Biggest Aspect of Re-Invention of the 2014 Turtles?

[FellowChucker]

To me seems to be their size, and strength? Seems like they're being transformed from cute, shorter than April martial artists. To brute, hulking well over 6' turtles as described by viewers of the trailer. This bothers me the most. Especially the rumors of their proposed strength.

[plastroncafe]

The studios are banking that the often coveted Boy/Male market will flock to see male-gaze centric wish fulfillment on the screen.

[CyberCubed]

The studios are banking that the often coveted Boy/Male market will flock to see male-gaze centric wish fulfillment on the screen.

Well that's all Megan Fox is good for after all. If this movie was supposed to be about positive female role models maybe they should have chosen a female actress known for her talent rather than her boobs.

[samxsteal]

To me seems to be their size, and strength? Seems like they're being transformed from cute, shorter than April martial artists. To brute, hulking well over 6' turtles as described by viewers of the trailer. This bothers me the most. Especially the rumors of their proposed strength.

i think if done right it could work im mean really in 2007 they were larger sleeker but stil larger then most version, and as for strength i always assumed when i was younger that they were stronger if i remember correctly i remember them lifting a car. but how large is large i mean im 6'2 and i have a friend that 6'7 and if pretty fit, while big thats not humongous, know if that were 7'8" then yeah that be pretty tall but i doubt they are that big. i think if no right in the right setting it could very well work

[plastroncafe]

Well that's all Megan Fox is good for after all. If this movie was supposed to be about positive female role models maybe they should have chosen a female actress known for her talent rather than her boobs.

Michael Bay has never been interested in anything other than catering to the male gaze.

[samxsteal]

Michael Bay has never been interested in anything other than catering to the male gaze.

Well.....
HE did add Mark into the 4th one....

[plastroncafe]

Well.....
HE did add Mark into the 4th one....

That's not catering to the female gaze, that's adding another self-insert for dudes to want to be.

You want catering to the female gaze you've got to look towards the Thor and Captain America movies. Long, lingering, full body shots of men as objects of desire. That's what I'm talking about.

[samxsteal]

That's not catering to the female gaze, that's adding another self-insert for dudes to want to be.

You want catering to the female gaze you've got to look towards the Thor and Captain America movies. Long, lingering, full body shots of men as objects of desire. That's what I'm talking about.

Lol well true that true that, well maybe in this the turtles will take of their shells
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JK

[chrisdude]

To me seems to be their size, and strength? Seems like they're being transformed from cute, shorter than April martial artists. To brute, hulking well over 6' turtles as described by viewers of the trailer. This bothers me the most. Especially the rumors of their proposed strength.Megan Fox is a question mark. This version of Shredder is a question mark (He's sounding like Green Goblin). But this is the change I find most interesting and exciting. The things The Blue Door did with combat were glorious.

[graphic_content]

I like the idea of the turtles having some weight to them...I know they are supposed to be teenagers and all, but something about their build in the new Nick 'toon doesn't seem right to me. Its probably because my favorite iteration has been the 2k3 series; I like they presence they commanded with their size.

[TigerClaw]

And also the fact the Turtles have a hard shell on there back, I could see one of them getting hit and smashing through a wall causing a bit of structural damage.

[samxsteal]

Megan Fox is a question mark. This version of Shredder is a question mark (He's sounding like Green Goblin). But this is the change I find most interesting and exciting. The things The Blue Door did with combat were glorious.

Agreed, combat should be great.

[TrickOrTreater]

I like the idea of the turtles having some weight to them...I know they are supposed to be teenagers and all, but something about their build in the new Nick 'toon doesn't seem right to me. Its probably because my favorite iteration has been the 2k3 series; I like they presence they commanded with their size.

If you want to make them slightly bigger, fine.

But being over 6 feet tall and giving them the strength to flip a moving car over is horseshit.

[samxsteal]

And also the fact the Turtles have a hard shell on there back, I could see one of them getting hit and smashing through a wall causing a bit of structural damage.

this to It why the slamming into the Humvee doesn't seem that bad they have a shell why wouldn't they use them

[Bry]

i think if done right it could work im mean really in 2007 they were larger sleeker but stil larger then most version

http://s17.postimg.org/vp0z1inyn/tmntheight.jpg

They look pretty short to me. Shorter than April.

I mean, maybe they were slightly taller than usual, but they were still well under average "human" height, and generally always have been.

[TigerClaw]

this to It why the slamming into the Humvee doesn't see that bad they have a shell why wouldn't they use them
I can picture the scene after the Turtle crashes on the Humvee. He be like. "Oh Hi April, I could use a little help here?"

