New Smash Bros for 3ds and Wii U

[Zachatello00]

Though we've known about the 4th Smash Bros installment coming out soon, I couldn't find a specific thread talking about the new Smash Bros games coming. I thought it would be cool to have one to talk about our hopes and speculations as details continue to emerge about the 2014 release.

So what do you think? Who do you want to see? Who should return, who shouldn't? Who should join for the first time?

Personally, I'm psyched about Megaman as a new third party character.

I'd also like to see Tetra join the battle.

CHARACTER ROSTER: updated 10/2

Veteran Fighters:
Mario
Link
DK
Samus
Fox
Pikachu
Kirby
Luigi
Peach
Bowser
Pit
Olimar & Pikmin
Sonic the Hedgehog
Toon Link

New Comers:
Animal Crossing's Villager
Wii Fit Trainer
MegaMan

[Donatello19]

I could've sworn we had a thread for this...

But anyway, I'm really pumped for this game, I've always been a smash fan. I'll be getting for both the Wii U and the 3DS. The new characters shown so far seem really cool, especially the Wii Fit trainer. I really want to see Sonic return! Characters that I think won't return are Toon Link, Ike and Marth, Lucas, Lucario, R.O.B, and Wolf. I'd love to see Wreck-It Ralph make it in as a urprise guest :D His fighting moves are even self explanatory..and his final smash could be turning the stage into the Fix-it Felix Jr. building (with the other fighters trapped inside the windows) and then he climbs on top and wrecks it :D

[Zachatello00]

Cool thought on Ralph, I'd dig that.

I would also hope that they keep Sonic around, though Megaman is an awesome addition. I wonder about how Zelda might appear. I think it would make sense to feature her look based on her Skyward Sword appearance. Though I don't know what that might mean for Sheik. Perhaps there was a Sheik concept design for SS as there was for Twilght Princess.

Zelda is my second favorite character to use, so I hope we'll continue to see her. My first favorite is Peach.

[CyberCubed]

Sheik was kept for Brawl so she'll be kept for this one. Especially with Ocarina recently remade again.

[The Stryker]

I'd love to see Wreck-It Ralph make it in as a urprise guest :D His fighting moves are even self explanatory..and his final smash could be turning the stage into the Fix-it Felix Jr. building (with the other fighters trapped inside the windows) and then he climbs on top and wrecks it :D

They shouldn't waste a roster slot on a terrible character from a bad movie.

[Peanut]

I hate these threads, because it always turns into people thinking awful characters should be in the game.

[Leo656]

Starman from Pro Wrestling had better be in it.

[Turo602]

Batman should be in it.

[Peanut]

Goku is my first choice.

[GK Punk]

The Kacho or nothing. he can yell ABUNAAAAAAAAAI every time he gets hit

[Leo656]

:o:teek: ...You didn't say Rob Van Dam...? :teek::o

[GK Punk]

Well, it's not a VS answer.

[Powder]

I'd like to see a new Pokemon trainer who is each generations main character with each change of costume. So the main slot would be Red, then Gold, etc. The Pokemon would alternate as well, keeping the same pattern as in brawl where it's the 3 corresponding starters from each respective game, in a different stage of evolution. Maybe its more work than it's worth for the people working on it, but as a big Pokemon fan I'd looove that. I'd really like to have Dixie Kong, too.

[Leo656]

Well, it's not a VS answer.

I guess. :ohwell:

[Eiko]

They shouldn't waste a roster slot on a terrible character from a bad movie.

Thats your opinion. For one i think Wreck-It Ralph was a great movie.

[The Stryker]

Thats your opinion. For one i think Wreck-It Ralph was a great movie.

It's great if you love movies that are completely unfunny or are easily impressed by known video game characters showing up for 10 seconds.

My choice for Smash Bros is Indiana Jones.

[Zachatello00]

Maybe its more work than it's worth for the people working on it, but as a big Pokemon fan I'd looove that. I'd really like to have Dixie Kong, too.

I've thought about similar things where the Pokemon trainer is concerned. What really bugs me is that not one of the current PT's color swaps includes the Shiny version of Charizard. I would have thought that to be an obvious choice.

[Donatello19]

They shouldn't waste a roster slot on a terrible character from a bad movie.

Not everyone hates the movie like you do. I for one love it. Please, can you explain why Ralph is a "terrible character"?

I hate these threads, because it always turns into people thinking awful characters should be in the game.

Yes, how dare people give their opinions on who should be in the game.

[愛]

No fun allowed.

[The Stryker]

Not everyone hates the movie like you do. I for one love it. Please, can you explain why Ralph is a "terrible character"?

He's completely devoid of any real characteristics. He's just this bland "I wanna do good" vessel that doesn't develop in the slightest. He's exactly the same at the end of the movie as he was at the beginning except that he has a medal or something. Pointless. Also, like everything else in that movie....NOT FUNNY. AT ALL.

Yes, how dare people give their opinions on who should be in the game.

It's not even about having opinions. It's about dumbasses putting out their ridiculous fantasy rosters that include crap like Goku and Bart Simpson. It's dumb.

[Donatello19]

He's completely devoid of any real characteristics. He's just this bland "I wanna do good" vessel that doesn't develop in the slightest. He's exactly the same at the end of the movie as he was at the beginning. Pointless. Also, like everything else in that movie....NOT FUNNY. AT ALL.



It's not even about having opinions. It's about dumbasses putting out their ridiculous fantasy rosters that include crap like Goku and Bart Simpson. It's dumb.

Well, if that's what you think. To each their own.

I don't think Ralph would be that unlikely such as Bart or Goku, since he's a "video game character" and he made a guest appearance as a racer in Sonic and All Stars Racing Transformed.

[The Stryker]

Well, if that's what you think. To each their own.

I don't think Ralph would be that unlikely such as Bart or Goku, since he's a "video game character" and he made a guest appearance as a racer in Sonic and All Stars Racing Transformed.

Danica Patrick also appeared in that game. I would hope Nintendo aren't desperate shills for product placement like Sega.

The whole point of SSB is supposed to be a love letter to Nintendo for the most part. Putting in a forgettable character from a forgettable movie cheapens the whole thing and puts it in the same league with garbage like Playstation All-Stars.

[raph27]

My choice for Smash Bros is Indiana Jones.

F*CK YES. Yesyesyes.

[Zachatello00]

It's not even about having opinions. It's about dumbasses putting out their ridiculous fantasy rosters that include crap like Goku and Bart Simpson. It's dumb.

Evidently, it's also about people who have nothing better to do who troll forum threads they don't care about, and post negative bull crap. If you don't wanna talk about Smash Bros, don't post.

[Turo602]

F*CK YES. Yesyesyes.

You do realize he was being sarcastic? Plus, that's a terrible choice. Why would you even support it?

[tmnt transformer]

I want to see the return of toon link and sonic.... and see tetra/toon zelda join the fight...

[Zachatello00]

If they are going to do Toon Link again, I would like to see him evolve a bit more. Wind Waker's Link had plenty of his own gadgets, moves, etc without having to basically be Brawl's version of Melee's Young Link, who was already a clone of Adult Link.

[The Stryker]

Evidently, it's also about people who have nothing better to do who troll forum threads they don't care about, and post negative bull crap. If you don't wanna talk about Smash Bros, don't post.

Oh boy. I don't support putting in a character from some random movie! The horror! Who said I don't care about Smash Bros?

You do realize he was being sarcastic? Plus, that's a terrible choice. Why would you even support it?

Shh Shh. It's funnier if he thinks I'm dead serious.

[Zachatello00]

Oh boy. I don't support putting in a character from some random movie! The horror! Who said I don't care about Smash Bros?


I suppose I miss-understood. Sorry. Smash away!

[GK Punk]

In all seriousness, I'd like to see Ridley from Metroid make it in.

[CyberCubed]

Ridley was actually one of the most requested characters for Brawl, but Sakurai said he was "too big" to be playable.

Which is idiotic, since Ridley can be made the same size as Charizard and there would be no difference. Charizard is supposed to be huge yet he isn't...none of the Smash characters are in scale.

[Peanut]

Aren't Charizards supposed to be under 6 feet tall? How is that huge?

Ridley is actually supposed to be gigantic. I'd would be neat to see him in the game, but he'd have to be shrunk a considerable amount. Completely unlike everyone else in the game.

[tmnt transformer]

Ridley is def. too big.... I would like to see X & Zero from the mega man x series.

[Cure]

Charizard's official height is 5'7". That's not huge.

[Peanut]

Ridley is def. too big.... I would like to see X & Zero from the mega man x series.

Mega Man is already in there. Why would you need more? This isn't a game about guest characters. It's about the history of Nintendo. The line needs to be drawn.

Can we mention someone/something that makes sense? Like which Fire Emblem character(s) get in this round? Is Marth or Ike the one to go? Both of them? Is Chrom the obvious addition?

Does someone from Golden Sun finally get in? What about something from Nintendo's smaller titles like HarmoKnight? What about off-the-wall stuff like Captain Rainbow or Chibi-Robo? Does Nintendo's relationship with Namco now bring in characters from Tales of Symphonia, or Baten Kaitos? Speaking of RPG's, what about a character from Xenoblade or the forthcoming X from Monolithsoft?

Do existing franchises get more/fewer characters? Do they finally get rid of the boring Star Fox clones? Does Ganondorf finally get his own unique move set? Do they scale back the Pokemon characters, or do they simply swap Lucario out for the new Pokemon of the moment and move PKMN Trainer to G/S era starters and call it a day?

