Splinter's MOVIE Origins...(Lego.com)

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Okay...so from the page of the script found in the TMNT: The Ultimate Visual History - we all know that this latest iteration of Splinter began as a lab rat.

As I was on LEGO.COM, TMNT section of course, I noticed that everything was very much geared towards the NICK show, only showing the movie sets as a product of the existing product line, rather than its own thing entirely.

Strangely enough, the character descriptions they gave largely fit their NICK counterparts, except for one: SPLINTER.

His description read as follows:

Originally an experimental lab rat exposed to ninja sensory training, Splinter was injected with a DNA-infused mutagen that gave him sentience, thoughts and a soul. After an unfortunate event at the lab, Splinter and four unlikely box turtles suddenly found themselves building their new home in the sewers.

- experimental lab rat
- ninja sensory training
- infused with mutagen that gave him sentience...and a soul?

...Obviously, for those of us who have seen the NICK show, we know this ISNT Splinter's origin, but perhaps somebody goofed, and posted his MOVIE origins.

***ON A SIDE NOTE: I checked everyone else's origins (Shredder, Karai, etc.) and they all seem in line with the NICK show storyline.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

Interesting find. Sounds like an interesting take on his origin.

[Shark_Blade]

Sounds like IDW origin.

[CyberCubed]

This had better not be true. If Splinter isn't Hamato Yoshi or related to him in any way than it's yet another screw up.

[MrTMNT2012]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

This had better not be true. If Splinter isn't Hamato Yoshi or related to him in any way than it's yet another screw up.

Change = Screw-up

- CyberCubed Logic.

[Galactus]

So what's the point of having Oroku Saki in this at all if there's no connection to Yoshi.

I think this is as good as the final nail for me if it's true.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by graphic_content

Okay...so from the page of the script found in the TMNT: The Ultimate Visual History - we all know that this latest iteration of Splinter began as a lab rat.

As I was on LEGO.COM, TMNT section of course, I noticed that everything was very much geared towards the NICK show, only showing the movie sets as a product of the existing product line, rather than its own thing entirely.

Strangely enough, the character descriptions they gave largely fit their NICK counterparts, except for one: SPLINTER.

His description read as follows:



http://i.imgur.com/3q0N2i1.jpg?1

- experimental lab rat
- ninja sensory training
- infused with mutagen that gave him sentience...and a soul?

...Obviously, for those of us who have seen the NICK show, we know this ISNT Splinter's origin, but perhaps somebody goofed, and posted his MOVIE origins.

***ON A SIDE NOTE: I checked everyone else's origins (Shredder, Karai, etc.) and they all seem in line with the NICK show storyline.

Sounds similar to IDW, I'm ok with that.

[Bry]

I'm not opposed to adding some animal testing element to their origins (especially if it makes a strong critical point about that happening in real life), but this seems to completely remove the accidental mutation from their origins, which is... kind of important, IMO. Even the IDW origin had that, though it was also mixed in with some genetic engineering and reincarnation -- and even then, I feel like that over-complicates the origin and is one of the weaker updates from that run.

That whole "do not confuse the specter of your origin with your present worth" vibe is a big part of the appeal for me. If you make them "special" in-story, that makes them less actually special.

But it seems like every comic movie needs to have a "heroic destiny" or have their hero be specifically engineered/created these days instead being the result of a good old-fashioned chance encounter. Even Spider-Man's not safe. And the characters are weaker for it.

[SwiftNinjaFox]

Originally Posted by MrTMNT2012

Change = Screw-up

- CyberCubed Logic.

In this case it could be a screw up. No Hamato Yoshi link adds a lot of weirdness.

Ninja sensory training a rat sounds pretty stupid to begin with. Unless, again, the idea was to train a rat in ninjutsu, mutate him into a man-rat, and have your own "Hero" man-rat ninja. Because that's what April's father and Sachs were trying to do....create heroes.

O_o

Originally Posted by Bry

I'm not opposed to adding some animal testing element to their origins (especially if it makes a strong critical point about that happening in real life), but this seems to completely remove the accidental mutation from their origins, which is... kind of important, IMO. That whole "do not confuse the specter of your origin with your present worth, my sons" vibe is a big part of the appeal for me. If you make them "special" in-story, that makes them less actually special.

But it seems like every comic movie needs to have a "heroic destiny" or have their hero be specifically engineered/created these days instead being the result of a good old-fashioned chance encounter. Even Spider-Man's not safe. And the characters are weaker for it.

Oh I'll bet you anything it's heroic destiny and not an accident. Far from it, this was all meant to happen.

Remember, the old script they were the pre-destined chosen warriors fated to save the world from birth. And like you said, Hollywood doesn't do coincidences anymore.

Whatever happened to "just the wrong guy in the wrong place at the wrong time?"

Like you said, they pre-destined Peter to become Spider-Man, his DNA being the only one that could be Spider-Man, blah blah blah. If Peter's not safe, I doubt the turtles are.


That said, it could just be a poorly written description of what actually happens. Reading between the lines and this could indeed be the IDW reincarnation origin...just poorly summarized.

[Bry]

Originally Posted by SwiftNinjaFox

In this case it could be a screw up. No Hamato Yoshi link adds a lot of weirdness.

Ninja sensory training a rat sounds pretty stupid to begin with. Unless, again, the idea was to train a rat in ninjutsu, mutate him into a man-rat, and have your own "Hero" man-rat ninja. Because that's what April's father and Sachs were trying to do....create heroes.

