Mutated Miwa/Karai

[Retro-Specs]

I know there's a thread on the whole Miya/Karai thing; I think by now we are all convinced that they are one and the same.

My question is, what are they going to do with this? How will they reveal it to Splinter, and how will everyone react? Will they have Miwa move into the lair with her real father? (Not that it won't be crowded enough with April, Timothy/MM, and now Slash too)

I was debating with my wife about it, and we were thinking: would it be better if Miwa mutates, right around the time she discovers the truth? Add a significant physical change to go along with the psychological and emotional one? In a sense, it might make it easier for her to merge into a life of having a giant rat for a father.

So, if she IS mutated, what animal should it be? We were thinking a small mammal, to match Splinter somewhat. Rodent, or a cat or something, maybe.

[NinjaPug]

No. Not every human in the series needs to be mutated.

[Donatello19]

My prediction: after finding out that Shredder lied to her and that Splinter is her real father, Karai is angry at both of them and becomes a stand alone villain.

[miru]

Karai will instead become a cyborg.

[ObiWanFan4life]

Karai will instead become a cyborg.

Please stop being a complete Idiot.

Anyways, let's just for now, say that she won't be mutated and stick with the fact that Karai and Miwa are the same person.

[BubblyShell22]

Oh, hell no. We don't need for her to mutate. I'd rather she just stay human.

[Retro-Specs]

My prediction: after finding out that Shredder lied to her and that Splinter is her real father, Karai is angry at both of them and becomes a stand alone villain.

Actually, that wouldn't be a bad idea. I get the feeling that Karai has been going easy on her opponents so far - not wanted to hurt April, just get answers, and being more about taunting Leo than killing him.

If she was a stand-alone villain, she'd probably get really vicious, and be a strong threat to the turtles on her own.

[tmnt transformer]

My prediction: after finding out that Shredder lied to her and that Splinter is her real father, Karai is angry at both of them and becomes a stand alone villain.

This.

It seems to be the most logical answer.

[Luckyday]

I don't want sound snotty but why would she be pissed at Splinter?

[DarkLightDragon]

I don't want sound snotty but why would she be pissed at Splinter?


For feeling like he didn't try to find her after the house burned down even though he thought she was dead like Tang-Shen or how she feels like he replaced her with the Turtles.

Those two things could come to mind.

[Coola Yagami]

Mutating her would be an awesome and ballsy thing to do. It would be a complete and dramatic change to the character never been done before. If anyone could pull it off, Nick could.

[Shreddhead]

I highly doubt she will become a full fledged ally of the turtles. There would just be way too many "good guys". I have a feeling she will become a standalone villain like mentioned above, maybe taking over the purple dragons.

Although I have gotten the feeling that she will be mutated eventually. Maybe after learning that splinter is her father, she will be thrown into a situation where splinter/ the turtles are fighting the kraang and she is exposed to mutagen in the process. A transformation like that could possibly make her resent splinter/turtles and make her go back to what she knows, the Shredder.

[Martin]

If she mutates and becomes either Venus or Ninjara, I'm gonna be pissed.

[Coola Yagami]

If she mutates and becomes either Venus or Ninjara, I'm gonna be pissed.

Actually.... that would probably be the only way they could pull off a character like that the RIGHT way.

Karai as a mutant turtle wouldn't just start to live with them and become Turtle number 5. She'd be horrified at what she's become and run off, appearing every now and then, possibly helping either side. Or possibly plotting against both. That kind of Venus would work, especially having such strong ties towards Splinter and Shredder, and not just 'hey look at me, I'm a female Turtle'.

The Rat King is still basically Dr. Falco, just more insane. Mutagen Man will most likely retain his characteristics as Pulverizer, and Bradford and Xever continued being who they were before they were mutated. Venus would have more character since she's continuing her personality as Karai.

