Bebop and Rocksteady from the new Show

[BubblyShell22]

I hope they'll be serious with a bit of comedy thrown in. I have faith that the writers know what they're doing and will treat both characters well.

And don't hate on the people who thought they would be Fong and Sid. Even I thought that at first, but at least Bebop's black, so you don't have to throw a b*tch fit anymore, Cubed.

[Eiko]

This show is getting to many mutants, as much as I like Bebop and Rocksteady.
They really should focus on the characters they have now.

[CyberCubed]

I just realized something, this will be the first time Bebop is actually voiced by a black actor. In the original toon Barry Gordon, who played Donatello, was also Bebop's VA. So we had a white man play Bebop in the original toon, probably why Bebop rarely sounded black.

But just from watching that preview clip, Nick's Bebop has a great voice and he sounds like he looks.

[Donatello19]

One thing I'm wondering about...is Shredder really going to keep Tiger Claw, Rahzar, Fishface, Baxter, Bebop AND Rocksteady all in his lair? Maybe Bradford and Xever will be getting the boot soon.

[CyberCubed]

One thing I'm wondering about...is Shredder really going to keep Tiger Claw, Rahzar, Fishface, Baxter, Bebop AND Rocksteady all in his lair? Maybe Bradford and Xever will be getting the boot soon.

Fishface has already been feeling rather pointless lately. Did he have any big role in Season 2 at all? Ever since Bradford mutated into Rahzar it seemed like Fishface became comic relief.

[NinjaPug]

Do we know for sure that Bebop & Rocksteady will be working for Shredder? Bebop goes from stealing his helmet to being his henchman? I wonder if people are only assuming that because that's how it was in the OT.

[Stugehen]

One thing I'm wondering about...is Shredder really going to keep Tiger Claw, Rahzar, Fishface, Baxter, Bebop AND Rocksteady all in his lair? Maybe Bradford and Xever will be getting the boot soon.

They should take the IDW route and establish separate mutant faction. In addition to the mutants above you've got Mutagen Man, Snakeweed, Spider Bytez, The Rat King, Spy-Roach, Newtralizer, Pizza Face, Pete the Pigeon, Monkey Brains, Sir Malachi....and I'm sure I've missed some.

It would be nice to group some of these into a faction...led by the Ice Cream Kitty. Admit it. You'd watch that.

[MCLeo28]

One thing I'm wondering about...is Shredder really going to keep Tiger Claw, Rahzar, Fishface, Baxter, Bebop AND Rocksteady all in his lair? Maybe Bradford and Xever will be getting the boot soon.

I do agree, Fishface has been unimportant lately and partially comic relief (even Shredder considered him useless when he pushed him out of the way in WormQuake). I definitely do think he's going to keep Tiger Claw as he is the strongest mutant on their team and Rahzar as he appeared to Shredder's 2nd hand man in "The Lonely Mutation of Baxter Stockman". Fishface might be getting the boot, but it seems pointless to do that when he just received a new weapon.

[Metalwolf]

One thing I'm wondering about...is Shredder really going to keep Tiger Claw, Rahzar, Fishface, Baxter, Bebop AND Rocksteady all in his lair? Maybe Bradford and Xever will be getting the boot soon.That is what I have been wondering too for a while. Where is he going to keep all of these people? How is he going to house them all? They all need to eat and have a place to sleep (and to be honest here) they have to use the um, facilities. (Plus as Mikey aptly pointed out, those hairy menfolk in Shredder's lair stink too, since they likely aren't showering enough.) How many guys will he keep adding? Surely there has to be a limit.

I do agree, Fishface has been unimportant lately and partially comic relief (even Shredder considered him useless when he pushed him out of the way in WormQuake). I definitely do think he's going to keep Tiger Claw as he is the strongest mutant on their team and Rahzar as he appeared to Shredder's 2nd hand man in "The Lonely Mutation of Baxter Stockman". Fishface might be getting the boot, but it seems pointless to do that when he just received a new weapon.Maybe they'll demutate him? It would be a way to 'put him on a bus' or even make him a very loose ally of the Turtles if Donnie offers to help him. I don't think he'd want to spend the rest of his life as a fish mutant.

[pennydreadful]

One thing I'm wondering about...is Shredder really going to keep Tiger Claw, Rahzar, Fishface, Baxter, Bebop AND Rocksteady all in his lair? Maybe Bradford and Xever will be getting the boot soon.

That is what I have been wondering too for a while. Where is he going to keep all of these people? How is he going to house them all? They all need to eat and have a place to sleep (and to be honest here) they have to use the um, facilities. (Plus as Mikey aptly pointed out, those hairy menfolk in Shredder's lair stink too, since they likely aren't showering enough.) How many guys will he keep adding? Surely there has to be a limit.

I now have this hilarious mental image of Shredder's mutants being a bunch of slackers, fighting over who gets the top bunk, lounging around on the couch in their boxer shorts, arguing over action movies and Shredder getting ticked off with supporting them all. You just know that none of them are paying rent. :lol:

Fishface has already been feeling rather pointless lately. Did he have any big role in Season 2 at all? Ever since Bradford mutated into Rahzar it seemed like Fishface became comic relief.

I really like Fishface/Xever - I do feel that he's been underutilized this season, so I hope that they give him some more screentime. I enjoyed what we got to learn about him in Baxter's Gambit.

It would be nice to group some of these into a faction...led by the Ice Cream Kitty. Admit it. You'd watch that.

I would watch the hell out of that! :lol:

[MCLeo28]

That is what I have been wondering too for a while. Where is he going to keep all of these people? How is he going to house them all? They all need to eat and have a place to sleep (and to be honest here) they have to use the um, facilities. (Plus as Mikey aptly pointed out, those hairy menfolk in Shredder's lair stink too, since they likely aren't showering enough.) How many guys will he keep adding? Surely there has to be a limit.

Maybe they'll demutate him? It would be a way to 'put him on a bus' or even make him a very loose ally of the Turtles if Donnie offers to help him. I don't think he'd want to spend the rest of his life as a fish mutant.

I doubt he would go against Shredder just to be demutated. It was made very clear in "Baxter's Gambit" that Xever was loyal to Shredder when he responded to Raphael's question, "So, why is a guy like you working for a creep like Shredder?" (Or something similar to this.) Also, Shredder's the main reason he's out of jail, so that's mostly why he chooses to stay with Shredder, to repay him for busting him out.

[Metalwolf]

I now have this hilarious mental image of Shredder's mutants being a bunch of slackers, fighting over who gets the top bunk, lounging around on the couch in their boxer shorts, arguing over action movies and Shredder getting ticked off with supporting them all. You just know that none of them are paying rent. :lol:
Plus many menfolk tend to end up not having such PG rated conversations when there's a bunch of other men around, and quite a few end up having those secretive funny mags they're so fond of for some reason. That's what I imagine men like to do, unless I don't know men that well. :ohwell:

I doubt he would go against Shredder just to be demutated. It was made very clear in "Baxter's Gambit" that Xever was loyal to Shredder when he responded to Raphael's question, "So, why is a guy like you working for a creep like Shredder?" (Or something similar to this.) Also, Shredder's the main reason he's out of jail, so that's mostly why he chooses to stay with Shredder, to repay him for busting him out. I'm also wondering if he just doesn't stay with Shredder now because he has nowhere to go. As a fish mutant, he can't really go anywhere (he needs Baxter to keep his breather gear maintained) and as a human Shredder would ship his butt back to jail or get him deported. It's hard to tell though since this season he hasn't really been developed much as others have said, and mostly degenerated down now to comic relief.

[blindturtle02]

Housing for Shredder's minions, huh? Well, I know we haven't seen it since the s1 finale, but there's always the Technodrome. I'd honestly like to see Shredder and crew move to this puppy eventually. Wonder how that alliance is going between Shredder and the Kraang, and if Bebop and Rocksteady might have anything to do with it's undoing or strengthening. Or Shredder could tighten his grip on the Purple Dragon gang and have them house some of the minions. They might be pretty compliant if threatened with a hoard of robotic Foot Soldiers. Or Shredder's mutants might be enough to sway them. Now if B and R turn out to be former Purple Dragon members, there's no telling what that might bring about. lol Housing all those mutants might prove to be a chore over time. Good imaginations, folks.

[Casey]

Housing for Shredder's minions, huh? Well, I know we haven't seen it since the s1 finale, but there's always the Technodrome. I'd honestly like to see Shredder and crew move to this puppy eventually. Wonder how that alliance is going between Shredder and the Kraang, and if Bebop and Rocksteady might have anything to do with it's undoing or strengthening. Or Shredder could tighten his grip on the Purple Dragon gang and have them house some of the minions. They might be pretty compliant if threatened with a hoard of robotic Foot Soldiers. Or Shredder's mutants might be enough to sway them. Now if B and R turn out to be former Purple Dragon members, there's no telling what that might bring about. lol Housing all those mutants might prove to be a chore over time. Good imaginations, folks.

Bebop in his ore mutated form is going to be in the next episode. Check out the preview clips. That's obviously him, unless they just recycled his design.

[Casey]

Here is Bebop's Human form, Took a little screen capture from the clip.

http://i58.tinypic.com/2le6y6r.jpg

Didn't see that someone had already posted a screencap.

[pennydreadful]

Plus many menfolk tend to end up not having such PG rated conversations when there's a bunch of other men around, and quite a few end up having those secretive funny mags they're so fond of for some reason. That's what I imagine men like to do, unless I don't know men that well. :ohwell:

Yeah, I can see it now... men's magazines scattered all over the "henchmen" quarters, empty packets of corn chips and empty bottles of protein shakes collecting dust in the corners, workout equipment, dirty dishes and piles of unwashed clothing everywhere... a miasma of body odour that you could cut with a knife, and fights constantly breaking out over whose turn it is on the X-box (or whatever video game machine they're choosing to use)... sounds like pure comedy fodder. :lol:

[DarthEmpress]

Bebop looks hot and crazy, but I'm depressed because, just like Xever, his awesome visage is going to be destroyed when he mutates. Of course, the #1 thing this show needs is more mutants...

[Metalwolf]

Yeah, I can see it now... men's magazines scattered all over the "henchmen" quarters, empty packets of corn chips and empty bottles of protein shakes collecting dust in the corners, workout equipment, dirty dishes and piles of unwashed clothing everywhere... a miasma of body odour that you could cut with a knife, and fights constantly breaking out over whose turn it is on the X-box (or whatever video game machine they're choosing to use)... sounds like pure comedy fodder. :lol:I think the aroma that all of these dudes would create would probably get to me the worst. Odds are they still sweat (and being men, they sweat profusely) and the stink would be a bad mixture of greasy hair smell, underarm odor, and testosterone (yes, that does have a smell.)

They'd probably have X-Box One or something, although they'd be putting with the annoying 11 year old brats that infest COD and Halo. I could see Tigerclaw getting mad at some of these kids the few times he does try the X-Box, yelling at them after some kid calls his mother a whore or he gets one-shot-killed by some dude using a haxx.

I would love to see hear their comments though when they watch a movie, especially if it turns out to be a bad one. Sometimes the best parts of a movie from what other people say while watching it, and I'd love to hear them rip on Troll or Leprechaun 4: In Space. :lol:


One thing I did think of when I say Bebop's post mutation picture is, it looks like most of his clothes are welded to his body now. Even his jacket, and maybe even his pants and visor. Won't that cause.. issues later? :ohwell:

[blindturtle02]

God! lol! Poor Bebop! Hadn't thought of that! This little piggy has problems.

