The Flash tv series on CW

[Raph's Girl]

Aww how sweet... Diggle's getting his own costume. *stares at said costume* Um...eww... :ohwell:

http://media.comicbook.com/uploads1/2015/07/11427441-1465458350438149-1729095972-n-143789.jpg

http://comicbook.com/2015/07/12/diggle-gets-a-costume-for-arrow-season-4/

[Autbot_Benz]

Aww how sweet... Diggle's getting his own costume. *stares at said costume* Um...eww... :ohwell:

http://media.comicbook.com/uploads1/2015/07/11427441-1465458350438149-1729095972-n-143789.jpg

http://comicbook.com/2015/07/12/diggle-gets-a-costume-for-arrow-season-4/

this should be in the Arrow section :P

[Raph's Girl]

Woo! Michael Ironside has joined the cast of Flash! He'll be Capt. Cold and Golden Glider's abusive criminal SOB of a father, Lewis Snart. Last thing I saw him on was "Smallville" where he played General Lane!

He'll first pop up in the 3rd episode of the season entitled "Family of Rogues"

http://www.newsarama.com/25238-michael-ironside-joins-the-flash.html

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Woo! Michael Ironside has joined the cast of Flash! He'll be Capt. Cold and Golden Glider's abusive criminal SOB of a father, Lewis Snart. Last thing I saw him on was "Smallville" where he played General Lane!

He'll first pop up in the 3rd episode of the season entitled "Family of Rogues"

http://www.newsarama.com/25238-michael-ironside-joins-the-flash.html

I saw that. now I wanna know what the first two episodes' titles are!

[Raph's Girl]

I saw that. now I wanna know what the first two episodes' titles are!

First one is "The Man Who Saved Central City"

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

First one is "The Man Who Saved Central City"

NICE! I heartily approve.

Where'd you find that nugget of intel, if I may inquire?

[Raph's Girl]

NICE! I heartily approve.

Where'd you find that nugget of intel, if I may inquire?

It was announced last month:
http://media.comicbook.com/uploads1/2015/06/upload-141566.jpg
http://comicbook.com/2015/06/26/the-flash-season-2-premiere-title-revealed/

[Autbot_Benz]

Former WWE Superstar Edge aka Adam Copeland is playing Atom Smasher in Season 2

https://instagram.com/p/5JIV9vivI8/

[Raph's Girl]

Former WWE Superstar Edge aka Adam Copeland is playing a Atom Smasher in Season 2

https://instagram.com/p/5JIV9vivI8/

Al Rothstein aka Atom Smasher was mentioned in the first season in the episode "Power Outage" as having been killed by the partical accelerator explosion!

So we're definatly gonna be seeing the others mentioned in that ep that were "killed": Ralph Dibney/Elongated Man, Grant Emerson/Damage, Will Everett/Amazing Man and Bea Dacosta/ Fire. :D

[TheCanadiandrome]

Former WWE Superstar Edge aka Adam Copeland is playing Atom Smasher in Season 2

https://instagram.com/p/5JIV9vivI8/

So cool! Read about this yesterday

[TurtleTitan97]

Keiynan Lonsdale has been casted as Wally West!

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/p720x720/11855777_892832590809045_3006891111703000641_n.jpg ?oh=96a03ce3c5420e5562e6c6cef3464fa3&oe=56833C6E

[Raph's Girl]

An Aussie eh? Not at all familiar with his stuff. Should be interesting how he gets his powers...and how he's related to the rest of the West clan.

http://deadline.com/2015/08/keiynan-lonsdale-cast-the-flash-wally-west-1201492498/

[sdp]

To add diversification we take one of the very few red headed heroes and replace him?

Do we know if The Flash will be added to Netflix along with Arrow S3 later this fall? I remember reading Netflix got rights for Gotham.

[Raph's Girl]

To add diversification we take one of the very few red headed heroes and replace him?


Considering the fact that Iris and her dad are black you should have expected Wally to be as well. Sides, he's been black in the comics for like a year now.

[TurtleTitan97]

To add diversification we take one of the very few red headed heroes and replace him?


Not really major news since he's been black in the New 52 since 2014.

[Raph's Girl]

Why would they? Flash is the most popular show on the CW. Putting it on Netflix would be dumb.

All shows eventually end up on Netflix. It's where most people purchase full seasons.

[TurtleTitan97]

All shows eventually end up on Netflix. It's where most people purchase full seasons.

Whoops, I misread that as saying Flash would solely be airing on Netflix and not the CW.

[sdp]

New 52 is old news now but it's also old news in DC that they're already looking to ignore it. just because he's black in the comics doesn't mean they had to do it here either. And no I didn't know the West's were black since I haven't watched the show and have kept spoiler free, that's why I'm hoping it comes out on Netflix.

So yeah the rant about him being black might not be too new but I hate the idea and I just saw the picture as I was about to post about the possibilities of the show coming to Netflix so I thought I would rant about that as well.

[TurtleTitan97]

just because he's black in the comics doesn't mean they had to do it here either.

Honestly, it's pretty understandable. What would have been the point of keeping Wally white in this universe if they were gonna have both Iris and her father black? It would have been pointless just like how they changed the race of Johnny Storm and his father while keeping Susan white in the new Fantastic Four movie. Either you change the race for all of them, or don't do it at all.

I do however understand where you're coming from as someone who grew up knowing the Flash as Wally West. But given the context of this particular universe, this is a justifiable change.

[Bry]

So the actor who's playing Kid Flash is only two years younger than the actor who plays The Flash?

Of course, it's entirely possible they'll bypass the "Kid Flash" thing entirely. (I'm fine either way, so long as they don't use that godawful New 52 costume pictured above.)

[Raph's Girl]

So the actor who's playing Kid Flash is only two years younger than the actor who plays The Flash?


And they're also both singers! I smell a Flash duets album! :P

[Bry]

And they're also both singers! I smell a Flash duets album! :P

...hell, I'd buy it. :lol:

So is Wally still going to be Iris' nephew? Because unless she has a heretofore unmentioned much older brother, that seems kind of unlikely. And Jesse L. Martin (who plays Joe West) is only 46, which is already pushing plausibility to be Iris' father, so that's especially unlikely. So maybe he'll be Iris' cousin in this version?

Considering the shows plays heavily with time travel, I'm hoping we see a glimpse at a future Wally as The Flash. Kinda seems like a given.

[TurtleTitan97]

Jay Garrick's costume has been revealed and it is SICK!!:tcool:

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11000275_895808097178161_2781145117449693666_n.jpg ?oh=fef3ffe5d20ad2ce381ca1411e8bd620&oe=56792446

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Sorry, but I don't see the appeal of that costume. Jay Garrick I'm interested to see... but that costume? Well, I'll reserve judgment... :trolleye:

[TurtleTitan97]

Apparently that scene in the image is actually going to appear in an episode according to Greg Berlanti: https://twitter.com/GBerlanti/status/631216891025952768

This just keeps getting better and better. Makes me want to reread the issue.

[Leo656]

I'unno why it's just an outline of a lightning bolt. Nobody'd choose that for their logo. That's literally, "Just change it because." Sigh.

Otherwise, NEAT, I love Jay.

[TurtleTitan97]

Kimiyo Hoshi, the female Doctor Light who debuted during Crisis on Infinite Earths, is confirmed to be making an appearance on Flash: http://tvline.com/2015/08/13/doctor-light-the-flash-female-season-2-spoilers-cast/

[Raph's Girl]

Oh lordy. Barry's got his own Flash Signal now. You can see it at the 6 sec mark on the promo.

K7c8SkKF7Y8


http://www.comingsoon.net/tv/trailers/473811-the-flash-returns-in-a-new-promo-for-season-2

[TurtleTitan97]

YES!!! Violett Beane has been casted as Jesse Quick, daughter of the Golden Age heroes Johnny Quick and Liberty Belle: http://comicbook.com/2015/08/25/the-flash-casts-jesse-quick/

Linda Park will also be returning. Wonder what sort of relationship she'll have with Wally in the show? http://comicbook.com/2015/08/25/linda-park-returning-to-the-flash/

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

YES!!! Violett Beane has been casted as Jesse Quick, daughter of the Golden Age heroes Johnny Quick and Liberty Belle: http://comicbook.com/2015/08/25/the-flash-casts-jesse-quick/

Linda Park will also be returning. Wonder what sort of relationship she'll have with Wally in the show? http://comicbook.com/2015/08/25/linda-park-returning-to-the-flash/

Wow. Jesse, Jay, Wally, and Barry? Plus Zoom?

This is either gonna be spectacular or Flash's "Arrow Season 3." A little worried that they're packing so many speedsters into this... but for now, I have absolute faith.

[Raph's Girl]

YES!!! Violett Beane has been casted as Jesse Quick, daughter of the Golden Age heroes Johnny Quick and Liberty Belle: http://comicbook.com/2015/08/25/the-flash-casts-jesse-quick/

Whoa!! Jesse Quick?! Are they just gonna be bringing in ALL The Speedsters?! :o

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Whoa!! Jesse Quick?! Are they just gonna be bringing in ALL The Speedsters?! :o

At this point, are there any Speedsters left?

Bart Allen. Okay, one. :tlol:

[TurtleTitan97]

At this point, are there any Speedsters left?

Bart Allen. Okay, one. :tlol:

There's also Max Mercury and Johnny Quick. And as for villains there's still The Rival (Jay's Reverse Flash), Inertia (Bart's evil clone), and Black Flash. And if we're gonna get technical there's also Wally's daughter, Iris. Oh, and Barry and Iris's son and daughter, Don and Dawn Allen.

Edit: And there's Bart's cousin, Jenni Ognats.

Double edit: And there's Savitar, leader of a Speed Force cult, and Christina Alexandrova.

But yeah, other than that, I'm not aware of any other DC speedsters.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

There's also Max Mercury and Johnny Quick. And as for villains there's still The Rival (Jay's Reverse Flash), Inertia (Bart's evil clone), and Black Flash. And if we're gonna get technical there's also Wally's daughter, Iris. Oh, and Barry and Iris's son and daughter, Don and Dawn Allen.

But yeah, other than that, I'm not aware of any other DC speedsters.

Holy crap. The Flash has more speedsters than Batman has Robins! :tlol:

Black Flash I'd love to see, but after a certain point, it's just too damn many speedsters. Kinda like how Arrow had too many good guys on Team Arrow now...

[Raph's Girl]

There's like 50 Speedsters all from various time periods in the DCU. Just go to this site below to see the list. And it's not the full list either as there's also that one turtle...

http://www.hyperborea.org/flash/speedsters.html

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

There's like 50 Speedsters all from various time periods in the DCU. Just go to this site below to see the list. And it's not the full list either as there's also that one turtle...

http://www.hyperborea.org/flash/speedsters.html

Gah. That's a ton.

[Raph's Girl]

Now it's time to bring out Firestorm villains! Demore Barnes has been cast as Tokamak.

You can read up on him here: http://www.angelfire.com/ar/hellUSA/Tokamak.html

http://comicbook.com/2015/08/25/exclusive-the-flash-casts-demore-barnes-as-firestorm-villain-tok/

[Leo656]

The world absolutely needs more Max Mercury.

Trivia: He's also the "Real" Quicksilver. :tcool:

[TurtleTitan97]

Tony Todd has been casted as the voice for Zoom. He'll be appearing in the second episode, "Flash of Two Worlds": http://comicbook.com/2015/08/31/the-flash-casts-tony-todd-as-zoom-in-season-2/

Only known him as Dreadwing from Transformers Prime, but after seeing this clip from Candyman, I think he's gonna own the role: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fRK4tog9HA

[Raph's Girl]

Tony Todd has been casted as the voice for Zoom. He'll be appearing in the second episode, "Flash of Two Worlds": http://comicbook.com/2015/08/31/the-flash-casts-tony-todd-as-zoom-in-season-2/


This fall: Klingons with super speed!! :o

I only know Tony Todd as Worf's brother Kurn in TNG and DS9.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Tony Todd has been casted as the voice for Zoom. He'll be appearing in the second episode, "Flash of Two Worlds": http://comicbook.com/2015/08/31/the-flash-casts-tony-todd-as-zoom-in-season-2/

Only known him as Dreadwing from Transformers Prime, but after seeing this clip from Candyman, I think he's gonna own the role: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fRK4tog9HA

I watched the same clip to find out who he was. EPIC scary voice. I approve. :tgrin:

[Raph's Girl]

Flash season 2 promo featuring Jay Garrick! :o

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[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Flash season 2 promo featuring Jay Garrick! :o

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Looks like his shirt is made of the same material as Barry's suit.

