Bebop and Rocksteady from the new Show

[TigerClaw]

Playmates has a couple of images of there toylines for the Nick TMNT series, And apparently, It shows what appeared to be is some Concept art of Bebop and Rocksteady, Could these be what they will look like in the series?

Bebop

http://playmatestoys.com/uploads/brand/Beebop_bio_pu1.jpg

Rocksteady

http://playmatestoys.com/uploads/brand/Rocksteady_bio_pu1.jpg

[TurtleTitan97]

Not bad. Rocksteady looks pretty great.

Though is it just me, or Bebop look like something from Tron?:tlol: But still pretty good.

And commence CyberCubed complaining in 3, 2, 1....

[Candy Kappa]

Pretty cool, but bebop looks maybe a bit too skinny stylized.

[Powder]

Hmm, interesting! Not sure about the blue & yellow outfits, drastic size differences, or the tron-lines on Bebop, but otherwise they're pretty neat looking. They have a very Nick-series feel to them, at least.

[RaphAndDonnie]

I like it but man Bebop has some skinny legs. :o :lol:

[BubblyShell22]

Interesting designs, though I agree that Bebop does look a bit skinny. Definitely can't wait to see them in action.

[MrTMNT2012]

Loving it! Bebop does look a bit skinny but overall, great. :)

[TigerClaw]

Hmm, interesting! Not sure about the blue & yellow outfits, drastic size differences, or the tron-lines on Bebop, but otherwise they're pretty neat looking. They have a very Nick-series feel to them, at least.
I wonder if they are the result of a random exposure to the Mutagen, Since its scattered all over the city this whole season.

[raph27]

....is Bebop wearing a bra? WTF :tconfuse:

[TurtleTitan97]

....is Bebop wearing a bra? WTF :tconfuse:

It's not a bra. It looks like something is fused to his skin.

[Cure]

I bet you guys Bebop is that background character with the super long and skinny legs, lolz.

They look neat.

[Vicky82]

Wow Bebop looks wierd, Rocksteady looks pretty cool, I can't wait to see them. I wonder who's going to voice them :D

[SwiftNinjaFox]

Rocksteady looks like he's got a little IDW inspiration there.

Not sure I like Bebop being so skinny O_o

[Refractive Reflections]

If this is true they are putting these two in and if they are going to have significant roles... **facepalm**, I guess they're just gonna put more weight on that "OT crutch" then huh? I'm a big OT fan, but having these two (and if they become significant characters) would be pushing the claim even further and further, that the Nick series is more or less a derivative of the OT series, especially now with these two iconic dumb villains. If I wanted to see so many OT references/tributes/elements, I would rather just watch the OT then.

**Sigh** How about this Nick series actually develop its own unique villains a lot more, like Rahzar and Fishface, first? Well, I'm assuming their introduction will be near the end of season 2 or somewhere in season 3. So we'll see... but it's not like this show hasn't been a disappointment before...

[MikeandRaph87]

Not bad. Staying close to the original design while still being its own thing. The only thing I don't like is I think Rocksteady needs boots instead of bare hooves. A future-like look to the punks.

[Raven]

Not bad, they look pretty good. I was expecting something a little more gruesome, more in line with how the other mutants on this series have been appearing. But these are pretty tame, I like these a lot more then I thought I would.

[blindturtle02]

Interesting designs, though I agree that Bebop does look a bit skinny. Definitely can't wait to see them in action.

A skinnier Bebop? Yeah that'll take some getting used to, but can't wait to see them either.

[CyberCubed]

Bebop is a bit too skinny but not too bad. I just hope to god they're humans and that Bebop is black. Please let him be black. Please let him be black.

[Donatello19]

There's some background info on them on the site, too...

Bebop was originally a kind of punk, mohawk-sporting, human thug employed—and mutated—by Shredder. Like his best buddy, Rocksteady, he appeared in the 1980s TMNT show. During a fracas with the Turtles, Shredder turned these gang members into mutant creatures. Bebop became a warthog, still wearing his purple Mohawk and punk gear. Although larger and stronger, both Bebop and Rocksteady still lacked intelligence and failed to defeat the Turtles in any battle. Their incompetence and goofy behavior overshadowed any advantage they gained from their physical transformation.

Bebop and Rocksteady are names that were taken from music genres. Bebop is a style of jazz while Rocksteady is a Jamaican style of music originating from the late 1960s.

Rocksteady was a short, blond, and burly human thug employed—and mutated—by Shredder. Like his best buddy, Bebop, he appeared in the 1980s TMNT show. During a fracas with the Turtles, Shredder turned these gang members into mutant creatures. Rocksteady became a rhinocerous; he maintained some of his soldierly look by the Army gear he wore. Although larger and stronger, both Bebop and Rocksteady still lacked intelligence and failed to defeat the Turtles in any battle. Their incompetence and goofy behavior overshadowed any advantage they gained from their physical transformation.

Bebop and Rocksteady are names that were taken from music genres. Bebop is a style of jazz while Rocksteady is a Jamaican style of music originating from the late 1960s.

So they start out as humans, and are employed and mutated by Shredder, nice. As for the designs...I like Rocksteady's a lot, but I just think Bebop shouldn't be so thin...not a big deal, though. Let's hope they're just a little more than two bumbling idiots this time, though...

[CyberCubed]

Please let Bebop be a black man. I hope to god he's not white.

[ZariusTwo]

I take one look at Rocksteady and think "Altered Beast final boss"

[CyberCubed]

You know I just realized Bebop is wearing a visor instead of sunglasses. His whole look is like something from the future.

Rocksteady meanwhile looks like from the prehistoric despite the army pants. Could Bebop be from the future in this series?

[Powder]

Interesting theory. There's supposed to be a lot of dimension hopping in the future, so that or time travel could come into play. Looking at him with that in mind, I'm actually wondering if he's a Neutrino, or from wherever they are, because his fashion seems reminiscent of theirs.

[Donatello19]

To quote Mikey, Bebop's design seems "very Kraangy"...

[METALHEAD]

Please let Bebop be a black man. I hope to god he's not white.

i rather him being mexican.

[CyberCubed]

i rather him being mexican.

We already have Xever being Brazillian. Bebop is supposed to be a New York style black guy. He's a homeboy.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed Rocksteady looks like he's from the past but Bebop the future.

[Casey]

Pretty cool, but bebop looks maybe a bit too skinny stylized.

Agreed. Although that's how I felt ab the turtles themselves for a long time (that they were too stylized). That show has a way of going a bit too far. Bebop, however, is too skinny. It looks ridiculous based on the fact that he is a warthog. Also, he does look Kraangy.

[rickwj324]

Agreed. Although that's how I felt ab the turtles themselves for a long time (that they were too stylized). That show has a way of going a bit too far. Bebop, however, is too skinny. It looks ridiculous based on the fact that he is a warthog. Also, he does look Kraangy.

Maybe he'll eat a couple of turtles and fatten up a bit! :P

[blindturtle02]

Maybe he'll eat a couple of turtles and fatten up a bit! :P

Yeah, Bebop's just doing the healthy dieting thing right now. If these guys hit enough bakeries, he'll fatten right up. Turtle meat would help too. Anyone got Gamera's address? He's made of turtle meat, right?

[Coola Yagami]

I hope they're not too incompetent, or else Shredder will be an idiot for keeping them around. Sure Xever and Chris always lose, but it's due mostly to the turtles' skill and luck (that and they're the good guys), but its not because they're downright stupid.

[NinjaPug]

Bebop looks like he stepped out of an episode of Tron: Uprising but I like their designs.

[blindturtle02]

I hope they're not too incompetent, or else Shredder will be an idiot for keeping them around. Sure Xever and Chris always lose, but it's due mostly to the turtles' skill and luck (that and they're the good guys), but its not because they're downright stupid.

I hear ya. It'd be interesting to see them allot meaner in the 2012 series. Yeah, I just can't see 2012 Shredder keeping them around if their dumb as a box of rocks.

[Coola Yagami]

I hear ya. It'd be interesting to see them allot meaner in the 2012 series. Yeah, I just can't see 2012 Shredder keeping them around if their dumb as a box of rocks.

Either that or Shredder is going to devolve into a whiny bitch with a bag of insults....

[CyberCubed]

Why do people keep asking that? It's the same thing before IDW's Bebop and Rocksteady debuted.

of course they're going to be more competent in this show than the old one, that's common sense.

[Metalwolf]

If this is true they are putting these two in and if they are going to have significant roles... **facepalm**, I guess they're just gonna put more weight on that "OT crutch" then huh? I'm a big OT fan, but having these two (and if they become significant characters) would be pushing the claim even further and further, that the Nick series is more or less a derivative of the OT series, especially now with these two iconic dumb villains. If I wanted to see so many OT references/tributes/elements, I would rather just watch the OT then.

**Sigh** How about this Nick series actually develop its own unique villains a lot more, like Rahzar and Fishface, first? Well, I'm assuming their introduction will be near the end of season 2 or somewhere in season 3. So we'll see... but it's not like this show hasn't been a disappointment before...I definitely agree. This show needs to stand on it's own two feet and it's won characters. I don't mind once-in-a-while odd homages to 80's toon, but when we just had a literal 'cameo' in Wormquake? Me thinks the writers might not much confidence in this show, or that they think adults need constant 80s references to stay interested.

However, their bios list them as morons. I'm hoping the Shredder thinks these two aren't worth his time and so 'disposes' of them in short order. Otherwise it will just look weird if he keeps amassing all of these mutants, and for what reason? It would just get annoying, that's for sure.

[Coola Yagami]

The more I read the bios, the more I see they're just describing the OT versions for people that for whatever reason didn't know they originated from it. So who knows what lies in store for these two in this version.