[Martin]

Actually.... that would probably be the only way they could pull off a character like that the RIGHT way

I know, that's why I pointed it out. We've already seen Nick doing something similar with Slash, so it wouldn't be that odd of they did the same thing here. They even can say that she turned into that because he touched one the turtles in some way. I really hope they don't do it though.

[Luckyday]

How seeing how Slash looks a little deformed with those spikes, I doubt Karai would be able to keep her good looks as a mutant if she touch one of the turtles.:D

[Retro-Specs]

I know it is a relatively bad idea; I was just wondering what people think should if Nick were to mutate her.

For one, she'd be the first female mutant for this series. We haven't seen this done yet in the Nick show.

I doubt she'd become a character from a previous series, like how some have suggested Venus, or Mona Lisa (I was more thinking of a mammal mutation, such as Alopex or Ninjara. But I know next to nothing of those characters, not being a comic reader).

I really think they couldn't make her an old character revived - that would effectively give her three names. Since to us, the audience, "Miwa" is, effectively, Splinter's infant daughter. "Karai" is Shredder's (adopted?) teenage daughter. From this, Nickelodeon could easily make "Miwa" the name of the "mutated Karai", in the same way that all the other mutants gained new names upon their mutations.

Also, mutation aside, I can see how Karai may never actually side with Splinter and the turtles, even after learning the truth. Becoming a stand-alone villain with anger toward both sides makes sense. Suddenly realizing her life has all been a lie all this time may be too much to make some solid commitment to either side.

That being set, such a life-altering event - like mutating - may be what the writers need in order to have her cling to her "new" family with Splinter and the Turtles, if that's the direction they want to go.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

I don't want sound snotty but why would she be pissed at Splinter?

For feeling like he didn't try to find her after the house burned down even though he thought she was dead like Tang-Shen or how she feels like he replaced her with the Turtles.

Those two things could come to mind.

could also say that she feels resentment because now the Turtles are his sons..and in a way see's them as her replacement



maybe if mutated she feels that is the only way she gets her fathers full attention back

[Warrior]

Hmmm . . . interesting point to go with a grand physical change to mirror an . . . epiphany? of sorts.

I kind of like Karai as a human, and while a female mutant sounds mighty interesting, I kind of like the idea of Karai as this shady character that uses some deception and can run things without much of an enhancement. I'd rather another female character come in, and besides, I don't think I fancy the idea of being a little mutation-crazy. There's little "specialness" if you will to mutation if everyone does it.

[Cowabunga Carl]

You know I wouldn't mind seeing her mutate as the cliff hanger to season 2. Leave it where you aren't sure she dies or gets mutated. Have Splinter find out right before it happens that she is his daughter. It would be great to leave on such a note and then season 3 could be the Turtles trying to get her to accept the fact she is a mutant.

[Konchadunga]

I say shell no!

Karai mutating would mess up the character's proud reputation as one of the biggest badasses in the series; a human woman who can fight enemies of superhuman abilities, because she's just that good. Not that staying true to the character's legacy has been a huge priority for them, but this show, at least, doesn't screw her over as badly as 4Kids and the fourth movie did.

[Coola Yagami]

Superhuman abilities...? wut...?

[Retro-Specs]

Heh... you know, it'd be funny if the series messed with the audience. Mutate Karai or April at the beginning of an episode, but have the Kraang introduce an anti-mutagen (Like Krang and Shredder made in the original series), and have Karai (Or April or whoever) hit by it first and get changed back to normal, indicating to the turtles that they cannot get hit by this stuff.

The mutation back could even be in the next episode, to leave the fans thinking this is a permanent decision. Nah, I suppose this is all too mean - but funny.

[Konchadunga]

Superhuman abilities...? wut...?

Well, in the sense that they can fight roughly like humans, but with some things humans don't have. It seems a bit inconsistent whether the turtles are stronger than humans, but they almost certainly can take more abuse.

