Have any of the PD movies actually been good?

[Radical Raph]

I just realized, while I've admired some of the production values, there hasn't been a PD movie I've really liked. Here's a list of all of them so far:

The Texas Chainsaw Massacre
The Amityville Horror
The Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Beginning
The Hitcher
The Unborn
Friday the 13th
Horsemen
A Nightmare on Elm Street
The Purge

TTCM was decent and I almost liked F13 up until the ending. But so far they don't have a very solid track record from what I've seen. The highest rated one from Rotten Tomatoes was The Purge at 38%.

[turtlefanforever]

Is Bad Boys PD? I know it's micheal bay or some affiliation with him and PD, that was good. And I liked Friday the 13th.

[Anton Chigurh]

I actually enjoyed NOES, Jackie was a good kruger( odviously no England) but still good. I also enjoyed them trying to make the story have a mythical complete back story.

Everything else meh

The purge sucked, but I do see the sequel being decent. I believe it will become quite a cult franchise. I.e evil deads, phatasims, saws.

[Walkabout]

I quite enjoyed their Friday The 13th, but the other remakes they have done have been pretty exploitative and missed the point of what made the originals so well loved...dumbed down, I guess.

[TigerClaw]

When Platinum Dunes was created, it was to make movies with a smaller budget, However with TMNT, That's a pretty big jump in terms of big budget productions, They wanted to branch out of the whole Horror movie genre and concentrate on others.

[chrisdude]

Those are all horror movies, so... :ohwell:

Personally, I don't care for horror. I haven't seen any of those.

[TigerClaw]

Those are all horror movies, so... :ohwell:

Personally, I don't care for horror. I haven't seen any of those.
the majority of those were remakes, So I see why they want to branch out.

[Radical Raph]

I quite enjoyed their Friday The 13th, but the other remakes they have done have been pretty exploitative and missed the point of what made the originals so well loved...dumbed down, I guess.
Friday the 13th had a wood chipper at the end of the movie and they DIDN'T use it. That is a crime against gory slasher flicks. I just remember the whole ending of the movie being kind of a let down. But there were some cool gags.

[Warhorse]

I just realized, while I've admired some of the production values, there hasn't been a PD movie I've really liked. Here's a list of all of them so far:

The Texas Chainsaw Massacre
The Amityville Horror
The Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Beginning
The Hitcher
The Unborn
Friday the 13th
Horsemen
A Nightmare on Elm Street
The Purge

TTCM was decent and I almost liked F13 up until the ending. But so far they don't have a very solid track record from what I've seen. The highest rated one from Rotten Tomatoes was The Purge at 38%.

I do like The Texas Chainsaw Massacre and The Amityville Horror (Chloe Grace Mortiz aka Hitgirl was in that one, and the only time I actually liked Ryan Reynolds, everything else he's in, I can't stand him.) The rest, I had no desire to see, simply because I am not a fan of the originals to begin with.

[graphic_content]

Those are all horror movies, so... :ohwell:

Personally, I don't care for horror. I haven't seen any of those.

im not a horror person myself - particularly because the definition of horror has shifted from a genuinely scary situation to grotesque ultra violence for its own sake.

what I do think is strange is that Platinum Dunes optioned for this film, when they are primarily known for horror remakes. it makes me wonder, who else was optioning for this film, and what it would have amounted to in the hands of a more experienced production company.

[Bry]

In short? No. (http://whatculture.com/film/is-michael-bays-platinum-dunes-the-worst-film-company-ever.php)

[TigerClaw]

im not a horror person myself - particularly because the definition of horror has shifted from a genuinely scary situation to grotesque ultra violence for its own sake.

what I do think is strange is that Platinum Dunes optioned for this film, when they are primarily known for horror remakes. it makes me wonder, who else was optioning for this film, and what it would have amounted to in the hands of a more experienced production company.
Yeah, I'm not a fan of horror movies in which the Gore takes center stage.

[Warhorse]

Yeah, I'm not a fan of horror movies in which the Gore takes center stage.