Or, we could just keep talking about which bad characters from non-Nintendo franchises should be in the game.

[CyberCubed]

Little Mac is almost obviously going to be playable. There's already a boxing stage match and Punchout for Wii was a great remake.

[GK Punk]

Aren't Charizards supposed to be under 6 feet tall? How is that huge?

Ridley is actually supposed to be gigantic. I'd would be neat to see him in the game, but he'd have to be shrunk a considerable amount. Completely unlike everyone else in the game.

I'm actually 100% fine with that. I may be in the minority there though.

[Peanut]

Yeah, I agree with you. I was just trying to argue with CyberCubed because he talks mad yang, then runs away and ignores it.

[The Stryker]

I definitely think Chrom or Lucina should be a Fire Emblem rep.

I also want a Rhythm Heaven stage or something.

[Donatello19]

How about Bowser Jr.? His final smash could be jumping into his clown hover thingy while all of the other Koopa Kids attack the other fighters.

[Peanut]

Karate Joe from Rhythm Heaven is my new #1 want for a character.

There has to be some Rhythm Heaven love in this one. I understand them keeping it light in the last Smash, because by that point Tengoku had come out on the GBA in Japan years before, but there have been two acclaimed games released in the series since Brawl.

Oh, man. Why didn't I think of Rhythm Heaven!? More psyched than ever.

[The Stryker]

I think there are enough Mario characters.

The only addition from that franchise I'd be totally fine with would be Waluigi and that's strictly personal bias talking.

They need to get their sh*t together and make Luigi his own character and not a Mario clone before they do ANYTHING.

[Peanut]

No more Mario characters, especially not sh*tty ones like Bowser Jr.. I too would make an exception for Waluigi, but I know that's a ridiculous notion.

I think Luigi needs the Poltergust. If he doesn't at least get that and a Final Smash that isn't total sh*t, I'll be disappointed.

One thing I haven't seen a lot of talk about is Assist Trophies. I think those were one of the coolest things in Brawl, so I hope they keep it and expand the list as much as possible. Orbulon and dancing space rabbits plz!

Also, a Nintendoland stage would be pretty cool. I felt the stages in Brawl were kinda lacking in comparison to the old stuff. I disliked the majority of it, so I hope they put more work into that aspect of the game. I'd like more creative stuff like the WarioWare stage.

[Cure]

I'm actually 100% fine with that. I may be in the minority there though.

I'm with you, too. Also with Stryker about Chrom or Lucina.

I will put what I want into a neat bullet format:


I want Ganondorf to not be a clone
Just Fox for Star Fox
Bayonetta (for the lolz)
Shulk from Xenoblade
Little Mac
Luigi to have the Poltergust
Costumes and skins instead of colors

[CyberCubed]

The only other Mario character I can see being playable is Toad, only because he's iconic to the franchise. Even if he's a Peach move. They're probably going to add Dixie Kong as well, there were sound files for her in Brawl and she's playable in DKC:TF.

Most franchises are done at this point with the most iconic characters, hence why some franchises like Kirby and Starfox won't get any new characters.

For Metroid the only option they really have is Ridley.

Sakurai has wanted Samurai Goroh to be playable since Melee, but since F-zero is such a low-tier franchise now (its been an entire decade since F-zero GX in 2003), he probably won't add him now either.

[Donatello19]

A cool guest character could be Pacman. His final smash would be turning the level into the Pacman maze, and you can use him to eat the other fighters, who desperately try to find their way around the maze without being eaten.

[Peanut]

That's...a really great idea for a Final Smash!

[Cure]

A cool guest character could be Pacman. His final smash would be turning the level into the Pacman maze, and you can use him to eat the other fighters, who desperately try to find their way around the maze without being eaten.

Oh, man. I'm into it.

[Donatello19]

That's...a really great idea for a Final Smash!

Oh, man. I'm into it.

One of my ideas not being instantly shot down?

http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/434135716.jpg

[The Stryker]

I'd be cool with Pac-Man as a guest character. Mostly because I love Pac-Man.

[Peanut]

Then you had to go and ruin it by posting one of those stupid pictures. :(

I'm OK with Pac-Man, because he's iconic as all f*ck, but only as long as his alter-ego Packard Mannington is a selectable costume.

[Donatello19]

Then you had to go and ruin it by posting one of those stupid pictures. :(

Aaaaaand back to normal :lol:

[The Stryker]

Then you had to go and ruin it by posting one of those stupid pictures. :(

I'm OK with Pac-Man, because he's iconic as all f*ck, but only as long as his alter-ego Packard Mannington is a selectable costume.

I was going to say the Pac-Man 2 version.

Where his final smash involves using a slingshot to instruct Pac-Man to milk a cow. This somehow kills everyone.

http://pixel-response.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/pacman2-00.jpg

[Donatello19]

If Pacman does make it in I hope they don't use the design from that new show...

[Cure]

Packard Mannington would be God tier.

[Donatello19]

You know what would be even cooler for Pac's final smash? If everything was pixelated, including the other fighters. IDK if Nintendo would go through all that just for one character's smash though...

[Ninjinister]

Yeah the only Mario rep I wouldn't mind being added would be Waluigi. Or Wart. Wart doesn't get any love :|

[Donatello19]

I will never understand why everyone wants Walugi as a fighter :ohwell:

[The Stryker]

I will never understand why everyone wants Walugi as a fighter :ohwell:

Because he's amazing?

[Zachatello00]

If Luigi had the poltergust for his final smash, it would cool to see it look something like Chef Kirby, where he sucks everyone in, but then instead of cooking them, he could blast them out of the screen.

And speaking of assist trophies, that could be a neat way to include some characters like tempo from harmoknight or even some of the third party characters like zero. After all, we did see Shadow as an assist trophy, and Grey Fox. It would be a cool alternative to giving them a starring role.

[Turo602]

I actually hope Ghirahim makes it in, only because he would translate so well into Smash Bros. I'm actually disappointed that they didn't use Skyward Sword Link for this one.

[CyberCubed]

Apparently Sakurai doesn't care for the Zelda franchise much, hence its poor presentation in Smash.

The fact that Ganondorf is still a clone of Captain Falcon after two games is mind blowing. Toon Link also should have had a unique moveset based on Wind Waker/Minish Cap and instead he's a clone too.

If Ganondorf is STILL a clone in Smash 4, its almost as if Sakurai purposely doesn't give a damn about one of Nintendo's most popular franchises.

[Turo602]

I was also hoping for some distinct characters depending on the platform. For example, the 3DS having OoT Link or even ALBW Link and the WiiU having SS Link instead. It would really make both games stand out a little more. And the way they've been treating Luigi is pretty sad... why not just give him moves based around Luigi's Mansion? I never understood what was with the stupid dancing and magic crap he has.

[Justin]

I just hope I have fun playing the game and that it is good.

[Ninjinister]

I will never understand why everyone wants Walugi as a fighter :ohwell:

You wanted someone else?

http://youchew.net/wiki/images/thumb/a/af/TooBadWaluigiTime.jpg/180px-TooBadWaluigiTime.jpg

[Donatello19]

The online play better be awesome.

[Zachatello00]

Yeah, that's a good bring up. Online play was pretty rough last time around. However, in my opinion, the online experiences of the Wii U are vastly improved over that of the Wii, so hopefully that will improve.

[The Stryker]

I can't wait to update the game on day one.

I'll be playing it by day two.

[Zachatello00]

I remember getting ticked about that with the Wii U itself right out of the box. I live out in the country, so my updates and downloads take longer anyway. But dude, when I took 4 hours to do a system update, on launch day, before I could play it... yeah...

broke out the old school NES and got to work!

[Donatello19]

I love how people complain about the system taking time to make itself better. It's not like you have to sit there and wait...you could do other things you know..

[Peanut]

That's the dumbest f*cking defense I've ever heard for the horrendous update times. Good work.

[Ninjinister]

Updates never take more than two minutes for me, dawgs (other than that initial one that was an hour or so). In fact I haven't heard anybody complain about update speed since like... March, I wanna say? I mean the fact that it was that bad to begin with was bulls**t, but it's all good now.

[Zulithe]

Plan on getting both versions. I'm glad they are making the 3DS version have its own vibe with that cellshaded look and all. Hope I can find some people to challenge on the train, I've had a few MK7 matches that way :P

[Peanut]

Updates never take more than two minutes for me, dawgs (other than that initial one that was an hour or so). In fact I haven't heard anybody complain about update speed since like... March, I wanna say? I mean the fact that it was that bad to begin with was bulls**t, but it's all good now.

You haven't talk to many people then. Being even a SECOND longer than the time it takes to update and patch on a system released 7 years ago is unacceptable, but the Wii U takes far longer. The wait times I had waiting to play Pikmin 3 and NSLU were a joke.

[The Stryker]

I love how people complain about the system taking time to make itself better. It's not like you have to sit there and wait...you could do other things you know..

The 360 updates games in like 2 minutes or less.

And that console came out....forever ago. The Wii U was released last year. There's the problem.

[Zulithe]

While inexcusable, they did improve the speed with the Spring update quite a bit. The Summer update is supposed to make it faster still.