Now, is that Jay Garrick at the end? Being slightly creepy ala Harrison Wells? Or was the Atom-Smasher without his helmet? Hmm...

[TurtleTitan97]

Now, is that Jay Garrick at the end? Being slightly creepy ala Harrison Wells? Or was the Atom-Smasher without his helmet? Hmm...

It was Atom Smasher.

Anyway, the trailer definitely got me more hyped for the season than Arrow did. Looking forward to seeing Jay in action.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

It was Atom Smasher.

Anyway, the trailer definitely got me more hyped for the season than Arrow did. Looking forward to seeing Jay in action.

I'm really REALLY curious to see how they're gonna successfully translate so many Speedsters to the story. At last count, we have SIX:


Barry Allen/Flash
Jay Garrick
Wally West
Jessie Quick
Eobard Thawne/Reverse Flash
Zoom


I'm super excited to see if they can pull this off, as no other CBM has yet approached the idea of multiple people wielding the mantle of "Flash." I know they're not gonna call Garrick, Wally, and Barry all "Flash" (though you never know, Garrick may indeed call himself The Flash in his universe), but this gives me a little more hope that someday, somebody will have the balls, time, and planning to translate multiple Robins to the same film or TV series. Someday, maybe I'll get to see Dick, Jason, Tim, and Damian all share a screen. Maybe...

[TurtleTitan97]

I'm really REALLY curious to see how they're gonna successfully translate so many Speedsters to the story. At last count, we have SIX:


Barry Allen/Flash
Jay Garrick
Wally West
Jessie Quick
Eobard Thawne/Reverse Flash
Zoom



This is probably what I'm looking forward to the most. The Flash family is one of the best aspects from the comics and after how they handled the last season I'm sure the writers will do them justice here.

Only hope the likes of Bart Allen, Max Mercury, The Rival, Inertia, and Black Flash aren't too far behind.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

This is probably what I'm looking forward to the most. The Flash family is one of the best aspects from the comics and after how they handled the last season I'm sure the writers will do them justice here.

Only hope the likes of Bart Allen, Max Mercury, The Rival, Inertia, and Black Flash aren't too far behind.

My only concern is doing justice to all the characters. I think Flash will have to go for a good number of seasons before they can introduce all of the characters you want to see.

TBH, if it wasn't for the HUGE success of Season 1, I'd be a lot more concerned about introducing not one, but three new Speedsters who aren't Reverse Flash or Zoom, and all in one season. But I think they'll pull it off!

[Krutch]

I hope we see Black Flash, just not this season.

If I were planning the show, and we had an end game in mind(say, Season 6) I'd introduce him midway through Season 4. And he'd pop up maybe once again that season. Season 5 he'd pop up four times. Then for the final season he's the main villain.

[TurtleTitan97]

Vanessa Williams has been casted as Iris's mother. Wonder if they'll have her be her mother from the 30th century or not: http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/the-flash-iris-mom-vanessa-williams-joe-west-1201605693/

In other news, a new trailer has provided the first glimpse of Zoom:

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[Raph's Girl]

Vanessa Williams has been casted as Iris's mother. Wonder if they'll have her be her mother from the 30th century or not: http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/the-flash-iris-mom-vanessa-williams-joe-west-1201605693/

In other news, a new trailer has provided the first glimpse of Zoom:

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Wait?? Which Vanessa Williams? *reads* Oh! Vanessa A. Williams who is like 2 months younger than Vanessa L. Williams. Im not all that familiar with Vanessa A's work like I am with Vanessa L's... >,<

[TurtleTitan97]

Today's the day! Only a few more hours till the season 2 premiere!

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Today's the day! Only a few more hours till the season 2 premiere!

Can't freaking wait. Atom Smasher seems like he'll be as good of a season-opening threat as the not-Weather Wizard was in Season 1. :tcool:

[TurtleTitan97]

Pretty great premiere episode. Looking forward to seeing more of Jay in the next episode.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

That was amazing. Did not expect...

Eobard Thawne leaving STAR Labs to Barry OR leaving a confession to Nora Allen's murder. Oh, and RIP Ronnie. :tsad:

[Raph's Girl]

That was amazing. Did not expect...

Eobard Thawne leaving STAR Labs to Barry OR leaving a confession to Nora Allen's murder. Oh, and RIP Ronnie. :tsad:

Ronnie's fine. Just stuck on another Earth. Robbie even posted "You haven't seen the last of me.." on his FB page. *lol*

But yeah. I love that Eobard confessed to Nora's murder in his video will. Even more surprised that the confession was accepted. Generally something like that wouldn't be admissable.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Ronnie's fine. Just stuck on another Earth. Robbie even posted "You haven't seen the last of me.." on his FB page. *lol*

But yeah. I love that Eobard confessed to Nora's murder in his video will. Even more surprised that the confession was accepted. Generally something like that wouldn't be admissable.

Oh, yeah, it's totally not the end of that character. Obviously. But I do feel terrible for the bereaved beloved...

[Luigiperps]

Well that's the second time this season they've killed the villain, hope that's not anew trend. I also wish that Zoom could have been the Rival, if he is from Jay's world. But overall, solid episode.

[NinjaPug]

Yeah, when did Team Flash decide it was cool to kill the bad guys?

[TurtleTitan97]

Great episode overall. Teddy Sears makes a great Jay Garrick, and I really liked Patty. Looking forward to the next one.

As for the whole "killing the bad guys", they'll probably only do that with the villains who aren't a part of Flash's main Rogues.

[TurtleTitan97]

Can we just take a moment to appreciate this show for not only giving us Gorilla Grodd, but freaking KING SHARK! Seriously, look at that thing! It's incredible!


https://33.media.tumblr.com/1c432b1fa4fe25b273953c15931d3566/tumblr_nwwrh81Opt1ufsf3go2_500.gif

[Leo656]

I finally just got around to watching the first few episodes of this show. :lol: Good stuff, I like it a lot. It's early but I can see why everyone digs it so much.

[Slade]

Can we just take a moment to appreciate this show for not only giving us Gorilla Grodd, but freaking KING SHARK! Seriously, look at that thing! It's incredible!


https://33.media.tumblr.com/1c432b1fa4fe25b273953c15931d3566/tumblr_nwwrh81Opt1ufsf3go2_500.gif

For the life of me, I could not figure out who that was when it happened, my mind drew a blank :lol:


Good episode, much better than last weeks IMO.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

King Shark, Harrison Wells, and Firestorm. Man oh man, we LOVED this episode last night.

I mean, I got so caught up in the Firestorm drama and it went on for so long, I thought the episode was ending and then Barry gets snatched by this giant freaking gray claw! :tlol:

Amazing stuff.

[Foombamaroom]

King Shark's CGI was absolutely stunning for a TV Show.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

King Shark's CGI was absolutely stunning for a TV Show.

Someone's already said it, but it's astonishing that The Flash's King Shark looks miles better than Suicide Squad's Killer Croc...

[Leo656]

You're gonna have to explain that one to me, chief. Croc looks like Croc. Croc the guy, not Croc the giant monster Jim Lee likes to draw. But still.

Also, I wasn't aware it was a competition. People can't just like things. They have to like things while talking sh*t about other things. Just like things. F*cking internet.

[TurtleTitan97]

So, this is kinda a spoiler that I happened to accidently stumble across concerning next week's episode concerning Dr. Light:

Dr. Light isn't going to be the Kimiyo Hoshi version. It's Earth-2 Linda Park. And based on the promo I saw, she apparently wants to kill Earth-1 Linda for some reason.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

So, this is kinda a spoiler that I happened to accidently stumble across concerning next week's episode concerning Dr. Light:

Dr. Light isn't going to be the Kimiyo Hoshi version. It's Earth-2 Linda Park. And based on the promo I saw, she apparently wants to kill Earth-1 Linda for some reason.


Oho! Fascinating! Where'd you find that? Sounds good to me... I've been wanting to get her back in the game.

You're gonna have to explain that one to me, chief. Croc looks like Croc. Croc the guy, not Croc the giant monster Jim Lee likes to draw. But still.

Also, I wasn't aware it was a competition. People can't just like things. They have to like things while talking sh*t about other things. Just like things. F*cking internet.

Yeah, he looks like Croc-the-guy with the disease, not Croc-the-Lizard-or-Leatherhead-ripoff. But I think it looks like a cheap Halloween mask, all pebbly and rubbery. Not my taste, but not gonna stop me from enjoying Croc's presence in a movie. Barfing goat chunks sounds awesome. :tlol:

So calm down and think happy thoughts, Leo. I'm not here to argue about Croc or Superman with you. :tsmile:

[TurtleTitan97]

Oho! Fascinating! Where'd you find that? Sounds good to me... I've been wanting to get her back in the game.


http://felicitysmoakes.co.vu/post/132075124234/the-flash-205-australian-promo-lq-spoilers

[Leo656]

Yeah, he looks like Croc-the-guy with the disease, not Croc-the-Lizard-or-Leatherhead-ripoff. But I think it looks like a cheap Halloween mask, all pebbly and rubbery. Not my taste, but not gonna stop me from enjoying Croc's presence in a movie. Barfing goat chunks sounds awesome. :tlol:

So calm down and think happy thoughts, Leo. I'm not here to argue about Croc or Superman with you. :tsmile:

I think it looks suitably reptilian; I do get what you're seeing but I think it's fine for the movie they're doing. I mean it looks like 99% of the movie is gonna be shot in shadows, anyway. I'm glad they're taking that approach. They could just as easily have made him a CGI Hulk because that's what everyone does now, so I'm glad they went practical even if it's not as smooth and shiny or whatever.

What struck me most about your comment to the point of saying anything was 1. The entire Croc/Shark compare/contrast came completely out of left field to begin with, and 2. As I said, thanks to the f***ing internet it is physically impossible for ANY person to just say they like something, without also tearing something else down needlessly. It's why I hate this place and am glad I'm barely active anymore. I do skim every couple days, and sure enough, it's the same sh*t as ever, everywhere. Even when the thing a person dislikes isn't even relevant to the conversation at hand, they'll be sure and cram in SOMEthing they hate, just to make their post "complete". "I have nothing to dislike about this. So let me reach way up my ass and pull out something totally irrelevant JUST so I have something snarky to say."

It's stupid. And it's not just you, so don't think it's personal, it's not, I mean yours was barely anything. It's a much bigger problem that affects everyone. I'm simply commenting on how the internet makes even the best people into f*cking jackals for no reason and meanwhile everyone just plays along. Not me, I hate this f*cking place.

Anyways, carry on. I'd hope that someone might learn something from this but nobody ever does, so whatever.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I think it looks suitably reptilian; I do get what you're seeing but I think it's fine for the movie they're doing. I mean it looks like 99% of the movie is gonna be shot in shadows, anyway. I'm glad they're taking that approach. They could just as easily have made him a CGI Hulk because that's what everyone does now, so I'm glad they went practical even if it's not as smooth and shiny or whatever.

What struck me most about your comment to the point of saying anything was 1. The entire Croc/Shark compare/contrast came completely out of left field to begin with, and 2. As I said, thanks to the f***ing internet it is physically impossible for ANY person to just say they like something, without also tearing something else down needlessly. It's why I hate this place and am glad I'm barely active anymore. I do skim every couple days, and sure enough, it's the same sh*t as ever, everywhere. Even when the thing a person dislikes isn't even relevant to the conversation at hand, they'll be sure and cram in SOMEthing they hate, just to make their post "complete". "I have nothing to dislike about this. So let me reach way up my ass and pull out something totally irrelevant JUST so I have something snarky to say."

It's stupid. And it's not just you, so don't think it's personal, it's not, I mean yours was barely anything. It's a much bigger problem that affects everyone. I'm simply commenting on how the internet makes even the best people into f*cking jackals for no reason and meanwhile everyone just plays along. Not me, I hate this f*cking place.

Anyways, carry on. I'd hope that someone might learn something from this but nobody ever does, so whatever.

Seeing how King Shark is very often a member of the Suicide Squad (see the Flash Zero Year comics for probably his latest appearances on that team), the comparison isn't out of left field at all. Shortstop or second base, maybe.

