Splinter's MOVIE Origins...(Lego.com)

[graphic_content]

Okay...so from the page of the script found in the TMNT: The Ultimate Visual History - we all know that this latest iteration of Splinter began as a lab rat.

As I was on LEGO.COM, TMNT section of course, I noticed that everything was very much geared towards the NICK show, only showing the movie sets as a product of the existing product line, rather than its own thing entirely.

Strangely enough, the character descriptions they gave largely fit their NICK counterparts, except for one: SPLINTER.

His description read as follows:

Originally an experimental lab rat exposed to ninja sensory training, Splinter was injected with a DNA-infused mutagen that gave him sentience, thoughts and a soul. After an unfortunate event at the lab, Splinter and four unlikely box turtles suddenly found themselves building their new home in the sewers.

http://i.imgur.com/3q0N2i1.jpg?1

- experimental lab rat
- ninja sensory training
- infused with mutagen that gave him sentience...and a soul?

...Obviously, for those of us who have seen the NICK show, we know this ISNT Splinter's origin, but perhaps somebody goofed, and posted his MOVIE origins.

***ON A SIDE NOTE: I checked everyone else's origins (Shredder, Karai, etc.) and they all seem in line with the NICK show storyline.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

Interesting find. Sounds like an interesting take on his origin.

[Shark_Blade]

Sounds like IDW origin. :)

[CyberCubed]

This had better not be true. If Splinter isn't Hamato Yoshi or related to him in any way than it's yet another screw up.

[MrTMNT2012]

This had better not be true. If Splinter isn't Hamato Yoshi or related to him in any way than it's yet another screw up.

Change = Screw-up

- CyberCubed Logic.

[Galactus]

So what's the point of having Oroku Saki in this at all if there's no connection to Yoshi.

I think this is as good as the final nail for me if it's true.

[TigerClaw]

Okay...so from the page of the script found in the TMNT: The Ultimate Visual History - we all know that this latest iteration of Splinter began as a lab rat.

As I was on LEGO.COM, TMNT section of course, I noticed that everything was very much geared towards the NICK show, only showing the movie sets as a product of the existing product line, rather than its own thing entirely.

Strangely enough, the character descriptions they gave largely fit their NICK counterparts, except for one: SPLINTER.

His description read as follows:



http://i.imgur.com/3q0N2i1.jpg?1

- experimental lab rat
- ninja sensory training
- infused with mutagen that gave him sentience...and a soul?

...Obviously, for those of us who have seen the NICK show, we know this ISNT Splinter's origin, but perhaps somebody goofed, and posted his MOVIE origins.

***ON A SIDE NOTE: I checked everyone else's origins (Shredder, Karai, etc.) and they all seem in line with the NICK show storyline.
Sounds similar to IDW, I'm ok with that. :)

[Bry]

I'm not opposed to adding some animal testing element to their origins (especially if it makes a strong critical point about that happening in real life), but this seems to completely remove the accidental mutation from their origins, which is... kind of important, IMO. Even the IDW origin had that, though it was also mixed in with some genetic engineering and reincarnation -- and even then, I feel like that over-complicates the origin and is one of the weaker updates from that run.

That whole "do not confuse the specter of your origin with your present worth" vibe is a big part of the appeal for me. If you make them "special" in-story, that makes them less actually special.

But it seems like every comic movie needs to have a "heroic destiny" or have their hero be specifically engineered/created these days instead being the result of a good old-fashioned chance encounter. Even Spider-Man's not safe. And the characters are weaker for it.

[SwiftNinjaFox]

Change = Screw-up

- CyberCubed Logic.

In this case it could be a screw up. No Hamato Yoshi link adds a lot of weirdness.

Ninja sensory training a rat sounds pretty stupid to begin with. Unless, again, the idea was to train a rat in ninjutsu, mutate him into a man-rat, and have your own "Hero" man-rat ninja. Because that's what April's father and Sachs were trying to do....create heroes.

O_o

I'm not opposed to adding some animal testing element to their origins (especially if it makes a strong critical point about that happening in real life), but this seems to completely remove the accidental mutation from their origins, which is... kind of important, IMO. That whole "do not confuse the specter of your origin with your present worth, my sons" vibe is a big part of the appeal for me. If you make them "special" in-story, that makes them less actually special.

But it seems like every comic movie needs to have a "heroic destiny" or have their hero be specifically engineered/created these days instead being the result of a good old-fashioned chance encounter. Even Spider-Man's not safe. And the characters are weaker for it.


Oh I'll bet you anything it's heroic destiny and not an accident. Far from it, this was all meant to happen.

Remember, the old script they were the pre-destined chosen warriors fated to save the world from birth. And like you said, Hollywood doesn't do coincidences anymore.

Whatever happened to "just the wrong guy in the wrong place at the wrong time?"

Like you said, they pre-destined Peter to become Spider-Man, his DNA being the only one that could be Spider-Man, blah blah blah. If Peter's not safe, I doubt the turtles are.


That said, it could just be a poorly written description of what actually happens. Reading between the lines and this could indeed be the IDW reincarnation origin...just poorly summarized.

[Bry]

In this case it could be a screw up. No Hamato Yoshi link adds a lot of weirdness.

Ninja sensory training a rat sounds pretty stupid to begin with. Unless, again, the idea was to train a rat in ninjutsu, mutate him into a man-rat, and have your own "Hero" man-rat ninja. Because that's what April's father and Sachs were trying to do....create heroes.

O_o

Mimicking his master's movements from his cage is starting to sound downright plausible by comparison, isn't it? :tlol:


Oh I'll bet you anything it's heroic destiny and not an accident. Far from it, this was all meant to happen.

Remember, the old script they were the pre-destined chosen warriors fated to save the world from birth. And like you said, Hollywood doesn't do coincidences anymore.

Whatever happened to "just the wrong guy in the wrong place at the wrong time?"

Like you said, they pre-destined Peter to become Spider-Man, his DNA being the only one that could be Spider-Man, blah blah blah. If Peter's not safe, I doubt the turtles are.

While I'm sick of that particular trend as a whole, the Turtles in particular are the ultimate "accidents" and just don't fit with that kind of narrative. Which I think gives their story even more power - they're not even supposed to exist! They weren't created on purpose, they have no all-powerful force guiding them, they don't have a place in the world. Yet here they are. And they choose to do good. It's very meaningful in a way that "created to be heroes" can never be.


That said, it could just be a poorly written description of what actually happens. Reading between the lines and this could indeed be the IDW reincarnation origin...just poorly summarized.

Which would be... better. But still not good, IMO. It just over-complicates an origin that doesn't need it.

[unlundun]

"and a soul"

nice bit of 19th century pseudo religious bullsh1t.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Change = Screw-up

- CyberCubed Logic.

No, he's right. If Splinter really has nothing to do with Hamato Yoshi, what's the point? Why should Saki care about Splinter?

[Gimme_Three]

No, he's right. If Splinter really has nothing to do with Hamato Yoshi, what's the point? Why should Saki care about Splinter?