And I've read newer Wii U's do ship with Spring firmware to make the process better for late adopters -__-

I still remember getting my Wii U home on launch day and having that long as hell patch... it wasn't just the size of the patch and the slowness of the Wii U hardware, but the servers were also being hammered :/

Sony and MS have their **** more together but I'm sure we'll see day one patches for those too. Don't expect them to be as bad... but we'll see.

[Peanut]

No, the PS3 has the most abhorrent software. Doing anything on that machine takes eons. I tried to play Mod Nation Racers a year or so ago and I'm not exaggerating in saying it took me over and hour to update it and by the time it was finished I ended up never playing it.

The 360 had its own issues, but updating and patching were an entirely painless experience.

[Ninjinister]

So are you legitimately telling me (I'm not being snarky or anything, I'm actually wondering) that I'm in the minority because none of my consoles suck ass at updating?

[Peanut]

Yes, I am and no one is saying theres a "problem" updating, it's just unacceptably slow. The Wii U and the PS3 update like ****. It's a fact. I've heard a lot of people say the same things you have and nobody says you're lying, you're just incredibly lucky. I also don't think you've gone through the update process of something like ModNation that required at least 5 straight patches and updates, something that simply doesn't happen on the 360. Updating for Pikmin 3 and NSLU required both a console update download and installation, then a game update and installation.

Maybe I'm spoiled by the fact that the 360 updates both hardware and software in seconds, but I also know I'm far from alone in the way I feel. Even if an update takes 10 minutes, like the one for Pikmin 3, that's too long. The precedent set by a console over a half a decade old should be easy to at least come to parity with.

[Cure]

Updates would be God tier.

[Donatello19]

Does any have any predictions on when this will be released? I know 2014, but when in 2014? My guess is around Christmas.

[NinjaMan]

Man I was so happy when I saw Mega Man confirmed. My only other big wish is Little Mac.

[Zachatello00]

When he made an appearance as an assist trophy in Brawl, it seemed (to me at least) that maybe they were prepping him for the next one. That and, Punch-out for Wii being the hit (no pun intended) it was, I think it's likely we'll see him debut as a fighter.

[Zachatello00]

Since the last post, we've had three new characters confirmed: Peach, Sonic, and Toon Link.

I'm not necessarily surprised, but happy that Peach is confirmed, she's my favorite to play as.

Of the three, Sonic was the most surprising. I wondered if the third party characters would carry over or if they were "one and done." I'm glad to see he'll be returning.

[CyberCubed]

I think all the characters from Brawl will return except maybe Lucas and Lucario.

Don't see the reason to axe anyone else.

[Zachatello00]

There are a few I certainly wouldn't miss. I don't know if I've ever heard anyone say anything good about ROB, though I liked that Nintendo started trying to think outside the box.

While I'm not in favor of going super crazy with the roster, I think it would be a neat idea for Nintendo to continue to try to surprise us with something we really don't expect in terms of characters.

ROB wasn't my favorite, but what about like, I dunno, Captain N with his "Zapper" or even Nester, from the old days of Nintendo power. Maybe that sounds lame, but at least these are characters that are rooted in Nintendo tradition. Just a thought.

[Peanut]

They're more interesting ideas than Knuckles and Zero.

[Zachatello00]

agreed. I'm sure (and hopeful) that third party characters will be limited to one per franchise.

[Zachatello00]

Rosalina and Luma, and Marth have joined the cast since our last post. I'm happy to see Rosalina join. I wondered if her appearance in the more recent Mario games was hyping fans up for this announcement. I know I'm excited! I'm happy to see that it looks like she's not a Peach "clone".

[Donatello19]

Ah, very nice. It's always good to see more female characters. Kinda cool that she's paired up with Luma at all times.

http://www.smashbros.com/us/images/character/rosetta/illust-modal.jpg

More screen shots here:
http://www.smashbros.com/us/characters/rosetta.html

[Cure]

Fox is getting a peek.

[Turo602]

Fox is getting a peek.

LMFAO! He looks very determined.

[CyberCubed]

Rosalina has really shot up in popularity ever since her debut. She's the most popular new Mario character in recent memory. Look at how long it took people to accept Bowser Jr. after his debut in Mario Sunshine.

Although Rosalina being god-like and being female probably has to do with it. She's basically a better Peach.

[Peanut]

Who the f*ck has accepted Bowser Jr? He's still awful and disliked.

[CyberCubed]

After New Super Mario Bros. Wii came out and it showed Bowser Jr. alongside the Koopalings people didn't mind him as much.

One of the original reasons he was disliked is people thought Nintendo was going to forget about the Koopalings forever and just have Bowser Jr. always in their place. New Super Mario Bros on DS only having Bowser Jr. as well as both Galaxy games kind of cemented this.

I've seen many fans over at various gaming forums constantly want him for Smash for some reason. I'd rather Toad be playable over him to be honest.

[sdp]

I've come to like Bowser Jr. and I hated him. As far as Rosalina, I love Super Mario Galaxy and love that it's not forgotten however I never did like her a lot, mostly because she looks exactly like Peach but with a different hairdo, we also have too many Mario characters represented in SSBB. Not to mention that outside the first Galaxy she hasn't had a big role, sure she's playable in 3DW and Kart but her role got reduced in Galaxy 2. I might've actually preferred Waluigi or Bowser Jr for another Mario rep, even if they aren't girls, I'm guessing Rosalina only made it for that reason, the lack of females in the roster.

I was actually really bummed about the reveal, I just haven't gotten hyped at all for this SSB, and I don't know why, I loved Brawl unlike most but more of the same just doesn't make me excited. I was really hyped when watching the video because I thought Mario Kart would become "Mario Kart and the Nintendo All-Stars" when I saw Kirby. MK8 looks neat, I'm more hyped than MK Wii or 7 which I skipped but I still feel like it's just another MK, at least having Link and Samus would've made it more appealing. I'd rather have them than random somewhat popular Mario character #5. I hated the idea of other franchises in Mario Kart since it's called MK until I saw the trailer and I realized it didn't really matter and having Kirby there seemed fantastic.

[CyberCubed]

Rosalina was the best choice for a Mario character other than Toad.

This isn't Mario Kart, we don't need low-tier characters like Daisy and Walugi to be playable.

[Peanut]

Waluigi > every other possible new Mario rep.

[hadoolket]

there's so much hate for rosalina in certain forums!

but i'm gonna main her and the haters gonna keep hatin'

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[XERO]

Is it a stretch to want Shatterhand in this game?

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

A Belmont from Castlevania series would be good. Maybe Richter

[Mr. J]

I'm glad that I've got Marth but It just recently occurred to me that some core characters have still not been announced (Captain Falcon, Ness, Yoshi) what the hell Nintendo?

[Cure]

It's nowhere near being released yet. Calm the hell down.

[Mr. J]

It's just weird that some of the core characters have not been announced yet and the roster is already starting to get pretty big. I remember an interview or something where one of the dudes said that not everyone is going to make it in this game.

[Cure]

Right, like they're gonna cut any of those 3. I bet you were also worried when Capcom wouldn't announce Spider-Man for Marvel VS. Capcom 3.

[Mr. J]

No.

I just know that Nintendo doesn't care about Mother or F-Zero anymore. Yoshi will obviously get in though.

[Peanut]

You're on bad drugs, kid.

[Turo602]

I'm just worried that they're not gonna announce Satoru Iwata, Miyamoto, or Reggie.

[Mr. J]

I'm just worried that they're not gonna announce Satoru Iwata, Miyamoto, or Reggie.

Iwata as an alternate Luigi costume.
Miyamoto as an alternate Mario costume.
Reggie as an alternate Wario costume.

[CyberCubed]

I still can't understand why they don't make Ridley playable. Make him the same size as Charizard and he would be a perfectly playable character.

It's ridiculous that Samus herself is the only Metroid character playable, why they don't finally put Ridley in is beyond me.

[The Stryker]

I still can't understand why they don't make Ridley playable. Make him the same size as Charizard and he would be a perfectly playable character.

It's ridiculous that Samus herself is the only Metroid character playable, why they don't finally put Ridley in is beyond me.

Because making him tiny would be stupid?

[Peanut]

Charizard is 5'7". Ridley is like 20 feet tall. People need to stop making that awful comparison.

And seriously, complaining about one Metroid rep when the series has a single character that even slightly matters is a joke.

[tmnt transformer]

I still can't understand why they don't make Ridley playable. Make him the same size as Charizard and he would be a perfectly playable character.

It's ridiculous that Samus herself is the only Metroid character playable, why they don't finally put Ridley in is beyond me.

Do you really want a mini Ridley? come on man!? If anyone else from the metroid series becomes playable, it would be Dark Samus at best...

[NinjaMan]

I'm really curious to know what the new single player mode will be like. Looking forward to hopefully some info on online play.

[Mr. J]

King K. Rool would be cool to see, Pac-Man, Lyn from Fire Emblem, Isaac from Golden Sun, Lloyd from Tales of Symphonia and for the hell of it, Bayonetta.

[NinjaMan]

King K. Rool would be cool to see, Pac-Man, Lyn from Fire Emblem, Isaac from Golden Sun, Lloyd from Tales of Symphonia and for the hell of it, Bayonetta.

I'd love to see K. Rool. We need one more big guy.

[CyberCubed]

Nobody at Nintendo or Retro seems to like King K. Rool, otherwise he would have been in the newer DKC games. I think he was last in the Mario Baseball game for Wii, but I never played it.