[CyberCubed]

The more I read the bios, the more I see they're just describing the OT versions for people that for whatever reason didn't know they originated from it. So who knows what lies in store for these two in this version.

That's what I thought too. Especially since the description continually says how they fail Shredder's plans and that never happened in this show yet. Not to mention they mention the 80's show.

[MaximeLoonatic]

They should put some more meat on Bebop's legs... Anyway, his face looks cool!!

[oldmanwinters]

I take one look at Rocksteady and think "Altered Beast final boss"

He bear more than a few similarities to ol' Neff.

[909 Turtle Fan]

I'm usually on board with the nick characters, but these designs suck.

[BabyTurtles]

T^T I hope they aren't too dumb.........we have all these old characters coming back! I want Angel >:U

Rocksteady looks cool :3

Bebop looks like they took Xever's human design, messed with it a little and put a warthog face on it XD but overall it doesn't look too bad

[Master Splinter]

These designs look pretty cool. I like Powder's Neutrino theory for Bebop as well. Rocksteady looks like he's gonna mess some stuff up.

-ms

[Desslok]

I can dig it. I think Bebop's design is awesome and Rocksteady looks like he'll be a handful in battle, it'll be fun to see these guys in action.

"Say yer prayers, toitles!" :tcool:

[TMNT is cooler than MOTU]

Rocksteady looks great. However, Bebop REALLY needs to hit the gym. Waaaaaaaaaaay too skinny.

[Shark_Blade]

I love these designs! More OT references yes!

Ciro and his team are doing great, keep it up guys! :D

[CyberCubed]

Bebop looks like they took Xever's human design, messed with it a little and put a warthog face on it XD but overall it doesn't look too bad

Ugh, you brought up something I fear. For all we know they could de-mutate Xever into a human and then mutate him into Bebop. I mean Xever is dark skinned but he isn't black so I hope not.

In general though its obvious Rocksteady/Bebop will be new characters we haven't seen yet. I think they have to be human because why would Bebop have a mohawk otherwise? Pigs don't grow hair.

[BabyTurtles]

Ugh, you brought up something I fear. For all we know they could de-mutate Xever into a human and then mutate him into Bebop. I mean Xever is dark skinned but he isn't black so I hope not.

In general though its obvious Rocksteady/Bebop will be new characters we haven't seen yet. I think they have to be human because why would Bebop have a mohawk otherwise? Pigs don't grow hair.

Xever is black.....he's Afro-Brazilian.....that's Brazilian with African ancestry.......unless you mean African American??? :ohwell:

and unless Xever decides mohawks are suddenly cool, I don't think we have anything to worry about XD

[Refractive Reflections]

In general though its obvious Rocksteady/Bebop will be new characters we haven't seen yet. I think they have to be human because why would Bebop have a mohawk otherwise? Pigs don't grow hair.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/01/Tarangire_Warzenschwein1.jpg/800px-Tarangire_Warzenschwein1.jpg
A typical warthog, just FYI... :P

[Ninjinister]

Somebody's never seen The Lion King.

[Chris_a_Bunga]

I really like them I think it's a rad update for them, Can't wait to see them on the show, I haven't been let down by anything they've done for this show, so I am sure it will work well.

and BRING ON THE TOYS! !!!:P

[Chris_a_Bunga]

Xever is black.....he's Afro-Brazilian.....that's Brazilian with African ancestry.......unless you mean African American??? :ohwell:

and unless Xever decides mohawks are suddenly cool, I don't think we have anything to worry about XD

Yeah I don't think Ciro and the guys would make is Xever that would be weak storytelling, plus that voice for Bebop? Never in a million years would that be a good choice. Plus, I like Fishface. I think they'll make Bebop and Rocksteady their own new characters for sure :tgrin:

[Tazi]

With all the strong changes, they're still kinda recognisable, and I kinda like them.

Except for one thing: Why does Bebop wears a "bra"? :lol:

[Longview01]

Rocksteady looks pretty awesome, not too keen on Bebop tho

[Xav]

**Sigh** How about this Nick series actually develop its own unique villains a lot more, like Rahzar and Fishface, first?Rahzar isn't exactly a new character.
Bebop is supposed to be a New York style black guy. He's a homeboy.What the hell is a homeboy? Do you want him to speak Ebonics or something?

[Zulithe]

Rocksteady looking VERY tight. Bebop will take some getting used to. But I kinda like that they aren't both hulks now. One is a hulk and one is a little more lean. Sets them apart more. That could be good.

[TheBlueTurtle1]

Loving it! Bebop does look a bit skinny but overall, great. :)

I agree, but it also complements the style of the show nicely. I can not wait to see them in action, it's awesome to see them with a fresh look after all these years!

[Refractive Reflections]

Rahzar isn't exactly a new character.


I guess in terms of Rahzar being formerly Dogpound and originally Bradford, I would consider that a new character in terms of depiction and depth. Nick's Rahzar can't be compared to other Rahzars in the TMNT franchise because, in previous versions, he wasn't elevated to a position where his character had an opportunity to be expanded on nor had a human backstory. So for the sake of the argument, underneath it all he's Bradford (an original Nick character), but cloaked/nicknamed as "Rahzar".

[drgon78]

I like the designs except Bebop is way too skinny.

[NinjaPug]

Bebop looks like they took Xever's human design, messed with it a little and put a warthog face on it XD but overall it doesn't look too bad

I thought the same and am a little concerned that Bradford and Xever could be cured from the retro-mutagen only to be mutated again into Bebop and Rocksteady. The designs definitely fit their character profiles. I don't think Ciro would do that but you never know.

[Mzx10484]

Nice to see them again. Rocksteady - great style !! Bebop - can still become ... // would like to see them in the new movie !! :D

[D Piddy 1982]

Bebop was always one of my fav characters in the TMNT universe, but I'm really not feeling this new design. Too skinny, and wayyy too stylised.

Rocksteady looks great, but they've killed Bebop right there.

Then again I always think to myself that people aren't giving the new movie designs a chance, so I'll just wait and see. Maybe I'll get used to this skinny punk...

Face is good though!

[Metalwolf]

I thought the same and am a little concerned that Bradford and Xever could be cured from the retro-mutagen only to be mutated again into Bebop and Rocksteady. The designs definitely fit their character profiles. I don't think Ciro would do that but you never know.I don't think he would either, I think these are entirely different characters. It said that Shredder mutates two guys in their profiles, it doesn't say 'remutates' as it logically would if it were two guys who got cured then changed again.

I'm surprised these guys are here this soon. I have a feeling they will be in one of the next upcoming episodes, maybe even in Baxterfly since it deals with mutagen.

[VaughnMichael]

Bebop looks like they took Xever's human design, messed with it a little and put a warthog face on it XD but overall it doesn't look too bad
I thought the same exact thing when I saw it.

[blindturtle02]

I don't think he would either, I think these are entirely different characters. It said that Shredder mutates two guys in their profiles, it doesn't say 'remutates' as it logically would if it were two guys who got cured then changed again.

I'm surprised these guys are here this soon. I have a feeling they will be in one of the next upcoming episodes, maybe even in Baxterfly since it deals with mutagen.

They might be in Newtralized since it's a Raph and Casey duo episode. We know how Casey enjoys beating up purple dragons. At least I hope we get to see cameos of them in that episode. But I wouldn't be disappointed if they showed up in the Baxter episode either.

[CyberCubed]

I thought the same and am a little concerned that Bradford and Xever could be cured from the retro-mutagen only to be mutated again into Bebop and Rocksteady. The designs definitely fit their character profiles. I don't think Ciro would do that but you never know.

I doubt they would have Bradford change into Rahzar just to mutate him again. Bradford mutating 3 times? I don't think so.

Plus giving Shredder an army of mutants is better than just re-using the same two.

[The Fifth Turtle]

Very cool concepts. I wonder how their new look will be reflected in their personalities? For example their new designs don't really lend them to having a big, bumbling buffoon like way about them.

[The Fifth Turtle]

.

Though is it just me, or Bebop look like something from Tron?:tlol: But still pretty good.



His eye wear also reminds me of Cyclops from X-men.

[shredder orokusaki]

They might be in Newtralized since it's a Raph and Casey duo episode. We know how Casey enjoys beating up purple dragons. At least I hope we get to see cameos of them in that episode. But I wouldn't be disappointed if they showed up in the Baxter episode either.

They are not coming in next episode or any episode of season 2 they will appear in season 3 it is already confirmed.

[VaughnMichael]

It'd be cool if they actually come from the 1980's show.
I mean Tigerclaw is there and I'm going to assume they have to get him back to the Nick Toon some how.
It could explain why they went missing in the later Red Sky episodes.;)

[Jon_Talbain]

Wow, not what I was expecting at all. I am with some of you here...Bebop is WAY too skinny. I do like that he looks so different from Rocksteady, but they could have made him bigger than that. Or at least balance everything out. Bebop's head looks like it too hard for him to lift. Rocksteady looks pretty good.

[NinjaPug]

They are not coming in next episode or any episode of season 2 they will appear in season 3 it is already confirmed.

Not true. Their premiere hasn't been confirmed at all.

[ToTheNines]

We already have Xever being Brazillian. Bebop is supposed to be a New York style black guy. He's a homeboy.

Oh my God, ****ing stop.

[Metalwolf]

They might be in Newtralized since it's a Raph and Casey duo episode. We know how Casey enjoys beating up purple dragons. At least I hope we get to see cameos of them in that episode. But I wouldn't be disappointed if they showed up in the Baxter episode either.That would be interesting to see, hopefully they full it off well and it doesn't end up feeling like just another 'Mutant of the Week' episode. I am thinking they are showing these two now since they have that deadline to get all of the figures out by 2015, and with the 1-2 month long hiatuses they tend to have, it won't be giving them that much time and they are racing against the clock. Especially if they have a summer hiatus, which will take 2-3 months.