Gee no one knows. I guess we're going to have to watch the movie to find out. :o

[Pondslider]

This had better not be true. If Splinter isn't Hamato Yoshi or related to him in any way than it's yet another screw up.

Obviously Hamato Yoshi is going to be a scientist in the lab and he mixes his own DNA with the mutagen he injects into Splinter. And also the mutagen/DNA gives Splinter Ninja powers.

[The Stryker]

Or they're cherrypicking stuff from IDW and whatnot. I don't really get what's so ridiculous about sensory ninja training. The alternative origin for Rat Splinter is a normal rat learning how to fight by watching a guy do it for awhile. They're both dumb as hell.

But yeah. Let's freak out instead.

[Bry]

Gee no one knows. I guess we're going to have to watch the movie to find out. :o

Or check Wikipedia once the movie's released! :trazz:

[SwiftNinjaFox]

Or they're cherrypicking stuff from IDW and whatnot. I don't really get what's so ridiculous about sensory ninja training. The alternative origin for Rat Splinter is a normal rat learning how to fight by watching a guy do it for awhile. They're both dumb as hell.

But yeah. Let's freak out instead.

A rat learning by watching a guy do it is just goofy as hell, yes.

Ninja sensory training adds a hell of a lot of additional complications to reach the same goofy conclusion.

Then again, how many utterly STUPID scientific studies do we spend millions of dollars on? I suppose, sadly, spending millions to research ninja sensory training and testing it on a rat actually....makes....more realistic sense.

Dammit, I'm less irritated by the movie and more irritated with real life stupidity now.

[MrTMNT2012]

Or check Wikipedia once the movie's released! :trazz:

Because that's what a true Ninja Turtles fan does...:roll:

[sethmartin]

There is no proof that the shadow figure in the trailer is oroku saki. When Eric Sachs says "We're taking your armor to the next level" it doesn't necessarily mean he's talking to the Shredder. I think it's Mr Chang who is probably an alien or some kind of disfigured business man who is trying to make armor for soldiers. Eric Sachs helps him make the armor stronger and falls in love with it and becomes Shredder. Eric Sachs = Oroku Saki. Mr. Chang= Krang. Now I hope this isn't the case but I still think they scrapped the Oroku Saki and Hamato Yoshi characters and Americanized the whole thing.

It makes sense though. They are trying to create ninja warriors to take over the world so they experiment on a lab rat and the rat escapes and becomes Splinter

[SwiftNinjaFox]

Because that's what a true Ninja Turtles fan does...:roll:

It could be if they don't like the look of the film, didn't like the reviews, didn't like their trusted friends' opinions, and chose to pass on this version of the turtles.

Or they plan to see it on Netflix, etc because they're broke but don't care about spoilers!

Am I a fake Ninja Turtles fan because I couldn't get through the first episode of Next Mutation? :(

There is no proof that the shadow figure in the trailer is oroku saki. When Eric Sachs says "We're taking your armor to the next level" it doesn't necessarily mean he's talking to the Shredder. I think it's Mr Chang who is probably an alien or some kind of disfigured business man who is trying to make armor for soldiers. Eric Sachs helps him make the armor stronger and falls in love with it and becomes Shredder. Eric Sachs = Oroku Saki. Mr. Chang= Krang. Now I hope this isn't the case but I still think they scrapped the Oroku Saki and Hamato Yoshi characters and Americanized the whole thing.

That's possible too.

[Xiewin]

This is making my head hurt....

[NinjaPug]

So there is no Hamato Yoshi in this universe? Another ding against this movie.

Just lends more credence to the shadowy figure/Saki being nothing more than a throw in to try and appease fans. Saki being in this film won't make any sense with the butchered origin story in place.

[TigerClaw]

What if the DNA that Splinter was infused with, Was of someone name Hamato Yoshi?

Think about it, It could be anyone's DNA, So what if they happen upon some DNA of a man name Hamato Yoshi?

[Bry]

It could be if they don't like the look of the film, didn't like the reviews, didn't like their trusted friends' opinions, and chose to pass on this version of the turtles.

Or they plan to see it on Netflix, etc because they're broke but don't care about spoilers!

Am I a fake Ninja Turtles fan because I couldn't get through the first episode of Next Mutation? :(

Oh awesome, are we doing the "true fan" thing again? (I only caught that reply because your quote got it past my ignore list.)

Let's raise the "true fan" level, though, why don't we? Here's what I propose: The new definition of a "true fan" is anyone who signs over every single one of their paycheques to the Viacom corporation and also drives to Michael Bay's house every Saturday morning to thoroughly wash each of his cars with silk cloths and an extra-soft-bristle toothbrush as a "thank you" for producing a TMNT movie, whether or not they personally enjoy it. Everyone who doesn't meet that criteria is banned from pulling the "true fan" card. Shall we take it to a vote? :trazz:

What if the DNA that Splinter was infused with, Was of someone name Hamato Yoshi?

Think about it, It could be anyone's DNA, So what if they happen upon some DNA of a man name Hamato Yoshi?

I'd be surprisingly fine with this if Eric Sachs actually just happens upon a vial labelled "Hamato Yoshi's DNA", shrugs, and injects it into a lab rat. :tlol:

[SwiftNinjaFox]

I'm still assuming the mention of receiving a soul suggests Yoshi's reincarnation angle from IDW.

[TurtleTitan97]

Because that's what a true Ninja Turtles fan does...:roll:

You can't be serious...:trolleye:

If being a 'true Ninja Turtles fan' means supporting some movie that doesn't look that great to some people, then count me out. I guess that means I've been wasting time watching the cartoons, movies, playing the games, and reading the comics.:trolleye:

[Y2Bogus]

A rat learning by watching a guy do it is just goofy as hell, yes.


And that's why I'm a fan of the Splinter = Hamato Yoshi origin. It's not AS goofy as the others.

[Slap-Happy]

I think it's Mr Chang who is probably an alien or some kind of disfigured business man who is trying to make armor for soldiers. Eric Sachs helps him make the armor stronger and falls in love with it and becomes Shredder.

This doesn't fit with what we've seen. There are images of Sachs with the ancient Shredder armor behind him. Hell, some of that is in the trailer.

Unless Mr. Chang is making ancient Japanese armor for soldiers.

[chrisdude]

Man, who is Chang? Did we just make that up? I'm surprised we didn't all just agree that the guy from the trailer is Saki. I mean, he looks like he's wearing a gi, his face is all messed up. What else do you want? For months, people have been cooking up the craziest ideas for how Saki could fit in, and now we're all skeptical?
http://i.imgur.com/BHLVABx.jpg

As for the Splinter origin, if that's what it is...
Originally an experimental lab rat exposed to ninja sensory training, Splinter was injected with a DNA-infused mutagen that gave him sentience, thoughts and a soul. After an unfortunate event at the lab, Splinter and four unlikely box turtles suddenly found themselves building their new home in the sewers.It says the injection game Splinter "sentience, thoughts and a soul." It doesn't say anything about physical mutation, or the turtles. Then it says, "after an unfortunate event at the lab..." So, it sounds to me like creating giant animal people was not the plan, and the "unfortunate event" is an accident.