Dixie Kong is probably the most likely character they would use if they decide to bring in any new DK character at all.

Little Mac is another highly likely character, I'm surprised they didn't just confirm him yet.

It's possible we'll see Lady Palutena from Kid Icarus if only because Sakurai worked on the game for 3DS, and it adds another female character.

[Mr. J]

http://www.smashbros.com/images/character/dedede/main.png

WOOO MOTHERFRICKIN HOO!
King Dedede Returns.

[Ninjinister]

I'm glad for that. I loved using Dedede in Brawl.

[CyberCubed]

It's rather obvious the majority of Brawl's roster will return in the new Smash, especially those with unique movesets.

The only characters I can see them axing is Lucario so he can be replaced by a new pokemon, and maaaybe Snake if Konami doesn't give them the OK to use him again for whatever reason.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

If I could request for any third-party character not already being represented, it would be Pac-Man. Especially since he's on a roll lately.

[Ninjinister]

So if you could choose one totally off-the-wall Nintendo character that has literally no chance to be in, but you WANT to be in, who would it be?

For me, it would be Stanley the Bugman, Donkey Kong's first non-Mario nemesis.

[CyberCubed]

Dog from Dunk Hunt. He would be holding two dead ducks by the neck and fight with them by swinging them at you. He'd also have the NES Zapper as a special attack.

[Powder]

So if you could choose one totally off-the-wall Nintendo character that has literally no chance to be in, but you WANT to be in, who would it be?

For me, it would be Stanley the Bugman, Donkey Kong's first non-Mario nemesis.

I don't suppose they're too crazy but I'd love to see Wart or Mouser.

[Peanut]

Captain Rainbow. I was going to say Wanda, but she'd make a much better assist trophy.

[Cure]

Smithyyyy.

[Memphis]

My most wanted new characters were Little Mac and K. Rool. I'd be fine just getting Mac though.

[Ninjinister]

Waluigi's an Assist Trophy again :(

We all knew it was going to happen, but it's still disappointing.

[Memphis]

I agree. I don't care what anyone says, I think he's an awesome character. He could have been like a collage of all the Mario spin offs. He would have been glorious.

[Peanut]

Waluigi is the best worst character ever created. Just another example of how Nintendo doesn't take advantage of potentially awesome things. Can you imagine a Superstar Saga style RPG featuring Wario and Waluigi? There's so much they can do with that weird creep of a character. I would die of happiness.

[Donatello19]

Can you imagine a Superstar Saga style RPG featuring Wario and Waluigi?

Dude, that needs to be made. Like, now.

[TMNT_Guy]

Waluigi is the best worst character ever created. Just another example of how Nintendo doesn't take advantage of potentially awesome things.
Oh, I know! This is why I wish the Mario cast were treated as characters, rather than tools to make a video game with. Here’s hoping Yoshiaki Koizumi is given more creative freedom in the future.

Has anyone seen the intro movies for Mario Power Tennis and Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour? Waluigi and Wario were awesome in those.

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[CyberCubed]

It's hard to believe Waluigi has been around for 14 years now. His first game was Mario Tennis on N64 back in 2000.

14 years later and he's only ever appeared in Mario Kart, sports, and party games.

[TMNT_Guy]

So a recent article at Legends of Localization was posted, the topic?

What does Japan think of Little Mac in Smash Bros? (http://legendsoflocalization.com/what-does-japan-think-of-little-mac-in-smash-bros/)

Although some of the responses were positive, the reception is mostly negative, due to the fact Punch Out! has never been popular in Japan. Some of the comments include:


I’m not as mad as I am dumbfounded. These character choices are such a joke

Are they even taking these character rosters seriously?

Sorry, but who is this?

I’m sorry, who is this again?

Who is this?

Looks fun to play as! ….But who is this?

I was hoping they’d announce Diddy and Dixie!


I was surprised at this, I’ve always assumed that all of Nintendo’s franchises were loved in its homeland. I guess I shouldn’t be all that surprised since Sonic the Hedgehog is another game series created by the Japanese that has never been popular in its own country.

This got me wondering; what other Nintendo franchises aren’t popular in Japan? Well, according to TV Tropes (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff/VideoGames), among the list includes The Legend of Zelda, Metroid, and Castlevania. Not Nintendo related, but the much critically loved Jak and Daxter series did terribly in Japan, so much so that the third game was never released in Japan. I can definitely get behind Japan on that one; Daxter is the most annoying video game character in existence.

So, what Kind of characters DO the Japanese want in Smash Bros?


Paper Mario
Nick / Captain Rainbow
Monster Hunter
Lucina
Dixie
Daisy
Waluigi
Shulk


Dixie, Daisy and Waluigi? Yes please! I’d probably want Captain Rainbow too if Nintendo would have released the game outside Japan.

Unrelated, but apparently the Angry Video Game Nerd and the Nostalgia Critic are popular in Japan, too. Huh.

[CyberCubed]

Wow, are Japanese fans really as whiny as western fans? I didn't know the Japanese complain about characters and games like western fans. I always assumed the Japanese accepted things more easily, but I guess this is a myth.

Those translated posts (especially more when you check the link) feel like whiny lines you'd find on IGN or Neogaf.

[TMNT_Guy]

Eh, well, look at those comments again, the most negative comment is "I’m not as mad as I am dumbfounded. These character choices are such a joke." Notice that there is no name calling or hateful remarks to Nintendo themselves. They aren't being "whiny", just confused by this strange character they've never seen before. Who is he? Why is he in Smash Bros?

For example, imagine if Katsini was announced as a playable character:
http://www.mariowiki.com/images/2/23/KatsiniWoods.gif

What kind of comments would you see around IGN or NeoGAF if this happened? A large group of people would at the very least be confused as to who this character is and baffled as to why Nintendo would include him into Smash Bros. A bit of an extreme example, but it's the only really obscure Nintendo character I could think of.

So, back on topic, what does everyone think about Japan's character wishlist? I'd love to see Princess Daisy, Waluigi and especially Dixie Kong in Smash Bros. I've never played Xenoblade, Fire Emblem, Monster Hunter and Captain Rainbow so I don't know anything about them.

I wasn't sure about Paper Mario, but it would be cool if they give him a completely different move set from normal Mario. If they gave him attacks based on his Paper "curses" from The Thousand Year Door it might be cool. Like his UP B move could turn him into a paper airplane to glide back on to the stage.

[Ninjinister]

I always love when the more obscure characters end up showing up in things. Granted, I'd rather them get the basics out of the way first, you know, the ones that everyone expects.

Little Mac, at least on this side of the Pacific, was one of those ones that seemed like a shoo-in years ago. Everyone remembers Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!, if not the sequels. I guess this explains why we never saw him as playable before.

To be fair, though, Japan, a good number of characters in Melee and Brawl were completely unheard of by all but the most hardcore Nintendo nerds over here. Hell, when Smash 1 came out, literally nobody I knew had played Earthbound, so everyone was like "Who the f*** is Ness?" You can stomach Little Mac.

[CyberCubed]

Most people didn't know who Ness, Marth, Roy or the Ice Climbers were when the first two Smash's came out. Fire Emblem hadn't come out in the states yet, Ice Climbers was an obscure NES game few knew about, and Earthbound was also a rather niche game.

Looking back the roster for Melee had some weird choices. I'm surprised more well known characters like Diddy and Wario weren't added back then over say Ice Climbers and Mr. Game and Watch.

[Peanut]

Japan, we've endured characters from games that have never even come OUT here! You can deal with a slightly more obscure character that's beloved on the other side of the world.

[sdp]

I see it as the equivalent that you'll find bad posts anywhere, it doesn't speak for the genera consensus. Not saying it isn't but just throwing it out there.

Waluigi was actually the final boss in DDR Mario Mix, sure it's a spin-off game but so is Mario Land 2, anyway yeah Waluigi is definitely underused, having him in a warioware game would be good. hell most of the mario cast is underused, I don't see why they don't bring back Wart or Wario/Waluigi as villains in one game, not even a main mario game but an RPG or something. So many lost opportunities.

[Nameless]

Waluigi, Ya, YA ,YA...

lol it would be very cool to see him in the game... even if they just made him a Wario skin like they did with princess Daisy and peach.

[TMNT_Guy]

Heres a couple of cute videos I found; Mario and Luigi react to the announcement of Mega Man and Rosalina.

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[Nameless]

Heres a couple of cute videos I found; Mario and Luigi react to the announcement of Mega Man and Rosalina.


so those were interesting... lol actually mega man one was kinda funny when they complained he was broken or thought he was Waluigi.

[CyberCubed]

so Samus' boobs got an upgrade this gen:

http://i.imgur.com/cIsz23F.jpg

Her proportions look off in this game, she feels like a Dead or Alive character now. I don't know why Sakurai gave her such a huge chest, you can see the other shots on the website.

Gredinja is an interesting choice for a playable pokemon in other news.

[Peanut]

And who likes ZSS for tits? Seriously.

Also, unless they've spun Charizard out into his own character to make room for new pkmn it looks like Pokemon Trainer is gone.

PS Villager FS is incredible!

[sdp]

Well PKMN Trainer was confirmed to not be in it when they said they wouldn't have any more "changing" characters. I don't know, I like more playable Pokemon but sad to see an interesting character like PKMN Trainer go, they could've changed his Pokemon around not to mention gave the "trainer" a way to be playable in a way. I"m not too crazy with Shiek being a character, she's a character in 1 Zelda game, I thought she was only added to give Zelda more of a fighting moveset, but I don't like Shiek enough to take a character spot. I also don't like Zero Suit Samus being a stand alone character, while I didn't like Samus transforming into the Zero suit either.

