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[Leo656]

:blanksta: I Spoiler'ed it because I thought it was appropriate...

Okay then. :lol:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

:blanksta: I Spoiler'ed it because I thought it was appropriate...

Okay then. :lol:

Eh, we're grownups and we're discussing an episode that aired three days ago plus theories and comic sources.

If anyone's gonna complain about spoilers, they can piss off. :tlol:

[Leo656]

I agree, Spoilers are everyone's friends, I just didn't want to hear anyone bitch. :lol:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I agree, Spoilers are everyone's friends, I just didn't want to hear anyone bitch. :lol:

They'll bitch at me, not you. And I'll give them a deadpan stare and possibly a "go screw yourself." This ain't "Kylo Ren kills his daddy Han", this is theorizing. :twink:

The point you make of Reverse Flash actually being Eobard Thawne does give me hope that they'll stay faithful to Hunter Zolomon, but honestly, to do him right would take a lot of focus which I frankly don't believe they have time for.

I predict Zoom as either pointless doppelganger like Earth-2 Henry Allen (ugh) or Earth-1 Eddie (I'll be okay with it), and then Season 3 with Gorilla Grodd and Hunter Zolomon as the main villains.

[Leo656]

I think it works because I expect Hunter to suffer some unbearable tragedy and ask Barry to go back in time and "fix" it, like in the comics, and for Barry to refuse because of everything he's now learned from attempting such measures himself from Season One and beyond, so it actually flows really well, if they set it up right. Then you end up with Zoom's motivation being the self-appointed "Better Hero" who is willing to do anything to fix what he sees as injustice, where Barry and others set limits on how far they're willing to go, for moral reasons and otherwise.

I mean, they shouldn't rush it, you're right, but it's still a pretty poetic way to do things. I really hope they do. But I do have a strong feeling they'll fake everyone out first and maybe, as you said, have Zolomon become "the Real Zoom" in Season 3.

But I mean you can't have a guy with such a convenient alphabet soup-name like that and not make him Zoom. You just can't. :lol: Just shift a few things around, move the L to the end and harden up the pronunciation on the last syllable, it goes from "Zolomon" to "Zoom, mon," to finally "Zoom, man!" :lol: As in, "He's ZOOM, man!" :lol: Like I said, even the comics kind of pointed out how convenient that was. Putting him in the show as a red herring would be a pointless waste, in my opinion.

[Bry]

Yeah... The idea that this season's events helps create the "real" E1 Zoom in Zolomon makes a lot of sense, I think. They get to throw a twist in with this Zoom, as Earth-2 has been extensively shown to be its own thing anyway, and they also get to do the comics-accurate thing with the E1 Zoom at the very end. Stopping that Zoom creates this Zoom. That's a solid theory, guys.

As for E2 Zoom... if it's gonna be a "twist" version before the "real" version, they might as well go with the heaviest possible emotional impact. I'm not saying Henry is the ideal choice, necessarily, but it could pack a punch. And, as a what-if...

Suppose E2 HenryZoom kills E2 Nora to further torture Barry? Which is... pretty gross and horrible, and not something I "want" to see. But I could definitely see that idea being pitched around in a writers' room somewhere.

It's like the Zolomon tease. They have to do something more with that, right?

[Leo656]

I'm not even caught up on this show, nowhere near it. I'm just glad that it's generally good and interesting consistently enough for us to be having these kinds of conversations at all. :)

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Yeah... The idea that this season's events helps create the "real" E1 Zoom in Zolomon makes a lot of sense, I think. They get to throw a twist in with this Zoom, as Earth-2 has been extensively shown to be its own thing anyway, and they also get to do the comics-accurate thing with the E1 Zoom at the very end. Stopping that Zoom creates this Zoom. That's a solid theory, guys.

As for E2 Zoom... if it's gonna be a "twist" version before the "real" version, they might as well go with the heaviest possible emotional impact. I'm not saying Henry is the ideal choice, necessarily, but it could pack a punch. And, as a what-if...

Suppose E2 HenryZoom kills E2 Nora to further torture Barry? Which is... pretty gross and horrible, and not something I "want" to see. But I could definitely see that idea being pitched around in a writers' room somewhere.

It's like the Zolomon tease. They have to do something more with that, right?

That would be cool, I guess, but for me, there's no emotional punch to seeing a doppelganger. I know too much sci-fi--I'm over it.

[Foombamaroom]

The only doppelganger that works is Henry, the others seem kinda stupid.

What if Zoom takes off his mask and it's someone we don't know, and Barry's like, "Wait, who are you?" and he's just like, "You didn't expect to actually know me, did you?"

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

The only doppelganger that works is Henry, the others seem kinda stupid.

What if Zoom takes off his mask and it's someone we don't know, and Barry's like, "Wait, who are you?" and he's just like, "You didn't expect to actually know me, did you?"

I would break every bone in my hand from applauding so hard. Seriously, if the whole "potential doppelganger from Earth-2" has been a massive feint, that is some of the cleverest television writing I've ever seen.

[Slade]

I can't believe you guys may have spoiled who Zoom might be! Unf*cking believable!!!!

Besides, we all know it's really going to be


http://fotos.fotoflexer.com/f682b551e4282e20f0e786c3fb812efe.jpg

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I can't believe you guys may have spoiled who Zoom might be! Unf*cking believable!!!!

Besides, we all know it's really going to be


http://fotos.fotoflexer.com/f682b551e4282e20f0e786c3fb812efe.jpg

I thought it was going to be Earth-2 Hot Wheels? :teek:

[Slade]

I thought it was going to be Earth-2 Hot Wheels? :teek:

Ha, what up with you and giving me Hot Wheels answers? :lol:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Ha, what up with you and giving me Hot Wheels answers? :lol:

Eh, Hot Wheels is my least-favorite character on Arrow (only because Ray went to LoT) so she gets most of my verbal abuse.

I'm sorry you have to witness it. :trazz:

[Slade]

Oh that Hot Wheels...

http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac134/kaleltheking/4D6C0936-E7FE-46E9-874D-1998C76C49F0.jpg (http://s893.photobucket.com/user/kaleltheking/media/4D6C0936-E7FE-46E9-874D-1998C76C49F0.jpg.html)

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Oh that Hot Wheels...

http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac134/kaleltheking/4D6C0936-E7FE-46E9-874D-1998C76C49F0.jpg (http://s893.photobucket.com/user/kaleltheking/media/4D6C0936-E7FE-46E9-874D-1998C76C49F0.jpg.html)

Damn I miss that guy. :tcry:

[Foombamaroom]

NO.
We will NOT talk about Arrow in this forum.
This is a place where we can rant about minor things and really appreciate the greatness of this show, rather than wallow in shame as we watch episodes of Arrow.

[Slade]

NO.
We will NOT talk about Arrow in this forum.
This is a place where we can rant about minor things and really appreciate the greatness of this show, rather than wallow in shame as we watch episodes of Arrow.

Guess you need a mirakuru too.

All these characters are in the same universe and have crossed over into each others shows. Hell, Zoom could be freakin' Slade Wilson for all you know.

[Splinter the boss]

Why does everybody think it's Eddie from earth 1. He shot himself and died a hero.

[Slade]

Think because Thawne is still alive. Show explained how, I didn't really follow though.

[Splinter the boss]

I'll take it. I was also lost with the whole “ Thawne is still alive " thing, guess that's why.

[NinjaPug]

What? Eddie Thawne isn't still alive on Earth-1.

[TurtleTitan97]

What? Eddie Thawne isn't still alive on a Earth-1.

I believe Splinter is referring to Eobard Thawne, not Eddie.

Anyway, I don't buy that Zoom is Eddie from E-1. For one thing, he appeared on the scene around the same time Jay did after he got his powers. Eobard Thawne is probably only still remembered due to Speed Force shenanigans. At least according to Wikipedia:

Eobard's origin story is revealed, and it is explained that he still exists, despite Eddie's sacrifice, due to time remnants of the Speed Force forever protecting him and linking to the timeline.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'm fine with Eddie Thawne forever being a sacrificed hero who went out like a noble badass.

I do expect the show to bring him back at some point, though, ala Cobalt Blue or something.

And I totally want to see Barry go up against Slade Wilson. Zoom is Slade Wilson, I want it and I want it NOW. :tlol:

[Slade]

That would be f*cking awesome!!

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

That would be f*cking awesome!!

Slade Wilson, a Speedster, with his swords. :teek:

He could decapitate and disembowel a crowd in SECONDS...

[Revan]

Who is the man in the iron mask?!

Jay Garrick?

[TurtleTitan97]

So glad we got to see more of Zoom in this episode. Can't wait for King Shark next week.

[mrmaczaps]

Who is the man in the iron mask?!

Jay Garrick?

I think it's Ferro Lad from the LOSH... But I haven't seen any confirmation.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Hell of a cliffhanger!

Man, Jay Garrick is so untrustworthy... always disappears when Zoom is causing havoc, he showed up before Zoom ever did... and now the man in the metal mask is urgently trying to communicate some warning about Jay!?

So finally, while we still have nothing except "Zoom need speed", at least we're finally getting a definite roadmap for the rest of the season:


Find a way to reopen a single breach (or alternate method of dimensional traveling)
Return to Earth-2 and rescue Jay Garrick and the Man in the Metal Mask
The Man in the Metal Mask's identity will conclusively point towards Zoom's identity

[Slade]

What if the man in the mask is Jay....

And the Jay that's been running around is actually Zolomon. Maybe some kind of accident split Zolomon and Zoom and caused Zolomon to think he's Jay and now Zoom needs to get him back so he can have even more speed.

I'm just spit balling.

Jay Garrick is older and the guy in the mask looked older. Isn't he a military man as well? Wasn't that what they where using last night? Some kind of military alphabet? Can't recall.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

What if the man in the mask is Jay....

And the Jay that's been running around is actually Zolomon. Maybe some kind of accident split Zolomon and Zoom and caused Zolomon to think he's Jay and now Zoom needs to get him back so he can have even more speed.

I'm just spit balling.

Jay Garrick is older and the guy in the mask looked older. Isn't he a military man as well? Wasn't that what they where using last night? Some kind of military alphabet? Can't recall.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tap_code

5x5 Grid "Tap Code."

Yeah, maybe Zoom is a split-off of Jay's speed (an actual manifestation of his addiction), or... hell, I'm really tired of theorizing. :tlol: Whatever Zoom is, it's gonna be bizarre.

But yeah, a lot of the prevalent theories are that the guy we know as Jay Garrick really isn't Jay...

[Slade]

Oh tap code. I couldn't remember. My inmates don't do that. Ha.

[Revan]

The whole tap code thing was unnecessary IMO because they could see the man in the iron mask the whole time. It would have been easier for him to just write "air" letters on the glass. Jessie would have been able to recognize a big "J" motion...