Splinter can be given "sentience, thoughts and a soul," by injection, making him like the Splinter of the 1990 movie - capable of learning ninjutsu, and caring for baby turtles - before being mutated. Then, the "unfortunate event" can mutate the five of them, and Splinter raises the turtles like a person would raise children.

Makes sense to me, and it doesn't ruin the origin.

[Candy Kappa]

Ninja sensory training isn't far off, as I'm sure "Ninja" is being treated as it's always been treated in American pop-culture, especially in movies. And, rats are quick to learn, very smart creatures. I guess "thoughts and a soul" is just simplified kids talk to tell splinter got more like a human, as it sounds kinda douchey implying that animals don't have a soul. If you are going to incorporate the concept of souls, it really should be something all living creature encompass, like in the IDW comic.

And the Turtles are now Box Turtles in this movie apparently... Okay. I'd prefer Sliders, but. As Box Turtles, although having a lot of characteristics of tortoises (land dwelling and domed shells ect) are still turtles. But, I think tortoises and Box Turtles makes bad bipedal Chelonians due to the domed shell... Alas, nit picking I suppose.

It's going to be interesting to see what the conflict between Splinter and the Turtles are against Shredder and the Foot Clan. I do hope it's something more deeper then just the Foot being the baddies and the Turtles are just the Vigilantes that happens to stop their shenanigans.

[IndigoErth]

exposed to ninja sensory training
Wut? lol

Sounds like either a) we're trying to hard too sound professional when what we mean is we made a rat watch people train or b) we actually put electrodes in his brain to zap him into ninja poses/moves. o.O

Hope the Turtles keep away from water... I think box turtles drown. And being humanoid prob wouldn't help against the weight of that shell.

[samxsteal]

Seriously People

It's clearly taken from IDW, hes a lab rat(Reincarnation, Yoshi's pet turn lab rat, ect ect) , And will obviously have a connection to Oroku Saki, Why would they add his whole back story into a tiny little Bio on a lego site,

People seriously "have" to find every little thing to pick apart, seriously

And people only think Chang is Krang because of a IMDB listing Which is kind reaching IMO,

And why make Chang aka Krang look exactly like Nick shredder? that makes no sense.

[RedRocBoy]

Seriously People

It's clearly taken from IDW, hes a lab rat(Reincarnation, Yoshi's pet turn lab rat, ect ect) , And will obviously have a connection to Oroku Saki, Why would they add his whole back story into a tiny little Bio on a lego site,

People seriously "have" to find every little thing to pick apart, seriously

And people only think Chang is Krang because of a IMDB listing Which is kind reaching IMO,

And why make Chang aka Krang look exactly like Nick shredder? that makes no sense.

Again It's the internet. These fools don't have to make sense. It's really sad. Movie isn't out yet guys. Let's wait to actually see what the story is before you pick it apart.

[Andrew NDB]

I dunno... I think he's still Mac "Splinter" O'Neil.

[samxsteal]

Again It's the internet. These fools don't have to make sense. It's really sad. Movie isn't out yet guys. Let's wait to actually see what the story is before you pick it apart.

nope that to much to ask for. lol. I think its cool i wish they would have put there own movie section on the lego site

[SwiftNinjaFox]

I just started getting too excited that things looked better and realized the more excited I get the more chance for me to be devastated by a disaster of a movie like I was with Transformers.

Then I started getting nervous that I might be giving too much credit where credit is due.

But in this case, I think Sam's on point. It does sound like the IDW origin. The experiments on Splinter giving him sentience, leading to his realization he was Homato Yoshi in a past life (or believing he is, you can argue that all you like and side with Donatello's skepticism ;) ), etc. and then the mutagen is an accident.

Of course, then we have to figure out how Saki is still around if that was feudal Japan. I doubt they'll do the whole hibernation angle with Kitsune. That's just too much mysticism for them to get into, I think. But we have the feudal Japanese armor (unless it's passed down through the Foot Clan) and that scroll with turtles and utroms in ancient Japan....

Still up in the air what Sachs was doing with the creating heroes line. Also still unclear why they've said Sachs is Shredder, Sachs is Americanized Saki, Sachs is the main villain only to "lol wut, nah guys, Oroku Saki's armor." That part is still confusing.

Unless they were just straight up trolling the fans for the lulz.

[RedRocBoy]

nope that to much to ask for. lol. I think its cool i wish they would have put there own movie section on the lego site

Yeah that would've been dope. :tcool::tcool::tcool:

[CyberCubed]

Now I know what people mean when they said they're "destroying my childhood."

I never used that phrase myself until this movie existed.

[Xiewin]

Now I know what people mean when they said they're "destroying my childhood."

I never used that phrase myself until this movie existed.

Please dont start with that "destroying my childhood" mess, Its annoying.

[Bry]

Again It's the internet. These fools don't have to make sense.

Y'know what my favourite part of these threads is? How incredibly polite and civil everyone is, on either side of the fence, and how nobody throws around insults and disrespectful comments over something as trivial as movie speculation.

:trolleye:

[Fjaj]

Now I know what people mean when they said they're "destroying my childhood."

I never used that phrase myself until this movie existed.

Your childhood cannot be destroyed if it's already over. It's in the past and cannot change.

[RedRocBoy]

Your childhood cannot be destroyed if it's already over. It's in the past and cannot change.

HOLY CRAP!!!! SOMEONE WITH COMMON SENSE!!!!! :o:o:o:o:teek::teek::teek:

[samxsteal]

Your childhood cannot be destroyed if it's already over. It's in the past and cannot change.

HOLY CRAP!!!! SOMEONE WITH COMMON SENSE!!!!! :o:o:o:o:teek::teek::teek:

Wait what I do grow up GAAAAAAAAHHHHH MY WHOLE LIFE IS A LIE

I am a Child trapped in a 26 year old body though

[TigerClaw]

Wait what I do grow up GAAAAAAAAHHHHH MY WHOLE LIFE IS A LIE

I am a Child trapped in a 26 year old body though
Hah, I'm a child trapped in a 41 year old body.

[RedRocBoy]

Hah, I'm a child trapped in a 41 year old body.

LOL!!!!! :tlol::tlol::tlol::tlol:

[Werecat]

Hope the Turtles keep away from water... I think box turtles drown. And being humanoid prob wouldn't help against the weight of that shell. Shhh, don't let the 2 ton sea turtle or the 200 ton blue whale hear that or else they will sink!




Let's raise the "true fan" level, though, why don't we? Here's what I propose: The new definition of a "true fan" is anyone who signs over every single one of their paycheques to the Viacom corporation and also drives to Michael Bay's house every Saturday morning to thoroughly wash each of his cars with silk cloths and an extra-soft-bristle toothbrush as a "thank you" for producing a TMNT movie, whether or not they personally enjoy it. Everyone who doesn't meet that criteria is banned from pulling the "true fan" card. Shall we take it to a vote?
Oh no, I better start heading to Michael Bay's house to keep my TMNT true fan card!