I'm not sure how I would prefer a scaly-disease Croc to look, and while that's definitely in the right direction, it doesn't look organic; it looks plastic. I dunno. It's not gonna ruin anything for me. But DAMN that King Shark! :teek:

Also, I find it quite odd that you're still around and subjecting yourself to a place that seems to drive you batty. This IS the internet, after all:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=internet&defid=63437

[Leo656]

I get lots of PMs and I don't want those people to feel like I'm ignoring them, so I pop on for that, but THEN I always end up skimming a few threads, against my best judgment, waiting for someone to redeem my faith in humanity.

Nope! Place still sucks! :lol: And if you look at some of the other threads, it's actually gotten worse lately. Best thing that can happen for anyone is that the whole thing crashes and burns. Most people would just take their nonsense to any of the other 500 forums and message boards that they waste their days and weeks on, but at least a few people would take their newfound freedom and put it to good, non-internet use, if they weren't chained to this place night and day.

But you're right, I need to exercise more restraint and stay the f*ck away from this place. As do we all.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I get lots of PMs and I don't want those people to feel like I'm ignoring them, so I pop on for that, but THEN I always end up skimming a few threads, against my best judgment, waiting for someone to redeem my faith in humanity.

Nope! Place still sucks! :lol: And if you look at some of the other threads, it's actually gotten worse lately. Best thing that can happen for anyone is that the whole thing crashes and burns. Most people would just take their nonsense to any of the other 500 forums and message boards that they waste their days and weeks on, but at least a few people would take their newfound freedom and put it to good, non-internet use, if they weren't chained to this place night and day.

But you're right, I need to exercise more restraint and stay the f*ck away from this place. As do we all.

Can't argue with ya on that, Leo... I guess it doesn't bother me much, though, because honestly, I've never had faith in humanity.

But hey, you and me, man... at least we'll both be enjoying the heck out of Batman V Superman and Suicide Squad!

[Leo656]

The best part of me enjoying it, will be keeping every bit of that enjoyment to myself and not saying a word about it to anyone, as nature intended.

I'm not sure who ever though "People coming together to publicly share opinions as a group" was ever a good idea in the first place. That's like... the WORST idea anyone ever had.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB19IyHGpTk

Sneak peek of tonight's episode... apparently Earth-2 Wells and Jay don't get along.

Also... correct me if I'm mistaken, but I believe we just had our first glimpse of Violett Beane as Jesse Quick!

[TurtleTitan97]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB19IyHGpTk

Sneak peek of tonight's episode... apparently Earth-2 Wells and Jay don't get along.

Also... correct me if I'm mistaken, but I believe we just had our first glimpse of Violett Beane as Jesse Quick!

You're not mistaken my friend, it is indeed her.

I'm guessing this could mean Jesse could be Jay's equivalent to Kid Flash once she gains her powers.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

You're not mistaken my friend, it is indeed her.

I'm guessing this could mean Jesse could be Jay's equivalent to Kid Flash once she gains her powers.

I'm still dying to know how she and Wally will get their powers...

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I love how Cisco sums up his enemies:

"She seems nice... you don't."
"Our Dr. Wells was evil but you're just a dick."

Crisco!

LOVE the Earth-1 Dr. Wells... who has a daughter!?

[TurtleTitan97]

This was by far the funniest episode of Flash by far. :lol:

Yeah, did not expect that to see Wells-2 to have a daughter. I wonder what the story behind Jesse is? Also, dat Aquaman reference.

[Raph's Girl]

Oh! I didn't realize Dr. Well's daughter was Jesse Quick! :o

Love that Aquaman and Jay are BFF's tho... and that Atlantis is above the water...Looks like there's a story to be told there from the way he was talking about it.

[Slade]

So, does anyone else think Zoom sent Wells to Earth 1?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

So, does anyone else think Zoom sent Wells to Earth 1?

I'm wondering about that... it's a huge possibility.

[Leo656]

I'm only on episode 7 so far but I can understand all the "Best Super-Hero Show Ever" hyperbole. It might even be true, I'unno yet. It's way the hell up there though.

Y'know Cisco's technically based on Vibe? Unreal! I guess you can make anything good.

[Raph's Girl]

Y'know Cisco's technically based on Vibe? Unreal! I guess you can make anything good.

Not technically. He IS Vibe, just with a different set of powers. And Kaitlyn Snow is Killer Frost.

[Leo656]

Guess I shouldn't be surprised it turned out that way. Show seems pretty good at "keepin' it real".

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Guess I shouldn't be surprised it turned out that way. Show seems pretty good at "keepin' it real".

Yeah, man. Not "based", IS. And I was expecting his powers to take a lot longer to develop... you're in for some banging good stories.

[Leo656]

Not gonna lie, when I found out I was like, "Aww, man." Because I like Cisco on the show but really hate Vibe from the comics. :trazz:

'Chu 'no whut I'm talkin' 'bout, gringo?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Not gonna lie, when I found out I was like, "Aww, man." Because I like Cisco on the show but really hate Vibe from the comics. :trazz:

'Chu 'no whut I'm talkin' 'bout, gringo?

Eat a chimichanga and experience universal love, you hatemonger.

[TurtleTitan97]

Not gonna lie, when I found out I was like, "Aww, man." Because I like Cisco on the show but really hate Vibe from the comics. :trazz:

'Chu 'no whut I'm talkin' 'bout, gringo?

From what I hear these days Vibe in the comics isn't all that bad either.

[Foombamaroom]

'Enter Zoom', though.

That wasn't a fight. That was like Chris Brown vs. Rihanna, my god.

[TurtleTitan97]

So Oliver's dad was The Arrow of Earth-2? That's neat. And I like Jesse Quick from what we've seen of her.

Just when I thought the Reverse Flash couldn't be topped, Zoom just stole the title. That was just freaking perfect, not even Thawne was that vicious!

And can we talk about how AMAZING Grodd looks in this trailer! Looks like they updated the design:

aetmVJNf7pU

[NinjaPug]

Great intro for Zoom. I could've done without Barry revealing his identity to another person.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Let me pick my jaw up off the floor...

Holy crap, Zoom is a BEAST. He definitely has a grudge against "heroes" and speedsters... makes me lean more towards the "resurrected Eddie Thawne" theory than the Earth-2 Barry Allen theory.

which, to be honest... if CW is deliberately using Earth-2 as a giant red herring for the entire season and for Zoom's identity... THAT'S BRILLIANT.

[Foombamaroom]

But when he threw the lightning back at Barry...
http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/zomg.gif

And I thought Damien Darhk was a badass.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I fully expected Zoom to casually sidestep the lightning bolt.

I did NOT expect to see Zoom catch the lightning bolt and send it back to Barry. :teek: Were I a lesser man, breeches might have been soiled.

[Foombamaroom]

Jay's going to see Barry next episode and just jump around like, "I TOLD YOU SO! WHO TOLD YOU SO? I TOLD YOU SO!"

But yeah. Zoom saw that lightning bolt and was basically like, "Ahem." and yeah. Bye bye, Barry.

Super excited for the next Zoom episode, though. I mean, we all know Flash is going to get is speed back somehow (probably by the end of 7.), so it'll be interesting to see his second confrontation with Zoom. I hope he has another one with him relatively soon (Mid-season finale or maybe somewhere around 15, 16, or 17.) Hopefully they don't stretch their next confrontation out to the finale. It seems like the only way Barry's going to learn how to fight Zoom is going to be by fighting Zoom.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Jay's going to see Barry next episode and just jump around like, "I TOLD YOU SO! WHO TOLD YOU SO? I TOLD YOU SO!"

But yeah. Zoom saw that lightning bolt and was basically like, "Ahem." and yeah. Bye bye, Barry.

Super excited for the next Zoom episode, though. I mean, we all know Flash is going to get is speed back somehow (probably by the end of 7.), so it'll be interesting to see his second confrontation with Zoom. I hope he has another one with him relatively soon (Mid-season finale or maybe somewhere around 15, 16, or 17.) Hopefully they don't stretch their next confrontation out to the finale. It seems like the only way Barry's going to learn how to fight Zoom is going to be by fighting Zoom.

Well, Barry is paralyzed, not slow. So I'm predicting either his advanced healing will take care of itself, or Harrison Wells does a little nano-surgery (or something).

Possibly the same thing that results in Jay getting his speed back...?

I'm hoping to see Zoom wrecking shite again in Episode #10. Damn, straight from Harrison Wells, to Zoom, to Grodd, all in three episodes! :tgrin:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Here's my official prediction: Wells' speed-neutralizer serum can be reversed, and STAR Labs uses it to give speed to Jesse "Quick" Wells (to avenge her father, who has been killed by Zoom) and Wally (although Wally may go against everyone's wishes in speedifying himself). This is also what gives Jay his speed back. Then we get at least three, maybe four, good speedsters all teamed up against Zoom.

[Foombamaroom]

Then we get at least three, maybe four, good speedsters all teamed up against Zoom.

Teenage Mutant Ninja Speedsters, Teenage Mutant Ninja Speedsters, Teenage Mutant Ninja Speedsters

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Teenage Mutant Ninja Speedsters, Teenage Mutant Ninja Speedsters, Teenage Mutant Ninja Speedsters

Even though I'm not a crossover fan, I think I would die and go to heaven if we got a Flash/TMNT crossover. :tlol:

Zoom needs some bladed armor!

[Slade]

Here's my official prediction: Wells' speed-neutralizer serum can be reversed, and STAR Labs uses it to give speed to Jesse "Quick" Wells (to avenge her father, who has been killed by Zoom) and Wally (although Wally may go against everyone's wishes in speedifying himself). This is also what gives Jay his speed back. Then we get at least three, maybe four, good speedsters all teamed up against Zoom.

Wally being Iris brother is a problem with me. I'm starting to wonder if he's not going to turn out to be the speedster version, but his dad.

[TurtleTitan97]

HOLY CRUDE WE ACTUALLY GOT GORILLA FREAKING CITY!!! :o

Calling it right now, Grodd is gonna be the main villain for season 3!



This show is the freaking best.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

HOLY CRUDE WE ACTUALLY GOT GORILLA FREAKING CITY!!! :o

Calling it right now, Grodd is gonna be the main villain for season 3!



This show is the freaking best.

Considering how much CGI CW would need for Gorilla City and a season long focus on Grodd, I wouldn't get my hopes up. I want it just as badly, but I don't see it happening with any greater extent than a two-parter. :tsad:

Prove me wrong, CW!

[TurtleTitan97]

Considering how much CGI CW would need for Gorilla City and a season long focus on Grodd, I wouldn't get my hopes up. I want it just as badly, but I don't see it happening with any greater extent than a two-parter. :tsad:

Prove me wrong, CW!

That's a good point. Grodd would probably work better as villain for a two part episode.

But man, this episode. I really impressed by the new CGI model they used for Grodd. Also, for some reason I feel as though they're gonna use the spare Reverse-Flash outfit for Wally's costume by retooling it.

[Raph's Girl]

Ahem.... SQUEEEEEE!!!! GORILLA CITY!!! :o

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Man, Team STAR Labs REALLY needs to bring Patty into the loop.

She freaking shot Harrison Wells!

And when is Flash going to start writing Jay Garrick as less of a pvssy?

[TurtleTitan97]

Vandal Savage was a boss! He's not exactly on Zoom's level, but he was still pretty great.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Vandal was pretty dope, and the scene with Barry saving everyone from the knives was just as good as I was hoping for.

But again... PATTY SHOT WELLS! :tcry:

[Foombamaroom]

Kinda hate Patty right now.

And why is it that the writers of The Flash can make Felicity bearable but the writers of Arrow can't?

[TurtleTitan97]

And why is it that the writers of The Flash can make Felicity bearable but the writers of Arrow can't?

Speed Force, man. That's the only acceptable answer when dealing with anything Flash related. :lol:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Kinda hate Patty right now.

And why is it that the writers of The Flash can make Felicity bearable but the writers of Arrow can't?

Not Patty's fault; it's Joe's fault for insisting Barry not tell Patty his secret identity.

Dammit, Joe, you're my favorite TV dad but you make some sh!t-awful decisions sometimes.

[Slade]

Patty will probably find out end of tomorrow's episode.

[Raph's Girl]

Marco Grazzini has been cast as the meta-human known as Tar Pit. An enemy of not only The Flash but Capt. Cold as well.