[VaughnMichael]

I wonder if we haven't already seen Rocksteady's human form?
I was thinking perhaps it's this guy Steranko as Rocksteady seems to have quite a bit of gold on him from the image Playmates posted.
And he has two knuckles presumably made of gold (just like the image of Rocksteady.
http://turtlepedia.wikia.com/wiki/Steranko
I'm not going to lie, I'm more than sure it's going to be him.
I mean look at these 2
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v241/Harmophious/1000px-5WynupO_zps63528b83.png (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Harmophious/media/1000px-5WynupO_zps63528b83.png.html)
http://playmatestoys.com/uploads/brand/Rocksteady_bio_pu1.jpg
You can't tell me I'm not on to something here.

[blindturtle02]

That, and he's voiced by Fred Tatasciore who tends to voice somewhat beastly characters.

[MCLeo28]

That is actually an interesting observation and they do bear some similarities. It seems strange to me to have such a minor character play a huge part later, but the gold plating and the similar blue eyes probably does suggest that he will be Rocksteady.

[CyberCubed]

That guys looks way too tall to be Rocksteady. I really don't see it because he had such a minor role in the episode and they didn't make a big deal out of him at all.

[NitpickingMask]

That guys looks way too tall to be Rocksteady. I really don't see it because he had such a minor role in the episode and they didn't make a big deal out of him at all.

On other hand, character DOES have unique appearance that hasn't been reused.

Would be random though if Rocksteady is some random Russian mafia guy

[CyberCubed]

That's another thing, do you really think Rocksteady will have a Russian accent in the show? I can't see it.

[pennydreadful]

One thing I did think of when I say Bebop's post mutation picture is, it looks like most of his clothes are welded to his body now. Even his jacket, and maybe even his pants and visor. Won't that cause.. issues later? :ohwell:

As far as having excuses for smelling bad go... that's a pretty legit one! :lol:

I wonder if we haven't already seen Rocksteady's human form?
I was thinking perhaps it's this guy Steranko as Rocksteady seems to have quite a bit of gold on him from the image Playmates posted.
And he has two knuckles presumably made of gold (just like the image of Rocksteady.

I think you could definitely be onto something there!

[Ninjinister]

Shoot, you're absolutely right, Vaughn. Look at Rocksteady's golden knuckle plates. They have the hammer and sickle on them just as Steranko's do.

[CyberCubed]

I don't think that's Rocksteady they would never make him Russian. Like Bebop he probably hasn't been shown yet.

[Ninjinister]

I don't think that's Rocksteady they would never make him Russian. Like Bebop he probably hasn't been shown yet.

Shut up, Cubed.

Rocksteady's obviously got the hammer and sickle on his hands.

[NinjaPug]

Interesting find. Rocksteady could be Steranko or they could've just reused the shoulder spikes and knuckle plates from his design. Maybe we find out tomorrow.

[CyberCubed]

I think it's reused CG aspects. Rocksteady speaking with a Russian accent in every episode? That would be rather disturbing.

Plus this guy looks way too tall, if I remember he was Shredder's height in the episode.

Rocksteady looks short and pudgy, unlike Bebop who matches with his human design shown in this weeks preview.

[VaughnMichael]

Shoot, you're absolutely right, Vaughn. Look at Rocksteady's golden knuckle plates. They have the hammer and sickle on them just as Steranko's do.
Thanks, I think he's definitely the one more mutant Shredder wants to make.:)
I think it's reused CG aspects. Rocksteady speaking with a Russian accent in every episode? That would be rather disturbing.

Plus this guy looks way too tall, if I remember he was Shredder's height in the episode.

Rocksteady looks short and pudgy, unlike Bebop who matches with his human design shown in this weeks preview.
Who knows man, him becoming short could become an issue for him much like Xever losing his legs when he became a fish man.

[Ninjinister]

I think it's reused CG aspects.
You're a reused CG aspect.

Rocksteady speaking with a Russian accent in every episode? That would be rather disturbing.
Howwwwwww?

[VaughnMichael]

Howwwwwww?
Because he's racist.:lol:

[LivingMutagen]

That guys looks way too tall to be Rocksteady. I really don't see it because he had such a minor role in the episode and they didn't make a big deal out of him at all.

You haven't even seen how tall Rocksteady could be. And how can't you see it? He looks like he's from the army, has golden knuckles and shoulder thingies.

[Candy Kappa]

I wonder if we haven't already seen Rocksteady's human form?
I was thinking perhaps it's this guy Steranko as Rocksteady seems to have quite a bit of gold on him from the image Playmates posted.
And he has two knuckles presumably made of gold (just like the image of Rocksteady.
http://turtlepedia.wikia.com/wiki/Steranko
I'm not going to lie, I'm more than sure it's going to be him.
I mean look at these 2
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v241/Harmophious/1000px-5WynupO_zps63528b83.png (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Harmophious/media/1000px-5WynupO_zps63528b83.png.html)
http://playmatestoys.com/uploads/brand/Rocksteady_bio_pu1.jpg
You can't tell me I'm not on to something here.

Nice, it's the same hammer and sickle on their knuckle brass. It's definitively the same guy.

[CyberCubed]

Guys they're not going to have Rocksteady speak in a Russian accent. There is no way Rocksteady will start saying things like, "Da" and "For glory of mother Russia!"

Please this isn't a James Bond movie.

[TurtleTitan97]

I wonder if we haven't already seen Rocksteady's human form?
I was thinking perhaps it's this guy Steranko as Rocksteady seems to have quite a bit of gold on him from the image Playmates posted.
And he has two knuckles presumably made of gold (just like the image of Rocksteady.
http://turtlepedia.wikia.com/wiki/Steranko
I'm not going to lie, I'm more than sure it's going to be him.
I mean look at these 2
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v241/Harmophious/1000px-5WynupO_zps63528b83.png (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Harmophious/media/1000px-5WynupO_zps63528b83.png.html)
http://playmatestoys.com/uploads/brand/Rocksteady_bio_pu1.jpg
You can't tell me I'm not on to something here.

Whoa, nice job catching that! I can totally see him as Rocksteady.:tgrin:

Guys they're not going to have Rocksteady speak in a Russian accent. There is no way Rocksteady will start saying things like, "Da" and "For glory of mother Russia!"

Please this isn't a James Bond movie.

You really are ridiculous.

[Ninjinister]

Guys they're not going to have Rocksteady speak in a Russian accent. There is no way Rocksteady will start saying things like, "Da" and "For glory of mother Russia!"

Please this isn't a James Bond movie.

So now I'm convinced that you've never met a Russian person, either.

[Chaotix12345]

Interesting. So HE'S probably the one who hired Zeck to jack Shredder's helmet, then.

[CyberCubed]

I find it funny you guys are so quick to assume this elderly Russian General is Rocksteady. First of all the show reuses CG assets like crazy .

They reused Bradford's armor as Chrome Dome for goodness sakes. They had Spiderbitez human form in the background of the Pizzaface episode. They reused Ick's cat model as a stray alley cat in a different episode.

There is no way this guy is Rocksteady. I severely doubt they want Rocksteady to speak in a Russian accent.

[TurtleTitan97]

There is no way this guy is Rocksteady. I severely doubt they want Rocksteady to speak in a Russian accent.

Unless you work on the show, you have no way to prove that.

[pennydreadful]

C'mere Cubed... it's all gonna be ok.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7aPSLkDetNE/U3tnxwEBGII/AAAAAAAAC4c/vthjNAchZGw/s1600/hug.gif

:)

[Ninturtle]

I wonder if we haven't already seen Rocksteady's human form?
I was thinking perhaps it's this guy Steranko as Rocksteady seems to have quite a bit of gold on him from the image Playmates posted.
And he has two knuckles presumably made of gold (just like the image of Rocksteady.
http://turtlepedia.wikia.com/wiki/Steranko
I'm not going to lie, I'm more than sure it's going to be him.
I mean look at these 2
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v241/Harmophious/1000px-5WynupO_zps63528b83.png (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Harmophious/media/1000px-5WynupO_zps63528b83.png.html)
http://playmatestoys.com/uploads/brand/Rocksteady_bio_pu1.jpg
You can't tell me I'm not on to something here.
but why would a military person befriend a theif

[TurtleTitan97]

but why would a military person befriend a theif

He's not a military person. He's a criminal arms dealer.

[ssjup81]

I don't think that's Rocksteady they would never make him Russian. Like Bebop he probably hasn't been shown yet.Why not? He could be Russian...or not. Who knows.

[ssjup81]

Guys they're not going to have Rocksteady speak in a Russian accent. There is no way Rocksteady will start saying things like, "Da" and "For glory of mother Russia!"

Please this isn't a James Bond movie.This is the 21st Century, not Cold War US where that type of stuff was used or when Russians were generally always portrayed that way, like in the Rocky & Bullwinkle cartoons with Boris, Natasha, and Fearless Leader. Geez. The US is made of up of a multitude of people with many varying backgrounds. Maybe Rocksteady will be this possibly Russian guy, maybe not. No reason to stereotype.

[MCLeo28]

He's not a military person. He's a criminal arms dealer.

This and besides, there's an email on the "Official Info" thread that implies Bebop is working for somebody.

Not only that, don't you think it's abnormal for any random person to hire a thief just for a helmet of the Shredder? Only somebody who is associated with the Shredder would know the value of the helmet or would have a particularly good reason for stealing his helmet. This really only leaves Steranko, who's a wealthy enough man to hire a master thief in stealing his helmet. This could be seen as revenge as Steranko never really trusted Shredder, but still was associated with him until after the incident where his shipment of weapons was stolen/destroyed without at least getting his money's worth. This could been seen as an act of revenge for how the Shredder "deceived" him (even though it wasn't intentional, in his eyes, it could be seen that way).

@CyberCubed

He speaks nothing like that though. You honestly are over-exaggerating.

[CyberCubed]

The point is that guy spoke with a Russian accent and I don't want Rocksteady speaking like that.

[Retro-Specs]

Whoa... I was speculating this myself, that Steranko may be the one that hires Bebop, and then becomes Rocksteady. But now that the pictures are juxtaposed, I can really see it. Especially the knuckles - the left one has a little golden hammer on it in BOTH Steranko and Rocksteady's images, and Rocksteady is using an actual hammer that looks like it. Reminiscent of the hammer and sickle symbol of course.

I don't see anything particularly wrong with having Rocksteady have a Russian accent. The original 80s Rocksteady could have easily been of Russian descent. So now, he'll just have an accent and a different personality.

They may get a little cheesy with him, of course... "I am proud of Mother Russian - we are strong and steady, like rock! There! That will be my name! Rocksteady!"

Could happen.

[Mondo_Gecko]

Honestly, as long as Bebop & Rocksteady remain a Rhino and a warthog, I could honestly care less what they look or sound like as humans.

CyberCybed, I don't know why you are so adamantly opposed to any change. First Bebop had to be Black, then it's well, Bebop can't be a nickname, now you're upset if Rocksteady is Russian or not? Really? I love the 80s show too, but Bebop & Rocksteady's human forms were always so miniscule, and not defining character traits.

I could understand getting upset if Bebop & Rocksteady were not slapstick or goofy enough and were more serious portrayals but this?

I mean if it's "disturbing" as you call it, why not just watch the 80s cartoon in an infinite loop.

I just don't understand this stubborn resistant attitude to the tiniest of changes.

[rickwj324]

A big Russian Rhino... I'm fine with that. I never really thought of Bebop and Rocksteady as their human forms previously and could care less if they are Caucasian, African, Asian, etc. Same with Baxter. He's been a good character whether African or Caucasian.

[CyberCubed]

Perhaps Rocksteady is a minion of the Russian arms dealer and all of them in that gang wear the same golden bracelets.

I don't see that guy being Rocksteady because Shredder treated him as an equal. If Rocksteady is to be Shredder's minion I can't see how he can go from the leader of a militia group to a petty mutant

[Chaotix12345]

Or maybe...he isn't actually Shredder's minion in this incarnation. I dunno, Bebop and Rocksteady of all people having their own military-esque faction of villains actually sounds pretty neat to me. :lol:

[CyberCubed]

You see that's also the problem. Rocksteady and Bebop can't be equals if Rock is a militia Russian leader.

