donny Just flipped a car...Im treating this movie as a cartoon from now on.

[Sighphi]

With Leo landing and creating craters, Raph back-handing some one to space, his destruction of the Humvee, Mike with the rocket skateboard, and now Don flipping a truck with his bow... it's pretty obvious that any sort of logic has been thrown out the window.

Yes, this is a movie about anthropomorphized turtles and a rat but that is just a specific section to create this story. The rest of the world doesnt really have function in the same crazy way. Heck in the Nick cartoon Don's Bo actually brakes and they have aliens and other dimensions.

This way i may enjoy the movie more. And i am actually doing this because of the Godzilla movie. The marketing for that movie gave you the impression that the movie was going to be one way but the movie is totally different. So with these little hints i am preparing myself for some crazy crap.

[Candy Kappa]

It's going to be a zany cartoony ride.

It's funny to see how fragile Nicktoon Donnie's staff is, as actual Bo don't break as easy, but a telescopic staff PD Donnie uses seems rather... Sturdy.

[TurtleTitan97]

It's funny to see how fragile Nicktoon Donnie's staff is, as actual Bo don't break as easy, but a telescopic staff PD Donnie uses seems rather... Sturdy.

Which is made even funnier by the fact it flipped over a freaking truck.:lol:

[Candy Kappa]

With its spring-loaded action feature :lol:

[Sewer Sirens Podcast]

I want to say they have a reason for the truck going up in the air, by Donnie using his staff, as they come down the mountain. Don's staff (from what I've seen), isn't wooden, yet retractable. It doesn't look as breakable.

He put the bo, retracted, under the truck, and then with leverages it off a rock as he extends the bo under the truck.

However, that's all from memory and based off of not the best recording of the trailer from the theatre.

Also, a rocket skateboard is on par or even less than the same as something like Iron Man, Leo hasn't created "craters" (in my opinion). But I will give you Raph (however, I don't think they were intending to really have him going straight up, you just notice it after seeing the video in repeat)

[electric_sheep]

Maybe there's a really low gravity in this universe? That would explain why everything is so big, it needs to be heavy not to float away, that's why trucks are so light and foot soldiers fly into orbit.

[Xiewin]

Which is made even funnier by the fact it flipped over a freaking truck.:lol:

I don't know if you guys noticed, but when Donnie was about to flip the truck over, he pressed a red button on his staff and used a large rock as a way to spring the truck upward. But I still don't know what material that staff is made of though :ohwell:

[chrisdude]

Eh. Yeah, they seem to bend the rules of physics a bit, but so what? I don't agree with the prevailing Hollywood reasoning that you can do whatever wild things you want in animation, but if you film a movie in live action, everything needs to be realistic. Who drew that line?

Isn't it a negative that comic book properties only get live action feature films by being forced into a realistic world? Anything that helps break that barrier is fine by me.

[Sighphi]

Maybe there's a really low gravity in this universe? That would explain why everything is so big, it needs to be heavy not to float away, that's why trucks are so light and foot soldiers fly into orbit.

That makes sense.
Maybe the Utroms have been slowly lowering the gravity of the planet so they can walk around without using robots.

[Xiewin]

I think people are being a little bit too harsh on this movie..

[xChri5x]

Oh boy, another thread.

[IndigoErth]

This thing is gonna have some serious stretch marks by September with all the pulling in opposite directions between trying [too?] hard to be "realistic" and really unrealistic at the same time.

(Then again, with those muscles, so will the Turtles themselves.)

[graphic_content]

Oh boy, another thread.

Lol, my thoughts exactly.

[Sighphi]

Oh boy, another thread.

In a forum! :o

Surprising, isnt it.



Eh. Yeah, they seem to bend the rules of physics a bit, but so what? I don't agree with the prevailing Hollywood reasoning that you can do whatever wild things you want in animation, but if you film a movie in live action, everything needs to be realistic. Who drew that line?

Isn't it a negative that comic book properties only get live action feature films by being forced into a realistic world? Anything that helps break that barrier is fine by me.

There's a certain level of goofiness you can do and this is apparent in all action films. Most of the stuff that Batman does is not really possible in real life. Those bat ropes he uses to escape need a device that is way bigger than the one he uses and one cant really glide the way Batman does but they still fall within a certain level of realism.

Flipping a truck with a stick, tackling a truck, and breaking bricks when you land are outside of the range of the standard turtle levels. But if they explain that.... they are hulk-level in strength i guess those events makes a bit more sense. But if they are the rocket skateboard makes no sense cause the power needed to move those things is tremendous! Unless those are Utrom tech... then i guess that makes sense...

Still... i am preparing for none of this to make any sense and going in thinking this is just a cartoon.

[pennydreadful]

With Leo landing and creating craters, Raph back-handing some one to space, his destruction of the Humvee, Mike with the rocket skateboard, and now Don flipping a truck with his bow... it's pretty obvious that any sort of logic has been thrown out the window.

Yes, this is a movie about anthropomorphized turtles and a rat but that is just a specific section to create this story. The rest of the world doesnt really have function in the same crazy way. Heck in the Nick cartoon Don's Bo actually brakes and they have aliens and other dimensions.

This way i may enjoy the movie more. And i am actually doing this because of the Godzilla movie. The marketing for that movie gave you the impression that the movie was going to be one way but the movie is totally different. So with these little hints i am preparing myself for some crazy crap.

This is the direction I'm leaning towards atm. As I've said before, if I expect something on the level of the 1990 film, I'm bound to be disappointed - it's obvious at this stage that we're not going to get it. So maybe if I don't take it as seriously, I can enjoy it in a different way.

[chrisdude]

There's a certain level of goofiness you can do and this is apparent in all action films. Most of the stuff that Batman does is not really possible in real life. Those bat ropes he uses to escape need a device that is way bigger than the one he uses and one cant really glide the way Batman does but they still fall within a certain level of realism.

Flipping a truck with a stick, tackling a truck, and breaking bricks when you land are outside of the range of the standard turtle levels. But if they explain that.... they are hulk-level in strength i guess those events makes a bit more sense. But if they are the rocket skateboard makes no sense cause the power needed to move those things is tremendous! Unless those are Utrom tech... then i guess that makes sense...

Still... i am preparing for none of this to make any sense and going in thinking this is just a cartoon.That's exactly what I'm talking about. We wouldn't question this stuff in a cartoon, or a comic book. But there's something about shooting something with a camera that makes everyone say, "They had better explain this, because it needs to make sense."

It's just like how people can't accept a dramatic, mature story if it's animated. Animation can only be for kids. It just doesn't make sense to me.

[Leolead]

With Leo landing and creating craters, Raph back-handing some one to space, his destruction of the Humvee, Mike with the rocket skateboard, and now Don flipping a truck with his bow... it's pretty obvious that any sort of logic has been thrown out the window.

Yes, this is a movie about anthropomorphized turtles and a rat but that is just a specific section to create this story. The rest of the world doesnt really have function in the same crazy way. Heck in the Nick cartoon Don's Bo actually brakes and they have aliens and other dimensions.

This way i may enjoy the movie more. And i am actually doing this because of the Godzilla movie. The marketing for that movie gave you the impression that the movie was going to be one way but the movie is totally different. So with these little hints i am preparing myself for some crazy crap.

I think you're exaggerating everything, And donny did not flip the car over.

[TurtleTitan97]

And donny did not flip the car over.

You're right, it wasn't a car.

It was a freaking TRUCK! With just his bo staff!

Clearly, real world physics are going to be ignored in this film.:lol:

[Leolead]

You're right, it wasn't a car.

It was a freaking TRUCK! With just his bo staff!

Clearly, real world physics are going to be ignored in this film.:lol:

Don is sliding down a hill again and sticks the bow staff in the wheel-weld and causes it to flip that way.

[electric_sheep]

Don is sliding down a hill again and sticks the bow staff in the wheel-weld and causes it to flip that way.

because science, physics, logic...
That staff better be made out of the heart of a dying star or that scene is going to be very silly.

[TurtleTitan97]

Don is sliding down a hill again and sticks the bow staff in the wheel-weld and causes it to flip that way.

No, he literally stuck his Staff underneath a truck, pressed a button, and it FLIPPED the truck over.

But Y'know, we're just gonna have to agree to disagree.

[Leolead]

because science, physics, logic...
That staff better be made out of the heart of a dying star or that scene is going to be very silly.

:| actually it looks like donny is pressing a red button so...

[Glados]

Eh. Yeah, they seem to bend the rules of physics a bit, but so what? I don't agree with the prevailing Hollywood reasoning that you can do whatever wild things you want in animation, but if you film a movie in live action, everything needs to be realistic. Who drew that line?

Isn't it a negative that comic book properties only get live action feature films by being forced into a realistic world? Anything that helps break that barrier is fine by me.

Well said! Films like Iron Man are full of realism-stretching stuff too, but that doesn't mean it's a bad movie! A little over-the-top'ish stuff I can tolerate. It doesn't mean I'll swallow anything, but so far I haven't really seen anything in this film that is too outrageous for me to swallow.

[Sighphi]

That's exactly what I'm talking about. We wouldn't question this stuff in a cartoon, or a comic book. But there's something about shooting something with a camera that makes everyone say, "They had better explain this, because it needs to make sense."

It's just like how people can't accept a dramatic, mature story if it's animated. Animation can only be for kids. It just doesn't make sense to me.

Yeah, cartoons may get a bit more leeway but they are not immune to this.
Tom and Jerry are not on the same level as Ghost in the Shell: SAC.

[chrisdude]

Yeah, cartoons may get a bit more leeway but they are not immune to this.
Tom and Jerry are not on the same level as Ghost in the Shell: SAC.The Japanese culture doesn't seem to have a problem accepting animation as a medium for dramatic, mature storytelling.

[Puddinpop]

Thank god it's only a movie... we'd be all Alex Jones up in this biotch :lol:
Awesome thread btw

[Andrew NDB]

I don't know if you guys noticed, but when Donnie was about to flip the truck over, he pressed a red button on his staff and used a large rock as a way to spring the truck upward. But I still don't know what material that staff is made of though :ohwell:

Surely basic materials they found in the sewer...

:roll:

[Candy Kappa]

Surely basic materials they found in the sewer...

:roll:

Same spot where they found the Van and the paints to customize it :lol:

[sh3llshocked]

In a forum! :o

Surprising, isnt it.





There's a certain level of goofiness you can do and this is apparent in all action films. Most of the stuff that Batman does is not really possible in real life. Those bat ropes he uses to escape need a device that is way bigger than the one he uses and one cant really glide the way Batman does but they still fall within a certain level of realism.

Flipping a truck with a stick, tackling a truck, and breaking bricks when you land are outside of the range of the standard turtle levels. But if they explain that.... they are hulk-level in strength i guess those events makes a bit more sense. But if they are the rocket skateboard makes no sense cause the power needed to move those things is tremendous! Unless those are Utrom tech... then i guess that makes sense...

Still... i am preparing for none of this to make any sense and going in thinking this is just a cartoon.

Actually, just saw an episode of TMNT 2012 where Raph is thrown into a brick wall, after being flung from a van and when his shell hit the brick wall building it smashed/cracked the wall.

Also saw Shredder pull 3 foot long retractable claws out and then a 3rd middle "swordlike" claw.

I find it funny listening to people come up with all these commentd about the movie and the cartoons did the same thing.

And all this talk about "a certain level of realism"... to me its either real or its not. You cant sit here and critique things that are unrealistic but accept others...well, you can it just makes no sense...

[graphic_content]

i dont know about you guys but i go dumpster diving, and make frequent trips into my local sewers to find awesome tech...

...in fact, i built my laptop from scraps i got in the sewers, and built my man-servant robot from parts i found at the local landfill.

[Sighphi]

i dont know about you guys but i go dumpster diving, and make frequent trips into my local sewers to find awesome tech...

...in fact, i built my laptop from scraps i got in the sewers, and built my man-servant robot from parts i found at the local landfill.

Actually in NYC you can find a lot of good stuff when office buildings throw away their "old" things.

http://i.imgur.com/J7kxfKt.jpg

I actually passed this guy on my way to work a bunch of times.
Some of the stuff Don has is possible.

[Gokhan]

Donatello flips a car with his Bo staff in the new released clips... it happens in the scene where they are going down the snow hill

I'm excited 2 have a new movie but super powered turtles bothers me slightly

[Zulithe]

Two things... I'm not an apologist just some observations:

1. yes, the turtles this time are bigger, beefier, stronger... not quite to The Hulk levels but you could definitely say they are "hulked out" -- though Don is less so than the other 3. The producers of this film chose to go a little further with what a mutant turtle might actually be capable of.

2. It's no ordinary staff... it's some sort of techno-gadget staff he made. You can tell by looking at promotional images of him holding it, as well as the toys. So it is capable of a bit more than your standard wooden staff.

[slingtheory]

The words. Do. Not. Want. As a fan of the martial arts aspect suuper strong turtles are trn off to me

[Warhorse]

Hmmm, in The Dark Knight, Batman flips over an entire semi truck, and it's trailer, vertically, with a souped up motor cycle, some wire and a few lamp posts, and no one thinks twice about it.

A mutant Turtle with a souped up Bo flips a car over (don't cowboys do that all the time with cows?) and everyone loses their minds.

[beeshaw]

Not to mention it's not Donnie using his *super hulk turtle* strength doing the flipping. It's the bo.

[CyberCubed]

They basically turned the Turtles into 4 Hulks in this movie.

So instead of the Turtles being ninja's and using stealth, they do "Hulk Smash" in every scene.

[IndigoErth]

Well, Hulk turtle with an specially engineered Anti-physics Bo.

[Sewer Sirens Podcast]

Same spot where they found the Van and the paints to customize it :lol:

Same goes for every other version of the turtles that includes the Turtle Van.

In each incarnation, they end up having an explanation (even if it's a little out there). TMNT is a 'little out there' property, having many 'out there' things. Mutant turtles, ninja clans in NYC, and, yes, a turtle van.

Even though this is a film approach to a franchise we all know and love, I'm open to bending "realism" rules for it, just like every other TMNT cartoon and comic. Just like every other big blockbuster film.

There's a lot of fun qualities added that may not exist in the real world. However, I would rather be open to it than nitpick about everything that might not be slightly realistic. This is a movie, a movie with many wacky things, that I don't want a thirty minute explanation for everything 'wacky' in it.

(This is not directed at all negative posters. If it seems I'm generalizing, I apologize. This isn't even all directed at you, Candy Kappa [it actually started that way, and then it turned into a post where I could address some other concerns or gripes].)

[beeshaw]

Yeah... Imma just not come into this thread anymore. lol :trolleye:

If Donnie kicked, or lifted it causing it to flip. Go ahead. HULK TURTLEZ it up, but that's not what happens.

I'll buy his 'Anti-physics bo' the same way I buy that he's an 'mutated anthropomorphic turtle who is trained by an anthropomorphic rat'.

There WILL be a degree of suspension of disbelief in this movie. This will not be super grounded, nor should it. This will not be super realistic, not should it. It should LOOK real, as it seems it does. But as long as it all works within the confines of this, their own universe, I'm there.

Set the 'rules' up and follow them though. If the Bo breaks in half the next scene against a Foot's shin. I'll be bitching like the next guy. But if this is how his new and improved Bo works, and they stick with it (heh), then I'm game.

I'll already take this one scene over 'Inflatable Punching Bag Donatello beating up a foot with a foam bat'.

[Technogeek29]

Yeah... Imma just not come into this thread anymore. lol :trolleye:

If Donnie kicked, or lifted it causing it to flip. Go ahead. HULK TURTLEZ it up, but that's not what happens.

I'll buy his 'Anti-physics bo' the same way I buy that he's an 'mutated anthropomorphic turtle who is trained by an anthropomorphic rat'.

There WILL be a degree of suspension of disbelief in this movie. This will not be super grounded, nor should it. This will not be super realistic, not should it. It should LOOK real, as it seems it does. But as long as it all works within the confines of this, their own universe, I'm there.