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

The whole tap code thing was unnecessary IMO because they could see the man in the iron mask the whole time. It would have been easier for him to just write "air" letters on the glass. Jessie would have been able to recognize a big "J" motion...

Yeah, no kidding. :tlol:

For as much as I loved this episode, it had a couple of really REALLY stupid moments. :trolleye:

#1. Wells NOT shooting Zoom when he had the chance (when Frost saved everybody)
#2. The prisoner not just signing (ASL or writing out the air letters) his message.

[Splinter the boss]

I can't wait for the next episode to see what it is with Jay. It will be pretty hard for Caitlin if Jay turns out to be related to Zoom or something, and ironic, considering that every guy she dates gets to die. I can't wait to see who the guy in the mask is.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I can't wait for the next episode to see what it is with Jay. It will be pretty hard for Caitlin if Jay turns out to be related to Zoom or something, and ironic, considering that every guy she dates gets to die. I can't wait to see who the guy in the mask is.

If Earth-1 Ronnie is supposed to be well and truly dead, they did a terrible job of making it look like he is. Not to downplay Caitlin's heartbreak, of course, but off-screen deaths are rarely permanent.

Maybe Season 3... I dunno.

[TurtleTitan97]

The crossover with Supergirl has apparently finished filming according to Grant. Some set pics:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cb5DJU_WEAAuabJ.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cb5DImNW4AAR_MA.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cb5FMl2WAAESMOC.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cb5FM7WWwAEdyZo.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cb5FNCFWwAA6k6R.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cb5GowpXIAArLxV.jpg

Edit, More pics here: http://www.comicbookmovie.com/supergirl/new-supergirl-the-flash-crossover-set-pics-feature-a-surprise-villain-a131349

[Slade]

I hope something worthwhile happens in tonight's ep. It looks like pure filler to me.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I hope something worthwhile happens in tonight's ep. It looks like pure filler to me.

Well, pure filler but FILLED WITH KING SHARK!!!

Besides, we'll get to see Jessie adjusting to Earth-1, Wally and Barry interacting, and hopefully Team Flash beginning to plan their return to Earth-2 to rescue The Man in the Metal Mask and "Jay Garrick."

I'm psyched!

[Foombamaroom]

I can't wait for the next episode to see what it is with Jay. It will be pretty hard for Caitlin if Jay turns out to be related to Zoom or something, and ironic, considering that every guy she dates gets to die. I can't wait to see who the guy in the mask is.

Okay, I'm sorry, but is your profile picture Unalaq from Legend of Korra?

[Slade]

Well, pure filler but FILLED WITH KING SHARK!!!

Besides, we'll get to see Jessie adjusting to Earth-1, Wally and Barry interacting, and hopefully Team Flash beginning to plan their return to Earth-2 to rescue The Man in the Metal Mask and "Jay Garrick."

I'm psyched!

Jessie and "Jay" are about the only things I'll be interested in. I don't like this Wally and honestly I really hope he doesn't end up speedster..

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Jessie and "Jay" are about the only things I'll be interested in. I don't like this Wally and honestly I really hope he doesn't end up speedster..

Yeah, I wasn't a Flash fan before this show, but I can definitely see why people who were preexisting Flash fans aren't happy with him.

So far, his only personality trait seems to be "sullen." And I don't see him having a mentor/student relationship with Barry... their age is simply too close.

I mean, I like this Wally. But I don't know anything else, so my opinion on this Wally is pretty much worthless. :tlol:

[Slade]

He's supposed to be Iris' nephew.


That's been my main hang up ever since he was announced to be her brother.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

He's supposed to be Iris' nephew.


That's been my main hang up ever since he was announced to be her brother.

Who were Wally's parents? Isn't the change in his personality a much bigger deal than his lineage?

[Slade]

Rudolph and Mary West.


I don't like this version at all so I don't even pay attention to his personality and all that.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Rudolph and Mary West.


I don't like this version at all so I don't even pay attention to his personality and all that.

What don't you like about him? Educate me. :tgrin:

[TurtleTitan97]

KGEWeeRtjVI

[Raph's Girl]

What don't you like about him? Educate me. :tgrin:

I don't like this version of Wally either. I want the one I grew to love. The fun loving one voiced by Michael Rosenbaum not this annoying whiny brat with daddy issues. :ohwell:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

KGEWeeRtjVI

That looks awesome. :tgrin:

I don't like this version of Wally either. I want the one I grew to love. The fun loving one voiced by Michael Rosenbaum not this annoying whiny brat with daddy issues. :ohwell:

His daddy issues are THE WORST, are they not? :tlol:

[TurtleTitan97]

To be fair, Joe has been kinda been a terrible father.

But then AGAIN, Rudolph West was also a terrible father, so I guess Wally having imperfect fathers is a constant throughout the multiverse. :lol:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

To be fair, Joe has been kinda been a terrible father.

But then AGAIN, Rudolph West was also a terrible father, so I guess Wally having imperfect fathers is a constant throughout the multiverse. :lol:

Joe never got a chance to BE a father to Wally. Totally not his fault; all Iris' mom's fault.

I already forgot her name... but that b!tch, you know who I'm talking about. :tlol:

[TurtleTitan97]

Joe never got a chance to BE a father to Wally. Totally not his fault; all Iris' mom's fault.


Yeah, I get what you mean. I'm just referring to how he acted in the previous season, what with not allowing Barry to talk to Iris about being the Flash among other things.

Let's be honest, Joe may be one of the best father figures in the Arrowverse, but he's not exactly Dad of the Year material, Y'know?

He's still better than Rudolph West though. That guy's the worst. :lol:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Yeah, I get what you mean. I'm just referring to how he acted in the previous season, what with not allowing Barry to talk to Iris about being the Flash among other things.

Let's be honest, Joe may be one of the best father figures in the Arrowverse, but he's not exactly Dad of the Year material, Y'know?

He's still better than Rudolph West though. That guy's the worst. :lol:

Okay, yeah, the whole "You can't tell Iris" was total BS. But that's really the fault of the writers sticking to a tired trope.

You wanna talk terrible fathers? Henry Allen, Ex-Con and Fly-Fisher Extraordinaire. :twink:

Oh, and when he told Eddie "No you can't marry Iris." And when he kept lying to Patty... hmmm, I think Joe is a worse partner than father! :tlol:

[Splinter the boss]

Okay, I'm sorry, but is your profile picture Unalaq from Legend of Korra?

Yes, it is Unalaq from TLK. Why do you ask?

[Slade]

I don't like this version of Wally either. I want the one I grew to love. The fun loving one voiced by Michael Rosenbaum not this annoying whiny brat with daddy issues. :ohwell:

Yeah this pretty much sums it up.

Really I'd have rather them kept the speedsters to a minimum. I know Wally isn't one atm, but it's the middle of season 2 and there's Barry, Reverse Flash, Zoom, Jessie Quick(in name atm), Jay Garrick(however many of those there actually is)...am i forgetting any? I'm half expecting them to bring in Bart. :roll:

I'm actually okay with Zoom and RF. I feel like Wally could have been saved for later seasons, or maybe have him actually be the Flash in Legends.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Yeah this pretty much sums it up.

Really I'd have rather them kept the speedsters to a minimum. I know Wally isn't one atm, but it's the middle of season 2 and there's Barry, Reverse Flash, Zoom, Jessie Quick(in name atm), Jay Garrick(however many of those there actually is)...am i forgetting any? I'm half expecting them to bring in Bart. :roll:

I'm actually okay with Zoom and RF. I feel like Wally could have been saved for later seasons, or maybe have him actually be the Flash in Legends.

Trajectory is happening next week.

Yeah, we've got at least seven speedsters (or pending speedsters that everybody knows is gonna be a speedster) by the end of this season:


Reverse-Flash
Zoom
Barry Allen
Jesse Quick
Wally West
Jay Garrick
Eliza Harmon

[mrmaczaps]

Trajectory is happening next week.

Yeah, we've got at least seven speedsters (or pending speedsters that everybody knows is gonna be a speedster) by the end of this season:


Reverse-Flash
Zoom
Barry Allen
Jesse Quick
Wally West
Jay Garrick
Eliza Harmon



Who is that last one? (Feeling confused)

[TurtleTitan97]

Who is that last one? (Feeling confused)

That would be Trajectory's real name.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

That would be Trajectory's real name.

Yeah... spoilers for next week!

[Slade]

Yeah... spoilers for next week!

You mean next month...


Oh and as for tonight's episode...dun dun dun..the plot thickens.

[mrmaczaps]

That would be Trajectory's real name.

Guess I don't know her either... except I'm guessing she's the one in the spot for next week's episode. I don't tend to watch or read spoilers for tv shows.

Thanks for the reply though.

[mrmaczaps]

You mean next month...


Oh and as for tonight's episode...dun dun dun..the plot thickens.

Next Tuesday, next week, also next month...

[mrmaczaps]

Zoom'so big reveal... without spoiling the identity, do you think he has gone alternate universe to alternate universe, kidnapping himself and stealing his own speed when he comes across himself as a speedster?

[Slade]

Next Tuesday, next week, also next month...

No it's not next week. It's not coming back on till march 22nd.

[Splinter the boss]

Zoom'so big reveal... without spoiling the identity, do you think he has gone alternate universe to alternate universe, kidnapping himself and stealing his own speed when he comes across himself as a speedster?

It would be nice if he has, just to show how obsessed he is with speed, like his counterpart. If it's not that way, then I'm confused. Is it Zalomon from earth 1, the real Jay from earth 2 or is the Jay we know an imposter? All for next week.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

DAMN IT. What the hell is with these stupid February-March month-long breaks? :flaming:

As for the identity... well, at least he finally has something to do, right? :tlol:

Seriously, though, this feels way too similar to Season 1. Starting to wonder if the showrunners from Season 1 got shafted (or snatched) by Legends of Tomorrow and whoever was left just made some quick changes to the Season 1 outline.

Girlfriend who doesn't know he's the Flash
Joe being a d!ck to his partner
Speed-obsessed villain
Mentor with a secret
Barry must go faster
Barry needs more pep talks

Sigh. I suppose I'm judging it too soon, but I have distinctly lost some of my faith in The Flash's writers and this episode didn't do much to restore it.

[TurtleTitan97]

And on another note, this was another great episode! King Shark was awesome. :D

And according to Andrew Kresiberg, Zoom is indeed Hunter Zolomon:

"Zoom’s identity has been revealed: He is HunterZolomon, a.k.a JayGarrick. How all of that plays out and what’s actually happening, we’ll leave for after the break, but we wanted to go out on this run of episodes with a big reveal, just the same way we did at the end of episode 9 in season 1, where we revealed that Harrison Wells was the man in the yellow suit. Zoom’s identity is finally revealed. For us, it could only happen because of what happened last season. For Barry and the others, as much as they were stung by Wells/Thawne’s betrayal, he had been their mentor and friend and they all felt that vacuum when he was gone. Jay had been watching them and knew that so he was able to masterfully step into the role each of them needed. He became a friend and mentor to Barry. A love interest to the heartbroken Caitlin. He skillfully played them all."