[graphic_content]

I can picture the scene after the Turtle crashes on the Humvee. He be like. "Oh Hi April, I could use a little help here?"

that would actually be funny.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

However it could be just an over exaggeration by the TrickorTreat, CyberCubed, Leo656, RamboRaph, #42 hate club who have their mind made up on this movie much before and either confused something they saw to over exaggerate to make it sound worse than it is.


Face it. The people who love and look forward to this movie...at this point Nothing and I mean Nothing is going to change your mind. And the vice versa is true too. When I can plainly see a train wreck heading towards my way, I can either stand there and let the big son of a bitch hit me, or I can get out of the way.

At this point, I'm getting out of the way. The only reason I even posted to this is that my username came up in your conversation.

From now on, please speak only for you and yourself alone. Not me or anybody else, alright pal?

People who say "wait for the Trailer"...they Specifically Described the trailer beat for beat. So feel free to watch the trailer, since all you're going to see is snow, subway, Megan Fox, Will Arnett, and fugly looking turtles. Good luck and have a blast! :lol:

I'll repeat for the reading impaired. At this point, the people who love it and have hope? Nothing is going to dissuade you at all. And people who had a feeling this would be crap just keep having it confirmed to them over and over again.

So from now on, do not use my username in your pithy comments or comparisons.

[TrickOrTreater]

Face it. The people who love and look forward to this movie...at this point Nothing and I mean Nothing is going to change your mind. And the vice versa is true too. When I can plainly see a train wreck heading towards my way, I can either stand there and let the big son of a bitch hit me, or I can get out of the way.

At this point, I'm getting out of the way. The only reason I even posted to this is that my username came up in your conversation.

From now on, please speak only for you and yourself alone. Not me or anybody else, alright pal?

People who say "wait for the Trailer"...they Specifically Described the trailer beat for beat. So feel free to watch the trailer, since all you're going to see is snow, subway, Megan Fox, Will Arnett, and fugly looking turtles. Good luck and have a blast! :lol:

I'll repeat for the reading impaired. At this point, the people who love it and have hope? Nothing is going to dissuade you at all. And people who had a feeling this would be crap just keep having it confirmed to them over and over again.

So from now on, do not use my username in your pithy comments or comparisons.

I'm shocked to see so many people have such low standards in their entertainment.

"eh as long as it can hold my gaze for 2 hours its awesome" or "at least teh fighting will be awesome."

Man. That's sad. I've never expected a Turtle movie to be oscar-worthy high art, but it needs to be good and not in the "so bad it's good" way.

Pity. Maybe one day we'll get some actually talented folks who'll give us a great couple of Ninja Turtle movies in a row.

[Bry]

My only hope is that the 1990 movie will get a decent re-release in the run-up to August. Clean up the picture a bit, give us a few bonus features. That'd be nice.

I just keep trying to look for that silver lining.

[TrickOrTreater]

Not for me, I haven't liked what I've heard. And I was excited. It's being tempered a lot more. I've voiced my concerns, and displeasures. See this very thread. I'm actually unbiased. Taking news as it comes to formulate opinions. You'd be lying if because of your disdain for it fromt he get go you haven't overly nitpicked each and every idea or image.

:lol: Never mind the fact that I, who was included in your list, have given examples of the very few things I like about what I've seen so far on multiple occasions.

So yes. Unbiased.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Not for me, I haven't liked what I've heard. And I was excited. It's being tempered a lot more. I've voiced my concerns, and displeasures. See this very thread. I'm actually unbiased. Taking news as it comes to formulate opinions. You'd be lying if because of your disdain for it fromt he get go you haven't overly nitpicked each and every idea or image.


Because what should I be happy about?

News of the Original Script?

Casting of actors that I don't like and don't care for? (Megan Fox to me can't act, Will Arnett I don't care for as a comedian, William Fichtner I've never cared for as an actor and is a poor choice as a villain from the multiple movies I've seen from him.)

The producer and production company that did horrible remakes like Nightmare on Elm Street, The Hitcher, and Amityville Horror?

The peaks at the Turtles look which looked horrible (In My Opinion) because they look like giant Steroid Abusers/Juicers and ones like Raph has ugly as hell Primate-type Noses? Or Mikey with his Demon face?

The news of people seeing the trailer and not having the most positive reactions?

A beat by beat description of the trailer that sounds lame, boring, and lacking of any excitement that a teaser Should do? Yeah, I should be excited for Snow, Subways, Megan, Will, and the makers changing everything 'just for the f*ck of it' and "just because they can."

The sinking feeling that it's going to be Megan and Will in the forefront and the Turtles in the background? And if/when that's the case, then what...are people Still going to be Fine with a Turtles movie where they don't actually star in it? (and I truly think some Would be fine with it.)

This film has done Nothing upon Nothing to make me feel otherwise. It's not nitpicking when Not A Single Thing sounds or looks interesting. Just MY opinion.