[Sewer Sirens Podcast]

Actually, these looks aren't half bad. I have a feeling that I'll like them in this show, even if I don't prefer them pulling from the OT series all the time. Bebop may be a little too skinny, but he'll portably have a cool style of fighting (like Xever). Rocksteady looks awesome

[OrokuYoshiFilms]

I'm diggin' these design a lot! I'm curious about the gold tie-in with RS. (On his fists and that mining hammer) I wish BB had at least a pot belly though, I don't really mind the slimming down.....oh and bring on the figures!

edit: I also wish RS look was as drastically different than BB's. Looks like they put more work into his look.

[The Fifth Turtle]

It could explain why they went missing in the later Red Sky episodes.;)

Oh man would that be a sick nod to the OT.

[Lameonardo]

I was never a fan of Bebop and Rocksteady in the OT. I hope they show up for only a couple of episodes at most, as I much prefer Xever and Bradford. But I might like the Nick versions of them better, who knows? I do like the designs.

I'm also wondering if they'll end up being a couple of mutated Purple Dragons.

[Discogod]

These are quite different from what I saw at Toy Fair. Aside from the poses (at TF they were straight-on), Rocksteady now has his tank top and his armour's been tweaked in both design and colour. Bebop's undergone a pretty huge change - he's much skinner (whereas the render I saw had him around the same size as RS), his mohawk & teeth are more prominent, and he's got a totally different outfit, rather than the classic black pants/red vest. They've also lost their tribal markings.

So it looks like either their designs have been changed, and I don't dig them at all.

[FrMikey]

I love Rocksteady, strong and powerful but Bebop... is too skinny.

And why is he wearing like a Disco Boy ?

[BMo]

I actually really like these! Nice job Nick!

[shredder orokusaki]

Not true. Their premiere hasn't been confirmed at all.

It is true

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=46681

And season 3 will start in november or december this mean that we will not see them in the show for about 5 or 6 months

[Chaotix12345]

Stan Sakai confirmed that was false, though.

[NinjaPug]

It is true

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=46681

And season 3 will start in november or december this mean that we will not see them in the show for about 5 or 6 months

Except that report wasn't true. Even if it was true, that report from a fan site wouldn't be confirmation.

Plus Sakai refuted the Usagi part which killed the credibility of the report.

[rickwj324]

These are quite different from what I saw at Toy Fair. Aside from the poses (at TF they were straight-on), Rocksteady now has his tank top and his armour's been tweaked in both design and colour. Bebop's undergone a pretty huge change - he's much skinner (whereas the render I saw had him around the same size as RS), his mohawk & teeth are more prominent, and he's got a totally different outfit, rather than the classic black pants/red vest. They've also lost their tribal markings.

So it looks like either their designs have been changed, and I don't dig them at all.

Wow.. if these look quite different from the toy designs you saw, then perhaps these are older designs and won't be what's used in the show after all? I can't imagine they'll release the toys and have them look nothing like what they do in the show?!
That skinny Bebop looks horrible. That body couldn't even support that head. Hopefully we'll see something closer to what you saw at that toy fair.

Rick

[Technogeek29]

Please be destructive boobs who can level an entire block.

[shredder orokusaki]

Except that report wasn't true. Even if it was true, that report from a fan site wouldn't be confirmation.

Plus Sakai refuted the Usagi part which killed the credibility of the report.

Hmm... then this means that they might appear on season 2 and not in season 3? He said that the report of usagi was not true he didnt say that bebop and rocksteady will appear in season 2 did he?

[Bry]

Not bad! Rocksteady in particular looks great - big and menacing, a slight and effective redesign while being instantly recognizable. I really like Bebop's head/face, but I agree with others that he's way too skinny. The Tron lines seem a bit odd, but we'll see what the reasoning is behind them. Overall I'd prefer something closer to the original version, though he's still recognizable so that's not bad at all.

[NinjaPug]

Playmates took Bebop and Rocksteady off their Character Bio page. I guess they were put there by accident. I thought it was weird that they were on there so soon.

[TheCollector]

I'm loving the designs, and I'm also loving the comeback Bebop and Rocksteady are having lately, first appearing in IDW and now Nick.

[Wildcat]

They look great. Bebop just needs a little muscle. Doesn't have to be as bulky as Rocksteady. I hope they do appear and I think they probably will.

Were there toy concepts? Ive never seen any and can't find any.

[CyberCubed]

Since playmates put these designs on their site and then took them down when Nick caught wind of it, its safe to say these are likely the designs they use.

Still don't care for skinny Bebop. How's he doing to fight?

[Coola Yagami]

By being fast and able to pull off awesome kicks... oh wait....

Now that you mention it... they really did avoid all of the 'black stereotypes' with Bebop in the old series. He never spoke jive or did anything 'stereotypicaly' black. Other than the 'big dumb musclehead' manner of speaking that would apply to anybody that's more muscle than brains in cartoons (cause c'mon, who actually really speaks using 'duuuuuh' in real life unless it's joking around or making fun of someone) they didn't force in any tacked on 'yo' 'sup' and 'that's whack!' or whatever was used in the 80's.

[Xav]

Except for one thing: Why does Bebop wears a "bra"? :lol:Maybe Bebop is a girl in this version?
He said that the report of usagi was not true he didnt say that bebop and rocksteady will appear in season 2 did he?No, but I highly doubt Stan Sakai has insider knowledge of the Nick cartoon.

[TheCollector]

Maybe Bebop is a girl in this version?

It's not actually a bra like thing, if you look closely, it's an X over his chest, with the spaces between the x parts empty.

[n-zero]

No, but I highly doubt Stan Sakai has insider knowledge of the Nick cartoon.

But he does own Usagi, so they would have to go through Sakai to get the rights to use him.

[CyberCubed]

Now that you mention it... they really did avoid all of the 'black stereotypes' with Bebop in the old series. He never spoke jive or did anything 'stereotypicaly' black. Other than the 'big dumb musclehead' manner of speaking that would apply to anybody that's more muscle than brains in cartoons (cause c'mon, who actually really speaks using 'duuuuuh' in real life unless it's joking around or making fun of someone) they didn't force in any tacked on 'yo' 'sup' and 'that's whack!' or whatever was used in the 80's.

Well maybe Nick's Bebop will start saying things like, "Hey dawg, what's happenin' homie?" or "Dat's phat, Rocksteady you and me R homies 4 lyfe!"

And Rocksteady will be like, "Bebop you a'right, you are a true bruddah's from another mother!"

[TurtleTitan97]

Well maybe Nick's Bebop will start saying things like, "Hey dawg, what's happenin' homie?" or "Dat's phat, Rocksteady you and me R homies 4 lyfe!"

And Rocksteady will be like, "Bebop you a'right, you are a true bruddah's from another mother!"

.... You can't be serious.:trolleye:

[Shark_Blade]

Well maybe Nick's Bebop will start saying things like, "Hey dawg, what's happenin' homie?" or "Dat's phat, Rocksteady you and me R homies 4 lyfe!"

And Rocksteady will be like, "Bebop you a'right, you are a true bruddah's from another mother!"

Lol wtf? Lmaooo :tlol:

[IMJ]

Please let Bebop be a black man. I hope to god he's not white.

I'm cool with this, but as a point of conversation, how do you feel about the Human Torch being a black man in the new FF movie?

Rocksteady looks fly, Bebop looks pretty awful. If that's the way he's presented in the show I'd call it epic fail #2 after Slash's microhead.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Rocksteady and Bebop's designs look alright. But I still prefer their original designs. Shame that they are going to be idiots again, if their descriptions are true.

[Technogeek29]

Rocksteady and Bebop's designs look alright. But I still prefer their original designs. Shame that they are going to be idiots again, if their descriptions are true.

I don't mind them being idiots if they can be lethal threats like IDW. Heck so far nothing has shown to keep those two down for long. Not even a gernade to the face.

[shredder orokusaki]

Maybe Bebop is a girl in this version?
No, but I highly doubt Stan Sakai has insider knowledge of the Nick cartoon.

So it wasnt him who said that bebop and rocksteady will appear in season 3 and not 2? Then who said that bebop and rocksteady will appear in season 3? If they were to appear in season 2 we would have known it already.

[Storm Eagle]

Well maybe Nick's Bebop will start saying things like, "Hey dawg, what's happenin' homie?" or "Dat's phat, Rocksteady you and me R homies 4 lyfe!"

And Rocksteady will be like, "Bebop you a'right, you are a true bruddah's from another mother!"

Dude, just no.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

Well maybe Nick's Bebop will start saying things like, "Hey dawg, what's happenin' homie?" or "Dat's phat, Rocksteady you and me R homies 4 lyfe!"

And Rocksteady will be like, "Bebop you a'right, you are a true bruddah's from another mother!"

I'm starting to worry about you 'cubed.

[shredder orokusaki]

Just realized that this thread has 6 new pages in only 2 days where others threads takes weeks just to write one page of posts.. Why do you like those 2 idiots so much? it was because that many of my plans failed!!

[ToTheNines]

Well maybe Nick's Bebop will start saying things like, "Hey dawg, what's happenin' homie?" or "Dat's phat, Rocksteady you and me R homies 4 lyfe!"

And Rocksteady will be like, "Bebop you a'right, you are a true bruddah's from another mother!"

Kill yourself. Please.

[Jephael]

To be honest, I'm not really that excited to see Bebop and Rocksteady. I actually found it rather refreshing that they weren't used or needed in the 4Kids series. I'd be more psyched to see the Mutanimals get formed for a change, or something else we've only seen done in the comic books.