"We'll be learning the truth about Jay Garrick as the season progresses. Some of what he told Barry and the team was true and some of it was misleading. At the earliest stages of planning the season there was some discussion that Zoom was Barry's Earth-2 doppelganger but we very quickly moved away and fell in love with the idea that it was Jay."


http://www.comicbookmovie.com/the_flash/it-turns-out-that-many-of-your-theories-about-zooms-identity-on-the-a131386

[Foombamaroom]

DAMN IT. What the hell is with these stupid February-March month-long breaks? :flaming:

As for the identity... well, at least he finally has something to do, right? :tlol:

Seriously, though, this feels way too similar to Season 1. Starting to wonder if the showrunners from Season 1 got shafted (or snatched) by Legends of Tomorrow and whoever was left just made some quick changes to the Season 1 outline.

Girlfriend who doesn't know he's the Flash
Joe being a d!ck to his partner
Speed-obsessed villain
Mentor with a secret
Barry must go faster
Barry needs more pep talks

Sigh. I suppose I'm judging it too soon, but I have distinctly lost some of my faith in The Flash's writers and this episode didn't do much to restore it.

I think that was Gabrielle Stanton's fault. But Andrew Kreisberg is now the sole showrunner, so I think he can pull it through. Plus, repetitive plots seem to be the base of all the CW Flarrow shows. Take Arrow for example: all of the villains' endgames have been to wipe-out Star(ling) City. I've got faith.

[Slade]

DAMN IT. What the hell is with these stupid February-March month-long breaks? :flaming:

As for the identity... well, at least he finally has something to do, right? :tlol:

Seriously, though, this feels way too similar to Season 1. Starting to wonder if the showrunners from Season 1 got shafted (or snatched) by Legends of Tomorrow and whoever was left just made some quick changes to the Season 1 outline.

Girlfriend who doesn't know he's the Flash
Joe being a d!ck to his partner
Speed-obsessed villain
Mentor with a secret
Barry must go faster
Barry needs more pep talks

Sigh. I suppose I'm judging it too soon, but I have distinctly lost some of my faith in The Flash's writers and this episode didn't do much to restore it.

I don't know where all exactly the show runners get their comic lore from, but it could be because before the New 52, Reverse Flash and Zoom damn near seemed the same. :lol:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Well, while I'm still extremely skeptical of this whole season's overarching repetitive villain, I have been enjoying most of the episodes on an individual basis.

Curious to see what they're doing with Zolomon/Garrick/Zoom...

[Krutch]

Thinking ahead, any ideas who we'll get as Season long villains down the road?

I suppose if Legends ever wraps up they could have "The Rogues" working together as some form of super team. Captain Cold, Heatwave, The Trickster, Captain Boomerang, Pied Piper... introduce Mirror Master and you have a nicely rounded group.

Then there's Grodd, who is awesome but I don't see them using him as a full season villain. I don't know... there's just gotta be someone at CW who is going to say no to that for a number of reasons.

So who else? Black Flash? That'd be a little redundant at this point, and I think if they ever use him, saving him for the last season makes the most sense.

Guess I can't rule out Killer Frost from happening, either...

[Slade]

Good question, especially since the two main bads are in season 1 and season 2(even though Zoom is a Wally villain).

Is there anything about how many seasons they had planned from the beginning?

[Krutch]

Not that I've heard. I know Amell has said Arrow had a 6 year story planned out, leaving room for the possibility of a 7th season, so I'd guess Flash has a similar game plan.

Most CW leads sign a 6 season contract on new shows, if that's any indication.

[Slade]

I thought it was 5 for Arrow.


Flash has to do something with flashpoint I think.

[Krutch]

I think in season 2 Amell said they have a 5 year plan but a couple months ago on Amell's Facebook page we said it was 6, maybe 7.

Maybe Amell doesn't know what the hells going on lol

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Thinking ahead, any ideas who we'll get as Season long villains down the road?

I suppose if Legends ever wraps up they could have "The Rogues" working together as some form of super team. Captain Cold, Heatwave, The Trickster, Captain Boomerang, Pied Piper... introduce Mirror Master and you have a nicely rounded group.

Then there's Grodd, who is awesome but I don't see them using him as a full season villain. I don't know... there's just gotta be someone at CW who is going to say no to that for a number of reasons.

So who else? Black Flash? That'd be a little redundant at this point, and I think if they ever use him, saving him for the last season makes the most sense.

Guess I can't rule out Killer Frost from happening, either...

I've actually thought about this quite a lot. :tlol:

I think all of the following could serve as arc- or season-long antagonists:


Gorilla Grodd (as long as they could get the CGI budget)
A version of Blue Cobalt (aka Eddie Thawne returns)
Evil Earth-3 Barry Allen from the Crime Syndicate (Johnny Quick? Was that the name?)
Poison Ivy and/or The Riddler (if Arrow can steal a Batman villain, so can The Flash)
The Disciples of Zoom, from the recent New 52 storyline (basically a team of speedsters gathered from different timelines who have been lied to by Zoom or Reverse Flash)
Grimdark Future Barry Allen (also from the recent New 52 storyline... basically Future Barry goes back in time and replaces Current Barry)
The Rogues as a fully formed team (Captain Cold, Heatwave, Golden Glider, Mirror Master, Trickster, Weather Wizard)
And, of course, more Eobard Thawne... culminating in Flashpoint

[Raph's Girl]

DAMN IT. What the hell is with these stupid February-March month-long breaks?

The reason for the break is because they're filming episodes. The Supergirl/Flash crossover is expected to air March 28th and as of the other day they were still filming! So the break is so they can do catch ups.

[TurtleTitan97]

They should totally do a season revolving around an Alien Invasion. I mean we already got metahumans/animals, magic, time travel, and parallel earths, might as well introduce extraterrestrials to Earth-1.

And since it's unlikely we'll ever see Hal Jordan or any of the Green Lanterns, I'd nominate Adam Strange to make an appearance.

[mrmaczaps]

No it's not next week. It's not coming back on till march 22nd.

Wtfudge! I hate these month long breaks!

[TheCanadiandrome]

Wtfudge! I hate these month long breaks!

U and everyone else amigo

[TurtleTitan97]

:D:D:D:D

Titled “Worlds Finest,” the hour sees titular heroine Kara (Melissa Benoist) gain a new ally when the lightning-fast superhero The Flash, aka Barry Allen (Grant Gustin) suddenly appears from an alternate universe. Barry helps Kara battle Silver Banshee, aka Siobhan Smythe (Italia Ricci), and Livewire (Brit Morgan) in exchange for her help in finding a way to return him home".

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlt1/v/t1.0-9/12803044_1009743235784646_4174015895128158072_n.jp g?oh=3bc750ab96b0b8cbacbad32196607b4a&oe=57900450

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

"Trajectory"
THERE IS A NEW SPEEDSTER IN CENTRAL CITY; WILL THE FLASH BE ABLE TO KEEP UP? – Deciding to blow off some steam, Barry (Grant Gustin) and the team head out for a night on the town only to encounter an unexpected speedster who is up to no good. Iris (Candice Patton) is challenged by an assignment from her new boss (guest star Tone Bell), and is surprised when friction turns to flirtation.

http://comicbook.com/2016/03/04/the-flash-trajectory-synopsis-released-online

http://flashtvnews.com/the-flash-trajectory-official-photos/24045

"Flash Back"
A MOMENT IN TIME GETS BARRY ONE STEP CLOSER TO ZOOM; ANDY MIENTUS RETURNS AS HARTLEY RATHAWAY – After the shocking revelation that Zoom is Jay Garrick (Teddy Sears), Barry (Grant Gustin) is more determined than ever to get back to Earth-2 to stop Zoom forever. Desperate to find a way to increase his speed, Barry decides to travel back in time and masquerade as his earlier self in order to get his arch-nemesis, Dr. Harrison Wells/Eobard Thawne (Tom Cavanagh), to teach him how to run faster. However, things don’t go as planned and Barry is stunned to face familiar foe Hartley Rathaway (guest star Andy Mientus), as well as old friend Eddie Thawne (guest star Rick Cosnett). Iris (Candice Patton) makes peace with her past in order to embrace her future.

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/dc_tv/arrow/dc-tv-bug-eyed-bandit-eddie-thawne-and-ras-al-ghul-feature-in-arrow-a131913

I'm really REALLY curious to see this episode. It sounds like a really weird idea on Barry's part, but hey, if it brings Hartley back on screen, yes! And EDDIE!!! :tsad:

[Slade]

My predictions are Trajectory will suck and Flash Back will be good.

[ZariusTwo]

Renewed for season three

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/cw-renews-11-series-including-874569

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Renewed for season three

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/cw-renews-11-series-including-874569

FLASH: Yay! :tcool:
ARROW: Eh. :trolleye:
LoT: Really? :teek:

Flash Season 3: Give us Grodd. Give us Grodd. GIVE US GRODD.

Legends of Tomorrow Season 2... that's interesting! So apparently the budget wasn't a showkiller after all? I'm calling it now: Vixen and Constantine will absolutely be part of the show. But keep the Hawks far, far away from it.

[Autbot_Benz]

FLASH: Yay! :tcool:
ARROW: Eh. :trolleye:
LoT: Really? :teek:

Flash Season 3: Give us Grodd. Give us Grodd. GIVE US GRODD.

Legends of Tomorrow Season 2... that's interesting! So apparently the budget wasn't a showkiller after all? I'm calling it now: Vixen and Constantine will absolutely be part of the show. But keep the Hawks far, far away from it.

I hope Constantine is in Legends season 2 I heard he would be if they got a second season. They really need to change the show from Arrow to Felicity. Calling it Arrow is false advertising.

[Raph's Girl]

Flash Season 3: Give us Grodd. Give us Grodd. GIVE US GRODD.

They already said weeks ago that Grodd would be the big bad in season 3.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

They already said weeks ago that Grodd would be the big bad in season 3.

I know they SAID it, but their continued limited use of fully-CGI characters (King Shark, Gorilla Grodd, Tarpit, etc) still worries me.

I'd love to see more of General Eiling, though. I really thought he'd have returned already, enlisting Flash to help him track down Grodd or something...

[TurtleTitan97]

I don't think its been 100% confirmed Grodd will be the main villain, just that it could be.

Either way, I'll take anyone over another evil speedster out for Barry's speed.

[Autbot_Benz]

Flash is back this week with the female speedster

[TurtleTitan97]

New episode was pretty sweet!!!

