enjoyed this more if I didn't wait two weeks for it... Looking at another 2 week wait. Oh well, I'm not gonna dwell on it.

plz say thats not happening again :cry:

[Jephael]

I did like the fact that they were eating something other than pizza for a change. As a guy who's addicted to Ramen noodles, I thought it was a nice touch.

[LH]

It was okay.

I'm a bit bummed out Don never told me how he got the Shellraiser working again, and the cockroach is gross.

I really want to know how he pulled that off as well.. Especially since we saw the pink lines that signaled the power cell energy running through the vehicle. :tconfuse:

[BabyTurtles]

I saw it again! XD it was funnier the second time!

[TheJ-manTurtleMan]

True, this episode didn't do much plot wise, but it was SO funny!!
It felt very much like a OT episode, and so many Terminator references!!

[CyberCubed]

Wasn't really too much like an OT episode. That show would have spent more time doing like two subplots at once rather than just fight a mutant all episode.

Really goes to show you how times have changed. Reminds me how in current superhero cartoons most of it is spent on fight scenes yet you go back and watch B:TAS and the fight scenes are brief and there's more emphasis on the story.

[BabyTurtles]

Wasn't really too much like an OT episode. That show would have spent more time doing like two subplots at once rather than just fight a mutant all episode.

Really goes to show you how times have changed. Reminds me how in current superhero cartoons most of it is spent on fight scenes yet you go back and watch B:TAS and the fight scenes are brief and there's more emphasis on the story.

but that happens in this TMNT too..... :-? it's just this episode was action-packed based on the terminator reference. "it came from the depths" didn't have alot of fighting in it for example

[CyberCubed]

I wonder why the mutagen gives some mutants the ability to talk and others not. I thought it had to be because they were human prior, but that doesn't work because:

- The Turtles can speak and weren't humans prior

- Leatherhead, Pidgeon Pete can speak and weren't humans.


Yet some mutants like Chong here cannot speak.

[BabyTurtles]

I wonder why the mutagen gives some mutants the ability to talk and others not. I thought it had to be because they were human prior, but that doesn't work because:

- The Turtles can speak and weren't humans prior

- Leatherhead, Pidgeon Pete can speak and weren't humans.


Yet some mutants like Chong here cannot speak.

well....Pigeon Pete mutated with human DNA.....Chong mutated with...well machine.... so I'm guessing thats the reason he can't talk.

[Zulithe]

I did like the fact that they were eating something other than pizza for a change. As a guy who's addicted to Ramen noodles, I thought it was a nice touch.

Oh, yeah. I didn't really notice that detail. That's what happens when Leo cooks I guess! He seems to be more in touch with their Japanese heritage so it's only natural that he would cook something like ramen! That and it's dead easy to make (he's probably not that much of a cook :p)

[Ninjinister]

I did like the fact that they were eating something other than pizza for a change. As a guy who's addicted to Ramen noodles, I thought it was a nice touch.

I literally groaned aloud when I saw the ramen. I haven't been eating anything but that for a bloody fortnight. Last thing I wanted to see was ramen again.

[Zulithe]

^ that's horrible! I couldn't stand eating it regularly. cost is a huge factor in any diet though. you have my sympathy! :p

when i do eat it i usually buy this kind:
http://kitchenkungfu.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/shin_ramyun1.jpg

it comes with a small packet of dried veggies (VERY small) and some spicy seasoning. Anyway, I recommend adding diced fresh veggies during the last minute or so of the cooking process. it really helps to mix it up. carrots, mushrooms, zucchini, cabbage, onions, whatever. use frozen if you want. and obviously, meat is a great addition too if you have any lying around. perfect use of leftover chicken/turkey that's for sure!

actually, if I wanted to save some money for a while on my meals, one idea would be to buy one of those pre-cooked chickens you find at the grocery store deli (like $6 or 8 usually), and use the meat/skin from it in noodles for a week. good way to spread it out.

too many people who eat ramen never bother to get creative with it!

[BabyTurtles]

mmm ramen is awesome!! I kinda feel like eating some now....

[tlg80]

Me and my nephew like it. I had never thought to add veggies to it. Sounds good.
The Raph episodes do seem weaker compared to the others. He was my second favorite turtle growing up. I do like him. Just wish the plot was stronger or a little different. I still like turtle temper. This one... Was just ok. It did have its moments.
Something tells me we will have to wait again for another episode. :ohwell:

[Shredded]

I'd rate it similarly to 'turtle temper' -- though maybe slightly better.

I don't have anything against raph-centric episodes (growing up he was always my favorite turtle), but so far they aren't ranking very well for me. I'm interested in rewatching it another time or two, but I don't predict it being a staple amongst my frequently watched episodes. I will say that the last few minutes where Raph decides to overcome his phobia was pretty awesome.

Note to nick: when using raph as a centerpiece for an episode, can we please have him doing more than trying to overcome some weakness? First it was his temper/anger (in 'turtle temper') and here it was a fear of cocroaches. All the other brothers seem to have more developed personalities than this.

Anyway. 8 more episodes in season 1 which is quite a lot. I absolutely love these 26 episode seasons!

Well... that honestly seem to be the structure when-ever they do an episode that centres around only one turtles.

They set up an inner difficulty, and the episode becomes about over-coming that inner difficulty.

Donatello learns not to overanalyze things to much, and not "think" in battle, Leo learns how to be a leader and not just do as they do in space-heroes, Raph learns to control his temper ect ect. It's just how these show writers write, it kind of follows the same formular as My little pony FiM actually in that regard.
The only exception to this rule seems to be Mikey for some reason, which is kind of a shame as he now is the turtle I would the most want to see over-come some inner conflict.

And then we have the big ensemble episodes which has started coming now, which are structred differently, because well, they are ensemble episodes and that's nice.

The formular was much more obvious and present in the begining of the show, as that seemed how it worked every single episode, now the show has begun growing, so it's not always like that any-more. "TCRI" was their first episode without any actual moral or lesson in it, but just an action piece to move the plot forward and go where the plot demanded them to go.


So well, the thing I am saying is that it's the nature of how this show is written, and it's not only Raph

[Zulithe]

It's true, it's not only Raph that they write this way. But I do think that when they use raph as the centerpiece it tends to feel less nuanced in how it pans out. I don't know if I feel that way because of the writing or the voice acting or what.

[BabyTurtles]

I kinda hope we get a Mikey-centred episode with him dealing with a flaw he has...

I find it funny that the turtle that has the most problems (not paying attention, slacking off, wanting to have fun all the time) hasn't had an episode about them XDDDD

:3 it will come though~(trusting in Bradford was kinda a flaw??...?? was it?)

then again Mikey-centered episode are pretty awesome still~ XD

back too Raph XD his screams were funny!

also the way Raph stared at Leo...made me sad...he's like "i need a pep talk bro....." and Leo just stares and says nothing :(

[Bossa Nova]

Hmm, I'm still unsure how I felt about this episode. I liked it cause it was Raph centered, and I liked seeing him overcome a weakness even he was fully aware of. The brotherly interactions are always fun and Donnie and Mikey got in some pretty awesome fighting moves as well.

But still something feels off about it and I don't really know why. Were there new writers for this episode? Overall the entire episode just maybe felt a little...slow? Or perhaps like there was a few too many pauses or 'down time'? I'm not really sure. I like the overall concept, the whole roach mutant, Raph getting over his fear out of the need to protect his brothers, the Kraang revealing more of their dastardly plotting, but the whole execution felt kinda forced for some weird reason.

[Zulithe]

Hmmm it's past 2am and the ep is still not on iTunes :T They are late.

[Shredded]

I kinda hope we get a Mikey-centred episode with him dealing with a flaw he has...

I find it funny that the turtle that has the most problems (not paying attention, slacking off, wanting to have fun all the time) hasn't had an episode about them XDDDD

:3 it will come though~(trusting in Bradford was kinda a flaw??...?? was it?)

then again Mikey-centered episode are pretty awesome still~ XD

back too Raph XD his screams were funny!

also the way Raph stared at Leo...made me sad...he's like "i need a pep talk bro....." and Leo just stares and says nothing :(

you know.. Theres one thing in that sentence i have to disagree with. I dont think that this mikey is a slacker. I mean sure, in previous incarnations he was a slacker. But here i have yet to see him just laying around on his stomach. In fact it's when his brothers tries to relax themselves that he stirs things up. If he got his way, things would happen all the time! He doesn't like boring X)

He is very onfocused though, and relies on his brothers to always bail him out, so he doesnt have to take things to seriously. Which is a problem. He has a serious case of ADD. So it is very difficult for him to focus, concentrate or be deciplined. And yeah, we definately need and episode dealing with this! I say we put mikey in a situation where he needs to be calm and patient to figure it out. That oughta proof interesting.

Also i want an episode where donnie gets a case of cabin fewer. I can just imagine him being trapped some-where and then over-thinks it so much that he sends himself into a panick attack. Mikey on the other hand would be cool in that situation XD

[BubblyShell22]

I really liked this episode a lot. Yeah, it may have been filler, but I really liked how Raph overcame his fear and how he had to do it on his own. That was awesome. Too bad Mikey didn't get to name Chong. I thought for sure based on the ep name that he would call it The Cockroach Terminator, but he didn't. I loved the look Raph gave Leo, and the look Leo gave Raph in the Shellraiser. It was like Leo really couldn't think of anything to say, but I was hoping he would have at least put his hand on Raph's shoulder in a comforting gesture. Too bad they didn't get that diamond thing. And I wasn't the only one who sort of noticed that the drill looked like the Technodrome. That was what I yelled when I saw it. Overall, a pretty decent episode. Too bad we have to wait again for the next one though.