Created by Geoff Johns and Scott Kolins, the character was introduced in 2001. A small-time drug trafficker, Monteleone discovered in jail that he could project his astral self out into the world to get in trouble. At one point, his spirit became trapped in an animated vat of tar, leaving Joey to walk the earth with a body made of flaming, molten asphalt while his physical form remained in a coma at Iron Heights Prison. In the comics, he not only runs afoul of The Flash, but also Captain Cold

In the TV series, The CW revealed to us that Tar Pit is a vengeful meta-human with the ability to transform into molten asphalt. When he crosses paths with The Flash, Tar Pit uses his powers to gain a tactical advantage over the Scarlet Speedster, who finds the ground literally shifting beneath his feet.


http://comicbook.com/2015/12/02/exclusive-marco-grazzini-cast-as-tar-pit-in-the-flash/

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Marco Grazzini has been cast as the meta-human known as Tar Pit. An enemy of not only The Flash but Capt. Cold as well.



http://comicbook.com/2015/12/02/exclusive-marco-grazzini-cast-as-tar-pit-in-the-flash/

I wonder if he's another Earth-2 henchmeta...

[TurtleTitan97]

Can't wait for the next episode. Looking forward to meeting Wally West.

Also, loving this preview! We finally get to see the Rogues starting to work together. All we need now is Mirror Master, Dr. Alchemy, and the Top.

k1sFg9rZsno

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Can't wait for the next episode. Looking forward to meeting Wally West.

Also, loving this preview! We finally get to see the Rogues starting to work together. All we need now is Mirror Master, Dr. Alchemy, and the Top.

k1sFg9rZsno

Looks like Snart is gonna be caught in the middle again...

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

http://screenrant.com/flash-wally-west-images-tar-pit-actor/

Wally meets Joe and Iris...

[Foombamaroom]

Y'know, I think this would've made a great episode... If it wasn't a mid-season finale. I dunno. I was kinda hoping 2x09 would have something to do with Zoom.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Y'know, I think this would've made a great episode... If it wasn't a mid-season finale. I dunno. I was kinda hoping 2x09 would have something to do with Zoom.

I feel the same way. Maybe he makes his return in the very last moments of the episode?

But I am at least looking forward to Wally's debut, the Rogues' return, and what I hope is Patty learning Barry's secret.

[Foombamaroom]

I feel the same way. Maybe he makes his return in the very last moments of the episode?

But I am at least looking forward to Wally's debut, the Rogues' return, and what I hope is Patty learning Barry's secret.

I REALLY hope Patty doesn't go full Felicity if she finds out about his secret.

"OHMAYGAWADYOUKEAPTTHISFROMMECRYCRYCRY."

Honest to Christ, if my boyfriend/girlfriend/relative/friend/whatever was a superhero, I'd probably react more like Thea.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I REALLY hope Patty doesn't go full Felicity if she finds out about his secret.

"OHMAYGAWADYOUKEAPTTHISFROMMECRYCRYCRY."

Honest to Christ, if my boyfriend/girlfriend/relative/friend/whatever was a superhero, I'd probably react more like Thea.

Patty has proven to be much more mature than Iris. If anyone, she'll be mad at JOE. Who deserves it.

[Foombamaroom]

Patty has proven to be much more mature than Iris. If anyone, she'll be mad at JOE. Who deserves it.
Wait...
OH MY GOD.
JOE'S FINDING OUT ABOUT HIS KID.
AND YOU WANT PATTY TO GET MAD AT HIM?

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH CYLON, FELICITY?!

(Nah, but I agree. But I really just wanna see Zoom kill some bitches.)

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Wait...
OH MY GOD.
JOE'S FINDING OUT ABOUT HIS KID.
AND YOU WANT PATTY TO GET MAD AT HIM?

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH CYLON, FELICITY?!

(Nah, but I agree. But I really just wanna see Zoom kill some bitches.)

It's all Joe's fault. HE'S the one who won't let Barry tell Patty, which is why Patty shot Wells.

DAMMIT JOE!

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Turns out Weather Wizard is a colossal d!ck:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UehGV8APOuM

[Foombamaroom]

I would've preferred this to be the mid-season premiere rather than the finale. It was pretty 'meh.'

[TurtleTitan97]

Pretty decent episode. Always a treat to see Mark Hamill.

Looking forward to seeing more Wally West.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Pretty lowkey for a mid-season finale.

Looks like next episode would've been a better cliffhanger and/or bang to go out on:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHPQxVHSu4A&feature=player_embedded

[Raph's Girl]

Actor/Comedian Tone Bell (real name Michael Anthony Bell) has been cast in The Flash as Iris' new boss at the newspaper (since the old one was killed by Zoom) and possible love interest.

http://tvline.com/2015/12/09/the-flash-season-2-cast-tone-bell-iris-new-boss/

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Deleted scene from 2x09 "Running to Stand Still." Trickster and Weather Wizard have it out after Trickster's bombs fail to kill Patty and Flash...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdtNMGCu_nQ

[Btown]

mid season finale was good. Not as great as last years but it was still good. This one seemed to hit a lot of people in the feels. I was more pumped to find out what Zoom wants with Flash. Its going to be a long 6 weeks till we come back.

[Raph's Girl]

Aaand another speedster is joining The Flash tv series. No casting as of yet but Eliza Hamilton aka The Trajectory (she was introduced in The 52) will be popping up.

Hamilton's TV version will be an “exceptionally bright scientist” with a “split personality a la Jekyll and Hyde.”


http://comicbook.com/2015/12/16/dc-comics-character-eliza-harmon-to-appear-on-the-flash/

[TurtleTitan97]

Aaand another speedster is joining The Flash tv series. No casting as of yet but Eliza Hamilton aka The Trajectory (she was introduced in The 52) will be popping up.




http://comicbook.com/2015/12/16/dc-comics-character-eliza-harmon-to-appear-on-the-flash/

Interesting, I suppose. But what I really wanna know is when will Mirror Master and Dr. Alchemy appear? They were confirmed to appear in season 2 months ago...

[Raph's Girl]

Adam Stafford (no clue who he is) has been cast as Geomancer, a meta that can create earthquakes. He'll appear in episodes 13 and 14.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/the-flash-tv-series-adds-dc-comics-villain-geomancer

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Aaand another speedster is joining The Flash tv series. No casting as of yet but Eliza Hamilton aka The Trajectory (she was introduced in The 52) will be popping up.




http://comicbook.com/2015/12/16/dc-comics-character-eliza-harmon-to-appear-on-the-flash/

Okay, ENOUGH with the speedsters already! :tlol: You're only on Season TWO, guys!

Interesting, I suppose. But what I really wanna know is when will Mirror Master and Dr. Alchemy appear? They were confirmed to appear in season 2 months ago...

I'm really impatient for Mirror Master; wasn't Pied Piper supposed to return in Season 2 as well?

Adam Stafford (no clue who he is) has been cast as Geomancer, a meta that can create earthquakes. He'll appear in episodes 13 and 14.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/the-flash-tv-series-adds-dc-comics-villain-geomancer

A two-parter? Huh. I guess Zoom's going right back to throwing more metas at Barry now that Harry is under Zoom's clawy black thumb.

[TurtleTitan97]

Robbie Amell returns to the Flash as his villainous Earth-2 counterpart, Deathstorm, alongside Killer Frost: http://www.ew.com/article/2016/01/04/flash-robbie-amell-returning-deathstorm

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Zoom going after Patty, then Eobard Thawne, and soon Killer Frost and Deathstorm? :tcool:

January 19th cannot come quickly enough to suit my needs. :tlol:

[Foombamaroom]

Hopefully we get another Zoom beatdown in 2x10. At this point, I really am rooting for Zoom.

[TurtleTitan97]

Kevin Smith will be directing an upcoming episode: http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/markcassidycbm/news/?a=129808

And while he won't be back for the remainder of the season, Gorilla Grodd could possibly be the main threat for Season 3 (called it!): http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/GraphicCity/news/?a=129818

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Kevin Smith will be directing an upcoming episode: http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/markcassidycbm/news/?a=129808

And while he won't be back for the remainder of the season, Gorilla Grodd could possibly be the main threat for Season 3 (called it!): http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/GraphicCity/news/?a=129818

Grodd had absolutely BETTER BE the main threat for Season 3!!!

[Foombamaroom]

I'm not a fan of this idea, to be honest. Grodd doesn't seem interesting enough to me to hold a whole season, unless they made him able to form actual sentences.

Also, the fact that they compared him to Ra's makes me scared... We don't need the Flash Season 3 to suffer the Arrow Season 3 curse.

I can already hear Patty now.

"Oh my god, Barry, you can't go fight Grodd!! He'll kill you!!!"
*Three episodes later.*
"WHY DIDN'T YOU CALL THE MOMENT YOU GOT OUT ALIVE FOMGOIAHSGOIAH?! I CAN'T BE A WOMAN IN YOUR LIFE MBEIAHAHAANIANG"
*Sleeps with Cisco.*

[TurtleTitan97]

I'm not a fan of this idea, to be honest. Grodd doesn't seem interesting enough to me to hold a whole season, unless they made him able to form actual sentences.

Also, the fact that they compared him to Ra's makes me scared... We don't need the Flash Season 3 to suffer the Arrow Season 3 curse.


Well if his last episode seemed to be any indication, he's gotten smarter since his debut episode, and hopefully will most likely continue to evolve into the gorilla menace that he's known for. That's what I'm hoping for anyway.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'm not a fan of this idea, to be honest. Grodd doesn't seem interesting enough to me to hold a whole season, unless they made him able to form actual sentences.

Also, the fact that they compared him to Ra's makes me scared... We don't need the Flash Season 3 to suffer the Arrow Season 3 curse.

I can already hear Patty now.

"Oh my god, Barry, you can't go fight Grodd!! He'll kill you!!!"
*Three episodes later.*
"WHY DIDN'T YOU CALL THE MOMENT YOU GOT OUT ALIVE FOMGOIAHSGOIAH?! I CAN'T BE A WOMAN IN YOUR LIFE MBEIAHAHAANIANG"
*Sleeps with Cisco.*

1. You're overreacting. Grodd is an amazing character, CW just hasn't been able to use him to his full potential yet. But if they do actually have a long-term plan for him, I trust them to make him awesome.

2. Grodd is at least a true enemy of the Flash, whereas R'as al Ghul was not an Arrow enemy.

3. Even though they totally screwed up Season 3, R'as al Ghul was never really the problem in Arrow. Matt Nable was good, it was the writing that sucked. And they DID do a good job of gradually building to him, what with Season 2, the League of Assassins, Nyssa, et al.

4. As much as it would suck for Barry, I'm totally okay with anything that gets Cisco a little more action. Maybe he'll play... :tcool: Patty-cake!

[TurtleTitan97]

4. As much as it would suck for Barry, I'm totally okay with anything that gets Cisco a little more action. Maybe he'll play... :tcool: Patty-cake!

All of a sudden I'm getting flashbacks to Who Framed Roger Rabbit...:lol:

[TLP]

I can already hear Patty now.

"Oh my god, Barry, you can't go fight Grodd!! He'll kill you!!!"
*Three episodes later.*
"WHY DIDN'T YOU CALL THE MOMENT YOU GOT OUT ALIVE FOMGOIAHSGOIAH?! I CAN'T BE A WOMAN IN YOUR LIFE MBEIAHAHAANIANG"
*Sleeps with Cisco.*

I'm completely expecting that at this point. I already detest Patty's character. (She serves mainly as a romantic plot device to prolong the destiny between Barry and Iris, similar to Oliver and Laurel's true relationship for each other. Why does that have to always happen at the very very end for these shows?)

Ah well, hopefully The Flash actually gets a Season 3, unless DC thinks it's a little too close to The Flash movie. (Which I honestly doubt, since it's like a year-long gap between the two. Meaning we may only get 3 seasons of this show.)

[Foombamaroom]

1. You're overreacting. Grodd is an amazing character, CW just hasn't been able to use him to his full potential yet. But if they do actually have a long-term plan for him, I trust them to make him awesome.

2. Grodd is at least a true enemy of the Flash, whereas R'as al Ghul was not an Arrow enemy.

3. Even though they totally screwed up Season 3, R'as al Ghul was never really the problem in Arrow. Matt Nable was good, it was the writing that sucked. And they DID do a good job of gradually building to him, what with Season 2, the League of Assassins, Nyssa, et al.

4. As much as it would suck for Barry, I'm totally okay with anything that gets Cisco a little more action. Maybe he'll play... :tcool: Patty-cake!

Yeah, the build up was great, but the overall result was disappointing. Ra's is a monster, and they nerfed his ass. Hell, he even got yelled at by Felicity.
Grodd as a villain would be great if we had a more evolved version of him. All I know is that I don't want another speedster as a villain. You can't top Zoom, it's just not possible.