[Luckyday]

Well, in the sense that they can fight roughly like humans, but with some things humans don't have. It seems a bit inconsistent whether the turtles are stronger than humans, but they almost certainly can take more abuse.

They mostly take hits and falls which would kill a normal human on impact due to internal bleeding.

[Martin]

It seems a bit inconsistent whether the turtles are stronger than humans, but they almost certainly can take more abuse.

Hasn't that more to do with years of training rather than genes? I mean, if you took a regular person, started training them when they were little, and went at it for 15 years, they'd be able to take a lot of abuse as well.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Also being turtles their shells protect them

[Refractive Reflections]

Having Miwa/Karai mutate would seem a bit "over the top" in my opinion. I mean I could understand how the mutation would metaphorically represent and parallel the revelation of her knowing to be Splinter's daughter, but with an overabundance of mutants in the Nick series, and with her already complicated family connections with Splinter and Shredder, a mutation would seem "over the top".

I would prefer the series to focus on her emotionally retaliating and eventually handling the revelation to give her character some depth, rather than her being "pigeon-holed" perceived as Shredder's daughter and Leo's bad girl crush. If she mutated, I think it would take the attention away from her family dilemma since the characters and the audience would be so much more focused on the "shock factor" of her looking different, and it could come across as a superficial attempt to create "more drama".

So if they stick to her being human, and her dealing with this emotionally conflicting revelation, it would make Karai's character more endearing with the audience since they could emotionally relate to the torn family situation rather than being visually distracted by another mutation.

[Luckyday]

Yeah, it would end up being a gimmick.

[WhitefinDolphin]

Well, now that I've given it some thought, I'd love to see Karai/Miwa mutated eventually. It'd be really neat to finally see a female mutant, since there hasn't been one yet.

I guess now I'm wondering, if Karai/Miwa were to be mutated what would she be mutated into? And if she gets mutated will it be by accident, her own will, or will it be enforced (possibly by Shredder)?

[TurtleTitan97]

I really wouldn't want to see Karai get mutated, so I'm gonna say no.

[***First of Two Latin Kings***]

Karai becoming Ninjara would not be bad, since the characters are so similar to begin with, when you think about it.

[Coola Yagami]

Karai becoming Ninjara would not be bad, since the characters are so similar to begin with, when you think about it.

....except their not...?

One of them leads the Foot Clan and the other is a member of an ancient foxrace.... where do you get the similarities from?

[Electric]

im happy everyone is now referring to her as miwa/karai:D

[Gin Rummy]

I don't think Karai should be mutated. With Tim, Baxter, Dr. Falco, Xever, & Bradford, where almost out of human characters.

If she in fact turns out to be Miwa, I don't really want to see her as a ally of the Turtles. I'd rather her turn neutral and break off from Shredder, & form her own clan. (Perhaps take control of the Purple Dragons?)

[BlisterStockboy]

Look, I understand that the show is about mutants and mutations. But why can't humans just be humans? Why can't April just be a human? Why can't Karai just be a human? Why does everyone need to be a robot/alien/mutant?

[DonatelloNinja82]

I hope they dont mutate Karai. I see her as was previously stated...when finding out she's really Splinter's daughter, she gets so upset she runs off.

[Raphaeline]

No, Karai won't mutate into Ninjara or Mona Lisa, that would be stupid. Come on, she's Leo crush, imagine the mess if she becomes one of the old Raph crushes.

Why do you want so bad to mutate everyone in that show? let's keep some humans :lol:

The best surprise would be that... Karai is not Miwa! :D everyone is so 100% that she is, that would make a good surprise if she's not.

And I think they realize that Next Mutation was a failure and that Venus was a poor character, they would not bring her back I guess...

[Donatello19]

I don't think Karai should be mutated. With Tim, Baxter, Dr. Falco, Xever, & Bradford, where almost out of human characters.