O_o

Mimicking his master's movements from his cage is starting to sound downright plausible by comparison, isn't it?

Originally Posted by SwiftNinjaFox

Oh I'll bet you anything it's heroic destiny and not an accident. Far from it, this was all meant to happen.

Remember, the old script they were the pre-destined chosen warriors fated to save the world from birth. And like you said, Hollywood doesn't do coincidences anymore.

Whatever happened to "just the wrong guy in the wrong place at the wrong time?"

Like you said, they pre-destined Peter to become Spider-Man, his DNA being the only one that could be Spider-Man, blah blah blah. If Peter's not safe, I doubt the turtles are.

While I'm sick of that particular trend as a whole, the Turtles in particular are the ultimate "accidents" and just don't fit with that kind of narrative. Which I think gives their story even more power - they're not even supposed to exist! They weren't created on purpose, they have no all-powerful force guiding them, they don't have a place in the world. Yet here they are. And they choose to do good. It's very meaningful in a way that "created to be heroes" can never be.

Originally Posted by SwiftNinjaFox

That said, it could just be a poorly written description of what actually happens. Reading between the lines and this could indeed be the IDW reincarnation origin...just poorly summarized.

Which would be... better. But still not good, IMO. It just over-complicates an origin that doesn't need it.

[unlundun]

"and a soul"

nice bit of 19th century pseudo religious bullsh1t.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Originally Posted by MrTMNT2012

Change = Screw-up

- CyberCubed Logic.

No, he's right. If Splinter really has nothing to do with Hamato Yoshi, what's the point? Why should Saki care about Splinter?

[Gimme_Three]

Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

No, he's right. If Splinter really has nothing to do with Hamato Yoshi, what's the point? Why should Saki care about Splinter?

Gee no one knows. I guess we're going to have to watch the movie to find out.

[Pondslider]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

This had better not be true. If Splinter isn't Hamato Yoshi or related to him in any way than it's yet another screw up.

Obviously Hamato Yoshi is going to be a scientist in the lab and he mixes his own DNA with the mutagen he injects into Splinter. And also the mutagen/DNA gives Splinter Ninja powers.

[The Stryker]

Or they're cherrypicking stuff from IDW and whatnot. I don't really get what's so ridiculous about sensory ninja training. The alternative origin for Rat Splinter is a normal rat learning how to fight by watching a guy do it for awhile. They're both dumb as hell.

But yeah. Let's freak out instead.

[Bry]

Originally Posted by Gimme_Three

Gee no one knows. I guess we're going to have to watch the movie to find out.

Or check Wikipedia once the movie's released!

[SwiftNinjaFox]

Originally Posted by The Stryker

Or they're cherrypicking stuff from IDW and whatnot. I don't really get what's so ridiculous about sensory ninja training. The alternative origin for Rat Splinter is a normal rat learning how to fight by watching a guy do it for awhile. They're both dumb as hell.

But yeah. Let's freak out instead.

A rat learning by watching a guy do it is just goofy as hell, yes.

Ninja sensory training adds a hell of a lot of additional complications to reach the same goofy conclusion.

Then again, how many utterly STUPID scientific studies do we spend millions of dollars on? I suppose, sadly, spending millions to research ninja sensory training and testing it on a rat actually....makes....more realistic sense.

Dammit, I'm less irritated by the movie and more irritated with real life stupidity now.

[MrTMNT2012]

Originally Posted by Bry

Or check Wikipedia once the movie's released!

Because that's what a true Ninja Turtles fan does...

[sethmartin]

There is no proof that the shadow figure in the trailer is oroku saki. When Eric Sachs says "We're taking your armor to the next level" it doesn't necessarily mean he's talking to the Shredder. I think it's Mr Chang who is probably an alien or some kind of disfigured business man who is trying to make armor for soldiers. Eric Sachs helps him make the armor stronger and falls in love with it and becomes Shredder. Eric Sachs = Oroku Saki. Mr. Chang= Krang. Now I hope this isn't the case but I still think they scrapped the Oroku Saki and Hamato Yoshi characters and Americanized the whole thing.

It makes sense though. They are trying to create ninja warriors to take over the world so they experiment on a lab rat and the rat escapes and becomes Splinter

[SwiftNinjaFox]

Originally Posted by MrTMNT2012

Because that's what a true Ninja Turtles fan does...

It could be if they don't like the look of the film, didn't like the reviews, didn't like their trusted friends' opinions, and chose to pass on this version of the turtles.

Or they plan to see it on Netflix, etc because they're broke but don't care about spoilers!

Am I a fake Ninja Turtles fan because I couldn't get through the first episode of Next Mutation?

Originally Posted by sethmartin

There is no proof that the shadow figure in the trailer is oroku saki. When Eric Sachs says "We're taking your armor to the next level" it doesn't necessarily mean he's talking to the Shredder. I think it's Mr Chang who is probably an alien or some kind of disfigured business man who is trying to make armor for soldiers. Eric Sachs helps him make the armor stronger and falls in love with it and becomes Shredder. Eric Sachs = Oroku Saki. Mr. Chang= Krang. Now I hope this isn't the case but I still think they scrapped the Oroku Saki and Hamato Yoshi characters and Americanized the whole thing.

That's possible too.