Set the 'rules' up and follow them though. If the Bo breaks in half the next scene against a Foot's shin. I'll be bitching like the next guy. But if this is how his new and improved Bo works, and they stick with it (heh), then I'm game.

I'll already take this one scene over 'Inflatable Punching Bag Donatello beating up a foot with a foam bat'.

Ok I laughed hard at this line:lol:

[xChri5x]

That scene had nothing to do with strength at all. The momentum of the car is what lifted it up, not Donnie.

Example (the person being the car :P ):
http://polevaultdream.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/vaultr.gif

All he had to do was place the bo in a specific spot on the car and on the ground and voila! If anything this is a scene where brains are used over brawn.

[beeshaw]

Ok I laughed hard at this line:lol:

:tlol:

But you know what I mean right? If it's a pimped out Bo, it better stay pimped out. No shenanigans where it can do awesome things one scene then becomes just a stick the next. If it stays like that, I'm good. I can accept it.

[Commenter 42]

So that's the shot I mentioned months ago in an earlier thread. I'd post a link but the thread was locked.

When I saw it, the cut was different, and it looked like he flipped the truck himself. Can't say for certain if the shot was changed, we only watched the sizzle once, but everyone thought the same at the time, as there were many WTF's muddered.

Let's just say there were all kinds of confused people in the room, not to mention other disturbing revelations...

The Bo makes a little more sense, I guess.

[Sewer Sirens Podcast]

That scene had nothing to do with strength at all. The momentum of the car is what lifted it up, not Donnie.

Example (the person being the car :P ):
http://polevaultdream.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/vaultr.gif

All he had to do was place the bo in a specific spot on the car and on the ground and voila! If anything this is a scene where brains are used over brawn.

Great example, and that's EXACTLY what people need to understand. This has particular aspect has nothing to do with "Donnie SMASH!".

[Technogeek29]

:tlol:

But you know what I mean right? If it's a pimped out Bo, it better stay pimped out. No shenanigans where it can do awesome things one scene then becomes just a stick the next. If it stays like that, I'm good. I can accept it.

I might find it absurd but I won't argue with consistency. If he can do things like lift a truck shoot knives/missles and use it as a USB I won't complain so long as hitting the Shredder's armor or it breaks when he swings too hard at an enemy. Those glasses need to go everything else I can ignore but those.

[Bry]

That scene had nothing to do with strength at all. The momentum of the car is what lifted it up, not Donnie.

Example (the person being the car :P ):
http://polevaultdream.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/vaultr.gif

All he had to do was place the bo in a specific spot on the car and on the ground and voila! If anything this is a scene where brains are used over brawn.

Average human weight: roughly 175 pounds.

Average weight of a pickup truck: roughly 6,000 pounds. (And potentially much more if this is a military vehicle like the Humvee BayRaph demolished with his shell.)

That must be one seriously strong stick.

[slingtheory]

Hmmm, in The Dark Knight, Batman flips over an entire semi truck, and it's trailer, vertically, with a souped up motor cycle, some wire and a few lamp posts, and no one thinks twice about it.

A mutant Turtle with a souped up Bo flips a car over (don't cowboys do that all the time with cows?) and everyone loses their minds. well batman I believe used a souped up motor cycle and what I assume was some kind of high tensil strength cable for his. Donettellos move looked like he used his own strength to pry up on the staff and flip it. I watched that clip a few times and admittedly I might be wrong because it was a little small but that what it looked like to me.

[xChri5x]

Average human weight: roughly 175 pounds.

Average weight of a pickup truck: roughly 6,000 pounds. (And potentially much more if this is a military vehicle like the Humvee BayRaph demolished with his shell.)

That must be one seriously strong stick.

Probably so

[pennydreadful]

Actually, just saw an episode of TMNT 2012 where Raph is thrown into a brick wall, after being flung from a van and when his shell hit the brick wall building it smashed/cracked the wall.

Also saw Shredder pull 3 foot long retractable claws out and then a 3rd middle "swordlike" claw.

I find it funny listening to people come up with all these commentd about the movie and the cartoons did the same thing.

And all this talk about "a certain level of realism"... to me its either real or its not. You cant sit here and critique things that are unrealistic but accept others...well, you can it just makes no sense...

I think it's more that people don't expect realism from cartoons as much as they do from live action films. Not choosing sides here, but when people associated with the movie and defenders of the movie are saying that these are "realistic Turtles", it kind of sets people up to expect a semi-realistic world to go along with it... otherwise it seems a little inconsistent.

I think the OP's right - it's better to just think of this as a live-action cartoon. Regardless of the creative team's intent, trying to interpret any of this movie as realistic is just setting ourselves up for disappointment. It could still potentially be enjoyable on a cartoon/larger-than-life level, so I don't think that it really takes away from anything to think of it that way. If other people still want to take it seriously, that's up to them... but I think in the long run, it won't really hold up.

Just IMO. :)

[Gimme_Three]

Haha debating movie logic. someone call the mythbusters.

I love donnies expression when He flips it, He looks surprised that it actually worked. Plus I think he says something along the lines of "I always wanted to try this" and then flicks a switch on his bo staff. I assumed when the designs came out that with all that tech on him it gives him batman esq abilities. which is cool.

[zodiac brave]

As a fan of the martial arts aspect suuper strong turtles are trn off to me

why?

does someone having super strength mean they can't also do martial arts?

[Gimme_Three]

i dont know about you guys but i go dumpster diving, and make frequent trips into my local sewers to find awesome tech...

...in fact, i built my laptop from scraps i got in the sewers, and built my man-servant robot from parts i found at the local landfill.

Wait a minute here, for every version of Donnie this is how he made his inventions and tech. So he's shouldn't be able to do the same because it's a movie?

So a mutant rat can train mutant turtles to be crime fighting heroes, but Donnie can create things out of scrap? Is that the "logic" we're going with?

[Gimme_Three]

Doesn't just about every comic book movie have elements of what some are proposing to be illogical?

[pennydreadful]

That must be one seriously strong stick.

It's not the strength of your stick, it's how you use it... :lol:

[Shark_Blade]

That's cool.

[graphic_content]

Donnie used physics - as someone mentioned in another thread, he used his staff like a pole vaulter.

After extending his staff, he wedged the bottom tip into a stone firmly embedded into the mountainside, and the truck's momentum did the rest...

http://i.imgur.com/1uw0pRL.jpg?1

[graphic_content]

Wait a minute here, for every version of Donnie this is how he made his inventions and tech. So he's shouldn't be able to do the same because it's a movie?

So a mutant rat can train mutant turtles to be crime fighting heroes, but Donnie can create things out of scrap? Is that the "logic" we're going with?

i was trying to be funny. im totally onboard with Donnie's staff. and his tech.

for me, mutant turtles who are trained as shinobi, automatically requires a suspension of disbelief.

[slingtheory]

why?

does someone having super strength mean they can't also do martial arts? not at all I just prefer it to be more about being better skilled than just natually better than the other guy. It kills the underdog aspect when you physically outclass your opponents

[Gimme_Three]

i was trying to be funny. im totally onboard with Donnie's staff. and his tech.

for me, mutant turtles who are trained as shinobi, automatically requires a suspension of disbelief.

I am sorry.

I'm with ya i feel like all comic book movies have this element. I just dont understand why so many are holding this film to a different standard.

[Gimme_Three]

not at all I just prefer it to be more about being better skilled than just natually better than the other guy. It kills the underdog aspect when you physically outclass your opponents

3 of the turtles get captured so there should be balance.

[Warhorse]

They're giant, MUTATED, freakishly strong ninja turtles. The production is emphasizing the mutant aspect to the characters. They also happen to be extremely skilled in martial arts. Just cause they have super soldier like strength beyond normal humans doesn't mean they're not NINJAS. We're going to see some crazy action. Why on earth would anyone have a problem with that at all? It ramps up their abilities.

I have my issues with the movie, and they are quite petty and small, but the issues with the size and power don't bother me in the slightest.

[Netkeeper]

not at all I just prefer it to be more about being better skilled than just natually better than the other guy. It kills the underdog aspect when you physically outclass your opponents
I agree with this entirely. Plot can still make it work, but I've always liked it better when heroes have to be strategic to win a fight. Employing their learned skills instead of smashing through things. It's a much more exciting and engaging scene to watch when the guys you're rooting for have to think outside the box.

[slingtheory]

They're giant, MUTATED, freakishly strong ninja turtles. The production is emphasizing the mutant aspect to the characters. They also happen to be extremely skilled in martial arts. Just cause they have super soldier like strength beyond normal humans doesn't mean they're not NINJAS. We're going to see some crazy action. Why on earth would anyone have a problem with that at all? It ramps up their abilities.
Because maybe you want the emphasis to be on the NINJA aspect instead. Maybe you don't think their abilitys need to be ramped up. The bigger is better mindset this movie has is my biggest problem with it as part of the reason I like the turtles in the first place is because they're not super powered. Their victories are earned through training and will power not them just being better than the competition thanks to their origin story. If their just stronger than everybody else where's the tension and the challenge? You'll have to scale up everything else to even have it be a threat to them.

[Netkeeper]

Because maybe you want the emphasis to be on the NINJA aspect instead. Maybe you don't think their abilitys need to be ramped up. The bigger is better mindset this movie has is my biggest problem with it as part of the reason I like the turtles in the first place is because they're not super powered. Their victories are earned through training and will power not them just being better than the competition thanks to their origin story. If their just stronger than everybody else where's the tension and the challenge? You'll have to scale up everything else to even have it be a threat to them.
Exactly. The story feels more like it could be real [or at least, as real a story about mutant turtles could be] when their struggles are smaller-scale. When they're given brutish strength or super powers, it makes them feel no different from Superman who I also find lacking in the department of "being genuinely interesting". He's not interesting. He's over-powered and you know going in that he's going to win. When the ante is upped, it makes the story feel way too outside the realm of possibility and I just don't like that as much.

[pennydreadful]

Exactly. The story feels more like it could be real [or at least, as real a story about mutant turtles could be] when their struggles are smaller-scale. When they're given brutish strength or super powers, it makes them feel no different from Superman who I also find lacking in the department of "being genuinely interesting". He's not interesting. He's over-powered and you know going in that he's going to win. When the ante is upped, it makes the story feel way too outside the realm of possibility and I just don't like that as much.

Basically this. I like my characters to struggle. If I want to watch superheroes, I can pick up pretty much any Marvel or DC movie. I liked that the Turtles had all the same limitations as a regular person - their appearances were the only thing really different about them; other than that, they still had to sweat and bleed for their victories, just like a regular person. It gives it more dramatic tension for me, makes me relate more closely to their setbacks and losses and rejoice more in their comebacks.

[zodiac brave]

not at all I just prefer it to be more about being better skilled than just natually better than the other guy. It kills the underdog aspect when you physically outclass your opponents

They can still be freakishly gifted, and skilled ... while still clearly being the underdogs. Mutant turtles from the sewers, protecting humanity? Going against mercenary, ninja commandos with assault rifles? Yea. Underdogs.

yeah. i was gonna say...

they're not going up against teens trained in "old style" martial arts. looks like they're going up against big-@ss commandos with assault gear and swat armor (and if theres any truth to the rumors that there are mutant-blood enhanced soldiers in this flick, then some "super powered" foes as well).

and yeah. GUNS.

Exactly. The story feels more like it could be real [or at least, as real a story about mutant turtles could be] when their struggles are smaller-scale. When they're given brutish strength or super powers, it makes them feel no different from Superman who I also find lacking in the department of "being genuinely interesting". He's not interesting. He's over-powered and you know going in that he's going to win. When the ante is upped, it makes the story feel way too outside the realm of possibility and I just don't like that as much.

well, this all depends on if the character drama only comes from physical and violent conflict.

yes, its michael bay, blahblahblah, so what character drama is there to speak of blahblahblah...i get that.

and you're right about superman.

but look at a movie like thor, in which the main hero is a GOD. with SUPER COSMIC QUASI MYTHOLOGICAL SPACE POWERS. most of the meaty drama there was family issues, loyalty issues, love and self-discovery. heck, many marvel movie characters are like this.

but, it's all about what the character goes through that GETS them to the physical violence that determines whether the "strength" or "powers" make the character boring.

like i said above. bay. yeah. ok. im not expecting anything that deep, but to say these characters will be boring simply because they're strong and powerful is missing the mark.

they'll be boring or bland (or not...maybe...hopefully) for other reasons.

[Refractive Reflections]

Eh. Yeah, they seem to bend the rules of physics a bit, but so what? I don't agree with the prevailing Hollywood reasoning that you can do whatever wild things you want in animation, but if you film a movie in live action, everything needs to be realistic. Who drew that line?

Isn't it a negative that comic book properties only get live action feature films by being forced into a realistic world? Anything that helps break that barrier is fine by me.

I think when movies/shows/stories reach a level of seriousness (as this movie is seeming to display), the viewer expects things to be mostly realistic or follow some sense of logic, otherwise the movie can become a parody of itself creating ridiculous melodrama where common sense is thrown out of the window. (For example, how soap operas are ridiculed where there's a bunch of melodrama between characters, yet as intense as the characters' hardships may be, it doesn't dawn on them to figure out a logical way to deal with things.)

Now it may be entertaining for some, but I don't think that's what the movie staff intended, for their movie to be logic parody of itself considering how dark and "badass" they are trying to depict this 2014 TMNT movie to be. ...I could be completely wrong when I see it, but the dramatic music, effects, and cut scenes presented in the trailers, in addition to the fact that Bay and Liebesman have typically made heavy action and serious films, seem to want us (the audience) to take the movie and its situations seriously. Otherwise, why not add slapstick fighting then if the movie is intended to be that ridiculous/unrealistic then?

[Candy Kappa]

I'm just sad Donnie isn't using a Bo in this movie, while the other turtles keeps their weapons.

[UGHShellshocked]

Just can't win with everybody on this thing.

If he lifted it up with his body people would have shat all over it.

If he actually used what he was known for and created a bo-staff that he is able to use to flip a car (and probably that shipping container that crashes into the foot) people are still ******** all over it.

Pessimism is a Pandemic of the world.

[Sighphi]

That scene had nothing to do with strength at all. The momentum of the car is what lifted it up, not Donnie.

Example (the person being the car :P ):
http://polevaultdream.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/vaultr.gif

All he had to do was place the bo in a specific spot on the car and on the ground and voila! If anything this is a scene where brains are used over brawn.

Yes, yes, i see.
http://i.imgur.com/Krahuqe.gif

[UGHShellshocked]

I'm just sad Donnie isn't using a Bo in this movie, while the other turtles keeps their weapons.

I think he does use his Bo staff but like Inspector gadget has many many variations of them.

[electric_sheep]

Donnie used physics - as someone mentioned in another thread, he used his staff like a pole vaulter.

After extending his staff, he wedged the bottom tip into a stone firmly embedded into the mountainside, and the truck's momentum did the rest...

http://i.imgur.com/1uw0pRL.jpg?1

And that stick is so strong that it can lift 6000 ponds? yeah...
Even Goku would be jealous, hell even mighty mjolnir would tremble before it...

[tmntfan4ever]

BUBL7y9FSTg I cannot get it to play here so here is the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUBL7y9FSTg

[sh3llshocked]

I dont know...I think they may be going for a darker approach in the filming style of this movie, but all this "real" talk going on around here where people are saying, "they are trying to make this movie more real, so why can donnie flip a car, etc." I dont think this is the case. Im trying to figure out how people have come to the conclusion that anyone is trying to make "everything" more real? Yes, we know the turtles are bigger with accessories on their body and they now have a different face, but I would chalk that up to artistic license...every interview Ive heard I just keep hearing that this is the new "interpretation" of the turtles. Not...we are making realistic turtles that mutated. And if people go into any movie like this assuming that because it isnt a cartoon that its real and accurate...or should be, then please show me examples of sci fi action movies that do that in their films.