-Cisco bustin' a move in the club
-Team Flash learns the truth about Zoom
-Forshadowing to Barry's "death" in Crisis on Infinite Earths
-Barry being ticked off

And next week, he's dealing with....Ghosts?!?! :o

Man, just when I thought this show couldn't get any cooler!!!:D

CHfPj_gk0_E

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I hated "Trajectory."

Eliza Harmon / Trajectory was poorly utilized; schizophrenic chaotic speedster? Hated it.

Wells family drama? Hated it.

Iris and her boss? Hated it.

I did love the club stuff with Cisco and Caitlin... and also the ending where Barry and everyone put the pieces together regarding Jay = Zoom. But the episode as a whole? 1 star.

Next week looks stupid, too. Ghost wraith things? WTF?

Dammit, just because last episode had Barry jumping King Shark doesn't mean the show has to actually jump a damn shark. :trolleye:

[TurtleTitan97]

Dude, I could understand how you could feel underwhelmed a bit by this episode, but c'mon.

BARRY'S GONNA BUST SOME GHOSTS!!!

I mean, it's no Black Flash, but it's still some pretty cool comic booky goodness right there.

[Autbot_Benz]

It could be worse you could be watching CW's Felicity co staring Green Arrow.

[TurtleTitan97]

It could be worse you could be watching CW's Felicity co staring Green Arrow.

I'm honestly thinking I'll just skip the remaining episodes that are left in this season. That last episode was the final straw, not even the return of Cupid is enough to make me wanna sit through another episode.

[Slade]

I hated "Trajectory."

Eliza Harmon / Trajectory was poorly utilized; schizophrenic chaotic speedster? Hated it.

Wells family drama? Hated it.

Iris and her boss? Hated it.

I did love the club stuff with Cisco and Caitlin... and also the ending where Barry and everyone put the pieces together regarding Jay = Zoom. But the episode as a whole? 1 star.

Next week looks stupid, too. Ghost wraith things? WTF?

Dammit, just because last episode had Barry jumping King Shark doesn't mean the show has to actually jump a damn shark. :trolleye:


I'm 1 for 2 right now.

I had a feeling this episode would suck.

Only thing that stuck with me was the ending and yet, we still don't have any more answers.

[Splinter the boss]

-Team Flash learns the truth about Zoom

It might be Jay from another dimension, afterall we did see him kill their Jay. They just assume it is their Jay because he looks like him.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Dude, I could understand how you could feel underwhelmed a bit by this episode, but c'mon.

BARRY'S GONNA BUST SOME GHOSTS!!!

I mean, it's no Black Flash, but it's still some pretty cool comic booky goodness right there.

It's too weird for me. It doesn't match what we have previously been shown to exist in this world. I'm assuming it's like the Reapers in "Father's Day" (Doctor Who Season 1, Christopher Eccleston) and that they look like whoever is harming the timeline... I'll give it the benefit of the doubt, because it's Flash, but I'm EXTREMELY skeptical going in.

I'm honestly thinking I'll just skip the remaining episodes that are left in this season. That last episode was the final straw, not even the return of Cupid is enough to make me wanna sit through another episode.

Yeah, I'm planning to binge watch the rest of Arrow Season 4. Just get the damn story over with in one go, some night when my wife is out with her friends and I have writer's block. :tlol:

I'm 1 for 2 right now.

I had a feeling this episode would suck.

Only thing that stuck with me was the ending and yet, we still don't have any more answers.

Sounds like we felt the same way. But the "Guys... her lightning is turning blue." THAT bit was pretty cool. Makes me curious how Zoom survived and Eliza didn't.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Found the extended trailer for "Flash Back", and I'll freely admit, it has assuaged my fears.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KNDRCmonT8

It is exactly like "Father's Day", and so I am okay with it. And Earth-1 "Harrison Wells" is freaking scary! Daddy Wells is great, but Deadly Wells is amazing. :tgrin:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Sorry, but one last thing needs to be said:

Anyone notice the similarity between Arrow and Flash?

A CW DC Comics television show in its second season whose primary antagonist is a former ally driven mad by performance enhancing drugs.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Slade Wilson (Deathstroke) and Jay Garrick (Zoom)!

[mrmaczaps]

Sorry, but one last thing needs to be said:

Anyone notice the similarity between Arrow and Flash?

A CW DC Comics television show in its second season whose primary antagonist is a former ally driven mad by performance enhancing drugs.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Slade Wilson (Deathstroke) and Jay Garrick (Zoom)!

I would like to hope that the Zoom Jay is not the same as the Earth 2 Jay... we saw glimpses of other earths, so maybe, just maybe it will really be another Earths Jay....

But yeah, its basically even the same as season 1 all over again...

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I would like to hope that the Zoom Jay is not the same as the Earth 2 Jay... we saw glimpses of other earths, so maybe, just maybe it will really be another Earths Jay....

But yeah, its basically even the same as season 1 all over again...

At least we FINALLY got a reason why Zoom needs to steal Barry's speed: he's dying from Velocity 9.

I am now okay with two speedsters trying to make Barry go faster so they can steal his speed. It's repetitive, but at least now we know WHY.

Season 3, Grodd needs Barry to go faster. :tlol:

[Splinter the boss]

News: The flash will travel back in time to season 1 seeking Eobard Thawne's help to end Zoom.

[TurtleTitan97]

Excellent episode tonight. Can't wait for the next episode to get details on Hunter Zolomon origin:

PF6gtJPny1I

[Autbot_Benz]

Another Flash Hiatus until April 19th really? Flash just came back from a break.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

That was a damn good episode. :tcool:

Eobard Thawne by Tom Cavanagh continues to be the most terrifying and compelling performance on The Flash; the Reaper--sorry, Wraith--was well executed; Hartley was great fun and NOW he's a good guy...

Man, that's one of the best episodes this season.

Zoom, however... Zoom has long since been the least interesting part of this season for me. Hunter Zolomon, speculating he was executed via electric chair right when the particle accelerator blew... sigh. We'll see.

Is a comic-accurate Hunter Zolomon too much to ask for?

[mrmaczaps]

Is a comic-accurate Hunter Zolomon too much to ask for?

Yes. Since most of the other characters are no where near "comic book accurate" why expect Hunter to be? Hunter was on the police force and a foe to Wally and since Wally is not yet The Flash and Barry is still living... This show, like most has decided to shovel all elements into a bowl and then take them out as they see fit, how they see fit... Even so far as the first episode had an older Linda Park and then whoops, they have Barry making out with a younger Linda Park... It's a decent adaptation but it will never be comic accurate.

[TurtleTitan97]

Yes. Since most of the other characters are no where near "comic book accurate" why expect Hunter to be? Hunter was on the police force and a foe to Wally and since Wally is not yet The Flash and Barry is still living... This show, like most has decided to shovel all elements into a bowl and then take them out as they see fit, how they see fit... Even so far as the first episode had an older Linda Park and then whoops, they have Barry making out with a younger Linda Park... It's a decent adaptation but it will never be comic accurate.

^ This.

While I do like Hunter Zolomon's comic book counterpart, I dig this series take on him.

[Slade]

My damn channel was down, my Hulu is acting up. I'm getting pissed off...

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Yes. Since most of the other characters are no where near "comic book accurate" why expect Hunter to be? Hunter was on the police force and a foe to Wally and since Wally is not yet The Flash and Barry is still living... This show, like most has decided to shovel all elements into a bowl and then take them out as they see fit, how they see fit... Even so far as the first episode had an older Linda Park and then whoops, they have Barry making out with a younger Linda Park... It's a decent adaptation but it will never be comic accurate.

Eobard Thawne has been exceedingly accurate.

I would hope Zoom would be, too. Former ally who is crippled and grows to hate his former allies when they won't use time travel to help him? That's pretty cool. That's all I want from Zoom.

This whole "speed demon" thing is--well, was--cool but I don't know why they didn't make it a new character or new take on Black Flash.

[Slade]

2 for 2.


Figured this one would be great. Man was I right. Has to be one oft he best episodes of the show. I'm definently more a fan of Thawne/Wells than I am just Wells. Barry was good even though he completely screwed up right off the bat.

10/10 for me.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

2 for 2.


Figured this one would be great. Man was I right. Has to be one oft he best episodes of the show. I'm definently more a fan of Thawne/Wells than I am just Wells. Barry was good even though he completely screwed up right off the bat.

10/10 for me.

Earth-2 Wells is great when he's not so obsessed with his daughter Jesse. When he's playing off the others, full of withering dismissive sarcasm... man, I love that.

Very curious to know how the CW will keep his character around for Season 3, which is probably a given.

[Slade]

Yeah I agree and I am still a fan of Earth 2 Wells, just think Tom Cavanagh plays Thawne a lot better.

[Foombamaroom]

Thawne Wells will be better, but Tom is just a fantastic actor. He's easily the highlight of this show for me.

But damn, I can't wait for next week. Flash vs. Zoom? Hell-freaking-yes.

[Krutch]

Yeah, that last episode was tight.

Hartley was actually supposed to be a series regular (working at Star Labs with Cisco and Caitlin) and was originally written into the pilot. For some reason they cut him and the pilot remained otherwise unchanged. I always wondered if they'd find a way to bring him back into the fold. Nice touch.

I'll admit, when Barry asked Eddie to do a quick video for Iris... that hit all the right heart strings. It's just a thoughtful, damn decent thing to do for his friend. Loved it.

Not looking forward to another hiatus but whatcanyado?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

The Barry/Eddie thing was the main highlight for me, and I LOVED Thawne and Pied Piper.

Glad to have Hartley a less black-and-white character now... I mean, he's a former villain turned good guy in the comics, right?

[mrmaczaps]

Eobard Thawne has been exceedingly accurate.

Minus the entire ploy of him being disguised as someone Barry thinks is his mentor... So no, he isn't anything like his comic book counter-part... The only time I recall him being in disguise in the comics is after Barry is dead, because he shows up AS Barry to fight Wally.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Minus the entire ploy of him being disguised as someone Barry thinks is his mentor... So no, he isn't anything like his comic book counter-part... The only time I recall him being in disguise in the comics is after Barry is dead, because he shows up AS Barry to fight Wally.

Really? Time travel, killing Flash's mom, originally wanted to be a hero. They're allowed to do new things, but those new things they've done with him haven't drastically changed who he is.

Contrast with Zoom as former serial killer... THAT is drastic changing.

[mrmaczaps]

Really? Time travel, killing Flash's mom, originally wanted to be a hero. They're allowed to do new things, but those new things they've done with him haven't drastically changed who he is.

Contrast with Zoom as former serial killer... THAT is drastic changing.