[samxsteal]

Of course it could be done right. I don't mind them being taller, or more muscular. More mutated. The new turtles seem to be based off this recent re-invented look:

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/images/uploads/teenage_mutant_ninja_turtles_by_nebezial.jpg

Which is good. They're taller, the lips, the faces. Just with clothes It seems very directly based off this artwork. Which is cool considering I felt these were very Michael Bay-ized TMNT to begin with.And the guy from IGN said they did look like the picture taken and several other said they look like the turtles we know know one thing i seem to see trending is those who are already negative keep posting from the same two pages with the movie negative POV which to me means they do not take into account other opinion only those that are negative but from those who actually were there there were more positive views on the turtle everything else fallowing were re-account posted from the two negative sites.

What bothers me is the rumored strength. Flipping cars with their hands like the Hulk? That just takes things too far, into a different concept of the ninja turtles. Agree?

However it could be just an over exaggeration by the TrickorTreat, CyberCubed, Leo656, RamboRaph, #42 hate club who have their mind made up on this movie much before and either confused something they saw to over exaggerate to make it sound worse than it is.

They could've seen the clip of the turtle falling down the mountain then slamming into a car, who knows.
I really thing they are. Obviously as i have said before you are not going to make everyone happy it just doesn't work out that way.
I highly doubt they saw a sizzle reel months in advance, well before they even finished this teaser trailer this month. It takes a while for even brief clips of full CG characters like that to be rendered.

I question the validity of what happened till I see it for myself.

I'm still really skeptical About the supposed Information leaked about flipping a car with one hand business, but i think i will judge thing based off of my opinions first hand not some random people with jumbled opinions and mixed information

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

You've had your obvious agenda since the beginning. It's on your youtube channel.

So...you're telling me things I already know?

Yeah, I was mad about it from the beginning. Did I say that wasn't the case? Nope. Never said that wasn't the case.

Why do you think I've been looking at the news all this time? So it can change my mind, to make me a believer, to make me go 'hey, that's not too bad, let me give it a chance' or at least 'ah, that sounds okay.'

And not a single thing so far has done that.

[Bry]

As a turtle fan. Why?

http://s15.postimg.org/uzap4yfvv/thebay.jpg

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[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

As a turtle fan. Why?


Because I didn't want a "Transformers with Shells."

Because for the first live action film of these characters in over 20 years, I would like a Ninja Turtles film where the Turtles are actual 3-Dimensional Characters (emotions, family moments and bonding, character development & build-up, character arcs that get fulfilled). Which isn't a silly idea or concept as I'm sure some will say because other comic book films have done this same thing.

When these people got involved, I really didn't see that happening. Instead, now I was hoping "well, I at least hope now that they will Actually star in the films...unlike the Transformers did in their own films."

And then wondering if Michael Bay as producer would learn from Spielberg who produced his Transformers films (in which the writers of those films have said, on Commentary, that Spielberg told them to put the Humans in the forefront because 'it has to be from the Humans perspective.")

Every piece (for me) hasn't dissuaded me. Whether it be the casting or anything else. I just have huge doubts that these people care that much about the fan base. And hey, I get it. It's not their job. Their job is to make a movie that makes enough money for more movies.

At the same time, it's the sentiment if "If they don't care, then why should I care?"

Do I have proof? No. And if people do look forward to the film, then hey...I have no right to say otherwise. That's honestly perfectly fine.

And I would love to sit here and go "Yes, I look forward to it." You have no idea how I would love to sit here and go "I can't Wait!"

But I would be lying if I did.

I would like a Ninja Turtles movie that gets people to take these characters seriously and not 'a joke.' And so far, to me in My Opinion (not fact, just my opinion) it does sound like a joke so far. And a Bad one. One that people will laugh at very much.

And for a new Live Action Ninja Turtles flick in 20 years, that does make me Sad.

[snake]

Ones you have called boring, and/or had major beefs with. But for the TMNT, of course in your book it's ok?

:lol:

The 1990 film very much had dimensions to the turtles. Even more so than the 2k3 series, where everyone seems to be one note.


TMNT 1990 did this w/ April, Danny, and Casey.

At least April, and Casey are true mythos characters.

TMNT SOTO did this w/ Keno. It didn't start w/ Michael Bay. As for ILM and their work on the Transformer films, and now TMNT?

You do realize the CG is very expensive? So human plot points and scenes, while not exclusively following just the Transformers, or in this case the Turtles is a money saving venture, right?


SOTO sucked
TMNT III sucked
Next Mutation sucked
2k3 was pretty decent, but under the radar
TMNT 2k7 sucked

2k12 is pretty decent, but very popular.