To me nobody should have create a post saying, "Im viewing this movie as a cartoon now." Because while it may not be 1987 cartoon over the top, it is definitely going to be filled with situations that aren't real, and that bend physics for the audiences amusement.

Heck, if what people want is realism, okay, but if thats the case I think at least half the turtles should be killed in this movie. Why? Because in real life, few people...weither its a ninja, policeman, solider, or other can put themselves in harms way and not have something bad happen. Read the news and look at what happens when good people put themselves in harms way. So, in reality the TMNT may not last a week before some idiot with a gun just shoots one and thats all she wrote.

[slingtheory]

yeah. i was gonna say...

they're not going up against teens trained in "old style" martial arts. looks like they're going up against big-@ss commandos with assault gear and swat armor (and if theres any truth to the rumors that there are mutant-blood enhanced soldiers in this flick, then some "super powered" foes as well).

and yeah. GUNS. . that's kind of my point. they've given the heros a power boost so now they'll probably have to do the same to the antagonists in order for it to measure up. so the foot can't just be a rival clan of ninjas anymore they have to be a band of gun packing commandos chemically or altered soldiers in order to explain away why they wouldn't be dead on arrival. and the shredder can't just be an arrogant ninja master who thinks so highly of his fighting skills that he figures he can make himself invincible by sticking blades to a few strategic places. he's gotta be wearing a full on suit of exo armor complete with extendable machetes on each hand. I know theres people who think its bad ass and cool but it just doesn't work for me. Also I think its disappointing that they apparently thought the turtles needed to be turned up to 11 to be reintroduced to modern audiences and im worried about the precedent it may set.

well, this all depends on if the character drama only comes from physical and violent conflict.

yes, its michael bay, blahblahblah, so what character drama is there to speak of blahblahblah...i get that.

and you're right about superman.

but look at a movie like thor, in which the main hero is a GOD. with SUPER COSMIC QUASI MYTHOLOGICAL SPACE POWERS. most of the meaty drama there was family issues, loyalty issues, love and self-discovery. heck, many marvel movie characters are like this.

but, it's all about what the character goes through that GETS them to the physical violence that determines whether the "strength" or "powers" make the character boring.

like i said above. bay. yeah. ok. im not expecting anything that deep, but to say these characters will be boring simply because they're strong and powerful is missing the mark.

they'll be boring or bland (or not...maybe...hopefully) for other reasons.

its not that there's no way they can come up with to introduce some tension into the story it's that you want to see it where you're used to it coming from. the problem I think is that its been the way it is for so long and that's the way people formed in attachment to it. its always been the turtles as underdogs taking on out numbering armies, larger more physically imposing enemies or guys who were just better skilled fighters than they were and watching them rise to the occasion so when you give them a power boost some of the appeal goes out the window. its the same with any character really people came to like them based on who they are and what they can do. if you were to suddenly change the personality or the power set you lose some of what brought people in. with thor for examples his fans like him because of his god status and they expect it to be there going in. you strip that away and make him a mutant from earth who can control lightning or whatever and you're likely going to turn some people off.

[sh3llshocked]

I agree the turtles are bigger this time probably in the 6 foot range compared to 4'9" to 5'1" like previous incarnations. I just hate people equating being 6ft talk to being a "hulk" or huge...if being 6ft tall is the same as a 9ft tall 600lb hulk then somebody is doing funny math, and i know teens easily 6ft tall. And like others I do prefer the smaller look to the turtles but I dont think making them 6ft tall means they still cant be underdogs. Obviously look at shredder. And while shredder seems to be taking flack for having "huge machetes"...seems like most shredders have been over the top...the 2012 TMNT shredder has like 3ft long retractable blades and then a center retractable sword come out of each arm.

[Bry]

BUBL7y9FSTg

I cannot get it to play here so here is the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUBL7y9FSTg

It should work if you just put the actual video code (in this case, BUBL7y9FSTg) between the [ YOUTUBE ] and [ /YOUTUBE ] tags. I fixed that in the quote above.

And... is it just me here, or are the action sequences in these trailers basically incomprehensible? I know this is cell phone footage in a theatre, but I had to rewatch it several times to try to figure out what the Turtles are doing in the actiony parts. And it was still hard to follow on a basic visual level.

[Galactus]

I think he does use his Bo staff but like Inspector gadget has many many variations of them.

We've only seen the collapsable bo staff from the trailers to the various posters and concept art to the action figures to the childrens costumes and role playing toys.

Realistically speaking (I know that's not something Michael Bay gives even a hintof a crap about even in non sci fi movies) a collapsable staff shouldn't be as strong as a regular bo.

If he starts off with a wooden bo and upgrades I wouldn't mind too much but that seems unlikely.

[Candy Kappa]

I think he does use his Bo staff but like Inspector gadget has many many variations of them.

What PD Don is using is not a Bo.

[sh3llshocked]

What PD Don is using is not a Bo.

No not a Bo, made of wood, but it is a long object that resembles a Bo-staff and is able to be used as one in a fight...and will probably have tech built into it.

[Netkeeper]

Sounds like something 2k12 Donnie would have done because "my stupid stick isn't good enough". :ohwell:

[TurtleTitan97]

Sounds like something 2k12 Donnie would have done because "my stupid stick isn't good enough". :ohwell:

I'm pretty sure Donnie has gotten over that by now.

[zodiac brave]

that's kind of my point. they've given the heros a power boost so now they'll probably have to do the same to the antagonists in order for it to measure up. so the foot can't just be a rival clan of ninjas anymore they have to be a band of gun packing commandos chemically or altered soldiers in order to explain away why they wouldn't be dead on arrival. and the shredder can't just be an arrogant ninja master who thinks so highly of his fighting skills that he figures he can make himself invincible by sticking blades to a few strategic places. he's gotta be wearing a full on suit of exo armor complete with extendable machetes on each hand. I know theres people who think its bad ass and cool but it just doesn't work for me. Also I think its disappointing that they apparently thought the turtles needed to be turned up to 11 to be reintroduced to modern audiences and im worried about the precedent it may set.

its not that there's no way they can come up with to introduce some tension into the story it's that you want to see it where you're used to it coming from. the problem I think is that its been the way it is for so long and that's the way people formed in attachment to it. its always been the turtles as underdogs taking on out numbering armies, larger more physically imposing enemies or guys who were just better skilled fighters than they were and watching them rise to the occasion so when you give them a power boost some of the appeal goes out the window. its the same with any character really people came to like them based on who they are and what they can do. if you were to suddenly change the personality or the power set you lose some of what brought people in. with thor for examples his fans like him because of his god status and they expect it to be there going in. you strip that away and make him a mutant from earth who can control lightning or whatever and you're likely going to turn some people off.

all fair points and the fact that the filmmakers have stated repeatedly that this is a "new" or "different" interpretation of the tmnt, it all boils down to whether or not this is an interpretation a given person can like or not.

i even think that while im hoping for the best, we wont get anything that deep or resonating. thats why im just going with the crazy-@ss flow.

:ohwell:

[Sumac]

Basically this. I like my characters to struggle. If I want to watch superheroes, I can pick up pretty much any Marvel or DC movie. I liked that the Turtles had all the same limitations as a regular person - their appearances were the only thing really different about them; other than that, they still had to sweat and bleed for their victories, just like a regular person. It gives it more dramatic tension for me, makes me relate more closely to their setbacks and losses and rejoice more in their comebacks.
So much this!!
Turtles being miniHulks take away some charm from them and makes their character and challenges less interesting.

[Netkeeper]

I'm pretty sure Donnie has gotten over that by now.
Yeah, because he gave it a totally unnecessary blade.

[chrisdude]

The turtles' enemies have been scaled up, as well. There's no reason to think they won't "struggle." Powerful heroes struggle against powerful enemies. They sweat and bleed, too. It's the same thing.

And anyone who says Superman isn't interesting because he's too strong is taking in the wrong Superman stories. He has an entirely different dynamic from other superheroes. He's a god on Earth, with traditional American values, who chooses to be a selfless example of goodness, instead of a ruler. If you ask me, his best stories aren't about fighting anyone.

I think when movies/shows/stories reach a level of seriousness (as this movie is seeming to display), the viewer expects things to be mostly realistic or follow some sense of logic, otherwise the movie can become a parody of itself creating ridiculous melodrama where common sense is thrown out of the window. (For example, how soap operas are ridiculed where there's a bunch of melodrama between characters, yet as intense as the characters' hardships may be, it doesn't dawn on them to figure out a logical way to deal with things.)

Now it may be entertaining for some, but I don't think that's what the movie staff intended, for their movie to be logic parody of itself considering how dark and "badass" they are trying to depict this 2014 TMNT movie to be. ...I could be completely wrong when I see it, but the dramatic music, effects, and cut scenes presented in the trailers, in addition to the fact that Bay and Liebesman have typically made heavy action and serious films, seem to want us (the audience) to take the movie and its situations seriously. Otherwise, why not add slapstick fighting then if the movie is intended to be that ridiculous/unrealistic then?I guess I just don't see it that way. Unrealistic stories have serious situations all the time. This week's Nickelodeon episode featured a guy who skated through the air on beams of light, and threw laser mohawks as a weapon. It didn't make the situation less dire. My favorite episode of the original cartoon was when Leo doubted his ability to lead, and quit the team, leaving the other turtles struggling without him. That episode also featured Shredder draining the sun with a laser. The serious-and-absurd combination is the premise of TMNT. From the original sketches, TMNT was born out of that.

That being said, I do believe that a story needs to "follow some sense of logic." But it sets its own parameters. People are getting bent out of shape about Donnie's bow, but it may very well makes sense in the context of the film.

[Puddinpop]

People are getting bent out of shape about Donnie's bow, but it may very well makes sense in the context of the film.

I know.. I believe this will happen with a lot of things that some people are bent over..
Context makes a big difference. Just like some, after the first trailer were doubting that there wouldn't be any Martial arts/fighting, that they wouldn't be ninja's. I think that this was a premature thing to get upset over being that we'd only seen 90 seconds of footage. Imo I think a lot of things will be proven wrong once the film is released in it's entirety.

One minute it's "the Shredder has blades all over, how can the turtles beat him"
and the next it's " the turtles are huge, how can they even be challenged I want them to be the underdogs".
Well they get captured.. I remember in the first film.. the Turtles weren't challenged by the Foot at all.. they creamed them in every battle. Until they met the Shredder.. then Splinter took him out in one swoop.
It took like 50 Foot to take down Raph all by himself.. It's the same question I have when discussing the " Teenage Mutant" part being smaller than the "Ninja Turtles". Respectfully.. If it wasn't a problem then, why is it a problem now?

[Netkeeper]

The turtles' enemies have been scaled up, as well. There's no reason to think they won't "struggle." Powerful heroes struggle against powerful enemies. They sweat and bleed, too. It's the same thing.

And anyone who says Superman isn't interesting because he's too strong is taking in the wrong Superman stories. He has an entirely different dynamic from other superheroes. He's a god on Earth, with traditional American values, who chooses to be a selfless example of goodness, instead of a ruler. If you ask me, his best stories aren't about fighting anyone.
You're not getting what I'm saying. Scaling up the heroes requires scaling up the enemies and raising the stakes, which takes it to a realm I'm not as interested in because every other superhero does that. I like the ninja turtles because they don't have super strength. They have abilities that you and me could have, if we trained for them. That's what makes them heroes, to me.

I could very well be taking in the wrong Superman stories. But what I did see, I didn't find very interesting, because he's just this guy with all of this insane power. We know he's going to win, even if he has to struggle a lot to get there. There isn't anything underdog about Superman. He's just "cool".

[zodiac brave]

do you like ANY marvel or DC movies?

or any movies in which the heroes are in extraordinary circumstances, in general, and had to overcome obstacles with extraordinary strength?

if not, what action/adventure movies DO you like?

[Sewer Sirens Podcast]

all fair points and the fact that the filmmakers have stated repeatedly that this is a "new" or "different" interpretation of the tmnt, it all boils down to whether or not this is an interpretation a given person can like or not.

i even think that while im hoping for the best, we wont get anything that deep or resonating. thats why im just going with the crazy-@ss flow.

:ohwell:

Agreed. I've come to accept that as well, and not expect it, which in turn has made me more open to this film.

The turtles' enemies have been scaled up, as well. There's no reason to think they won't "struggle." Powerful heroes struggle against powerful enemies. They sweat and bleed, too. It's the same thing.

I guess I just don't see it that way. Unrealistic stories have serious situations all the time. This week's Nickelodeon episode featured a guy who skated through the air on beams of light, and threw laser mohawks as a weapon. It didn't make the situation less dire. My favorite episode of the original cartoon was when Leo doubted his ability to lead, and quit the team, leaving the other turtles struggling without him. That episode also featured Shredder draining the sun with a laser. The serious-and-absurd combination is the premise of TMNT. From the original sketches, TMNT was born out of that.

That being said, I do believe that a story needs to "follow some sense of logic." But it sets its own parameters. People are getting bent out of shape about Donnie's bow, but it may very well makes sense in the context of the film.

Agreed. Especially with your last comment.

You're not getting what I'm saying. Scaling up the heroes requires scaling up the enemies and raising the stakes, which takes it to a realm I'm not as interested in because every other superhero does that. I like the ninja turtles because they don't have super strength. They have abilities that you and me could have, if we trained for them. That's what makes them heroes, to me.

I also agree with this.

Yes, I would've liked a more traditional TMNT film approach. Yes, I don't prefer how they are stronger and more beefed up (however, they are NOT Hulks). I agree they should be more "underdogs", and I agree they didn't necessarily have to scale everything up.

However, at least for me, even through my conflicts with this movie, I've come to accept the things I don't prefer. This, overall, IS TMNT. "Things Change", as the first episode of the 2003 series states. It's true. We may not really like some of those changes, but at least for me, I've come to accept it. To look past those small qualities I haven't liked being changed, knowing this is a different (and possibly temporary) take. Through doing that, I've actually started enjoying what I've seen from this film, and getting excited for it. Action looks great, and even though I don't PREFER some changes to characters and such, I'm excited to see where the film takes us WITH those changes.

[Refractive Reflections]

I guess I just don't see it that way. Unrealistic stories have serious situations all the time. This week's Nickelodeon episode featured a guy who skated through the air on beams of light, and threw laser mohawks as a weapon. It didn't make the situation less dire. My favorite episode of the original cartoon was when Leo doubted his ability to lead, and quit the team, leaving the other turtles struggling without him. That episode also featured Shredder draining the sun with a laser. The serious-and-absurd combination is the premise of TMNT. From the original sketches, TMNT was born out of that.

That being said, I do believe that a story needs to "follow some sense of logic." But it sets its own parameters. People are getting bent out of shape about Donnie's bow, but it may very well makes sense in the context of the film.

The sci-fi part I don't have problems with (whether its light or dark toned) and I agree with the mix of absurd situations with serious life-threatening peril, just as long as the film follows its own rules of logic; otherwise if there are plot holes, then...:ohwell:

Personally what's distracting me (and part of the reason I'm looking disfavorably at this movie) is the fact that these Turtles are hulkish and doing superhuman things (Donnie's bo), where it appears to draw away from the swift ninjitsu fighting that should be in the forefront of the movie for a TMNT movie. I don't know... with these Turtles being so strong and big it almost makes ninjitsu fighting obsolete in a way, when they could individually throw large vehicles against trucks, lift a vehicle with a bo, and swat soldiers like flies in causing more effective destruction rather than bothering with their piddling ninjitsu fighting.

I mean it could make sense in the movie's parameters like you said, but it seems more estranged from the TMNT we would expect (or at least I would expect). If you catch my drift... :ohwell:

[Netkeeper]

do you like ANY marvel or DC movies?

or any movies in which the heroes are in extraordinary circumstances, in general, and had to overcome obstacles with extraordinary strength?

if not, what action/adventure movies DO you like?
Actually, yes. Thor is my favourite. And he has a lot of struggles in that movie. But he didn't overcome his problems with brute strength, that was kind of the lesson he had to learn in that movie.