Time travel, yes.
Killing Barry's Mom was Flash Rebirth and crap. Horrible thing for the writers to recton. Let's take Barry and make him more like Bruce. Kill his mom and dad, oh no wait. He dad can be framed for killing him mom. So d@mn stupid.

As far as Zoom, I think there's going to be some sort of double involved... Otherwise they really screw up Jay... And that would suck. Anyways. It will be back in a couple weeks and then just a few episodes til the end of this season.

[TLP]

I loved how creepy Barry looked with the Time Wraith was rotting his body.

http://orig09.deviantart.net/d5fa/f/2016/093/b/c/hellflash_by_thelemsterpju-d9xlghd.png

[Splinter the boss]

As far as Zoom, I think there's going to be some sort of double involved... Otherwise they really screw up Jay... And that would suck. Anyways. It will be back in a couple weeks and then just a few episodes til the end of this season.


I'm still expecting the doppelganger mix into all of it, it would be better. If not, then Caitlin is a cursed woman.

[Autbot_Benz]

friendly reminder Flash is back tonight. We get the backstory on Zoom

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

If they throw in one more bloody hiatus, I will rage-quit the show.

Clip from tonight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9myuTV_PlQ

So Harry and Barry reopen the breaches? Probably not the best idea.

Tonight will be the info dump on who Zoom is, but still not answer the question of who is the man in the metal mask... they've said that won't be answered until the finale.

[Autbot_Benz]

If they throw in one more bloody hiatus, I will rage-quit the show.

Clip from tonight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9myuTV_PlQ

So Harry and Barry reopen the breaches? Probably not the best idea.

Tonight will be the info dump on who Zoom is, but still not answer the question of who is the man in the metal mask... they've said that won't be answered until the finale.

This show's Hiatuses are just as bad as Nick TMNT

[Slade]

This was a great ep, it just confused the hell out of me..

[Splinter the boss]

Zoom is now the fastest man alive. Seriously, I have no idea how they're gonna stop him. I guess Cisco could be of use, but the way Reverb was killed by zoom on earth 2 says otherwise. We'll just have to see.

[TurtleTitan97]

Man oh man, now that was a real epic episode!!!

[mrmaczaps]

For tonight's episode, I'm wondering how zoom could open his own breech... one minute he is on earth 1 with Wally and next, he's in his hideout on E2... same with the end of the episode... it's not explained, at all.

I have a new theory about the man in the iron mask... it's Ronnie Raymond. He got sucked into the vortex and zoom shackled him... it's a bit of a stretch and not likely the same actor if it turns out to be him, at least until the finale... a way to have him but not.

[Slade]

Couple other things.

How does this time remnant stuff work?

Is there a real Jay? or Since Reverse Flash knew who the helmet belonged to at the end of season 1, did he know it was Zoom or did he think it was Jay if there actually is a Jay.

Earth 2 Wells knows who Zolomon is. It kind of seemed like he also knew Zolomon is Zoom, or was he just guessing at the story?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I don't understand how everybody here loved last night's episode; I thought it was crap.

Why on earths would Barry give up his speed? Does nobody remember that his whole motivation is that he won't leave an entire earth prey to an evil speedster? Who exactly does he think will protect Earth-1 if he loses his speed and why does NOBODY voice that concern?

Also, Barry's faster than Zoom, right? So as soon as Zoom releases Wally, Barry just... keeps his promise to surrender?

Bullsh!t. CW shows suck. Thank God for Netflix and Marvel.

[NinjaPug]

Glad I wasn't the only one that didn't like last nights episode. The way they executed the ending was very poorly written and made no sense. Maybe we'll see there was more to their plan in the next episode but I doubt it.

[oldmanwinters]

Also, Barry's faster than Zoom, right? So as soon as Zoom releases Wally, Barry just... keeps his promise to surrender?


Ugh. So much this.

There's a big difference between heroes being people of their word and promises that don't deserve to be made or honored.

The only logical concern that came to my mind was that Barry was worried Zoom would kill another member of the Star Labs team in an open conflict. But, I mean... it's not like playing along until Zoom gets a monopoly on the Speed Force is any safer.

BTW, in my memories of 1990s Flash comics, I don't remember "Speed Force" being anything akin to a biological residue that could be extracted or infused into a person as easily as a blood transfusion. I thought it was way more mystic... kinda like how the Star Wars Force used to be before midiclorians came around. How appropriate that Cisco dropped that reference!

Can anybody clarify that for me?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Ugh. So much this.

There's a big difference between heroes being people of their word and promises that don't deserve to be made or honored.

The only logical concern that came to my mind was that Barry was worried Zoom would kill another member of the Star Labs team in an open conflict. But, I mean... it's not like playing along until Zoom gets a monopoly on the Speed Force is any safer.

BTW, in my memories of 1990s Flash comics, I don't remember "Speed Force" being anything akin to a biological residue that could be extracted or infused into a person as easily as a blood transfusion. I thought it was way more mystic... kinda like how the Star Wars Force used to be before midiclorians came around. How appropriate that Cisco dropped that reference!

Can anybody clarify that for me?

That is correct; every Flash comic I've read portrays the Speed Force as more more akin to the Star Wars Force. Mystical and even CHOOSING people, not just being this channel of hyperspeed energy that apparently can be bottled. "Lightning in a Bottle" indeed.

I did love the Cisco stuff in this episode... probably the highlight for me.

[ZariusTwo]

Mark Waid hated the episode (https://twitter.com/MarkWaid/status/722591799190110208)

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Mark Waid hated the episode (https://twitter.com/MarkWaid/status/722591799190110208)

I guess when you're that connected, you'd feel the same.

If I thought for even a second that the show won't be revealing a TRUE Jay Garrick that Zoom replaced, I'd probably be a little heated over the issue, too.

But I think most of us agree the man in the mask is undoubtedly the real Jay Garrick. Who, hopefully, is not played by Teddy Sears. (That's not a knock against the actor, BTW, just my hope that they don't give us some BS identical twins crap.)

[Splinter the boss]

For tonight's episode, I'm wondering how zoom could open his own breech... one minute he is on earth 1 with Wally and next, he's in his hideout on E2... same with the end of the episode... it's not explained, at all.

I thought about that too, and I think it's the breach Cisco opened.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I thought about that too, and I think it's the breach Cisco opened.

Yeah, that particular issue seems pretty obvious. We never see Cisco close the breach, because Barry immediately whisks him out of Zoom's line of attack. They never have time to close it after.

[Autbot_Benz]

also those times Barry ran super fast and look like he disappeared I think that is when he went to Supergirl's world. As he had that chest thing on when he was on Supergirl.

[mrmaczaps]

Yeah, that particular issue seems pretty obvious. We never see Cisco close the breach, because Barry immediately whisks him out of Zoom's line of attack. They never have time to close it after.

A friend said the same... But when Zoom shows up at STAR, he basically just appears with Wally... It didn't look like he had run into the room... I guess it just needed to be a bit more clear...

[mrmaczaps]

also those times Barry ran super fast and look like he disappeared I think that is when he went to Supergirl's world. As he had that chest thing on when he was on Supergirl.

I was hoping for at least a one liner about a cute blonde or SOMETHING about the Supergirl episode... But it's like they were told to show the skip, but don't talk about it...

Oh well.

[Splinter the boss]

A friend said the same... But when Zoom shows up at STAR, he basically just appears with Wally... It didn't look like he had run into the room... I guess it just needed to be a bit more clear...

Barry did that too when he got superfast and was trying his speed in last night's episode. When he came back to the lab, he looked a little bit confused, why? Because he opened a little portal that took him right into the lab. He thought he ended up in an alternate world.

You can check it out if you want.

[mrmaczaps]

Barry did that too when he got superfast and was trying his speed in last night's episode. When he came back to the lab, he looked a little bit confused, why? Because he opened a little portal that took him right into the lab. He thought he ended up in an alternate world.

You can check it out if you want.

I don't recall that scene at all. Unless you mean when he popped through a portal (for the Supergirl episode) and then popped back out down the street... But I'll watch it again in a few days anyways.

[Krutch]

Why on earths would Barry give up his speed? Does nobody remember that his whole motivation is that he won't leave an entire earth prey to an evil speedster? Who exactly does he think will protect Earth-1 if he loses his speed and why does NOBODY voice that concern?
Also, Barry's faster than Zoom, right? So as soon as Zoom releases Wally, Barry just... keeps his promise to surrender?Yeah... I mean, I liked the general idea; I love it when heroes show sacrifice. But they had zero failsafe if Zoom decided to just massacre everyone once he had Flash's speed. Like, they pointed guns, but I mean, c'mon. Against this guy?

I'm really hoping this is all part of an elaborate plan that is revealed next episode, but I somehow doubt it. And even if that is the case, my complaints about no failsafe still stand.

I was hoping for at least a one liner about a cute blonde or SOMETHING about the Supergirl episode... Same here. I kinda wanted to see Cisco geek out over how in love he'd be with someone like that.

Or even better, Barry uses something he learned from Kara to push him through a tough spot. Show that she inspired him in some way.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/the_flash/the-flash-greg-berlanti-teases-the-real-jay-garrick-a139781

Okay, with this, it's like 99% confirmed the prisoner in the metal mask is the real legit Jay Garrick.

Which is what my wife and I have both assumed since Escape From Earth-2.

As pissed as I am about the poor writing of "Versus Zoom", I can't wait to see this final reveal.

[TurtleTitan97]

Even though this isn't necessarily related to the show, these are the supposed casting descriptions for the Flash movie.

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/the_flash/rumor-are-these-the-5-supporting-characters-currently-being-cast-for-a140841

IRIS WEST: Iris West is described in the breakdown as having Christiane Amanpour’s brains and Carrie Bradshaw’s style. An overcaffinated doe. A reporter at The Central City Citizen. Actresses are currently testing for this part.

EOBARD THAWNE: Eobard Thawne is described in the breakdown as Central City’s Bill Gates. The smartest man in the room and he suffers from advanced degenerative disease like Stephen Hawking. Thawne is confined to a chair.

FRED CHYRE: Fred Chyre is described in the breakdown as a gruff detective who first meets Barry at the scene of a crime. Now they’re colleagues and the closest thing Barry has to a friend. Chryre is investigating the unusual death of someone at Thawne Laboratories

LEN SNART: Len Snart is described in the breakdown as being ex-military and turns out to be working for Thawne. Have a feeling he is the muscle the way Anatoli Knyazev (aka the KGBEAST) was the muscle for Lex Luthor in Batman v Superman: Dawn Of Justice.

JAY GARRICK: Jay Garrick is described in the breakdown as being a former Central University professor who was fired for fringe science, and was working on the speed force program. Supposedly his role is just a cameo.