Same here. I like the suspense more, not the gore. I can handle it, but I'm not a fan of the torture type movies.

[Evil_Ash]

Same here. I like the suspense more, not the gore. I can handle it, but I'm not a fan of the torture type movies.

probably the last good horror movie was Drag me to hell, i am not fan of horror, especially modern horror. Because they all take themselves waaaaay to serious.

[Radical Raph]

im not a horror person myself - particularly because the definition of horror has shifted from a genuinely scary situation to grotesque ultra violence for its own sake.

what I do think is strange is that Platinum Dunes optioned for this film, when they are primarily known for horror remakes. it makes me wonder, who else was optioning for this film, and what it would have amounted to in the hands of a more experienced production company.
Films like Insidious, The Conjuring, and Paranormal Activity, which focus more on tension and atmosphere instead of gore, will hopefully put horror back on the right path.

probably the last good horror movie was Drag me to hell, i am not fan of horror, especially modern horror. Because they all take themselves waaaaay to serious.
I appreciated Drag Me to Hell as a fan of Raimi, but I do feel like it got a little too silly for it's own good.

The Woman in Black is another good, suspenseful horror movie with very little gore.

In short? No. (http://whatculture.com/film/is-michael-bays-platinum-dunes-the-worst-film-company-ever.php)
Not only that, but I'd be a little more confident if we were at least working with an established director here. Instead we got the guy who did Battle: LA and Wrath of the Titans. Two very mediocre, sometimes terrible, movies.

I will say that I absolutely love everything they've shown in the trailer so far for TMNT and the look of the film. But my point is, I love the look of all of the PD movies. It's just too bad they don't have the substance to back it up. At the very least, they have been fairly dedicated when it comes to paying homage and staying true to the roots of the characters in their remakes. So that gives me some hope. And with such a rich history to play around in with TMNT, they can't possibly screw this up too bad... right?

[Bry]

Not only that, but I'd be a little more confident if we were at least working with an established director here. Instead we got the guy who did Battle: LA and Wrath of the Titans. Two very mediocre, sometimes terrible, movies.

I will say that I absolutely love everything they've shown in the trailer so far for TMNT and the look of the film. But my point is, I love the look of all of the PD movies. It's just too bad they don't have the substance to back it up. At the very least, they have been fairly dedicated when it comes to paying homage and staying true to the roots of the characters in their remakes. So that gives me some hope. And with such a rich history to play around in with TMNT, they can't possibly screw this up too bad... right?

I can't argue that Bay (and those in the PD wheelhouse) don't have a certain style. It's not one I personally enjoy, but that's pretty subjective. However, what they've proven they don't have is much of is substance, and that's something I expect from pretty much any movie.

It's amazing how much style and substance we've been getting from superhero movies and kids' movies these days. The bar is set pretty high. But even some evidence of genuine effort to make this more than a heavy-filter/contrast-style explosion-fest would give me more hope about this movie.

I am a bit cynical about this. I admit that. But there are plenty of genuine reasons for concern. Guess time will tell.

[MajorViolence]

I enjoyed Friday the 13th, but that's mostly because I love awful horror movies that borderline being horror comedy. Jason X is my favorite from the original series, if that gives you some indication of what aspects I'm enjoying. So, it was no surprise to me that people hated that film, since it played up a lot of the goofy aspects I love, instead of using the opportunity to reboot as a way of getting the film back on track to the seriously creepy horror of the original few films.

[TigerClaw]

Bay has made, and produced quite a few entertaining films. People like to bully him, but honestly he's not bad. Yes, he likes hot chicks, and explosions. I didn't know having testosterone in one's body is bad thing. I like those things. He makes dumb, fun, popcorn movies. Why do people hold him to such higher standards? He doesn't act like he's Kubrick or something.
Some people like to bully him cause hes successful and they are not.

[JoshDA7X]

I liked them all, they had flaws but overall I enjoyed them. Maybe I'm just easily pleased!

[Andrew NDB]

Here's a list of all of them so far:

The Texas Chainsaw Massacre

I dug it.

The Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Beginning

I also dug it. Maybe moreso than the first.

Friday the 13th

Really dug it. It's a clever "reboot" that also manages to function just fine as a sequel to "Freddy vs. Jason."

Haven't seen any of the others.

[Bry]

Some people like to bully him cause hes successful and they are not.

Being successful doesn't mean he's above criticism, and having valid (though admittedly subjective) issues with his work and his "style" doesn't make someone a bully.

More power to the people who like his work! But the wide consensus among critics and film experts is that he's made/produced very few quality films.

People can be entertained by something that's not "quality", and there's nothing wrong with that. But there's also nothing wrong with expecting more and criticizing movies and creators when they fall short.

[Walkabout]

It's safe to say that Michael Bay/ PD films aren't critically acclaimed...in fact universally panned (by critics) is probably a very accurate description.

If everybody was mocking his sexuality or something that would be bullying...

edit: ninjad by Bry

[TurtleTitan97]

Some people like to bully him cause hes successful and they are not.

Or maybe it's because his films just aren't that good.

[TrickOrTreater]

Or maybe it's because his films just aren't that good.

"If people don't like what I like then they're a bully."

That's the overall message I'm getting from a handful of people on this site.

[Candy Kappa]

Short answer?

No.

Although I did like the visuals of 13. And Elm Street. And I liked Amityville for the most part.

[TurtleTitan97]

Take a crap franchise like Transformers. There really isn't much meat to that mythology to begin with ...

That is completely untrue. The Transformers franchise has plenty of mythology in it. There's more to the franchise than just giant robots fighting each other.

[Walkabout]

As someone who grew up on both G1 Transformers and GI JOE, I strongly disagree with your statement there Çhucker.

[Shark_Blade]

I like most of them so I have nothing to worry about. :tcool:

They're gonna do great.

[Candy Kappa]

TF fans got pissed why ... because they put flames on Prime's body?.

Yup, the only reason why some dislikes the movies, not because the robot designs are bad, or that the main (human) characters are unlikable douches, or the racists/offensive stereotypes, terrible acting, low blows, truck sized plot holes, extreme inconsistency, terrible framing and choreography, and bad editing, crappy remake of the Stan Bush song. etc etc.

Nope, they made fire paintwork on Prime's body, that's the only thing wrong with the movies.



And that Bumblebee isn't a beetle, HERESY! I tell ya, heresy!

[pdizzle]

Imho the amityville horror remake was great. And ill probobly get alot of hate for this one but I ****ing hated the f13 movies....they were so damn boring and cliche, at least to me, but the pd version was actually good to me. Unfortunately the biggest letdown of the century was nightmare on elm st. I loved thos movies growing up and was super stoked for the remake and when I wentto see it I couldnt wait for itto be over.....ugh....

[pdizzle]

pdizzle, that Leo super back flip is sick AF

I know right..thanks......feel free to use it....:D

[fridaynightdestination]

I liked the A Nightmare on Elm Street remake

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131116013643/legomessageboards/images/8/85/Deal_with_it.png

[Bry]

I just love the abilities their increased size due to mutation will do for the "ninja action" in this film. It heightens everything they do.

For the age where audiences would be less impressed with more grounded turtles due to the abundance of super heroic action scenes ... it makes sense the turtles be bigger, to have more physical capabilities.

The problem is, the "bigger and bigger" you get with this stuff, the less special it becomes. If every character has to be a jacked-up superhero and every action scene has to be over-the-top explosive, you really lose some of the elegance and skill behind good fight choreography.

[slingtheory]

Bay has made, and produced quite a few entertaining films. People like to bully him, but honestly he's not bad. Yes, he likes hot chicks, and explosions. I didn't know having testosterone in one's body is bad thing. I like those things. He makes dumb, fun, popcorn movies. Why do people hold him to such higher standards? He doesn't act like he's Kubrick or something.