Almost out of human characters? Besides Karai, we've already got April, Kirby, Shredder, Mr. Murakami, The Purple Dragons, and Carlos Chang O'Brian Gambe (The best human character in the series)...Not to mention we're getting Casey AND Irma in Season 2...

[Shark_Blade]

If Karai gets mutated, maybe then Leo will have a chance to bone her without feeling so awkward.

April might be an alien, so Donnie can have his own way.

[/I might not be serious or was I?]

[Luckyday]

If Karai gets mutated, maybe then Leo will have a chance to bone her without feeling so awkward.

April might be an alien, so Donnie can have his own way.

[/I might not be serious or was I?]

Still doesn't change the fact that she might be his sister. I don't care if Leo is just Splinter's adopted son. It's still awkward, folks.

[***First of Two Latin Kings***]

It's still awkward, folks.

Not really. There is no precedent for this sort of thing. The turtles are make-shift sons. Or did we decide that they're his actual sons because it was their exposure to him specifically that made them humanoid?

[WhitefinDolphin]

Still doesn't change the fact that she might be his sister. I don't care if Leo is just Splinter's adopted son. It's still awkward, folks.

I agree, as much as they aren't blood related it's still just a matter of principle that would make their relationship seem awkward. As much as this sort of stuff happens in real life, I don't it needs to be portrayed in the show.

[Cowabunga Carl]

She will become Venus!

[Jester]

She will become Venus!
Why you do that, man.... :(

[Cowabunga Carl]

I mean if she is going to mutate she is going to mutate into something she is touching or coming into contact with. It makes sense that if she does mutate it would be during a fight with the Turtles, probably Leo. I think it would be a unique way to change up things.

[Luckyday]

I mean if she is going to mutate she is going to mutate into something she is touching or coming into contact with. It makes sense that if she does mutate it would be during a fight with the Turtles, probably Leo. I think it would be a unique way to change up things.

Yes but then she really would be related to Leo.

[Cowabunga Carl]

No more then before. I don't buy this whole "what they touch they are related to" idea. As much as people want to say they are Splinters sons, they are only his sons in the way he raised them. If Leo and Karai want to start a relationship up there is no reason they couldn't.

[Luckyday]

No more then before. I don't buy this whole "what they touch they are related to" idea. As much as people want to say they are Splinters sons, they are only his sons in the way he raised them. If Leo and Karai want to start a relationship up there is no reason they couldn't.

Then what half part did they get it from if not from dna or whatever? If what you say is true then Dog pound shouldn't have any resemblance to an Akita.

[Cowabunga Carl]

How does mutating into something make them "related" This idea just seems really far fetched. It's not like Dogpound is now brothers with the dog he touched, they don't have a bond. I understand that some don't like an idea of a "relationship" between Karai and Leo but it doesn't bother me in the slightest. I think if they go that route then so be it, if not then oh well.

But back on topic of Karai being mutated. I think sense they are bring back other characters and giving them new twist her mutating into Venus would actually be kind of cool. Think about it in the light of she finds out she is Splinters daughter and feels betrayed, then during the battle where the mutagen is falling from the sky a canister breaks over her as she is fighting the turtles. It would be bitter sweet that his real daughter now is like his adopted sons. She could see this as another betrayal and flee causing season 2 to deal with them trying to find her and bring her into the fold.

[Atren]

How does mutating into something make them "related" This idea just seems really far fetched. It's not like Dogpound is now brothers with the dog he touched, they don't have a bond. I understand that some don't like an idea of a "relationship" between Karai and Leo but it doesn't bother me in the slightest. I think if they go that route then so be it, if not then oh well.

But back on topic of Karai being mutated. I think sense they are bring back other characters and giving them new twist her mutating into Venus would actually be kind of cool. Think about it in the light of she finds out she is Splinters daughter and feels betrayed, then during the battle where the mutagen is falling from the sky a canister breaks over her as she is fighting the turtles. It would be bitter sweet that his real daughter now is like his adopted sons. She could see this as another betrayal and flee causing season 2 to deal with them trying to find her and bring her into the fold.