I don't think this film, no matter how bad is ruining anything Ninja Turtles related long term.
Soto didn't suck, and the first three movies had tons of parts with the turtles, and April and casey were usually seen with the turtles.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Soto didn't suck, and the first three movies had tons of parts with the turtles, and April and casey were usually seen with the turtles.

Agreed. And the Turtles were still seen as the stars of those movies. SOTO I enjoy and had lots of fun/character moments of the Turtles themselves (like Mikey chewing loudly on purpose to annoy Raph, a fun character bit for Mikey.)

"But with the TMNT, of course it'd be ok in your book." Since they're my favorite fandom? I would think that would be obvious. Sorry that I'm not the biggest Batman fan so thus Dark Knight didn't appeal to me as much as others. Maybe if I loved Batman as a character as much as the Turtles, then it would.

Is that okay with you, sir?

Keno was a side character. Not the star (which was my Point).

I KNOW the 1990 film had it. Did I say it didn't? Thus why I would not only like to see that done again but Expanded.

And the Turtles Don't need to be CGI. To me, the suits in the first 2 films look Fantastic and that was over 20 years ago. Just do suits again (and if you need to do it CGI, then just do it with the mouths/eyes. Bingo, lots of money saved AND you can still do plot points and scenes.) It didn't need to be 100% CGI with them. If you disagree, cool.

[samxsteal]

Soto didn't suck, and the first three movies had tons of parts with the turtles, and April and casey were usually seen with the turtles.

And at this point we dont know that about this movie either based on a TEASER trailer

[TrickOrTreater]

And at this point we dont know that about this movie either based on a TEASER trailer

This was the promo image they put up for the movie. With logo.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BjjC-Z6CIAAZNd3.jpg:large

That is heinous.

[TurtleTitan97]

- The fact they ditched Oroku Saki and replaced with Eric Sachs
- The Turtles' radical new designs

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

SOTO is a bad film. You're nostalgia glasses are fogged up.

Sorry, I can say a lot of good things about the film without your condescending words of "nostalgia goggles fogged up."

The voice work of the Turtles, in my opinion, is still the best group of voices for the Turtles and I think they did an Excellent job bringing those characters to life.

Jim Henson's shop made beautiful animatronics that, to me, still holds up today.

Keno was a decent side character and Ernie Reyes Jr. didn't do a bad job acting.

The score fit the film very well.

The fight scenes were entertaining to watch and more than decently choreographed.

Small but Fun family moments that I can pick up on that made me believe more that they were a family; like Mikey rubbing Raphael's head to sooth Raph's anger when he got his foot stomped by Keno....Mikey chewing his food more loudly/on purpose to rile Raph up....then actually playing around and having fun like Brothers.

Not too long, pretty quickly paced.

But, I guess I can't go on because I'm not allowed to like the movie without my "nostalgia goggles fogging up", as you so eloquently put it.

[graphic_content]

SOTO is a bad film. You're nostalgia glasses are fogged up.

I'd have to agree with you here - I recently rewatched it, and have to say, when the pizza delivering sidekick has better fight choreography than the turtles, something is wrong.

[snake]

SOTO is a bad film. You're nostalgia glasses are fogged up.

Nostaliga glasses? I wasn't even born when soto was released. Sure it's cheesier then the first one but it's a fun movie. Why do you hate it?

[TrickOrTreater]

Nostaliga glasses? I wasn't even born when soto was released. Sure it's cheesier then the first one but it's a fun movie. Why do you hate it?

I look at it this way.

The first movie combined elements from both Mirage and the original cartoon.

The second movie was basically just a straight up adaptation of the original cartoon.

Nothing really wrong with that. It's still a lot of fun.

[samxsteal]

This was the promo image they put up for the movie. With logo.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BjjC-Z6CIAAZNd3.jpg:large

That is heinous.

And TMNT 90's movie didn't have any human production photos???
Casey
April,
http://crunchingsandmunchings.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/5tmnt-e1336537013352.jpg?w=225&h=300

ok

[samxsteal]

I'd have to agree with you here - I recently rewatched it, and have to say, when the pizza delivering sidekick has better fight choreography than the turtles, something is wrong.

He was actually one of the turtles in the original Film and a great Martial Artist, Ernie Reyes is a beast

[chrisdude]

I like SOTO. But I understand being bothered or disappointed by the change in tone. It's very awkward to do that during a series. I think Batman Forever and Batman & Robin strike a great tone, in terms of seriousness vs camp - for me, personally. But following Batman and Batman Returns makes it seem absolutely ridiculous. Because you're taking an established world and making it crazier. If 1990 was like SOTO, and carried more influence from OT, fans would probably have accepted it more. It's the change that hurts it.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

I agree with some of that but it's still a bad film even with it's nostalgia or charm. Still a hugestep down from the original. Poor plot. Corny, extra childish. Neutered weaponry, violence, and marital arts. More over the top, and campy. It ceased to take the material more seriously. That terrible climax and third act confrontation.