That said, one of my favourite adventure movies is DragonHeart! I'm also really fond of the original novel version of the Hobbit, but not so much the film or Lord of the Rings. And speaking of adaptations, I loved V for Vendetta's film and Watchmen's. And while they're not movies, the Metal Gear Solid games rank up in favourites for me, and they contain enough cutscenes to be movies anyway. :trazz:

EDIT: If you want something a little more current, I enjoyed Pacific Rim, too.

[Alex]

You're right, it wasn't a car.

It was a freaking TRUCK! With just his bo staff!

Clearly, real world physics are going to be ignored in this film.:lol:
I think this is sad. I don't think they had to do it this way. I like what I see otherwise in the trailers. But I certainly don't like that the Turtles seem to be super super strong.

[zodiac brave]

Actually, yes. Thor is my favourite. And he has a lot of struggles in that movie. But he didn't overcome his problems with brute strength, that was kind of the lesson he had to learn in that movie.

what makes you think that the plot of this movie will only be resolved with brute strength?

[Netkeeper]

what makes you think that the plot of this movie will only be resolved with brute strength?
Never said that. But considering it's Michael Bay... I wouldn't say it's an uneducated guess.

[Candy Kappa]

Yeah, because he gave it a totally unnecessary blade.

Pretty sure Donnie had the Naginata mode since the beginning of the show.

[Netkeeper]

Pretty sure Donnie had the Naginata mode since the beginning of the show.
Doesn't make it any more necessary.

[Candy Kappa]

Same with Mikey's Kusarigama.

[Netkeeper]

Same with Mikey's Kusarigama.
I definitely agree there. I just didn't feel the need to bring it up since this thread isn't about Mikey.

[Artist]

1. Donnie's bo staff made of metal and not wood.
2. It is retractable.
3. Trailer shows him using a button to open the staff. Could require a heavy spring for mechanism.
4. Donnie says, " I've always wanted to try this" as to show he intended it to be strong enough to flip a vehicle or lift something heavy.
5. Momentum of vehicle + retractable metal bo staff with button mechanism that was intended to have a very heavy spring that was strong enough to lift a vehicle or something heavy = logical movie premise.

Could I be missing something that would otherwise get me to think that in this films universe this is logically fallacious?

[Slap-Happy]

I think the biggest thing to remember right now, is that this is first and foremost a kids movie. Kids aren't really worried about physics as much as they are cool sh*t.

[Zulithe]

Of all the things to nitpick about... seriously, I think Donny's use of his staff in that scene was pretty cool. I'm fully expecting we'll see him do a lot of this kind of stuff in the film: use his brains and gadgets to accomplish things over his physical ability. That's what he's known for, right?

I'm not a physicist... :P BUT, it's not like the vehicle hit an immovable rod. His weapon has flex to it. If his bo had no bend on impact maybe it would have impaled the vehicle or broke, but since it has flex it was able to catapult it. Also it depends on where the impact took place.

In the end... films often take a more "romantic" approach to events in order to get events to play out in a more interesting way. Nothing at all new about this! I get that people want to try to examine why something could/couldn't actually occur, that can make for some interesting discussion... but for me personally? I just want to see cool stuff happening :)

[electric_sheep]

1. Donnie's bo staff made of metal and not wood.
2. It is retractable.
3. Trailer shows him using a button to open the staff. Could require a heavy spring for mechanism.
4. Donnie says, " I've always wanted to try this" as to show he intended it to be strong enough to flip a vehicle or lift something heavy.
5. Momentum of vehicle + retractable metal bo staff with button mechanism that was intended to have a very heavy spring that was strong enough to lift a vehicle or something heavy = logical movie premise.

Could I be missing something that would otherwise get me to think that in this films universe this is logically fallacious?

You missed one little thing, it's nothing really, very small, probably not important.
It's a ****ing truck! There's nothing you can do to explain it...

[Puddinpop]

I think the biggest thing to remember right now, is that this is first and foremost a kids movie. Kids aren't really worried about physics as much as they are cool sh*t.

And that is why I enjoyed the first films so much.. enjoyed a lot of things so much..
My brothers and I.. We were kids.. minds wide open. We didn't go in with a note pad and pencil ready to pick apart everything and anything.. not one ounce of cynicism or skepticism.. at least I didn't.. We enjoyed it for what it was.. a movie about the TMNT. Imo.. most kids could care less about the Boom Boom M. Bay and all of the other negativity that goes with it. But of course.. I cant speak for all children..

[Leolead]

Why is everyone complaining about the freaking physics? what is so crazy that it is out of physics?! what donny did was use some type of gadget and flip the car over. why is that out of physics?!

What i mean is why are some of you acting like this could never possible ever happen, i'm sure in real life there are things that can flip cars over, it's what Donatello does he freaking builds things!!, he didn't flip that car over he used something he built and activated it and the car flipped over, he was probably ready to test it Or maybe Splinter never let him try it, that's why he said 'Always wanted to try this.

I can't believe you guys are talking about physics...... really look at most CBMS for example,
BTW it's not like the car flipped into Space or anything, again Nitpickers are nitpicking the smallest freaking things.

BTW this thread was not needed.

[Puddinpop]

Why is everyone complaining about the freaking physics? what is so crazy that it is out of physics?! what donny did was use some type of gadget and flip the car over. why is that out of physics?!

What i mean is why are some of you acting like this could never possible ever happen, i'm sure in real life there are things that can flip cars over, it's what Donatello does he freaking builds things!!, he didn't flip that car over he used something he built and activated it and the car flipped over, he was probably ready to test it Or maybe Splinter never let him try it, that's why he said 'Always wanted to try this.

I can't believe you guys are talking about physics...... really look at most CBMS for example,
BTW it's not like the car flipped into Space or anything, again Nitpickers are nitpicking the smallest freaking things.

BTW this thread was not needed.

I wonder if he uses it for other things? Like in other fight scenes. That same button?
It'd be cool if he points that at someone's head and pushed the button :lol:
I know that Mikey has a three section staff.. I hope he does in the movie and its not just a toy thing. I cant wait to see the using these weapons.. its been SOO long since we have.. in a live action film anyway

[Leolead]

I wonder if he uses it for other things? Like in other fight scenes. That same button?
It'd be cool if he points that at someone's head and pushed the button :lol:
I know that Mikey has a three section staff.. I hope he does in the movie and its not just a toy thing. I cant wait to see the using these weapons.. its been SOO long since we have.. in a live action film anyway

Yeah me too am i the only one that noticed that my mikey sounded alot like the original mikey at the end of the trailer with the rocket skateboard

But seriosly guys like Electricsheep really tick me off

[Sighphi]

I think the biggest thing to remember right now, is that this is first and foremost a kids movie. Kids aren't really worried about physics as much as they are cool sh*t.

This is a kids movie?
I thought this was going to be the standard Michael Bay PG-13 thing.

[Puddinpop]

Yeah me too am i the only one that noticed that my mikey sounded alot like the original mikey at the end of the trailer with the rocket skateboard

But seriosly guys like Electricsheep really tick me off

Yea I agree.. I think he sounds like 2012 Mikey.. Esp. when he says "duuuude" lol

Just ignore.. cuz it's only going to get yourself in trouble at this point.

[Slap-Happy]

This is a kids movie?
I thought this was going to be the standard Michael Bay PG-13 thing.
All of the Transformers movies are kids movies too. Think about the subject matter.

[Puddinpop]

This is a kids movie?
I thought this was going to be the standard Michael Bay PG-13 thing.

Kids go see standard M. Bay films all the time.. even though this isn't one lol..
Fortunately this movie with pull in kids/teenagers and adults ranging from 19-40's.

[IndigoErth]

I wonder if he uses it for other things?
Am I the only one who's mind went there, or am I just warped. Or.. lack of sleep.

Bo-acquired enemy butt splinters is all I gotta say.

[electric_sheep]

Why is everyone complaining about the freaking physics? what is so crazy that it is out of physics?! what donny did was use some type of gadget and flip the car over. why is that out of physics?!

What i mean is why are some of you acting like this could never possible ever happen, i'm sure in real life there are things that can flip cars over, it's what Donatello does he freaking builds things!!, he didn't flip that car over he used something he built and activated it and the car flipped over, he was probably ready to test it Or maybe Splinter never let him try it, that's why he said 'Always wanted to try this.

I can't believe you guys are talking about physics...... really look at most CBMS for example,
BTW it's not like the car flipped into Space or anything, again Nitpickers are nitpicking the smallest freaking things.

BTW this thread was not needed.
The other day i drove over a stick that was on the road and it didn't rupture my gas tank or anything it just threw me 200 meters in the air and back on the road. Even if it was the strongest stick on the planet there's no chance in all 9 layers of hell that that's physically impossible..
It brakes every law of phisycs known to man...
It's stupid and doesen't make sense.
xwdba9C2G14

[pennydreadful]

Am I the only one who's mind went there, or am I just warped. Or.. lack of sleep.

Bo-acquired enemy butt splinters is all I gotta say.

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/162067/freaks-and-geeks-o.gif

If it's any consolation, I'm also warped - and should have gone to bed half an hour ago!

[Candy Kappa]

Basically PD Don's weapon is a metal staff-like contraption in the Hanbo length, with a spring feature to give it a Bo length. Apparently traditional Bo isn't good enough for Hollywood, but, that's understandable when it's so often in various media depicted to break often since it's made of wood. Cause "lol wood breaks."

And, there's no need to refer a Bo as a "Bo staff", it's like writing "staff staff"

[joefsas]

Electric sheep: Dude! It's a frickin movie! You know, made up entertainment!. They're MUTANT TURTLES for christ sake. This film was never gunna be true to life was it?! And why the f**k should it!

[Leolead]

The other day i drove over a stick that was on the road and it didn't rupture my gas tank or anything it just threw me 200 meters in the air and back on the road. Even if it was the strongest stick on the planet there's no chance in all 9 layers of hell that that's physically impossible..
It brakes every law of phisycs known to man...
It's stupid and doesen't make sense.
xwdba9C2G14

:| Are you kidding?

This guy must be joking,

Dude it's a Movie! it's suppose entertain you! how many times have you seen this in other CBMs...hmm All of them,

Are you joking???

[electric_sheep]

Don is sliding down a hill again and sticks the bow staff in the wheel-weld and causes it to flip that way.

wouldn't that just like brake the stick? Because you know, it's hollow. or just push the stick into the ground? Someone call Mythbusters...

:| Are you kidding?

*plausible.
No, not really. :ohwell:

[Candy Kappa]

I think the scene would have been much better if the truck got tipped to it's side by the staff's pressure, being launched up looks just... Too cartoony.

[Warhorse]

I wonder if he uses it for other things? Like in other fight scenes. That same button?
It'd be cool if he points that at someone's head and pushed the button :lol:
I know that Mikey has a three section staff.. I hope he does in the movie and its not just a toy thing. I cant wait to see the using these weapons.. its been SOO long since we have.. in a live action film anyway

Kind of like Hawkeye's bow in The Avengers. A push of the button gave him multiple choice arrow tips to choose from.

[Leolead]

wouldn't that just like brake the stick? Because you know, it's hollow. or just push the stick into the ground? Someone call Mythbusters...



*plausible.
No, not really. :ohwell:

:neutral::neutral::neutral: Almost every CBM has had something like this.You're comparing real world physics to a CBM???

[electric_sheep]

:neutral::neutral::neutral: Almost every CBM has had something like this.You're comparing real world physics to a CBM???

Well if we are being honest most of the CBM suck, at least 70 percent of them.
I just don't see TMNT here, fliping cars and breaking phisycs just isn't their style.
Also you are pro this movie but you are not being an asshole about it, i respect that. (Not saying that you all are assholes, just some of them but there are assholes on both sides)

[Leolead]

Well if we are being honest most of the CBM suck, at least 70 percent of them.
I just don't see TMNT here, fliping cars and breaking phisycs just isn't their style.
Also you are pro this movie but you are not being an asshole about it, i respect that. (Not saying that you all are assholes, just some of them but there are assholes on both sides)

Well yeah i agree, TMNT hasn't done this in the past, just got finished watching a episode from the 2k3, almost (Almost) makes me wish we were getting a movie more like that, but i'm gonna enjoy this movie, not everyday you get a live action TMNT movie, i really hope they go that route with shredder, atest have him obssesed with japanese folklore,

And thanks, i kinda see where you're coming from.

[chrisdude]

You're not getting what I'm saying. Scaling up the heroes requires scaling up the enemies and raising the stakes, which takes it to a realm I'm not as interested in because every other superhero does that. I like the ninja turtles because they don't have super strength. They have abilities that you and me could have, if we trained for them. That's what makes them heroes, to me.

I could very well be taking in the wrong Superman stories. But what I did see, I didn't find very interesting, because he's just this guy with all of this insane power. We know he's going to win, even if he has to struggle a lot to get there. There isn't anything underdog about Superman. He's just "cool".I'll give you that. Superman is definitely not an underdog. But we always know the hero is going to win.

If that is your preference is scale, that is your preference.

I just mean that Superman is a unique kind of hero. It's not about whether he can beat the other guy, it's about what he chooses to do with tremendous power. They say absolute power corrupts absolutely, but Superman still believes in freedom and justice. He's humble and kind. It's like, if one man can have all that power and still be good, then there's that much more reason to have hope in humanity. He can't be that with less power.

[UGHShellshocked]

And we all watched as The Turtles were launched in the air flying up into the sky in the late 80s animated series.

http://media.giphy.com/media/M87vuD6OrpO6s/giphy.gif

The only far fetched thing in this is the fact that April is driving. :tlol:

[TigerClaw]

And we all watched as The Turtles were launched in the air flying up into the sky in the late 80s animated series.

http://media.giphy.com/media/M87vuD6OrpO6s/giphy.gif

The only far fetched thing in this is the fact that April is driving. :tlol:
You know, I bet we'll see that in the movie, The Turtle Van chasing after the Big Rig truck.

[Artist]

You missed one little thing, it's nothing really, very small, probably not important.
It's a ****ing truck! There's nothing you can do to explain it...

Your argument that it is a truck did not dissolve my arguments at all. He states in the trailer he has always wanted to do this. So that shows intention to create a mechanical bo staff that could lift a vehicle or heavy objects once the staff is opened. The object being a truck makes no difference. Now if set truck ends up being a unliftable mechanical bo staff truck, then you have a great argument for it being a truck.

[electric_sheep]

Your argument that it is a truck did not dissolve my arguments at all. He states in the trailer he has always wanted to do this. So that shows intention to create a mechanical bo staff that could lift a vehicle or heavy objects once the staff is opened. The object being a truck makes no difference. Now if set truck ends up being a unliftable mechanical bo staff truck, then you have a great argument for it being a truck.

But it's a truck, on a stick. Words don't make staff strong, well some do but...

[UGHShellshocked]

You know, I bet we'll see that in the movie, The Turtle Van chasing after the Big Rig truck.

Yep probably and there is that picture in the upcoming art book with Leo standing on top of the cab of the semi

[Artist]

Basically PD Don's weapon is a metal staff-like contraption in the Hanbo length, with a spring feature to give it a Bo length. Apparently traditional Bo isn't good enough for Hollywood, but, that's understandable when it's so often in various media depicted to break often since it's made of wood. Cause "lol wood breaks."

And, there's no need to refer a Bo as a "Bo staff", it's like writing "staff staff"

Very True. No need for the Bo and staff to be together. Bo staff if he used it for helping him walk or keep himself up as well as fighting. But I dont think he uses it for walking support ha ha

[Radical Raph]

But it's a truck, on a stick. Words don't make staff strong, well some do but...
As if the 1990 movie didn't have some cartoonish aspects.