Fave quotes:

Mikey: Yeah, boy, Ramen!

Kraang: Kraang is on the diet known as gluten free. Kraang has lost thirteen Kraang units.

Mikey: Watch this. This is my favorite part. Hey, Donnie, can you make me a T-shirt?
Raph: Here's my favorite part. *throws Mikey*

Leo: Halt, Kraang.
Kraang: The halting of the Kraang is not something that the ones known as the Turtles will be doing to Kraang.
Leo: Oh, yes, Kraang, the halting of the Kraang is exactly what the ones known as--Just halt!
Don: Which do we save first? The English language, or the world?

Don: Raph, don't smash him! You'll kill him!
Raph: That's the idea!

Leo: You don't have to do this to prove you're not afraid.
Raph: It's because I'm afraid that I have to do this.

And that's it. See you in two weeks, guys.

[tlg80]

:lol: I love Leo talking in Kraang. I still can't figure out what Raph is saying. When he hears a sound. Before he freaks out and realizes its underneath the shell raiser. I don't know if I mentioned it, but I loved Raph's ride.
Kraang has been sassy of late. First saying "In Kraang's face!" Then the gluten free diet.
Oh yeah, the part where Leo cuts the roach's saw off was all kinds of gross! :sick:

[gobo]

What the hell was that white blob it transformed into?? :sick: I'm surprised that they never tried to give him any name other than Spy Roach #1. :tconfuse: Missed opportunity. Oh well. No name is better than an obvious drug reference.

[CyberCubed]

I'm secretly hoping they dropped the Chong name so they can call him Scumbug in his next appearance.

[snake]

Why are all of the posts above discussing the episode before it aired? Is my computer just showing the wrong time that you guys made those posts? :-?

As for the episode, it was one of the worst ones yet, just as bad as turtle temper. Funny how the Raphael episodes have bee the worst so far (IMO). I was very surprised we didn't see Splinter or April at all, and the episode just felt, kind of rushed. It did not move the story along at all, and the episode just wasn't funny. I really didn't like the story all that much either. The spy roach (what happened to Chong?) was disgusting and not really interesting. I suppose it was cool to see a mutant that was part tech, but that's about it. All in all, this was not worth the wait. One thing I did notice though is a technodrome cameo of sorts. The Kraang's drill looked like a modern technodrome, it even had an eye on it.

To be honest, I think turtle temper is a lot better then this!

What the hell was that white blob it transformed into?? :sick: I'm surprised that they never tried to give him any name other than Spy Roach #1. :tconfuse: Missed opportunity. Oh well. No name is better than an obvious drug reference.

Nope, Chong was a reference to the guy who helped with the show, Ciro said it

[plasticturtle]

I was half expecting Raph to end up apologizing to the roach and it backing off. But, nope, he just splatted it. What measure is a non cute?

This is probably my least favorite episode. Not to say I didn't enjoy it. I did. I just enjoyed all the other episodes more.

[TheJ-manTurtleMan]

It's amusing to see how divided people are on this episode
Aslo, does anyone else miss Space Heroes?! :twink:

[Guitar_Raph]

Was Raph driving a go-cart or a tri-wheeled motorcycle?

[BMo]

Was Raph driving a go-cart or a tri-wheeled motorcycle?

He was driving the Ninja Stealth Bike.

http://www.brandonmorris.info/nsb.jpg

It's a toy that was released with the launch of the line. Most places still have it up for sale, K-Mart for 17.99 even. I can't wait to see someone repaint one to look show accurate.

[Luigiperps]

Hey guys, do you think the lego "stealth shell" is based on the ninja stealth ball.

[CyberCubed]

I think people aren't used to the idea of fillers following heavy plot centric episodes so this episode is taking a lot of heat for that.

People wanted to see April confused about why the Kraang were after her, the Turtles at least mentioning Leatherhead, and so forth. But we just got the Turtles trying to spy on them.

This episode was OK, but coming directly after the previous one doesn't so it any favors.

[gobo]

does anyone else miss Space Heroes?! :twink:
I never aimed at them before. :trazz:

[Sage Ninja]

this was a funny episode, it seems to becoming a staple of Raphael's character to have entomophobia, for some reason I rather like it; it seems to oddly fit his nature. Though I didn't think it should have dominated the episodes plot the way that it did. In the 2k3 series Raph's entomophobia was played for laughs but it was subtle it never dominated in an episode other than to show Raph displaying a more extreme emotional responce than he would have otherwise acted. I think this episode would have been better if that aspect had been played more subtley than have Raph's aversion take center stage the whole episode.

[Gwydion]

Does iTunes still not have it up? If not, that's certainly interesting considering it is actually up on Nick's website already (man is their uploading erratic...).

I wanted to like this episode a lot more than I actually did. It had it's moments, but ultimately fell short for me, and I don't even have anything against "filler" episodes. I have to agree with Bossa Nova - something just felt off, and I can't quite put my finger on what. I will say that the humor seemed to miss more than it hit for me. Don't think it's my least favorite episode, but it's down there.

I did enjoy some things, though, like Raph admitting his weakness, feeling guilty about it, and eventually facing it in a pretty fun chase scene (kinda want his stealth bike now). And the action sequences were good as always. Eh, maybe after two weeks my expectations were just set too high.

[TheJ-manTurtleMan]

I never aimed at them before. :trazz:

Ha! I see what you did there:twink:

[Coola Yagami]

http://markandpaigerodriguez.blogspot.com/2013/03/nicktoons-tmnt-episode-18-cockroach.html

My thoughts. Was I the only one disappointed the roach couldn't talk and was a bad guy?

[STORMSHADOW__210]

After reading this thread I feel kind of alone in the fact I really loved this episode. It was actually one of my favorites so far. Not really an outstanding plot but I really enjoyed the brother interaction in this episode. Especially the almost silent understanding displayed between Leo and Raph when the latter wished to final confront what he was afraid of.

I also really though Raph was great in this episode. I think it is an important message to not allow your fears to control you and that by facing them you really do become a stronger individual. Not quiet as dynamic as when Leo faced the Elite after his defeat by them in the 4Kids cartoon but I thought it kind of echoed the same idea of looking inside yourself to overcome.

It does timeline wise feel a little out of place, in the fact April is never brought up. But I was pleased the guys seemed to actually know they needed to face the Krang in this episode and that they couldn't back down and leave the fight for later as we have seen them do in a couple of different episodes now against different advisories. (The one personal thing about this series that kind of annoys me)

I was also pleased Mikey was the only one that thought of going to get big spray to use against the spy roach. Even though it didn't completely pan out it was nice to see him be proactive!

I admit, i don't think this was a bad episode, just not one of my favorites.However, you make a excellent point.The silent communications between Ralph and Leo was pretty cool.

[Raph's Girl]

Ok so before she was mutated the roach actually had a bit of a personality all her own. When Don was all like "Lets spy on those Kraang!" the little roach seemed excited by this by jumping up and down and being all "Yay!"...that was pretty cute.

The secondary mutation was rather gross indeed. If you could call it a secondary mutation. She simply moulted and didn't grow her carapace as of yet.

Yeah Im refering to the roach as a female. Why? It threw eggs at Raph that exploded...and seems to be growing back (clonage!) from another egg.

As for Raph's fear of bugs. At least he admited his fault and felt sorry he was letting the team down because of his "weakness". Mikey was just being mean by poking fun of him for his phobia.

Oh and the Kraang being on a gluten free diet is just hilarious. But nice to know they eat human food..

Also, anybody else notice that the laser drill resembled the technodrome??

[Coola Yagami]

Ok so before she was mutated the roach actually had a bit of a personality all her own. When Don was all like "Lets spy on those Kraang!" the little roach seemed excited by this by jumping up and down and being all "Yay!"...that was pretty cute.

The secondary mutation was rather gross indeed. If you could call it a secondary mutation. She simply moulted and didn't grow her carapace as of yet.

Yeah Im refering to the roach as a female. Why? It threw eggs at Raph that exploded...and seems to be growing back (clonage!) from another egg.

As for Raph's fear of bugs. At least he admited his fault and felt sorry he was letting the team down because of his "weakness". Mikey was just being mean by poking fun of him for his phobia.

Oh and the Kraang being on a gluten free diet is just hilarious. But nice to know they eat human food..

Exactly. If they were going for the Terminator vibe, they should have had the mutated roach just 'continue with its mission' and help the Turtles spy on and defeat the Kraang. The Turtles just seem to instantly attack whenever they see a new mutant without giving it time to explain itself.

[Gwydion]

http://markandpaigerodriguez.blogspot.com/2013/03/nicktoons-tmnt-episode-18-cockroach.html

My thoughts. Was I the only one disappointed the roach couldn't talk and was a bad guy?
You're not the only one - I kept thinking same as you, that the roach wasn't exactly evil. I was waiting for one of them to try talking to it, and was kind of hoping it really had overheard Raph begging for forgiveness (though the WET CEMENT sign made it kind of obvious that wouldn't happen).

[ironman29758]

Raph and Mikey to me had the best moments of this episode. Love them showing more of Mike's prankster personality and Raphael was fantastic.

I knew I wasn't the only one who noticed the Technadrome looking laser drill.

[Penst0ck]

Now don't get me wrong, the ep was great fun to watch. But I just feel like it's out of place for being RIGHT AFTER that major twist we got in "TCRI". I guess this was suposed to be a breather episode, but this was just a plain distraction from the escentual plot the series might be going towards. just OOO look the Kraang had another plan to destroy the earth oooo then episode ensues.