So if this turns out true, Thawne's gonna be a poor man's rip-off of this series take on him, Jay might not even start off as the first Flash, and Snart's gonna be a generic henchmen instead of the genius leader of the Rogue he's known to be. :roll:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Even though this isn't necessarily related to the show, these are the supposed casting descriptions for the Flash movie.

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/the_flash/rumor-are-these-the-5-supporting-characters-currently-being-cast-for-a140841

IRIS WEST: Iris West is described in the breakdown as having Christiane Amanpour’s brains and Carrie Bradshaw’s style. An overcaffinated doe. A reporter at The Central City Citizen. Actresses are currently testing for this part.

EOBARD THAWNE: Eobard Thawne is described in the breakdown as Central City’s Bill Gates. The smartest man in the room and he suffers from advanced degenerative disease like Stephen Hawking. Thawne is confined to a chair.

FRED CHYRE: Fred Chyre is described in the breakdown as a gruff detective who first meets Barry at the scene of a crime. Now they’re colleagues and the closest thing Barry has to a friend. Chryre is investigating the unusual death of someone at Thawne Laboratories

LEN SNART: Len Snart is described in the breakdown as being ex-military and turns out to be working for Thawne. Have a feeling he is the muscle the way Anatoli Knyazev (aka the KGBEAST) was the muscle for Lex Luthor in Batman v Superman: Dawn Of Justice.

JAY GARRICK: Jay Garrick is described in the breakdown as being a former Central University professor who was fired for fringe science, and was working on the speed force program. Supposedly his role is just a cameo.


So if this turns out true, Thawne's gonna be a poor man's rip-off of this series take on him, Jay might not even start off as the first Flash, and Snart's gonna be a generic henchmen instead of the genius leader of the Rogue he's known to be. :roll:

Yeah, I read this on comicbookmovie... SIGH.

They should NOT be doing this. I mean, I get why they don't want to use Grant Gustin... but this is just idiotic. Eobard Thawne? Check. Wheelchair? Check. Creativity and unique take on The Flash? ... ... ... Didn't think so.

[Splinter the boss]

Wait, there's gonna be a flash movie? When is it coming out?

[TurtleTitan97]

Wait, there's gonna be a flash movie? When is it coming out?

2018. Ezra Miller is playing Barry Allen.

[Splinter the boss]

Thanks, bro.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

THE FLASH - "The Runaway Dinosaur"
KEVIN SMITH DIRECTS – With Barry (Grant Gustin) gone, the team must figure out a way to handle the return of an old enemy – Girder (guest star Greg Finley). Realizing Girder is retracing his steps from his last attack, Iris (Candice Patton) volunteers to act as bait to trap him in S.T.A.R. Labs. Meanwhile, Barry fights to return to his old life. Kevin Smith directed the episode written by Zack Stentz.

Found this here:

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/dc_tv/arrow/dc-tv-heroes-and-villains-return-and-vanish-in-arrow-the-flash-and-a140861

Not sure how Earth-1 Girder is brought back to life. Also, WTF is "The Runaway Dinosaur?" :trolleye:

I've been expecting this episode to be poor given who's directing, but this... this is seeming to confirm those expectations.

[Autbot_Benz]

THE FLASH - "The Runaway Dinosaur"
KEVIN SMITH DIRECTS – With Barry (Grant Gustin) gone, the team must figure out a way to handle the return of an old enemy – Girder (guest star Greg Finley). Realizing Girder is retracing his steps from his last attack, Iris (Candice Patton) volunteers to act as bait to trap him in S.T.A.R. Labs. Meanwhile, Barry fights to return to his old life. Kevin Smith directed the episode written by Zack Stentz.

Found this here:

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/dc_tv/arrow/dc-tv-heroes-and-villains-return-and-vanish-in-arrow-the-flash-and-a140861

Not sure how Earth-1 Girder is brought back to life. Also, WTF is "The Runaway Dinosaur?" :trolleye:

I've been expecting this episode to be poor given who's directing, but this... this is seeming to confirm those expectations.

I think this episode will be fine. Kevin Smith is a huge DC Fan/comic book fan and loves this show I think we are in good hands. At least it wasn't guggie directing this.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I think this episode will be fine. Kevin Smith is a huge DC Fan/comic book fan and loves this show I think we are in good hands. At least it wasn't guggie directing this.

I know he's a huge fan but what has he written or directed? Tusk? Clerks? Mallrats? Jay and Silent Bob?

Sorry, but none of that filmography fills me with any confidence.

Still... least it's not Gugg.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Tonight's episode was slow but good. (Get it?)

Wells is always a highlight, Wally showed a little growth (very Roy from Arrow... they really are following the same general beats of Arrow)...

I think the best stuff was Caitlin with Killer Frost. :tgrin: Zoom icing KF was awesome. (Again, get it?)

Caveat: There is no way Zoom has already beaten Earth-2. They don't even show us anything... intimidating one major metropolis does not a global conqueror make.

[TurtleTitan97]

The highlight of this episode was definitely Zoom phasing through Caitlin and stabbing Killer Frost. Hope we see Barry pull that trick off later down the road.

[Slade]

Just show who is in the damn mask already.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Just show who is in the damn mask already.

They've declared it won't happen until the finale.

And it's totally the real Jay Garrick.

[Slade]

They've declared it won't happen until the finale.

And it's totally the real Jay Garrick.

Ahh hell. Thanks. I haven't seen that.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Ahh hell. Thanks. I haven't seen that.

Yeah, sorry. I find it annoying, too. I'll find it even MORE annoying if it's somebody other than the real Jay Garrick. :tlol:

[Raph's Girl]

Yeah, sorry. I find it annoying, too. I'll find it even MORE annoying if it's somebody other than the real Jay Garrick. :tlol:

Watch it be Kaitlyn's never before heard of till now brother Charlie that Killer Frost mentioned. Why else mention Charlie unless it becomes an eventual plot point?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Watch it be Kaitlyn's never before heard of till now brother Charlie that Killer Frost mentioned. Why else mention Charlie unless it becomes an eventual plot point?

To foreshadow the fact that Hunter Zolomon on Earth-2 has a twin brother named Jay Garrick? Seems more likely to me.

[Splinter the boss]

I like both your ideas, it could go either way. But, I'm leaning on the former, so far it's been shown that everyone from either earth has a doppelganger. Though, I don't see how Caitlin's brother could have been taken so long ago as zoom might not have had his speed yet.

Anyway, Zoom is pure evil, I like that. And Wells planning to replicate the Particle accelerator explosion was unpredictable. We'll see where that leads.

[mrmaczaps]

So, last night's episode...

Barry's fate...
Wally's fate...
Jesse's fate...
Zoom's fate...

The Man in the Iron Mask wasn't seen but I felt like there were a bunch more clues here as to his identity... Barry's father saying Garrick was his mother's maiden name... In the 99s Flash, Jay was Barry's older brother but was obviously an Allen not Garrick.

Seeing Cisco's brothers alternate and Caitlin...

Only a few more episodes left this season. Hopefully they use them well. Barry seems to be in the Speed Force or at least a TV version of it, maybe.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Ugh. Another episode featuring Barry Allen making idiotic decisions. I really hate the lack of common sense in CW's writing.

Also... now we know where they're going with the Man in the Mask, and I am not happy. Seems very forced. "Maiden name." :trolleye:

Still, the Ramon brothers were awesome and it's great to finally see how Jesse and Wally get their powers.

[TurtleTitan97]

Zoom killing all those police officers was also pretty neat. I get the feeling that by the end of the season Barry and Iris will get together and we'll hopefully see Bart soon.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Calling it now: Caitlin kills Hunter in the season finale.

[Splinter the boss]

Calling it now: Caitlin kills Hunter in the season finale.
Great, we're getting Kid Flash.
Also, isn't it weird that Zoom only tries to control Central City, Not the entire earth? They should show us at least other cities Zoom has under his control.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Great, we're getting Kid Flash.
Also, isn't it weird that Zoom only tries to control Central City, Not the entire earth? They should show us at least other cities Zoom has under his control.

What else is he gonna do, control Star City? What's the point? Malcolm, Slade, and R'as already leveled it. :trazz:

But yeah, I get your point. Zoom's plans suck and make little sense.

[Slade]

Ugh! I'm not liking where this seems to be going...

Also, it's totally gonna be JWS as Jay in the mask..

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Ugh! I'm not liking where this seems to be going...

Also, it's totally gonna be JWS as Jay in the mask..

Agreed. Staunchly agreed.

Season Two has had some amazing episodes, but the entire plot revolving around Zoom, his identity, and his plan... all a miserable failure. It really REALLY bothers me.

[TurtleTitan97]

This was hands down one of the best episodes of the series by far. Had some great character development for Barry and, just like the comics, showcases how Iris is just like Barry's lightning rod. And the way the speedforce was utilized was just...wow. I haven't gotten this emotional over a Flash episode in a long time.:o

They should definitely bring back Kevin Smith to direct another episode. Bring on the next episode.

[Autbot_Benz]

This was hands down one of the best episodes of the series by far. Had some great character development for Barry and, just like the comics, showcases how Iris is just like Barry's lightning rod. And the way the speedforce was utilized was just...wow. I haven't gotten this emotional over a Flash episode in a long time.:o

They should definitely bring back Kevin Smith to direct another episode. Bring on the next episode.

You can Trust Kevin Smith he is such a Comic Book Fanboy. Next week we see Berlanti and Kriesberg to Laurel Better in one episode than Guggenheim did in 4 seasons.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

This was amazing. It almost makes the terrible logic of "Versus Zoom" and the following two episodes worth it.

So the Speedforce is the Celestial Temple, and the denizens of the Speedforce are the Bajoran Prophets... I can live with this. :tgrin:

[Foombamaroom]

God, this is why the show's so successful. This is one of the only TV shows to legitimately make me cry, and that takes a lot.

As long as Geoff Jones and Kriesberg stay on this show, I think we can expect amazing future seasons.


What's everyone's verdict over Season 2, though? We've only got two episodes left, so I think it's a bit safe to say whether or not you like it more than 1.

Personally, I like 1 just a teeny bit more than 2, but it's like a 99% to a 95% if that makes sense.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

God, this is why the show's so successful. This is one of the only TV shows to legitimately make me cry, and that takes a lot.

As long as Geoff Jones and Kriesberg stay on this show, I think we can expect amazing future seasons.


What's everyone's verdict over Season 2, though? We've only got two episodes left, so I think it's a bit safe to say whether or not you like it more than 1.

Personally, I like 1 just a teeny bit more than 2, but it's like a 99% to a 95% if that makes sense.

I prefer Season 1. The villain was new and original, and his plan made sense.

I've enjoyed Season 2 and loved some of it (King Shark!), but Zoom/Jay/Hunter has just been a mess... also, Barry's decisions to screw around in Earth-2 and to give up his speed for Wally absolutely REEK of poor writing. I thought of successful fixes for those two scenarios that still end up with the exact same results in about ten minutes each.