[Jester]

Well maybe Nick's Bebop will start saying things like, "Hey dawg, what's happenin' homie?" or "Dat's phat, Rocksteady you and me R homies 4 lyfe!"

And Rocksteady will be like, "Bebop you a'right, you are a true bruddah's from another mother!"
Let me guess Cubed...you have a black friend.

Seriously dude, you've got to knock this ignorant stuff off.

[Punker Don]

Personally, I'm pretty excited for these two. I kind of like the new designs, and that's coming from somebody who typically isn't a fan of the new show's art style. Bebop being skinny was a little weird at first, but its growing on me.
Also like that they have very sci-fi "Kraangy" gear. Gives them a very cyber-punk look. Especially like Bebop upgrading his sunglasses to a Cyclops/Geordi La Forge-esqe visor. Also, looks like RS has some kind of implants in his fist. And is he holding a hammer? Hmm...
Can't wait to see these two in action on the show.

[Chaotix12345]

Digging their designs, especially Bebop's. I like that they're differentiating him more from Rocksteady rather than giving them both the same body-type. Though, it did remind me of the duo's brief cameo in Sonic Universe:

http://i61.tinypic.com/2usaats.jpg

[Punker Don]

It'd be cool if they actually come from the 1980's show.

It could explain why they went missing in the later Red Sky episodes.;)
Dude, that would be amazing!

Digging their designs, especially Bebop's. I like that they're differentiating him more from Rocksteady rather than giving them the same body-type. Though, it did remind me of the duo's brief cameo in Sonic Universe:
http://i61.tinypic.com/2usaats.jpg
As both a hug TMNT and Sonic fan, this image always makes me smile. :tgrin:

[J_Snake_Lorenzo]

Bebop and Rocksteady. This is a dream come true dude.
I've been waiting since the 90's for these awesome dudes to come back.

I just hope there permanent and not just a one or two episode thing.
Also really curious as to who is going to be voicing them and what their voices will sound like.

Bebop needs to fattened up some, and needs his nose ring back.

But i'm stoked for this. Totally stoked.

[1987]

rocksteady looks okaayy, but bebop looks stupid.. did they really have to make him look like a f**kin twig??

[Creativecreature31]

Omg They were in a Sonic Comic!? XD

Now I need a crossover....

[Bossa Nova]

I like their new looks a lot, but not excited to see them at all. What's the point? Aren't Bradford and Xever enough? Why do we need more undeveloped male mutants thrown in for the sake of nostalgia?

[Donatello19]

I like their new looks a lot, but not excited to see them at all. What's the point? Aren't Bradford and Xever enough? Why do we need more undeveloped male mutants thrown in for the sake of nostalgia?

You pretty much answered your own question...nostalgia. Fans of the old show will see these designs, and it will cause hype and whatnot. Create some buzz for the show, you know?

[JTH]

Does Bebop's design resemble...Xever?

[Donatello19]

Does Bebop's design resemble...Xever?

Please...no. I hope not, Fishface is my one of my favorite villains and it would be stupid to ditch him just for nostalgia.

But I doubt it anyway. How do you go from fish to warthog?

[T-U-R-T-L-E POWA!]

Please...no. I hope not, Fishface is my one of my favorite villains and it would be stupid to ditch him just for nostalgia.

But I doubt it anyway. How do you go from fish to warthog?

I try to leave logic out of it because then I would also have to answer the question of how do you go from man to fish. LOL.

[ninja-zero]

Good to see Bebop & Rocksteady getting a revamp.

But I wish Shredder would get some great skilled ninja-like mutants like Tiger Claw & Rahzar to work for him.

[TheBlueTurtle1]

Digging their designs, especially Bebop's. I like that they're differentiating him more from Rocksteady rather than giving them both the same body-type. Though, it did remind me of the duo's brief cameo in Sonic Universe:

http://i61.tinypic.com/2usaats.jpg

Where the shell is this from?

Please...no. I hope not, Fishface is my one of my favorite villains and it would be stupid to ditch him just for nostalgia.

But I doubt it anyway. How do you go from fish to warthog?

Oh no, I hope not, the only thing I have disliked about the show is what they did with Dogpound.

I would hate Fishface being mutated in to Bebop, but you might be correct in your theory:(

[TurFlytle]

Well maybe Nick's Bebop will start saying things like, "Hey dawg, what's happenin' homie?" or "Dat's phat, Rocksteady you and me R homies 4 lyfe!"

And Rocksteady will be like, "Bebop you a'right, you are a true bruddah's from another mother!"

Please, no... :trolleye:

[Metalwolf]

I would hate Fishface being mutated in to Bebop, but you might be correct in your theory:(I don't think he will. The description of the two (from the brief time they were up) mentioned that Shredder mutates two guys from the Purple Dragon clan. It is extremely likely it would have been mentioned if they used to be other characters, so it is extremely unlikely that Bebop is Xever.

[ninja-zero]

I don't think he will. The description of the two (from the brief time they were up) mentioned that Shredder mutates two guys from the Purple Dragon clan. It is extremely likely it would have been mentioned if they used to be other characters, so it is extremely unlikely that Bebop is Xever.

Ur right. Bebop & Rocksteady will be members of the Purple Dragons.

[TigerClaw]

I don't think he will. The description of the two (from the brief time they were up) mentioned that Shredder mutates two guys from the Purple Dragon clan. It is extremely likely it would have been mentioned if they used to be other characters, so it is extremely unlikely that Bebop is Xever.
Yeah, It would make a lot more sense if Bebop and Rocksteady were members of the Purple Dragon who were hired by the Shredder, To be his main Hench Men er Hench Mutants.

[TheBlueTurtle1]

I don't think he will. The description of the two (from the brief time they were up) mentioned that Shredder mutates two guys from the Purple Dragon clan. It is extremely likely it would have been mentioned if they used to be other characters, so it is extremely unlikely that Bebop is Xever.

Fingers crossed your right:)

[Metalwolf]

Yeah, It would make a lot more sense if Bebop and Rocksteady were members of the Purple Dragon who were hired by the Shredder, To be his main Hench Men er Hench Mutants.But why would he replace the two main henchmen he already has with two new guys? Unless those two screw up big time I find it odd that Shredder would decide to replace his two top guys with two lumbering buffoons.

Fingers crossed your right:)I have a good feeling I am ;)

[Chaotix12345]

Where the shell is this from?

Sonic Universe, a Sonic the Hedgehog comic published by Archie Comics. This particular cameo is from issue 29, which takes place in a multiverse prison:

http://i60.tinypic.com/157iqux.jpg

Pretty appropriate, given that Archie published TMNT Adventures. XD

[Warhorse]

But why would he replace the two main henchmen he already has with two new guys? Unless those two screw up big time I find it odd that Shredder would decide to replace his two top guys with two lumbering buffoons.


Well, maybe the two main henchmen start to revolt against the Shredder, and maybe Bebop and Rocksteady might actually be rivalries to Fishface and Dogpound, and lets hope this time, they aren't bumbling buffoons, but serious threats.

[blindturtle02]

Well, maybe the two main henchmen start to revolt against the Shredder, and maybe Bebop and Rocksteady might actually be rivalries to Fishface and Dogpound, and lets hope this time, they aren't bumbling buffoons, but serious threats.

Yeah, hoping they'll be serious threats. I think they'll probably make R and B a bit meaner and less comical this time around. 2012 Shredder wouldn't put up with them otherwise. Now, if he were more like 87 Shredder, I could see that happening. Ciro did say that the show would be getting darker, and I'm hoping Bebop and Rocksteady will be added to that mix.

[Metalwolf]

Well, maybe the two main henchmen start to revolt against the Shredder, and maybe Bebop and Rocksteady might actually be rivalries to Fishface and Dogpound, and lets hope this time, they aren't bumbling buffoons, but serious threats.Well, I did have an old theory of those two eventually turning on Shredder, although I thought it would happen when Tigerclaw came. But maybe I am not too far off the mark with these two after all, and that we see some major Foot vs. Foot infighting. :D

I am thinking that maybe the 'revolt' might be tied to the theft of Shredder's helmet in an upcoming episode. It's in his base, and it doesn't go far when it's off his head, and why would the Turtles go for the helmet? I am guessing they get blamed for it somehow, or even one of them actually stole it, because they were just that fed up. I'm betting the thief might be Bradford since he has more to lose then it being Xever, who likely just sees the Foot and Shredder as a meal ticket.

Edit: I am betting B and R will be serious threats, big time. A bull isn't particularly a bright animal, but you don't want to be in between it and it's intended target. I'm betting that is what these two will be like. :D

[Leofan26]

Good to see Bebop & Rocksteady getting a revamp.

But I wish Shredder would get some great skilled ninja-like mutants like Tiger Claw & Rahzar to work for him.

I'm hoping they act serious this version, it wouldn't fit too well. Can you imagine? Guy like Tiger Claw comes in and says " Mission complete " Than these two goof balls laugh at him and say 80s type words to him:lol:

Don't worry though, it's been confirmed already that Tiger Claw will return so hey'll have him at least :lol:

[BabyTurtles]

it'd be nice if we had more human villains....so many mutants...

[Warhorse]

it'd be nice if we had more human villains....so many mutants...

Well, I guess after they finally get that toy quota out of the way, we might be seeing some more constructed and humanized stories rolling around.

[Shark_Blade]

Sonic Universe, a Sonic the Hedgehog comic published by Archie Comics. This particular cameo is from issue 29, which takes place in a multiverse prison:

http://i60.tinypic.com/157iqux.jpg

Pretty appropriate, given that Archie published TMNT Adventures. XD

Always nice to see fellow Sonic fan, and yes I have that issue too. I love the prison break story. :D

[TheBlueTurtle1]

Sonic Universe, a Sonic the Hedgehog comic published by Archie Comics. This particular cameo is from issue 29, which takes place in a multiverse prison:

http://i60.tinypic.com/157iqux.jpg

Pretty appropriate, given that Archie published TMNT Adventures. XD

cool thanks, ill have to look in t that, I loved the megaman/sonic cross over comis!