[Artist]

But it's a truck, on a stick. Words don't make staff strong, well some do but...

Penis Humor! How could I ever top that... :lol:

[chrisdude]

I really wouldn't sweat it. I'm sure Donnie will explain the bo with some technical mumbo-jumbo. He'll rattle off some nonsense with the word "polymer" in it, and everything will be fine. :D

[UGHShellshocked]

Look at it Donnie is doing machines more than he did in the 90s turtle film.

[Radical Raph]

I really wouldn't sweat it. I'm sure Donnie will explain the bo with some technical mumbo-jumbo. He'll rattle off some nonsense with the word "polymer" in it, and everything will be fine. :D
I really don't see what the big deal is. We don't know how Donnie's bo is rigged up, but I'm guessing probably some kind of spring loaded metal. A carjack can lift a car so why wouldn't his bo be able to?

The car is already going down a bumpy slope so I don't think it'd take much to launch it into the air. And a lot of people are saying he flips the car, but that's an exaggeration.

Also, it's pretty ****ing cool. I love the idea of the turtles using their shells as sleds.

[chrisdude]

I really don't see what the big deal is. We don't know how Donnie's bo is rigged up, but I'm guessing probably some kind of spring loaded metal. A carjack can lift a car so why wouldn't his bo be able to?

The car is already going down a bumpy slope so I don't think it'd take much to launch it into the air. And a lot of people are saying he flips the car, but that's an exaggeration.

Also, it's pretty ****ing cool. I love the idea of the turtles using their shells as sleds.Yeah! One clip looks like Michelangelo may be launching off a box truck with his rocket board. I wonder if the reason we only see the other three turtles on their shells is because he's snowboarding. :teek:

[Dākunaito]

Yeah! One clip looks like Michelangelo may be launching off a box truck with his rocket board. I wonder if the reason we only see the other three turtles on their shells is because he's snowboarding. :teek:

Ohh hadn't thought of that, that clip does appear to be on the slope. That would make the scene even cooler maybe Donnie adjusted the board so the wheels come off and he can snowboard with it.

[UGHShellshocked]

I really don't see what the big deal is. We don't know how Donnie's bo is rigged up, but I'm guessing probably some kind of spring loaded metal. A carjack can lift a car so why wouldn't his bo be able to?

The car is already going down a bumpy slope so I don't think it'd take much to launch it into the air. And a lot of people are saying he flips the car, but that's an exaggeration.

Also, it's pretty ****ing cool. I love the idea of the turtles using their shells as sleds.

Could be something he made up on the fly using some of the gadgets found at the lab that they are taken to, we've seen the pictures and gifs of Raph with all his brothers weapons on him and the bo is black and this thing he launches the car up with is metal.


We haven't seen the entire scene to really say if he flipped the car or if he just delayed it or if it'll flip on its side and crash. The metal bo could possibly retract down and and up again and go through the engine block disabling it.

[electric_sheep]

Could be something he made up on the fly using some of the gadgets found at the lab that they are taken to, we've seen the pictures and gifs of Raph with all his brothers weapons on him and the bo is black and this thing he launches the car up with is metal.


We haven't seen the entire scene to really say if he flipped the car or if he just delayed it or if it'll flip on its side and crash. The metal bo could possibly retract down and and up again and go through the engine block disabling it.


I mean, why stop there? Katanas, what a lame weapon, chainsaw katanas, now we are talking. Raph's Sais shoot lasers now, ofcourse! Throw a couple of machineguns on that bo staff of Donnies, Mikey can keep nunchacks, because those are awesome...

[Radical Raph]

I mean, why stop there? Katanas, what a lame weapon, chainsaw katanas, now we are talking. Raph's Sais shoot lasers now, ofcourse! Throw a couple of machineguns on that bo staff of Donnies, Mikey can keep nunchacks, because those are awesome...
This would only be a nitpick if Donnie wasn't known for being inventive. But that's his character so I don't see the issue.

[Puddinpop]

Kind of like Hawkeye's bow in The Avengers. A push of the button gave him multiple choice arrow tips to choose from.

YES!!! That's what im talking about :lol:
Id love it.. but that would probably be a bit gory lol

[Sighphi]

All of the Transformers movies are kids movies too. Think about the subject matter.

The subject matter has nothing to do with the presentation which is the point.

Kids go see standard M. Bay films all the time.. even though this isn't one lol..
Fortunately this movie with pull in kids/teenagers and adults ranging from 19-40's.

Kids can actually go see rated R movies as long as there is a parent.
That doesnt mean those movies are for kids.

And we all watched as The Turtles were launched in the air flying up into the sky in the late 80s animated series.

http://media.giphy.com/media/M87vuD6OrpO6s/giphy.gif

The only far fetched thing in this is the fact that April is driving. :tlol:

This is why i am saying that i am treating this movie like a cartoon now.
They are doing this type of stuff.

[Leolead]

They need to release that darn trailer! and that way we'll be able to see what's happening more!

[IndigoErth]

You'll see all of what's happening more in several weeks. :goof:

[Leolead]

But why did they take down the bootleg version? if they won't release the official one?

[xChri5x]

But why did they take down the bootleg version? if they won't release the official one?

They don't want to lose out on ad revenue when they do decide to publish it online. They could also have a deal with another company to premiere it exclusively on that company's website.

[Cure]

I don't mind or question when movies do crazy and unrealistic things, because they are just that, movies. I welcome the insanity.

[slingtheory]

Ok ill say this. I can buy the staff causing the thing to lose control because its jacked up suddenly on one side or even tip over completely but doesn't it go flying over his head? I watch a lot of comicbook movies and yes suspension of disbelief is required but the good ones usually don't break the rules of reality without some kind of in universe justification. if donnies bo turns out to be made of some kind of unbreakable super metal then cool launch all the motor vehicles you want. If not and its just an average ordinary retractable staff then having the force from that stick have that kind of effect on that jeep/truck is just giving physics the finger.

[Netkeeper]

I'll give you that. Superman is definitely not an underdog. But we always know the hero is going to win.

If that is your preference is scale, that is your preference.

I just mean that Superman is a unique kind of hero. It's not about whether he can beat the other guy, it's about what he chooses to do with tremendous power. They say absolute power corrupts absolutely, but Superman still believes in freedom and justice. He's humble and kind. It's like, if one man can have all that power and still be good, then there's that much more reason to have hope in humanity. He can't be that with less power.
Okay, with that explanation, I can see some appeal. I suppose it just isn't my cup of tea.

[Puddinpop]

Kids can actually go see rated R movies as long as there is a parent.
That doesnt mean those movies are for kids.



This is why i am saying that i am treating this movie like a cartoon now.
They are doing this type of stuff.

Are you really debating that this movie.. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.. isn't a kids movie also?

Ok.. so do you treat every CBM as a cartoon?
I find it a little ironic that in one sentence you state that you are treating this film as a "cartoon" and then in the next sentence you claim it not to be a kids film.

It's has been said by people working on this movie that " kids are a different animal today "
and that they could get away with making a little more of an edgy TMNT film than way back when.

Remember what Andre Nemec said during an interview?

What would you say is the age range for this one? How young an audience can appreciate it?
Nemec: Not having children, a child between the age of three and 16 is pretty much all the same to me. (Laughs) I really don't know. I do think that the kids that go to see "Transformers" and the kids that go to the big comic book movies will really enjoy it. There's nothing sort of overtly gross or offending in our material. The canon can, again, be quite irreverent at times in some of its forms, but we didn't make it gross. I mean gross by 12-year old standards

Why are we even debating this?

Edit: Just an honest question ok.. Why.. if this thread was moved from this area.. did you post it twice? Was there a reason why you HAD to have it in here? Just wondering

I watch a lot of comicbook movies and yes suspension of disbelief is required but the good ones usually don't break the rules of reality without some kind of in universe justification.

The "good ones" is purely observational. But that aside.. Whether it be the Avengers, Spiderman, Superman, Hellboy, X-men, Batman.. imo these are great movies.
But I don't understand how anyone can say that " Donnies Bo flipping an SUV" is "breaking the rules" and that these other CB films haven't with their Characters.

I don't understand the need for the poking and prodding when it comes to these things. It's a CBM.. These things make films more enjoyable if people would just leave the skepticism/cynicism at the door and just enjoy it for what it is.. a movie. It's nice to just let go of reality and allow yourself to be sucked into another world.. I don't think that scene was tooo outrageous. But that's me.. It's one thing to just.. not like it.. not everyone has to like everything.. When it comes to myself.. Scenes like the Hummer scene and the shot with Donnie are very cool. Considering this being a CBM.. To look at something like that and say " that wouldn't happen in real life" is just missing the entire point. In my opinion. I guess it's just about preference.. what you want and don't want in a movie.. But I'm not going to pretend that what I see in other CBM's is justified or any less improbable than the scene with Donnie.. just me

[Jester]

Comic book movies have varying degrees of "reality". A film like Superman is miles away more fantastic and full of more super-powered feats then say a Batman or a Kick-Ass movie. The Turtles have always been, despite the extreme craziness of their origins, portrayed as characters who have no super powers, just a decade and a half of martial arts training. That's part of what makes them appeal to a lot of people.

It'd be like taking Superman and striping him of all his powers. Those are what makes him Superman and what fans are often looking for.

[Sighphi]

Are you really debating that this movie.. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.. isn't a kids movie also?

Ok.. so do you treat every CBM as a cartoon?
I find it a little ironic that in one sentence you state that you are treating this film as a "cartoon" and then in the next sentence you claim it not to be a kids film.

Saying cartoon does not automatically mean that it's meant for kids.



It's has been said by people working on this movie that " kids are a different animal today "
and that they could get away with making a little more of an edgy TMNT film than way back when.

Remember what Andre Nemec said during an interview?



Why are we even debating this?

Yes because one of the people of the movie is going to actually go out there a limit the potential viewing audience. He would get fired on the spot.

BTW, a kids movie and a movie that is ok for kids are two different things.

The viewing audience for Transformer was straight up teenagers, that movie had its goofy stupid crap but it was in no way a movie for kids. Kids could see it because there werent that many serious things but that was not the target audience.

And , based on what we are looking at now, this movie seems to follow the same tone.


Edit: Just an honest question ok.. Why.. if this thread was moved from this area.. did you post it twice? Was there a reason why you HAD to have it in here? Just wondering

Huh? All i know is that my thread was merged with another and i have been posting here since it was. I dont know how the board works, i am not a mod. You are going to have to ask a mod on why this is happening.

I dont know why my original thread which has "moved" in front keeps updating based on this thread. I just noticed this from what you posted.

[Jester]

The threads were merged because they were a similar subject, with a redirect left on the page. It'll die in a week.

[Puddinpop]

Comic book movies have varying degrees of "reality". A film like Superman is miles away more fantastic and full of more super-powered feats then say a Batman or a Kick-Ass movie. The Turtles have always been, despite the extreme craziness of their origins, portrayed as characters who have no super powers, just a decade and a half of martial arts training. That's part of what makes them appeal to a lot of people.

It'd be like taking Superman and striping him of all his powers. Those are what makes him Superman and what fans are often looking for.

I understand.. but to claim what is right or wrong for TMNT? to dictate what direction the franchise should head in for everyone else? I understand that some dislike what they've done.. but to say it's wrong for TMNT or that it has no basis in TMNT or that this is all change for the sake of change 2 months before the movie comes out? It's a bit premature imo. Just bc someone has a preference doesn't make it " right or wrong " for a new modern day reboot of a live action trilogy. Well let the success or failure of this film make that determination. And they still don't have "super powers". Maybe there is a reason why they're stronger than before. I don't think it's totally crazy to make a mutant turtle ninja stronger than a human being but that's me. This is why I sometimes suggest " waiting to see the movie ". I'm not telling anyone to " not speculate " about the film.. But a lot of the things being said aren't speculation.. they're blanket statements about things that need context to make a solid judgment on, without context it becomes a prejudgment imo. Context is very important. Donnie has ALWAYS had gadgets.. he used a mechanism on his bo staff. Something that in 2014 shouldn't be that much of a stretch let alone for a CBM. Sometimes I wonder if they would have done some crazy things with the 1990 film if they had the tech. Eastman talked about that in regards to this film.. he's been able to do a lot of things that they weren't able to do before. Bc of the technology and big budget.
It is simply to early to say that these turtles wont know martial arts or wont be ninjas.
Even though we've seen short shots of them using martial arts. Megan Fox calls them Ninjas in that short line. So it's all speculation really.. at this point. Imo.. I think they will be ninjas.. I think they will be teenagers, I think that they will be mutants, and they are OBVIOUSLY turtles. To me.. that's what matters. I think they will fight better than they ever have, and that the fight scenes will be more technical, more intense than ever. The special effects 20 years later give them the ability to do more. So I think everything that made them what they are will be included.. their personalities and capabilities. They are not trying to make the 1990 movie again. This is a different interpretation. It's a new telling of the story. Something fresh. If it's done well.. and becomes very successful, growing the franchise while bringing in a whole new wave of fans, then I take that as a good thing. it's about what's good for the franchise , and right now it's to early to tell
Yes because one of the people of the movie is going to actually go out there a limit the potential viewing audience. He would get fired on the spot.

BTW, a kids movie and a movie that is ok for kids are two different things.

The viewing audience for Transformer was straight up teenagers, that movie had its goofy stupid crap but it was in no way a movie for kids. Kids could see it because there werent that many serious things but that was not the target audience.

And , based on what we are looking at now, this movie seems to follow the same tone.

I swear lol.. One minute some of you are claiming that this film will not be edgy or gritty bc of the "Nickelodeon" heading and now I'm reading that it wont be for kids.. at all.

Are you suggesting that kids aren't apart of the "target audience"? Why are you splitting hairs with such an obvious observation? Transformers didn't have preteens "KIDS" in the audience? Are you kidding me? I saw LOTS of kids when seeing Transformers.. every single film.You're coming out and saying that this isn't a kids film.. contradicting what the film makers and people involved have said. It was obviously MADE for kids, AND for the older generation of TMNT fans. WILL IT BE APPROPRIATE FOR CHILDREN? How can you say for sure that is isn't? and no you cant make that judgment based on a 90 second trailer. In which I saw nothing inappropriate for kids to see. It's been said that this film was made partially for a whole new generation of fans. With the new Nick toon and this being a Nickelodeon film I'm not going to call anyone a liar either. This movie was obviously made for a wide range of ages. When I go see it in theatres I'm sure ill see lots of kids, probably all huge fans of the Nick toon. They know that this is a huge demographic that they need to pull in.

I cant believe this is even being disputed..

[UGHShellshocked]

What if each of them take a car out while they are sliding down the hill? Raph gets launched into one, Donnie uses his modified bo and we just have to wait to see what the other two are doing.

[Sighphi]

I swear lol.. One minute some of you are claiming that this film will not be edgy or gritty bc of the "Nickelodeon" heading and now I'm reading that it wont be for kids.. at all.

Never said anything of the sort.
You must be confusing me with some one else.

Are you suggesting that kids aren't apart of the "target audience"?

Yeah, from what we see this seems like a standard PG-13 flick is more leaning towards an older crowd.

Why are you splitting hairs with such an obvious observation?

I'm not splitting hairs i am making a point.
A kids movie and a movie can kids can see are not the same thing.

Transformers didn't have preteens "KIDS" in the audience?
Are you kidding me? I saw LOTS of kids when seeing Transformers.. every single film.

Of course it did, it's a movie that can bee seen by kids.

You're coming out and saying that this isn't a kids film.. contradicting what the film makers and people involved have said. It was obviously MADE for kids, AND for the older generation of TMNT fans. WILL IT BE APPROPRIATE FOR CHILDREN? How can you say for sure that is isn't?