It just doesn't fit. I'm sure they'll work for Shredder as I can't see any point for them otherwise. I think Rocksteady will be much younger like Bebop....this Russian guy looks 50 years old.

[MCLeo28]

Perhaps Rocksteady is a minion of the Russian arms dealer and all of them in that gang wear the same golden bracelets.

I don't see that guy being Rocksteady because Shredder treated him as an equal. If Rocksteady is to be Shredder's minion I can't see how he can go from the leader of a militia group to a petty mutant

That seems a little odd for a minion to hire a thief. Why wouldn't the actual leader do it himself? Who said Rocksteady is going to be a petty mutant? It looks like you're making many assumptions. Many of the mutants shown have been major threats to the turtles esp. during their debut.

I guess we'll have to wait and see. While Steranko is a militia Russian leader, he's implied to be even weaker than a regular Foot Soldier, so him being Bebop's equal doesn't seem ridiculous to me. Mutations are random anyways, so Bebop can get an usually big powerup. We've seen many people esp. middle-aged men such as Vic who got mutated and managed to nearly destroy the turtles.

[TigerClaw]

Given how the Nick series takes some liberties on character origins, I wouldn't be surprise if that's what turns out to be Rocksteady.

You know how some characters on the show are In Name Only and are nothing like the originals.

[pennydreadful]

The point is that guy spoke with a Russian accent and I don't want Rocksteady speaking like that.

Why though? Assuming that you are serious here, and I'm not having a go at you either way - what is it about Rocksteady potentially having a Russian accent that bothers you? It's not like Rocksteady in the FW cartoon was ever particularly well-fleshed out, so it's hard to view it as character sabotage, from my perspective.

[ShreddHedd]

I find it funny you guys are so quick to assume this elderly Russian General is Rocksteady. First of all the show reuses CG assets like crazy .

They reused Bradford's armor as Chrome Dome for goodness sakes. They had Spiderbitez human form in the background of the Pizzaface episode. They reused Ick's cat model as a stray alley cat in a different episode.

There is no way this guy is Rocksteady. I severely doubt they want Rocksteady to speak in a Russian accent.

I think you've named the only character re-uses in the show. And they were all for background purposes. I'm like 99.9999965% sure that Steranko is going to be Rocksteady. The resemblance is uncanny, the shoulder plates, and the knuckles are dead giveaways. Why would a whole crew have the exact same accessories? Look at Shredder and Karai, similar garb, but not exactly the same. On top of that, Ciro's team tends to introduce character's early on and then use them later for bigger roles. Look at how Timmy became Mutagen Man. Steranko would be perfect in this case.

I severely doubt you know exactly what their team would or wouldn't do. These guys push a lot of boundaries and break conventions in fun ways.

[Coola Yagami]

Now that you mention it... Rocksteady does look kinda old... Crap. I'm beginning to think you guys are right. Maybe that theif guy will be Bebop. Especially if he's thin like that.

[CyberCubed]

Because his character and role doesn't fit Rocksteady. Why would the leader of a Russian arms dealer become a rhino mutant and go off on his own or teamed up with Bebop?

In the episode the General was as tall as Shredder was, yet I doubt Rocksteady will be that big, (If Rocksteady was that big he'd be Slash's size, and I doubt that).

Likewise Shredder and the Russian General viewed each other as equal business partners. To go from that to become a lackey like Fishface would be absurd. And yeah, I do think Bebop/Rocksteady will work for Shredder in either case.

Next, look at the big deal they're making out of Bebop's debut in the next episode. He's literally the main point of the episode (he steals Shredder's helmet), and they're introducing him as a big character. This Russian General got what...less than 5 minutes of screentime where he did virtually nothing because he was immediately knocked out by the Turtles? And since that episode he never returned or got another cameo since. Making him seem minor or low-key.

Since Bebop is getting an entire episode, I imagine Rocksteady's human form would get one too.

[pennydreadful]

Because his character and role doesn't fit Rocksteady. Why would the leader of a Russian arms dealer become a rhino mutant and go off on his own or teamed up with Bebop?

Why would a thief become a pig mutant? B & R were always pretty one-dimensional characters - why get upset over a reimagining in the new show?

Next, look at the big deal they're making out of Bebop's debut in the next episode. He's literally the main point of the episode (he steals Shredder's helmet), and they're introducing him as a big character. This Russian General got what...less than 5 minutes of screentime where he did virtually nothing because he was immediately knocked out by the Turtles? And since that episode he never returned or got another cameo since. Making him seem minor or low-key.

Since Bebop is getting an entire episode, I imagine Rocksteady's human form would get one too.

There's nothing to say that the Russian General couldn't get another episode to himself. Just because he only has five minutes in one episode doesn't mean they can't bring him back for more screentime and a bigger piece of the (pizza) pie later.

[CyberCubed]

The point is Bebop is still a thief or average guy. He doesn't seem to be in charge of a huge organization. He actually reminds me a lot of Xever.

[MikeandRaph87]

Did someone mention a Russian Rhino? :P Rocksteady may have some influence from another evil Rhino in this incarnation.
http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110614210228/marvelcomicsfanon/images/e/ef/Rhino-617.jpg

[Coola Yagami]

Because his character and role doesn't fit Rocksteady. Why would the leader of a Russian arms dealer become a rhino mutant and go off on his own or teamed up with Bebop?

In the episode the General was as tall as Shredder was, yet I doubt Rocksteady will be that big, (If Rocksteady was that big he'd be Slash's size, and I doubt that).

Likewise Shredder and the Russian General viewed each other as equal business partners. To go from that to become a lackey like Fishface would be absurd. And yeah, I do think Bebop/Rocksteady will work for Shredder in either case.

Next, look at the big deal they're making out of Bebop's debut in the next episode. He's literally the main point of the episode (he steals Shredder's helmet), and they're introducing him as a big character. This Russian General got what...less than 5 minutes of screentime where he did virtually nothing because he was immediately knocked out by the Turtles? And since that episode he never returned or got another cameo since. Making him seem minor or low-key.

Since Bebop is getting an entire episode, I imagine Rocksteady's human form would get one too.


Unless of course the general hires bebop and has this episode to himself. Who says they're gonna work for shredder anyways.

Not only that but after turning into animals the general and thief may have nowhere to go and shredder can take advantage of that.

[pennydreadful]

The point is Bebop is still a thief or average guy. He doesn't seem to be in charge of a huge organization. He actually reminds me a lot of Xever.

We don't know what could happen though - just because he was in charge of an organization when we first met him, doesn't mean that can't change prior to his mutation. He could have a deal go sour on him, one of his partners could stab him in the back and he could lose his status... heaps of things could change.

[CyberCubed]

It's not the human design of the general that bothers me, its mainly that I don't like the idea of Rocksteady speaking with a strong Russian accent. Its not like the mutation will suddenly change his accent to New Yorker speech.

It's like how Xever still kept his Brazillian accent after becoming Fishface, and that's fine for him because he's a new character and that's how he was created.

But I want Rocksteady to be a normal white guy, just like I'm so greatful Bebop is still a black dude with shades. I loved the fact that Bebop and Rocksteady were friends in the original toon, they were both part of a gang and one was white and one was black. It was great racial diversity.

[ssjup81]

Because his character and role doesn't fit Rocksteady. Why would the leader of a Russian arms dealer become a rhino mutant and go off on his own or teamed up with Bebop?

In the episode the General was as tall as Shredder was, yet I doubt Rocksteady will be that big, (If Rocksteady was that big he'd be Slash's size, and I doubt that).

Likewise Shredder and the Russian General viewed each other as equal business partners. To go from that to become a lackey like Fishface would be absurd. And yeah, I do think Bebop/Rocksteady will work for Shredder in either case.

Next, look at the big deal they're making out of Bebop's debut in the next episode. He's literally the main point of the episode (he steals Shredder's helmet), and they're introducing him as a big character. This Russian General got what...less than 5 minutes of screentime where he did virtually nothing because he was immediately knocked out by the Turtles? And since that episode he never returned or got another cameo since. Making him seem minor or low-key.

Since Bebop is getting an entire episode, I imagine Rocksteady's human form would get one too.Hm, maybe instead theorizing on why he can't become Rocksteady, why not speculate on the possibility if what could happen if he is and how his status will obviously drop after becoming a mutant.

No one here is really saying he WILL be Rocksteady, but that there's that possibility.

[Coola Yagami]

It's not the human design of the general that bothers me, its mainly that I don't like the idea of Rocksteady speaking with a strong Russian accent. Its not like the mutation will suddenly change his accent to New Yorker speech.

It's like how Xever still kept his Brazillian accent after becoming Fishface, and that's fine for him because he's a new character and that's how he was created.

But I want Rocksteady to be a normal white guy, just like I'm so greatful Bebop is still a black dude with shades. I loved the fact that Bebop and Rocksteady were friends in the original toon, they were both part of a gang and one was white and one was black. It was great racial diversity.

Have we seen pics of human bebop to confirm this or are you just assuming things. For all we know the guy can have a Jamaican accent. I'm also surprised you're not complaining that bebop is now a master thief which is as far away as an incompetent street thug can get.

[CyberCubed]

Have we seen pics of human bebop to confirm this or are you just assuming things. For all we know the guy can have a Jamaican accent.

Bebop's clip is in the official info thread, we see his design and hear his voice. He sounds like a typical New York black guy. I love it.

[TurFlytle]

Bebop's clip is in the official info thread, we see his design and hear his voice. He sounds like a typical New York black guy. I love it.

Yet you can't stand Russian Rocksteady... :roll:

[CyberCubed]

I don't think I can tolerate a Russian accent coming out of an established character like Rocksteady.

If they wanted to make a Russian mutant they could have just come up with an all new character like they do with all the other new mutants.

[ssjup81]

I don't think I can tolerate a Russian accent coming out of an established character like Rocksteady.

If they wanted to make a Russian mutant they could have just come up with an all new character like they do with all the other new mutants.
But what is wrong with Russian accents?

[CyberCubed]

But what is wrong with Russian accents?

There's nothing wrong with Russian accents, I just don't want Rocksteady to have a Russian accent.

Russian accents in kids cartoons are usually terribly done and forced anyway. They're always stereotypical too saying things like, "Da." all the time.

[ssjup81]

There's nothing wrong with Russian accents, I just don't want Rocksteady to have a Russian accent.

Russian accents in kids cartoons are usually terribly done and forced anyway. They're always stereotypical too saying things like, "Da." all the time.
That's German...isn't it?

But I could see where you're coming from when it comes to bad accents.

[CyberCubed]

That's German...isn't it?

But I could see where you're coming from when it comes to bad accents.

Da means "yes" in Russian. Nyet means "no."

Most shows with Russian characters constantly say "Da" and "Nyet" even when speaking in english.

[Coola Yagami]

I don't remember the general doing that. I doubt he's gonna suddenly start saying 'da' after mutation. Again, a closer look at rocksteady does show him lookin kinda old there. Bebop def looks way younger.

[CyberCubed]

I don't think the general is Rocksteady. This reminds me of when people thought Fon would be Bebop because they both have the similar skinny design with long legs.

Hell some people thought Xever would become Bebop because of the re-used CG assets on the long legs. See? That just proves they like re-using CG, not that any character will be the same.

[ssjup81]

Da means "yes" in Russian. Nyet means "no."

Most shows with Russian characters constantly say "Da" and "Nyet" even when speaking in english.I'm in Japan. Some people here, even when using English with me, may sometimes use "ne" at the end of some sentences. It's pretty usual, but I guess if you grew up outside of the country, maybe you wouldn't so much. They also use "ka na" a lot, even when speaking English, despite the phrase being Japanese. I've just gotten used to it....but I also have developed the habit of using "tabun" a lot, even when speaking English. I dunno.