[alliance]

EXCELLENT EPISODE!!!!!

it was funny and simply awesome, loved every second of it,

[Gokhan]

Did raph remind anyone else of chucky at the beginning when he was yelling and trying to stab the roach with his sai

[Mondo_Gecko]

I have to say, wasn't the biggest fan of this episode.

While there was stuff I really liked such as Raph's fear of cockroaches, Raph and Leo sharing a silent glance and Raph confronting his fear, this episode was just filler. Plain and simple.

The main issue and something I continue to have gripes with is the usage of mutagen, from Rockwell to SpiderBytez, the writers seem to go back and forth on it's effects depending on what they want to focus on in that episode rather then making it a consistent property.

So how does a roach with a helmet cam become a cyborg? Honestly because the writers wanted it that way. And that is where I shake my head. Was there there a reason why Spyroach had to be a mutant instead of let's say, an alien cockroach from Dimension X or even a robot cockroach for that matter? It would have served the same purpose, allowed Raph to eventually conquer his fear without playing fast and loose with the compounds of mutagen. And this is a problem that keeps occurring. I'm not even mad as a fan, I'm annoyed at the bad writing.

And honestly if you're going to bring in a mutant cockroach, it might as well be Scumbug. His origin was always one of my favorites. Exterminator gets mutated into the thing he kills, cockroaches. Genius. And who better to go after the Turtles then a mutated exterminator with an axe to grind. Episode sells itself.

I truly love the show but I'm getting tired with just using Mutagen as an alien compound free for all. Here are some examples.

Why does SpiderBytez resemble a giant spider rather then an anthropomorphic spider?

Why does Rockwell mutate into a monkey but loose the ability of speech and his personality?

And why does FishFace have no legs?

What was the point of Justin?

So now that my properties of Mutagen rant is over, I list my other grievances with this episode.

Where was April? Why wasn't she discussed/mentioned?

What was the purpose of the Kraang plot? Was it relevant to the overall arc?

[Sage Ninja]

The Turtles just seem to instantly attack whenever they see a new mutant without giving it time to explain itself
the roach looked threatening thats why the turtles made the snap decision to attack it, plus I think the turtles are leary of mutants since most, even Leatherhead, have had the unfortunate habit of attacking them and being churlish. But...yeah, they all did seem "eww, a roach--kill it!"

[ToTheNines]

Hate to rag on the guy, but this is another stinker written by Jeremy Shipp. Hope he doesn't come back next season.

[cryan]

I liked the episode but not following up on the TCRI episode was a bit of a letdown. They left that episode on a really amazing twist then "lets go off in another tangent". Well get back to the April/Kraang connection later. I really hate when writers do that.

[Coola Yagami]

Why does SpiderBytez resemble a radish Pokoemon rather then an anthropomorphic spider?

Why does Rockwell mutate into a monkey but loose the ability of speech and his personality?

And why does FishFace have no legs?

What was the point of Justin?

So now that my properties of Mutagen rant is over, I list my other grievances with this episode.

Where was April? Why wasn't she discussed/mentioned?

What was the purpose of the Kraang plot? Was it relevant to the overall arc?

Fixed it for ya. Honestly.. if it wasn't for the weird spider legs sticking out of his head (why???) I never would have seen Spider Bytes and think 'mutant spider'. As for Rockwell, it seemed he just turned into a monkey. Not a mutant monkey... just... a monkey. Honestly, put him in the zoo, you'd never know the difference. Why does Pigeon Pete have rotten eggs sticking out all over his body? The 2012 Mutagen is all kinds of ****ed up. We're lucky the Turtles don't have extra spikes and shells and whatnot all over them.

[Kunoichi_Haruko]

The 2012 Mutagen is all kinds of ****ed up. We're lucky the Turtles don't have extra spikes and shells and whatnot all over them.

I was under the impression that the mutagen we're seeing now has been altered from the stuff that splashed on Splinter and the Turtles 15 years ago, which would explain why the current mutants are all kinds of jacked right now. Never f*ck with the formula....

[CyberCubed]

Hate to rag on the guy, but this is another stinker written by Jeremy Shipp. Hope he doesn't come back next season.

It's a shame if he stays on but the other talented writers got given the boot.

[Zulithe]

It's still not up on iTunes -__-

This is the first time I think they've been so late on a TMNT episode.

[drewizzle88]

It's still not up on iTunes -__-

This is the first time I think they've been so late on a TMNT episode.

Ive been checking off on and on as well, disappointing I can't wait to see it.

[Zulithe]

Ive been checking off on and on as well, disappointing I can't wait to see it.

I e-mailed them... but i'm sure it will appear on the store before I get a reply. I hope? The last time I thought they missed an episode they actually split off to "season 2" but it's way too early for them to do that again.

[BabyTurtles]

I e-mailed them... but i'm sure it will appear on the store before I get a reply. I hope? The last time I thought they missed an episode they actually split off to "season 2" but it's way too early for them to do that again.

i hope not 0_0

[Sleepingseeker]

Loved seeing Raphael unable to control his fear...
Loved that the roach wanted to kill Raph not actually be his friend as I've seen in other stories, lol...
Loved that non-dialogue scene between Leo and Raph, that's what makes this show stand out, the non-dialogue exchanges, can't get enough...

Okay, big science fiction fan here and The Terminator is one of my all-time fav movies. So, did anyone get the reference to the movie when the robo-roach rises from the over-turned blazing truck? I was nearly jumping out of my seat saying, OO! I get it! Just like Terminator!!

[Sleepingseeker]

Also, anybody else notice that the laser drill resembled the technodrome??

I had that same thought!

[Zulithe]

I got a reply from Apple customer support. That was fast.

They told me Nick has not provided them with the episode yet.

[TheSmartOne]

Finally got to watch this one right now, after a day of running around. I got to say, I was kind of disappointed. Not that I didn't enjoy parts of it, but the camera work was really bizarre for this episode and the pacing was terrible. It was like watching a five year old kid trying to act out a story: "AND THEN THEY WENT TO THE LAB, AND THEY FOUND OUT THAT THE BAD GUYS HAD AN EVIL PLAN. BUT THEN A GIANT COCKROACH ATTACKED AND THEY HAD TO ESCAPE, SO THEY WENT TO THIS ONE PLACE AND STOPPED THE BAD GUYS, BUT OHNO, COCKROACH!"

Raph really got the short end of the stick. He hasn't had an episode to himself for a while and it was his chance to really shine.
Come on, Nick. I know you're better then this!

[CyberCubed]

Anyone notice this was the same Kraang facility as the one from the first episode? This was where they fought Snakeweed and the heliport.

[TheSmartOne]

Anyone notice this was the same Kraang facility as the one from the first episode? This was where they fought Snakeweed and the heliport.

It's probably due to the fact that they recycle a lot of the scenes. Making a 3D set takes a lot of time, due to the modelling/texturing. They can kind of get away with reusing Kraang stuff, since they don't seem like a particularly creative species >___>

...On a random note, I'd love to hear the explanation as to how no one thought it weird when a bunch of guys in business suits all decided to build heavily fortified bases in various areas of New York >_> Nope, nothing fishy there.

[Guitar_Raph]

He was driving the Ninja Stealth Bike.

http://www.brandonmorris.info/nsb.jpg

The Motorcycle streak continues for Raphael!!!

6 more TMNT incarnations & we have a 300 game! (bowling)

[drewizzle88]

I got a reply from Apple customer support. That was fast.

They told me Nick has not provided them with the episode yet.

that was fast, thanks for the update! :tsmile:

[Miles]

This wasn't my favorite episode; the show itself has been wearing on me a little bit as of late. I think it's partially the animation style as well as the incredibly rapid pace of...well, just about everything.

Maybe I'm just getting old, lol. I feel like I need to be hopped up on something just to keep up with all the visuals.

Or take some Dramamine. :D

As far as the roach, the last iteration I found just plain offensive. Like not in a "cool" way, but in a "now I'm just turned completely off way". Something about that belly button? Makes me :sick: like nothing else. (Of course growing up, I thought Ren and Stimpy was too gross for my taste as well...)

Hopefully things even out a bit plot-wise in the future. I mean I was ADHD as a kid, but this... :roll:

[Hieronymus]

Love when they open an episode in the lair, training, watching t.v. or enjoying a meal. :P The nick version of the lair looks great, think a filler episode spent in the lair training would be awesome. Hoping the Kraang make it underground, would love to see a new incarnation of the technodrome.

[LH]

I got a reply from Apple customer support. That was fast.

They told me Nick has not provided them with the episode yet.

That is very strange.. Normally the episodes are available shortly after midnight on the west coast..:tconfuse:

[BabyTurtles]

I liked the part when Raph was climbing up the drill XD
IDK it just looked funny XD

Mikey too some revenge on Raph this episode (for all those smackings XD)

[Donatello19]

Here's something interesting to note, this is so far the only episode that Splinter doesn't appear in.

[snake]

Finally got to watch this one right now, after a day of running around. I got to say, I was kind of disappointed. Not that I didn't enjoy parts of it, but the camera work was really bizarre for this episode and the pacing was terrible. It was like watching a five year old kid trying to act out a story: "AND THEN THEY WENT TO THE LAB, AND THEY FOUND OUT THAT THE BAD GUYS HAD AN EVIL PLAN. BUT THEN A GIANT COCKROACH ATTACKED AND THEY HAD TO ESCAPE, SO THEY WENT TO THIS ONE PLACE AND STOPPED THE BAD GUYS, BUT OHNO, COCKROACH!"

Raph really got the short end of the stick. He hasn't had an episode to himself for a while and it was his chance to really shine.
Come on, Nick. I know you're better then this!