[IndigoErth]

Shhh, don't let the 2 ton sea turtle or the 200 ton blue whale hear that or else they will sink!
Phht... they're made for water, box turtles and humans aren't, it's stacked against them. :P

[Candy Kappa]

Shhh, don't let the 2 ton sea turtle or the 200 ton blue whale hear that or else they will sink!

Well. Box Turtles, despite being turtles are completely land dwelling like tortoises, hence why Box Turtles have domed shells like tortoises. So they don't swim.

Then again, having a humanoid body changes things. :tlol:

[pennydreadful]

Let's raise the "true fan" level, though, why don't we? Here's what I propose: The new definition of a "true fan" is anyone who signs over every single one of their paycheques to the Viacom corporation and also drives to Michael Bay's house every Saturday morning to thoroughly wash each of his cars with silk cloths and an extra-soft-bristle toothbrush as a "thank you" for producing a TMNT movie, whether or not they personally enjoy it. Everyone who doesn't meet that criteria is banned from pulling the "true fan" card. Shall we take it to a vote? :trazz:

Hey man, you've got my vote. :lol:

Ninja sensory training isn't far off, as I'm sure "Ninja" is being treated as it's always been treated in American pop-culture, especially in movies. And, rats are quick to learn, very smart creatures. I guess "thoughts and a soul" is just simplified kids talk to tell splinter got more like a human, as it sounds kinda douchey implying that animals don't have a soul. If you are going to incorporate the concept of souls, it really should be something all living creature encompass, like in the IDW comic.

Yeah, I don't really like the implication that animals don't have a soul either, but I'm going to chalk it up to a bad translation.

Personally, I could definitely do without the heroic destiny thing, but that's probably where this is headed. Maybe they'll handle it well, in which case I won't have anything to complain about. :P I'm just a bit tired of seeing it in every single superhero movie these days. :ohwell:

[Pondslider]

Hey man, you've got my vote. :lol:



Yeah, I don't really like the implication that animals don't have a soul either, but I'm going to chalk it up to a bad translation.

Personally, I could definitely do without the heroic destiny thing, but that's probably where this is headed. Maybe they'll handle it well, in which case I won't have anything to complain about. :P I'm just a bit tired of seeing it in every single superhero movie these days. :ohwell:

Everything will become clear once Splinter passes the Matrix of Leadership on to April just like her dad would have wanted.

[Bob]

Your childhood cannot be destroyed if it's already over. It's in the past and cannot change.

Is it? If you've been reading his posts pertaining to the movie over the last two years you'd know that he's quite clearly still in his childhood. As an adult.

[Machias Banshee]

Lets all take a deep calming breath, people... And none of this 'true fan' nonsense. I made myself Very clear on that. We are All fans, whether if we like some aspect of the movie or not.

[Tora]

I wrote this on a different forum last year before we found out about the change in the script that Col. Schradar would be dropped.


I'm gonna take a shot in the dark guess and say that this is how Shredder/Schradar, Stockman and Splinter will be portrayed and how they are all connected....



20 years ago we meet two scientists (Baxter & Yoshi) who are working on a special bio mutagen that was given to them by a military intelligence group to examine and understand. After some time Yoshi has begun trying it out on his pet/lab rat (Splinter) and for the past few years has been slowly mutating him to where he can speak and and do certain tasks. Yoshi and Splinter have a great bond and Yoshi takes Splinter home every night to teach him about being human. Splinter likes to watch old martial arts movies with Yoshi often so often that he has begun to learn ninja esque skills and is a big fan of Bruce Lee...

After some time Baxter tells Yoshi that he should tell the powers that be that the mutagen works! Stockman then says that they should show Colonel Schradar his progress with Splinter. Yoshi tells Baxter that he still wants more time to teach Splinter and that he feels that the Ooze is dangerous and if mishandled could be turned into a bio weapon. Baxter decides to go behind Yoshi's back and calls Schradar to come and see Splinter. The Col. later arrives at the lab unannounced and sees that not only does Splinter talk but that he has grown 8 times his normal size!

Yoshi tells the Col. that the Ooze is still in it's testing stage and that he feels that it is too dangerous to take from the lab and should be destroyed. The col. tells Yoshi that Baxter will be fully taking over the project and that his services are no longer needed. Yoshi asks that he take Splinter home with with him and the Col. tells Yoshi that his Rat is Government property and that his pet will be kept for testing and will later be dissected. In that moment Yoshi runs over to Splinter and tells him to grab the Ozze and run for it! A fight with Yoshi & the Col. ensue and the Col. kills Yoshi for letting Splinter escape from the lab with the Ooze.

Splinter flees to the sewer saddened that his master is dead. Not long after living down in the sewers he accidentally spills the Ooze on some baby Turtles that he found while down there....




That is how I could see it go down with the white Shredder and the Ooze that comes into play.

[A_Little_Too_Raph.9859]

Your childhood cannot be destroyed if it's already over. It's in the past and cannot change.


You know, unless you can like...time travel

[null]

The DNA injected will be Yoshi's and I'm willing to bet that Sachs has injected himself with Saki's DNA, hence is obsession with ancient Japan.

This will be similar to the IDW stuff where all this stuff from the past is coming back through the DNA and 're-incarnation'

[Lou 500]

Ah, so they're box turtles (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1f/Three-toed_Box_Turtle.jpg) in this iteration...

Interestingly, this species has three toes. They've always had three fingers, so I wonder if they originally were meant to be based on box turtles and not red-ears as believed. I suppose it's a little over-analytical though since Eastman and Laird probably weren't too concerned about the exact species at the time of their conception.

[Candy Kappa]

Ah, so they're box turtles (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1f/Three-toed_Box_Turtle.jpg) in this iteration...

Interestingly, this species has three toes. They've always had three fingers, so I wonder if they originally were meant to be based on box turtles and not red-ears as believed. I suppose it's a little over-analytical though since Eastman and Laird probably weren't too concerned about the exact species at the time of their conception.

Yeah, the Three-Toed Box Turtle have three toes on their hind legs.

Fun thing about the early Turtle design, according to the How to Draw a Ninja Turtle book by Solson, which contains step by step on how to draw a Ninja Turtle, pin-ups and various information and art by E&L. Informs about the feet, that the turtles' elongated heel is actually a third toe (akin to Nightcrawler), but it must be something that got dropped (like retractable claws from concept art) since that's the only place where I've seen it been refers as a toe. And few places outside of early Mirage and Lawson's art exaggerate the turtles' heel.

http://i0.wp.com/www.retroist.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/How-To-Draw-Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Turtles.jpg?resize=352%2C529

[TurtleTitan97]

Yeah, the Three-Toed Box Turtle have three toes on their hind legs.

Fun thing about the early Turtle design, according to the How to Draw a Ninja Turtle book, which contains step by step on how to draw a Ninja Turtle, pin-ups and various information and art by E&L. Informs about the feet, that the turtles' elongated heel is actually a third toe (akin to Nightcrawler), but it must be something that got dropped (like retractable claws from concept art) since that's the only place where I've seen it been refers as a toe. And few places outside of early Mirage and Lawson's art exaggerate the turtles' heel.

Hmm, interesting. Y'know, I'd like to see that idea incorporated in the future, whether by comic, or another cartoon series.