Oh and yeah, you're right. "Dah" and "nyet" do mean yes and no. It's been a long time since I've ever heard anyone speak any kind of Russian or have ever come across it in media....unless Linka from Captain Planet counts or those old Warner Bros Wartime cartoons, which don't count anyway given that they were making fun of the Russians, Italians, Germans, and the Japanese, as they were all enemies of the US during that time.

That aside, I don't think it would bother me very much if they gave him such an accent, if he is going to mutate from this guy. If he is going to become Rocksteady, I'm curious as to how and why he would.

[Coola Yagami]

Except the cgi isn't reused. Rocksteady looks like the generals brass knuckles melted onto his own knuckles. The spiked shoulders are also different but based in that design. And he's using the hammer straight out of the design on the knuckles. Plus this looks like an older gruffer rocksteady. I'm 99% sure it's him and we'll see him hire Anton to steal shredders helmet tomorrow.

I know they're lazy but were never seen other characters using Aprils fan or wear Karai's jacket. They're not that bad. Yet.

[Machias Banshee]

You really are overreacting, Cubed... it's not That bad. I think it's a great turn of character for Rocksteady. Everything doesn't have to exactly match the old toon... it's a new show, after all! :P

If people don't remember what he sounded like, rewatch "Enemy of my Enemy". That is when Shredder does the arms deal....

[Coola Yagami]

You really are overreacting, Cubed... it's not That bad. I think it's a great turn of character for Rocksteady. Everything doesn't have to exactly match the old toon... it's a new show, after all! :P

If people don't remember what he sounded like, rewatch "Enemy of my Enemy". That is when Shredder does the arms deal....

I'm honestly surprised he's not flipping his **** because bebop is now a high tech thief skilled enough to steal shredders helmet instead of a street thug. Oh no! How dare Ciro change something from the old cartoon????

[ssjup81]

I know they're lazy but were never seen other characters using Aprils fan or wear Karai's jacket. They're not that bad. Yet.I've noticed a background character wearing Irma's clothes...

[Coola Yagami]

I've noticed a background character wearing Irma's clothes...

....someone give these guys a bigger budget.

[ssjup81]

....someone give these guys a bigger budget.Erm, well....maybe the clothes just looked similar. I kinda wish they had more background people in this show in general. It's New York, the city that never sleeps. There just isn't enough activity going on for NYC and I guess it's because they decided to do the show in CGI.

[Zulithe]

if the russian arms dealer is rocksteady then I have no problems with him having a russian accent... but I do kinda have a problem with them aging him up. B&R are both 'young goons' that's how they get swindled into becoming mutants. I like that they are kinda on the younger end of the spectrum, similar to the turtles so they make good counterparts.

meanwhile, newtralizer, rahzar and fishface all seem a bit older than the turtles. maybe not a lot, but they don't seem like teenagers or early 20-somethings.

Now, it seems like with Bebop he is still a youngish guy pre-mutation. But this arms dealer seems roughly as old as Shredder. He even says to shredder during the arms deal "What's wrong, don't you trust me? We're old friends"

[pennydreadful]

I loved the fact that Bebop and Rocksteady were friends in the original toon, they were both part of a gang and one was white and one was black. It was great racial diversity.

See, this is what makes me think that you're not nearly as awful as you like to come off... sometimes, you do say nice things. :)

[Ninjinister]

Da means "yes" in Russian. Nyet means "no."

Most shows with Russian characters constantly say "Da" and "Nyet" even when speaking in english.

DAH. Not "da".

People who are bilingual do tend to pepper their dialogue with the other language in real life, too, you know.

[Powder]

Is the general being Rocksteady just speculation or was this confirmed somewhere? I'd be fine with that.

[ssjup81]

Is the general being Rocksteady just speculation or was this confirmed somewhere? I'd be fine with that.I'm pretty sure it's only speculation.

[Ninjinister]

I'd laugh my butt off if Anton ended up being Rocksteady and Steranko was Bebop. :lol:

[NitpickingMask]

DAH. Not "da".

People who are bilingual do tend to pepper their dialogue with the other language in real life, too, you know.

As person who has studied Russian... Its spelled "da" in Latin letters.(да in cyrillic letters) I dunno whether its pronounced "dah" since English pronunciation guides are weird so I don't know if English person would say its pronounced "dah"

[evan2000]

After watching the new episode, there's no denying anymore...

Behold... Bebop and Rocksteady!

https://31.media.tumblr.com/0ad36f37d5a3f87aa8f7e4f87354100e/tumblr_n77b8h742v1rj6kxdo1_1280.jpg

And Steranko does speak "Da" multiple times in the episode :lol:

[Powder]

WTF man. Most of the world hasn't seen the episode yet, SPOILER THAT! I can see you're new and all but jeez man you gotta have some consideration for the rest of us. :tmad:

[NitpickingMask]

Ya know, isn't Steranko EXTREMELY stereotypical Russian bad guy? To possibly silly/offensive degree?

I mean, he wears winter coat(type associated with Russians for some reason) despite it not being winter and he has symbols of soviet union on his brass knuckles. Only thing we need is for him to say something about Mother Russia and say "comrade" a lot and he has fulfilled all cliches <_<

[CyberCubed]

God I hope the mutation washes away his Russian accent.

[BubblyShell22]

Ha, that's awesome. I'd love for Steranko to be Rocksteady and it looks like he's going to be. Neat. I don't care if Rocksteady has a Russian accent this time around because it's a different take on the character. You're living in the past, Cubed, and that's a shame.

[CyberCubed]

I don't want a Russian Rocksteady. :(

Maybe the mutation can alter his vocal cords making him speak like a New Yorker. I don't want Rocksteady to say things like, "Da" in the show. Ugh I'm not looking forward to this.

Nick got all the other classic characters right, it would be a shame if they mess up the iconic Rocksteady.

[evan2000]

WTF man. Most of the world hasn't seen the episode yet, SPOILER THAT! I can see you're new and all but jeez man you gotta have some consideration for the rest of us. :tmad:
Sorry guys, yes I'm new here and I'll learn the lesson for next time. Thanks Jester for helping me to SPOILER it!

[Jester]

No problem.

And Cubed...it's a new series. I mean Rahzar is a totally different take on a "classic" character. Why not the characters that will become Bebop and Rocksteady?

[Electric]

Cubed, you got the bebop you wanted, you're just going to have to deal with a different rocksteady.

[CyberCubed]

No problem.

And Cubed...it's a new series. I mean Rahzar is a totally different take on a "classic" character. Why not the characters that will become Bebop and Rocksteady?

But Rahzar isn't as important as Bebop/Rocksteady prior to Nick. One movie and one episode of the OT was all he had.

Bebop and Rocksteady were in like 150 episodes and are incredibly iconic. Even IDW had their human forms being pretty much the same and them both being street punks.

Plus most older fans have sentimental attachment to these two. I find their human forms distinctive. I want Rocksteady to speak like a New Yorker.

It's a shame he's now some Eastern European Russian General instead of a white street punk. This is the only time I would approve of whitewashing with his accent being removed after being mutation.

Rocksteady speaking like a Russian militia leader doesn't sit well with me.

[NitpickingMask]

It's a shame he's now some Eastern European Russian General instead of a white street punk.

Are we sure hes actually a general and not a random Russian bad guy who acts incredibly stereotypical? :P Seriously, why would he wear that coat in new york? When its not a winter? That doesn't seem very smart

[Coola Yagami]

But Rahzar isn't as important as Bebop/Rocksteady prior to Nick. One movie and one episode of the OT was all he had.

Bebop and Rocksteady were in like 150 episodes and are incredibly iconic. Even IDW had their human forms being pretty much the same and them both being street punks.

Plus most older fans have sentimental attachment to these two. I find their human forms distinctive. I want Rocksteady to speak like a New Yorker.

It's a shame he's now some Eastern European Russian General instead of a white street punk. This is the only time I would approve of whitewashing with his accent being removed after being mutation.

Rocksteady speaking like a Russian militia leader doesn't sit well with me.

No one cares anymore. It's not the 80s show. You're lucky they're in the show at all since shredder already had enough mutant minions.

I'm all for Russian rocksteady. I'd actually be annoyed if his voice changes upon mutation since no one else (except Snakeweed) really lost their original voice upon mutation.

Clearly this show is not for you. Go back to your annual watching if the entire 80s and 2k3 series and leave this show alone. You already kicked Ciro out of this forum, what else do you want???

[CyberCubed]

I just don't get why Rocksteady has to be Russian. I am not a fan of race changing for established characters.

[Overlordofnobodies]

I think there is a very good chance that the Rocksteady is the Russian army guy.

First he does sort of look like the human rocksteady. Blone hair, white skin and big body. All so see as the russian guy has some what a army theme all ready it will not be surpising that he wear army pants. All so thethe thing on his hands and shoulders do sort of match the image we saw of Rocksteady. All was not Rocksteady holding a hammer of sort sort in his image?

That said the big reason I can think of is because the guy was with the guy that will become Bebop. I dont see one showing up with out the otherclose by. Plus see as both try to steal from the Shredder. I can see why they will become Bebop and Rocksteady.

I just don't get why Rocksteady has to be Russian. I am not a fan of race changing for established characters.
I dont see how you can say that. Rocksteady never had a race before. He was just a blonde white guy before his change. The guy that will become Bebop sound or act nothing like any other Bebop I have seen or read.

So I dont get why you sound so upset that Rocksteady could be Russian.

[Coola Yagami]

Exactly. The more I see Anton, the less I think bebop. He's bebop in appearance only. He reminds me of fatal Fury's duck king more than anything.

[TigerClaw]

Keep in mind that the Nickelodeon series takes huge liberties on characters, They are not gonna be like how we remembered them. I have no problem with that, since this series is its own thing.

[Coola Yagami]

Keep in mind that the Nickelodeon series takes huge liberties on characters, They are not gonna be like how we remembered them. I have no problem with that, since this series is its own thing.

Bingo. The show is it's own thing. Don't like it. Watch the 80s show then. This bebop is 100% different than the original. Where are the complaints there Cubed? Hypocrit.

[TigerClaw]

Bingo. The show is it's own thing. Don't like it. Watch the 80s show then. This bebop is 100% different than the original. Where are the complaints there Cubed? Hypocrit.
And the IDW comic shows Bebop and Rocksteady how you remembered them, So they have that too.

[Luckyday]

Man, I was really dreading these characters to appear but with this new take on them with so personality and style, I'm want to see them again. I just hope that they stay interesting in future episodes.

[VaughnMichael]

Is the general being Rocksteady just speculation or was this confirmed somewhere? I'd be fine with that.
I was guessing and I'm pretty sure it's confirmed after today's episode.
God I hope the mutation washes away his Russian accent.
Dude, seriously just knock it off already.:roll:
I find it funny you guys are so quick to assume this elderly Russian General is Rocksteady. First of all the show reuses CG assets like crazy .

They reused Bradford's armor as Chrome Dome for goodness sakes. They had Spiderbitez human form in the background of the Pizzaface episode. They reused Ick's cat model as a stray alley cat in a different episode.

There is no way this guy is Rocksteady. I severely doubt they want Rocksteady to speak in a Russian accent.
How's it feel to be wrong time and time again? Just let the past go dude and you will enjoy this show so much more!!:)

[MCLeo28]

Didn't watch episode.

All I saw was Cubed hoping for no Russian accent.

So we were right. Well, I can't wait to see the episode, but I'm going to be busy this morning.

[Bry]

Is the general being Rocksteady just speculation or was this confirmed somewhere? I'd be fine with that.

Well...

