What if Casey Jones is black in the sequel?

[CyberCubed]

Given this movie almost changed Shredder to a white man, and Marvel movies like Avengers changing Nick Fury to Samuel L Jackson, or the Human Torch from the new rebooted Fantastic Four turned into black instead of his white self that he's been for 70 years...its possible.

What if Casey Jones was cast as a black actor? Is the world ready for a black Casey Jones?

Honestly Casey being black would fit his character, and while I am not a fan of race changes to established characters, this wouldn't bother me nearly as much as Shredder being white, (obviously the Foot are from Japan, Shredder needs to be Asian and has an Asian name)

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Would it be a good actor (for example, I enjoy Michael B. Jordan who was in Chronicle, and I enjoyed Anthony Mackie in Captain America: The Winter Soldier)? Or would it be some bad actor shoe-horned like the RZA or 50 Cent or such...

If it was a good actor, then yeah I'd be fine.

[Warhorse]

Wouldn't bother me none. I once had a thought where he was a black man, and he had a daughter that was about 10, and she would be Angel, played by a black girl. TMNT seems to miss the boat when it comes to minorities sometimes.

[CyberCubed]

. TMNT seems to miss the boat when it comes to minorities sometimes.

I don't see where you get that since Baxter is black in every incarnation but one, and Bebop is black.

[Powder]

As long as race isn't relevant to the character, I'm open to any changes.

[CyberCubed]

As long as race isn't relevant to the character, I'm open to any changes.

I'm kinda surprised Casey being black hasn't been thought of before. It actually fits his character surprisingly well.

[Raphies]

I wouldn't care at all, as long as his personality would be intact.

[NinjaPug]

Just give me a Casey Jones character that is well written that is portrayed by a good actor. I don't care about his skin color at all.

[sdp]

As a kid growing up in the early 90s when every race had to be accounted for like in the BK Kids club/Captain Planet etc. I've always liked race variety but I hate it when they change the race of established characters; even when it works really well like Kingpin in Daredevil or Perry in MoS, it still bothers me that they changed the race. I'm ok when they make new characters of different race though like Jon Stewart being GL since it's a new GL and not Hal Jordan.

I guess Casey Jones being black would be ok for the character and it could work, but it would still bother me. But I'd prefer a new black vigilante taking Casey jone's role instead of a race change. This movie already messed up Thompson by making him a woman and black. I think I'd actually be more ok with April being black counting in the original comics she was likely meant to be black.

[Powder]

More than anything I think the turtles should be more racially diverse. NYC is a total melting pot, it'd be dope to have like a puerto rican Mikey, black Raph, asian Leo, & white Donnie. At least I think so. Ya know, with respect to voice actors & whatnot.

[sdp]

That's a terrible idea that doesn't even make sense, they are turtles, not humans.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

That's a terrible idea that doesn't even make sense, they are turtles, not humans.

Right, they are turtles...not humans. That means they can sound like anybody since they have No Actual/Exact Race. So why would they have the voice of a 'white/Caucasian' when, like you said, they are Turtles...they can sound like anybody.

You could easily ask 'why does Mikey sound more Surfer-like in some incarnations, f he lives in New York'

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

I already stated Casey could be black in the sequel in one of the other Casey Jones threads.

Who cares about race anymore. Only racists care. I was hoping April was Zoe Saldana when the movie was announced.

I don't know if these guys who are in Marvel movies are allowed to cross over into other super hero movies. Anthony Mackie is a good choice, but I doubt he can be Falcon and Casey.

I think Common could pull it off. Mos Def, Michael K. Williams, but he's too old. They should get a no name for Casey.

I just have this sickening feeling we're going to get Brian Austin Green...

[Electric]

i wouldnt mind, as long as casey is well written. i like very few versions of him, so if black casey could be enjoyable sure.

my only vote against it is people bitching about it. when people thought shredder was white there was a rampage. if black casey was released, i could see the same thing happening

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

my only vote against it is people bitching about it. when people thought shredder was white there was a rampage. if black casey was released, i could see the same thing happening

Because if they're going to just put a white American Ninja guy in there...it should only be this guy:

http://www.writeups.org/img/fiche/3299a.jpg

[Slade]

I can see this thread spiraling out of control...


My thoughts on this. I don't really care all that much about Casey. Only one I have liked is from the first movie. So whatever. But, I don't think a characters race should be changed.

[IndigoErth]

Best audition should get the gig. Just please... no need for screwing with names for stupid reasons.