I'm completely expecting that at this point. I already detest Patty's character. (She serves mainly as a romantic plot device to prolong the destiny between Barry and Iris, similar to Oliver and Laurel's true relationship for each other. Why does that have to always happen at the very very end for these shows?)

Ah well, hopefully The Flash actually gets a Season 3, unless DC thinks it's a little too close to The Flash movie. (Which I honestly doubt, since it's like a year-long gap between the two. Meaning we may only get 3 seasons of this show.)
I don't mind the Patty thing because right now it works. Eddie died, and Iris hasn't really had any romantic interest with anyone because of Eddie's death. It's also nice to see the two as just friends for now. It's not Patty I'm afraid of becoming this show's Felicity, it's Caitlyn. I just have a bad feeling about that.

The Flash will definitely get a Season 3, no questions asked. Season 4... That depends. Arrow's supposed to end with Season 5, but god knows the CW doesn't let their shows end when it's necessary, so I'm not sure. But I feel as long as Arrow goes, the Flash is going to go. I honestly feel like the CW's endgame is to make a Justice League show.

[TLP]

The Flash will definitely get a Season 3, no questions asked. Season 4... That depends. Arrow's supposed to end with Season 5, but god knows the CW doesn't let their shows end when it's necessary, so I'm not sure. But I feel as long as Arrow goes, the Flash is going to go. I honestly feel like the CW's endgame is to make a Justice League show.

I think Stephen Amell mentioned at one point that they wanted to end with 6 seasons.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Yeah, the build up was great, but the overall result was disappointing. Ra's is a monster, and they nerfed his ass. Hell, he even got yelled at by Felicity.
Grodd as a villain would be great if we had a more evolved version of him. All I know is that I don't want another speedster as a villain. You can't top Zoom, it's just not possible.


I don't mind the Patty thing because right now it works. Eddie died, and Iris hasn't really had any romantic interest with anyone because of Eddie's death. It's also nice to see the two as just friends for now. It's not Patty I'm afraid of becoming this show's Felicity, it's Caitlyn. I just have a bad feeling about that.

The Flash will definitely get a Season 3, no questions asked. Season 4... That depends. Arrow's supposed to end with Season 5, but god knows the CW doesn't let their shows end when it's necessary, so I'm not sure. But I feel as long as Arrow goes, the Flash is going to go. I honestly feel like the CW's endgame is to make a Justice League show.

Gah, Caitlyn is being RUINED this season. :tgrumble:

I think Stephen Amell mentioned at one point that they wanted to end with 6 seasons.

He's contracted for seven.

[TurtleTitan97]

Well this is a pleasant surprise! Aaron Douglas has been casted to play the very first villain Barry Allen went up against in his debut issue of Showcase #4: The Turtle! http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/KingPatel/news/?a=129883

Funny thing is I actually was joking to someone awhile back that the show should add him. Funny how things turn out. :lol:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Now that Legends of Tomorrow will finally be up and running on its own, we can skip the spinoff-setup BS and FINALLY get back to focusing on The Flash.

http://screenrant.com/the-flash-season-2-zoom-multi-verse/

I'm gonna love Legends of Tomorrow, but that damn show has REALLY stalled both Arrow and The Flash. Arrow even more so... so much Sarah BS. :trolleye:

[Foombamaroom]

Oh, Cylon, you act as if Arrow would've been better if they hadn't had Legends on there. :lol::lol::lol:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Oh, Cylon, you act as if Arrow would've been better if they hadn't had Legends on there. :lol::lol::lol:

It would have. Marginally. MARGINALLY.

[Foombamaroom]

It would have. Marginally. MARGINALLY.

Not when we've got this bitch still on the show:
http://i.imgur.com/VW2WMAz.png

[sdp]

I just watched the first episode and I wasn't impressed, in fact I think the 90s flash series pilot was a lot better. That show gets a lot of flack but I really liked it. I'm also mad that Iris West is black, ugh. The 90s show also messed up Iris West. Anyway Flash is one of my favorite superheroes and I look forward to seeing the other episodes even if I hadn't been feeling this flash show and didn't like the Arrow S2 crossover. I always wanted a new flash show and hope this can be it, I'm a big fan of Arrow.

[Foombamaroom]

I just watched the first episode and I wasn't impressed, in fact I think the 90s flash series pilot was a lot better. That show gets a lot of flack but I really liked it. I'm also mad that Iris West is black, ugh. The 90s show also messed up Iris West. Anyway Flash is one of my favorite superheroes and I look forward to seeing the other episodes even if I hadn't been feeling this flash show and didn't like the Arrow S2 crossover. I always wanted a new flash show and hope this can be it, I'm a big fan of Arrow.

First 8 episodes are meh, but once you get to episode 9, that's where everything gets good.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Not when we've got this bitch still on the show:
http://i.imgur.com/VW2WMAz.png

Pulling out the glut of LoT setup resulting in a better season 4 has nothing to do with Felicity; she's a lost cause. But removing all the Sarah crap would have given us a lot more room for advancing the main plot. Also, I'm sick of Laurel being in Sarah's shadow. Let Laurel move ON already.

[TLP]

http://i.imgur.com/VW2WMAz.png

https://49.media.tumblr.com/1423fa94c3988461b116209626deb25d/tumblr_mkrb1gyc1g1r90ooxo1_400.gif

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

https://49.media.tumblr.com/1423fa94c3988461b116209626deb25d/tumblr_mkrb1gyc1g1r90ooxo1_400.gif

For a 3 Stooges reference, you may bear the title of "My Favorite Person" for the rest of the day. It comes with an honorary badge made of aluminum foil, cardstock, and glitter... make sure you give it back to me before you leave for the day. :twink:

[Ninjinister]

Not when we've got this bitch still on the show:
http://i.imgur.com/VW2WMAz.png

The f**k is wrong with Felicity?

[Cure]

Yeah, I'd like to know, too.

[TurtleTitan97]

The f**k is wrong with Felicity?

Most fans found her to be written as too whiny and annoying in the previous season. She was fine in the first two, but after Oliver's first showdown with Ra's, that was when the show seemed to go downhill. And there's the fact the show's making her become Oracle in all but name, which is another Batman-related thing this show has "borrowed".

Add that to the fact that the show's pushing her and Oliver as a couple instead of him and Dinah thanks to shippers, it's understandable that the majority of Arrow fans have become tired of her and want her to be killed off.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Most fans found her to be written as too whiny and annoying in the previous season. She was fine in the first two, but after Oliver's first showdown with Ra's, that was when the show seemed to go downhill. And there's the fact the show's making her become Oracle in all but name, which is another Batman-related thing this show has "borrowed".

Add that to the fact that the show's pushing her and Oliver as a couple instead of him and Dinah thanks to shippers, it's understandable that the majority of Arrow fans have become tired of her and want her to be killed off.

The fact that Felicity is the most self-absorbed character in the show. She made it all about herself and her feelings for Oliver; never mind the city, never mind Thea or Roy; never mind that she was never even supposed to BE Oliver's love (the Season 2 finale of her and Oliver was a deliberate ruse to fool Slade and protect Laurel, thus inciting shippers and fangirls to demand this become reality).

Basically, the writers pushed her past her character role to become an emotionally overwraught, lovesick hanger-on whose character development completely devolved into "Do I want to bed Ray or Ollie?" It was pathetic, and ruined a character that most everybody agrees was great in Seasons 1 and 2 (and even up to Oliver's death in the Season 3 midfinale).

Season 4 has done nothing to fix her problems, and instead, seems to even be compounding them. And another problem? She is HOGGING female character screentime. Laurel is woefully underserved this season, still in Sarah's shadow.

[Leo656]

Still got dem calves tho. Whoooo.

[M.O.D.O.K.]

Felicity wasn't too bad this season until the Flash/Arrow crossover. That's when the melodrama was hitting big time.

I think Patty, despite superficially sharing a lot similarities with Felicity, works better because they gave her an actual character arc outside of being Barry's love interest and they actually gave her flaws instead of being this SUPER AWESOME FLAWLESS HACKER Felicity is.

[Foombamaroom]

I think the episode that really seals in how much of a bitch Felicity is is 4x08. Oliver finds out he has a kid, and she doesn't give him any room to breathe about it.

I wish the writers would have Oliver pimp slap this bitch.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Also, Felicity as CEO of a company is idiotic.

If my ex was a CEO and she died, even if she left the company to me in his will, I'm pretty sure stockholders and the board of directors would have control of the company out of my hands within a week. I'd be financially compensated, but running a company? :trolleye:

Felicity as a CEO is the dumbest thing I've ever seen in Arrow. I hate it more than I hate Olicity, to be perfectly honest. <<braces for barrage of angry betrayed accusations from Foomby>>

[Foombamaroom]

Also, Felicity as CEO of a company is idiotic.

If my ex was a CEO and she died, even if she left the company to me in his will, I'm pretty sure stockholders and the board of directors would have control of the company out of my hands within a week. I'd be financially compensated, but running a company? :trolleye:

Felicity as a CEO is the dumbest thing I've ever seen in Arrow. I hate it more than I hate Olicity, to be perfectly honest. <<braces for barrage of angry betrayed accusations from Foomby>>
You betray me.
http://www.cinemablend.com/images/news_img/104557/TR_8R_104557.jpg


Nah, but I agree with you, bro. It's like the writers keep forcing Felicity to have storylines.

But enough about that. Anyone else EXTREMELY excited to see more Zoom? My only real gripe about season 1 is that they made us wait from 1x09 to 1x22 for Barry to fight Reverse Flash again. I hope they give us one or two more battles with Zoom between now and the season finale, but it looks like we might be getting one in 2x10.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

You betray me.
http://www.cinemablend.com/images/news_img/104557/TR_8R_104557.jpg


Nah, but I agree with you, bro. It's like the writers keep forcing Felicity to have storylines.

But enough about that. Anyone else EXTREMELY excited to see more Zoom? My only real gripe about season 1 is that they made us wait from 1x09 to 1x22 for Barry to fight Reverse Flash again. I hope they give us one or two more battles with Zoom between now and the season finale, but it looks like we might be getting one in 2x10.

They absolutely DO keep forcing it.

ZOOM! ZOOM! ZOOM!

[Foombamaroom]

Well, tonight's the mid-season premiere. Anyone think Patty's gonna die?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Well, tonight's the mid-season premiere. Anyone think Patty's gonna die?

Nah; she's too awesome. I'm just hoping Barry mans up and tells her that he's the Flash.

[Foombamaroom]

Nah; she's too awesome. I'm just hoping Barry mans up and tells her that he's the Flash.

Watch her get her neck snapped by Zoom as soon as he tries telling her. XD I think she'll be leaving the show for a little bit, though. I have a funny feeling about that. Especially if everyone's going to Earth-2. Then she'd get suspicious about where Barry is, unless he had told her.

[Foombamaroom]

I just saw this.
http://comicbook.com/2016/01/19/five-things-to-know-about-the-flash-midseason-premiere/

OH NO. DON'T YOU ****ING DO IT, FLASH WRITERS. THEY'RE GONNA KILL PATTY BUT THAT BITCH FELICITY GETS TO LIVE!?!?!

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Watch her get her neck snapped by Zoom as soon as he tries telling her. XD I think she'll be leaving the show for a little bit, though. I have a funny feeling about that. Especially if everyone's going to Earth-2. Then she'd get suspicious about where Barry is, unless he had told her.

If Patty dies, the wife and I revolt. Barry's gonna tell her tonight... if he doesn't, again, we revolt. :trazz:

[Foombamaroom]

If Patty dies, the wife and I revolt. Barry's gonna tell her tonight... if he doesn't, again, we revolt. :trazz:

If we have Patty die and Felicity live, I'm gonna give up on life entirely.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I just saw this.
http://comicbook.com/2016/01/19/five-things-to-know-about-the-flash-midseason-premiere/

OH NO. DON'T YOU ****ING DO IT, FLASH WRITERS. THEY'RE GONNA KILL PATTY BUT THAT BITCH FELICITY GETS TO LIVE!?!?!





What if it's Earth-2 Jay? And then Barry tries to recruit Earth-1 Jay?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Flash is beginning to have the same problems for me that did in Arrow Season 3 for me: namely, poor character choices. Just a lot of WTF.