[Foombamaroom]

I prefer Season 1. The villain was new and original, and his plan made sense.

I've enjoyed Season 2 and loved some of it (King Shark!), but Zoom/Jay/Hunter has just been a mess... also, Barry's decisions to screw around in Earth-2 and to give up his speed for Wally absolutely REEK of poor writing. I thought of successful fixes for those two scenarios that still end up with the exact same results in about ten minutes each.

What's weird is that I enjoy Season 2's individual episodes much more than I did with 1, but I still like the overarching plot of 1 better.

Weird. Either way, this show is leagues above Arrow and LoT.

[Splinter the boss]

Things that I liked
1. The morgue concept, totally love the idea.
2. The puberty talk, it was so awkward and funny.

I thought Iris saying " Barry, come home to me" was too much. It did not feel like something that anyone would say in real life. Maybe it's just me. But, that did not affect the episode at all, totally one of the best for the season.

EDIT: Does anyone know what Caitlin's decision is? I did not see next episode's preview.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

What's weird is that I enjoy Season 2's individual episodes much more than I did with 1, but I still like the overarching plot of 1 better.

Weird. Either way, this show is leagues above Arrow and LoT.

I think the quality of Season 1 is more consistent, but some of my single favorite episodes have been in this season: Trickster and Weather Wizard teamup, "King Shark", "Escape From Earth-2", "Flash Back"... oh, and let's not forget "The Reverse-Flash Returns."

Agreed. Legends of Tomorrow could be so much better, and we all know what happened with Arrow.

[Krutch]

Anyone else find the acting a little strange last episode? Not bad, just inconsistent with what's happening plot wise. As far as everyone knows, Barry is never coming back(yes, Cisco had a vision, but there's still a good chance they might lose him forever). But it seemed like after the opening scene or two, everyone was back to joking around and smiling with each other. Especially Iris, who ironically was playing her as likeable as I've ever seen her: Easy going, collected, optimistic with just the right amount of snark. It just seemed out of place in this episode considering the stakes. Maybe it was just me?

[TurtleTitan97]

Afraid it might be, mate.

[mrmaczaps]

All these cool comics things that everyone likes are all sadly things developed while Wally West wore the mask as the Flash of the late 80s until Barry the Bore returned as the Flash. It's annoying to talk to people who just think all this cool stuff is Barry's doing and they don't understand.

The Speed Force wasn't named until Wally was Flash.
The girl friend/love interest being the "anchor" was Linda and Wally's love...
Barry could time travel & dimension travel on his own, but Wally needed a machine. The cosmic treadmill.

All the really great Easter eggs or throw backs are Wally stuff that Johns himself created, just not for Barry...

And I didn't like this version of the Speed Force. Lol

[TurtleTitan97]

Barry could time travel & dimension travel on his own, but Wally needed a machine. The cosmic treadmill.


Um, you do know Barry Allen was the Flash that invented the Cosmic Treadmill in the first place for that exact purpose, right?

As shown since Showcase#4, yes, Barry can travel through time on his own power. But as he once stated in the issue with the treadmill's debut, it's a difficult process which is why he built it to make the experience easier.

[Autbot_Benz]

Speaking of Comics coming out in June is a graphic novel called The Flash Silver Age vol 1. Its 11 issues of Barry Allen's flash starting with his debut and it will feature issues with Grodd Mirror Master and Captain Cold. As someone who has never read flash but wants to I am picking it up.

It Collects SHOWCASE #4, #8 and #14, and THE FLASH #105-112.

[mrmaczaps]

Um, you do know Barry Allen was the Flash that invented the Cosmic Treadmill in the first place for that exact purpose, right?

As shown since Showcase#4, yes, Barry can travel through time on his own power. But as he once stated in the issue with the treadmill's debut, it's a difficult process which is why he built it to make the experience easier.


Yeah, I'm aware Barry made it but he rarely ever used it.

Either way, almost all the real cool Barry "stuff" is actually Wally developed "stuff".

I own and have read Barry's last 100 or so issues, all of Wally's run and then all the crap Barry stories since his return. It's really sad to retcon all the great Wally stories into not so great Barry stories. If Barry had always been as cool as Johns and co feel like he is, he would never have died in Crisis due to his series low sales. Barry was boring. When Barry came back, DC had a chance to expand the Flash character into two titles at least. Superman had four-five titles a month. Batman had way to many. Barry and Wally both should have been able to coexist.

Anyways, that's off topic of the show.

[TurtleTitan97]

Zack Stentz is returning to Flash in season 3 as a consulting producer: https://twitter.com/MuseZack/status/731269967803518980

[Splinter the boss]

Anyone else think Wally west won't become kid flash. Originally, I thought so, then I realize he wasn't in the same circumstances as Barry.
Anyone disappointed?

[TurtleTitan97]

Anyone else think Wally west won't become kid flash. Originally, I thought so, then I realize he wasn't in the same circumstances as Barry.
Anyone disappointed?

Wally's going become Kid Flash eventually, they're just holding it off for now. It's like how Roy didn't become Arsenal till Season 3 of Arrow.

[Foombamaroom]

Wally's going become Kid Flash eventually, they're just holding it off for now. It's like how Roy didn't become Arsenal till Season 3 of Arrow.

They definitely just set that, along with Jesse Quick, up.

[Slade]

Man these shows keep killing people. Saw it coming though.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Man these shows keep killing people. Saw it coming though.

"I'm not going anywhere."

[Autbot_Benz]

"I'm not going anywhere."

Bingo you win

[TurtleTitan97]

I'm so glad Flash didn't kill Black Siren. Ironic how this show treated Laurel better than four seasons of Arrow did.

RIP Henry. :(

Also, based on Cisco's vison, looks like a mini-Crisis is incoming.

[mrmaczaps]

Shock value death... probably because Arrow had one... sigh. The cast is getting too large... Maybe they can do a spin off and call it Young Justice... Supergirl is supposedly bringing in Superboy... Bart Allen from the future can't be far behind on this one... that just leaves a Jr Kid Arrow to show up and the trifecta is complete.

[Foombamaroom]

Shock value death... probably because Arrow had one... sigh. The cast is getting too large... Maybe they can do a spin off and call it Young Justice... Supergirl is supposedly bringing in Superboy... Bart Allen from the future can't be far behind on this one... that just leaves a Jr Kid Arrow to show up and the trifecta is complete.

What.

How is that a shock value death? It's going to move the story forward and have Barry go all out on Zoom? It's similar to Moira's death in Arrow.

If you want a pure shock value death, watch Laurel's death.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

That was a GREAT episode. Loved it, can't wait to see where we go from here.

And ever since "Garrick? Huh that's my mom's maiden name" and "I'm not going anywhere", the rest of the season was spelled out.

Yep, Henry died in this episode.
And yep, he's gonna be the Man in the Metal Mask.
And yep, he's the genuine legit Earth-2 Jay Garrick.

[mrmaczaps]

My issue with Henry being E2 "Jay Garrick" is that Barry is still almost exactly Barry on E2 so Henry is Henry there... now if Jay/Henry is from another Earth or the previous Flash TV show earth, I'm okay with that... as then he's not really Henry or Jay but an alternative Barry Allen. And THAT would be awesome.

As for his death, thanks to this very page for spoiling it, it had zero meaning or effect for me... so thanks for not using the spoiler tag minutes after the show aired.

[Foombamaroom]

As for his death, thanks to this very page for spoiling it, it had zero meaning or effect for me... so thanks for not using the spoiler tag minutes after the show aired.

>Goes on a forum specifically dedicated to The Flash minutes after an episode has aired.
>Hasn't seen the episode.
>Gets mad over spoilers.


k.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I think Boromir said it best:

"One does not simply visit Flash-dedicated websites or discussions before seeing the episode and then complain about spoilers."

[Darthknuxward]

That was a GREAT episode. Loved it, can't wait to see where we go from here.

And ever since "Garrick? Huh that's my mom's maiden name" and "I'm not going anywhere", the rest of the season was spelled out.

Yep, Henry died in this episode.
And yep, he's gonna be the Man in the Metal Mask.
And yep, he's the genuine legit Earth-2 Jay Garrick.


I would be mad about Henry's death if you hadn't made me realize this.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I would be mad about Henry's death if you hadn't made me realize this.

Honestly, I'm not thrilled at all that Jay Garrick will be Earth-2 Henry Allen. Basically, all of the Earth-2 secret identities have pissed me off this season.

Jay not being Jay but being this weird retconned Zolomon, and now Jay being Henry because we need more Barry emotional drama...

I think it's all been pretty sloppy, frankly.

[Splinter the boss]

Ramon and Snow's acting made my day. I definitely liked how Cisco repeated the things Reverb said to him during their encounter.

Jay took things to a different level, I like that. That guy never ceases to amaze me.
Now, I don't even know who to pick as the better villain " Reverse Flash or Zoom".
One just doesn't know how far Jay will go.
I can't wait for the season finale.

[Foombamaroom]

Honestly, I'm not thrilled at all that Jay Garrick will be Earth-2 Henry Allen. Basically, all of the Earth-2 secret identities have pissed me off this season.

Jay not being Jay but being this weird retconned Zolomon, and now Jay being Henry because we need more Barry emotional drama...

I think it's all been pretty sloppy, frankly.

Watch you be incorrect. XD

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Watch you be incorrect. XD

This late in the season? The odds of my theory being wrong are pretty slim... but we shall see.

[Slade]

That was a GREAT episode. Loved it, can't wait to see where we go from here.

And ever since "Garrick? Huh that's my mom's maiden name" and "I'm not going anywhere", the rest of the season was spelled out.

Yep, Henry died in this episode.
And yep, he's gonna be the Man in the Metal Mask.
And yep, he's the genuine legit Earth-2 Jay Garrick.


Pretty much. It's a bit stupid to me though. Everyone else has had an exact double, with their actual name. So why would Henry from Earth 1 be Jay Garrick on Earth 2? That honestly doesn't make any sense.


Oh, I know why. Just so they can have the original Flash played by...the original Flash.

[Splinter the boss]

But, nothing ever suggests that there was a flash on earth 2. It was Zalomon's doing all along.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Pretty much. It's a bit stupid to me though. Everyone else has had an exact double, with their actual name. So why would Henry from Earth 1 be Jay Garrick on Earth 2? That honestly doesn't make any sense.


Oh, I know why. Just so they can have the original Flash played by...the original Flash.

Exactly. It's a neat idea, but complete bull and nonsensical.

[Slade]

But, nothing ever suggests that there was a flash on earth 2. It was Zalomon's doing all along.