Did the film makes say it's a kids film?
Or did they say this film can be seen by kids?
Cause that quote you use the dude is clearly saying that this film will be fine for kids. Not that it will be a kids movie.


and no you cant make that judgment based on a 90 second trailer. In which I saw nothing inappropriate for kids to see. It's been said that this film was made partially for a whole new generation of fans. With the new Nick toon and this being a Nickelodeon film I'm not going to call anyone a liar either. This movie was obviously made for a wide range of ages. When I go see it in theatres I'm sure ill see lots of kids, probably all huge fans of the Nick toon. They know that this is a huge demographic that they need to pull in.

I cant believe this is even being disputed..

I dont know what you think it's being disputed.
All i said is that this was going to be the standard PG-13 action movie and for some reason that was seen as problematic.

[Coola Yagami]

That's exactly what I'm talking about. We wouldn't question this stuff in a cartoon, or a comic book. But there's something about shooting something with a camera that makes everyone say, "They had better explain this, because it needs to make sense."

It's just like how people can't accept a dramatic, mature story if it's animated. Animation can only be for kids. It just doesn't make sense to me.

That's because cartoons and comics have more time to explain where the wacky stuff came from. The 2k3 tmnt didn't have random people using blasters until after the triceraton invasion and they didn't add future tech to their lair after their trip to the future. But there are entire episodes and seasons to explain where all this came from. For all the wacky stuff Marvel and DC does there's always some past issue or story arc to explain it and then it continues to get expanded upon. It has some sort of explanation within that world...and even then The rest of the world continues to function the way our world does to make the weird stuff stand out.


I doubt the movie is gonna explain where Don got the bo (or the strength) to flip a truck. Nor should he. Just like raph shouldn't be able to slam into a Humvee without getting knocked the hell out.

The turtles never had super strength either. And that argument about being able to do more now than what they could in the 90s is bs. They could do way more in the current batman movies than they could in the Burton era and they didn't make Batman fight with a life saber just because 'they can'.


Honestly I think you people try too hard to defend this. There's being a fan and then there's extreme blind devotion. And don't give me that crisp about we haven't seen the movie yet. LOTS of movies have trailers that you can already tell the movie is gonna suck based on what is shown. And there aren't legions of people desperately trying to explain away why the trailer clearly shows. It's like a transformers movie where Prime was a jet instead of a truck. The trailer will clearly show prime as a jet. And the lot of you will be explaining away or making wacky half-assed theories on how somehow the trailer is wrong and he'll still be a truck all along.

Just like all the wacky Oroku Saki is not a renamed Eric Sachs theories.

[Puddinpop]

I don't mind or question when movies do crazy and unrealistic things, because they are just that, movies. I welcome the insanity.

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[MrTMNT2012]

The turtles never had super strength either.

:teek: Wow. You've never seen anything TMNT-related in your life then...

Or you just happened to once again be completely oblivious to certain things like Raph twirling and throwing a mutated rhinoceros (that was meant to be the more realistic version of the original series mind you) or countless times where the Turtles sent people literally flying by a single kick or punch in the 2K3 & 2012 Series.

[Coola Yagami]

:teek: Wow. You've never seen anything TMNT-related in your life then...

Or you just happened to once again be completely oblivious to certain things like Raph twirling and throwing a mutated rhinoceros (that was meant to be the more realistic version of the original series mind you) or countless times where the Turtles sent people literally flying by a single kick or punch in the 2K3 & 2012 Series.

Kinda think flipping a truck without breaking the stick or messing up your muscles is a lot different than your examples.

As the show went on the writers seem to forget that bebop and rocksteady are supposed to be stronger (and heavier) than regular people and couldn't even accomplish simple tasks they should he able to. I'm quite it would look a lot less realistic if raph did that to rocksteady in live action unless rocksteady was a real small dude.

The second example is weak. Lots of heroes and even live action heroes seem to send people flying with their punches and kicks without super powers. It's just cartoon/movie physics.

Fact of the matter is the tmnt, aside from their hard shells for extra protection, have no real super powers or super strength. Just their ninja skills.

[Puddinpop]

The turtles never had super strength either. And that argument about being able to do more now than what they could in the 90s is bs.

Honestly I think you people try too hard to defend this. There's being a fan and then there's extreme blind devotion. And don't give me that crisp about we haven't seen the movie yet. LOTS of movies have trailers that you can already tell the movie is gonna suck based on what is shown. And there aren't legions of people desperately trying to explain away why the trailer clearly shows. It's like a transformers movie where Prime was a jet instead of a truck. The trailer will clearly show prime as a jet. And the lot of you will be explaining away or making wacky half-assed theories on how somehow the trailer is wrong and he'll still be a truck all along.

Just like all the wacky Oroku Saki is not a renamed Eric Sachs theories.

Someone wake up on the wrong side of the bed today? Let me say.. if one of us came out and delivered multiple posts like this wed get some angry responses.

Didn't you read Banshee's post yesterday? Calling us "blind" or saying that we are blindly devoted to this film is just as ridiculous as someone saying that your an " overly critical cynical nostalgic whining fanboy" So far every time ive posted this morning you've come out and called it "BS".. saying that we are "desperately trying to defend this movie" and that we are " making up wacky half assed theories". Ok.. Whatever.. good for you lol.

Chill out with the Flame bait dude. You like what you like.. We like what we like..

[Sumac]

Just bc someone has a preference doesn't make it " right or wrong " for a new modern day reboot of a live action trilogy.
Well, in the next reboot they can be turned into alien samurai vaguely-reptillian muations, fighting enemies with flamethrowers, but I don't think people will think that its the right thing.
You can out oflimits, but sometimes you can go out of them TOO much.

[zodiac brave]

Kinda think flipping a truck without breaking the stick or messing up your muscles is a lot different than your examples.

can you explain how?

and why?

The second example is weak. Lots of heroes and even live action heroes seem to send people flying with their punches and kicks without super powers. It's just cartoon/movie physics.


*facepalm*

do i even have to explain why i singled this part out???

[chrisdude]

What if each of them take a car out while they are sliding down the hill? Raph gets launched into one, Donnie uses his modified bo and we just have to wait to see what the other two are doing.Makes sense.

That's because cartoons and comics have more time to explain where the wacky stuff came from. The 2k3 tmnt didn't have random people using blasters until after the triceraton invasion and they didn't add future tech to their lair after their trip to the future. But there are entire episodes and seasons to explain where all this came from. For all the wacky stuff Marvel and DC does there's always some past issue or story arc to explain it and then it continues to get expanded upon. It has some sort of explanation within that world...and even then The rest of the world continues to function the way our world does to make the weird stuff stand out.That's not really what I'm getting at. You're doing what it is I'm talking about. You're reasoning assumes that given story takes place in a world that's just like ours, and any differences should have an explanation. I'm talking about fantasy worlds were things aren't expected to work like ours.

When Moe hits Curly on the head with a hammer, you don't require plausible explanation as to why Curly's not injured. You realize that this is a world in which hammers don't cause serious injury, and when Larry gets burned with an iron, it makes sense. The rules of that universe simply don't match ours.

The people in Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon didn't have superhero origin stories. Neither did the ex-boyfriends in Scott Pilgrim vs The World.

My original complaint was that people rarely let go and allow that to happen with live action, but anything goes if the movie is animated. I'm surprised I came up with three examples.

I doubt the movie is gonna explain where Don got the bo (or the strength) to flip a truck. Nor should he. Just like raph shouldn't be able to slam into a Humvee without getting knocked the hell out.Do you really believe that?

The turtles never had super strength either. And that argument about being able to do more now than what they could in the 90s is bs. They could do way more in the current batman movies than they could in the Burton era and they didn't make Batman fight with a life saber just because 'they can'.Hopefully, these turtles will, at least, run on the rooftops.

BTW, that's either a feat of superhuman strength and endurance, which needs to be explained - or it's just a feature of a world that's not rigidly realistic.

Honestly I think you people try too hard to defend this. There's being a fan and then there's extreme blind devotion. And don't give me that crisp about we haven't seen the movie yet. LOTS of movies have trailers that you can already tell the movie is gonna suck based on what is shown. And there aren't legions of people desperately trying to explain away why the trailer clearly shows. It's like a transformers movie where Prime was a jet instead of a truck. The trailer will clearly show prime as a jet. And the lot of you will be explaining away or making wacky half-assed theories on how somehow the trailer is wrong and he'll still be a truck all along.

Just like all the wacky Oroku Saki is not a renamed Eric Sachs theories.I'm cool with what I've seen, as I've seen it. I'm just not assuming that this world operates exactly like ours.

[Warhorse]

Comic book movies have varying degrees of "reality". A film like Superman is miles away more fantastic and full of more super-powered feats then say a Batman or a Kick-Ass movie. The Turtles have always been, despite the extreme craziness of their origins, portrayed as characters who have no super powers, just a decade and a half of martial arts training. That's part of what makes them appeal to a lot of people.

It'd be like taking Superman and striping him of all his powers. Those are what makes him Superman and what fans are often looking for.

This is why I would totally be up for a TMNT/Kick Ass cross over. Who would get the bigger shock. Mindy seeing a bunch of gigantic mutant turtles who are trained in the art of Ninja, or the Turtles shock that an 11 year old is a brutal killing machine.:D

Originally Posted by UGHShellshocked View Post
What if each of them take a car out while they are sliding down the hill? Raph gets launched into one, Donnie uses his modified bo and we just have to wait to see what the other two are doing.

Well, Leo will probably slash the tires on one truck with this swords, and with snow like that, it will easily flip over. Mikey, I can see him jump onto the driver's side door, and whip his nunchucks out, wrapping them around the steering wheel, jerking it sharply, and then causing that vehicle to flip over.

[chrisdude]

But what if the other two takedowns are just as outrageous as the two we know? :D

[Warhorse]

But what if the other two takedowns are just as outrageous as the two we know? :D

Oooh, you mean, Leo will just slice the damn humvee clean in half?

[chrisdude]

Oooh, you mean, Leo will just slice the damn humvee clean in half?And Mikey just lifts the engine out of his.

[Coola Yagami]

Makes sense.

That's not really what I'm getting at. You're doing what it is I'm talking about. You're reasoning assumes that given story takes place in a world that's just like ours, and any differences should have an explanation. I'm talking about fantasy worlds were things aren't expected to work like ours.

When Moe hits Curly on the head with a hammer, you don't require plausible explanation as to why Curly's not injured. You realize that this is a world in which hammers don't cause serious injury, and when Larry gets burned with an iron, it makes sense. The rules of that universe simply don't match ours.

The people in Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon didn't have superhero origin stories. Neither did the ex-boyfriends in Scott Pilgrim vs The World.

My original complaint was that people rarely let go and allow that to happen with live action, but anything goes if the movie is animated. I'm surprised I came up with three examples.

Do you really believe that?

Hopefully, these turtles will, at least, run on the rooftops.

BTW, that's either a feat of superhuman strength and endurance, which needs to be explained - or it's just a feature of a world that's not rigidly realistic.

I'm cool with what I've seen, as I've seen it. I'm just not assuming that this world operates exactly like ours.

Usually movies like these take place in a 'real world' where the only weird things are whatever the movie is about. Otherwise the turtles wouldn't be a big deal cause April would already be working for a talking aardvark and be paying rent to a mutant plant. The three stooges take place in a comedic world and sometimes even the non-stooges act like it's weird or surprising that curly can take that much damage to his head while moe and Larry act like nothing is weird.

Crouching Tiger is also an exaggerated world where martaul arts somehow make you leap several feet in the air.

Tmnt is obviously supposed to take place in a realistic world despite all the mutants and aliens and other monsters. Otherwise the turtles could just walk around like regular people and April can just whip out a giant mallet out of her purse and bash the foot soldiers herself.

Movies always have some suspension of disbelief. Especially in a movie about talking turtles were supposed to believe could happen. But don't go overboard with the cartoon physics or it'll look obviously fake.

[pennydreadful]

Good gravy, can't we stop arguing for one day? Whether the movie sucks or not, it's so not worth the aggro that's being passed around here.

[IndigoErth]

Oooh, you mean, Leo will just slice the damn humvee clean in half?

Psh. Leo is leader and is awesome. Leo says flip over, you frikkin FLIP OVER.


(Arguing.. admit it, humans love to do it. Internet and every forum known to man is proof of that.. lol Some just get off on it more I guess.)

[Coola Yagami]

Makes sense.

That's not really what I'm getting at. You're doing what it is I'm talking about. You're reasoning assumes that given story takes place in a world that's just like ours, and any differences should have an explanation. I'm talking about fantasy worlds were things aren't expected to work like ours.

When Moe hits Curly on the head with a hammer, you don't require plausible explanation as to why Curly's not injured. You realize that this is a world in which hammers don't cause serious injury, and when Larry gets burned with an iron, it makes sense. The rules of that universe simply don't match ours.

The people in Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon didn't have superhero origin stories. Neither did the ex-boyfriends in Scott Pilgrim vs The World.

My original complaint was that people rarely let go and allow that to happen with live action, but anything goes if the movie is animated. I'm surprised I came up with three examples.

Do you really believe that?

Hopefully, these turtles will, at least, run on the rooftops.

BTW, that's either a feat of superhuman strength and endurance, which needs to be explained - or it's just a feature of a world that's not rigidly realistic.

I'm cool with what I've seen, as I've seen it. I'm just not assuming that this world operates exactly like ours.

Sorry for the hate. I'm just confused that on a forum for tmnt fans this movie isn't burnt to a crisp with all the mess ups and needless changes it has. It's like... Are you even fans of the characters? This is about as true to the series as the Mario movie was to the games and yet everyone is acting like the best movie ever. It honestly boggles the mind for me. I truly and honestly don't get it.

I'm sorry but for me it does look like blind devotion. Like no matter what crap they put out, as long as you slap tmnt on it you'll all flock to it and make it sell like pancakes. I remember lots of posts back when we still thought they'd be aliens of people saying it doesn't matter how horrible the movie might be as long as it's out there in the public eyes. But why take a chance on something do horrible so that tmnt will be benched until someone else gets the rights?

I'll stop the hate for now. But honestly. I just don't see it. This just isn't tmnt. And yet the vast maturity is ready to welcome this crap with open arms. Might as well make a Venus feature film. I'm sure you'll flock to it too. And defend it til the day you die.

[chrisdude]

Usually movies like these take place in a 'real world' where the only weird things are whatever the movie is about. Otherwise the turtles wouldn't be a big deal cause April would already be working for a talking aardvark and be paying rent to a mutant plant. The three stooges take place in a comedic world and sometimes even the non-stooges act like it's weird or surprising that curly can take that much damage to his head while moe and Larry act like nothing is weird.

Crouching Tiger is also an exaggerated world where martaul arts somehow make you leap several feet in the air.

Tmnt is obviously supposed to take place in a realistic world despite all the mutants and aliens and other monsters. Otherwise the turtles could just walk around like regular people and April can just whip out a giant mallet out of her purse and bash the foot soldiers herself.

Movies always have some suspension of disbelief. Especially in a movie about talking turtles were supposed to believe could happen. But don't go overboard with the cartoon physics or it'll look obviously fake.How does the bo work? Why does the van look so nice? Why didn't Raph break his shell? Why would April faint? Raphiel's disguise is ridiculous!

"Obviously supposed to take place in a realistic world," yet we question its realism at every turn. I wouldn't be so sure.

I gave examples of worlds where things were nearly realistic. Why are you dragging out to the extreme with talk of mallets and aardvarks? There are obviously shades of gray. We were discussing them.

[MrTMNT2012]

Sorry for the hate. I'm just confused that on a forum for tmnt fans this movie isn't burnt to a crisp with all the mess ups and needless changes it has. It's like... Are you even fans of the characters? This is about as true to the series as the Mario movie was to the games and yet everyone is acting like the best movie ever. It honestly boggles the mind for me. I truly and honestly don't get it.