My little bro (5) discribes the episodes like that, his recap for this one was hilarious
"THE TURTLES FOUND A BUG AND RAPH TRIED TO KILL IT BUT IT WAS A MONSTER AND THE KRAANG HAVE A BIG DRILL AND THE BUG TRYS TO EAT THE TURTLES"

[snake]

I kinda hope we get a Mikey-centred episode with him dealing with a flaw he has...

I find it funny that the turtle that has the most problems (not paying attention, slacking off, wanting to have fun all the time) hasn't had an episode about them XDDDD

:3 it will come though~(trusting in Bradford was kinda a flaw??...?? was it?)

then again Mikey-centered episode are pretty awesome still~ XD

back too Raph XD his screams were funny!

also the way Raph stared at Leo...made me sad...he's like "i need a pep talk bro....." and Leo just stares and says nothing :(

Dont forget that mikey has ADHD, we could have an episode about that...

[NinjaPug]

This episode just felt like it should've been one of the first five or six shown. It was a bad episode to begin with but following TCRI made it worse.

[CyberCubed]

I don't think the premise was bad, it was just with a lot of padding.

Also I'm starting to notice the episodes with the Turtles always in their vehicles are a bit weaker than all the others.

[BabyTurtles]

I Think the episode itself was fine!

but it was right after a cliffhanger....so maybe thats why some people are a little sore about it :3

this would of been cool maybe 2 episodes after TCRI

:D I still loved it though.

[Zulithe]

So yeah it's funny how you can view the episode on nick.com but still no itunes. what a failure for us paying customers

http://www.nick.com/videos/clip/tmnt-118-full-episode.html

[BabyTurtles]

we'll get it eventually :3

[TheCanadiandrome]

I liked the ep! very cool!

[TheSmartOne]

My little bro (5) discribes the episodes like that, his recap for this one was hilarious
"THE TURTLES FOUND A BUG AND RAPH TRIED TO KILL IT BUT IT WAS A MONSTER AND THE KRAANG HAVE A BIG DRILL AND THE BUG TRYS TO EAT THE TURTLES"


XDD D'awww. SEE, IT'S CUTE WHEN HE DOES IT. Not so cute when it feels like the show is doing it though :( I NEED MY TV TO BE AT LEAST TEN YEARS OF AGE AND TO SPEAK IN COHERENT SENTENCES.
Though I did like the silent Raph/Leo stare. I was just kind of hoping for more. More denial on Raph's part. He sort of gave up on any pretence of being afraid a little too early. It kind of felt out of character. I also expected Leo to make a bit more of an attempt to get Raph's head in the game. He just kind of gave him looks and made him feel guilty. He was really in leader mode this time around and that's great, but while a leader has to look out for the team as a whole, they also have to deal with the issues of the individuals. Leo sent Raph home when he thought Raph's temper was a problem. How come he just decided to do/say nothing when his younger brother clearly has an issue with keeping his head on around a giant cockroach? Heck, Leo didn't even have to say anything. The series does a remarkable job at the subtle some times. They could have pushed something along those lines some other way.

Eh....they missed the mark with a lot on this one. I feel they really could have done better. Plus the cameras... I swear, there was something weeeeird going on with the camera work in this one >_o

Though I will admit, I laughed really loudly when Mike made Raph thing there was a roach in his shell xD And when Leo called Donnie special.

[NinjaPug]

This is the only episode so far that I've had no desire to see again. It's good that others enjoyed it but I found myself wanting it to be over almost as soon as it started.

[CyberCubed]

I liked this one more than Spiderbitez episode and the Pulverizer episode.

The cockroach mutant was a fun idea, I just wish he had an actual character.

[Yorae]

I think the main issue with this episode is that it came right after TCRI and did not pick up any of the loose threads from TCRI whatsoever. The fact that we had to wait two weeks for it did not help either.

Still, I really liked the episode. There wasn’t a dull moment from start to finish. The most memorable parts for me were:

- Raph’s freak-outs throughout the episode. His completely irrational behavior shows how severe his phobia is.

- Raph’s apology to his brothers. To me that shows maturity in his character. I don’t think the Raph from the earlier episodes would have apologized like that.

- Raph’s apology to Spy Roach (that anime-style scene of him raging on a skipping Mikey made me laugh out loud. I hope to see them using that style more often!)

- Mike and Don’s tag team attack on Spy Roach. Really Cool!

- Leo hitting the trashcan with a golf club and Mikey bashing it with his head. LOL moment!

- When Raph shot that last manhole and hit Spy Roach in the groin.

- The silent glance between Leo and Raph.

- Raph climbing the drill.

- Raph’s face off with the Roach at the end. I thought it was extremely cool and right in Raph’s element. I hope we’ll see a face off like that between Raph and Casey someday.

- Raph catching his helmet at the end of the brawl.

[BabyTurtles]

- Raph climbing the drill.


YES! I'm glad I wasn't the only one that thought that was funny XD

also is Mikey ambidextrous?...cause he ate the pizza gyoza with his right hand...but fed Leatherhead and ate ramen(in the latest ep) with this left hand 0_0??

[Shredded]

Okay finally I can see the episode, phew.

Okay, I can see what they wanted to do, they wanted to make this into a scary one, a horror themed episode. The objective here was to give the kids a good scare.

if it worked or not, I don't know, I don't know if I would have been scared if I was smaller seeing this in tely. As an adult, I was just slightly disturbed by it from time to time.

And perhaps I can see what this episode and the Turtle temper episode has in common that just feels a little odd.
The entire team being angry at Raph for reacting in a way that is actually sort of understandable, and then gave him **** about it sending him away.
They were angry at him in Turtle Temper, when it was that guy just keeping poking to Raph, many people would have reacted like Raph did, so it felt a little unnecary to give him that much garbage about it.

And here.. dude, what Raph was show-casing, was a phobia, a genuine phobia. Phobias has no rime or reason, and you don't just conqour it like that, that he did shows how badass he is.
No need for Leo to shout at him for it, be a little more understanding. and no need for the other two to join in on the shouting, he was all-ready feeling bad about it and himself. He was cowering in shame while you shouted at him.
You don't kick a guy when he is all-ready down, that feels uncomfortable, and it feels like that was what the turtles were doing to poor Raph.

So well, that does leave off a sort of uncomfortable vibe in the group, and I can see how that would repell a lot of people.

heh, one thing no-one has mentioned in this episode but I couldn't help to raise an eye-brow at.
God dammit it was convienent for the turtles that two Krangs just stood there telling about their plans in detail, that to me seemed.. kind of to convinent.
Couldn't the cockroach at least have crawled into a meeting room where a bunch of Krang is getting briefed on what they are going to do, or hack into a computer that tells what they are going to do.
I mean.. wauw, two krangs just standing in the hall-way talking about what they are going to do, when kind.. both of them should know shouldn't it? Why are they standing in the hall-way talking about it.

"By the way Krang, remember the big thing we are going to do tonight?"
"You mean the big thing with the drill?"
"Yes the drill we are going to use to drill to the centre of earth with."
"Oh yeah, the thing with the drill, I have a map right here, lets put it up for no reason other than if some enemy is watching."

?

that was just a tad bit to silly and convinient to me.


But well in positive, it's nice to see that this show is not afraid of playing around, and is willing to try and go for the scares, this show wants to be scary ones in a while and scare the crap out of kids.
The episode I think succeeded the best at this was. "The gauntlet." where the introduction of Shredder, was a genuinely scary one.
"I'Monster." as well made an admirable attempt at a scary atmopshere, and it's nice to see they are willing to just go for it, I am looking forward to see what they are going to do in the future with their horror episodes.

I do agree though, that it now feels sort of annoying that this episode seemed to put all of the running archs on a stand-still, we just had four or five episodes in a row, all of them moving the story arch forward.

Personally I am more interested in the Shredder, Karai, Dogpound and Fishface than I am the Krang, and want to see more of them soon. But perhaps that is just me.
Either arch would be fine, and yeah it is annoying to be put on a stand still when I just want to know more.

Still, the fact that I want to know so badly that I become frustrated when they don't tell me at ones, is a good sign, it means the show is good enough that it involved me on a deeply interested level.

Gotta agree, this episode was merely okay. I still don't think this show has made one single down-right bad episode, the message is always genuine and a good one, and this one to. but I do find it to be a medi-ocre episode with otherwise great potential.

The idea of a Terminator tribute where Raph has a genuine fear of Cockroaches, and it's a Cockreach-inator chasing him, is a good idea! there is potential for build-up, scares and a awesome climax, but it does feel like it could have been handled better.

What if they had just removed the Krang and the entire drill subplot? what if it had just been Raph, in the sewers, trying to over-come his fear as the unstoppable roach is after him?
In a closed space such as the sewer, with dark shadows, and there is no drill, but just focus on Raphs fear, and the cockroach taking out his brothers one by one, until he is alone against it.

I think that could have been great.

[DVD]

Just watched it.
I liked it. It only got one laugh out loud moment from me tho.
It was just a big chase episode, and I liked all the Terminator rips, and the use of the stealth cycle (I gotta get one now!) and the sewer lid firing gizmo ; so 1980s toys in action.
I might have thought the drill was the Technodrome, but I'd read a couple of these points before watching.
Ah we'll, back to classic Turtles for another week (or two)..

[BMo]

Just watched it again and I love it even more now. Maybe it's because I like Raph, I dunno, but this one was just really funny and fun with some great action.

[blue_angel99]

I've been scared of roaches since I was four.

Why are the krang digging into the earth? Could there be "something" down there?

[gobo]

Why are the krang digging into the earth? Could there be "something" down there?
Yeah. Lava Magma. They're DimensionXaforming Earth.