[TigerClaw]

But why would he replace the two main henchmen he already has with two new guys? Unless those two screw up big time I find it odd that Shredder would decide to replace his two top guys with two lumbering buffoons.

I have a good feeling I am ;)
Cause Dogpound, I mean Rahzar and Fishface seems to screw up a lot, It happens with Bebop and Rocksteady as well, The only difference is they are a force of nature.

[electric_sheep]

Playmates has a couple of images of there toylines for the Nick TMNT series, And apparently, It shows what appeared to be is some Concept art of Bebop and Rocksteady, Could these be what they will look like in the series?

Bebop

http://playmatestoys.com/uploads/brand/Beebop_bio_pu1.jpg

Rocksteady

http://playmatestoys.com/uploads/brand/Rocksteady_bio_pu1.jpg

That's...horrible.

[drgon78]

It would be cool if Baxter creates Rocksteady and Bebop and they become his henchmen instead of Shredder's.

[Warhorse]

Well, when looking at the episodes, it seems each Turtles has his personal conflicts with a nemesis. Leo with Karai, Mikey with Dogpound, Raph with Spike and Fishface. Donnie seems to be the only one with no real nemesis, unless we want to consider Baxter, but maybe Rocksteady and Bebop could also be potential nemesis.

With the introduction of those two, it would be nice to see some Dogpound and Fishface joining the Turtles sometimes to go against the two new recruits.

[Tora]

Rocksteady has 2 gold plates on his hands and on the top left hand has a hammer symbol on it that looks like one he is holding in the other hand?!?

I wonder if there will be some mystical sci fi twist with him and Bebop.

[BabyTurtles]

Well, when looking at the episodes, it seems each Turtles has his personal conflicts with a nemesis. Leo with Karai, Mikey with Dogpound, Raph with Spike and Fishface. Donnie seems to be the only one with no real nemesis, unless we want to consider Baxter, but maybe Rocksteady and Bebop could also be potential nemesis.

With the introduction of those two, it would be nice to see some Dogpound and Fishface joining the Turtles sometimes to go against the two new recruits.

isn't it obvious? Casesy is his nemesis :D

[OrsonZedd]

Sonic Universe, a Sonic the Hedgehog comic published by Archie Comics. This particular cameo is from issue 29, which takes place in a multiverse prison:



Pretty appropriate, given that Archie published TMNT Adventures. XD

Their helmets look like Mousers.

[Warhorse]

isn't it obvious? Casesy is his nemesis :D

:lol: And Raph's at first too. Wonder what would happen if Donnie and Casey start to out right brawl in front of April, and Casey zaps Donnie with his tazer?

[Krang100]

It would be cool if Baxter creates Rocksteady and Bebop and they become his henchmen instead of Shredder's.

Hey man, if it was happen, it would be cool, a least, Stockman wasn't alone anymore. I don't know if Bebop and Rocksteady are comicals as their 87's counterpart, even in IDW are comicals.

[Hero]

Bebop looks more anorexic than the new Sailor Moon designs.

Looking at the outfits, it would seem they each have some sort of 'Touch N Go' type charging up gimmick. Rocksteady seems to have cybernetic knuckles.

[Rukitron]

Those Subway diets sure paid off for Bebop...

[tmntmikey23]

Those Subway diets sure paid off for Bebop...

i heard sub way sandwichs have Flore mats in there bread

[raph27]

i heard sub way sandwichs have Flore mats in there bread
Wait, what?

[METALHEAD]

someone made a realization on tumblr.

and seeing their body frames it makes perfect sense.
so i made this comparison, sorry cybercube, bebop ain't black.
he's asian.
https://31.media.tumblr.com/b4b0c690bcb0ccd3dd29b9e1c7902c43/tumblr_inline_n53ndj7E5P1s4f17x.png

[T-U-R-T-L-E POWA!]

someone made a realization on tumblr.

and seeing their body frames it makes perfect sense.
so i made this comparison, sorry cybercube, bebop ain't black.
he's asian.
https://31.media.tumblr.com/b4b0c690bcb0ccd3dd29b9e1c7902c43/tumblr_inline_n53ndj7E5P1s4f17x.png

Yeah it makes sense that they would use established Purple Dragon characters. Who knows if they really will but that would make total sense.

[Zulithe]

Those purple dragons ending up being B&R isn't a new theory, it's been tossed around since they first appeared. Frankly I don't really care if it's them or just some random other guys, there are pluses and minuses on both ends.

If they use those established purple dragon thugs... there is already an established backstory and relationship with the turtles, so it kinda ups the drama a little bit.

On the other hand, Bebop is one of the FEW black characters in the franchise and it would be a shame for them to ignore that aspect of him... even if the show does nothing with that detail, it's still something fans and watchers of the show notice so it's important.

So I'm going to bet that they aren't those purple dragons. Shredder will bring in two thugs and they will look similar to the IDW or OT versions of B&R's human forms. The real question is why would he chose B&R in this incarnation? After several failed attempts at sending minions after the turtles, why would he just pick two random thugs? I am hoping there will be something special about them which causes him to chose them this time.

[BubblyShell22]

You know, it wouldn't surprise me if Fong and Sid got turned into B&R, but we'll see how things go and if it really happens.

[blindturtle02]

You know, it wouldn't surprise me if Fong and Sid got turned into B&R, but we'll see how things go and if it really happens.
Yeah, I'd get behind that. They've got to be wanting to pay the turtles back for all the beat downs.

[BubblyShell22]

Yeah, and it would create a background with the Turtles since the PDs have had beef with them. I certainly wouldn't care if this was the case.

[Technogeek29]

You know, it wouldn't surprise me if Fong and Sid got turned into B&R, but we'll see how things go and if it really happens.

Wait hold on! One of the Dragons is named Sid? As in Cousin Sid?

[CyberCubed]

That's all baseless speculation. Bebop has a purple mohawk and Fong doesn't.

They re-use character models in CG all the time. It doesn't mean its those particular human character.

[OrangeNinja1987]

I love Rocksteady's design. It looks like the OT, but it is unique and interesting enough. Can't wait to see Rocksteady in action. I wonder how he'll sound in this cartoon, because he had a cool voice in the OT, in my opinion.
Bebop looks okay. I just think he should be less skinny, because he doesn't look much like a threat. Though, Xever was skinny too but was very threatening to the turtles. I may not like Bebop's design too much now, but it might be awesome in action.
They got my favorite of the two, Rocksteady, just perfect. :D
I wonder if Bebop and Rocksteady will be as stupid as they are in the OT. Probably not, but I doubt they'll be geniuses. Probably still hilarious and a little bumbling at times, but much more of a threat. I'd love to see that. While these are classic characters, they have so much potential and there are so many ways to go with them.

[Tora]

The Kraang make Mutants don't they? I bet B&R will be made by the Kraang.

[Metalwolf]

The Kraang make Mutants don't they? I bet B&R will be made by the Kraang.But their bios say that they will be mutated by Shredder. Non-organic stuff/technology has fused with a living creature before (Roachie) so I imagine this is what happens to them.

[blindturtle02]

I'm glad Shredder is responsible for their mutations. The Kraang haven't really seemed interested in mutating things on purpose sans the planet itself. haha Seems like the only one we know they intentionally mutated was TigerClaw. Shredder appears more interested in playing around with the ooze, so I'm glad he has a hand in B and R's mutations once again.

[NoName999]

As long as they're competent, Bebop can have wings for all I care.

[Xav]

The Kraang haven't really seemed interested in mutating things on purpose sans the planet itself. haha Seems like the only one we know they intentionally mutated was TigerClaw.They did? When was that mentioned?

[Coola Yagami]

That's all baseless speculation. Bebop has a purple mohawk and Fong doesn't.

They re-use character models in CG all the time. It doesn't mean its those particular human character.

The mutation turning his hair purple wouldn't be too out of the question when you compare all the other whacked-out bs the other characters have. They really don't have much reason to waste time on 2 new models that they'll probably only use for half an episode.

[OrokuYoshiFilms]

Here's what I'm hoping:

1. Rahzar gets a hold of Donnie's next batch of RetroMutagen

2. Instead of turning in to Bradford he de-mutates back into DogPound. DogPound surmises he should get more to fully de-mutate back into Bradford

3. This then causes more RetroMutagen hunt/chase scenes episodes

4. Shredder and Baxter create the new Bebop and Rocksteady

5. BEBOP & ROCKSTEADY vs. DOGPOUND & FISHFACE!!! (Hell, that's what I'm gonna do when the figures come out...;p)

6. As a result one of the teams becomes a turtle ally.
...or Shredder just gets a bigger army. Can't really decide.

[TheBlueTurtle1]

Here's what I'm hoping:

1. Rahzar gets a hold of Donnie's next batch of RetroMutagen

2. Instead of turning in to Bradford he de-mutates back into DogPound. DogPound surmises he should get more to fully de-mutate back into Bradford

3. This then causes more RetroMutagen hunt/chase scenes episodes

4. Shredder and Baxter create the new Bebop and Rocksteady

5. BEBOP & ROCKSTEADY vs. DOGPOUND & FISHFACE!!! (Hell, that's what I'm gonna do when the figures come out...;p)

6. As a result one of the teams becomes a turtle ally.
...or Shredder just gets a bigger army. Can't really decide.

I 100% agree with you, and also all 4 of them vs all 4 of the turtles. Nice even number battles for once!