1. Caitlin
In Season 1, she was a capable scientist always contributing to the team and wanted her fiance Ronnie back. This season, all of her characterization has flown out the window after the first couple of episodes. Now she's just one half of a shipping couple: Caitlin/Jay. NO character development, just fawning. Hell, she's only been a widow for 6 months. Falling so deeply in love again is completely unbelievable, and a little insulting. It's never occurred to her that maybe Ronnie ended up on Earth-2, just as Jay ended up on Earth-1?

2. Henry Allen
He gets released from prison, only to go... fishing? He comes back from fishing to give Barry a pep talk, and then goes... back to fishing? Completely unbelievable for me.

3. Jay Garrick
He goes off and mopes episodes at a time, never explaining where he went or what he's doing. He was mentoring Barry and showing a lot of character development, up until Harry Wells showed up. Apparently Flash can't have more than one scientist mentor at a time, but honestly, Jay's been useless since then. After Wells showed up, he has punched Wells in the face and pulled a bullet out of him. That's it.

4. Barry Allen
In the most annoying "secret identity" saga for me yet, Barry refuses to tell Patty. All so that we can have annoying relationship drama BS.

Conclusion:
More characters than the show can juggle, and far too many character choices that are pretty much just WTF. I'm starting to worry about my favorite show...

[Foombamaroom]

Flash is beginning to have the same problems for me that did in Arrow Season 3 for me: namely, poor character choices. Just a lot of WTF.

1. Caitlin
In Season 1, she was a capable scientist always contributing to the team and wanted her fiance Ronnie back. This season, all of her characterization has flown out the window after the first couple of episodes. Now she's just one half of a shipping couple: Caitlin/Jay. NO character development, just fawning. Hell, she's only been a widow for 6 months. Falling so deeply in love again is completely unbelievable, and a little insulting. It's never occurred to her that maybe Ronnie ended up on Earth-2, just as Jay ended up on Earth-1?

2. Henry Allen
He gets released from prison, only to go... fishing? He comes back from fishing to give Barry a pep talk, and then goes... back to fishing? Completely unbelievable for me.

3. Jay Garrick
He goes off and mopes episodes at a time, never explaining where he went or what he's doing. He was mentoring Barry and showing a lot of character development, up until Harry Wells showed up. Apparently Flash can't have more than one scientist mentor at a time, but honestly, Jay's been useless since then. After Wells showed up, he has punched Wells in the face and pulled a bullet out of him. That's it.

4. Barry Allen
In the most annoying "secret identity" saga for me yet, Barry refuses to tell Patty. All so that we can have annoying relationship drama BS.

Conclusion:
More characters than the show can juggle, and far too many character choices that are pretty much just WTF. I'm starting to worry about my favorite show...

1. The Caitlin thing isn't bothering me too much since it isn't such a HUGE focus. The difference between that and Olicity is that Olicity was the main thing of Season 3.

2. I agree with you there. It doesn't make sense for him just to leave and see the world. Like, what the hell, father of the year award goes to...

3. Jay's character has always been flat. All he does is stand there and say how impossible Zoom is to stop. If Harry's there, Jay's purpose without his speed is... Well, he doesn't have one. Make him a speedster again quickly.

4. Good god, Barry was such a dick last night. Patty's flipping her ****, rightfully so (unlike Felicity), and Barry just stands around smiling and is like, "Oh, someone's mad." Like, for the love of Christ, it takes three words: "I'm the Flash." and then you can explain it.

And, I'm gonna add something. Something that made last night's episode almost unwatchable for me.

5. Wally. F*cking. West.
Mary mother of Christ. Wally, in the comics, is a hero. He's a genuinely kind-hearted person. Usually I'd get the resentment towards the father, but not here. Joe DID NOT KNOW about Wally because his mother didn't tell Joe. That's the mom's fault, not Joe's. This version of Wally is just a dickhead. It reminds me of Johnny Storm from the Fantastic Four reboot.

Season 2 has been at a stand-still so far. They haven't focused on the main antagonist at all, it's been a LOT of setup for Legends of Tomorrow, and I genuinely have no idea where this show is trying to go (I say that in a bad way.). I've got a feeling that's because of Gabrielle Stanton, but she's not the showrunner anymore. Let Kriesberg do what he wants to do: that was displayed in Season 1.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

1. The Caitlin thing isn't bothering me too much since it isn't such a HUGE focus. The difference between that and Olicity is that Olicity was the main thing of Season 3.

2. I agree with you there. It doesn't make sense for him just to leave and see the world. Like, what the hell, father of the year award goes to...

3. Jay's character has always been flat. All he does is stand there and say how impossible Zoom is to stop. If Harry's there, Jay's purpose without his speed is... Well, he doesn't have one. Make him a speedster again quickly.

4. Good god, Barry was such a dick last night. Patty's flipping her ****, rightfully so (unlike Felicity), and Barry just stands around smiling and is like, "Oh, someone's mad." Like, for the love of Christ, it takes three words: "I'm the Flash." and then you can explain it.

And, I'm gonna add something. Something that made last night's episode almost unwatchable for me.

5. Wally. F*cking. West.
Mary mother of Christ. Wally, in the comics, is a hero. He's a genuinely kind-hearted person. Usually I'd get the resentment towards the father, but not here. Joe DID NOT KNOW about Wally because his mother didn't tell Joe. That's the mom's fault, not Joe's. This version of Wally is just a dickhead. It reminds me of Johnny Storm from the Fantastic Four reboot.

Season 2 has been at a stand-still so far. They haven't focused on the main antagonist at all, it's been a LOT of setup for Legends of Tomorrow, and I genuinely have no idea where this show is trying to go (I say that in a bad way.). I've got a feeling that's because of Gabrielle Stanton, but she's not the showrunner anymore. Let Kriesberg do what he wants to do: that was displayed in Season 1.

I agree with you on Wally, but he's only been in this one episode (showing up on the doorstep not included). I'll give them a few episodes and see if it makes sense.

But my initial reaction was right there with ya. YOU DON'T BADMOUTH JOE WEST!

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

http://whatculture.com/tv/the-flash-10-things-season-2-has-got-horribly-wrong-so-far.php

This guy gets it...

[Foombamaroom]

I would consider these nitpicks, though. I've enjoyed Season 2 so far, and I'm giving it slack due to setting up LoT (let's just hope LoT is worth it.). The key point in that list is Zoom, though. I think that's what is making this Season a little worse than the first for me; there's no compelling villain right now.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I would consider these nitpicks, though. I've enjoyed Season 2 so far, and I'm giving it slack due to setting up LoT (let's just hope LoT is worth it.). The key point in that list is Zoom, though. I think that's what is making this Season a little worse than the first for me; there's no compelling villain right now.

I know... I wouldn't be so quick to judge, but given Arrow had a horrible 3rd season where character choices suddenly made no sense whatsoever, I can't help but feel REAL jittery right now with Flash... :tconfuse:

[Foombamaroom]

I know... I wouldn't be so quick to judge, but given Arrow had a horrible 3rd season where character choices suddenly made no sense whatsoever, I can't help but feel REAL jittery right now with Flash... :tconfuse:

Ha.
Jittery.
Like Jitters.
I'll let myself out now.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Ha.
Jittery.
Like Jitters.
I'll let myself out now.

You have committed worse crimes. This one is not worthy of banishment.

But for those OTHER crimes, yeah, get outta here. :tlol:

[Krutch]

This season of Flash is kinda ho-hum to me so far and I'll agree on most points.

Regarding Barry not telling Patty that he's The Flash this week... I don't know. I'm kinda torn. Honestly, having a secret identity is one of the most defining traits of the superhero genre. And Arrow and Flash seem to have zero interest in telling that kind of story, to be honest. So while a part of me was frustrated that he didn't tell Patty, another part of me found it a bit refreshing. There's a big, big reason the secret identity/can't tell the ones you love trope exists. And it seems Oliver and Barry don't seem to care all that much. Which, to me, is a bit selfish of them. You can call it "trusting" but, honestly, it's really just them not wanting to make excuses, regardless of the harm it may put them in by knowing.

So I was kind of with Wells on this one. The risk sometimes isn't worth the reward. And with Zoom out there, someone whose bested you in everything you've thrown at them, the risk is just too high.

[Foombamaroom]

So I was kind of with Wells on this one. The risk sometimes isn't worth the reward. And with Zoom out there, someone whose bested you in everything you've thrown at them, the risk is just too high.

Oh, I was with Wells, too, but what pissed me off is that Barry kept leading into the conversation and then didn't do anything.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'm not with Wells on this. Patty's already a cop; already shown to work with Flash on multiple occasions; already going after metahumans.

She's already a target; might as well be honest with her and save the relationship.

[Krutch]

Ehhhh if that's your reasoning, i'd still say its selfish. Barry is perfectly capable of maintaining his relationship without needing to reveal himself to her. Sure, it'd be easier if he just came out with it, but, it's not required.

And being just another cop who works with The Flash is a whole other thing than being someone personally close to The Flash.

[Raph's Girl]

Last month it was announced that Trajectory would be appearing in the show. Now we know who's playing her (Allison Paige from Days of Our Lives) and when she'll be popping up (episode 16 so around March).

"Having arrived in town intent on creating maximum chaos, Trajectory’s antics are misinterpreted as having been perpetrated by the Flash himself. Barry thus must quickly uncover the mystery of who is the girl under the mask — as well as what is driving her mad desire for speed and destruction."

But which earth is she from?

http://comicbook.com/2016/01/26/trajectory-coming-to-the-flash/

[sdp]

Finished watching the Flash and things did get better and I warmed up to the show. The show definitely felt like Smallville with every supervillain being linked to the pilot it was a bit annoying. I didn't like the whole Wells not being wells thing but overall I really enjoyed the season story arc. Iris was absolutely terrible and very annoying I did like how the love triangle finished though but everything in between was just terrible. I really liked Joe though. The show could've definitely been better and it wasn't as amazing as some people said but it was good and can't wait to see what happens but I guess I'll have to almost a year for it to Netflix.

Now my biggest problems were the crossovers...jeeze they were all terrible and there were so many just to remind us they were the same universe. We only needed one crossover between Flash/Arrow but what we got was plenty of appearances that felt forced or just didn't fit. And I love crossovers I hope other seasons don't go overboard with it maybe it was only done since they wanted Flash to succeed but now they won't feel forced. Keep them separate with fanservice crossovers once a season and that's it. (double posted)

[TurtleTitan97]

Matt Letscher did a pretty good job on his take on Eobard Thawne. Nice to see his origin for becoming the Reverse-Flash was pretty similar to what appeared in "The Return of Barry Allen" storyline, which this episode seemed to have drawn on.

So Jay Garrick's Earth-1 Counterpart is Hunter Zolomon? I wonder what are the chances that he'll turn out evil.

[Raph's Girl]

Matt Letscher did a pretty good job on his take on Eobard Thawne. Nice to see his origin for becoming the Reverse-Flash was pretty similar to what appeared in "The Return of Barry Allen" storyline, which this episode seemed to have drawn on.

So Jay Garrick's Earth-1 Counterpart is Hunter Zolomon? I wonder what are the chances that he'll turn out evil.

This week on The Flash: Wibbly Wobbly Timey Wimey weee! I was waiting for somebody to say "shhh...spoilers.." :lol:

Kinda ironic that Earth 1 Jay is who Zoom is known to be....

Why didn't the facial recognition software find Earth 1 Jay?? Sure he's going by a different name but it should have still found him!! Was it the glasses?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

And in one episode, Iris is back to Full Flaming B!tch Mode. :trolleye:

I usually love the West family drama, because Joe is my absolute favorite TV dad ever, but man... this was all a little contrived.

Harry stealing Barry's speed was awesome though, and I can't wait for the next two weeks.

"Welcome to Earth-2"
"Escape From Earth-2"

[TurtleTitan97]

Not gonna lie, I geeked out upon seeing Tar Pit's true comic accurate form. It's a shame we didn't get a true scene of him fighting Flash like we did with Grodd. Oh well, maybe next time.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'm not familiar with Tar Pit; I thought he looked like Clayface covered in hot burning tar or lava... which was pretty dang cool!

But man, I've been waiting all year (2016) for the next two episodes... psyched to finally see them soon!

[Foombamaroom]

I'm not even kidding when I say that Season 2 without LoT set up is better. Hoping we get more Zoom in the future rather than villains of the week, though. It seems like everyone has kinda forgotten about him.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'm not even kidding when I say that Season 2 without LoT set up is better. Hoping we get more Zoom in the future rather than villains of the week, though. It seems like everyone has kinda forgotten about him.