To you, it's a bad film. To me, it's not and it's a fun film. I could go on but it doesn't matter. Because it's not about 'me making you agree with me' or vice versa. It would at the end of the day end with "We agree to disagree."

What I have a problem with is the fact that apparently, to you, no one can actually enjoy that film without having 'nostalgia goggles that's fogged up.'

[TrickOrTreater]

And TMNT 90's movie didn't have any human production photos???
Casey
April,
http://crunchingsandmunchings.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/5tmnt-e1336537013352.jpg?w=225&h=300

ok

Are you f*cking kidding me?

I'm talking about as an official representation of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie at a trade show.

It's literally just a photo of Megan Fox and Will Arnett with the logo plastered on the corner.

If you took the logo off, there is NOTHING about that photo that would tell you it belongs to a TMNT movie if you didn't already know.

[samxsteal]

Are you f*cking kidding me?

I'm talking about as an official representation of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie at a trade show.

It's literally just a photo of Megan Fox and Will Arnett with the logo plastered on the corner.

If you took the logo off, there is NOTHING about that photo that would tell you it belongs to a TMNT movie if you didn't already know.

http://crunchingsandmunchings.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/5tmnt-e1336537013352.jpg?w=225&h=300 And that totally screams TMNT

[TigerClaw]

Are you f*cking kidding me?

I'm talking about as an official representation of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie at a trade show.

It's literally just a photo of Megan Fox and Will Arnett with the logo plastered on the corner.

If you took the logo off, there is NOTHING about that photo that would tell you it belongs to a TMNT movie if you didn't already know.
But it is, Were talking about April O'Neil here. As much the Turtles themselves, Shes a very important character to the Mythos.

[Galactus]

http://crunchingsandmunchings.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/5tmnt-e1336537013352.jpg?w=225&h=300 And that totally screams TMNT

Did they use thst photo to advertise the movie?

Was that tbe first officially released photo to promote the movie?

[TrickOrTreater]

But it is, Were talking about April O'Neil here. As much the Turtles themselves, Shes a very important character to the Mythos.

And yet she's not the central focus. The Turtles are.

Or at least she shouldn't be.

But she probably will be.

Just like, oh em gee, the Transformers weren't the central focus of the f*cking Transformers movies.

[samxsteal]

Did they use thst photo to advertise the movie?

Was that tbe first officially released photo to promote the movie?

yes back in the day they used that in magazines and the press books. it wasn't the first but that movie had practical effect special effects are a different story and many of the people who posted responses to the trailer said and i quote "it's Obvious they dont have much finished footage of the turtles."

[TrickOrTreater]

it wasn't the first

Whooooops.

[samxsteal]

Whooooops.

you totally ignore everything else i say -_^

[electric_sheep]

Nostaliga glasses? I wasn't even born when soto was released. Sure it's cheesier then the first one but it's a fun movie. Why do you hate it?
Because it ditches the tone from the movie and turtles never use their weapons? Costumes are shittier and voice actin isn't as good. for me it's that they turned shredder from the first movie into 87 cartoon shredder and there was nothing to the secret of the ooze, it's just some spilled toxic waste. It doesn't do justice to the title of the movie...

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Because it ditches the tone from the movie and turtles never use their weapons? Costumes are shittier and voice actin isn't as good. for me it's that they turned shredder from the first movie into 87 cartoon shredder and there was nothing to the secret of the ooze, it's just some spilled toxic waste. It doesn't do justice to the title of the movie...

Sorry but I don't see how the costumes are quote 'shittier'. In fact, it's an improvement on the great ones in the first movie. And the voice acting? You have 2 from the first movie (Brian Tochi and Robbie Rist) and a Donatello that actually sounds more like what Donny "should sound like" instead of just "Corey Feldman sounding like Corey Feldman". If you disagree, that's fine. To each their own.

[electric_sheep]

Sorry but I don't see how the costumes are quote 'shittier'. In fact, it's an improvement on the great ones in the first movie. And the voice acting? You have 2 from the first movie (Brian Tochi and Robbie Rist) and a Donatello that actually sounds more like what Donny "should sound like" instead of just "Corey Feldman sounding like Corey Feldman". If you disagree, that's fine. To each their own.

This http://www.martialartsactionmovies.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Donatello-and-Michaelangelo.jpg
looks much better than this
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/litlbit/screencaps%20for%20previews/T-286.jpg

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

This http://www.martialartsactionmovies.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Donatello-and-Michaelangelo.jpg
looks much better than this
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/litlbit/screencaps%20for%20previews/T-286.jpg

They both look fine to me. And the animatronics for the faces flowed a bit smoother in the 2nd film. So still don't know what you mean.