Exact science has not been disclosed sufficiently to know how exactly it goes, but logically you take DNA of the species you mutate with and end result would have that DNA mixed with your own. Something like child and parents DNA I think. You just can't create that DNA out of air so whoever you mutate from is same as related biologically based on that.

In other words If Karai would be mutated from touching Leonardo then biologically she would be Leo daughter.

P.S. In case I butchered some science I apologize in advance. This is based on my limited knowledge combined with common sense.

[Cowabunga Carl]

so we are trying to make real science work with an animated series that has ooze that can change something on a fundamental level....wow

[BubblyShell22]

No, I think it would be awkward because even though the Turtles are Splinter's adopted sons, Miwa would still be their sister since she's Splinter's daughter. So, that's why it would be awkward for Leo and Karai to have a relationship if she's really Miwa. It's called incest.

[Raphaeline]

But she is not their sister by blood, so...

Anyway I can't imagine her being mutated, for me it doesn't fit to the character of Karai. Why do you want so badly to see her as a mutant?

The advantage would be that we won't see her ugly human design/face/haircut again.

[miru]

Maybe she will become a cyborg or zombie instead?


EDIT: She's become a shapeshifter mutant.

[Leofan26]

Well, it'd sure be a twist for Leo / Karai arc but at the same time I don't want it :cry:

[BubblyShell22]

But she is not their sister by blood, so..

That doesn't matter as it could still be seen as incest. I remember during the Jerry Sandusky trial his adopted son, Matt, came forward and said that Sandusky had sexual relations with him, and it was stated that that would still be seen as incest even though Matt was adopted. So, yeah, there really isn't a difference.

[Raphaeline]

Anyway it's not like they were going to show Leo and Karai become a real couple. I don't think we'll see them kissing or that kind of stuff. It's just that leo had a crush on her, like Luke had a crush on Leia (and they even kissed!) before discovering that she is his sister.

[BubblyShell22]

Yes, I know they aren't going to show that stuff, but it would still be awkward and even more awkward if Leo still had feelings for her despite knowing that she's his sister.

[Luckyday]

Ok lets be honest here. Do anybody seriously believed that these relationships (Karai/Leo and Donnie/April) will ever materialized? One is just a running joke that should be taken with a grain of salt while the other is just product of fan service and wish fulfillment from the other series.

[Electric]

i honestly think leos done with having a crush on karai.

And if Venus comes in to the show, god forbid, she will either be april or karai, i see no other way:tsad:

[Luckyday]

i honestly think leos done with having a crush on karai.

And if Venus comes in to the show, god forbid, she will either be april or karai, i see no other way:tsad:

You know...the more you say that the more likely it's going to happen.

[drgon78]

Don't even joke about Venus being on the show or even worse that she has to be a mutated April or Karai.

[Raphaeline]

I never like the Leo/Karai crush in the Nick series by the way. It was so cliché to see the serious leader falling in 2 seconds for the first bad girls he sees.

So yeah I hope he's done with her now.

[BubblyShell22]

I don't think Leo and Karai will have a relationship, especially after what happened in "Enemy of my Enemy." But you never know with Don/April. I know it wouldn't happen if Laird were at the helm, but since he's not, anything can happen.

[Raphaeline]

I don't think Leo and Karai will have a relationship, especially after what happened in "Enemy of my Enemy." But you never know with Don/April. I know it wouldn't happen if Laird were at the helm, but since he's not, anything can happen.

Why, he was against turtle-human relationships?

[Luckyday]

I guessing that he really didn't like the thought of turtles wanting girlfriends. Weird....I thought the rule was no turtle girlfriends for the turtles, but I guess he means no girlfriends, period. That man is quite harsh on his own creation.

[BubblyShell22]

Why, he was against turtle-human relationships?

Yes, he was against it.