I don't buy that. How would Zolomon even know what the Flash is? He couldn't have gotten it from spying on Barry. Wells knew of the Flash on earth 2. He had to have been pretending to be Jay for a while before the singularity.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I don't buy that. How would Zolomon even know what the Flash is? He couldn't have gotten it from spying on Barry. Wells knew of the Flash on earth 2. He had to have been pretending to be Jay for a while before the singularity.

Again, exactly. Also, Jay Garrick is way too unique of a name for a made-up alias. Zoom is impersonating and replaced the real Jay Garrick, the original Earth-2 Flash.

[TurtleTitan97]

YUvV2eqizAU

[TurtleTitan97]

HOLY CRUD :o

-Zoom became The Black Flash

-Jay Garrick is Henry Allen's doppelganger

-Barry's time remnant's death was just like how Barry died in Crisis on Infinite Earths

-Barry just committed Flashpoint!!!

[Foombamaroom]

See, Guggenheim, THAT'S how you do a finale to make viewers hyped for next season.

This cliffhanger is gonna kill me, though. It's gonna be a long summer...

[Cure]

This show is great.

[Slade]

I've got way to much to say about this, so I'm just going to wait for a bit.



Not happy though..

[ZariusTwo]

Question is, does Arrow's finale matter at all anymore?

And maybe this is how they explain Supergirl being in the same universe

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

That was amazing. AMAZING. My wife and I both couldn't stop talking about it last night.

I actually squeaked with joy: "Flashpoint!!!"

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

This episode really surprised me. For one thing, I thought Wally, Jesse, and Barry (and possibly the real Jay) would all team up against Zoom. That was my theory for pretty much the entire season.

Instead, this episode skillfully wove in elements from previous shows that I had no idea would be used in this way... Time Wraiths, holograms, Time Remnants, etc.

And the reveal of the Man in the Metal Mask, a moment many showrunners would've done with fanfare and easter-egg squealing, was instead a sombre emotional sucker punch.

And, of course, the cliffhanger... moving to spoiler tags to discuss.
After all the work this season put into Jesse Quick and Wally West and NOT seeing them manifest their speedster abilities, it seems likely that the Flashpoint Paradox will be undone somewhat quickly... otherwise, there really wasn't any point to Jesse's character.

So what things will be permanently changed by Flashpoint and the undoing of Flashpoint? Will Caitlin have ice powers? Will Laurel and/or Snart have been resurrected and returned to their rightful places in the timeline?

Besides, we know Season 3 will more than likely feature Grodd as a major antagonist. Man, so many cool things are going to happen next season! All we need to do is keep the current showrunners and keep the blunder twins Guggenheim and Mericle the fvck AWAY from The Flash.

Season 3 hype: Gorilla Grodd and Gorilla City; Wally West, Jay Garrick, and Jesse Quick as speedsters; Earth-3; Flashpoint Paradox, with more Eobard Thawne; maybe Mirror Master and the Rogues fully assembled?

[Splinter the boss]

Wow, just wow. That was just well done. Those time remnants were cool. Yeah, I hope we get to see more of Wells, and Jesse. They were good members of the team. The original Jay Garrick thing was cool, I just think he was fat a little bit, I mean if you're a speedster and run all day, you have to be fit, oh well.
Barry, running back in time to save his mom was great, I guess Nora Allen will be back on season 3, I just can't wait. I just did not get why Barry saw himsel and acted surprised, could someone tell me why? Was it his past self that failed to save Nora or was it just a memory?

[TurtleTitan97]

I just did not get why Barry saw himsel and acted surprised, could someone tell me why? Was it his past self that failed to save Nora or was it just a memory?

It was the past Barry from the season 1 finale that faded out of existence.

[Splinter the boss]

Remember my point on No flash ever on earth2 ? I was right:D

[Splinter the boss]

Does anyone else think that Wally West will become the flash in season 3, and Barry Allen might just be a member of the team or worse become an evil speedster?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Does anyone else think that Wally West will become the flash in season 3, and Barry Allen might just be a member of the team or worse become an evil speedster?

Not at all. Not worried about this a bit. The DCEU is too screwed up at the moment for DC to tank their best TV show like that.

Also, evil Barry was a storyline from the New 52 that I wouldn't mind seeing for a few episodes.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Unrelated:

http://flashtvnews.com/the-flash-season-2-blu-ray-dvd-box-art-release-date-extras/25349

Buy Season 2, get the Arrow crossover episode included! You don't even have to buy the bullsh!t Arrow Season 4! :tcool: :tthumbsu:

[Splinter the boss]

Thanks, dude.

[Splinter the boss]

By the way, do you know where I can watch season 1. I've been looking everywhere, even on the cwtv website, with no success.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

By the way, do you know where I can watch season 1. I've been looking everywhere, even on the cwtv website, with no success.

Netflix has Season 1. Alternatively, I'd absolutely invest in the Season 1 DVD or Bluray set. CW earned your money with this one. :twink:

[Splinter the boss]

thanks.
for the sake of enough characters

[Rat A Tat]

The season 1 blu ray set of Flash is only $15 on Amazon right now, if that's an option for you. That even includes a digital copy of the season. Awesome price.

[Splinter the boss]

I was thinking and a question came to my mind. Why did zoom kill his younger self through the breach when he could have left him alive and spied more on team flash? Any theories/reasons?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I was thinking and a question came to my mind. Why did zoom kill his younger self through the breach when he could have left him alive and spied more on team flash? Any theories/reasons?

'Cause he's a psychopath who likes to hurt people. I'm assuming the rationale is that he knew that killing "Jay" would hurt Team Flash... making his eventual reveal to them all the more devastating.

[Autbot_Benz]

wow John Wesley Ship played Barry Allen in the 90's flash Jay Garrick in current Flash and he voiced Eobard Thawne/Reverse Flash in Batman Brave in the bold. He has played a lot of speedsters.

[Autbot_Benz]

Flash is back October 4th 2016 8pm

[ZariusTwo]

Flashpoint is on

https://twitter.com/grantgust/status/744932568106049536

[Raph's Girl]

Tom "Draco Malfoy" Felton has joined the cast as a CSI for Central City. So it looks like Barry's no longer the only CSI person in the Central City police dept. :lol:

http://flashtvnews.com/tom-felton-joins-the-flash-as-a-series-regular/25367

[M.O.D.O.K.]

Tom "Draco Malfoy" Felton has joined the cast as a CSI for Central City. So it looks like Barry's no longer the only CSI person in the Central City police dept. :lol:

http://flashtvnews.com/tom-felton-joins-the-flash-as-a-series-regular/25367

I'm disappointed he's not playing Abra Kadabra.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Tom "Draco Malfoy" Felton has joined the cast as a CSI for Central City. So it looks like Barry's no longer the only CSI person in the Central City police dept. :lol:

http://flashtvnews.com/tom-felton-joins-the-flash-as-a-series-regular/25367

My wife and I couldn't believe the news when we saw it.

Assuming he's Joe's new partner...?

[Raph's Girl]

My wife and I couldn't believe the news when we saw it.

Assuming he's Joe's new partner...?

He's a CSI so he'd be Barry's uh partner/team mate.

[Autbot_Benz]

Kevin Smith is back directing Episode 7 of Season 3

"“I know I’m going back to The Flash, first week of September, to direct episode 7 of season 3. Still haven’t heard anything back from Arrow. You know, I wish, it would be amazing because I would love to write and direct Onomatopoeia in the show. Um, but I know they’re doing – what is it? – Wild Dog this year, as well as Vigilante, so maybe they’re just like ‘we don’t need you’, or whatever. But, at the moment, anyone over there raises a flag; I’m like ‘please, let me in!’ That’d be fun as f***.”

[TurtleTitan97]

Kid Flash is coming!!!! :D

http://media.dcentertainment.com/sites/default/files/imce/2016/07-JUL/KF_lr_57845fd140a5c6.45575171.jpg

http://www.comicbookresources.com/imgsrv/imglib/0/0/1/CnI5K3AUcAA0eCO-7eee0.jpg

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Kid Flash is coming!!!! :D

http://media.dcentertainment.com/sites/default/files/imce/2016/07-JUL/KF_lr_57845fd140a5c6.45575171.jpg

http://www.comicbookresources.com/imgsrv/imglib/0/0/1/CnI5K3AUcAA0eCO-7eee0.jpg

I just saw that over on comicbookmovie. Looks amazing! :tcool:

I mean, he's missing the red hair... but this is great!

[Splinter the boss]

Good! Kid flash is one of the characters I want to see on the show, though I had my doubts. The costume looks magnificent. To me, it is way better-looking than the flash's, this might be due the mix of colors.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Others have already said it, but I've been wondering since Wally first debuted:

WHY is he wearing yellow? Isn't that too close to Reverse Flash? The Man in the Yellow Suit?

Until I saw this (admittedly awesome) suit, I assumed they'd be going with the New52 silver suit.

[TurtleTitan97]

Probably because Black Wally is now wearing the classic colors in the comics now.

Whatever the reason, I'm glad they decided to go with a classic look.

[CyberCubed]

I still don't get why Kid Flash is black in the comics and now in this show. And his name is still Wally too?

[TurtleTitan97]

If you actually kept up with news, you'd now that classic Wally is back. So I don't see why you should be bothered when you don't even watch this show. It's not like it'll affect you.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

If you actually kept up with news, you'd now that classic Wally is back. So I don't see why you should be bothered when you don't even watch this show. It's not like it'll affect you.

He watches Flash. Don't you remember his bae was in a crossover episode? :twink:

Cubed, I want you to do something for me. Do it for me, yourself, and Melissa.

Get a tattoo (preferably on your forearm) saying "Cubed & Melissa 4Eva" inside a stylized heart. Then post it on her Facebook page and ask her on a date.

LOOK FOR LOVE IN ALL THE RIGHT PLACES, CUBED.

[Netkeeper]

And here I was thinking I was the biggest shipper on deck.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I will always ship Cubed/Melissa. Always.

[Splinter the boss]

I whish season 3 started already. I want to see Wally west and Barry team up and take on powerful villains. With the show's awesome CGI, I can't imagine how great they'll be.

By the way, do you guys know that the main villain of season 3 may not be a meta-human?

[Raph's Girl]

I still don't get why Kid Flash is black in the comics and now in this show. And his name is still Wally too?

There's 2 Wally West's in the comics. The Flash is the white one, Kid Flash is his mulato cousin. Iris apparantly had 2 brothers. There was a falling out in the family and the older brother left. Both brothers tho honored their grandfather by naming their sons Wallace.

[TurtleTitan97]

By the way, do you guys know that the main villain of season 3 may not be a meta-human?

They haven't announced anyone for the big bad yet. Though previous comments made by the producers, if taken seriously, indicate that Grodd and Gorilla City could play a big role.

That being said, I hope this season takes a break from speedster villains, unless of course said villain is Eobard Thawne coming back from the dead.