Ok 2 things
1. Since when is not liking someones style of film bullying them. It not like negative comments are going to chase him out of hollywood.
2. You just hit the nail on the head when it comes to why people hate to see his name attached to things. Maybe they want a movie with more substance then just boobs and explosions. Maybe they want to see characters they love to come to life and be, you know three dimensional

[MajorViolence]

The problem is, the "bigger and bigger" you get with this stuff, the less special it becomes. If every character has to be a jacked-up superhero and every action scene has to be over-the-top explosive, you really lose some of the elegance and skill behind good fight choreography.

Agreed. Heck, the most intense battle of the first movie was just Shredder and the turtles. It was the most intimate fight of the film, yet it packed the most punch.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

The problem is, the "bigger and bigger" you get with this stuff, the less special it becomes. If every character has to be a jacked-up superhero and every action scene has to be over-the-top explosive, you really lose some of the elegance and skill behind good fight choreography.

Agreed.

And also, how is 'running straight into a Humvee and making the entire thing topple over like a Transformer would do' considered 'Ninja Action'?

[TigerClaw]

Agreed.

And also, how is 'running straight into a Humvee and making the entire thing topple over like a Transformer would do' considered 'Ninja Action'?
Well, Raph is the muscle of the group, And Im sure there are Ninjas of all shapes and sizes.

[TrickOrTreater]

Well, Raph is the muscle of the group, And Im sure there are Ninjas of all shapes and sizes.

And unless he's also from Krypton, he couldn't have done what he did to a 5900 lb military humvee.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Well, Raph is the muscle of the group, And Im sure there are Ninjas of all shapes and sizes.

Well, if it was smashing a door down? Fine. Through a wall? Maybe if the wall was somewhat weakened.

But making an entire Humvee smashed/flipped over is a bit 'too much'.

[Technogeek29]

And unless he's also from Krypton, he couldn't have done what he did to a 5900 lb military humvee.

Not unless he was going down that slope at transonic speeds I higly doubt that.:roll:

[TrickOrTreater]

Not unless he was going down that slope at transonic speeds I higly doubt that.:roll:

He'd also have to be as dense or denser than a goddamn wrecking ball.

And if he's capable of doing that, what's a couple guys with guns going to do to him?

Which is why it's a mistake to make them so huge and "tough."

[chrisdude]

Fanboys act like he pissed all over their cherished material the way say:

Shane Black did Iron Man 3
Tim Burton did Batman Returns
Shumacher did Batman and Robin
Tim Burton would've done to Superman Lives
Bryan Singer did to Superman Returns
http://i.imgur.com/L5vz5wz.gif

Is this just a random list of movies, or are they supposed to be bad?

[TrickOrTreater]

http://i.imgur.com/L5vz5wz.gif

Is this just a random list of movies, or are they supposed to be bad?

Apparently that other filmmakers have made not good movies based on existing nerd properties, that means that Bay is absolved of his shittiness.

[Technogeek29]

http://i.imgur.com/L5vz5wz.gif

Is this just a random list of movies, or are they supposed to be bad?


http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/leo-decaprio-shoulder-shrug.gif

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

He'd also have to be as dense or denser than a goddamn wrecking ball.

And if he's capable of doing that, what's a couple guys with guns going to do to him?

Which is why it's a mistake to make them so huge and "tough."


Hell, if his shell is hitting that much metal (Metal, mind you) at that much speed (to smash and flip the whole thing), then I'm surprised that he didn't crush his shell, or chunks of shell broken off, or at least get a big crack in it.

They're Not Supermen. At least, that's what I Thought.

[TrickOrTreater]

Hell, if his shell is hitting that much metal (Metal, mind you) at that much speed (to smash and flip the whole thing), then I'm surprised that he didn't crush his shell or at least get a big crack in it.

They're Not Supermen. At least, that's what I Thought.

Exactly. His shell would have been obliterated and he would have been cut to ribbons.

[Andrew NDB]

Well, Raph is the muscle of the group

But that's a new thing. I don't remember anything about him ever being "The Muscle" in the source material, or even the first film series.