[Candy Kappa]

I think it's a really cool concept as well, as the heel-toe can function as a proto thumb of sorts giving the turtle extra gripping power with their feet.

[slingtheory]

If this is accurate it sounds to me like the human dna in the mutagen will probably come from hamato yoshi and will likey be done to complement the ninja sensory experiments already being done on splinter. I'm guessing that the plan was to inject him with the dna of a ninjitsu master and in effect download him with that masters abilitys. he'll essentially become yoshi or at least gain his memories and fighting skills. Hope I'm wrong though because that seems like a big cop out.

[Leo656]

"Injected with a soul..." :lol:

I guess Peter David ghost-wrote a draft of the script, huh? :lol:

[Werecat]

Yeah, the Three-Toed Box Turtle have three toes on their hind legs.

Fun thing about the early Turtle design, according to the How to Draw a Ninja Turtle book by Solson, which contains step by step on how to draw a Ninja Turtle, pin-ups and various information and art by E&L. Informs about the feet, that the turtles' elongated heel is actually a third toe (akin to Nightcrawler), but it must be something that got dropped (like retractable claws from concept art) since that's the only place where I've seen it been refers as a toe. And few places outside of early Mirage and Lawson's art exaggerate the turtles' heel.

http://i0.wp.com/www.retroist.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/How-To-Draw-Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Turtles.jpg?resize=352%2C529

Retractable claws? Like cats. Actually sounds purdy cool

[Foombamaroom]

Guys... stop flipping out for Christ's sake. This is only a partial origin story and everyone's saying "NO HAMATO YOSHI!" We DON'T KNOW. You idiots need to calm the f*ck down and wait until the movie's released. Yes, the ninja sensory training is a bit stupid, but it's not as stupid as the rat copying moves. Maybe Splinter is a reincarnation of Hamato Yoshi like IDW? Why don't you all just calm the hell down and WAIT like the rest of us and look to the positive sides of the movie.

[Foombamaroom]

Personally, I could definitely do without the heroic destiny thing, but that's probably where this is headed. Maybe they'll handle it well, in which case I won't have anything to complain about. :P I'm just a bit tired of seeing it in every single superhero movie these days. :ohwell:
I think they're just making it so children could understand. I mean, the plot of the movie looks like they need to stop Shredder, which kind of is their mission in all forms of TMNT.

Everything will become clear once Splinter passes the Matrix of Leadership on to April just like her dad would have wanted.
I laughed for a hard 4 minutes and started laughing again when I pictured Shredder going up to the Turtles like "WHERE'S THE ALL SPARK!?"
I wrote this on a different forum last year before we found out about the change in the script that Col. Schradar would be dropped.


I'm gonna take a shot in the dark guess and say that this is how Shredder/Schradar, Stockman and Splinter will be portrayed and how they are all connected....



20 years ago we meet two scientists (Baxter & Yoshi) who are working on a special bio mutagen that was given to them by a military intelligence group to examine and understand. After some time Yoshi has begun trying it out on his pet/lab rat (Splinter) and for the past few years has been slowly mutating him to where he can speak and and do certain tasks. Yoshi and Splinter have a great bond and Yoshi takes Splinter home every night to teach him about being human. Splinter likes to watch old martial arts movies with Yoshi often so often that he has begun to learn ninja esque skills and is a big fan of Bruce Lee...

After some time Baxter tells Yoshi that he should tell the powers that be that the mutagen works! Stockman then says that they should show Colonel Schradar his progress with Splinter. Yoshi tells Baxter that he still wants more time to teach Splinter and that he feels that the Ooze is dangerous and if mishandled could be turned into a bio weapon. Baxter decides to go behind Yoshi's back and calls Schradar to come and see Splinter. The Col. later arrives at the lab unannounced and sees that not only does Splinter talk but that he has grown 8 times his normal size!

Yoshi tells the Col. that the Ooze is still in it's testing stage and that he feels that it is too dangerous to take from the lab and should be destroyed. The col. tells Yoshi that Baxter will be fully taking over the project and that his services are no longer needed. Yoshi asks that he take Splinter home with with him and the Col. tells Yoshi that his Rat is Government property and that his pet will be kept for testing and will later be dissected. In that moment Yoshi runs over to Splinter and tells him to grab the Ozze and run for it! A fight with Yoshi & the Col. ensue and the Col. kills Yoshi for letting Splinter escape from the lab with the Ooze.

Splinter flees to the sewer saddened that his master is dead. Not long after living down in the sewers he accidentally spills the Ooze on some baby Turtles that he found while down there....




That is how I could see it go down with the white Shredder and the Ooze that comes into play.
I agree with the Yoshi and Baxter part. I think a lot of people are forgetting that in the real world, someone probably may be a master of a ninjitsu but might also have a second job. Yoshi probably is a scientist or at least a consultant for the sensory training. I do not, however, agree with the Col. Shrader part as they are calling him Shredder. I'm putting my money on that Eric Sachs is Oroku Saki's protege.

[slingtheory]

Guys... stop flipping out for Christ's sake. This is only a partial origin story and everyone's saying "NO HAMATO YOSHI!" We DON'T KNOW. You idiots need to calm the f*ck down and wait until the movie's released. Yes, the ninja sensory training is a bit stupid, but it's not as stupid as the rat copying moves. Maybe Splinter is a reincarnation of Hamato Yoshi like IDW? Why don't you all just calm the hell down and WAIT like the rest of us and look to the positive sides of the movie.

My god I am so seriously tired of people calling other people idiots because they have a different viewpoint. It doesn't matter how good your point is if you have to insult others to make it. And for the record I do think the ninja sensory training angle is just a little bit sillier than a rat copying moves but that's just me

[Foombamaroom]

My god I am so seriously tired of people calling other people idiots because they have a different viewpoint. It doesn't matter how good your point is if you have to insult others to make it. And for the record I do think the ninja sensory training angle is just a little bit sillier than a rat copying moves but that's just me

That's your opinion and there's nothing wrong with that. It's just a bit frustrating when you see a partial origin and people are already flipping out when they don't know the whole thing. Rather than being happy that there IS a new Ninja Turtles movie coming out, people are complaining about things. Yes, I personally have some complaints about the movie, but people need to look for the positives of the movie. And the people I'm calling idiots are those who rant and rave and pull facts out of their asses such as "There is no Hamato Yoshi in this movie." There damn well may not be Hamato Yoshi, but they haven't even SEEN the movie. So, yes, I do refer to them as idiots, but not to make my point.

[Galactus]

"Injected with a soul..." :lol:

I guess Peter David ghost-wrote a draft of the script, huh? :lol:

I wish. He's decent and can churn out some really great stuff occasionally.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

My guess? Hamato Yoshi was a legendary ninja from that ancient battle we saw in the tapestry Sachs was showing april. When they were experimenting with splinter to make thier mutant super-solider, they infused DNA and memories from Hamato Yoshi's exhumed remains, and backed it up with 'ninja conditioning' in the hopes of bringing Yoshi's ninja skills and reflexes to the surface in thier test subject. The problem is that Splinter also absorbed Yoshi's 'noble' personality along with his memories, something Saki and his lackey Sachs hadn't counted on.