The general has the same ice-blue eye colour, has a gold tooth, and gold spiked shoulder pads and brass knuckles. The leaked Rocksteady art also shows him with all of those details. So it's pretty much a guarantee.

[NoName999]

I just don't get why Rocksteady has to be Russian. I am not a fan of race changing for established characters.

He's still ****ing white!

[Retro-Specs]

Plus most older fans have sentimental attachment to these two. I find their human forms distinctive. I want Rocksteady to speak like a New Yorker.

It's a shame he's now some Eastern European Russian General instead of a white street punk. This is the only time I would approve of whitewashing with his accent being removed after being mutation.

Rocksteady speaking like a Russian militia leader doesn't sit well with me.

As one of those "older fans" that's been following the series since season 1 aired in '87, I must say you are very much overreacting. Yes, I have a sentimental attachment to B & R. I used to roleplay as them in Kindergarten with my friends. We loved those guys. I'm sure you can relate, Cubed.

Now you have Nick coming along, taking old characters and giving them a new twist - and it definitely has a lot of potential. Bebop looks like his old human form more-or-less, but his personality is much different. And Rocksteady... during the (Brief) time we see him in his human form in the OT, he is a big, blond white dude and shows himself to be a leader (He appears to lead the gang when they confront April).

So really, those traits did carry over, and all they really did is make him older and Russian. He wears those gold knuckles, so it's pretty plausible that he got his start leading a gang (Or Russian mafia) and later became powerful through arms dealing. Who's to say that the OT Rocksteady wouldn't have gotten into organized crime later in life, had he not been employed and mutated by Shredder? That seems to be Nick's thought pattern here - older versions of B & R who have moved on from simple gangs and gotten into more serious stuff, and only know each other through some job that was done in the past - and what's wrong with that? It's basically the same as how they're using younger versions of April, Casey and Irma, and tweaked them to suit the show.

Personally, I love the Fred Wolf show for what it is, and I love the Nick show for what it is. Both are awesome and unique in their own ways and interpretations of the franchise's character. Instead of being upset that Nick isn't carbon-copying everything, just enjoy both the old and the new for what they are - or drop what you don't like and leave it alone for others to enjoy.

[ssjup81]

OT Bebop and Rocksteady were interesting.

I still feel that in the beginning, they weren't so bad. They were mutated, but as a result they were clumsier and slower, but also really strong. The turtles did have a time fighting them in the season 1 eps then later on they made them really dumb...although they had their moments where they said something smart or significant. I love how Bebop wanted to talk about his view on world affairs in that Zipp or either Grybxx ep when April was stalling for time by interviewing him.

In all honesty, though, the thing I loved about the two was Berry and Cam's voicing of them.

[ninja-zero]

So the thief will later be mutated into a warthog named Bebop?

Wonder about who'll be Rocksteady. It better not be that Russian general, it should be someone else.

I bet they'll get captured by Shredder's mutant henchmen in some episode and get mutated by them with some remaining mutagen as a consequence for challenging them. And they'll be forced to serve Shredder forever.

And perhaps they'll learn some advanced ninjutsu from Shredder, Tiger Claw, Rahzar & Fishface.

[NitpickingMask]

Huh, Steranko sounds like smarter Heavy Weapons Guy from TF2

But yeah, I'm not sure if I misheard, but he seems to with incorrect grammar .-.

[TurtleTitan97]

Wonder about who'll be Rocksteady. It better not be that Russian general, it should be someone else.



The new episode today pretty much confirmed that Steranko is going to be this series version of Rocksteady. I say bring it on, he's a cool character.

And for the last time guys, he's not a Russian general, he's an arms dealer.

[NoName999]

The only downside of Steranko becoming Rocksteady is, once again, another damn waste of a good human CGI model.

It's getting ridiculous.

[NitpickingMask]

The only downside of Steranko becoming Rocksteady is, once again, another damn waste of a good human CGI model.

It's getting ridiculous.

Well, at least he won't look stereotypical russian bad guy anymore :P

I guess he will still sound like the Heavy Weapons Guy

[ssjup81]

Huh, Steranko sounds like smarter Heavy Weapons Guy from TF2

But yeah, I'm not sure if I misheard, but he seems to with incorrect grammar .-.Yeah, he spoke a bit of broken English.

[BabyTurtles]

The only downside of Steranko becoming Rocksteady is, once again, another damn waste of a good human CGI model.

It's getting ridiculous.

yea I really liked his design XD his eye was cool.

I just really want a human organization that hunts mutants.

[TurFlytle]

yea I really liked his design XD his eye was cool.

I just really want a human organization that hunts mutants.

Or Bishop (if it happens) and don't have him mutate. We should have some more mutants demutated. In a few months, I think New York is going to have nothing but mutants. :roll:

http://preview.images.memegenerator.net/Instance/Preview?imageID=1793055&generatorTypeID=&panels=&text0=Mutants&text1=Mutants%20eVErywhere%20&text2=&text3=

[Ninja Tiptup]

I for one like the idea of Russian Rocksteady. In the old cartoon he had a thuggish New Yorker voice and while that was fun, I think he'll sound great with a gruff Russian accent.

I'm also curious how JB Smooth will sound as post-Mutation Bebop. His voice fits Anton as a human great but I'd imagine a warthog man would sound a bit different just as Clancy Brown sounds different voicing Rahzar than he did as a human. Though Xever's voice didn't change much if at all when he became a fish.

I also like the idea that Bebop and Rocksteady aren't just a couple of street thugs. Zeck being a cyberpunk thief and the other guy being a militaristic brawler offers a different fighting style than Xever, Bradford or Tiger Claw.

It is a bit of a shame the human versions of these characters don't get much screen time but creatures make better toys and creatures, robots and vehicles are where this show is going to continue to remind us it is intended to sell toys.

[Coola Yagami]

I wonder if he'll also become more of a fighter after mutating. Anton was a thief, not a fighter and he relied on all his tricks and gimmicks to get by. He was pretty much defenseless once his suit powered down.

[BubblyShell22]

Anton will have to learn about fighting more once he becomes Bebop unless he gets to keep some of the tech gear with him along with his mutation. Still, it's going to be interesting to see where this goes.

[CyberCubed]

The fact that we have two names for Bebop and Rocksteady is sad in itself. I wish the Russian accent after mutation is removed.

[MrTMNT2012]

The fact that we have two names for Bebop and Rocksteady is sad in itself. I wish the Russian accent after mutation is removed.

If you are truly 'saddened' by simple name changes to the HUMAN forms of Bebop & Rocksteady then it baffles me how you are able to watch this show in general without getting depressed...

[CyberCubed]

It's the same problem with spike/slash or Falco/Rat King.

Why does everyone need two names? I understand Xever and Bradford but for everyone else? Why can't Bebop and Rocksteady just be their names from the start?

[MrTMNT2012]

It's the same problem with spike/slash or Falco/Rat King.

Why does everyone need two names? I understand Xever and Bradford but for everyone else? Why can't Bebop and Rocksteady just be their names from the start?

Cause I'm sure it leads into a gag with Mike trying to find new sillier names for them...

[JTH]

It's the same problem with spike/slash or Falco/Rat King.

Why does everyone need two names? I understand Xever and Bradford but for everyone else? Why can't Bebop and Rocksteady just be their names from the start?
So you wanted Falco to be called "Rat King" right from the start?

Let's call a Russian "Rocksteady" because...that makes sense right?

To hell with origin stories right? Who needs 'em?

Some times, it actually is appropriate. You should choose the ones that aren't.

[ssjup81]

It's the same problem with spike/slash or Falco/Rat King.

Why does everyone need two names? I understand Xever and Bradford but for everyone else? Why can't Bebop and Rocksteady just be their names from the start?Man, I'm glad that Rat King has an origin story. For the OT series, I hated the fact that there wasn't much to him and I felt this way even as a kid. I liked his strangeness and wanted to know more about him, but it just wasn't shown. I always wanted to know what he was like before he became Rat King or how he came to live in the sewers and all that stuff. I'm so glad the Nick version did something with him.

OT Rat King, to me, just seemed to be some weirdo who had an unnatural obsession with rats with a hardon for Splinter. *shudders* Well, of course I didn't think that as a child, but I did feel he had a strange liking towards Splinter.

Nick's Rat King went crazy from an experiment gone wrong and now his mind is more warped than it already was.

I still don't get why you're having an issue with these characters having normal lives (or something close to it) prior to mutations and freak accidents, especially if the character started out human. In the real world, we're usually given names by our parents, right? It makes sense. The exceptions are those who started off as animals in the first place.

[Bry]

Worth noting, if nobody else has yet... but Zeck and Steranko are almost assuredly named after Mike Zeck (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Zeck) and Jim Steranko (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Steranko), two hugely influential comic artists.

[ranger_scout]

Keep in mind that the Nickelodeon series takes huge liberties on characters, They are not gonna be like how we remembered them. I have no problem with that, since this series is its own thing.

Bingo. The show is it's own thing. Don't like it. Watch the 80s show then. This bebop is 100% different than the original. Where are the complaints there Cubed? Hypocrit.

It's surprising that some people still think this series is MAINLY a remake of the 1987 series. Just because Irma, Bebop, and Rocksteady are a part of this series does not mean it is a DIRECT REMAKE. Baxter Stockman in the 1987 was Caucasian while the one in this series was African-American. April and Irma are teenagers and not adults. Each TV series has its own universe, which was explained in Turtles Forever and the episode with the cameos of the original turtles.

[Coola Yagami]

The fact that we have two names for Bebop and Rocksteady is sad in itself. I wish the Russian accent after mutation is removed.

It won't be. Deal with it. There is no damn reason for a person's matter of speaking to just change like that. Why didn't Yoshi lose the Japanese accent when he became splinter?

[TurtleTitan97]

The fact that we have two names for Bebop and Rocksteady is sad in itself. I wish the Russian accent after mutation is removed.

Too bad, it won't. Deal with it.

Either you suck it up, or quit watching the show. Those are your only options.

[pennydreadful]

Too bad, it won't. Deal with it.

Either you suck it up, or quit watching the show. Those are your only options.

Wait... complaining on the internet isn't an option anymore?

http://static.fjcdn.com/comments/nerdrage+rolled+a+random+image+posted+in+comment+4 +at+_b41e767a355096712974f75c40b975eb.jpg

j/k ;)

[Electric]

It's the same problem with spike/slash or Falco/Rat King.

Why does everyone need two names? I understand Xever and Bradford but for everyone else? Why can't Bebop and Rocksteady just be their names from the start?

Yes, That makes sense. Humans named bebop and rocksteady. And they should've just had dr falco been named dr rat king right? Ooh, and not Vic, he was just named spiderbytes his entire life, just a random coincidence he mutated into a spider.

My question for you is: how does xever and Bradford having 2 names make sense to you, yet zeck and steranko do not?

[ShredderX633]

While I personally don't mind at all the ideas of new names, I see why some are mixed about the voices. At the very moment, Snakeweed and even Mutagen Man had their voices warped. Heck Kirby, Tyler and Stockman lost their voices and I really am not a fan that Baxter can't talk anymore. Hopefully he can maybe get a translator like Newtralizer and hopefully not that computer friend he had in the original.

[Xav]

But Rahzar isn't as important as Bebop/Rocksteady prior to Nick. One movie and one episode of the OT was all he had.No, we also had two video games, action figures, and Turtles Forever. He already was one of the more popular characters.
Heck Kirby, Tyler and Stockman lost their voices and I really am not a fan that Baxter can't talk anymore. Hopefully he can maybe get a translator like Newtralizer and hopefully not that computer friend he had in the original.What are you talking about? We have seen Baxter talk post-mutation.

[CyberCubed]

Baxter didn't talk in the newest episode for some reason.

[Xav]

Phil LaMarr was probability busy.

[snake]

It's the same problem with spike/slash or Falco/Rat King.