[TigerClaw]

But that's a new thing. I don't remember anything about him ever being "The Muscle" in the source material, or even the first film series.
Well, Raph is technically stronger then the others.

[Galactus]

TMNT stubborn faithful had a period due to the fact they dropped the "Teenage Mutant" part of the title, even though the title was turned into the commonly referred to short term of the characters. A title that made more sense for a reboot anyhow to not be confused with the OG 1990 film.


It still baffles me that anyone thinks this. :roll:

The reason that anyone cared about the title change is because that it was seen as confirmation of the turtles being aliens and by extension a lot of the other concepts from that leaked script being present.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

But that's a new thing. I don't remember anything about him ever being "The Muscle" in the source material, or even the first film series.

And if he must be 'The Muscle', then do a 'Brock Lesnar' type.

Not an 'Incredible Hulk' type.

[TrickOrTreater]

Well, Raph is technically stronger then the others.

Doesn't mean he should be able to do what he did in this teaser.

It still baffles me that anyone thinks this. :roll:

The reason that anyone cared about the title change is because that it was seen as confirmation of the turtles being aliens and by extension a lot of the other concepts from that leaked script being present.

Exactly. And yes, Bay WAS involved in the whole Blue Door fiasco since he and PD were brought in well before the script leak.

[Andrew NDB]

Well, Raph is technically stronger then the others.

That was never established in the source material or original film series. Or even anywhere I can think of beyond fan fiction or popular thinking, really.

They all have the same training regimen.

[Technogeek29]

That was never established in the source material or original film series. Or even anywhere I can think of beyond fan fiction or popular thinking, really.

They all have the same training regimen.

I always assume Donnie for some reason.

[TrickOrTreater]

That was never established in the source material or original film series. Or even anywhere I can think of beyond fan fiction or popular thinking, really.

They all have the same training regimen.

It's just a misconception based on their personality traits that came about after the cartoon.

Because Raph is the impulsive hothead of the group, being the stronger of the four is also assigned to him.

And if they give them differing body types, I'm fine with Raph being slightly stronger than the others, but not to the ridiculous extent they have him in this movie.

[chrisdude]

Raph will be the stronger turtle if these guys write him that way. But he may not be. These turtles are just super powerful and durable. And heavy, I guess.

[TigerClaw]

It's just a misconception based on their personality traits that came about after the cartoon.

Because Raph is the impulsive hothead of the group, being the stronger of the four is also assigned to him.

And if they give them differing body types, I'm fine with Raph being slightly stronger than the others, but not to the ridiculous extent they have him in this movie.
Plus Raph was stronger during the whole Leo vs Raph fight from TMNT 2007.

[TrickOrTreater]

Raph will be the stronger turtle if these guys write him that way. But he may not be. These turtles are just super powerful and durable. And heavy, I guess.

And there's the problem.

[Bry]

Haven't Leo and Ralph generally been portrayed as equals in skills and strength, with Raph sometimes getting the edge due to sheer rage/intensity, while Leo's advantage comes through tactics and discipline?

Plus Raph was stronger during the whole Leo vs Raph fight from TMNT 2007.

Was he, though? That fight was pretty even until the end. My read was that Raph got the upper hand because he was willing to fight Leo more ruthlessly than Leo was willing to fight him. Leo didn't want to fight; Raph did.

[TrickOrTreater]

Haven't Leo and Ralph generally been portrayed as equals in skills and strength, with Raph sometimes getting the edge due to sheer rage/intensity, while Leo's advantage comes through tactics and discipline?

That's always been my impression.

[chrisdude]

And there's the problem.If you don't like it. Doesn't seem to be a big complaint.

[TrickOrTreater]

If you don't like it. Doesn't seem to be a big complaint.

No, the bigger complaint is that they're ugly.

[Bry]

If you don't like it. Doesn't seem to be a big complaint.

The entire concept of a ninja relies on being covert and stealthy. These Turtles being loud, massive and heavy seems to fly in the face of that. It's a valid concern.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

If you don't like it. Doesn't seem to be a big complaint.