[chrisdude]

Maybe Yoshi is just dead already, like he was in the first movie. :ohwell:

[Candy Kappa]

If Splinter gets imprinted Ninjas fighting abilities, and stopping the Foot is just the Turtles job, is really Yoshi necessary. There's no deeper conflict ike previous versions, but no need for him.

[slingtheory]

That's your opinion and there's nothing wrong with that. It's just a bit frustrating when you see a partial origin and people are already flipping out when they don't know the whole thing. Rather than being happy that there IS a new Ninja Turtles movie coming out, people are complaining about things. Yes, I personally have some complaints about the movie, but people need to look for the positives of the movie. And the people I'm calling idiots are those who rant and rave and pull facts out of their asses such as "There is no Hamato Yoshi in this movie." There damn well may not be Hamato Yoshi, but they haven't even SEEN the movie. So, yes, I do refer to them as idiots, but not to make my point. absolutley they havent seen it but the majority arevoicing their opinions of how things look based on the info that we have. Which in my opinion in no way makes them idiots. This is speculation and people voicing their concerns based on that and nothing else. Could we be wrong? Yep. could we be spot on? There's a chance of that too. No one will know until the movie comes out. And can someone please explain to me this line of thinking that we should just be happy the hollywood gods have decided to gift us with a new movie. Of couse there's going to be complaints if you don't see many positives to focus on and really I'm not seeing to many

[Bry]

My god I am so seriously tired of people calling other people idiots because they have a different viewpoint. It doesn't matter how good your point is if you have to insult others to make it. And for the record I do think the ninja sensory training angle is just a little bit sillier than a rat copying moves but that's just me

Exactly. If someone can't make their point without insulting or talking down to people, then they really need to think about how they communicate. Because it's actually very easy to disagree or have a debate without being insulting and hostile. People have differing opinions and the right to express them, and we've all gotta accept that.

So, yes, I do refer to them as idiots, but not to make my point.

And what exactly does that add to the conversation? All it does is make people feel insulted and add needless hostility to the conversation.

Even if you disagree with them or don't understand their perspective, don't call people idiots. There is no good reason to be so rude or insulting over a freaking movie.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

And can someone please explain to me this line of thinking that we should just be happy the hollywood gods have decided to gift us with a new movie. Of couse there's going to be complaints if you don't see many positives to focus on and really I'm not seeing to many

i would like the answer to this too...why should we have to like it just because its made

[Artist]

This has IDW all over it. Had posted this on another thread.

Hello Technodrome,
Baxter Stockman runs the place, and gets a call from General Krang in Burnow Island. He is waging a war and is getting impatient for the test results he ordered. Baxter says there are delays but they are making great progress with the Terrapin/Human Exo-Armor Synthesis and Rodentia Psychotropic serum tests. Krang demands all of this, as well as the super soldier mutagen Baxter promised, since the General was giving Baxter the funding for all of this. Baxter promises all will be delivered soon and wait will be worth it… as a worried little rat looks on.

Three months later, Chet comments on how fold April is of the turtles. She asks why they call the rat Splinter. Another intern, Lindsey tells her they test him with Psychotropic serum, with splits, or splinters his animal nature in two, separating a capacity for human-like cognition, from his basic animal instincts. April asks what something like this has to do with bio-engineering meat, and Chet quickly draws her attention back to the turtles. April already named them, Leonardo, Donatello, Michelangelo and Raphael, inspired from a ‘history of renaissance art’ course she’s taking that semester.

Fifteen months ago. At Stockgen labs, Baxter Stockman gets a damage assessment from Chet regarding the ninja break-in. Though the terrapin exo-suit armor samples remain, the psychotropic serum was lost with Splinter and the traces of super soldier mutagen recovered from the alley have been tainted beyond use. Baxter is infuriated, as the ninja belonged to a rival of General Krang, who provided him with his secret mutagen at great risk; Krang won't like this news one bit. Chet suggests that if they can find Splinter, they can regain both the psychotropic drug and the mutagen from his blood. Baxter laughs at the idea of tracking down a single rat in New York City, but a slimy, furry, one-eyed individual comes crawling into the lab, assuring them he can do it: Old Hob.

Terrapin/Human Exo-Armor = The Shredder Armor we have been seeing.
Psychotropic serum, with splits, or splinters = Splinter being a lab rat in The Ultimate Visual History book script
super soldier mutagen Baxter promised = " Heros are not born they are created"
April asks what something like this has to do with bio-engineering meat = Aprils dad will replace April as a Stock Gen employ.
Chet suggests that if they can find Splinter, they can regain both the psychotropic drug and the mutagen from his blood = The Foot capturing the turtles as seen in set photos. Also the turtle layer break in. Maybe to capture splinter? Or the turtles for the psychotropic drug and the mutagen from their blood.
Links to my thoughts on what we could be seeing: http://tmntentity.blogspot.com/2011/11/tmnt-idw-4.html
http://markandpaigerodriguez.blogspo...-constant.html

People might not like the new comic origins, but it is not just some made up hollywood story. This is Kevin's fingerprints for sure.

[DioLeo451]

This has IDW all over it. Had posted this on another thread.

Hello Technodrome,
Baxter Stockman runs the place, and gets a call from General Krang in Burnow Island. He is waging a war and is getting impatient for the test results he ordered. Baxter says there are delays but they are making great progress with the Terrapin/Human Exo-Armor Synthesis and Rodentia Psychotropic serum tests. Krang demands all of this, as well as the super soldier mutagen Baxter promised, since the General was giving Baxter the funding for all of this. Baxter promises all will be delivered soon and wait will be worth it… as a worried little rat looks on.

Three months later, Chet comments on how fold April is of the turtles. She asks why they call the rat Splinter. Another intern, Lindsey tells her they test him with Psychotropic serum, with splits, or splinters his animal nature in two, separating a capacity for human-like cognition, from his basic animal instincts. April asks what something like this has to do with bio-engineering meat, and Chet quickly draws her attention back to the turtles. April already named them, Leonardo, Donatello, Michelangelo and Raphael, inspired from a ‘history of renaissance art’ course she’s taking that semester.

Fifteen months ago. At Stockgen labs, Baxter Stockman gets a damage assessment from Chet regarding the ninja break-in. Though the terrapin exo-suit armor samples remain, the psychotropic serum was lost with Splinter and the traces of super soldier mutagen recovered from the alley have been tainted beyond use. Baxter is infuriated, as the ninja belonged to a rival of General Krang, who provided him with his secret mutagen at great risk; Krang won't like this news one bit. Chet suggests that if they can find Splinter, they can regain both the psychotropic drug and the mutagen from his blood. Baxter laughs at the idea of tracking down a single rat in New York City, but a slimy, furry, one-eyed individual comes crawling into the lab, assuring them he can do it: Old Hob.