[CyberCubed]

The mutation turning his hair purple wouldn't be too out of the question when you compare all the other whacked-out bs the other characters have. They really don't have much reason to waste time on 2 new models that they'll probably only use for half an episode.

There is no way Fon and the other guy will turn into the iconic Bebop and Rocksteady. Ciro has respect for the source material.

[ninja-zero]

I'd rather see Bebop & Rocksteady as gang members mutated after running into a zoo.

Plus instead of being recruited into the Foot, they are recruited into the Purple Dragons. Though the Shredder hires the P.D.s as mercenaries.

[Electric]

Like the designs, and can't wait to see the CG models.

Just wonder how this is all going to work out with fish face and rahzar, oh and Baxter fly and Karai, and tiger claw...shredders going to have a lot of minions, most ofthem, potentially all of them if he does in fact mutate Karai, mutants.

For the people complaining about this series just being an updated 80s cartoon, it's not at all. Yes they re use certain things from it, I actually think it's one of the best parts of the show, but its it's own show. If you let the little things taken from the 80s show influence your entire view of this one, you're missing out on all the great new things.

It amazes me that people are complaining about this. They're adding back two well-known villains from a previous series, villains that people basically begged to have in this series.and now that they're here new people are just as upset that they're coming. This show cannot please everyone with every decision they make, so why don't you try and let a few things go and instead focus on a few things that you've really liked it this show.

[Coola Yagami]

There is no way Fon and the other guy will turn into the iconic Bebop and Rocksteady. Ciro has respect for the source material.

But he also knows when to try something new.

[Metalwolf]

It amazes me that people are complaining about this. They're adding back two well-known villains from a previous series, villains that people basically begged to have in this series.and now that they're here new people are just as upset that they're coming. This show cannot please everyone with every decision they make, so why don't you try and let a few things go and instead focus on a few things that you've really liked it this show.Well some of it is that this show is looking too much like the 80s show, and not trying to be it's own thing.

I don't mind Bebop and Rocksteady, if it adds something to the show and doesn't come off merely as a nostalgia wank. But otherwise to have those two there only as a nostalgia wank and just to please the 80s fans, comes across as incredibly annoying.

[Coola Yagami]

I basically consider this show sort of a modern remake of the 80s show.

[OrokuYoshiFilms]

I 100% agree with you, and also all 4 of them vs all 4 of the turtles. Nice even number battles for once!

Oooooh yeah! I like that too...! Some one-on-one battles (Raph vs. Fishface, Donnie vs. Bebop etc.) would be cool...

[BlisterStockboy]

I basically consider this show sort of a modern remake of the 80s show.

So do I, but I don't think that's a problem. It's a modern spin on the 80's show which everyone is really nostalgic for. It's all good in my books. :tgrin:

[electric_sheep]

They have gotten really, really lazy with this designs, i don't know if it's a lower budget or something but season 2 mutants are all bland and uninteresting. Baxter is a living proof, but seriously, look at these guys, they look like crap...

[Xav]

There is no way Fon and the other guy will turn into the iconic Bebop and Rocksteady. Ciro has respect for the source material.Right because Bebop and Rocksteady being mutant gang members is so far off from their original incarnation.:roll: It's not like we didn't see changes in the backstories of characters like Rat King, Karai, Mutagen Man, Slash, and Rahzar.

[CyberCubed]

Right because Bebop and Rocksteady being mutant gang members is so far off from their original incarnation.:roll:

Except that the Purple Dragon characters aren't actual "characters," they were essentially background characters for the Turtles to beat up when Xever was still with them. That's why after the early part of Season 1 they started appearing less and less.

Likewise since there's 3 of them its obvious they can't be Bebop/Rocksteady, because what is the third human guy going to do? Bebop/Rocksteady would not become a trio of mutants and they wouldn't just leave one stand-alone human either.

I'm confident we haven't seen Bebop/Rocksteady's human forms in the show yet.

[snake]

Tron Bebop is okay. I may have to see him in action to judge.

I'm really digging Rocksteady; Big, Bulky, and VERY imposing.

[Gimme_Three]

Cool design overall but IMO I wish bebop was more bulkier and had a purple beard and sideburns to go with the hawk lol.

[Xav]

Except that the Purple Dragon characters aren't actual "characters," they were essentially background characters for the Turtles to beat up when Xever was still with them. That's why after the early part of Season 1 they started appearing less and less.

Likewise since there's 3 of them its obvious they can't be Bebop/Rocksteady, because what is the third human guy going to do? Bebop/Rocksteady would not become a trio of mutants and they wouldn't just leave one stand-alone human either.

I'm confident we haven't seen Bebop/Rocksteady's human forms in the show yet.You make some good points but I wouldn't be surprised if they did. This series definitely seems to have a habit of creating new characters only to have them turn into existing characters later.

[Coola Yagami]

You make some good points but I wouldn't be surprised if they did. This series definitely seems to have a habit of creating new characters only to have them turn into existing characters later.

Plus... they'll obviously become more of a 'character' when they become Bebop and Rocksteady. Why not shut up, wait and see?

[CyberCubed]

Plus... they'll obviously become more of a 'character' when they become Bebop and Rocksteady. Why not shut up, wait and see?

Every human who became a mutant was originally shown to be a prominent character before they changed besides ones that debuted in the same episode like the bird guy.

Snakeweed, Spiderbitez, Rahzar, Fishface, Baxter, Mutagen Man, Kirby, Rat King, etc. were all introduced properly before being mutated.

[Coola Yagami]

Every human who became a mutant was originally shown to be a prominent character before they changed besides ones that debuted in the same episode like the bird guy.

Snakeweed, Spiderbitez, Rahzar, Fishface, Baxter, Mutagen Man, Kirby, Rat King, etc. were all introduced properly before being mutated.

While the Dragons haven't been exactly properly introduced... they've been in enough episodes for people to know who they are without anyone saying 'huh? where those guys come from?' If anything, Sid kinda/sorta got his own episode.

[ShreddHedd]

They have gotten really, really lazy with this designs, i don't know if it's a lower budget or something but season 2 mutants are all bland and uninteresting. Baxter is a living proof, but seriously, look at these guys, they look like crap...

I hate when people say they got "lazy with designs". That's incredibly ignorant of you to think that artists who spend endless hours on something, lazy. It's incredibly disrespectful to the dozens of artists it takes to create these characters we love and I think your taste is just different from what they're delivering.

Lazy would incur that they put zero effort into designing these characters, but I think you're blind. Bebop obviously looks to be futuristic or tech oriented. There has to be some decision as to why he's not just a street thug if he's decked out like that. It also looks to have infused with his skin, meaning we could see some awesome abilities from him. That doesn't sound lazy, that sounds complicated and awesome.

Rocksteady seems to be a mercenary of some sort infused with metal. That looks badass. So he must have been some kind of blunt weapon wielding badass that fights the turtles later. It looks like a golden hammer of some sort. You can even see sprinkles of gold on his skin. Those details, take plenty of thought and effort to execute. Across all boards, from coming up with the idea of the character, the designers drawing them, the painters making up the colors, THEN on top of that, making into 3D.

Dude, you need a reality check, these guys are awesome and the people making them seem to be kicking ass at making them.

[electric_sheep]

I hate when people say they got "lazy with designs". That's incredibly ignorant of you to think that artists who spend endless hours on something, lazy. It's incredibly disrespectful to the dozens of artists it takes to create these characters we love and I think your taste is just different from what they're delivering.

Lazy would incur that they put zero effort into designing these characters, but I think you're blind. Bebop obviously looks to be futuristic or tech oriented. There has to be some decision as to why he's not just a street thug if he's decked out like that. It also looks to have infused with his skin, meaning we could see some awesome abilities from him. That doesn't sound lazy, that sounds complicated and awesome.

Rocksteady seems to be a mercenary of some sort infused with metal. That looks badass. So he must have been some kind of blunt weapon wielding badass that fights the turtles later. It looks like a golden hammer of some sort. You can even see sprinkles of gold on his skin. Those details, take plenty of thought and effort to execute. Across all boards, from coming up with the idea of the character, the designers drawing them, the painters making up the colors, THEN on top of that, making into 3D.

Dude, you need a reality check, these guys are awesome and the people making them seem to be kicking ass at making them.

"Lazy with designs" means that they are being lazy when designing them, not when they are rendering them. I don't get what they are trying to do here, they look way more like a caricature than other charachters in the show, and the desingns aren't that great themself, does he need golden teeth or golden hand things? i mean he's a fricking rhinoceros. It's ok that people like them but to me they lool like crap. I'd rather have something like this

http://www.razorfine.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/tmnt-micro-series-bebop-rocksteady.jpg

[ShreddHedd]

"Lazy with designs" means that they are being lazy when designing them, not when they are rendering them. I don't get what they are trying to do here, they look way more like a caricature than other charachters in the show, and the desingns aren't that great themself, does he need golden teeth or golden hand things? i mean he's a fricking rhinoceros. It's ok that people like them but to me they lool like crap. I'd rather have something like this

http://www.razorfine.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/tmnt-micro-series-bebop-rocksteady.jpg

Your term still doesn't mean they were lazy when designing them. Do you know what it takes to design something? What you're looking for isn't what they created so automatically it was lazy? If we're going by that standard, then the IDW versions you posted are pretty lazy and uninspired as well. They stuck pretty close to their 80's counterparts, with similar color schemes and outfits. At least with what the Nickelodeon people are doing are creating more of a narrative with their characters.