[tmntfan4ever]

im surprised no 1 mentioned the similarities Raph's stealth bike had similarities to the Dark Knight's Bat Tumbler & Bat Pod kinda like a hybrid of the 2. esp with the scene of when Raph hides in the stealth bike to have the cockroach terminator lose sight of him similar to how Batman loses the cops temporarily when he shuts off the lights to the Bat tumbler.
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[MrTMNT2012]

I loved this Episode! Glad Raph got the spotlight (albeit it was a pointless character arc) but what stole the show was the interactions between the characters which was at its best in this episode.

I'm okay with filler Episodes since we still got 8 Episodes to wrap everything up so it was nice to get one last 'fun' episode before we get on the serious stuff. Chong was really cool, probably my favourite new mutant so far and the final fight with Raph was perfect.

Cool, funny Episode! 8.2/10

[Kunoichi_Haruko]

im surprised no 1 mentioned the similarities Raph's stealth bike had similarities to the Dark Knight's Bat Tumbler & Bat Pod kinda like a hybrid of the 2. esp with the scene of when Raph hides in the stealth bike to have the cockroach terminator lose sight of him similar to how Batman loses the cops temporarily when he shuts off the lights to the Bat tumbler.
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Honestly, it was all I could think about when I first saw it, especially when he crashed it into the Kraang base. Half expected to see the Joker walking/skipping towards it in the next shot.

[snake]

Am i the only one who thoguht raphs voice sounded different in this episode?

[CyberCubed]

Am i the only one who thoguht raphs voice sounded different in this episode?

Only when he was screaming, but that's because he purposely made it high-pitched.

[snake]

Only when he was screaming, but that's because he purposely made it high-pitched.

No, even when he was talking normally.

[Shredded]

I think he was in genneral a little higher pitched because he was acting that he was desperately trying to hide how scarred he was.
He did spend eighty percent of the episode scarred and hyperventilating after-all.

But you know, as long as he doesn't suddenly go. "Don't worry Mr. Frodo, i'll safe you."

I think we are oki.

Man I can't believe no one has made any lord of the rings jokes yet, i mean, Sean Astin has been gone for a long time, and then he comes back as Raphael the hot tempered turtle. Am I the only one finding that both awesome and funny?
After-all, he was the most badass hobbit in history. "No I can't carry your burden mr. Frodo... BUT I CAN CARRY YOU!"
Bad-ass is in his bones :tcool:

[BubblyShell22]

Yeah, his voice was high pitched because he was scared and trying his best not to show it at times. He was trying to act normal, but he was still scared. I thought Sean did a great job in this ep with Raph. The scream was hilarious.

[turtlefan1]

this episode was uncomortable for me to watch i not a big roach fan and it second form after molting while i advise not eating for awhile after watching this one ugh.

[sdp]

It was alright, his fear was overplayed too much and it got boring but I loved the mutant, much better than spyderbites or snakeweed or pidgeon pete. Fun episode but it felt it needed a better subplot.

[JH24]

It was an okay episode, but personally I would rank it even lower than Spiderbytes.


I just couldn't get into this episode as much, and I felt that they overplayed Raph's phobia.

The willingness of the turtles to kill the mutated roach without a second thought disturbed me a bit. I don't think they even tried once to reason with it. Raph saying he was sorry would have made for a nicer, more serious scene if he had done it when the roach was nearby.


The second form of the roach was pretty weird as well and ruined it a bit for me as well, I thought the roach looked good in its first form.


There were some good moments (especially the Leo/Kraang scene) but overall this episode didn't do it for me.

[ironman29758]

Like I said in another forum, I know people weren't big fans of the episode and thought it was a filler but you can't deny it's great character moments and development it had for each character. It was the little moments that made the episode for me. The plot may not have been great episode although I can agree some of it was a little exaggerated and too much but I can appreciate the episode enough for the moments.

[Powder]

I don't get how I'm one of the only people who thought this was a particularly good episode...

[CyberCubed]

I wonder why they didn't name him in the episode. What is the toy called? Perhaps they ditched the Chong name?

[Ninjinister]

this episode was uncomortable for me to watch i not a big roach fan and it second form after molting while i advise not eating for awhile after watching this one ugh.

I ate while watching it! It wasn't really all that bad.

So "Chong" (what I will continue to call the cockroach) is dead, essentially. What we might see in the future is Chong Jr.?

[tmnt transformer]

I don't get how I'm one of the only people who thought this was a particularly good episode...

I'm with you on that, I liked this episode.

[Slade]

Well....first one I didn't like. Not even because its filler. I think Turtle Trmper is better, but just like that episode I feel they have Raph "learn his lesson" only to forget it all in the end.

The final battle was the only part I liked.

[ironman29758]

I don't get how I'm one of the only people who thought this was a particularly good episode...

Hey you got me man. It was a good episode.

[TheJ-manTurtleMan]

I don't get how I'm one of the only people who thought this was a particularly good episode...

I loved it! Thought it was hilarious, and I'm also a huge terminator fan!

[LH]

I don't get how I'm one of the only people who thought this was a particularly good episode...

I liked this episode! I just wish we would have had slightly more continuity in it. As a standalone story it was great! :twink::tthumbsu:

[BabyTurtles]

I don't get how I'm one of the only people who thought this was a particularly good episode...

I liked it too!! XD

[DVD]

I don't get how I'm one of the only people who thought this was a particularly good episode...

Nope. Not alone. It was a good episode. The Spy Roach will make a great figure as well.
I think the only thing most people were concerned about was that two weeks ago we ended on a cliffhanger, and that was forgotten about with this episode. So continuity rather than the actual episode is the issue.
Anyway, good, action packed, Terminator styled and fun. What more can you want?

[BabyTurtles]

Nope. Not alone. It was a good episode. The Spy Roach will make a great figure as well.
I think the only thing most people were concerned about was that two weeks ago we ended on a cliffhanger, and that was forgotten about with this episode. So continuity rather than the actual episode is the issue.
Anyway, good, action packed, Terminator styled and fun. What more can you want?

I feel like this "every other week thing" is gonna mess us up :(

whenever I wait to long for an episode, I expect it to be better......and my expectations go to high..........I just want the schedule to get back on track.

[Shark_Blade]

This episode just confirms my fear of cockroaches. :P I actually felt sorry for Raph.

Was an entertaining filler episode. Can't wait for them to get back to the main plot.

[Gwydion]

Nope. Not alone. It was a good episode. The Spy Roach will make a great figure as well.
I think the only thing most people were concerned about was that two weeks ago we ended on a cliffhanger, and that was forgotten about with this episode. So continuity rather than the actual episode is the issue.
Anyway, good, action packed, Terminator styled and fun. What more can you want?
Actually, I'm not real concerned with the cliffhanger ending. It seemed a little odd that it wasn't even mentioned off hand (like they were spying on the Kraang to try and figure out why they wanted April, for example), but I wasn't waiting for two weeks hoping to move that plot point further.

The episode just felt off to me purely on it's own accord (but, again, that doesn't mean I didn't enjoy parts of it - there hasn't been any episode yet I've truly disliked).

Also, I too thought Sean Astin did a pretty good job with this episode - I've really been enjoying him as Raph. I keep waiting for an excuse to come up for him to say "potatoes", lol.

[BubblyShell22]

Powder, you're not alone. I loved this episode a lot. It was great.

[BabyTurtles]

this fight scene was my favorite! team work!!

http://25.media.tumblr.com/6c7f10ff8ec83eecb3236dc069daa0e7/tumblr_mjtotzvf7W1ql41ypo1_500.gif
http://25.media.tumblr.com/d7ee85ae0cabf0fb4ba3ca70d264ddeb/tumblr_mjtotzvf7W1ql41ypo2_500.gif

[Shark_Blade]

^Awesome fight sequence. Donnie/Mikey combo!

[Zulithe]

Finally up for us iTunes season passers! Time to re-enjoy it in 1080p goodness

[BabyTurtles]

Finally up for us iTunes season passers! Time to re-enjoy it in 1080p goodness

YAY!! time to re-watch Raph's freak-outs!! >:D

[TheSmartOne]

The Donnie/Mikey tag team was pretty awesome. I love it when they have those teamwork moments.

As for the lack of continuity, I kind of suspected from the moment the show's premise was released that it would have nothing to do with the TCRI episode, and I was content with the fact that I probably wasn't going to get some answers. I dunno...maybe I'll like it better when I watch it a second time around.

[drewizzle88]

Finally up for us iTunes season passers! Time to re-enjoy it in 1080p goodness

Downloading now :)

[blue_angel99]

I really enjoyed the background music played when Donny sends roach 1 into TCRI. Reminds me of Danny Elfman :tcool:

Fave quote:

Mikey: Lava surfing rules.

Since the episode is called "Cockroach Terminator", it could of used a couple of Schwartzenegger quotes.

[Orisue]

Not sure how I feel about this episode. I honestly didn't like it very much. The cockroach mutant thing just doesn't enthuse me as much as the other villians. I def won't be buying the figure. I'll give it another watch though hopefully it will change my mind lol:P

[Shark_Blade]

Not sure how I feel about this episode. I honestly didn't like it very much. The cockroach mutant thing just doesn't enthuse me as much as the other villians. I def won't be buying the figure. I'll give it another watch though hopefully it will change my mind lol:PI like the ep but I won't buy the figure .. it gives me the creeps! :lol:

I don't want cockroach!

[Luzmagica]

....Here another one who likes this episode! :tgrin::tgrin::tgrin: :tparty:

I think not so much a filler episode, they are investigating Kraang after knowing they are trying to find April...(she is probably at her aunt home)...