Why does everyone need two names? I understand Xever and Bradford but for everyone else? Why can't Bebop and Rocksteady just be their names from the start?

Becuase that's stupid and no one names their kid "Bebop" or "Rocksteady".

[Jester]

Becuase that's stupid and no one names their kid "Bebop" or "Rocksteady".
I debated naming my son Bebop Rocksteady but his mom put her foot down...
[/sarcasm]

[snake]

I debated naming my son Bebop Rocksteady but his mom put her foot down...
[/sarcasm]

Heh.


I laughed at that.

[Zulithe]

Becuase that's stupid and no one names their kid "Bebop" or "Rocksteady".

Well, we do live in a world where people name their children things like Ajax, Cheese, Anal, Cricket, Feline... :lol:

http://thestir.cafemom.com/baby/165882/the_25_most_outrageous_baby

At least Bebop has some funk to it and Rocksteady sounds strong :twink::twink:

[snake]

Well, we do live in a world where people name their children things like Ajax, Cheese, Anal, Cricket, Feline... :lol:

http://thestir.cafemom.com/baby/165882/the_25_most_outrageous_baby

At least Bebop has some funk to it and Rocksteady sounds strong :twink::twink:

"Hey Cheese! Get over here!"

[Ninjinister]

Well, we do live in a world where people name their children things like Ajax, Cheese, Anal, Cricket, Feline... :lol:

http://thestir.cafemom.com/baby/165882/the_25_most_outrageous_baby

At least Bebop has some funk to it and Rocksteady sounds strong :twink::twink:

Vernon's on that list... o.O

[BubblyShell22]

Yeah, there are some crazy names out there like Placenta and Apple. However, I like that Bebop and Rocksteady have human names and have origins along with them. There's nothing wrong with that. You're just making it more than it should be, Cubed, and you really need to just get a life.

[Storm Eagle]

Well, we do live in a world where people name their children things like Ajax, Cheese, Anal, Cricket, Feline... :lol:

http://thestir.cafemom.com/baby/165882/the_25_most_outrageous_baby


Anal. Good lord. :roll:
Yeah, there are some crazy names out there like Placenta and Apple.

I once heard about someone who named their daughter Placenta.

Remember Blossom, where Six was named that because that's how many beers it took to conceive her?

[CyberCubed]

I really don't see how Bebop and Rocksteady are weird names for cartoon characters to be born with. They are not real people.

[Discogod]

Anal. Good lord. :roll:

My job is basically processing immigration forms from people from all over the world, and I see some ridiculous names (Brown Justice and Titty Dindong are my favourites) - "Anal" seems to be a very popular girl's name in India & the surrounding countries. I think it's pronounced "An-all"...


I don't really have any opinion on the changed origins of Bebop and Rocksteady, but I am deriving a great deal of schadenfreude from Cubed's reactions...:lol:

[Coola Yagami]

I really don't see how Bebop and Rocksteady are weird names for cartoon characters to be born with. They are not real people.

Because they're trying to make the show take place with some sort of semblance of reality. Otherwise all the weirdness wouldn't really be all that weird. It's a cartoon but it's not exactly bugs bunny.

[Storm Eagle]

My job is basically processing immigration forms from people from all over the world, and I see some ridiculous names (Brown Justice and Titty Dindong are my favourites) - "Anal" seems to be a very popular girl's name in India & the surrounding countries. I think it's pronounced "An-all"...



I used to work at a health center inputting information from patient encounters, so I've also seen my share of the oddest names.

I believe that "Butt" is also a common surname with Middle Easterners, but maybe that's pronounced differently too.

[OtakuX]

It's pretty clear the guy is Rocksteady. Look at his uniform. He has spiked gold bars on his shoulders, and some sort of gold bars on his hands. Now look at Rocksteady. Spiked gold shoulder pads, and what appear to be gold bars 'melted' into his skin. No way is that a coincidence.

[Universal_Adam]

It's not the human design of the general that bothers me, its mainly that I don't like the idea of Rocksteady speaking with a strong Russian accent. Its not like the mutation will suddenly change his accent to New Yorker speech.

It's like how Xever still kept his Brazillian accent after becoming Fishface, and that's fine for him because he's a new character and that's how he was created.

But I want Rocksteady to be a normal white guy, just like I'm so greatful Bebop is still a black dude with shades. I loved the fact that Bebop and Rocksteady were friends in the original toon, they were both part of a gang and one was white and one was black. It was great racial diversity.

DUDE. YOU NEED TO LET GO.
If you want 80's Bebop and Rocksteady, they sell the whole 80's DVD set on Amazon. It even comes in a neat package.
This is NOT the Bebop and Rocksteady of the 80's.

Steranko IS Rocksteady. Gold tooth, Blue eyes, Hammer and Sickle "Brass" Knuckles.
Zeck IS Bebop. That's obvious. I'm sure you, cubed got an instant erection when you saw he is going to be black. Mozel Tov.

Anyway, my theory is that Shredder, enraged that his Helmet was stolen, Mutates Steranko and Zeck into Bebop and Rocksteady and they become RIVALS of Shredder, not Hench Men. Not to say they're good guys, because they're crooks, so obviously they'll have beef with the turtles, but I think they'll be they're own people, not dopey lovable henchmen.

[Metalwolf]

Anyway, my theory is that Shredder, enraged that his Helmet was stolen, Mutates Steranko and Zeck into Bebop and Rocksteady and they become RIVALS of Shredder, not Hench Men. Not to say they're good guys, because they're crooks, so obviously they'll have beef with the turtles, but I think they'll be they're own people, not dopey lovable henchmen.Oh I hope they become rivals! That would be such a nice change, and it feel much more 'realistic' then if they got mutated and they just became more mere underlings. They aren't afraid of him like Baxter is, so they can't be easily cowed into joining. Plus Sterenko has connections and money, which goes a long way towards ensuring that he won't be powerless if he does take up a revenge rivalry.

Besides, Shredder badly needs a rival anyway instead of just the Turtles, as the current status quo is getting a bit boring. I thought Bradford was going to do it once he got mutated again, but alas that was not to be.

[BubblyShell22]

Bebop and Rocksteady as rivals would be awesome to see and definitely a new twist considering they both stole Shredder's helmet, and he won't want to welcome them into the fold because of that.

[CyberCubed]

Bebop and Rocksteady should be best friends, not rivals. People want to see them together, not solo. They shouldn't change things for the sake of changing things.

Its always, "Bebop and Rocksteady," not, "just Bebop" or "just Rocksteady."

Its a rule and the law of the land, I doubt they'll change it since they were already shown to be close buddies.

[MiBs]

they are talking about Shredders rivals, not each others

[BubblyShell22]

^This entirely. You really need to read things more carefully, Cubed.

[Huzzah]

I'm hoping for them to act as rivals to the Shredder as well, though I wouldn't be too terribly surprised if Karai broke away from Shredder and linked up with the two of them, firming their own little facet. It's not like Karai will immediately turn over a new leaf and be good, she was raised to be bad, and frankly I don't see her joining the Turtle Family.

[Metalwolf]

I'm hoping for them to act as rivals to the Shredder as well, though I wouldn't be too terribly surprised if Karai broke away from Shredder and linked up with the two of them, firming their own little facet. It's not like Karai will immediately turn over a new leaf and be good, she was raised to be bad, and frankly I don't see her joining the Turtle Family.If that happens I don't think they'll be her henchmen either, I think it will be more like a partnership. Steranko wants revenge, Anton wants revenge, Karai wants revenge. It's like a perfect match made in hell. :lol:

Also I could see Steranko manipulating her or being the leader over her. He still has a power base while she doesn't (since she was cast out) and she'd have to do what he wants if she ever desires to have her part of the revenge against Shredder. He has weapons and vehicles, she doesn't. He has resources at his disposal, she doesn't. He has money and influence, she doesn't. She'll have to get used to getting orders from him and she can't be a snot about it either, or he'll not help her at all.

At least this is my theory, as I could be wrong. :D

[MCLeo28]

I'm hoping for them to act as rivals to the Shredder as well, though I wouldn't be too terribly surprised if Karai broke away from Shredder and linked up with the two of them, firming their own little facet. It's not like Karai will immediately turn over a new leaf and be good, she was raised to be bad, and frankly I don't see her joining the Turtle Family.

Why not? She was very well attached to Splinter once she realized that he was actually her father, she risked her life to save the Turtles against Tiger Claw, and also wasn't even moved by Shredder's words which could imply she didn't consider Splinter pathetic or scum at all.

I can definitely see her siding with the turtles, but if she doesn't, then it would have to be a reason like not wanting to endanger the turtles by staying with them (as that would want Shredder to regain his "daughter").

[drgon78]

I hope they are rivals for Shredder as well, in fact I would like to see Baxter join them against Shredder.

[BubblyShell22]

Why not? She was very well attached to Splinter once she realized that he was actually her father, she risked her life to save the Turtles against Tiger Claw, and also wasn't even moved by Shredder's words which could imply she didn't consider Splinter pathetic or scum at all.

I can definitely see her siding with the turtles, but if she doesn't, then it would have to be a reason like not wanting to endanger the turtles by staying with them (as that would want Shredder to regain his "daughter").

Exactly. Plus, she felt guilty when she realized she'd betrayed their Lair to Tiger Claw. If she didn't want to join them, she would have just never gone there and talked to Splinter. And if she's going to be mutated, it makes sense for her to stay with the Turtles as they're the only family she really has now that she's going to leave the Foot.

[OtakuX]

While I don't think it would happen, I think it would be interesting if Karai teamed up with them to try and take over the Foot, rather than just get revenge. She's led the foot in other versions, so it wouldn't be completely out there.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Bebop and Rocksteady should be best friends, not rivals. People want to see them together, not solo. They shouldn't change things for the sake of changing things.

Its always, "Bebop and Rocksteady," not, "just Bebop" or "just Rocksteady."

Its a rule and the law of the land, I doubt they'll change it since they were already shown to be close buddies.

I don't understand why you're so obsessed with Rocksteady and Bebop, and Wingnut for that matter, acting exactly like they did in the OT and yet you have no problem with the way they changed Rat King, Rahzar, and Mutagen Man, as well as no Tokka hanging out with Rahzar.

[snake]

I don't understand why you're so obsessed with Rocksteady and Bebop, and Wingnut for that matter, acting exactly like they did in the OT and yet you have no problem with the way they changed Rat King, Rahzar, and Mutagen Man, as well as no Tokka hanging out with Rahzar.

He actually did have a problem with Rat King back when he was first revealed....

[Mona_Lisa]

Playmates has a couple of images of there toylines for the Nick TMNT series, And apparently, It shows what appeared to be is some Concept art of Bebop and Rocksteady, Could these be what they will look like in the series?

Bebop

http://playmatestoys.com/uploads/brand/Beebop_bio_pu1.jpg

Rocksteady

http://playmatestoys.com/uploads/brand/Rocksteady_bio_pu1.jpg

Rocksteady Is awesome, Bebop looks kinda strange to me but I am sure it will grow on me. I hated Kari's design, But now I like it!!!!:D
I still hate the rat king though!

[snake]

Rocksteady Is awesome, Bebop looks kinda strange to me but I am sure it will grow on me. I hated Kari's design, But now I like it!!!!:D
I still hate the rat king though!

Why do you hate the Rat King? I think he's the best incarnation of him yet.

[ssjup81]

I really like the Rat King for this version because there's more to him and there are more reasons and motivations for his actions, despite the simplicity. I wish OT Rat King or Archie Rat King was done in this. A reason as to why he's around rats and how he controls them.

[TigerClaw]

I really like the Rat King for this version because there's more to him and there are more reasons and motivations for his actions, despite the simplicity. I wish OT Rat King or Archie Rat King was done in this. A reason as to why he's around rats and how he controls them.
Yeah, I kind of wish the Rat King in the Nick Series were more like the OT series too, I'm not feeling the whole disfigured look.