Although a name like Casey could also be a girl... wouldn't that be something. lol

[Cure]

More than anything I think the turtles should be more racially diverse. NYC is a total melting pot, it'd be dope to have like a puerto rican Mikey, black Raph, asian Leo, & white Donnie. At least I think so. Ya know, with respect to voice actors & whatnot.

But there's no way of portraying those races in turtles without seeming racist to the oversensitive types. They'd all have to have stereotypical accents and walk around with flags on their shells or some sh*t. And what would it bring it to their characters besides their voices, anyway?

I'm not saying it can't work, but it's a fine line, I think.

[chrisdude]

I'm kinda surprised Casey being black hasn't been thought of before. It actually fits his character surprisingly well.
http://i.imgur.com/Lrc3ITp.jpg

[snake]

That'd be cool as long as he can pull off a good Casey.

[strawberryfields]

Given this movie almost changed Shredder to a white man, and Marvel movies like Avengers changing Nick Fury to Samuel L Jackson, or the Human Torch from the new rebooted Fantastic Four turned into black instead of his white self that he's been for 70 years...its possible.

What if Casey Jones was cast as a black actor? Is the world ready for a black Casey Jones?

Honestly Casey being black would fit his character, and while I am not a fan of race changes to established characters, this wouldn't bother me nearly as much as Shredder being white, (obviously the Foot are from Japan, Shredder needs to be Asian and has an Asian name)

The only thing that gets arrested quicker than a vigilante that beats on people with baseball bats is a black vigilante that beats on people with baseball bats

That said, I don't really care what ethnicity any of the characters are as long as they are good actors

[Warhorse]

I don't see where you get that since Baxter is black in every incarnation but one, and Bebop is black.

And the villain too! That's the problem, minorities tend to be in movies to be either A-the villain, or in B-the token black guy who will be the first to die. The TMNT is one of the worst offenders. And have they ever had a black female in there yet?

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

I could see some people reacting just like this:

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[Leo656]

The only thing that gets arrested quicker than a vigilante that beats on people with baseball bats is a black vigilante that beats on people with baseball bats


:lol: That's actually an interesting point. Especially for a story set in NYC. Forget arrested, he'd be shot to Swiss cheese as soon as he so much as reached for a baseball bat, if the cops saw him. :lol:

[snake]

And the villain too! That's the problem, minorities tend to be in movies to be either A-the villain, or in B-the token black guy who will be the first to die. The TMNT is one of the worst offenders. And have they ever had a black female in there yet?

April in Mirage was originally black I believe.

[Warhorse]

April in Mirage was originally black I believe.

I've heard speculation, but there is no concrete evidence.

[snake]

I've heard speculation, but there is no concrete evidence.

I wonder if anyone asked Peter on his blog about it.

[beeshaw]

I'm kinda surprised Casey being black hasn't been thought of before. It actually fits his character surprisingly well.

:trolleye:

http://i.imgur.com/Lrc3ITp.jpg

:tlol:

[Leolead]

As long as it's well written. wouldn't mind.

[CyberCubed]

How does Casey being black not fit his character?

A guy who means well and wants to clean up his neighborhood of street gangs and petty thugs? And does after them wearing a mask and hitting them with baseball bats and hockey sticks?

I'm sure they made some kind of a movie where a black guy does something similar. Probably one of those movies that casts rappers as stars or something.

[Leo656]

Your lack of self-awareness is wonderful.

[snake]

How does Casey being black not fit his character?

A guy who means well and wants to clean up his neighborhood of street gangs and petty thugs? And does after them wearing a mask and hitting them with baseball bats and hockey sticks?

I'm sure they made some kind of a movie where a black guy does something similar. Probably one of those movies that casts rappers as stars or something.
What?

How exactly does that make him "black"?

Let's not have another Bebop debate again.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

A guy who means well and wants to clean up his neighborhood of street gangs and petty thugs? And does after them wearing a mask and hitting them with baseball bats and hockey sticks?


Well, other than the mask...

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[Jester]

More than anything I think the turtles should be more racially diverse. NYC is a total melting pot, it'd be dope to have like a puerto rican Mikey, black Raph, asian Leo, & white Donnie. At least I think so. Ya know, with respect to voice actors & whatnot.

But there's no way of portraying those races in turtles without seeming racist to the oversensitive types. They'd all have to have stereotypical accents and walk around with flags on their shells or some sh*t. And what would it bring it to their characters besides their voices, anyway?