I also don't like the idea of the 3DS version having all the characters of the Wii U version, that pretty much means there won't be any new characters to discover when the Wii U version is released. And I'll go ahead and complain again about Link/Zelda using their TP designs, I sometimes feel like the game relies too much on Brawl as base.

[Ninjinister]

so Samus' boobs got an upgrade this gen:

http://i.imgur.com/cIsz23F.jpg

Her proportions look off in this game, she feels like a Dead or Alive character now. I don't know why Sakurai gave her such a huge chest, you can see the other shots on the website.

Gredinja is an interesting choice for a playable pokemon in other news.

Well PKMN Trainer was confirmed to not be in it when they said they wouldn't have any more "changing" characters. I don't know, I like more playable Pokemon but sad to see an interesting character like PKMN Trainer go, they could've changed his Pokemon around not to mention gave the "trainer" a way to be playable in a way. I"m not too crazy with Shiek being a character, she's a character in 1 Zelda game, I thought she was only added to give Zelda more of a fighting moveset, but I don't like Shiek enough to take a character spot. I also don't like Zero Suit Samus being a stand alone character, while I didn't like Samus transforming into the Zero suit either.

I also don't like the idea of the 3DS version having all the characters of the Wii U version, that pretty much means there won't be any new characters to discover when the Wii U version is released. And I'll go ahead and complain again about Link/Zelda using their TP designs, I sometimes feel like the game relies too much on Brawl as base.

Why am I still so surprised at the ridiculously banal things I find people will bitch about?

[LivingMutagen]

Why am I still so surprised at the ridiculously banal things I find people will bitch about?

I agree. Sakurai's doing this for the people who played as Shiek and Zero Suit Samus and for balance and competitive play.

Anyway, loving the Final Smashes. Mega Man's is basically a big F**K YOU to Capcom. Tom Nook builds a bomb house. Loving Zero Suit Samus' redesign. Greninja yay! Charizard and then MEGA Charizard. Yay! I can't wait for these games to come out.

[Zachatello00]

Samus' redesign is a welcome change to what I look back and see is somewhat...bland. As far as the "DOA" chest, I could take it or leave it. It's not as important to me as it seems to be to others.

Did I hear him say there would be no more "clones" of other characters? That would mean that say, Luigi wouldn't have the same move-set as Mario? That would be really cool. I know a lot of folks complained in the past that Falco was just a clone of Fox, and Gandondorf was a clone of Capt. Falcon, and several other examples.

I think I'd be okay with the idea of having fewer characters in it if it meant that the characters we do have are more well-rounded, fully realized characters with their own specific move-sets and characteristics.

I'm really excited to see how Little Mac's mechanics work. Looks like a lot of care went into crafting the character for Smash.

[Peanut]

Why am I still so surprised at the ridiculously banal things I find people will bitch about?

Lol Nintendo games, man.

[TheBlueTurtle1]

It's coming along nicely, I like Shiek being her own character, still got my fingers crossed for a new DK character, ie Dixie or K rool.

[Zachatello00]

k-Rool could be a cool new addition.

I forgot to mention, I'm shocked to learn I've been pronouncing "Arceus" wrong for the last 5 years.

[Peanut]

No characters in franchises already represented plz.

[LivingMutagen]

No characters in franchises already represented plz.

Rosalina and Greninja say hi

[Peanut]

No sh*t. I mean going forward.

[CyberCubed]

Toon Link appears to still be a clone. If you pay attention to him fighting in the videos yesterday his moves were exactly the same. I hope they change something about him.

I also hope Ganondorf finally gets a unique moveset.

[Ninjinister]

So since there's Namco-related items in the game (S-Flag from Rally X and a ton of other games, Galaga ships), is that further evidence that there's a Namco rep in the game?

(My hopes: Since quite a few characters were announced in tandem with specific dates, Pac-Man will be confirmed on May 22 - Pac's 35th anniversary)

[Cure]

If it had to be anyone, I would like Pac-Man. Not someone dumb like...some Tales character.

[Peanut]

I think Pac-Man is the obvious choice, but they do have a lot of interesting characters they could use, even if they're just assist trophies. If there's no King of All Cosmos AT that randomly floats around the screen dealing damage with floating words I'm gonna lose it!

Seriously though, outside of Pac-Man I could see some Dig-Dug, Tales or Tekken characters. Not that I'd be all that interested in them. Didn't Namco also make the Baiten Kaitos games? That could be a thing, right? LOL

[Cure]

People need to get over MewTwo.

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[CyberCubed]

I've seen people make some pretty compelling arguments about Ridley and Mewtwo being playable this time around, I wonder if it will happen. Sakurai was trolling in the Nintendo Direct (flat out saying Zero Suit Samus wouldn't return...and then 5 seconds later saying, "just kidding") and so forth.

It's possible there is the Other M Ridley as the level boss, while the "real" Ridley is playable.

Remember the Ridley in Other M was a clone, and then the Ridley in Fusion was an SA-X clone as well, so there are multiple Ridley's. In addition to a few robot ones, let alone the ones from Prime where he keeps coming back to life somehow as Meta and Omega Ridley.

As for Mewtwo the Mega-Evolutions are being advertised and Mewtwo got two of them, and he's being advertised in the franchise again. I doubt Ivysaur and Squirtle are returning as standalone characters so I think Mewtwo will instead.

[LivingMutagen]

No sh*t. I mean going forward.

Well, you should have said that. You weren't very clear. And I'm pretty sure we'll get new Fire Emblem and Kid Icarus characters, so yeah.

I've seen people make some pretty compelling arguments about Ridley and Mewtwo being playable this time around, I wonder if it will happen. Sakurai was trolling in the Nintendo Direct (flat out saying Zero Suit Samus wouldn't return...and then 5 seconds later saying, "just kidding") and so forth.

It's possible there is the Other M Ridley as the level boss, while the "real" Ridley is playable.

Remember the Ridley in Other M was a clone, and then the Ridley in Fusion was an SA-X clone as well, so there are multiple Ridley's. In addition to a few robot ones, let alone the ones from Prime where he keeps coming back to life somehow as Meta and Omega Ridley.

As for Mewtwo the Mega-Evolutions are being advertised and Mewtwo got two of them, and he's being advertised in the franchise again. I doubt Ivysaur and Squirtle are returning as standalone characters so I think Mewtwo will instead.

I'm pretty certain we're not getting Mewtwo. 5 Pokemon characters are enough (Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Charizard, Lucario and Greninja). We don't want Pokemon dominating the roster.

[CyberCubed]

I'm pretty certain we're not getting Mewtwo. 5 Pokemon characters are enough (Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Charizard, Lucario and Greninja). We don't want Pokemon dominating the roster.

Brawl had 6 Pokemon characters. I really don't see the problem as it's Nintendo's second best selling franchise after Mario.

Sakurai doesn't seem to care for the Zelda franchise much, as it looks like we're not getting a new Zelda character this game either and we haven't had any new ones since Melee. Also if Ganondorf is still a Captain Falcon clone for the third game in a row that's pretty sad.

[LivingMutagen]

Brawl had 6 Pokemon characters. I really don't see the problem as it's Nintendo's second best selling franchise after Mario.

Sakurai doesn't seem to care for the Zelda franchise much, as it looks like we're not getting a new Zelda character this game either and we haven't had any new ones since Melee. Also if Ganondorf is still a Captain Falcon clone for the third game in a row that's pretty sad.

Brawl had 6 characters that took 4 slots. Not the same as 6 characters who take up six slots.

And yeah, we probably won't get a Zelda newcomer, but if Ganondorf does come back then he probably will have a new moveset (hopefully) as there's only one clone character at the moment is Toon Link, and that's to give people a choice whether they would like a more 'realistic' Link or a more cartoony version. So I do agree with you on that part.

[sdp]

I really want Mewtwo back, he's one of my favorite Pokemon. The problem with having Mewtwo is not having too many Pokemon, I think like Mario, Pokemon has plenty of characters that are iconic and fit the game nicely. The problem is there's too many Gen 1 Pokemon, Pikachu/Charizard and if Jigglypuff/Mewtwo come back then you have 4 Gen 1 Pokemon, and as much as I like Gen 1, Id like more variety/better representation. It'd be weird not having Jigglypuff since he's one of the original 12 but I guess he could go. While Charizard being a single character is cool in my book, I don't like the idea of no "PKMN Trainer"/Changing character, he could've represented 3 Pokemon at a time and technically you control the "trainer" which made it feel a little different. Still not a fan of no changing characters.


The problem with Zelda getting another representative(though technically it is since they're separating Zelda/Shiek) is that besides non fighting NPCs there aren't any characters that appear in more than one game. With Smash they try to find something that represents the history of the franchise and not specifically only a one off character (save for a hero like in Fire Emblem). That's why I'd actually like to see Ganon instead of Ganondorf, Ganon has been a villain in more games, hell he could be a Bowser clone somehow, I'd be ok with that. Has Sakurai said why he didn't use SS Link? I guess SS Zelda didn't look like a warrior though they could've still taken liberties like with Zero Suit Samus, not like Peach looks very warrior like either.