I like and enjoy all the episode! :thyper: :twink:

Adorable Michelangelo.....when he was talking Raph for be more good with him and let him to read more comics.... :lol: !!!
Also i like all the other tips mentioned before....Combo fight Don and Mikey, Batman-style cycle , Nice funny Terminator winks.... :lol:

Def. I :tlove: it and dont feel it so far from the main plot.....!

[Shark_Blade]

Can we appreciate how crazy Raph looked in here:

http://i.imgur.com/bw8nAdf.gif


The red lipstick is a bit too much for him, but okay.. :P

[Yorae]

Can we appreciate how crazy Raph looked in here:

http://i.imgur.com/bw8nAdf.gif

The red lipstick is a bit too much for him, but okay.. :P

I LOVED that part. Just look at Mikey. Such a little troll. :lol:

[Luzmagica]

Can we appreciate how crazy Raph looked in here:

http://i.imgur.com/bw8nAdf.gif


The red lipstick is a bit too much for him, but okay.. :P

I LOVED that part. Just look at Mikey. Such a little troll. :lol:

Thanks good turtles are well protected with the shell!!! :lol:

I also like a loot the face of Mikey ....when Don was talking he must turn off the signal for Spyroch.... and he was nodding! Pretty funny eyes!!!
Any one can post it????

[tlg80]

Can we appreciate how crazy Raph looked in here:

http://i.imgur.com/bw8nAdf.gif


The red lipstick is a bit too much for him, but okay.. :P

I loved that part. :tlol:

[Leogeddon]

It was pretty cool, some good points and some bad but overall very entertaining, I haven't laughed that much in a while. The new series is so awesome! The second stage for the roach was just weird looking and lost all insect like aspects of him other than the mouth and wings. I guess you could say he looked more larvae than actual roach. I wish they were able to do more with him but the ending suggests there may be something more to expect whether good or bad.

[Justin]

First episode I've seen since Turtle Temper, it was pretty enjoyable, especially Raphael's reactions.

[Teddy]

Where's the poll?? I wanna vote for "AHHH!! THAT IS A BIG COCKROACH!!" :tlol:

Well, I loved this episode!! Mostly because I'm a huge Raph fan, but it just made me laugh SO hard!! It was awesome! Raph's bug phobia is much more extreme in this series than 2K3, that's for sure!

I kind of thought his brothers were a little harsh, though. You'd think they'd be just a little more supportive of their brother being scared out of his freakin' mind. But whatever, I guess that's how brothers are.

Oh, and to those who thought the drill looked like the Technodrome: What are you basing that on? The fact that both are round?? Using that logic, the cockroach's round eggie things it was throwing at Raph also look "just like the Technodrome". I just feel that ya'll are reaching a little too far there, just my opinion though. ;)

[Donatello19]

Does anyone else think it's weird they're making a figure of the roach's first mutation if he's not even in that state anymore?

[BabyTurtles]

Does anyone else think it's weird they're making a figure of the roach's first mutation if he's not even in that state anymore?

maybe...but I think his first mutation looks cool XD

the second one just plain creeps me out! (but thats what it's supposed to do)

[Machias Banshee]

Alright, blew up the motherboard on my laptop, but we finally got the poll up!

Raph's girly shriek is awesome. :lol:

[tlg80]

:ohwell: sorry to hear about your laptop. That was a tough choice. But I voted for him freaking out over the roach having the saw. I don't blame him there.
All good ones.

[TheSmartOne]

I kind of thought his brothers were a little harsh, though. You'd think they'd be just a little more supportive of their brother being scared out of his freakin' mind. But whatever, I guess that's how brothers are.


Same here. Mikey was a dick about it, but at the same time, Mikey doesn't think, and I don't think it fully sunk in just how afraid Raph really was.
...Then again, considering how much crap poor Mikey puts up with, I can also see him basking in sweet revenge. I guess he would have shown a little more concern if Raph was about the get eaten or something. But Mikey's the little brother, and in my experience, they're the ones most likely to take joy when their mighty older siblings fail (My brother reeeeally loves to rub it in when I lose at super smash).


Gotta say though, I think the highlight of the episode was when Leo grabbed Raph and just dragged him outside XD
"HEY, SPYROACH! RAPH'S RIGHT HERE"
"YOU'RE USING ME AS BAIT!?"
Kind of cruel, but daaaayumn. The look on his face! 'Alright, that's it, screw this, we're doing this my way"

[BabyTurtles]

Same here. Mikey was a dick about it, but at the same time, Mikey doesn't think, and I don't think it fully sunk in just how afraid Raph really was.
...Then again, considering how much crap poor Mikey puts up with, I can also see him basking in sweet revenge. I guess he would have shown a little more concern if Raph was about the get eaten or something. But Mikey's the little brother, and in my experience, they're the ones most likely to take joy when their mighty older siblings fail (My brother reeeeally loves to rub it in when I lose at super smash).




I also feel bad for Raph not getting any sympathy....but I'm guessing it's because the others were thinking like this:

Donnie and Leo: Must. Save. WORLD!!
Mikey: revenge for all those smacks!!

they just didn't have time for Raph.....okay maybe Mikey did but can you blame him? XD

[CyberCubed]

I wish they showed Don's spy-roach a bit earlier in the season, it would have been nice foreshadowing rather than just debuting it right in this episode.

[gigglegeist]

I really like the trash talk and the apparent lack of sympathy they give to each other. It's not like not showing sympathy is a lack of sympathy, its just a different way of showing it. To me its "snap the hell out of it, you can do it, were frikkin teenage mutant ninja turtles! We always win!" kind of approach.

[Shark_Blade]

I'm having second thought. I wanna get the cockroach action figure when it's out. :P

[BMo]

Oh, and to those who thought the drill looked like the Technodrome: What are you basing that on? The fact that both are round?? Using that logic, the cockroach's round eggie things it was throwing at Raph also look "just like the Technodrome". I just feel that ya'll are reaching a little too far there, just my opinion though. ;)

I don't think it looks much like the Technodrome personally, I think it's just a coincidence. That being said I believe people are referring to the stage two Technodrome from Turtles Forever, just because that one at least looks similar.

http://brandonmorris.info/technodrome.jpg

[Luzmagica]

:lol: thanks for the poll! I miss it too!
I voted for : "He Has a SAW?! THE COCKROACH HAS A SAW!"

:tlol::tlol::tlol::tlol::tlol:!!!!! Raph faces in panic were so funny just because isnot so usual....! He use to be always more serious mode...He freaking out was so funny this time! :twink: :tlol:
Poor Raph! !! I think next chapter he will be so brave! ;)

[Galactus]

Didn't much care for this one overall although there was a few cool moments.

There seemed to be a disconnect between the last episode. I thought we'd get more on the portal storyline but it seems they moved on from that for now. Not to mention that the actual threat of the week deserved to be given more screentime in comparison to Raph's phobia story which at times seemed to be overplayed.

It was nice to see more of what the Shellraiser could do but again it seemed to be disconnected from the continuity of the previous two episodes were it was rendered pretty immobile given it was powered by the Kraang's power cell (a weird tactic to start with). Does that mean Don found another power source?

I don't know if this has been mentioned on the thread but it seemed liked there was a nice nod to Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns when Raph first goes into the stealth bike especialy as the bike itself was similar to the Batpod/Tumbler from the Dark Knight movies.

[Coola Yagami]

I don't know if this has been mentioned on the thread but it seemed liked there was a nice nod to Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns when Raph first goes into the stealth bike especialy as the bike itself was similar to the Batpod/Tumbler from the Dark Knight movies.

Exactly what my gf said. It reminded her exactly of the Tumbler from the Dark Knight trilogy. Especially the shell part when the camera shows overhead. Looked to be made of the same material of the Tumbler.

[TheSmartOne]

It was nice to see more of what the Shellraiser could do but again it seemed to be disconnected from the continuity of the previous two episodes were it was rendered pretty immobile given it was powered by the Kraang's power cell (a weird tactic to start with). Does that mean Don found another power source?.

o_o Damn, I completely forgot about that! Well. It was originally a subway car, so I guess Don must have found another way to supply the electricity. I think the only reason he used the power cell in the first place was because he's Donatello and he'd sooner jump off a cliff then miss out on a chance to use some really super advanced alien technology.
But I agree, it's a weird disconnect. The more I think about it, the more I'm starting to feel that this episode was actually meant to pop up earlier, but for whatever reason, they pushed it past the TCRI episode.

[CyberCubed]

the more I'm starting to feel that this episode was actually meant to pop up earlier, but for whatever reason, they pushed it past the TCRI episode.

Don says the spyroach was to spy on the Kraang in TCRI, which they didn't know about TCRI before the last episode, so it definitely doesn't take place earlier.

It is possible this episode aired a bit earlier than whatever came next though

[Clockwork]

Hi guys,

There was supposed to be a brief line explaining how the Shellraiser is up and running again:

INT. SHELLRAISER - NIGHT
Leo examines the engine block that sits where the power cell used to be.

LEONARDO
Diesel-electric, huh? Very nice.

Not sure why it was cut but obviously losing that line was a HUGE MISTAKE and they should feel bad for tampering with our genius and confusing all the attentive viewers.

- Kenny

[CyberCubed]

Hi guys,

There was supposed to be a brief line explaining how the Shellraiser is up and running again:

INT. SHELLRAISER - NIGHT
Leo examines the engine block that sits where the power cell used to be.

LEONARDO
Diesel-electric, huh? Very nice.

Not sure why it was cut but obviously losing that line was a HUGE MISTAKE and they should feel bad for tampering with our genius and confusing all the attentive viewers.