Absolutely. Although honestly, the LoT setup hasn't been that terrible in Flash. It's wrecked unholy havoc in Arrow, though.

And I'm sure we'll see Zoom in the next two episodes... they're going into his turf, after all. :tcool:

[Autbot_Benz]

http://www.dccomics.com/blog/2016/02/03/breaking-news-the-flash-is-crossing-over-with-supergirl

Flash Supergirl Crossover is coming

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

http://www.dccomics.com/blog/2016/02/03/breaking-news-the-flash-is-crossing-over-with-supergirl

Flash Supergirl Crossover is coming

Well sh!t. I'm gonna have to watch an episode of Supergirl now. :tgrumble:

[TurtleTitan97]

Well sh!t. I'm gonna have to watch an episode of Supergirl now. :tgrumble:

Have fun. Don't worry, it starts to improve over time. :lol:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Have fun. Don't worry, it starts to improve over time. :lol:

I'm hoping the episode will blow me away, because I like the concept of Supergirl and I'm interested in Martian Manhunter...

But all that "The Man of Steel Wears Prada" just turns me off instantly. :tgrumble:

[Raph's Girl]

But all that "The Man of Steel Wears Prada" just turns me off instantly. :tgrumble:

Uh... she doesn't wear Prada... her evil aunt and Cat Grant totally would tho..

Supergirl has greatly improved totally and not just because of Martian Manhunter (altho he's helped a bit). Im also liking Cat more (still don't like the Lane's...ugh...)

Still waiting for J'onn to eat Oreo.

Anyways. Can't wait for the Glee reunion of the year (what? Grant Gustin and Melissa Benoist were both in Glee..)! :P

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Uh... she doesn't wear Prada... her evil aunt and Cat Grant totally would tho..

Supergirl has greatly improved totally and not just because of Martian Manhunter (altho he's helped a bit). Im also liking Cat more (still don't like the Lane's...ugh...)

Still waiting for J'onn to eat Oreo.

Anyways. Can't wait for the Glee reunion of the year (what? Grant Gustin and Melissa Benoist were both in Glee..)! :P

If the Flash crossover is good, I'll give the show a chance and watch it. If the Flash crossover isn't enough to sell me, though... :tdead:

[Krutch]

Well, color me shocked. Honestly. As much as I wanted to see it happen, I didn't get my hopes up cuz I thought chances were pretty much zero. This is great news :D

[Foombamaroom]

I'm not so much excited about this crossover itself, I'm excited about the fact that CBS is open to crossovers. With Supergirl now a part of the Arrowverse, that means we have Arrow (Batman.), Flash, Constantine, Supergirl, and Superman...

Anyone else see a Justice League TV special coming on soon?

[Slade]

I'm not so much excited about this crossover itself, I'm excited about the fact that CBS is open to crossovers. With Supergirl now a part of the Arrowverse, that means we have Arrow (Batman.), Flash, Constantine, Supergirl, and Superman...

Anyone else see a Justice League TV special coming on soon?

Where is he at? Did they actually show him on Supergirl or something?

[Foombamaroom]

Where is he at? Did they actually show him on Supergirl or something?

Partially, but not a full body shot. But Supergirl established within the first episode that Kal-El is out there.

[Slade]

Ahh okay. I thought I missed something important on there.

[Raph's Girl]

Where is he at? Did they actually show him on Supergirl or something?

He's been shown in grainy body shots a couple times, plus Jimmy is the go between for them and Kara chats with him alot in instant messenger on her work computer. Plus, J'onn of course knows him.

We'll be seeing a young Kal El next week tho thanks to the black mercy plant.

[TurtleTitan97]

King Shark returns in episode 15, and he's going after the West family:

“ARROW’S” DIGGLE (DAVID RAMSEY) AND LILA (AUDREY MARIE ANDERSON) CROSS OVER TO “THE FLASH” TO TAKE ON KING SHARK – When King Shark escapes from an A.R.G.U.S. holding tank, Lila (guest star Audrey Marie Anderson) and Diggle (David Ramsey) travel to Central City to warn The Flash (Grant Gustin). King Shark shows up at the West house and attacks Joe (Jesse L. Martin), Iris (Candice Patton), Wally (Keiynan Lonsdale) and Barry. Hanelle Culpepper directed the episode written by Benjamin Raab & Deric A. Hughes (#215). Original airdate 2/23/16.

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/dc_tv/arrow/vixen-old-man-oliver-king-shark-feature-in-descriptions-for-arrow-a130719

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

King Shark returns in episode 15, and he's going after the West family:



http://www.comicbookmovie.com/dc_tv/arrow/vixen-old-man-oliver-king-shark-feature-in-descriptions-for-arrow-a130719

Aw yeah! That episode is gonna be 31 flavors of awesome!

[Foombamaroom]

Wait...

OH MY GOD.
THE BEST CGI CHARACTER IN THE SHOW WILL FIGHT WITH THE FLASH AND TWO OF THE ONLY GOOD CHARACTERS FROM ARROW.

MY BODY IS READY.

[TurtleTitan97]

Wait...

OH MY GOD.
THE BEST CGI CHARACTER IN THE SHOW WILL FIGHT WITH THE FLASH AND TWO OF THE ONLY GOOD CHARACTERS FROM ARROW.

MY BODY IS READY.

I thought Grodd was the best CGI character?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I thought Grodd was the best CGI character?

I think I'm with Foomby on this one... Grodd is great, but they haven't used him to his full comic-book-faithful potential.

King Shark, on the other hand, is just a giant freaking shark thug. And they portrayed him beautifully.

[TurtleTitan97]

I think I'm with Foomby on this one... Grodd is great, but they haven't used him to his full comic-book-faithful potential.

King Shark, on the other hand, is just a giant freaking shark thug. And they portrayed him beautifully.

I suppose that's fair enough. At least until we see him lead the inevitable gorilla invasion. :lol:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I suppose that's fair enough. At least until we see him lead the inevitable gorilla invasion. :lol:

Yeah, can't freaking wait.

Love me some Grodd, but I'm ready to see him full on King Grodd tyrannizing a bunch of other gorillas into doing his evil bidding. Which hopefully is next season, 'cause Gorilla City! :tgrin:

Besides, Shark's first appearance needed resolution. Harry blasts Jaws, and we cold open the next episode with NO ONE talking about what they did with him. Is he dead? In prison? In the pipeline? In ARGUS?

Finally some answers.

[Foombamaroom]

When I said 'Best CGI character', I meant it both character-wise and CGI-wise. I've never been a fan of Grodd in this show (Which is why the idea of him being the main antagonist of Season 3 makes me cringe.), and King Shark really impressed me just with his one appearance.

Now, the context I mostly meant was that while Grodd's CGI IS very impressive, King Shark's probably got the best CGI I've ever seen in a TV show.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jGPfPryGqI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCuyeeckYI8

Tonight is gonna be awesome! :tcool:

[Splinter the boss]

It is going to be great. Second video was too funny, I had to watch it 5 times especially to see Cisco and Barry's faces.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

It is going to be great. Second video was too funny, I had to watch it 5 times especially to see Cisco and Barry's faces.

They're like too hyperactive kids on a field trip... and poor Harry is the over-exasperated parent. :tlol:

[Splinter the boss]

They're like too hyperactive kids on a field trip... and poor Harry is the over-exasperated parent. :tlol:

Very true, my friend.

[Raph's Girl]

Sisco: "What are we gonna see?"
Jay: "everything"

And boy howdy did they! Cameos galor!!

An archer (Connor? )
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y72/Dierna/Screen%20Shots%20and%20Promo%20images/Cameos/Archer_zpsknfvsu2z.jpg

a Flash (John Wesley Shipp I think),
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y72/Dierna/Screen%20Shots%20and%20Promo%20images/Cameos/Flash_zpslk3thttq.jpg

Kara!! :o
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y72/Dierna/Screen%20Shots%20and%20Promo%20images/Cameos/Super%20Cameo_zpsbj10ymaw.jpg

Gorilla Grodd
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y72/Dierna/Screen%20Shots%20and%20Promo%20images/Cameos/Grodd_zpsfwfjbzko.jpg

Jonah Hex
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y72/Dierna/Screen%20Shots%20and%20Promo%20images/Cameos/Jonah_zpsr9m78mrg.jpg

LOSH RING! LOSH RING! LOSH RING! :o
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y72/Dierna/Screen%20Shots%20and%20Promo%20images/Cameos/LOSH_zpsfeijbqhb.jpg

Also, Deadshot is a bad shot. *lol*

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Sisco: "What are we gonna see?"
Jay: "everything"

And boy howdy did they! Cameos galor!!

An archer (Connor? )
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y72/Dierna/Screen%20Shots%20and%20Promo%20images/Cameos/Archer_zpsknfvsu2z.jpg

a Flash (John Wesley Shipp I think),
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y72/Dierna/Screen%20Shots%20and%20Promo%20images/Cameos/Flash_zpslk3thttq.jpg

Kara!! :o
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y72/Dierna/Screen%20Shots%20and%20Promo%20images/Cameos/Super%20Cameo_zpsbj10ymaw.jpg

Gorilla Grodd
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y72/Dierna/Screen%20Shots%20and%20Promo%20images/Cameos/Grodd_zpsfwfjbzko.jpg

Jonah Hex
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y72/Dierna/Screen%20Shots%20and%20Promo%20images/Cameos/Jonah_zpsr9m78mrg.jpg

LOSH RING! LOSH RING! LOSH RING! :o
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y72/Dierna/Screen%20Shots%20and%20Promo%20images/Cameos/LOSH_zpsfeijbqhb.jpg

Also, Deadshot is a bad shot. *lol*



What is LOSH Ring?

[Raph's Girl]

What is LOSH Ring?

Legion of Super Heroes

[Leo656]

That would be a Legion Of Super-Heroes flight ring. The Legion are a pretty big deal, thus, that should be a pretty big deal, whatever it's in reference to.

I can't tell, is it in some kind of display case or stand? If so, could that be the ring Booster Gold steals from the museum before making his way back in time? Intriguing.

And yeah that's definitely Shipp/Barry as Flash. Nice Easter egg. :lol:

[Raph's Girl]

I can't tell, is it in some kind of display case or stand?

Yeah. The ring is on a pedistol.

[Leo656]

Oh boy. That pretty much confirms it, then. Nice.

Me Gusta Boostah. :tgrin:

:lol: Sorry, that was f*cking terrible. :lol:

[Raph's Girl]

Friend of mine mentioned he spotted something I didn't first time around.

Nice people to have on speed dial there Barry! :o

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y72/Dierna/Screen%20Shots%20and%20Promo%20images/Cameos/speed%20dial_zpsky1lhymi.jpg

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I actually hated this episode; they wrote Barry completely out of character, being completely caught up in in the problems of Earth-2 Iris and Joe.

Totally brought down the episode for me. Barry always sacrifices; he would totally not have gotten sidetracked from rescuing Jessie except for bad writing.

However, I did love Earth-2 Killer Frost, Deathstorm, and...

Earth-2 (evil) Cisco. I did NOT see that coming! :teek:

[TurtleTitan97]

This was hands down the best episode of the season by far! Where do I even start!!!

-We got to see a glimpse of the Multiverse, featuring 90s Flash, Supergirl, Jonah Hex, future Green Arrow and the Legion!
-Jay (briefly) doing speedster stuff! ACTUAL SPEEDSTER STUFF!!!
-Singing Joe West!
-Two great fight scenes with Killer Frost, Deathstorm, and Reverb!
-ZOOM!! ZOOM!!! ZOOM!!!!!

I'm just so dang happy that this show exist. Bless these showrunners hearts! I'm calling it right now, Zoom is Earth-2 Wally West, you read it here first! I mean why else would there be no mention of him?

[Slade]

I'm not in love with the episode. I missed all the cameos too.

Best part for me was Zoom showing up and killing Deathstorm and Reverb.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I gave it some thought, and this episode only needed a little editing to keep Barry in character and still get all the Earth-2 doppelganger drama. Barry goes to the CCPD and finds out that nobody knows where Zoom is, but that it is suspected that other metahumans are working for him. Barry decides to stake out Central City with the unknowing Detective West and track some metahumans in hopes of following them (or forcing them to lead him) to Zoom.

You do that, the episode proceeds exactly the same, except Barry isn't out-of-character (read, self-absorbed dick).

So who's the guy in the mask? Possibly Earth-1 Ronnie? That's my groundless hunch.