Why am I still so surprised at the ridiculously banal things I find people will bitch about?

I fail to see how they don't warrant any merit, but whatever.

[CyberCubed]

Brawl had 6 characters that took 4 slots. Not the same as 6 characters who take up six slots.

I'm not seeing what this has to do with anything. He created 6 individual movesets and character balancing for 6 pokemon, that's what matters. Not how many "slots" on the character select screen there are.

Likewise I'm sure Squirtle and Ivysaur are gone, so Mewtwo returning would simply bring the roster back to 6. With both Lucario and Charizard having their Mega Evolutions, to not promote Mewtwo and his TWO Mega Evolutions would be bizarre.

And yeah, we probably won't get a Zelda newcomer, but if Ganondorf does come back then he probably will have a new moveset (hopefully) as there's only one clone character at the moment is Toon Link, and that's to give people a choice whether they would like a more 'realistic' Link or a more cartoony version. So I do agree with you on that part.

I'm kinda hoping Ganondorf gets a character skin to make him look like Demise at least. I'm hoping for costumes all characters in the game.

[Peanut]

Brawl had 6 characters that took 4 slots. Not the same as 6 characters who take up six slots.

1) Don't argue semantics with CyberCubed.
2) Slots are meaningless.

[Memphis]

Mewtwo is probably my most wanted character at this point. I thought he was incredibly unique in Melee since he did everything psychically. Not to mention his up throw is the greatest thing ever.

[Ninjinister]

I feel like Sakurai would generate a lot of hype by returning at least one of those that were left out following Melee. Dr. Mario seems super unlikely, and with Toon Link I don't think we'll see the standard Young Link again. Pichu is also unlikely even though I'd personally like to see it return, even if it's a modification (like the Pichu Bros. as an Ice Climber-esque duo, or Spike-Eared Pichu with her kung fu moves).

That leaves Mewtwo and Roy as the most likely candidates. However, there's a very strong rumor that the other Fire Emblem rep will be from the newest one, which will continue a seeming trend of the Smash games having Marth plus one rotating representative.

Oddly enough though, Roy did technically debut in Melee, as he was inserted to promote a game which hadn't released yet at that point. If any non-Marth Fire Emblem combatant had a shot at returning at any point in the series, it'd be him.

[Peanut]

I think Chrom is a shoe-in to represent. He's the face of Awakening and with Ike not announced, I could see your theory being true, Ninji. Although, I'd really like to see Ike come back and Chrom be a new rep. I really liked Ike in Brawl. He was probably my second most played character next to Lucas.

[Cure]

I remember reading somewhere that people wanted the new Fire Emblem character to be Tharja because of tittayz.

[Ninjinister]

I think Chrom is a shoe-in to represent. He's the face of Awakening and with Ike not announced, I could see your theory being true, Ninji. Although, I'd really like to see Ike come back and Chrom be a new rep. I really liked Ike in Brawl. He was probably my second most played character next to Lucas.

Well, you got your wish, at least partially so far. Ike's in.

[CyberCubed]

Good to see Ike, I guess everyone from Brawl will return except Squirtle, ivysaur and maybe Snake.

[Ninjinister]

Good to see Ike, I guess everyone from Brawl will return except Squirtle, ivysaur and maybe Snake.

Sakurai had said at one point that Smash 2014 will have less characters than Brawl, but to be perfectly honest, I'm not sure if that'll actually happen.

[CyberCubed]

It can't have less, actual important characters like Wario, Meta Knight, Game and Watch, Captain Falcon and others haven't been revealed yet and I'm sure there's at least 5 more newcomers.

I can't see Sakurai cutting characters for no reason. Otherwise I'm sure Ike would have been replaced as well as Lucario, since they're not exactly mascot characters that needed to return.

Other than Squirtle, Ivysaur and possibly Snake, I think everyone else will return.

[NoName999]

Sakurai had said at one point that Smash 2014 will have less characters than Brawl, but to be perfectly honest, I'm not sure if that'll actually happen.

Yeah he never said that

[sdp]

Many of the reveals including this one make me feel like they just took Brawl and went from there and for that reason it's almost effortless to make any Brawl character playable and they might as well be. No reason Ike should be there when we have newer Lords of FE games. It just rubs me the wrong way.

[CyberCubed]

Many of the reveals including this one make me feel like they just took Brawl and went from there and for that reason it's almost effortless to make any Brawl character playable and they might as well be. g way.

They did. If you look at the animations for some of the assist trophies like Samurai Goroh or Waluigi they're exactly the same as they were in Brawl.

[Peanut]

What doesn't rub you the wrong way, sdp? Seriously. I can hardly tell the difference between you or Cybercubed anymore.

[sdp]

Yikes, hope I'm not repeating myself too much. This game just seems like they wanted to put it out as quick as possible and just using Brawl as a base. I expect more from a sequel to a game that came out around 5 years. Especially since I've been hyped for this game when it was first announced by Iwata. I think development didn't start until a year after the first announcement but that's Nintendo's fault for hyping a game up a year before they started on it. Other decisions like the 3DS version being extremely similar and coming out months before kills a lot of hype too. I'm sure I'll love the game but this was a franchise that every small announcement used to hype me a lot. I've seen similar opinions from others around the web so it's not just me being older and more jaded.

[CyberCubed]

They're not making a story mode this time, so that will obviously cut a lot of development time.

They wasted too much time on the Subspace Emmissary in Brawl. As much as I enjoyed the cutscenes the development of it clearly took a toll on the roster.

[Shiro Kame]

Think they might have Travis from No More Heroes in it? In a Nintendo Power article that I read, they wanted them to appear in the next Super Smash Bros. if I'm correct. I mean, Sonic and Snake appeared in the last one.

[The Stryker]

Think they might have Travis from No More Heroes in it? In a Nintendo Power article that I read, they wanted them to appear in the next Super Smash Bros. if I'm correct. I mean, Sonic and Snake appeared in the last one.

Well...I mean they could.

If they wanted to go down the lame and sh*tty road.

[sdp]

Yeah, The "people put stuff on youtube" BS excuse makes no sense, in that case no game should have FMV? The real reason is development time and the fact that fans bashed the Subspace.

I never understood what people expected from Subspace, I got exactly what I expected, did people actually think it'd have a full game that had a different engine? I expected a beat em up with the smash engine and got it. I was actually disappointed with the Melee adventure mode because I expected something bigger along the likes of the subspace. Also people bashed online on Brawl but the first 6 months I used to play all the freaking time and never had any problem playing with friends or random matches. I loved Brawl and it gave me exactly what I wanted, I think the dojo set up most people to be disappointed though. I miss it though, this miiverse picture a day thing is lame compared to the epic japan time dojo reveals which made even ****** reveals hilariously worth it for the aftermath.

Think they might have Travis from No More Heroes in it? In a Nintendo Power article that I read, they wanted them to appear in the next Super Smash Bros. if I'm correct. I mean, Sonic and Snake appeared in the last one.

No one knows who Travis is, only way he'd have any chance of appearing is if the game had actually been a hit and remained exclusive, as it stands it's a surprise it even got a sequel after the abysmal sales and the sequel sold even worse. I remembering following that game and it looked interesting but it was not polished enough and needed more marketing/audience. But now it's a forgotten niche franchise with 0 value. I'm sure they wanted Travis to be in the game as I'm sure almost every company wants their character in the game that doesn't mean they'll get to be there. Smash Bros. is a flagship title for Nintendo as big or bigger than Mario/Zelda so of course they want the exposure. Sonic was Mario's mascot rival so it made sense. Mega Man is also a gaming icon. Kojima wanted Snake in Smash and Nintendo probably added him to have a "hardcore gamer" character and the shock more than anything. For third party characters the only one that makes sense to be added is Pac-Man since he is technically the first gaming icon.

[CyberCubed]

The only other third party character likely to get in is Pac-Man, they're likely saving his reveal for E3.

I do really hope Snake returns though. I wonder if they'll still have David Hayter voice him since he was extremely bitter about not being in MGSV. I suppose they can just re-use the Brawl sound clips though if they wanted.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

The only other third party character likely to get in is Pac-Man, they're likely saving his reveal for E3.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed. It'd be the right time since 1) Namco is working on the game and 2) Pac-Man has a new cartoon airing.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

can not wait for these games...have had my preorders at GS since annouced

[Sewer Sirens Podcast]

Am I going to have to buy a Wii U or 3DS to play this? :ohwell::cry:

The previous two are close to my heart, and I really want to play this one, so ... I may have to.

[Allio]

Am I going to have to buy a Wii U or 3DS to play this? :ohwell::cry:



*looks at title of each game version

maybe

[Cure]

N9ytrX0wweA

Yay.

[Ninjinister]

Yeah so um... hum. Having not played anything in that series before, I have no idea who those two are.

[Peanut]

They're all from Awakening. I was expecting to get MAYBE either Chrom or Lucinia, but to get them and ALSO the player character? That's totally out of left field.

[Netkeeper]

Interesting, though! I don't play FE, so I don't know anything about these characters, but they look fun regardless.

EDIT:
http://38.media.tumblr.com/75023d7193319235c77df7388caf1f28/tumblr_n8pibdQlkP1rdchndo1_1280.png
Oh **** son, it's sick burn time.

[Ninjinister]

They're all from Awakening. I was expecting to get MAYBE either Chrom or Lucinia, but to get them and ALSO the player character? That's totally out of left field.