- Kenny

Was that cut out of the airing of the episode or in the initial editing of the episode? Meaning when the episode comes to DVD, was that scene still "filmed" or left out in the script phase?

[Clockwork]

I don't think this version was ever animated, because the rest of the dialogue from that scene ("We're going to spy on the Kraang with a cockroach!") was moved to the kitchen scene.

[TheSmartOne]

Don says the spyroach was to spy on the Kraang in TCRI, which they didn't know about TCRI before the last episode, so it definitely doesn't take place earlier.

It is possible this episode aired a bit earlier than whatever came next though

This is true. My brain is not functioning tonight.

Though the cut scene explains a lot. I guess they figured it wasn't something that was uberly important... Lots of times you have to cut scenes for the sake of what's relevant to the story. Finding out why the Shellraiser is up and running again IS important (in the sense that it ties the ribbon on that issue), but I guess it wasn't considered 'cockroach spy' important....

[zkarlette]

It was a fun episode but I wish they would have given Chong some sort of personality. his last mutation was way to much I think. Overall the episode had many funny moments.

[CyberCubed]

I don't think this version was ever animated, because the rest of the dialogue from that scene ("We're going to spy on the Kraang with a cockroach!") was moved to the kitchen scene.

Ah, I see, shame. They probably thought kids wouldn't care about or notice that. They know adults are watching though so its a shame they leave out stuff older fans would think about.

[Gwydion]

Hi guys,

There was supposed to be a brief line explaining how the Shellraiser is up and running again:

INT. SHELLRAISER - NIGHT
Leo examines the engine block that sits where the power cell used to be.

LEONARDO
Diesel-electric, huh? Very nice.

Not sure why it was cut but obviously losing that line was a HUGE MISTAKE and they should feel bad for tampering with our genius and confusing all the attentive viewers.

- Kenny
This was actually really bugging me, so I'm glad to hear it was at least initially touched on! A shame it got cut, but thanks for sharing!

[Cure]

I think Clockwork should get the green stars.

[LH]

Hi guys,

There was supposed to be a brief line explaining how the Shellraiser is up and running again:

INT. SHELLRAISER - NIGHT
Leo examines the engine block that sits where the power cell used to be.

LEONARDO
Diesel-electric, huh? Very nice.

Not sure why it was cut but obviously losing that line was a HUGE MISTAKE and they should feel bad for tampering with our genius and confusing all the attentive viewers.

- Kenny

Ah! Thanks for the explanation. :tsmile: I was just assuming from the glowing purple lines that the power cell left residue or something.:tlol:

[Clockwork]

TurtleTitan97 asked me:
I just wondering, was there any reason why in the new episode the cockroach wasn't refered to as Chong like some people had thought? Just abit curious.

We never gave the cockroach a name. While we had discussed the idea that the roach was Donnie's pet, we ultimately decided not to go in that direction. When Ciro announced the cockroach's name was Chong (at NYCC, was it?), I was as confused as anyone. Maybe Playmates wanted a name for the action figure and that's what they came up with? Just a guess.

[Galactus]

Hi guys,

There was supposed to be a brief line explaining how the Shellraiser is up and running again:

INT. SHELLRAISER - NIGHT
Leo examines the engine block that sits where the power cell used to be.

LEONARDO
Diesel-electric, huh? Very nice.

Not sure why it was cut but obviously losing that line was a HUGE MISTAKE and they should feel bad for tampering with our genius and confusing all the attentive viewers.

- Kenny

I wouldn't say it was a HUGE mistake as I'm sure many summised that Don found an alternative power source but it's nice to know that attention to detail is going into the show even if we don't always see it.

[BabyTurtles]

Hi guys,

There was supposed to be a brief line explaining how the Shellraiser is up and running again:

INT. SHELLRAISER - NIGHT
Leo examines the engine block that sits where the power cell used to be.

LEONARDO
Diesel-electric, huh? Very nice.

Not sure why it was cut but obviously losing that line was a HUGE MISTAKE and they should feel bad for tampering with our genius and confusing all the attentive viewers.

- Kenny

yay! thanx...that was kinda bugging me XD I figured Donnie put another engine in there though :D he can get anything working after all~

[Luzmagica]

Hi guys,

There was supposed to be a brief line explaining how the Shellraiser is up and running again:

INT. SHELLRAISER - NIGHT
Leo examines the engine block that sits where the power cell used to be.

LEONARDO
Diesel-electric, huh? Very nice.

Not sure why it was cut but obviously losing that line was a HUGE MISTAKE and they should feel bad for tampering with our genius and confusing all the attentive viewers.

- Kenny

Also here Thanks!!!!!!! ....
Thanks so much for let us know about this detail!!!!!
:twink::tgrin: :tcool::tcool::tcool::tcool::tcool: !!!

[Zulithe]

Thank you Kenny. I just don't get why the writing team would go through the effort of having Donny design the shellraiser around the Kraang tech only to have him redesign it after one use? What was gained, what was the point? He could have just put an engine in it from the start. Functionally it seems no different (except the Kraang tech would let it go faster, which I guess is something? not like that makes much difference when we're talking about driving around NY)

[BabyTurtles]

Thank you Kenny. I just don't get why the writing team would go through the effort of having Donny design the shellraiser around the Kraang tech only to have him redesign it after one use? What was gained, what was the point? He could have just put an engine in it from the start. Functionally it seems no different (except the Kraang tech would let it go faster, which I guess is something? not like that makes much difference when we're talking about driving around NY)

Cause Donnie likes to use the advance stuff XD

[Gyt Kaliba]

Yeah, I had just assumed that Donnie had fixed it to an alternative power of some kind. It's really nice to know that there was a line dealing with it that was just cut though, I'll have to let my girlfriend know as it was bugging her more than it was me. :P

[gobo]

This was actually really bugging me
Excellent choice of words! ^_^

[marcelangelo]

;)...buggin...;)

thanks clockwork for your input, nice to see behind the scenes!
just let me thank you and your team of I think around 85 people?thank you all so much for this show!its really a pleasure!the greatest pleasure of each week;)
greetings
mars

[Andrew NDB]

The mutagen really does mutate inanimate objects now, too... wow. We're in "Why does SuperShredder's costume and blades mutate, too?" country here.

Sooo... if I have a cellphone in my hand when I touch some mutagen, I become VerizonMan?

Wow. Just wow...

[The Stryker]

Yup. And?

Cartoon mystery chemicals can do pretty much whatever it wants.

[Cure]

You'd think a grown man would be capable of learning by now.

[Zulithe]

The mutagen really does mutate inanimate objects now, too... wow. We're in "Why does SuperShredder's costume and blades mutate, too?" country here.

Sooo... if I have a cellphone in my hand when I touch some mutagen, I become VerizonMan?

Wow. Just wow...
"Anything can mutate--animals, vegetables, minerals... It's all covered." (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFBqDVa33wQ)

Also: the Fishface action figure comes with a large, strange looking weapon that many speculate was changed by the mutagen. I have not seen it in the show yet so it may not be canon.

[BabyTurtles]

not sure if I wanted to make a whole thread about it..(don't think I need to clutter the forums with quick questions) and since we are more or less already talking about the ShellRaiser.

......Donnie says everyone does something specific in the ShellRaiser based on their unique set of skills....

so if Leo drives (cause he's most likely not to hit anything XD)
Donnie does the technical stuff....
and Raph...uses the weapons? (as far as i've seen....)

...what does Mikey do? XD.........

[Cure]

...what does Mikey do? XD.........

He navigates.

[BabyTurtles]

He navigates.

seriously!? they trust him with navigation XD pretty cool!
I gotta see him doing that
(I wonder why he was picked for that though?)

[Luzmagica]

seriously!? they trust him with navigation XD pretty cool!
I gotta see him doing that
(I wonder why he was picked for that though?)

yep...he is sit at screen with the maps....first time they went out from lair...he noted the first one the wall in front of the shellraiser and them he told the others about it!!! :tgrin::tgrin::tgrin::tgrin: Happyly Don knowed/built a secret door! :lol:

[Yorae]

Did anyone else notice that Don was grabbed by the face in this ep? Right after Mikey shoves him in front of the Roach with a "Go get'em Tiger" :lol:

[Luzmagica]

Did anyone else notice that Don was grabbed by the face in this ep? Right after Mikey shoves him in front of the Roach with a "Go get'em Tiger" :lol:

Yea!!!!!! ^_0 I noted!!!! ....bad guys grabbing Don by the face is going to be a frecuent joke!!!! :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: !!! Poor Don....grabbed by the face for a gigant Terminator roach!!! :tlol:

[BabyTurtles]

Did anyone else notice that Don was grabbed by the face in this ep? Right after Mikey shoves him in front of the Roach with a "Go get'em Tiger" :lol:

something is definitely up with Donnie's face! :D

[gobo]

not sure if I wanted to make a whole thread about it..(don't think I need to clutter the forums with quick questions) and since we are more or less already talking about the ShellRaiser.

......Donnie says everyone does something specific in the ShellRaiser based on their unique set of skills....

so if Leo drives (cause he's most likely not to hit anything XD)
Donnie does the technical stuff....
and Raph...uses the weapons? (as far as i've seen....)

...what does Mikey do? XD.........
He's the designated jam-picker. Duh.

[LH]

Did anyone else notice that Don was grabbed by the face in this ep? Right after Mikey shoves him in front of the Roach with a "Go get'em Tiger" :lol:

Poor Donnie.. He just can't catch a break when it comes to being grabbed by the face can he? And to top it off it was his own creation this time! :tlol:

[Donatello19]

Am I the only one who immediately thought of Spyro when they said spy roach?