[electric_sheep]

They both look fine to me. And the animatronics for the faces flowed a bit smoother in the 2nd film. So still don't know what you mean.

Seriously? Look how much more realistic the textures look in the first movie, also look at their faces, Donnie looks like he's thinking and Mikey looks laid back. Now look at SOTO they all almost look the same, they all have same stupid expression...

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Seriously? Look how much more realistic the textures on the first movie look, also look at there faces, Donnie looks like he's thinking and mickey looks laid back. Now look at SOTO they all almost look the same, they all have same stupid expression...

Nope, don't see any of what you're talking about. They both still look great.

SOTO, they don't all have the same expressions. Raph is curious, Donnie has a big grin, Leo is a bit indifferent in that picture.

Even the pic you chose for the first one, Mikey & Donnie pretty much have the same look. Both leaned back, eyes a bit squinted, waiting.

I don't see those 'more realistic textures' you're talking about. I think both of the first two films did a great job. But oh well. And sorry, no matter what you're not going to make me think otherwise.

Like I SAID before, to each their own.

[electric_sheep]

Nope, don't see any of what you're talking about. They both still look great.

SOTO, they don't all have the same expressions. Raph is curious, Donnie has a big grin, Leo is a bit indifferent in that picture.

Even the pic you chose for the first one, Mikey & Donnie pretty much have the same look. Both leaned back, eyes a bit squinted, waiting.

I don't see those 'more realistic textures' you're talking about. I think both of the first two films did a great job. But oh well. Like I SAID before, to each their own. http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/288/186/d7d

[electric_sheep]

I actually really love that movie.


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So do i, it's an awesome movie...

[electric_sheep]

And of course:

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That's awesome, though it would be funnier if splinter joined the conversation.

[electric_sheep]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPHZXqd4qpQ

Coen Brother make awesome movies, though i am ashamed to admit that i haven't seen "No Country for Old Men"

[fridaynightdestination]

Well I can tell that with this movie they are trying to be different, which is fine, but I'm afraid they are gonna make it TOO different.

[Machias Banshee]

Wow, you guys are so far off-topic, I don't know where to begin... Big Lebowski? Really?

Come on... keep it to the original topic guys.


~Machias

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Wow, you guys are so far off-topic, I don't know where to begin... Big Lebowski? Really?

Come on... keep it to the original topic guys.


~Machias


Sorry about that. Was just having fun/goofing off to ease up from the other threads. Deleted some of the 'lebowski' stuff to clean up the thread a bit. Again, sorry about that.

[Sighphi]

To me seems to be their size, and strength? Seems like they're being transformed from cute, shorter than April martial artists. To brute, hulking well over 6' turtles as described by viewers of the trailer. This bothers me the most. Especially the rumors of their proposed strength.

There wasnt discussion about this when all those pics came out?
I mean look...

http://media.bestlittlesites.com/images/users/uploads/54573/tumblr_mq7rdnsqLJ1rsah24o1_1280.jpg

Here's one of them trying to be "stealthy," and he is freaking huge.

Plus this.
http://i.imgur.com/WO9e7IY.jpg

These thing has been known to be big for a long time.
Those little balls on his head arent there as a goof.

[electric_sheep]

There wasnt discussion about this when all those pics came out?
I mean look...

http://media.bestlittlesites.com/images/users/uploads/54573/tumblr_mq7rdnsqLJ1rsah24o1_1280.jpg

Here's one of them trying to be "stealthy," and he is freaking huge.

Plus this.
http://i.imgur.com/WO9e7IY.jpg

These thing has been known to be big for a long time.
Those little balls on his head arent there as a goof.
could those be a reference for his eyes? naaah, it's to big, is it? and does she have a natural duck lips or is she just in character?

[Candy Kappa]

The balls could be used for shading reference, as they did in Iron Man, or eye marker when he extends his neck (like turtles do).

[TrickOrTreater]

Never mind what's going to be the oh so "hilarious" scene of him trying to get into a normal car:

http://i.imgur.com/M9VSiLE.jpg?1

Yeah they're huge.

[Jester]

Wow, you guys are so far off-topic, I don't know where to begin... Big Lebowski? Really?

Come on... keep it to the original topic guys.


~Machias
Also a quadruple post...that back in the day would have been merged.

[Bry]

Plus this.
http://i.imgur.com/WO9e7IY.jpg

These thing has been known to be big for a long time.
Those little balls on his head arent there as a goof.

I don't think I've seen this one before. According to Google, Alan Ritchson is 6'2". If those white balls are meant to be Raphael's eyes, he's gotta be around 7 feet tall.