[Autbot_Benz]

See what happens with a show that doesn't have Guggenhiem running it

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Y'know what would be a fun Season 3 or Season 4?

Earth-3... where all the good guys are evil. :tshifty:

http://i.imgur.com/EEzaym5.png

[Raph's Girl]

So who's the guy in the mask? Possibly Earth-1 Ronnie? That's my groundless hunch.

Uh... only if Earth 1 Ronnie got a really dark tan. :P

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Uh... only if Earth 1 Ronnie got a really dark tan. :P

So... Wally, maybe? I honestly only noticed the mask. :trazz:

[Autbot_Benz]

So... Wally, maybe? I honestly only noticed the mask. :trazz:

I thought it was Diggle for some reason cause the mask looked like his :P

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I thought it was Diggle for some reason cause the mask looked like his :P

I know, right? Maybe it'll actually be Earth-2 Diggle. :trazz:

[TurtleTitan97]

Here's a better look at the prisoner:

http://media.comicbook.com/2016/02/fla214a-0171b-169075.jpg

In other news, the crossover with Supergirl has started filming. Here's a picture Grant took:

https://i.imgur.com/BLt3SUB.png

[Foombamaroom]

This next episode needs to reveal Zoom's identity. He's losing me as a villain. He's just a piece of meat that's meant to kick Barry's ass every now and then.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

This next episode needs to reveal Zoom's identity. He's losing me as a villain. He's just a piece of meat that's meant to kick Barry's ass every now and then.

I agree. I honestly lost all interest in Zoom when he didn't return in "Potential Energy" like the trailers were leading us to believe.

He's just... he doesn't do a damn thing and he's barely featuring in the show at all! There's no interesting hook to his character! Last season it was this huge overarching mystery of "why was Barry's mom killed, who is the man in the yellow suit, and what the hell is going on with Harrison Wells!?"

THIS season, it's like the showrunners only have ONE idea for Zoom: he's shockingly the Earth-2 evil equivalent of someone we know and love! So... why should we care? Does he have ANY motivation at all other than "scary evil?"

Seriously, if it's Earth-2 Henry Allen, big fvcking deal. Or Earth-2 Wally West. I don't fvcking care. They have no motivation, and only exist for some shocking reveal that isn't going to be a surprise because WE ALL KNOW it's a doppelganger. It's like Flash's first season was the equivalent to Arrow's kick-ass second season, and now we're already getting to the drivel of Season 3, only a season early. :tgrumble:

The ONLY way this could possibly surprise me is if it's Earth-1 Eddie out for revenge. Otherwise, this season has been pointless and random as hell.

EDIT: Sorry, but my dissatisfaction with Zoom has been slowly building. The individual episodes have been great or good, but the overarching villain who's not even around just seems pointless.

[Foombamaroom]

I agree. I honestly lost all interest in Zoom when he didn't return in "Potential Energy" like the trailers were leading us to believe.

He's just... he doesn't do a damn thing and he's barely featuring in the show at all! There's no interesting hook to his character! Last season it was this huge overarching mystery of "why was Barry's mom killed, who is the man in the yellow suit, and what the hell is going on with Harrison Wells!?"

THIS season, it's like the showrunners only have ONE idea for Zoom: he's shockingly the Earth-2 evil equivalent of someone we know and love! So... why should we care? Does he have ANY motivation at all other than "scary evil?"

Seriously, if it's Earth-2 Henry Allen, big fvcking deal. Or Earth-2 Wally West. I don't fvcking care. They have no motivation, and only exist for some shocking reveal that isn't going to be a surprise because WE ALL KNOW it's a doppelganger. It's like Flash's first season was the equivalent to Arrow's kick-ass second season, and now we're already getting to the drivel of Season 3, only a season early. :tgrumble:

The ONLY way this could possibly surprise me is if it's Earth-1 Eddie out for revenge. Otherwise, this season has been pointless and random as hell.

EDIT: Sorry, but my dissatisfaction with Zoom has been slowly building. The individual episodes have been great or good, but the overarching villain who's not even around just seems pointless.

You hit the nail right on the head with a freaking sledgehammer. Zoom's motivation in and of itself is pretty stupid as well. He wants Barry's speed? That's legit the same plan Wells/Thawne had. He wanted Barry to get faster so that way he could achieve his goals. But he had a lot of backstory behind it.

Zoom, on the other hand, just passes by every so often. He's only fought Barry once, and Barry got his ass handed to him... But that was the same with the Reverse-Flash, right? Reverse-Flash was scary. He beat Barry's ass TWICE in 1x09, and Barry needed the help of Ronnie AND Oliver to stop him in 1x22. He never beat him on his own, as he also was losing the fight in 1x23. But what's the biggest difference between Reverse-Flash/Barry and Zoom/Barry? There's no rivalry there. Season 1 had this grand rivalry between the protagonist and the antagonist, and **** really hit the fan when Barry found out who Wells was. Zoom, on the other hand... No one cares about him, really. Like, sure, they wanna get Jesse back, but their top priority is getting her, not stopping Zoom.

Like, I get that they're trying to go the scary route with Zoom: they say this terrible **** he's done, they show us beating the crap out of Barry, and they show the villains scared of him. You know why none of that works? Our protagonist, let alone any of the main cast, shows no fear when Zoom is mentioned. If you wanna make a scary villain, that's fine. Take Deathstroke: whenever he was on screen, Ollie looked like he was about to cry. There was rivalry.

Zoom's failing as a villain because there's no point to him. He's got no rivalry with Barry unless he's Eddie, and the main cast has no sense of fear towards him. At least Ra's served a purpose, albeit a stupid one. But no one 'didn't care' about Ra's: everyone on Team Arrow took him as a huge threat. Zoom has the potential to be the biggest threat of all, but he needs to be an actual character with an actual motivation. Stealing the speed of the Flash is a one-episode filler plotline, not a whole fvcking season.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

You hit the nail right on the head with a freaking sledgehammer. Zoom's motivation in and of itself is pretty stupid as well. He wants Barry's speed? That's legit the same plan Wells/Thawne had. He wanted Barry to get faster so that way he could achieve his goals. But he had a lot of backstory behind it.

Zoom, on the other hand, just passes by every so often. He's only fought Barry once, and Barry got his ass handed to him... But that was the same with the Reverse-Flash, right? Reverse-Flash was scary. He beat Barry's ass TWICE in 1x09, and Barry needed the help of Ronnie AND Oliver to stop him in 1x22. He never beat him on his own, as he also was losing the fight in 1x23. But what's the biggest difference between Reverse-Flash/Barry and Zoom/Barry? There's no rivalry there. Season 1 had this grand rivalry between the protagonist and the antagonist, and **** really hit the fan when Barry found out who Wells was. Zoom, on the other hand... No one cares about him, really. Like, sure, they wanna get Jesse back, but their top priority is getting her, not stopping Zoom.

Like, I get that they're trying to go the scary route with Zoom: they say this terrible **** he's done, they show us beating the crap out of Barry, and they show the villains scared of him. You know why none of that works? Our protagonist, let alone any of the main cast, shows no fear when Zoom is mentioned. If you wanna make a scary villain, that's fine. Take Deathstroke: whenever he was on screen, Ollie looked like he was about to cry. There was rivalry.

Zoom's failing as a villain because there's no point to him. He's got no rivalry with Barry unless he's Eddie, and the main cast has no sense of fear towards him. At least Ra's served a purpose, albeit a stupid one. But no one 'didn't care' about Ra's: everyone on Team Arrow took him as a huge threat. Zoom has the potential to be the biggest threat of all, but he needs to be an actual character with an actual motivation. Stealing the speed of the Flash is a one-episode filler plotline, not a whole fvcking season.

And with R'as, the problem wasn't with his character, it was how everyone was reacting to him: wanting to go to war with him LONG before he EVER did anything truly evil... it's not until the final 2 episodes of Season 3 that he reveals he's going to wipe out Starling City. Before that, he simply runs a league of ninja that have NEVER caused problems for Starling City. The only reason Oliver went at R'as is because Malcolm manipulated him into a pointless war. R'as just wanted to avenge his daughter's beloved's murder.

But Zoom? Scary. That's it. Just a monster, and Flash is NEVER supposed to be about monsters; it's about characters.

[Autbot_Benz]

My9uSscBO8E

[TurtleTitan97]

This next episode needs to reveal Zoom's identity.

It looks like you might get your wish. A new promo on Facebook showed Zoom apparently removing his mask in front of Barry, among other upcoming things from the season. https://www.facebook.com/CWTheFlash/videos/993778617381108/

Edit: Autobot_Benz beat me to it.

[Splinter the boss]

It's going to be fun, I can't wait. I wonder who Zoom could be.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

So it looks like Zoom's identity is going to cause Barry anguish... because it's a damn doppelganger.

It's like science fiction doesn't exist in Flash; I don't get the hangup of "oh noes! They look like Caitlin and Ronnie, how could THEY BE EVIL!?"

Oh well. Hopefully it does better.

[Foombamaroom]

See, the only person I see fit to be Zoom is Earth-1 Eddie.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

See, the only person I see fit to be Zoom is Earth-1 Eddie.

Exactly. Otherwise, there's really no point to Zoom. I can only hope this whole Earth-2 doppelganger playing field is a feint to make us all think Zoom is from Earth-2...

[Leo656]

The only person *I* see fit to be Zoom is Hunter Zolomon, since, y'know, that's how it's supposed to be. :trazz:

I still have to believe that's still the actual long-term plan, since Reverse-Flash did indeed turn out to be Thawne, as in the comics, they just took the long way in getting there. They did a good job with it. No matter who they initially reveal Zoom to be, in my gut I have to think it's to some degree a "fake-out", and it will eventually be Zolomon.

I mean... even his comics origin kind of winks at the fact that the guy was in the books for a long time, with a name that is literally "Zoom" with a line in-between the Os, and people were still shocked at the fact he eventually turned evil. :trazz: And if he's NOT ultimately Zoom, then... he really doesn't have a reason to be on the show, does he?

This show's been really comics-faithful so far, so, yeah... whoever's under the mask THIS time they reveal it, I'm almost sure it will be Zolomon eventually.

[Bry]

My first instinct was that Zoom was in fact Earth-2 Barry. E2 Joe did think he was a selfish dick, and we've learned to trust Joe. Also, E2 Barry being knocked out would explain why he didn't get involved in the plot until the very end of the episode. And the idea of Zoom-as-Barry faux-fawning over Harrison Wells while he has his daughter held captive is pretty terrific villain material. But... that last preview makes it very unlikely. (And Zoom looks a fair bit bigger than Grant Gustin, so also there's that.)

The Zolomon reveal seems to set up a somewhat comic-accurate version of the character, which yeah, has some precedent with how they handled the Reverse-Flash. But... I think that might be kind of underwhelming. I like Jay, but I don't think most viewers are invested in him enough for that to have the right emotional impact. For now I'm assuming Zolomon is a red herring for the comic fans.

A friend of mine's theory is that Zoom will be E2 Henry Allen. And that idea's growing on me. Shipping E1 Henry off the minute he was exonerated felt like a weird, forced creative decision. But having Barry spend the first season trying to prove his father's innocence, and follow that by having to face an alternate, evil version of his father in season two? That has some emotional meat to it.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

The only person *I* see fit to be Zoom is Hunter Zolomon, since, y'know, that's how it's supposed to be. :trazz:

I still have to believe that's still the actual long-term plan, since Reverse-Flash did indeed turn out to be Thawne, as in the comics, they just took the long way in getting there. They did a good job with it. No matter who they initially reveal Zoom to be, in my gut I have to think it's to some degree a "fake-out", and it will eventually be Zolomon.

I mean... even his comics origin kind of winks at the fact that the guy was in the books for a long time, with a name that is literally "Zoom" with a line in-between the Os, and people were still shocked at the fact he eventually turned evil. :trazz: And if he's NOT ultimately Zoom, then... he really doesn't have a reason to be on the show, does he?

This show's been really comics-faithful so far, so, yeah... whoever's under the mask THIS time they reveal it, I'm almost sure it will be Zolomon eventually.

I'd love for them to actually do the right thing and have it be Hunter Zolomon, I just don't see how they can fit all the necessary setup into the remaining... 10? ... episodes.

My theory is that this is a "proto" Zoom, and in the next season, we'll see Hunter join Team Flash because Barry recruits him... Grodd snaps Hunter in two, wheelchair, begs for time travel, badda bing badda boom: "Professor Zoom."