[k_lala]

There's just too many episodes of random things falling into the ooze and its only early on.

[LH]

Am I the only one who immediately thought of Spyro when they said spy roach?

Nope! :tlol:

[Dante]

Seeing how I have yet to see the past three episodes which have aired, I'll be holding back on discussing or adding anything.
However, I've been browsing through the recent threads about each episode so I'm more or less aware of what's been going on in each one.

Going to look forward to seeing three episodes in a row if anything.
"The Pulverizer", "TCRI" and "Cockroach Terminator".

Thanks for the filling, dudettes and dudes. Take that in however way you'd like.

[Coola Yagami]

So.... new episode this Saturday or what?

[gobo]

Or what.

[Teddy]

Yeah, someone posted in another thread about no new episodes this week or next week (possibly due to Easter holiday?). So, I guess we shouldn't get too excited for a new episode just yet.

[ToTheNines]

Finally gave this a second peek and still didn't care for it.

As far as my head-canon goes, I'm not even counting this one as having happened. Raph acted too ridiculous and they frigged up (both through a line and by visual aide) by having this one take place in Manhattan while the whole rest of the series has been stated to be taking place in Brooklyn.

Plus nothing effected or advanced the plot.

[BabyTurtles]

Finally gave this a second peek and still didn't care for it.

As far as my head-canon goes, I'm not even counting this one as having happened. Raph acted too ridiculous and they frigged up (both through a line and by visual aide) by having this one take place in Manhattan while the whole rest of the series has been stated to be taking place in Brooklyn.

Plus nothing effected or advanced the plot.

the ShellRaiser got fixed! :D

[Shark_Blade]

I think someone mentioned before that it's motorized by electrified oil or something..

[Zulithe]

If they were going to skip a week due to Easter why not air one this weekend so they can skip next weekend instead of waiting 3 weeks?

They must be having trouble getting these episodes finished, look at clone wars, granted it was not nickelodeon but once a season started it was on every week till the season was finished! In december they would skip a week for holidays and that's it! That's how it should be. not only that but there were many weeks with DOUBLE episodes, and not just premier week either.

Can't stand how thin they are spreading this show -__-

[BubblyShell22]

Yeah, I agree that they should do it that way, but that's not the way they think. I think they want to end the season at a certain date, and if they keep showing new eps, the season will end earlier than they want it to. Definitely stupid though. I'm sick of these breaks.

[BabyTurtles]

If they were going to skip a week due to Easter why not air one this weekend so they can skip next weekend instead of waiting 3 weeks?

They must be having trouble getting these episodes finished, look at clone wars, granted it was not nickelodeon but once a season started it was on every week till the season was finished! In december they would skip a week for holidays and that's it! That's how it should be. not only that but there were many weeks with DOUBLE episodes, and not just premier week either.

Can't stand how thin they are spreading this show -__-

I think Kenny said on Tumblr that they finished season 1 already........I think Nick decides when it comes on TV though...

[Coola Yagami]

I missed the Turtle Takeover due to work. No new ep this week?

[snake]

^ yup, same next week too...

[Forneus]

This will probably come off as antagonistic a bit, but whatevs...Hell's wrong with some of you, haha? Why does every villain need to be some talkative characters with an elaborate backstory. It's a Terminator. A cockroach Terminator. Saying that the bug was a poor villain because of lack of dialogue, is like saying that Ahnuld's killer robot is not an iconic villain either. Some baddies exist only to be bad. No explanation needed. I don't want all of the show's villains to be some super important part of the bigger puzzle.

Anyway, this had great action, sly humor, a great set of lines and yes, an imposing and funky one man army-like big bad with a kooky cool design. Was it filler? Yeah sure. Do I want the show to delve more into the Kraang, their plot and link to April? Yeah, I really want to. But this was just plain good ol' fashion butt kicking with metric tons of nods to one of the greatest sci-fi films of all time. Younger viewers or people not in the know about Cameron's masterpiece are going to be left out a bit, but still, it doesn't detract from the proceedings too much. On the flip side...yeah. It was not the most well paced of episodes. The entire Kraang drill plot, sounds too important to waste on a mutant of the week epi, and while the finale was badass as heck (Nice Technodrome reference I believe...Right?) it never felt as exciting as could be. In fact, the problem IMO was that they tried to make it not so filler with the inclusion of a new Kraang plot while they should have went full-out filler with the spy roach. At least it would have felt more cohesive as a story, and we could have had a bit more of the team and other characters.

But such is the nature of television. Schedules are weird, episodes are aired out of production order, there are crap hiatuses and sometimes, yes, there are episodes about one track mind villains with great designs and not much else. And I like that...last part. Not the rest haha.

[Coola Yagami]

This will probably come off as antagonistic a bit, but whatevs...Hell's wrong with some of you, haha? Why does every villain need to be some talkative characters with an elaborate backstory. It's a Terminator. A cockroach Terminator. Saying that the bug was a poor villain because of lack of dialogue, is like saying that Ahnuld's killer robot is not an iconic villain either. Some baddies exist only to be bad. No explanation needed. I don't want all of the show's villains to be some super important part of the bigger puzzle.

Anyway, this had great action, sly humor, a great set of lines and yes, an imposing and funky one man army-like big bad with a kooky cool design. Was it filler? Yeah sure. Do I want the show to delve more into the Kraang, their plot and link to April? Yeah, I really want to. But this was just plain good ol' fashion butt kicking with metric tons of nods to one of the greatest sci-fi films of all time. Younger viewers or people not in the know about Cameron's masterpiece are going to be left out a bit, but still, it doesn't detract from the proceedings too much. On the flip side...yeah. It was not the most well paced of episodes. The entire Kraang drill plot, sounds too important to waste on a mutant of the week epi, and while the finale was badass as heck (Nice Technodrome reference I believe...Right?) it never felt as exciting as could be. In fact, the problem IMO was that they tried to make it not so filler with the inclusion of a new Kraang plot while they should have went full-out filler with the spy roach. At least it would have felt more cohesive as a story, and we could have had a bit more of the team and other characters.

But such is the nature of television. Schedules are weird, episodes are aired out of production order, there are crap hiatuses and sometimes, yes, there are episodes about one track mind villains with great designs and not much else. And I like that...last part. Not the rest haha.

My main issue is I saw little reason for it to be a villain. Like someone posted earlier, even as a normal roach, he was excited to help Donnie spy on the Kraang. As a mutant he should have been a relentless killing machine... against the Kraang... not the Turtles. Hell, it woulda been funny having him be an ally of the Turtles, but having a problem with Raph.

[Forneus]

Wasn't there a throwaway explanation about how the bug fused with it's camera equipment and became obssessed with the one image left from the footage IE Raph trying to kill it? It's flimsy for sure but I think it worked out well. This was just a filler ep for sure, so I don't really need much hahaha.

[Coola Yagami]

Wasn't there a throwaway explanation about how the bug fused with it's camera equipment and became obssessed with the one image left from the footage IE Raph trying to kill it? It's flimsy for sure but I think it worked out well. This was just a filler ep for sure, so I don't really need much hahaha.

yeah I know. I really wish that scene where Raph apologized and it was just Mikey was legit, cause I wanted to see what woulda happened. Other than hating Raph, I saw no reason for it not to continue it's mission to fight the Kraang. They don't have that many allies, and when they do have one (Leatherhead), they lose him. It woulda been cool to have the roach help them out.

[CyberCubed]

I think the problem with the Nick mutants is they're too one dimensional and lack character. Why do you think so many people like Scumbug even though he was only in 1 episode of the OT?

[MrTMNT2012]

I think the problem with the Nick mutants is they're too one dimensional and lack character. Why do you think so many people like Scumbug even though he was only in 1 episode of the OT?

True I definitely agree. The only characters with real depth are the ones who already had a previous incarnation (except for Traag)!

I think the Nick writers have set up the story perfectly in the last 17 Episodes, all they need is to give a good pay off to make this first Season Great :)
Who knows, maybe the new mutants will come back next season with more development and depth?

[Jephael]

The mutagen really does mutate inanimate objects now, too... wow. We're in "Why does SuperShredder's costume and blades mutate, too?" country here.

Sooo... if I have a cellphone in my hand when I touch some mutagen, I become VerizonMan?

Wow. Just wow...

If you hadn't noticed, this cartoon is on Nickelodeon, the same company that brought us the undersea logic of Spongebob Squarepants!

[FakeBritishAccent]

Thoughts:

1. I gotta go buy Raph's Ninja Stealth Bike now that it's canon to the show.
2. The cockroach's "death" was BRUTAL. It looked like something out of "Evil Dead II."

-Jonaas

[LH]

I think the problem with the Nick mutants is they're too one dimensional and lack character. Why do you think so many people like Scumbug even though he was only in 1 episode of the OT?

Leatherhead is a very complex character. We've seen his tragic past, inner struggles, want for friendship, and his fear of hurting others.

[Coola Yagami]

Leatherhead is a very complex character. We've seen his tragic past, inner struggles, want for friendship, and his fear of hurting others.

Though he's based on a pre-existing character. I'm sure we're all reffering to the newer characters or people like Chris and Xever that had time to be fleshed out before they became mutants. Traag is the only old character that became a mindless monster in this new version.

[LH]

Though he's based on a pre-existing character. I'm sure we're all reffering to the newer characters or people like Chris and Xever that had time to be fleshed out before they became mutants. Traag is the only old character that became a mindless monster in this new version.

Ah. Yeah, that is true. It would be nice to learn more about Chris and Xever's past and how they got involved with the Foot.