Terrapin/Human Exo-Armor = The Shredder Armor we have been seeing.
Psychotropic serum, with splits, or splinters = Splinter being a lab rat in The Ultimate Visual History book script
super soldier mutagen Baxter promised = " Heros are not born they are created"
April asks what something like this has to do with bio-engineering meat = Aprils dad will replace April as a Stock Gen employ.
Chet suggests that if they can find Splinter, they can regain both the psychotropic drug and the mutagen from his blood = The Foot capturing the turtles as seen in set photos. Also the turtle layer break in. Maybe to capture splinter? Or the turtles for the psychotropic drug and the mutagen from their blood.
Links to my thoughts on what we could be seeing: http://tmntentity.blogspot.com/2011/11/tmnt-idw-4.html
http://markandpaigerodriguez.blogspo...-constant.html

People might not like the new comic origins, but it is not just some made up hollywood story. This is Kevin's fingerprints for sure.
If all this is true which is kickass btw then...damn:tsmile:

[Artist]

If Splinter gets imprinted Ninjas fighting abilities, and stopping the Foot is just the Turtles job, is really Yoshi necessary. There's no deeper conflict ike previous versions, but no need for him.

Of course Yoshi is not necessary in your synopsis. But if the DNA happens to be Yoshi's, and there was some kind memorie imprint of Saki vs Yoshi, it makes perfect sense to include him. Why do you keep running from this movie having anything to do with some source material? That question is geared towards every person disliking this movie. I can tell you why I run to source material when seeing something new. Because it resembles source material. The lab rat, turtle testing resembles IDW. The humor resembles the more comedic aspect of the turtle cartoons. The man in the shadows resembles the new nick show Saki. I just have a hard time wondering why people who hate this movie keep running from this movie having any source material. I can see why some people hate it, because they want a more grounded movie that resembles what they feel is cooler in their respected opinion. But why keep pushing the notion of this movie not having any source material?

[A_Little_Too_Raph.9859]

I can see them using some of that but we KNOW that in this movie April is a reporter....not a lab assistant/intern at Stockgen

[Leo656]

I wish. He's decent and can churn out some really great stuff occasionally.

Oh absolutely. Just a good-natured swipe at how his run on Supergirl may as well have been called, "Peter David Uses Comic Books To Reinforce How Much He Loves Him Some Jesus." :lol:

It was a terrific book, actually. It was just SO heavy on the religious stuff that I can't help but poke fun now and then.

[Mr.Green]

This has IDW all over it. Had posted this on another thread.

Hello Technodrome,
Baxter Stockman runs the place, and gets a call from General Krang in Burnow Island. He is waging a war and is getting impatient for the test results he ordered. Baxter says there are delays but they are making great progress with the Terrapin/Human Exo-Armor Synthesis and Rodentia Psychotropic serum tests. Krang demands all of this, as well as the super soldier mutagen Baxter promised, since the General was giving Baxter the funding for all of this. Baxter promises all will be delivered soon and wait will be worth it… as a worried little rat looks on.

Three months later, Chet comments on how fold April is of the turtles. She asks why they call the rat Splinter. Another intern, Lindsey tells her they test him with Psychotropic serum, with splits, or splinters his animal nature in two, separating a capacity for human-like cognition, from his basic animal instincts. April asks what something like this has to do with bio-engineering meat, and Chet quickly draws her attention back to the turtles. April already named them, Leonardo, Donatello, Michelangelo and Raphael, inspired from a ‘history of renaissance art’ course she’s taking that semester.

Fifteen months ago. At Stockgen labs, Baxter Stockman gets a damage assessment from Chet regarding the ninja break-in. Though the terrapin exo-suit armor samples remain, the psychotropic serum was lost with Splinter and the traces of super soldier mutagen recovered from the alley have been tainted beyond use. Baxter is infuriated, as the ninja belonged to a rival of General Krang, who provided him with his secret mutagen at great risk; Krang won't like this news one bit. Chet suggests that if they can find Splinter, they can regain both the psychotropic drug and the mutagen from his blood. Baxter laughs at the idea of tracking down a single rat in New York City, but a slimy, furry, one-eyed individual comes crawling into the lab, assuring them he can do it: Old Hob.

Terrapin/Human Exo-Armor = The Shredder Armor we have been seeing.
Psychotropic serum, with splits, or splinters = Splinter being a lab rat in The Ultimate Visual History book script
super soldier mutagen Baxter promised = " Heros are not born they are created"
April asks what something like this has to do with bio-engineering meat = Aprils dad will replace April as a Stock Gen employ.
Chet suggests that if they can find Splinter, they can regain both the psychotropic drug and the mutagen from his blood = The Foot capturing the turtles as seen in set photos. Also the turtle layer break in. Maybe to capture splinter? Or the turtles for the psychotropic drug and the mutagen from their blood.
Links to my thoughts on what we could be seeing: http://tmntentity.blogspot.com/2011/11/tmnt-idw-4.html
http://markandpaigerodriguez.blogspo...-constant.html

People might not like the new comic origins, but it is not just some made up hollywood story. This is Kevin's fingerprints for sure.

IF the movie goes with this origin, I will be happy but I think you're giving them too much credit. I really REALLY hope for this or something similar to be the movie origin but I don't wanna get my hopes too high on this film

[Artist]

IF the movie goes with this origin, I will be happy but I think you're giving them too much credit. I really REALLY hope for this or something similar to be the movie origin but I don't wanna get my hopes too high on this film

It is not about giving them to much credit, it is about showing all the similarities to the IDW comic. Like the other question I raised, why run from this movie having any source material? Why when people bring up this movie having some source material do some say, "na its probably just white shredder and the guy in the shadows is a figment of his his imagination, cause no way this movie could get any source material right, cause they have clothes on, and have lips." What do you see in this movie that is so far from any tmnt source material?

[slingtheory]

It is not about giving them to much credit, it is about showing all the similarities to the IDW comic. Like the other question I raised, why run from this movie having any source material? Why when people bring up this movie having some source material do some say, "na its probably just white shredder and the guy in the shadows is a figment of his his imagination, cause no way this movie could get any source material right, cause they have clothes on, and have lips." What do you see in this movie that is so far from any tmnt source material? the super sized characters. Shredder as a robotic exo skeleton. The apparent super strenght. The militerized foot who seem to operate out in the open. The possible americanized take on oroku saki. The created to be weapons thing. probably could've gotten over the clothes and lips if not for all that.I will concede that the guy sachs is talking to does resemble nicks version of oroku saki and splinter and the turtles starting out as lab animals is similar to idw but that and apirl being a reporter looks to me to be where their adherance to turtle source material ends. I'm not giving them any points for pulling ideas from other versions when everything else is so wtf.
,

[samxsteal]

the super sized characters. Shredder as a robotic exo skeleton. The apparent super strenght. The militerized foot who seem to operate out in the open. The possible americanized take on oroku saki. The created to be weapons thing. probably could've gotten over the clothes and lips if not for all that.I will concede that the guy sachs is talking to does resemble nicks version of oroku saki and splinter and the turtles starting out as lab animals is similar to idw but that and apirl being a reporter looks to me to be where their adherance to turtle source material ends. I'm not giving them any points for pulling ideas from other versions when everything else is so wtf.
, bUt the Fact That many of you even refused to admit that those thing that have been confirmed in to me Before they were confirmed shows TO me that There are likely plenty of Instepartions being used on this movie, Specially since Eastman all but said "Hey this movie used inspiration for every source" Now i will wait till GLactus Come and tries to prove me wrong yet again
There is plenty out proof that there is more to this movie then the things that people complain about and there mounting Evidence this movie will be a very good movie

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

bUt the Fact That many of you even refused to admit that those thing that have been confirmed in to me Before they were confirmed shows TO me

thing is sam you aren't a source for this movie

hate to break it but you are no special than the rest of us on this forum, we are just fans plain and simple

sure you may have talked to someone once or twice but so did a lot of us, yet sides were made on who to listen to

even when you said that stuff way back when you never gave sources it was all speculation

and even to this day none of it is confirmed its all speculation based on the very few things we saw and know and could be nothing more than happy accidents

[Sighphi]

Rats dont have souls? I knew there was reason i didnt like those things.