[d_osborn]

I don't think I've seen this one before. According to Google, Alan Ritchson is 6'2". If those white balls are meant to be Raphael's eyes, he's gotta be around 7 feet tall.
The white balls are for mocap reference. Note his height in the fedora/trench coat shot. That's the character size.

[TrickOrTreater]

I don't think I've seen this one before. According to Google, Alan Ritchson is 6'2". If those white balls are meant to be Raphael's eyes, he's gotta be around 7 feet tall.

I'm not expert on vfx or motion capture but I'm hard pressed to find any other explanation for those ping pong balls on stalks other than them being markers for where his eyes go.

Oh and I just noticed, in that one picture of Megan and Raph in the trench coat that Sighphi posted, the guy in blue in the foreground? That's Will Arnett/Vernon.

So THAT car belongs to either Megan Fox/April or Arnett/Vernon. Who are a tv news reporter and a cameraman respectively.

Is that an expensive car? Not really a car guy. Looks expensive.

[Anton Chigurh]

I don't think I've seen this one before. According to Google, Alan Ritchson is 6'2". If those white balls are meant to be Raphael's eyes, he's gotta be around 7 feet tall.

Those aren't his eyeballs, just look at him wearing the sunglasses

[TrickOrTreater]

It's a Porche

I wonder how either of them are able to afford that type of car.

[fridaynightdestination]

You know, I like the fact that they are making them huge in this movie. It's different. I just hope that they still act like teenagers. The good thing about the Nick series is with their sizes and voices they look, sound, and act like teenagers. I just hope that they still do that with this movie, but as we get badass turtles that's awesome too. But they still gotta be teenagers.

[electric_sheep]

You know, I like the fact that they are making them huge in this movie. It's different. I just hope that they still act like teenagers. The good thing about the Nick series is with their sizes and voices they look, sound, and act like teenagers. I just hope that they still do that with this movie, but as we get badass turtles that's awesome too. But they still gotta be teenagers.

"Tanagers" Bay teenagers will consist of them throwing a bunch of modern day references, like "You Chrome dome, this is going on Facebook" Or something similar...

[samxsteal]

I don't think I've seen this one before. According to Google, Alan Ritchson is 6'2". If those white balls are meant to be Raphael's eyes, he's gotta be around 7 feet tall.

nah 6'7" but not 7 feet. m y friends 6'7" and yeah hes tall but not GINORMOUS, Just tall and hes a big guy. heck im 6'2" seeing something that tall would make me go OMG its freaking HULK. just hey its tall ripped dude. That being said, yeah i would freak out if a tall a mutant turtle anyone would.

[electric_sheep]

Balls are just a reference for his Bandana.

[Sighphi]

You know, I like the fact that they are making them huge in this movie. It's different. I just hope that they still act like teenagers. The good thing about the Nick series is with their sizes and voices they look, sound, and act like teenagers. I just hope that they still do that with this movie, but as we get badass turtles that's awesome too. But they still gotta be teenagers.

Yeah but if they are that big where are they getting their clothing from?
There's like 3 Casual Male Big & tall stores in NYC and they are going to notice their clothing shipment missing pieces.

[Bry]

The balls could be used for shading reference, as they did in Iron Man, or eye marker when he extends his neck (like turtles do).

I suppose so! I'm not too current with the technology, but for shading/movement, typically the white balls would be placed relatively close to the head, right? Like this:

http://s3.amazonaws.com/lighthouse.s3.amazonaws.com/assets/268/original.jpg

I could be wrong, but wouldn't placing them several inches above the top of the actor's head make the shading/movement less accurate? And it seems like there'd have to be a specific reason for those two balls being placed where they are.

Or maybe I'm just over-analyzing this whole thing. :trazz:

[samxsteal]

I suppose so! I'm not too current with the technology, but for shading/movement, typically the white balls would be placed relatively close to the head, right? Like this:

http://s3.amazonaws.com/lighthouse.s3.amazonaws.com/assets/268/original.jpg

I could be wrong, but wouldn't placing them several inches above the top of the actor's head make the shading/movement less accurate? And it seems like there'd have to be a specific reason for those two balls being placed where they are.

Or maybe I'm just over-analyzing this whole thing. :trazz:

thing is if they could not or would not resize raph wearing the trench coat then the white balls above his head are for an other reason other then eye placement.

[Sighphi]

thing is if they could not or would not resize raph wearing the trench coat then the white balls above his head are for an other reason other then eye placement.

Dont forget the miracle or camera framing. Tom Cruise is freaking 5'5'' or something and that dude does not appear to be that small in movies because he is shot to look bigger. The trench coat scene could involve close shots where you cant tell height while those other could include wider shots where height is not easy to hide.

[chrisdude]

Let's also consider that the balls over his head are like five or six inches apart. If they're not spaced exactly like eyes, what would be the point of using them as references for eyes?