I don't think they look "caricatures" at all. We have giant wolves and fish and a tiger man, but you think that these two are caricatures? Yes Rocksteady is a fricking rhinoceros, but he doesn't NEED anything. But the fact that he has gold on him means SOMETHING. That means the way they were mutated had something to do with HOW they're going to fight. Hmm an extremely powerful rhinoceros now has gold metal imbued into his fists? I'd rather see that than another gun or knife.

It's totally fine for you to not like them, but you calling the designs lazy is extremely disrespectful. I would love to know how you would feel if someone called your work lazy, when they don't have a shred of knowledge of what it takes to do your job. Call them crap, fine, that's just your taste and I can respect that. But calling them lazy is awful.

[NoName999]

I wouldn't call them lazy designs.

Simple designs (which is not necessarily a bad thing) yes. But not lazy

[Coola Yagami]

Somewhere in a dark corner in the Nick building, Ciro is drawing out the sketchwork for the scene where Sid becomes Rocksteady and some random white guy becomes Bebop... just to piss Cybercubed off. 'This will teach him to run me off their forum... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!" -lightning strikes-

[Gin Rummy]

I am happy they are finally going to appear in the show. But I am worried about Shredder's ever expanding Stable of thugs. Fishface has become practically none existent this season.

I actually really do enjoy these updated looks. I like it when Rocksteady is drawn to be bigger than Bebop. and I would love to see Barry Gordon, and Cam Clarke return to do the voices.

[Xav]

If anything, Sid kinda/sorta got his own episode.He did? Which episode was that?

[electric_sheep]

I am happy they are finally going to appear in the show. But I am worried about Shredder's ever expanding Stable of thugs. Fishface has become practically none existent this season.

I actually really do enjoy these updated looks. I like it when Rocksteady is drawn to be bigger than Bebop. and I would love to see Barry Gordon, and Cam Clarke return to do the voices.

How many mutants does shredder have around him now, 10? But kids gotta have those toys, right?

[Coola Yagami]

How many mutants does shredder have around him now, 10? But kids gotta have those toys, right?

Just Chris, Xever, and I guess now Baxter. Karai still isn't a mutant and he lost Tiger Claw rather quickly. The rest are robot Foot.

The episode with Murakami dealt with Leo sparing Sid (or Fong? The skinny one) a couple of times. In the end when Chris and Xever had the turtles beat, he threw in Leo's sword to give them a fighting chance.

[Universal_Adam]

I hate when people say they got "lazy with designs". That's incredibly ignorant of you to think that artists who spend endless hours on something, lazy. It's incredibly disrespectful to the dozens of artists it takes to create these characters we love and I think your taste is just different from what they're delivering.

Lazy would incur that they put zero effort into designing these characters, but I think you're blind. Bebop obviously looks to be futuristic or tech oriented. There has to be some decision as to why he's not just a street thug if he's decked out like that. It also looks to have infused with his skin, meaning we could see some awesome abilities from him. That doesn't sound lazy, that sounds complicated and awesome.

Rocksteady seems to be a mercenary of some sort infused with metal. That looks badass. So he must have been some kind of blunt weapon wielding badass that fights the turtles later. It looks like a golden hammer of some sort. You can even see sprinkles of gold on his skin. Those details, take plenty of thought and effort to execute. Across all boards, from coming up with the idea of the character, the designers drawing them, the painters making up the colors, THEN on top of that, making into 3D.

Dude, you need a reality check, these guys are awesome and the people making them seem to be kicking ass at making them.


YES! THANK YOU! Right on the head here. People also don't get how many hours and days and meetings the design process takes up. It's not like someone slopped this together. There were probably several different designs created before these were chosen.
As an artist myself, and someone studying graphic design, and eventually animation, I can almost guarantee that probably months were spent sketching out different ideas, and there were probably NUMEROUS meetings on what should be added, changed, etc. Lazy would indicate they just whipped something up and put it out. I can promise that wasn't the case here.

[snake]

He did? Which episode was that?

Pretty sure it was "Never Say Xever".

[electric_sheep]

YES! THANK YOU! Right on the head here. People also don't get how many hours and days and meetings the design process takes up. It's not like someone slopped this together. There were probably several different designs created before these were chosen.
As an artist myself, and someone studying graphic design, and eventually animation, I can almost guarantee that probably months were spent sketching out different ideas, and there were probably NUMEROUS meetings on what should be added, changed, etc. Lazy would indicate they just whipped something up and put it out. I can promise that wasn't the case here.

is every single person here some kind of artist?

[Metalwolf]

is every single person here some kind of artist?Looks to be so, but I've never shown any of my stuff yet...don't have a scanner. :lol:

[Powder]

is every single person here some kind of artist?

Yes.

In all seriousness, it seems like TMNT's fanbase has a laaaaaarge portion of folks who became artists because of the green team, myself included.

[CyberCubed]

Man I wish I could draw. Ever since I was a kid I always tried to draw but never could, so I simply traced stuff off of official art.

I guess being an artist is just something you have to be born with, just like the people who have musical talent or mathematical ability. If you're not born with these things you just can't do it.

[Shark_Blade]

Man I wish I could draw. Ever since I was a kid I always tried to draw but never could, so I simply traced stuff off of official art.

I guess being an artist is just something you have to be born with, just like the people who have musical talent or mathematical ability. If you're not born with these things you just can't do it.

Nope. Like any profession, without constant practice and learning new skills, just being lazy and not doing anything won't get you anywhere.

If you want to learn new things like drawing, music, diving, new language etc.. just ****ing do it. No one's stopping you, only you put limits on yourself all this time.

[BubblyShell22]

Pretty sure it was "Never Say Xever".

That was Fong, not Sid. Sid is the PD with the brown hair and headband.

[Universal_Adam]

How many mutants does shredder have around him now, 10? But kids gotta have those toys, right?

You DO realize that the original cartoon was pretty much created to sell toys right? Do you have any idea how many figures there were that were mutants associated with Shredder in the original cartoon and in the toy line?

[CyberCubed]

You DO realize that the original cartoon was pretty much created to sell toys right? Do you have any idea how many figures there were that were mutants associated with Shredder in the original cartoon and in the toy line?

Very few? He pretty much only ever had Bebop/Rocksteady, and whatever other mutants he tried to create like Groundchuck/Dirtbag or the Punk Frogs turned on him in the same episode.

[electric_sheep]

Yes.

In all seriousness, it seems like TMNT's fanbase has a laaaaaarge portion of folks who became artists because of the green team, myself included.

Same here, first thing i ever drew is a picture of Vegeta from DBZ and TMNT.

You DO realize that the original cartoon was pretty much created to sell toys right? Do you have any idea how many figures there were that were mutants associated with Shredder in the original cartoon and in the toy line?

Who is talking about Original cartoon? That doesen't have to do anything with anything...

[Universal_Adam]

Same here, first thing i ever drew is a picture of Vegeta from DBZ and TMNT.



Who is talking about Original cartoon? That doesen't have to do anything with anything...

You essentially criticized the fact that there are several mutants because "kids gotta have toys" Or at least that's how I read it.

My point is that in almost every animated series made, including the original, the point is to sell toys.

[electric_sheep]

You essentially criticized the fact that there are several mutants because "kids gotta have toys" Or at least that's how I read it.

My point is that in almost every animated series made, including the original, the point is to sell toys.

Well yeah but they can be a little more subtle about it, Shredder has this mutants that stand around him and do nothing, the whole shredder's lair is one giant toy comercial, who wants good stories when you have crappy designed mutants, right?

[shinefra]

I think Rocksteady Is ok way better than Slash but I really don't like bebop"s head on that body, its like at first they wanted to make him more like the old series but at the last minute they made his body skinny with a little bra just to be more "Original", it just doesn't feel right to me.

....is Bebop wearing a bra? WTF :tconfuse:

lol I thought the same thing :lol:

Either way y love the fact that they will appear on the show. :)

[NoName999]

You essentially criticized the fact that there are several mutants because "kids gotta have toys" Or at least that's how I read it.

My point is that in almost every animated series made, including the original, the point is to sell toys.

Which is still a dumb thing to do because toylines are failing in favor of video games. (http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/currency/2014/02/the-trouble-with-toys.html)

And yet companies are too dumb to evolve with the change.

[Metalwolf]

Which is still a dumb thing to do because toylines are failing in favor of video games. (http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/currency/2014/02/the-trouble-with-toys.html)

And yet companies are too dumb to evolve with the change.That's because parents are buying too many video games and not telling their kids 'No.' What kid needs an Ipad? Shouldn't they be playing in the yard or running around with their friends instead of sitting on their butts and staring at a screen?

[pennydreadful]

That's because parents are buying too many video games and not telling their kids 'No.' What kid needs an Ipad? Shouldn't they be playing in the yard or running around with their friends instead of sitting on their butts and staring at a screen?

Hells no - keep those darn kids off my lawn! :lol:

[Coola Yagami]

That's because parents are buying too many video games and not telling their kids 'No.' What kid needs an Ipad? Shouldn't they be playing in the yard or running around with their friends instead of sitting on their butts and staring at a screen?

Rofl. This isn't the 80s.

[Universal_Adam]

Very few? He pretty much only ever had Bebop/Rocksteady, and whatever other mutants he tried to create like Groundchuck/Dirtbag or the Punk Frogs turned on him in the same episode.

Let's see.
There was
Bebop
Rocksteady
Baxter Stockman
Slash
Tokka
Rahzar
Antrax
Scumbug
Leatherhead
Ground Chuck
Dirtbag

Just to name a few.

Before you say that Shredder didn't create all of them. No. He didn't. But if you read my post I said "Mutants associated with Shredder that were also in the toy line.

My point is that back then, and even today, cool mutants usually make cool toys. If kids see cool mutants, they will want those cool toys. I'm not going to fault someone for trying to make money, especially when I personally don't feel like the show is lacking anything because of it.