I'm sorry but for me it does look like blind devotion. Like no matter what crap they put out, as long as you slap tmnt on it you'll all flock to it and make it sell like pancakes. I remember lots of posts back when we still thought they'd be aliens of people saying it doesn't matter how horrible the movie might be as long as it's out there in the public eyes. But why take a chance on something do horrible so that tmnt will be benched until someone else gets the rights?

I'll stop the hate for now. But honestly. I just don't see it. This just isn't tmnt. And yet the vast maturity is ready to welcome this crap with open arms. Might as well make a Venus feature film. I'm sure you'll flock to it too. And defend it til the day you die.

This guy just doesn't understand opinions...

Btw there ARE a ton of things I hate about this new movie (I'm not blindly devoted to it.) just like with every single movie. No movie is perfect! Wether you like it or not, it IS TMNT and it will be a smash hit based everything we know!

[pennydreadful]

(Arguing.. admit it, humans love to do it. Internet and every forum known to man is proof of that.. lol Some just get off on it more I guess.)

Oh hells yes - it's more just the fact that it's the same subjects over and over and over, saying things that have already been said a million times. It makes for very dull reading! :lol:

I'd hoped that the Seth Green news might've distracted everyone for at least a day or two!

[Leolead]

[QUOTE=Coola Yagami;1285054]Sorry for the hate. I'm just confused that on a forum for tmnt fans this movie isn't burnt to a crisp with all the mess ups and needless changes it has. It's like... Are you even fans of the characters? This is about as true to the series as the Mario movie was to the games and yet everyone is acting like the best movie ever. It honestly boggles the mind for me. I truly and honestly don't get it.

I'm sorry but for me it does look like blind devotion. Like no matter what crap they put out, as long as you slap tmnt on it you'll all flock to it and make it sell like pancakes. I remember lots of posts back when we still thought they'd be aliens of people saying it doesn't matter how horrible the movie might be as long as it's out there in the public eyes. But why take a chance on something do horrible so that tmnt will be benched until someone else gets the rights?


:| Different people, different opinions.

[graphic_content]

Oooh, you mean, Leo will just slice the damn humvee clean in half?

i know this was sarcasm, but...yes please. Im a huge anime fan, and they do things like this all the time, Leo should have his moment in the spotlight with something like this. :D

[chrisdude]

If you guys are tired of the arguing, consider this statement from original post:
With Leo landing and creating craters, Raph back-handing some one to space, his destruction of the Humvee, Mike with the rocket skateboard, and now Don flipping a truck with his bow... it's pretty obvious that any sort of logic has been thrown out the window.

That "any sort of logic" is exactly what Coola and I were discussing. We were so on topic, it's not even funny.

[IndigoErth]

@ Coola Yagami

I suppose I'm sort of a gray area. And doubt that I'm alone.

A lot of things I'm willing to let slide because this is just one film and aren't that big of a deal, to me.

Like you (I assume) I will be skipping the theater because the one part that is vital to me - appeal and recognizability of the Turtles - isn't there. I can't find a feeling as if it's actually them.


On topic... Really I could largely ignore the absurd anti-physics, even if I'd find it a little hypocritical after all the "we're making/want it as realistic as possible" chanting. Though if they'd seem a bit too super powered that's kind of annoying and possible loss of feeling a connection with characters that are normally a lot more on our level.

[pennydreadful]

If you guys are tired of the arguing, consider this statement from original post:


That "any sort of logic" is exactly what Coola and I were discussing. We were so on topic, it's not even funny.

It's cool chris - I'm probably just feeling a bit burnt out on the movie debating/discussing/frequent arguing... I should probably take a mini-brain-break from the movie threads for a day or two! :) Tis all good, didn't mean to sound snippy! 8)

[GrapeSoda]

@ Coola Yagami

I suppose I'm sort of a gray area. And doubt that I'm alone.

A lot of things I'm willing to let slide because this is just one film and aren't that big of a deal, to me.

Like you (I assume) I will be skipping the theater because the one part that is vital to me - appeal and recognizability of the Turtles - isn't there. I can't find a feeling as if it's actually them.


On topic... Really I could largely ignore the absurd anti-physics, even if I'd find it a little hypocritical after all the "we're making/want it as realistic as possible" chanting. Though if they'd seem a bit too super powered that's kind of annoying and possible loss of feeling a connection with characters that are normally a lot more on our level.

i agree with you, completely. it just feel "Transformers trilogy" empty to me, from what i've seen so far. i can't support that. (i'm looking at you "rise of cobra"!!)

[Warhorse]

Psh. Leo is leader and is awesome. Leo says flip over, you frikkin FLIP OVER.


(Arguing.. admit it, humans love to do it. Internet and every forum known to man is proof of that.. lol Some just get off on it more I guess.)

I'm starting to think it's not just arguing, but there are posters here who must absolutely have the last word! That's all there is to it.

Originally Posted by graphic_content View Post
i know this was sarcasm, but...yes please. Im a huge anime fan, and they do things like this all the time, Leo should have his moment in the spotlight with something like this.


I don't mind. My favorite move from Raphael in any of his incarnations is him flinging his Sai and it hits it's target, dead on. I don't care that Sai aren't meant for that, with Raphael, he's the best damn Sai master in the universe, and he can do anything he damn well pleases with them! And really, I don't give a crap if this is unrealistic or not.

[SwiftNinjaFox]

With Leo landing and creating craters, Raph back-handing some one to space, his destruction of the Humvee, Mike with the rocket skateboard, and now Don flipping a truck with his bow... it's pretty obvious that any sort of logic has been thrown out the window.


Hey look, super strength.

Just...
Like...
The...
Blue....
Door......

If it's "just his bo" that does it....well, you damn well better have him putting some negative gravity tech on that bo. Then I'll be pretty happy with it. :D

"Eat negative gravity, you loser!"


or any movies in which the heroes are in extraordinary circumstances, in general, and had to overcome obstacles with extraordinary strength?

if not, what action/adventure movies DO you like?

There are plenty of entries out there explaining why Die Hard is one of the greatest action movies ever made while the new Die Hard movies are pretty sucktastic.

It can largely be boiled down to "you take away his shoes and you shatter glass." :D

You humanize the action hero by emphasizing his weakness, not his strengths. In the first film, McClain was the true American action hero, but he was unquestionably the underdog in that film as well.

[Candy Kappa]

I don't mind. My favorite move from Raphael in any of his incarnations is him flinging his Sai and it hits it's target, dead on. I don't care that Sai aren't meant for that, with Raphael, he's the best damn Sai master in the universe, and he can do anything he damn well pleases with them! And really, I don't give a crap if this is unrealistic or not.

Well, the Sai secondary as a throwing weapon there are techniques where you throw the Sai at the opponent's feet. One of the reasons why carrying three Sai was not uncommon.

[zodiac brave]

There are plenty of entries out there explaining why Die Hard is one of the greatest action movies ever made while the new Die Hard movies are pretty sucktastic.

It can largely be boiled down to "you take away his shoes and you shatter glass." :D

You humanize the action hero by emphasizing his weakness, not his strengths. In the first film, McClain was the true American action hero, but he was unquestionably the underdog in that film as well.

and how do we know from the tiniest tidbits of info that we've gotten that the turtles won't have their "shoes taken away".

the point i was responding to wasn't that there aren't going to be any obstacles, it was that with the *apparent* buffing up the turtles have gotten, the obstacles are going to be easy to overcome.

(my response was that thats not necessarily true and that the obstacles would just be that much more buffed up as well.)

i totally agree that great drama in these types of stories comes from the heroes overcoming their weaknesses.

[Xiewin]

Okay, at first I thought this thread was interesting, now its just here to nitpick...

[Warhorse]

Well, the Sai secondary as a throwing weapon there are techniques where you throw the Sai at the opponent's feet. One of the reasons why carrying three Sai was not uncommon.

Yeah, but Raphael has been shown to throw the Sai with such brute force, that it goes through metal and concrete walls. And I don't mind a bit.

[IndigoErth]

Yeah, but Raphael has been shown to throw the Sai with such brute force, that it goes through metal and concrete walls. And I don't mind a bit.
Good lord, he's got the force of a tornado. And the temper of one.:P

[Warhorse]

Good lord, he's got the force of a tornado. And the temper of one.:P

Hey, in the comics, he once threw not his Sai, but his brother, Leonardo, right through a barn wall. I'd like the cartoon or future movies feature that raw power of his once, and how dangerous he can be.

[IndigoErth]

Hey, in the comics, he once threw not his Sai, but his brother, Leonardo, right through a barn wall. I'd like the cartoon or future movies feature that raw power of his once, and how dangerous he can be.
If they do that, Leo better get to kick his ass in a later scene... :P


Leo's like a damn Taurus - like me :D - sure the calmest one.. the patience.. the rock... but don't ask for the horns. lol (Do these guys even have a birthdate(s)..)

[Warhorse]

If they do that, Leo better get to kick his ass in a later scene... :P

Well, not quite. And mind you, I might be getting stories mixed up, so here goes. After Raph knocked out Leo, he went after the Shredder, but the Shredder nearly beat him to death until Leo showed up, and then Raph admits that Leo was right, and lets him deal with the Shredder himself, which in turn, Leo does overpower and lay waste. What I remember of it. I don't think Leo in the comics is like Leo in the last few cartoons we have had. He's not a show boater, or is arrogant about his accomplishments. He says what needs to be said and takes care of business when it needs to be taken care of. In other words, I just don't see him as the revenge type of guy, especially towards his brothers.

[miru]

What did you expect? Michael "style over substance" Bay is directing

[Xiewin]

What did you expect? Michael "style over substance" Bay is directing

Are you referring to the 2014 movie, because he's not directing it.

[IndigoErth]

He's not a show boater, or is arrogant about his accomplishments. He says what needs to be said and takes care of business when it needs to be taken care of. In other words, I just don't see him as the revenge type of guy, especially towards his brothers.
Mhmm.. Just a few of the many reasons I admire and connect with him.

Little Nick Leo I can forgive since they're actually being played up more as kids this time around.


(Really though, Leo... Raph tries to get into something just put him on his butt. ...then hug 'em and let him just sit there like a grump. Ain't gotta take crap from "younger" siblings. :goof: )

[Cure]

What did you expect? Michael "style over substance" Bay is directing

People still think this? Jesus Christ.

[SwiftNinjaFox]

People still think this? Jesus Christ.

Whose name is on every trailer?

Liebesman or Bay?

Is it any wonder people assume this is Bay's project? I still question if Bay's directing by proxy. :P

[Xiewin]

Whose name is on every trailer?

Liebesman or Bay?

Is it any wonder people assume this is Bay's project? I still question if Bay's directing by proxy. :P

Doesn't Bay have name recognition though? because I didn't even know who Jonathan Liebesman was, nor was I unaware that he director Battle: LA, Texas chainsaw or Darkness falls. I don't think many realize that there are lots of people who actually love MB movies and will probably see them just because his name is attached to it. Im pretty sure they used his name for marketing or I could be wrong.

[samxsteal]

Whose name is on every trailer?

Liebesman or Bay?

Is it any wonder people assume this is Bay's project? I still question if Bay's directing by proxy. :P

Its specifically says "from PRODUCER Micheal Bay"

people should understand thats not the director

Transformer has the same thing But Steven Spielberg
People dont call it his movie now do they

[SwiftNinjaFox]

You're dead right. People recognize his name. Nobody recognizes the director's name, or if they do, it's not in a terribly positive light (none of his films are remotely well received on Rotten Tomatoes).

Which kind of makes me ask again...did we really give TMNT to a guy who has flop after flop at the box office, or is Bay directing by proxy.

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Its specifically says "from PRODUCER Micheal Bay"

people should understand thats not the director

Transformer has the same thing But Steven Spielberg
People dont call it his movie now do they

Sam, buddy, we just....can't expect that much from the general movie going audiences of the world. ;)

You're asking people to not only read in the theater, but also retain the words and their meaning. MADNESS!!!!

And for Transformers, it was never "From Producer Steven Spielberg.....TRANSFORMERS"

It's always been "from Director Michael Bay and Producer Steven Spielberg"

So why isn't it Director Johnathan Liebesman and Producer Michael Bay?

TMNT is only one man's name. And for that, I still freely give him blame for things I don't like. You get SOLE billing, you get my SOLE blame. :P
Plus I thought Transformers 1 and 2 were utter garbage filled with juvenile humor and inappropriate humor bordering on blatant racism. Despite my dislike of the last 30ish minutes of the sequel, I'd rather have seen him make Bad Boys 3 already....dammit.

[Cure]

Whose name is on every trailer?

Liebesman or Bay?

Is it any wonder people assume this is Bay's project? I still question if Bay's directing by proxy. :P

OK? They're still wrong.

[SwiftNinjaFox]

They are, but it shouldn't surprise anyone there's misconceptions when you're practically keeping the director's name out of every piece of promotional material.

Hard to rage over people not knowing the actual director when he's never mentioned.

[graphic_content]

They are, but it shouldn't surprise anyone there's misconceptions when you're practically keeping the director's name out of every piece of promotional material.

Hard to rage over people not knowing the actual director when he's never mentioned.

its funny because the composer, Brian Tyler, tweeted the other day, and mentioned Liebsman in his post, hotlinking to his twitter acct...i jumped over to Liebsman's twitter, and he hasnt posted for like a year (or more).

I dont know why he doesnt speak about his projects, especially with something with such visibility as TMNT.

[Monstermash042]

its funny because the composer, Brian Tyler, tweeted the other day, and mentioned Liebsman in his post, hotlinking to his twitter acct...i jumped over to Liebsman's twitter, and he hasnt posted for like a year (or more).

I dont know why he doesnt speak about his projects, especially with something with such visibility as TMNT.

Some directors aren't very twitter savy. I'd rather he be focusing on finishing TMNT than posting about it.

[TigerClaw]

Some directors aren't very twitter savy. I'd rather he be focusing on finishing TMNT than posting about it.
Yeah, Same can be said about Megan Fox, She has a twitter account and she hasnt posted on it since since Jan 9 of 2013.

[chrisdude]

Ha! Yeah. Her last tweet was about how she didn't see the point of twitter.

[Warhorse]

Its specifically says "from PRODUCER Micheal Bay"

people should understand thats not the director

Transformer has the same thing But Steven Spielberg
People dont call it his movie now do they


No, but people suspect that Spielberg had a lot more to do with the movie creatively than most producers would. Like, I wouldn't be surprised if Spieblberg had something to do with Bumblebee not able to talk.

[Sighphi]

Cartoony things from this last trailer.

Leo throwing a foot soldier at a moving train... :lol:
The cartoony part is not that person doesnt blows up into a rain of body parts but that the person actually goes through the window of a moving train cleanly. :o I actually went, "Holy crap!" and had to stop and rewind. That was nuts.

Don blocking bullets with his bo, that's straight up anime.

Does Shredder have control over the blades he shoots? Cause near the end he is shown getting them back? His armor was turned into a power suit so... i guess that's a new power?

One really strange thing was that when Leo was hit by the truck..... no damage happened. What up with that? If Raph can wreck one why not Leo? Is Raph like World Breaker Hulk that is stronger than any of the other Hulks?

[Sighphi]

Apparently when they were teeny tiny turtles they could punch and crack glass....
How strong are these things?

That was just mega funny.

[Candy Kappa]

I think Don is blocking tranquilizer darts, not actual bullets, which looks more plausible. And Leo, unlike Raph's imitation of a wrecking ball, slid off the curve of the car's front. Looks hilarious the way he bounces, but better then what Raph did.

[chrisdude]

Don't forget Raph's totally over the top voice.

[Candy Kappa]

PD Raph is going to be the TMNT's version of Christian Bale Batman. :lol:

[Werecat]

I am surprised at how most of you are so disconnected by the fact that the turtles are more bestial than human. Do not judge the turtles as if they are human instead judge them as if they are beasts, which they are.