I don't understand, why isn't it a big complaint?

Especially about the Turtles having super human strength when the basis is that they are 'four teenagers who have been trained in the martial arts?' With the only difference between them and us being their 'looks'.

In fact, what is the point of them training in Martial Arts if they can just throw cars and do all sorts of super-human strength?

Again, there is nothing 'Ninja' about throwing cars, flipping Humvees, and all of this Incredible Hulk crap.

[Huzzah]

Ninja use what tools are at hand for battle, not just martial arts weaponry.

Why throw shuriken, when you can throw a car? I mean, a car will cause a distraction, making it easier to clear out of sight.

While that was intended as a joke, there is logic there that could be assigned to the Foot. The Foot, are essentially ninja, though they are using guns. Why? Because it is an effectice long range weapon that can and does allow stealth killing, without exposing one's self to danger. Why go all Bruce Lee, when it would be more effective to mount an excellent sniper, utilizing a silencer to eliminate a target? While I know people prefer what we are used to, that would be a pretty "ninja" way to eliminate a target, not be seen and leave little evidence behind.

[TrickOrTreater]

Ninja use what tools are at hand for battle, not just martial arts weaponry.

Why throw shuriken, when you can throw a car? I mean, a car will cause a distraction, making it easier to clear out of sight.

While that was intended as a joke, there is logic there that could be assigned to the Foot. The Foot, are essentially ninja, though they are using guns. Why? Because it is an effectice long range weapon that can and does allow stealth killing, without exposing one's self to danger. Why go all Bruce Lee, when it would be more effective to mount an excellent sniper, utilizing a silencer to eliminate a target? While I know people prefer what we are used to, that would be a pretty "ninja" way to eliminate a target, not be seen and leave little evidence behind.

So the movie Phone Booth was actually about a ninja targeting a guy. Huh. Learn something new every day.

[Evil_Ash]

So the movie Phone Booth was actually about a ninja targeting a guy. Huh. Learn something new every day.

And now you made that movie better...

[Warhorse]

Plus Raph was stronger during the whole Leo vs Raph fight from TMNT 2007.

Not only was he stronger, he was built bigger than the others. Just look at the group images of them, Raph is considerably more muscular than his brothers.

I don't think it's a stretch from the source material to showcase Raphael as the stronger Turtle. I mean, did he not have an argument with Leo in the comics, and Leo tried to stop him from leaving and Raph just picked him up and threw him through a wall?

[Sumac]

I watched only remake of the Nightmare on the Elm Street. It was dull and boring. It's like everything from the original was there...save for the spark, that made original interesting.
And I didn't like new Freddy - he simply wasn't charismatic.

[trikuza]

Not only was he stronger, he was built bigger than the others. Just look at the group images of them, Raph is considerably more muscular than his brothers.

I don't think it's a stretch from the source material to showcase Raphael as the stronger Turtle. I mean, did he not have an argument with Leo in the comics, and Leo tried to stop him from leaving and Raph just picked him up and threw him through a wall?

Yeah it seems like more and more they are emphasizing his physical strength, especially since the 2007 movie. They did it much more dramatically in this new one though. I wouldn't be surprised it its Raphael tossing Karai at the wall in the subway scene while he's pulling the whole lone wolf thing, pissed off at Leonardo lol.

[JakeSully]

I just realized, while I've admired some of the production values, there hasn't been a PD movie I've really liked. Here's a list of all of them so far:

The Texas Chainsaw Massacre
The Amityville Horror
The Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Beginning
The Hitcher
The Unborn
Friday the 13th
Horsemen
A Nightmare on Elm Street
The Purge

TTCM was decent and I almost liked F13 up until the ending. But so far they don't have a very solid track record from what I've seen. The highest rated one from Rotten Tomatoes was The Purge at 38%.

I dug The Purge and it's sequel! Horseman was ok and so was Unborn and Hitcher. ANOES was decent as was F13.

I dug TCM remake and Beginning, both were nice like TCM 1 2 and 3.