Chrom isn't playable, dawg.

[Peanut]

Right. I was watching it at work on the sly, so I didn't pay full attention. Just saw him cutting dudes up and assumed.

[Ninjinister]

Right. I was watching it at work on the sly, so I didn't pay full attention. Just saw him cutting dudes up and assumed.

Seems weird though, 'cause as far as I know he's the one that would have been a shoo-in for new FE rep.

[CyberCubed]

We don't need another blue haired sword user from Fire Emblem. It looks like Lucina might be a clone of Marth. Much like the gender flipped Robin's she might be an alt female Marth on the character select.

Fire emblem getting 4 characters while we're still waiting on Ridley, King K Rool or Dixie Kong, Mewtwo or another Zelda character is absurd.

[sdp]

I'm all for as many characters and I accept the criticism Pokemon gets for so many representatives but Fire Emblem getting so many is just too much. Especially so many Blue haired sword representatives. Having not played the games I guess it might be an ignorant statement but you gotta take a look at it from an outsiders perspetctive, at least the Pokemon all look different, I know Awakening sold very well but still this was a franchise about to get cancelled. I can see Lucina/Chrom (even if he wasn't announced) being alternate costumes for Marth and it makes more sense similar to Male WiiFit trainer and Animal Crossing, unless in the games they all play very differently in which case forget what I said. So Robin is the player character? That makes a good representative IMO, still sad Pokemon Player didn't get to be in this new version, since that is the player character. I'm pretty sure the only reason Ike is there is because this game re-used so much from Brawl that having Ike in probably didn't cost them any extra time so they might as well. But I guess in the end I'm kind of happy for an almost cancelled franchise to get this much exposure even if I would've rather had other characters in their spots. I love Advance Wars and I know FE is somewhat similar so I should really check it out, it's just the RPG parts that turned me off from it.

King K.Rool has kind of been forgotten in the revival so I doubt he'll even get a trophy in this game which is a shame, while I never thought he was a great character he's better than the villains of the past few Donkey Kong Games. Dixie and Ridley I'd be fine with. I think Pokemon can get away with another representative besides Jigglypuff, and I'd love Mewtwo but that's just too many Gen 1 representatives sadly. As far as Zelda representatives I guess Impa could become one right? I would also like to see Pig Ganon as a representative instead of Ganondorf.

Who haven't they revealed? I think Diddy, if he gets cut I'd be sad especially since DK's own franchise finally took off again. Falco being cut would be fine, but not wolf, while too similar to fox I really think at least the original 8 need their rivals in their games.

[Cure]

Who haven't they revealed? I think Diddy, if he gets cut I'd be sad especially since DK's own franchise finally took off again. Falco being cut would be fine, but not wolf, while too similar to fox I really think at least the original 8 need their rivals in their games.

Diddy was in the f*cking trailer.

[The Stryker]

Fire emblem getting 4 characters while we're still waiting on Ridley, King K Rool or Dixie Kong, Mewtwo or another Zelda character is absurd.

I'm sure as hell not waiting for Ridley. People need to get over that garbage already. He's a stage boss in this one. The end.

[Netkeeper]

Mewtwo
Don't remind me of how much I want him back. :(

[Ninjinister]

There is literally a 0% chance that Lucinia is a costume for Marth. If you think that, you haven't been paying attention.

[Peanut]

I think Cybercubed and sdp are brothers or some ****.

[Ninjinister]

Gotta say though, Nintendo certainly knows how to put on a show. I found the Palutena (who I don't care about) and FE newcomers (who I never heard of) exciting even though they weren't about announcing someone I'd like.

[CyberCubed]

The problem is Sakurai ignores highly requested characters like Ridley, King K. Rool or Dixie Kong, any new Zelda character and instead puts in his favorites.

If anyone else was in charge of Smash there's no way Donkey Kong would only have 2 playable characters and there would be a new Zelda character playable. Not to mention Ridley who people have been clamoring for since Melee.

If none of these characters make it in it'll be quite bizarre. Donkey Kong and Zelda deserve new characters, as does Metroid.

[Peanut]

The problem is people whine for sh*t for absolutely no reason. THOSE CHARACTERS ARE AWFUL AND/OR MAKE NO SENSE!!!

Dixie has ZERO abilities outside of her dumb f*cking hair, K. Rool has been reduced to a foot note and RIDLEY IS A GIANT MONSTER!

Shut the f*ck up about those characters already! You've been beating this autistic f*cking drum everytime they announce a new character. Just. Shut. Up.

[Netkeeper]

...I want Ridley in Smash, tho.

[TheBlueTurtle1]

I am really hoping we get a new DK rep, Dixie or K rool would be great. I still really want Balloon Fighter.

[CyberCubed]

The problem is people whine for sh*t for absolutely no reason. THOSE CHARACTERS ARE AWFUL AND/OR MAKE NO SENSE!!!

Dixie has ZERO abilities outside of her dumb f*cking hair, K. Rool has been reduced to a foot note and RIDLEY IS A GIANT MONSTER!
.

These are the most requested characters virtually anywhere. IGN, Neogaf, Gamefaqs, Kotaku, Smashbros forums, any Nintendo forum, etc. I visit them all and the opinions are the same on each.

Ridley is hands down the most wanted character in Smash Bros. And as for Donkey Kong people have always wanted a third rep, and either Dixie or King K. Rool make obvious choices. If Fire Emblem can get 4 playable characters it is absurd that Donkey Kong only gets two, especially when you consider how much the Donkey Kong franchise as a whole has sold.

I honestly cannot think of any other characters as highly requested as these. People also want another Zelda character, but its not as high as those.

[Netkeeper]

Everybody knows Cranky Kong would be the best Donkey Kong rep for Smash Bros.

CRANKY KONG FOR SSB4!!!

[Candy Kappa]

Ridley as a playable character just sounds too iffy, he is huuge and flies for the most part. He'd fit better as a boss monster like Master Hand.

[Peanut]

These are the most requested characters virtually anywhere. IGN, Neogaf, Gamefaqs, Kotaku, Smashbros forums, any Nintendo forum, etc. I visit them all and the opinions are the same on each.

Ridley is hands down the most wanted character in Smash Bros. And as for Donkey Kong people have always wanted a third rep, and either Dixie or King K. Rool make obvious choices. If Fire Emblem can get 4 playable characters it is absurd that Donkey Kong only gets two, especially when you consider how much the Donkey Kong franchise as a whole has sold.

I honestly cannot think of any other characters as highly requested as these. People also want another Zelda character, but its not as high as those.

Just because people want them doesn't mean that they're good or interesting choices. At ALL. If the "most wanted" characters were the ones who got in the roster would consist of Shadow and Goku.

Also, incredibly telling that you visit all of those places.

[Ninjinister]

Just because people want them doesn't mean that they're good or interesting choices. At ALL. If the "most wanted" characters were the ones who got in the roster would consist of Shadow and Goku.

Also, incredibly telling that you visit all of those places.

I had a look at the Smash Miiverse once. Shadow the Hedgehog and Goku were literally the only requests that had more than two people requesting them. And they all had several thousand "Yeah!"s

Of course I'm convinced that Miiverse is almost entirely little kids and adults without higher cognitive functions.

[CyberCubed]

Ridley as a playable character just sounds too iffy, he is huuge and flies for the most part. He'd fit better as a boss monster like Master Hand.

Ridley can be made the same size as Charizard. None of the characters in Smash are to scale. Pikachu is almost the same size as a human in Smash, in the games/anime Pikachu is barely a foot tall. Olimar is the size of a quarter in the Pikmin universe.

As for me, I do think Ridley and Dixie Kong are the most likely newcomers. While I would like to see King K. Rool, his lack of appearances in the new games hurts his chances.

I'd also be really surprised if we don't get any new Zelda character, since we didn't get one back in Brawl. Although given Sakurai apparently has a bias against the Zelda franchise it wouldn't surprise me if we don't.

[Cure]

Hyrule Warriors has proven every Zelda character besides the main three is dumb. You want that dumb bug bitch from Twilight Princess?

[Peanut]

WHAT ZELDA CHARACTER!? Hyrule Warriors is proving there ARE NONE THAT MATTER! They broke Zelda and Sheik into two different characters now. Isn't that good enough!?

[CyberCubed]

Impa or a villain would be the most likely. Even pig Ganon in his 2D look (like from A Link to the Past or A Link Between Worlds), as a playable character would be good. The final Smash of Twilight Princess Ganon should be removed.

[Netkeeper]

When people say "another Zelda character" the only one that ever comes to mind is Wolf Link tbh. [But I say this as somebody only passingly familiar with the franchise as I am legendarily bad at LoZ games.]

Or I've been playing too much UMVC3 and really like how Amaterasu handles.

[Ninjinister]

WHAT ZELDA CHARACTER!? Hyrule Warriors is proving there ARE NONE THAT MATTER! They broke Zelda and Sheik into two different characters now. Isn't that good enough!?

Y'idunno man, those Hyrule Warriors character trailers are gettin' me warm. Again, like the Smash trailers, I don't even know anybody who's playable outside of Link, Zelda, and Midna, and I'm still excited as hell. Heck, I actually thought they made up Impa for this game - and then I thought she was a dude - 'cause I'd never seen her before.

But still, I can't imagine anyone outside of the Triforce Trinity being in Smash.