[stayunspoiled]

Let's see.
There was
Bebop
Rocksteady
Baxter Stockman
Slash
Tokka
Rahzar
Antrax
Scumbug
Leatherhead
Ground Chuck
Dirtbag

Just to name a few.

Before you say that Shredder didn't create all of them. No. He didn't. But if you read my post I said "Mutants associated with Shredder that were also in the toy line.

My point is that back then, and even today, cool mutants usually make cool toys. If kids see cool mutants, they will want those cool toys. I'm not going to fault someone for trying to make money, especially when I personally don't feel like the show is lacking anything because of it.

Add:
Mutagen Man
Muckman and Joe Eyeball

[ssjup81]

So, they're bringing these two in? Really tryng to tug the nostalgia heartstrings for us older ones, eh? lol Anywho, I like Rocksteady's design....Bebop's, not so much.

I hope they won't be portrayed as incompetent or dumb. That's one thing I hated about the OT. I love their portrayal in the beginining. An actual threat to the turtles for the most part given their strength and how they had to outdo them. Seems like with Baxter, the mutagen affected their brains. Maybe it was a side effect. Baxter losing his intelligence over time since flies have tiny brains isn't surprising, though.

[ssjup81]

You DO realize that the original cartoon was pretty much created to sell toys right? Do you have any idea how many figures there were that were mutants associated with Shredder in the original cartoon and in the toy line?To be honest, I don't remember the OT having many mutants at all, mostly mad scientist-related stuff, until the later seasons, but even then the amount of mutants for the 2k12 series can't even compare to the OT quantity wise.

[MisfitKraang]

I like the updates! They look really nice and cool my only complaint is please give Rocksteady boots!:D

[Donatello19]

How many mutants does shredder have around him now, 10? But kids gotta have those toys, right?

3. He has 3. And you do realize that the only reason the original show was even made was to sell toys, right?

[NoName999]

If the original show jumped off a cliff would the current show have to as well?

[CyberCubed]

Let's see.
There was
Bebop
Rocksteady
Baxter Stockman
Slash
Tokka
Rahzar
Antrax
Scumbug
Leatherhead
Ground Chuck
Dirtbag

Just to name a few.

Before you say that Shredder didn't create all of them. No. He didn't. But if you read my post I said "Mutants associated with Shredder that were also in the toy line.

My point is that back then, and even today, cool mutants usually make cool toys. If kids see cool mutants, they will want those cool toys. I'm not going to fault someone for trying to make money, especially when I personally don't feel like the show is lacking anything because of it.

Shredder only had two mutant henchman, Bebop and Rocksteady. Every character you listed was only associated with him for about one episode other than Baxter.

[Powder]

If the original show jumped off a cliff would the current show have to as well?

You don't know how the animation industry works, do you?

[NoName999]

Enough to know that making show to sell toys is idiotic since the toyline is dying.

[Coola Yagami]

Enough to know that making show to sell toys is idiotic since the toyline is dying.

Which toyline?

[CyberCubed]

Considering well written shows like Young Justice were canceled because the toyline bombed, I don't see how anyone can say the show doesn't need the toys to survive.

[NoName999]

Which toyline?

I meant in general

[Powder]

So ALL toylines are dying? Nobody is buying toys anymore? :trolleye:

[pennydreadful]

The toylines are dead. Long live the toylines. :lol:

[Kendamu]

Rocksteady is fine. Bebop reminds me of Baxter Fly and Karai as I didn't think they looked great until I saw them in motion. This applies again with Bebop. I'm betting I'll like him better when I see him in motion.

[LivingMutagen]

I meant in general

*cough*Transformers*cough*

[billbot85]

Wow, just saw these B&R images. Sorry to be late to the party.

Rocksteady looks pretty cool, but I'm not digging Bebop's design, seems too skinny.

[Shiro Kame]

Wow, just saw these B&R images. Sorry to be late to the party.

Rocksteady looks pretty cool, but I'm not digging Bebop's design, seems too skinny.

That's pretty much what I thought.

[Stugehen]

I just hope that if they add in Bebop and Rocksteady they either make them a serious threat or get rid of Fishface and Rahzar somehow. That's one too many bumbling henchmen for me.

[Metalwolf]

I just hope that if they add in Bebop and Rocksteady they either make them a serious threat or get rid of Fishface and Rahzar somehow. That's one too many bumbling henchmen for me.Hopefully these guys won't be too bumbling, because that always annoyed me about the 80s' cartoon. Although I do admit I'm curious to see how long Shredder puts up with them, unless they're the result of some sort of revenge by Baxter (the start of his desired 'mutant army' perhaps?) and he's going to sic them on Shredder. That would remove the issue of Shredder having too many mutant henchmen, since half of these would end up being Baxter's.

[blindturtle02]

Yeah Metalwolf, wondering what it would be like if they served someone other than Shredder. I was glad that Shredder/Kraang alliance didn't take place until the last few eps of season 1. If B and R do work for Shredder, I hope it doesn't happen right away. I guess it probably will though.

[Stugehen]

Hopefully these guys won't be too bumbling, because that always annoyed me about the 80s' cartoon. Although I do admit I'm curious to see how long Shredder puts up with them, unless they're the result of some sort of revenge by Baxter (the start of his desired 'mutant army' perhaps?) and he's going to sic them on Shredder. That would remove the issue of Shredder having too many mutant henchmen, since half of these would end up being Baxter's.

I would really like that actually. Baxter is always getting crapped on in every continuity so it'd be cool to see his character grow some manhood and lead a mutant army. Kinda like Old Hob in IDW.

[pennydreadful]

I just hope that if they add in Bebop and Rocksteady they either make them a serious threat or get rid of Fishface and Rahzar somehow. That's one too many bumbling henchmen for me.

Ditto (though I do actually enjoy Fishface)... I'd hope they get a little more fleshed out if we do see them again, otherwise I really don't see the point. I don't really want to see another dimwitted B&R interpretation where they flub everything they do - it's not very interesting to watch, IMO. No offense intended to those who do enjoy 80's B&R!

[Coola Yagami]

I just hope that if they add in Bebop and Rocksteady they either make them a serious threat or get rid of Fishface and Rahzar somehow. That's one too many bumbling henchmen for me.

No. The more the better. Why does Shredder always send 2 people to take on a team of four? That one episode looked epic with Tiger Claw, Rahzar, Fishface and Karai all fighting the Turtles at the same time. We need more of that.

[bone]

It'd be interesting to see Nick Shredder and B&R interact, since he contrasts pretty significantly from 80's Shredder. :) Could be like Turtles Forever when 2k3 Shredder met them.

And I kiiiiiind of like the size difference between the two in this design. Kind of. Rocksteady definitely looks cool

[ssjup81]

I just hope that if they add in Bebop and Rocksteady they either make them a serious threat or get rid of Fishface and Rahzar somehow. That's one too many bumbling henchmen for me.Yeah, definitely. Early OT they weren't so bad. They were an actual threat. Later on, they became the comedy relief entirely.

[CyberCubed]

Yeah, definitely. Early OT they weren't so bad. They were an actual threat. Later on, they became the comedy relief entirely.

They became comedy relief the moment Season 2 began. By Season 3 they were entirely comic relief.

[Leofan26]

What are you guy's hoping for from these guy's? Comical or more serious? I'm hoping they are serious this season, it won't match right. Shredder is serious this series compared to the Shredder of the 80s series, can you imagine how that'd workXD

[MST3KFan]

I'm hoping they're kind of like how the IDW comics have them. Comical, but still very much a threat. I mean the IDW versions take bullets like it was nothing to them.

[Discogod]

They became comedy relief the moment Season 2 began. By Season 3 they were entirely comic relief.

They were comic relief the moment they appeared on screen. A classic case of great design let down by awful characterization (like most of the '87 toon).

[pennydreadful]

What are you guy's hoping for from these guy's? Comical or more serious? I'm hoping they are serious this season, it won't match right. Shredder is serious this series compared to the Shredder of the 80s series, can you imagine how that'd workXD

I'd like them to be mostly serious with a little comic relief.

[Coola Yagami]

I'm hoping they're kind of like how the IDW comics have them. Comical, but still very much a threat. I mean the IDW versions take bullets like it was nothing to them.

Exactly. They were still the lovable dumbasses from before but this time so powerful it was hardly a disadvantage. The turtles did absolutely NOTHING to them when they first fought.

[TigerClaw]

Here is Bebop's Human form, Took a little screen capture from the clip.

http://i58.tinypic.com/2le6y6r.jpg

[Shiro Kame]

Here is Bebop's Human form, Took a little screen capture from the clip.

http://i58.tinypic.com/2le6y6r.jpg

He looks like an African American Tron rip off.

[TigerClaw]

He looks like an African American Tron rip off.
At least they got the African American and Mohawk parts right, But I have a feeling that suit is made of Kraang tech.

[CyberCubed]

I knew Ciro would keep Bebop's iconic design. He's black with shades and a purple Mohawk, that's all you need.

I remember laughing at the ridiculous claim that Fon or those Purple dragon losers would become the iconic Bebop and Rocksteady. Shows those people don't know how important the human designs are to Bebop and Rocksteady.

I can't wait to see what human Rocksteady looks like.

[snake]

I can't wait to see what human Rocksteady looks like.

Yup, hopefully Rocksteady shows up this episode.

[TurtleTitan97]

I knew Ciro would keep Bebop's iconic design.

No you didn't. You were literally the only person complaining and whining about how you hoped Bebop wouldn't be a white man, even though there was no evidence that wasn't even going to happen.

You really should learn to put more faith in the Ciro and the rest of the crew.

[NoName999]

This show seems to be confused.

Why bother giving good human designs destined to become mutants?

Waste of good design, imo