Actually the most important thing about that origin is that it mentions box turtles so if this is the movie origin we already know they messed up the turtles because the last trailers shows a RES. Or maybe that RES is Slash?

[samxsteal]

thing is sam you aren't a source for this movie

hate to break it but you are no special than the rest of us on this forum, we are just fans plain and simple

sure you may have talked to someone once or twice but so did a lot of us, yet sides were made on who to listen to

even when you said that stuff way back when you never gave sources it was all speculation

and even to this day none of it is confirmed its all speculation based on the very few things we saw and know and could be nothing more than happy accidents DID I Say i was a source no I said this movie has always had hint are inspiration from sources Since we say the first trailer some even before the trailer with BTS photos, SOme not all are just going to Ignore thing about this movie and blindly hate them (you will say i blindly fallow No i am Open to Change if done well{and well is supjective}) Some of the movie vocal Nay sayers Have been Adamant that Nothing positive Could have been done with this movie they had already condemned the movie long before Any Concrete Evidence was shown for this movie, Issues like shredder, turtle as teens, them foot using ninja weapons(still refuse to believe they will), Martial arts, Plenty of thing Which have been slowly confirmed and proved their "opinions" wrong,

There has and will continue to Be plenty of evidence to support that this movie IS not What PLenty have already judged it as,

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

again sam everything you said and anything that looks like connection to IDW right now is and until the movie comes will be speculation NOT fact

until someone comes in and says "yo, we borrowed heavily from IDW"

its all speculation

not concrete evidence

but it would not surprise me if they are just happy accidents since Bay and Co love militarizing their projects


i mean look af TF4 one of the main key parts is the humanoid building of a transformers for war

[samxsteal]

again sam everything you said and anything that looks like connection to IDW right now is and until the movie comes will be speculation NOT fact

until someone comes in and says "yo, we borrowed heavily from IDW"

its all speculation

not concrete evidence

but it would not surprise me if they are just happy accidents since Bay and Co love militarizing their projects


i mean look af TF4 one of the main key parts is the humanoid building of a transformers for war
Yup Kevin pretty much say hey guy's this movie taken inspiration from all previous version and bays movie is just a happy accident lol Ok sorry. And sorry but some stuff has been confirm via piecing together evidence like "shredder" have Japanese ties, martial arts, title staying put as turtles it out there it's been proven if you don't want to accept it that's on you you're just lying to your self.

And transformers has next to now connection bay has sister they didn't use any source for their movies but Tmnt has by countless people

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

there is no reason in me even responding to you since no matter what i say you will use "Facts" that really arnt facts but once again speculation


but it really is amazing the level will you go to fight for this film even when no one is saying anything bad about it

[slingtheory]

There is plenty out proof that there is more to this movie then the things that people complain about and there mounting Evidence this movie will be a very good movie is there though? The scene with sachs talking to that guy shows that there maybe more going on then just the bare minimum of what we know but what it is, what it means, and if it'll change anybodys opinion is very much up in the air. Fact is the things people don't like are pretty substantial things that appear to be pretty big shake ups to the characters and their world as we've known it and in effect may remove what makes them like it in the first place. That in itself is big enough to put some people off of it. Now maybe they did pull inspiration from other versions besides the fred wolf show (and that's a big maybe) but that still doesn't change how removed the final product looks to be compared to every other turtle universe. That's not to say that change is bad. I've got no problem with change if I think its an improvement or adds anything worthwhile but that's not what this looks like to me and i don't see including references to stuff I do like changing that. It'll more likely just make me wish I was reading or watching one of those instead.

[Autbot_Benz]

fyi the Turtles movie isn't a Bay Movie its a jonathan liebesman movie Bay just produced tmnt.

[sethmartin]

There are plenty of shots in the trailer and leaked info that hints at IDW. I have been saying that from the beginning. That being said, there is no proof that they actually took those elements from IDW. If they made a statement saying that everything in this movie was taken from different incarnations, then yes. However, they said they borrowed from different incarnations and made changes. So even though the turtles seem to be created in a lab in this one, doesn't mean it follows the IDW storyline. Now personally, I believe they borrowed heavily from IDW but that's just my speculation. Could be a coincidence. After all, movies do the whole "created in a lab" twist all the time these days. Rise of the Planet of the Apes is a good example of how they changed the original origin to have the Apes be genetically created in a lab. It's this generations nuclear blast scenario.

[samxsteal]

there is no reason in me even responding to you since no matter what i say you will use "Facts" that really arnt facts but once again speculation


but it really is amazing the level will you go to fight for this film even when no one is saying anything bad about it

Where in any of my part did I state speculation as fact. Fact is shredder has Japanese toes some how some way do we know the level in which he is involved in Japanese culture no. We now know for a fact that there will be substantial martial art from them say there will be to the trailers to the bts nick shot thatsa fact you can keep saying it's not proof but it is.

[slingtheory]

There are plenty of shots in the trailer and leaked info that hints at IDW. I have been saying that from the beginning. That being said, there is no proof that they actually took those elements from IDW. If they made a statement saying that everything in this movie was taken from different incarnations, then yes. However, they said they borrowed from different incarnations and made changes. So even though the turtles seem to be created in a lab in this one, doesn't mean it follows the IDW storyline. Now personally, I believe they borrowed heavily from IDW but that's just my speculation. Could be a coincidence. After all, movies do the whole "created in a lab" twist all the time these days. Rise of the Planet of the Apes is a good example of how they changed the original origin to have the Apes be genetically created in a lab. It's this generations nuclear blast scenario. so true. genetic experimentation is the new radiation accident and the best part is I think its all thanks to marvel again. As for idw influences think it might begin and end with splinter and the turtles being lab animals.
From the descpriction of the origin it doesn't sound like reincarnation will be involved. At least not in a spirtual sense anyway. From the sound of it it if splinter ends up being yoshi it will probably be because he was shot up with his dna and not because he was a man in a past life.

[graphic_content]

I can see them using some of that but we KNOW that in this movie April is a reporter....not a lab assistant/intern at Stockgen

Or is she? :D

[The Stryker]

Or is she? :D

She's a reporter.....