[Peanut]

Oh, I'm totally in on Hyrule Warriors. I've become a convert to the TecmoKoei Muso games that are based on things I actually like. I've had no end of enjoyment from the One Piece Pirate Warriors series, because it's pure fan service, it's completely over the top and it's relaxing to beat the **** out of thousands of dudes. And because of that I totally want to play Hyrule Warriors.

But, what does f*cking Agitha mean to Zelda...I mean, f*cking seriously?

[raph27]

I had a look at the Smash Miiverse once. Shadow the Hedgehog and Goku were literally the only requests that had more than two people requesting them. And they all had several thousand "Yeah!"s

Of course I'm convinced that Miiverse is almost entirely little kids and adults without higher cognitive functions.
You just realized that now? :lol:
http://uproxx.com/gammasquad/2014/02/bad-miiverse-posts-hilarious-creepy-cringeworthy-equal-measure/#page/1

[sdp]

The Zelda franchise has enough interesting relevant one off characters for Hyrule Warriors to use, that's why I'm dumbfounded of the choices they're making counting they have free reign and it's not being held back by continuity, hell make new characters based on different species of the Zelda Universe.

Miiverse isn't that bad, I had no interest in it in the beginning but it's definitely given me a few laughs and some of the ideas of Miiverse are excellent, it's just needs better implementation, it doesn't know if it wants to be a forum or twitter. A few times I've used it I either get exactly what I wanted or some stupid comment, but that's partly because of the majority of kids, if there was a way to filter that it would be good. I'm sure I would've loved it as a kid though.

As far as Smash goes we don't have to wait a lot since CoroCoro will reveal the whole roster in a month for the 3DS version which the Wii U does too. I kind of wish 3DS had had their own exclusive characters and more differences, would've made both versions more unique and appealing, I think I'll only get the Wii U version though.

[CyberCubed]

Since every single newcomer in the game has gotten a reveal trailer, I'm sure the remaining ones will get one too.

Corocoro will probably reveal some more obvious veterans that haven't been shown yet, like Ness, Ganondorf, MetaKnight, Wario, etc. but I doubt they'll reveal any totally new characters.

Smash really is winding down on all the most notable Nintendo characters that by the time the 5th game comes out they'll have to go for the really obscure ones. As long as Ridley, Dixie or King K. Rool, and another Zelda character makes it in...who is left really outside of more obscure NES or Japanese only characters?

[Ninjinister]

You just realized that now? :lol:
http://uproxx.com/gammasquad/2014/02/bad-miiverse-posts-hilarious-creepy-cringeworthy-equal-measure/#page/1

I never did say I just realized it.

[Peanut]

As long as Ridley, Dixie or King K. Rool, and another Zelda character makes it in...who is left really outside of more obscure NES or Japanese only characters?

Are you kidding? There are a ton more "known" characters they can put in. There are so few actually obscure Nintendo characters to most Nintendo fans. And the crazier they get the better. They don't even have a bunch of their franchises covered yet.

[CyberCubed]

Takamaru being an assist trophy makes me realize all these obscure characters people keep mentioning on forums will very unlikely ever be playable. Same with Isaac, Bowser Jr, Krystal, Vaati and all those other choices.

I do think Dixie kong is a sure fire bet because DK needs more than two characters and she started in her own game. Ridley has high demand and I suspect one Zelda newcomer is likely.

King K Rool is less likely but he would be fun to play as. If only Nintendo and Retro didn't exclude him from the last two games I would have said him being in Smash was a shoe in.

[Cure]

The 3 absolutes of life: Everyone dies, everyone pays taxes, Cybercubed will never change his tune.

[Peanut]

Dixie Kong's Moveset:
B - Smacks with hair
Up B - Spins into the air with her hair
Down B - Whips her hair around in a circle
Side B - Cartwheel (hair is involved)

King K. Rool Moveset:
B - Throws crown
Up B - Jumps up and down a bit
Down B - Makes cannonballs fall from the sky
Side B - Throws crown and goes "HUHUHUHUHU"




**** DONKEY KONG REPS THEY HAVE NO PERSONALITY AT ALL!

[Netkeeper]

Peanut, what is your damage with Donkey Kong? While I don't know anything about Dixie, K. Rool has tons of personality. And a good singing voice.
S86XCXalbSE
Look at all of that personality.

[Peanut]

Nothing. I love DK.

Also, let's forget that cartoon exists. Outside of the ballin' theme song, of course.

[Ninjinister]

I'll always remember the show for somehow slipping in the word "crappy" at a time when you couldn't do that on kids' shows. Never mind that this was on the same channel that censored "sucks" out of The Waterboy.

[Netkeeper]

No, never forget this show exists. It's the ****.

[The Stryker]

No, never forget this show exists. It's the ****.

The sad thing is you're probably not joking at all.

[Netkeeper]

Oh if you think it's sad that I enjoy such a fine piece of motion artwork, you are the one who is missing out.

[CyberCubed]

Dixie was not only in the best selling DK game of all time (Donkey Kong Country 2), she was also literally the star of her own game (Donkey Kong Country 3).

She disappeared for a while since she wasn't in DK64, Jungle Beat, or Donkey Kong Country Returns on Wii....but with her comeback in Tropical Freeze its perfect.

Dixie Kong is actually one of the last big Nintendo mascots from the 90's that isn't playable in Smash. And since Sakurai also likes adding more females to the roster, it also fits. She's far more likely than King K. Rool to be added anyway, since she might wind up being a semi-clone to Diddy like what Falco/Wolf are to Fox.

[Peanut]

I hope Dixie is in just so you'll stop talking about it.

[Peanut]

Is it weird that instead of desperately wanting some character to be confirmed as playable I'm instead desperately hoping this whole "Rayman is playable" business gets shut the f*ck down instead?

I've never felt a character was an awful fit to Smash more than a c-list third party character from a company who has actively sh*t on Nintendo publicly in the last year.

[Netkeeper]

I think Rayman would be a good fit for Smash, especially stylistically, but yeah, I don't think it sounds like a good idea for this instalment. Maybe the next one.

[Peanut]

No, he wouldn't. He isn't a Nintendo character and he isn't iconic. He belongs in Playstation All-Stars, not Smash.

[Ninjinister]

We're not getting Rayman because we're getting three Rabbids.

[sdp]

At this point I'm all speculated out, I'm already satisfied with all the new comers, whatever isn't announced doesn't bother me anymore and I can wait for another wishlist for the next Smash in the next console.

As far as Rayman? At first I was mad he was even a trophy, I just hate his design, but if you think about it even if I don't care about Ubisoft much they have tried to keep Rayman relevant and he is what one of the last "mascots" that have been created? Even if he was created in the 90s I still consider him a post "mascot" character. But yeah Bomberman, Crash and other second tier mascots deserve a spot before him. I just kind of hope future Smash games include Sonic and Pac-Man. I could do without any other third party character if we have them, they represent gaming icons/mascots of two eras and fit so well.

We're not getting Rayman because we're getting three Rabbids.

:lol::lol::lol:

Taking three character slots, and one of the rabbids has a Rayman mask.

[Ninjinister]

But yeah Bomberman, Crash and other second tier mascots deserve a spot before him.

Why the ass-crap would Smash get Crash? o.O

[Electric]

sorry, kinda late to this thread, but has anyone heard anything about ness yet?

[Netkeeper]

No, he wouldn't. He isn't a Nintendo character and he isn't iconic. He belongs in Playstation All-Stars, not Smash.
He's a mascot character, I don't see how he isn't iconic. Most of the people playing Smash would probably recognise who he is. And you're forgetting the fact that stylistically, he fits in very well, and he doesn't fit in Playstation All-Stars for that reason. [For every other reason, yes.]
We're not getting Rayman because we're getting three Rabbids.
Haha, yes please.
Why the ass-crap would Smash get Crash? o.O
Reminds me of the days of Melee where I wished for Spyro the Dragon.

[sdp]

Why the ass-crap would Smash get Crash? o.O

It won't and I don't want him in Smash, I'm just saying Crash would be more relevant in Smash than Rayman, he was the iconic mascot made during the 3D era and rival to Mario/Sonic. Sure Crash has been irrelevant after his PS1 days but you could argue the same for Sonic.

[Peanut]

He's a mascot character, I don't see how he isn't iconic. Most of the people playing Smash would probably recognise who he is. And you're forgetting the fact that stylistically, he fits in very well, and he doesn't fit in Playstation All-Stars for that reason. [For every other reason, yes.]

Reminds me of the days of Melee where I wished for Spyro the Dragon.

No, you're incorrect. And that last sentence proves your opinion is null and void.

[Cure]

Spike from Ape Escape for Smash.

[Jester]

No...this guy!

http://www.jazz2online.com/newSpazImages/jazz.gif

[Ninjinister]

sorry, kinda late to this thread, but has anyone heard anything about ness yet?

If he's not on the site, then, no.

I'm almost 100% sure they're going to keep the entire original roster, though. They haven't ever dropped a single playable character from the first game.

[Netkeeper]

No, you're incorrect. And that last sentence proves your opinion is null and void.
Ah yes, my first opinion is incorrect, and my second one from when I was 10 absolutely proves without a shadow of a doubt that I'm not worth listening to.

I'm not saying Rayman IS going to be in any Smash game. I'm saying that the style of character FITS alongside things like Kirby, Pikachu, Fox, and Mario. He's cartoony. Smash is mostly full of cartoony characters.