[Mona_Lisa]

Why do you hate the Rat King? I think he's the best incarnation of him yet.

Well, he frightens my kids and he is gross lol!:P But that is just my opinion!
It is cool how he has some backstory now as opposed to 80's toon.

Yeah, I kind of wish the Rat King in the Nick Series were more like the OT series too, I'm not feeling the whole disfigured look.

Maybe its the disfigured look that gets me too.

[Andrew NDB]

I just don't like how we know everything there is to know about the Nick Rat King. There's no mystery to him.

[Metalwolf]

Well, he frightens my kids and he is gross lol!:P But that is just my opinion!
It is cool how he has some backstory now as opposed to 80's toon.
I've noticed that this 'ghoulifying' tends to happen when the mutagen is made to go through another reaction. I'm guessing that is what happened to him, which is likely why he looks so gross and scary. 8)

[OtakuX]

The Rat King actually looks good for once. The old designs all looked way too goofy to take seriously.

[TurtleTitan97]

Nick Rat King is, imo, the best version by far. He has the creepiness of the Mirage version, and the brains of the OT version. Best of both worlds!

[pennydreadful]

I don't mind the new Rat King, but I do kind of miss the old camp FW version. What can I say, he gave me a chuckle.

[Zulithe]

Why do you hate the Rat King? I think he's the best incarnation of him yet.

Nick Rat King is the best! It's too bad the action figure is a joke compared to the original though.

[BubblyShell22]

He actually did have a problem with Rat King back when he was first revealed....

And let's not forget the b*tch fit Cubed had when Kraang Prime was originally going to be female. Then he did a complete 180 when the episode aired and claimed that KP was the REAL Kraang. So hilarious.

[ssjup81]

I don't mind the new Rat King, but I do kind of miss the old camp FW version. What can I say, he gave me a chuckle.Still wish I knew what OT Rat King's motivation was and what his backstory was. As I mentioned, seems he jut had a hardon for Splinter. ><

[Prowler]

Still wish I knew what OT Rat King's motivation was and what his backstory was. As I mentioned, seems he jut had a hardon for Splinter. ><
And April. Don't forget that he wanted to make her his "Rat Queen" :lol:

But considering Splitner was the first and only giant Rat he had seen,it made sense for him to want to control him.

[ssjup81]

And April. Don't forget that he wanted to make her his "Rat Queen" :lol:

But considering Splitner was the first and only giant Rat he had seen,it made sense for him to want to control him.
Oh yeah, forgot about the Rat Queen stuff. lol

And yeah, I guess if I was a person obsessed with rats and had the power to control them, I'd act goofy over Splinter too. lol

[ninja-zero]

Wish the Shredder captured Zeck and another and turns them into Bebop & Rocksteady with the same mutagen he turned Stockman into.

[snake]

Wish the Shredder captured Zeck and another and turns them into Bebop & Rocksteady with the same mutagen he turned Stockman into.

That's probably how he'll mutate.

[Coola Yagami]

Bebop and Rocksteady should be best friends, not rivals. People want to see them together, not solo. They shouldn't change things for the sake of changing things.

Its always, "Bebop and Rocksteady," not, "just Bebop" or "just Rocksteady."

Its a rule and the law of the land, I doubt they'll change it since they were already shown to be close buddies.

The People don't what that... YOU want that. Shredder already has his set of henchmen.

And dude, a Russian and black dude is even more racial diverse. What's the problem?

You make a big deal about race and whatever.... this version of Bebop is black with purple hair and shades.... that's the ONLY thing he has in common with the 80's self. He was not a slender master thief with an invisible suit and he definitely did not talk with the Micheal Jackon/Prince style 'hoooooo!!!' and 'heeee-heee!' yells and stuff. Surprised you're not all up in arms about it.

[Metalwolf]

The People don't what that... YOU want that. Shredder already has his set of henchmen.


The people DID want that at first, to have Bebop and Rocksteady. They wanted that for a while until these new henchmen grew on them. Then one of them got changed, people liked that change because it made him look deadly, but off and on he's been getting nerfed along with Xever.

So I would say Shredder has these two, for now. Tigerclaw came in and bumped Karai out of her second in command spot. I have a feeling that Bebop and Rocksteady will come in and do the same thing with Xever and Bradford.

[ssjup81]

I personally never cared for Bradford, but I really like Xever. Too bad his role's been reduced so much.

[VaughnMichael]

I have to wonder how Bebop & Rocksteady will come to be now that Baxter's lab was destroyed in that fire.
I really thought it would happen via Shredder but perhaps it will be a freak accident now.

[Metalwolf]

I personally never cared for Bradford, but I really like Xever. Too bad his role's been reduced so much.I agree. It's a big contrast between now and what it was at the beginning, and with each new mutant edition, the role gets tinier. That's why I expect him and Bradford to get booted out once Bebop and Rocksteady arrive. The only saving grace to this would be if they get mad at Shredder for replacing them/adding these new guys, and that they grow a pair and turn on him. I doubt that will happen though, but one can hope.

I'll also mention, that these guys aren't acting like they used to. Along with their smaller role, they have been getting nerfed and less like their original selves. Remember Xever being that vicious street thug? Now he's almost comedy relief and he gets fooled easily by Mikey's tricks. Even my fav bad guy Bradford has changed for the worse, they used to not play up the doggyisms as much in the beginning and he still felt more human (even as Rahzar) but now he acts goofy and I can barely take him seriously anymore. That is my other major complaint along with their reduced role, and I think this behavior they have is a foreboding of them being eliminated or forced out. They'll fail so much that Shredder gets sick of it, and finally he makes a move to be done with them.

I'm predicting that Bebop and Rocksteady will be a little more competent then these two, even though R and B were stated on the leaked info to be morons. I'm betting that Shredder will force them to work for him in promise of a cure, and even though they might reduce B and X's role even further, I can't help but also wonder how this will turn out too.

I have to wonder how Bebop & Rocksteady will come to be now that Baxter's lab was destroyed in that fire.
I really thought it would happen via Shredder but perhaps it will be a freak accident now.Baxter said that he could make more mutagen. He might even have extra vials of the stuff just in case.

[pennydreadful]

I personally never cared for Bradford, but I really like Xever. Too bad his role's been reduced so much.

Bradford/Dogpound wasn't great to me, but Rahzar is more interesting. I miss Xever though. :cry: I think he had a lot of potential, and we're just not seeing much of him anymore.

[CyberCubed]

I honestly wonder if Bradford/Xever will be de-mutated and Bebop/Rocksteady will take their place.

Unlike Tiger Claw, both Rahzar/Fishface are rather easy for the Turtles to take down now, and both of them have expressed the desire to be human again. I wouldn't be surprised if they both return to the Purple Dragons as humans.

[Coola Yagami]

yeah..... Chris and Xever have become pushovers... while Tiger Claw is the new 'oh crap, it's HIM' kinda character. Every time he comes in, you KNOW the gang is in trouble. Chris and Xever? Eh, just smack em aside. Geez, I remember when the turtles were scared shitless of Dogpound. Not anymore.....

[VaughnMichael]

Geez, I remember when the turtles were scared shitless of Dogpound. Not anymore.....
Which is crazy because he's like a billion times creepier now!:lol:

[Metalwolf]

yeah..... Chris and Xever have become pushovers... while Tiger Claw is the new 'oh crap, it's HIM' kinda character. Every time he comes in, you KNOW the gang is in trouble. Chris and Xever? Eh, just smack em aside. Geez, I remember when the turtles were scared shitless of Dogpound. Not anymore.....I think that Xever will eventually be demutated, he doesn't seem as 'evil' as Bradford. If I'm remembering correctly, didn't Xever give one of the Turtles his weapon back when he and Bradford were fighting, just to make the fight more fair? And that he was a little more willing to work with the Turtles then Dogpound was when they were trapped in Baxter's maze? He seems like he'll be one of the bad guys that might get redeemed.

I have a strong feeling that Bradford though won't get a happy ending. For some reason double-mutation sounds like it's a lot more permanent and impossible to undo. Plus Ciro or someone said that some of the bad guys will meet a bad fate, and I strongly think that Bradford will be one of them. His story is probably going to end in death.

[BubblyShell22]

No, that was Fong who gave Leo back his sword in repayment for the act of mercy Leo showed him at the beginning of "Never Say Xever." But Xever did seem different when talking with Raph, and I have a feeling he'll be pushed to the side though I'd love to see him go back to being human again. That would be neat.

[snake]

I wish Xever was developed more. As a human he was always fun to watch when fighting. Did he ever get a last name?

[BubblyShell22]

No, not that I know of. But I loved seeing some of his backstory in "Baxter's Gambit."

[ssjup81]

No, that was Fong who gave Leo back his sword in repayment for the act of mercy Leo showed him at the beginning of "Never Say Xever." But Xever did seem different when talking with Raph, and I have a feeling he'll be pushed to the side though I'd love to see him go back to being human again. That would be neat.I was hoping that Shredder would push him over the edge at some point.

[MCLeo28]

It's too bad that the purpose of mutating Bradford again was only to make him more agile which sucks because it seems as if his bigger size actually gave him an advantage against the turtles. He never once hesitated taking on all of the turtles on their on in "Mikey gets Shellacne" and he even used his size to his advantage when he punched Mikey straight to the ceiling.

I remember when Human Bradford can fight 2 Turtles at a time. Not anymore ..... Not anymore ......

[evan2000]

Back to topic, here's a new shot of B&R action figures in physical form:

http://i.toynewsi.com/g/generated/2014_San_Diego_Comic_Con/Playmates_Toys/Panel/IMG_1156__scaled_800.jpg

Looks like Bebop has gained some pounds compared to the concept art :tlol:

[Warhorse]

I think that Xever will eventually be demutated, he doesn't seem as 'evil' as Bradford. If I'm remembering correctly, didn't Xever give one of the Turtles his weapon back when he and Bradford were fighting, just to make the fight more fair? And that he was a little more willing to work with the Turtles then Dogpound was when they were trapped in Baxter's maze? He seems like he'll be one of the bad guys that might get redeemed.

I have a strong feeling that Bradford though won't get a happy ending. For some reason double-mutation sounds like it's a lot more permanent and impossible to undo. Plus Ciro or someone said that some of the bad guys will meet a bad fate, and I strongly think that Bradford will be one of them. His story is probably going to end in death.

You know what though, the thing with Bradford, isn't he supposed to be famous in this show? I'm really surprised he doesn't have a girlfriend or family that hasn't reported him missing yet.

[Metalwolf]

You know what though, the thing with Bradford, isn't he supposed to be famous in this show? I'm really surprised he doesn't have a girlfriend or family that hasn't reported him missing yet.He's supposed to be, but I'm betting that plotline got dropped.

He's either estranged from his family, or lives too far away. He likely still calls once in a while, although it's highly probable he doesn't get along with most of his family. I can't see him having a girlfriend, the guy seems too wrapped up in himself and his attitude (while he was human) likely drove off most potential dates. But that's probably why they haven't filed anything, he still keeps in contact somehow.

[jenna]

Somehow this news got by me.... Ugh! Really? Bebop and Rocksteady? I'm obviously in the minority here but I don't think Bebop and Rocksteady have any place outside the OT, because they perfectly embodied the essence of the OT. They were highly entertaining in it, but I think Nick is very much its own thing: with strands from multiple TMNT universes plus new ideas. It's now becoming too OT-biased. I liked Bebop and Rocksteady, don't get me wrong, but I don't want them in Nick and I don't want then in films. Leave the OT to be its own thing and do something fresh, Nick.

Next thing, pizza will be mutating into killer pizzas and attacking April and..... Wait.....