[Candy Kappa]

I suppose so! I'm not too current with the technology, but for shading/movement, typically the white balls would be placed relatively close to the head, right? Like this:

http://s3.amazonaws.com/lighthouse.s3.amazonaws.com/assets/268/original.jpg

I could be wrong, but wouldn't placing them several inches above the top of the actor's head make the shading/movement less accurate? And it seems like there'd have to be a specific reason for those two balls being placed where they are.

Or maybe I'm just over-analyzing this whole thing. :trazz:

Yes, unless they are for other references, like as I mentioned, the could be used for reflection and lighting references, for the reflection in his sunglasses or shiny as in his skin color. They did a similar technique with Iron Man, filming small metal balls painted in the same colors as the Iron Man suit was, so they had reflection references for the texture job on the CG model.

Or, if Raph have a scene where he extends his neck, it could be a reference point for Megan to look at when Raph raises his head, since real turtles can stretch their necks to pretty impressive lengths, a bit more realistic then tucking the head in on a humanoid turtle.

And, since the Mo-Cap suits they are using don't have balls on the , as they actually can fall easily off :lol:

Usually when using the ball suits, you have to be in a studio inside a ring of cameras to gather as much as info as possible, as the balls have to be constantly recorded to gather the information for the animation. So I doubt the two balls are for actual motion capture and are just there as a reference for something.

[electric_sheep]

[QUOTE]chrisdude;1235647]Let's also consider that the balls over his head are like five or six inches apart. If they're not spaced exactly like eyes, what would be the point of using them as references for eyes?[/QUOTE)

Maybe it's just a reference for how high he is??

[samxsteal]

That's not that bad. It's not like he's 7 feet tall, or HULK like. He's just a beastly 6'5 ish mutated turtle. I can roll with that as long as he's not flipping trucks with his bare hands or anything. I can dig that ... but the strength thing is what ultimately worries me.

http://media.bestlittlesites.com/images/users/uploads/54573/tumblr_mq7rdnsqLJ1rsah24o1_1280.jpgI doubt hes just going to be able to flip a car with little to know effort, as being implied

Dont forget the miracle or camera framing. Tom Cruise is freaking 5'5'' or something and that dude does not appear to be that small in movies because he is shot to look bigger. The trench coat scene could involve close shots where you cant tell height while those other could include wider shots where height is not easy to hide.
Oh i know For sure. But the cameras aren't place in those shots as to get that feeling like they did with Bane.
Tom Hardy is like 5'9, and I've stood next to Bale ... he's a legit 6'1. They framed Bane to be his height or slightly taller in the movie. Movie magic my friends.
yeah.
Let's also consider that the balls over his head are like five or six inches apart. If they're not spaced exactly like eyes, what would be the point of using them as references for eyes?
This too

[1984TMNT]

Let's also consider that the balls over his head are like five or six inches apart. If they're not spaced exactly like eyes, what would be the point of using them as references for eyes?

Those balls are for lighting/shading reference (for the face/character) relative to how everything else is being lit in the scene. I thought this was already discussed and settled on months ago?

[Chris_a_Bunga]

It honestly seems like they are just going for a rip off version of Batman landing on the car in the Dark Knight when the windows blow out (because that shiz was a cool ass shot), but using the speed Raph is going and trying to show off the hardness of his shell to it wrecking the car, but yeah, it really seems a bit much.. ::tgrumble:

[Warhorse]

That's not catering to the female gaze, that's adding another self-insert for dudes to want to be.

You want catering to the female gaze you've got to look towards the Thor and Captain America movies. Long, lingering, full body shots of men as objects of desire. That's what I'm talking about.

Oh, he didn't do that with Will Smith in Bad Boys?

[Lou 500]

Or, if Raph have a scene where he extends his neck, it could be a reference point for Megan to look at when Raph raises his head, since real turtles can stretch their necks to pretty impressive lengths, a bit more realistic then tucking the head in on a humanoid turtle.

That sounds really disturbing and I'm not sure I want to see Raph doing that.

[Candy Kappa]

That sounds really disturbing and I'm not sure I want to see Raph doing that.

http://www.alaska-in-pictures.com/data/media/1/red-eared-slider-turtle_10514.jpg

quite normal :P

[TigerClaw]

That sounds really disturbing and I'm not sure I want to see Raph doing that.
The Ninja Turtles have done that before, I mean tuck there heads in the shell, In the 1st TMNT movie, One of the foot soldiers swang a sword toward Mickey's head and he just hid his head in the shell.

[sethmartin]

Those balls are for lighting/shading reference (for the face/character) relative to how everything else is being lit in the scene. I thought this was already discussed and settled on months ago?

I work in VFX. This is absolutely correct.