You only need to take facts from the animal kingdom to get an idea of how powerful these turtles are. Perhaps, Raphael's strength is equal to a bear's strength. Since bears are capable of tearing vehicles apart. The quick reflexes of any predator or animal can also be a good comparison for the turtle's capabilities. A lion can strike quickly and hit multiple times before a human can even react. Maybe, the turtles have cat-like reflexes, lol, to deflect projectiles with their weapons. What I am trying to say is the turtle's strength and speed is realistic if you compare and judge them as you would with an apex predator.

I would like to mention humans are actually capable of what we perceive as superhuman traits. A man is capable of smelling just as good as a detection dog. Strong people are capable of bending metal and demolishing vehicles with their strength, velocity or technique. People are also capable of amazing parkour and endurance skills. Some people are capable of deflecting arrows and controversially a bullet. Humans are not as weak as we once thought. Recent studies show that we are capable of amazing things if we put enough time and dedication into them.

Considering that the turtles in the movie are created as weapons. I think the physical possibilities are enhanced. Taking what is already possible and imagining if it was enhanced I can see the plausibility behind the turtle's strength and speed.

[A_Little_Too_Raph.9859]

I am surprised at how most of you are so disconnected by the fact that the turtles are more bestial than human. Do not judge the turtles as if they are human instead judge them as if they are beasts, which they are.

You only need to take facts from the animal kingdom to get an idea of how powerful these turtles are. Perhaps, Raphael's strength is equal to a bear's strength. Since bears are capable of tearing vehicles apart. The quick reflexes of any predator or animal can also be a good comparison for the turtle's capabilities. A lion can strike quickly and hit multiple times before a human can even react. Maybe, the turtles have cat-like reflexes, lol, to deflect projectiles with their weapons. What I am trying to say is the turtle's strength and speed is realistic if you compare and judge them as you would with an apex predator.

I would like to mention humans are actually capable of what we perceive as superhuman traits. A man is capable of smelling just as good as a detection dog. Strong people are capable of bending metal and demolishing vehicles with their strength, velocity or technique. People are also capable of amazing parkour and endurance skills. Some people are capable of deflecting arrows and controversially a bullet. Humans are not as weak as we once thought. Recent studies show that we are capable of amazing things if we put enough time and dedication into them.

Considering that the turtles in the movie are created as weapons. I think the physical possibilities are enhanced. Taking what is already possible and imagining if it was enhanced I can see the plausibility behind the turtle's strength and speed.

I find it funny how people bitch and complain that they look too human and then they turn around and bitch and complain that they are too big and are too strong...get over it people. Damn! Damned if you do and damned if you don't with some people....

[Werecat]

I find it funny how people bitch and complain that they look too human and then they turn around and bitch and complain that they are too big and are too strong...get over it people. Damn! Damned if you do and damned if you don't with some people....

Alright, what does complaining have to do with me?

[A_Little_Too_Raph.9859]

Alright, what does complaining have to do with me?

I wasn't saying you were...just people in general. People don't like the human faces and the fact that they are super strong. People are just crazy.

[Werecat]

I wasn't saying you were...just people in general. People don't like the human faces and the fact that they are super strong. People are just crazy.
Oh okay, you just had me quoted so I was like "Huh!"

[Sighphi]

I think Don is blocking tranquilizer darts, not actual bullets, which looks more plausible. And Leo, unlike Raph's imitation of a wrecking ball, slid off the curve of the car's front. Looks hilarious the way he bounces, but better then what Raph did.

They were shooting those M4s full auto and extremely close range. At that range with that firing mode nothing is going to miraculously going to slow down any significant speed... it's a total comic book scene.
And Leo actually hits the windshield and bounces of with no damage being shown. So now we have varying physics/properties in this world... MEGA comic book.

[Candy Kappa]

Yeah, it's comic booky and implausible. But in comparison to other things we've seen...

At least with Leo, it was a last resort option as he was about to be mowed down, it's similar to other stunts I've seen regarding landing on cars in speed.

To me at least, the Leo and Don scene is more digestible and acceptable in comparison to Raph's car bowling.

And by Don scene I mean the bullet deflecting, not the car flipping, that stuff is hilarious.

[IndigoErth]

Damned if you do and damned if you don't with some people....
Yeah, well, I still maintain that no one is innocent in this game. There have been many petty complaints or freak outs over the long term that did not come from only one side or the other. Humankind as usual is fast to forgive their own criticisms but not those of the opinions of others.

[Sighphi]

http://i.imgur.com/rW3HJXo.gif

So what is that staff made off?
The excuse of the hummer was the the hummer was moving so the momentum of the hummer helped it get launched or something like that.

This container is not moving and when empty a container like this weights almost twice as much as a hummer.

It was also revealed that the turtle shell are bullet resistant.

So how exactly are they captured with all this superiority?

[SwiftNinjaFox]

http://i.imgur.com/rW3HJXo.gif

So what is that staff made off?
The excuse of the hummer was the the hummer was moving so the momentum of the hummer helped it get launched or something like that.

This container is not moving and when empty a container like this weights almost twice as much as a hummer.

It was also revealed that the turtle shell are bullet resistant.

So how exactly are they captured with all this superiority?

Superhuman strength, Bruce Wayne funds level technology, massive weight yet still fast and agile, bullet proof shells.

Taken out by stun rods. ;)

[Galactus]

So how exactly are they captured with all this superiority?

The Foot are armed with convenient plot contrivance. Not even Don's super-strong magic pogo stick can stand up to that.

[TigerClaw]

http://i.imgur.com/rW3HJXo.gif

So what is that staff made off?
The excuse of the hummer was the the hummer was moving so the momentum of the hummer helped it get launched or something like that.

This container is not moving and when empty a container like this weights almost twice as much as a hummer.

It was also revealed that the turtle shell are bullet resistant.

So how exactly are they captured with all this superiority?
The Staff is spring loaded, Which explains why it was strong enough to knock a container or flip a vehicle over. the springs store so much energy.

[TurtleTitan97]

The Staff is spring loaded, Which explains why it was strong enough to knock a container or flip a vehicle over. the springs store so much energy.

That doesn't really help explaining how a spring loaded staff as small as that can launch something as heavy like a shipping container into the air like that.

[samxsteal]

That doesn't really help explaining how a spring loaded staff as small as that can launch something as heavy like a shipping container into the air like that.

How can Crickets legs or frog legs so what they do The kinetic Energy stored in them have enough force to do what they do Same likely applies to Don's Bo

[Warhorse]

That doesn't really help explaining how a spring loaded staff as small as that can launch something as heavy like a shipping container into the air like that.

It's just going to be one of those movies where you're going to have to suspend your disbelief in the air.

[Bry]

That doesn't really help explaining how a spring loaded staff as small as that can launch something as heavy like a shipping container into the air like that.

Clearly it's a magic spring. DUH. :trazz:

[TurtleTitan97]

How can Crickets legs or frog legs so what they do The kinetic Energy stored in them have enough force to do what they do Same likely applies to Don's Bo

You pretty much have an answer for everything, don't ya Sam?

There is literally no way a staff that small can have that much power. It's just not logical. Besides, it's not like crickets or frogs or whatever have to put in so much force just to hop.

It's just going to be one of those movies where you're going to have to suspend your disbelief in the air.

Yeah, I kinda already got that vibe. What with Raph smashing that Humvee like wrecking ball, bulletproof shells, etc. :trazz:

Clearly it's a magic spring. DUH. :trazz:

Probably the most logical explanation I've heard by far. :trazz:

[pennydreadful]

It's just going to be one of those movies where you're going to have to suspend your disbelief in the air.

Not only suspend it in the air, but also wave it around like you just don't care! :tlol:

[Warhorse]

Not only suspend it in the air, but also wave it around like you just don't care! :tlol:

Awe, how cute. You made a rhyme!:lol:

[Leo656]

Yet another "F*ck It, It's Just A Movie" to add to the tally. :roll:

Verisimilitude. A concept absolutely nobody working on this movie can spell, let alone define or invest in.

I hate that sh*t. I KNOW I'm watching something fake, ya goobers, you're supposed to trick me into believing your nonsense for two hours, not wink at me the whole time. BAH.

[terrorblade]

Yet another "F*ck It, It's Just A Movie" to add to the tally. :roll:

Verisimilitude. A concept absolutely nobody working on this movie can spell, let alone define or invest in.

I hate that sh*t. I KNOW I'm watching something fake, ya goobers, you're supposed to trick me into believing your nonsense for two hours, not wink at me the whole time. BAH.

If you can be tricked into believing that a movie about talking ninja turtles is believable, I have some bad news for you.

[pennydreadful]

Awe, how cute. You made a rhyme!:lol:

I got mad rhymes, yo. :P

[Leo656]

If you can be tricked into believing that a movie about talking ninja turtles is believable, I have some bad news for you.

Yeah yeah, I've heard it before. "It's all fake, it's all stupid, shut off your brain, etc." Every fantastical concept has to have over-the-top execution because it's all so unbelievable anyway.

In that case, everyone in every movie gets a jetpack and a bazooka, because there's literally no reason NOT to have one. Nothing at all matters when you can just pull the "It's All Fake" card and just Deus Ex Machina your way out of any situation.

I know I've railed against the so-called Crisler's Law BS many times in the past, but there's a subtle distinction between "Things have to be super-serious and realistic" and "It's all fake, just go balls-out ridiculous."

In the end, movies that take a ridiculous premise and present that premise believably in a real-world setting make lots of money and tend to be fondly-remembered years after the fact. "It's All Just Dumb Fun" movies tend to flame out quickly and become the kind of "How Lame Were We Back Then?" fodder for Hal Sparks and Co. on those "I Love The (Decade Here)" shows. This movie is 100% in the "Dumb Fun" camp. Just sayin'.

I like my movies a little more "Batman Begins" and a little less "Batman and Robin", myself.

[terrorblade]

Yeah yeah, I've heard it before. "It's all fake, it's all stupid, shut off your brain, etc." Every fantastical concept has to have over-the-top execution because it's all so unbelievable anyway.

In that case, everyone in every movie gets a jetpack and a bazooka, because there's literally no reason NOT to have one. Nothing at all matters when you can just pull the "It's All Fake" card and just Deus Ex Machina your way out of any situation.

I know I've railed against the so-called Crisler's Law BS many times in the past, but there's a subtle distinction between "Things have to be super-serious and realistic" and "It's all fake, just go balls-out ridiculous."

In the end, movies that take a ridiculous premise and present that premise believably in a real-world setting make lots of money and tend to be fondly-remembered years after the fact. "It's All Just Dumb Fun" movies tend to flame out quickly and become the kind of "How Lame Were We Back Then?" fodder for Hal Sparks and Co. on those "I Love The (Decade Here)" shows. This movie is 100% in the "Dumb Fun" camp. Just sayin'.




You know the turtles origin right? I bet you also know that there's no actual chemical that will turn a turtle into humanoid talking mutant. I just don't understand why people are losing their sh!t on Donnie's staff when this franchise is full of non-logical stuffs.





I like my movies a little more "Batman Begins" and a little less "Batman and Robin", myself.


Yeah, I prefer watching the better movie too. Unless I wanna waste my time watching a terrible film just to say on the internet how terrible it is.

[Candy Kappa]

You know the turtles origin right? I bet you also know that there's no actual chemical that will turn a turtle into humanoid talking mutant. I just don't understand why people are losing their sh!t on Donnie's staff when this franchise is full of non-logical stuffs.






Yeah, I prefer watching the better movie too. Unless I wanna waste my time watching a terrible film just to say on the internet how terrible it is.

But, the Ooze usually have a logical explanation, it's not just tossed into your face with no rime or reason.

[terrorblade]

But, the Ooze usually have a logical explanation, it's not just tossed into your face with no rime or reason.

I agree they should have explained that in the trailer.

[Sumac]

You know the turtles origin right? I bet you also know that there's no actual chemical that will turn a turtle into humanoid talking mutant. I just don't understand why people are losing their sh!t on Donnie's staff when this franchise is full of non-logical stuffs.
Because, there is fine line between fantastical stuff and ridiculous.
Even in unrealistic setting there should be an inner logic.

[A_Little_Too_Raph.9859]

Because, there is fine line between fantastical stuff and ridiculous.
Even in unrealistic setting there should be an inner logic.

says who? you?

[MrTMNT2012]

Because, there is fine line between fantastical stuff and ridiculous.
Even in unrealistic setting there should be an inner logic.

And no matter which way you look at it, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles will always be ridiculous. Sorry to break that for you people expecting Citizen Kane...

[A_Little_Too_Raph.9859]

And no matter which way you look at it, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles will always be ridiculous. Sorry to break that for you people expecting Citizen Kane...

I know right?

[Leo656]

The fact that so many of you think it has to be 100% one way or the other is an huge part of the problem with all movies in general these days.

[A_Little_Too_Raph.9859]

The fact that so many of you think it has to be 100% one way or the other is an huge part of the problem with all movies in general these days.

I don't think it has to be 100% my vision of the Turtles because I know that it never will be. And people who can't grasp that little concept need to grow up and wake up

[Jester]

I don't think it has to be 100% my vision of the Turtles because I know that it never will be. And people who can't grasp that little concept need to grow up and wake up
Not what he meant...it can be equal parts ridiculous and realistic...or some blending of the 2. Being 100% one way or the other is dull.

[Leo656]

I mean the thinking that a movie either has to be completely "Dark Knight" serious or "Dead Or Alive" levels of stupid/"funny". That's damaging. Studio people go into making movies already thinking that the entire audience is too stupid to understand any kind of depth, subtlety, or nuance. Must we tell them they're right, that we only want it all one way or the other?

It's like Venkman said... "I don't have two grades of laundry, okay? There's not just 'Clean' and 'Dirty'.... there are maaaaany subtle levels." Hollywood no longer seems to think so, however. That's a huge problem.

EDIT: Jester so gets me. Consistently, and thoroughly. :)

[Jester]

That's part of the reason the 90's Turtle movie works for me. It has a lot of subtly in there that make it just as good today as it was when I was 6 and didn't notice.

[MrTMNT2012]

The fact that so many of you think it has to be 100% one way or the other is an huge part of the problem with all movies in general these days.

Well, we're already seeing that with this movie. There are some serious elements but they're overshadowed by the campiness of it all which is inherently Ninja Turtles!

I agree with your point but it matters what property we're talking about. Take Batman Begins, it tried so hard to be dark and gritty that it missed out on the 'fun' that comes with a guy dressed as a bat. There's a level to how serious you can take the subject matter and to me at least, it became laughable!

[Radical Raph]

I wish they'd put the original cartoon on NetFlix.

[Sighphi]

And no matter which way you look at it, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles will always be ridiculous. Sorry to break that for you people expecting Citizen Kane...


Who is expecting Citizen Kane?
This movie was always going to have action.

I mean the thinking that a movie either has to be completely "Dark Knight" serious or "Dead Or Alive" levels of stupid/"funny". That's damaging. Studio people go into making movies already thinking that the entire audience is too stupid to understand any kind of depth, subtlety, or nuance. Must we tell them they're right, that we only want it all one way or the other?

It's like Venkman said... "I don't have two grades of laundry, okay? There's not just 'Clean' and 'Dirty'.... there are maaaaany subtle levels." Hollywood no longer seems to think so, however. That's a huge problem.

EDIT: Jester so gets me. Consistently, and thoroughly. :)

So wait... so because some people laugh at cartoon logic movie studios are confuse on how to make a movie?

We are not discussing the tone of the movie we are discussing some of the scenes where any sort of logic gets thrown out the window because stuff just happens... like in a cartoon. You can still do crazy stuff but if you presented in a certain way it can come off as ok in that world.

All the Nolan Batman movies have super fake stuff all over but people are ok with it because they explained all of the tech. And even in crazy fighting movies like the Raid where one dude can take on everyone the scenes are shot in ways that you can almost think this is possible.

Now, if the movie says the staff is Utrom tech then it's all cool. They sort of have explained the super turtles with the hero formula being a weapon but that does place the movie in the comic book side like Hulk.