[CyberCubed]

I really find it odd people are saying Bebop and Rocksteady shouldn't be used outside the OT when they were already in Archie and IDW.

If Leatherhead, Rat King, Karai, Baxter, etc can appear in every incarnation so can the others.

[jenna]

I really find it odd people are saying Bebop and Rocksteady shouldn't be used outside the OT when they were already in Archie and IDW.
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True, but Archie capitalised a lot on the OT and I didn't think they should have appeared in IDW either, but hey-ho, that's just my thoughts on the matter and I am aware that it's an unpopular view.

[Electric]

I really find it odd people are saying Bebop and Rocksteady shouldn't be used outside the OT when they were already in Archie and IDW.

If Leatherhead, Rat King, Karai, Baxter, etc can appear in every incarnation so can the others.

I agree with your first point.

But not so much with your second. Bebop and rocksteady are good for a few incarnations, but not everyone. they are just the henchman after all, where as Karai, Baxter etc have stronger roles. Bebop and rocksteady would get really old really fast if they were in everything

[Matt2310]

I agree with your first point.

But not so much with your second. Bebop and rocksteady are good for a few incarnations, but not everyone. they are just the henchman after all, where as Karai, Baxter etc have stronger roles. Bebop and rocksteady would get really old really fast if they were in everything

That's bull.
Bringing bebop and rocksteady will only make this show stronger and much better if they are somewhat like they were in 87' cartoon

[Metalwolf]

That's bull.
Bringing bebop and rocksteady will only make this show stronger and much better if they are somewhat like they were in 87' cartoonI hope you don't mean "Getting in the way all of the time and being almost too stupid to live." Because that is what they degenerated down to eventually, and I can't see Nick Shredder putting up with that (or even his two top henchmen) for too long. It's why I don't think they will be clumsy or even stupid in this incarnation, as that would be too wildly inconsistent with the rest of the show.

[CyberCubed]

I agree with your first point.

But not so much with your second. Bebop and rocksteady are good for a few incarnations, but not everyone. they are just the henchman after all, where as Karai, Baxter etc have stronger roles. Bebop and rocksteady would get really old really fast if they were in everything

They were already in every series other than Mirage. If you count Turtles Forever they were in 4kids too,

[Ninjinister]

Official descriptions from Playmates' website. Minor spoilers so like... don't click unless you wanna know:

http://playmatestoys.com/views/1055/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles
http://playmatestoys.com/views/1056/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles

[snake]

Official descriptions from Playmates' website. Minor spoilers so like... don't click unless you wanna know:

http://playmatestoys.com/views/1055/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles
http://playmatestoys.com/views/1056/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles

Neat. I wonder if they will work for shredder.

[Metalwolf]

Neat. I wonder if they will work for shredder.Maybe, but I would find that a bit hard to believe, unless Shredder really strong-arms him into an 'offer he can't refuse.' Steranko is fairly independent and rich, he has no loyalty ties or blackmail that Shredder can exploit like he does with Xever and Bradford.

it could even be possible that he becomes a thorn in Shredder's side and gains his own vendetta against him because of the mutation.

[shredder orokusaki]

Steranko and Anton are my enemies. Why would i hire them ? They wanted to steal my hemlet and they hurted lot of my soliders. It is not like in the OT where they were in my side from the begining. These new bebbop and rocksteady wants to hurt me and i will never let them join the foot!!!

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

Steranko and Anton are my enemies. Why would i hire them ? They wanted to steal my hemlet and they hurted lot of my soliders. It is not like in the OT where they were in my side from the begining. These new bebbop and rocksteady wants to hurt me and i will never let them join the foot!!!

...You're not gonna quit this, are you?:roll:

[ssjup81]

...You're not gonna quit this, are you?:roll:"Maybe if we ignore it, it'll go away." :P

That aside I couldn't see this incarnation of Bebop and Rocksteady working for Shredder for reasons already mentioned, unless they do as a way to get close to Shredder to take him out.

[snake]

...You're not gonna quit this, are you?:roll:

I'm so used to it, that I find it kind of amusing :lol:

[Metalwolf]

That aside I couldn't see this incarnation of Bebop and Rocksteady working for Shredder for reasons already mentioned, unless they do as a way to get close to Shredder to take him out.Unless Shredder has Baxter put something in the mutagen to make them stupid. But I hope not, as we need a bit of villain vs villain. It seems like everyone else just lays down and joins Shredder without a fight. Even Baxter did it once he was mutated, although he was pretty much spineless at that point.

[Huzzah]

I'm hoping they team up with Karai, who I think will be doing her own thing. I see her forming a vendetta against Shredder, while also not returning to the Turtles, due to the fact she's only ever known the villainous life.

[rickwj324]

Official descriptions from Playmates' website. Minor spoilers so like... don't click unless you wanna know:

http://playmatestoys.com/views/1055/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles
http://playmatestoys.com/views/1056/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles

I'm no fan of that Bebop, but Rocksteady looks bad-@$$!!! Can't wait to see them on the show.

[Battastic]

I like the overall look of them, but Bebop is a bit skinny. Their size is what would strike fear and their lack of intelligence would end up being their downfall.

[Luigiperps]

Steranko and Anton are my enemies. Why would i hire them ? They wanted to steal my hemlet and they hurted lot of my soliders. It is not like in the OT where they were in my side from the begining. These new bebbop and rocksteady wants to hurt me and i will never let them join the foot!!!

If you're going to pretend to be the shredder, please improve your grammar.

[Anton Chigurh]

If you're going to pretend to be the shredder, please improve your grammar.

Haha "hurted" lol right.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

That's bull.
Bringing bebop and rocksteady will only make this show stronger and much better if they are somewhat like they were in 87' cartoon

If you mean personality wise, I strongly but respectfully disagree. And I believe this show has a strong narrative with or without B&R.

[THGhost]

Happy that Bebop was in fact black, Cubed? :P

[snake]

Happy that Bebop was in fact black, Cubed? :P

"B-but Rocksteady isn't American!"

[TigerClaw]

Official descriptions from Playmates' website. Minor spoilers so like... don't click unless you wanna know:

http://playmatestoys.com/views/1055/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles
http://playmatestoys.com/views/1056/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles
Cool, Also check out there figures.

http://playmatestoys.com/uploads/brand/Basic_Bebop_pu1.jpg

http://playmatestoys.com/uploads/brand/Basic_Rocksteady_pu1.jpg

[Electric]

That's bull.
Bringing bebop and rocksteady will only make this show stronger and much better if they are somewhat like they were in 87' cartoon

Then I'm calling bull.

This show already has two henchman with a decent amount of intelligence, and there's still a good amount of humor. They have taken the roles of bebop and rocksteady.

Adding bebop and rocksteady with their lack of intelligence and ability to always get in the way would make this show worse. Because this shredders not going to have patience for them and would be completely out of character for him to put up with them.

They need to be different than the 80s toon. Something needs to happen to fishface/rahzar, or bebop/rocksteady need to have a different plot, unless they're all 4 going to be henchman, which may also work

[Metalwolf]

Then I'm calling bull.

This show already has two henchman with a decent amount of intelligence, and there's still a good amount of humor. They have taken the roles of bebop and rocksteady.

Adding bebop and rocksteady with their lack of intelligence and ability to always get in the way would make this show worse. Because this shredders not going to have patience for them and would be completely out of character for him to put up with them.

They need to be different than the 80s toon. Something needs to happen to fishface/rahzar, or bebop/rocksteady need to have a different plot, unless they're all 4 going to be henchman, which may also workAgreed.

I would find it very hard to believe if Shredder put up with the same type of Bebop and Rocksteady that we got in the 80's cartoon, as this Shredder doesn't tolerate failure.

I don't know why people want an exact copy-paste of everything 80's, but I swear, it's like they aren't happy unless something directly duplicates their childhood nostalgia. I might have some childhood nostalgia, but I have an open mind too, and I'm glad this show doesn't try to be some crappy 80's reboot.

[Electric]

Agreed.

I would find it very hard to believe if Shredder put up with the same type of Bebop and Rocksteady that we got in the 80's cartoon, as this Shredder doesn't tolerate failure.

I don't know why people want an exact copy-paste of everything 80's, but I swear, it's like they aren't happy unless something directly duplicates their childhood nostalgia. I might have some childhood nostalgia, but I have an open mind too, and I'm glad this show doesn't try to be some crappy 80's reboot.

exactly, the nostalgia is from getting the characters. what makes it so great is a new take on them.

fly baxter, rahzar, rat king, slash, mutagen man. none of them are near what they used to be. all new, all different, but they still have the nostalgia to them

[Metalwolf]

exactly, the nostalgia is from getting the characters. what makes it so great is a new take on them.

fly baxter, rahzar, rat king, slash, mutagen man. none of them are near what they used to be. all new, all different, but they still have the nostalgia to themIndeed. It what makes these new takes interesting, since we don't know what will happen with them. It's always a surprise, and allows the writers to not be bogged down by a previous incarnation's 'history.'

I personally don't want Bebop and Rocksteady to be dumb. Even though I objected to them in the beginning, this new pair has the potential to win me over, and already the premise looks to be interesting. These two in this show didn't start out as oafs, and I'd love it if they stayed that way. I think it would truly be a let down if they were made stupid as it would feel like just another nerfing in progress, as that was a disappointment with the previous gold star henchmen. I just hope Ciro doesn't look on these boards and think he's gotta make them dumb, because we need some ace characters other then just Tigerclaw.

[Ninturtle]

http://turtlepedia.wikia.com/wiki/Rocksteady_(2014_action_figure)

http://turtlepedia.wikia.com/wiki/Bebop_(2014_action_figure)
Playmates revealed there origins on there site but took it down , turtlepedia has there origins though

[marcelangelo]

http://turtlepedia.wikia.com/wiki/Rocksteady_(2014_action_figure)

http://turtlepedia.wikia.com/wiki/Bebop_(2014_action_figure)

Playmates revealed there origins on there site but took it down , turtlepedia has there origins though

seems like they've been there and wiped the origin from that site, too;(...what a bummer I really wanted to read this...can you give a description perhaps in spoiler thingies?

[THGhost]

Then I'm calling bull.

This show already has two henchman with a decent amount of intelligence, and there's still a good amount of humor. They have taken the roles of bebop and rocksteady.

Adding bebop and rocksteady with their lack of intelligence and ability to always get in the way would make this show worse. Because this shredders not going to have patience for them and would be completely out of character for him to put up with them.

They need to be different than the 80s toon. Something needs to happen to fishface/rahzar, or bebop/rocksteady need to have a different plot, unless they're all 4 going to be henchman, which may also work

exactly, the nostalgia is from getting the characters. what makes it so great is a new take on them.

fly baxter, rahzar, rat king, slash, mutagen man. none of them are near what they used to be. all new, all different, but they still have the nostalgia to them

I agree with you wholeheartedly, except for Rahzar. He's so different compared to his original that the nostalgia for him is completely gone. :P

[snake]

seems like they've been there and wiped the origin from that site, too;(...what a bummer I really wanted to read this...can you give a description perhaps in spoiler thingies?

Rocksteady is Deranko and Bebop is Anton. Shredder punishes them by mutation.

[Ninturtle]

seems like they've been there and wiped the origin from that site, too;(...what a bummer I really wanted to read this...can you give a description perhaps in spoiler thingies?

Pretty much shredder found out they tried t still his helmet and he mutated them dropping Steranko in rhino dna and Anton in boar dna

[THGhost]

Pretty much shredder found out they tried t still his helmet and he mutated them dropping Steranko in rhino dna and Anton in boar dna

Sounds cool to me, can't wait to see it happen.

[Ninjinister]

I'm still seeing the descriptions on Playmates' site. I mean yeah, I also copied them to Turtlepedia, but might as well go to the source.