I'm not saying it can't work, but it's a fine line, I think.
I have to agree. Remember that despite being New Yorkers they are also all Turtles raised by the same parent. THAT'S what would inform their personalities. If anything they'd all be different stripes of 2nd generation Japanese raised by an immigrant from Japan.

To the point of Casey....sure. All I care about is if the actor can do the job and if they can BE Casey, and Casey's a crazy vigilante armed with sports equipment...could be any race, really.

[Powder]

You're both right I suppose, but there's also the fact that Mikey always sounds decidedly west-coast. & one could argue that's due to him hearing that sort of thing all the time, maybe in his favorite movies, so their surroundings & pop culture exposure would influence their upbringing. Yeah, more than anything it makes sense they'd sound semi-Japanese, having been raised by Splinter, but I don't think it'd be ridiculous for them to sound like any other kinda folk in the city, considering they'd be hearing it through the gutter every day.

[Shark_Blade]

So at first you rant about "whitewashed" Shredder, and now you want a "blackwashed" Casey..

Makes sense. Not.

[Jester]

You're both right I suppose, but there's also the fact that Mikey always sounds decidedly west-coast. & one could argue that's due to him hearing that sort of thing all the time, maybe in his favorite movies, so their surroundings & pop culture exposure would influence their upbringing. Yeah, more than anything it makes sense they'd sound semi-Japanese, having been raised by Splinter, but I don't think it'd be ridiculous for them to sound like any other kinda folk in the city, considering they'd be hearing it through the gutter every day.
Maybe they could use an amalgamation of different slang to kind of play to the melting pot of NY...but it'd be hard to do that without delving into stereotypes.
So at first you rant about "whitewashed" Shredder, and now you want a "blackwashed" Casey..

Makes sense. Not.
There's a scale....Shredder started as a minority and was turned white. Shredder's nationality is key to his character. Casey started out as "base wasp" (for lack of a better term). His being white doesn't change or inform his character....he just happens to be white. Making him another nationality doesn't take from his character, where as taking Shredder's nationality does.

[Coola Yagami]

Why do some [people act like it was awesome to have Falcon as a black dude in the Cap America movie.... if Falcon was always black anyway?

As for Casey... whatever. This movie is damaged beyond repair. Sequels would only make it worse. I could care less if Vernon got hit by Mutagen and turned into Casey. Whatever. I give up on this new movie TMNT 'franchise'.

[Werecat]

Casey Jones wouldn't be the best candidate to race change. You might face racist claims because you are demonstrating that only black people are deranged and angry while white men aren't. Well you would get that if you have good interpretation skeels. If you had poor interpretation skeels the indirect insult would go over your head.

[Midnight Mutant]

Considering that April's race has changed and so has Baxter's, It wouldn't bother me.

I don't consider Eric Sacks being Shredder as changing the Shredders race because he wasn't and wouldn't be the true Shredder, just A Shredder.

Now, had William been playing Oroku Saki, I'd consider it a race change.

[IndigoErth]

A guy who means well and wants to clean up his neighborhood of street gangs and petty thugs? And does after them wearing a mask and hitting them with baseball bats and hockey sticks?
Pretty sure whites, Asians, and others could as well. Heck, other than the weapons of choice you also described large Turtle people.

[pennydreadful]

Please, let's not pretend that Cubed made this thread for any other reason than to say racially insensitive things in an attempt to get a reaction. :roll:

[Lou 500]

He looked partly Native American in the 2003 series. Even if it wasn't intentional, I rather like the idea.

I'm kinda surprised Casey being black hasn't been thought of before. It actually fits his character surprisingly well.

You just can't stop yourself, can you?

[Xiewin]

Please, let's not pretend that Cubed made this thread for any other reason than to say racially insensitive things in an attempt to get a reaction. :roll:

I can never tell if he's being serious or not.

[The Turtle Terminator]

As long as Casey is a witty, show stealing, hockey mask wearing vigilanite, that shouts Goongala, I don't really care what race he is.

[ScrewtheMirageTMNT]

If it made sense, I would not mind it, I wouldn't want them to have casey be black for nothing. Like if there was an alternate version of casey that was black from a cartoon or comic series then I would be for it. Other wise it would be change just for the sake of change and forced. Imo.

[Jester]

Like....Eric Sacks and most of this new movie?

I think making Casey not white is nowhere near as bad as some of the changes that made it into this flick.

[ScrewtheMirageTMNT]

What changes in the movie didn't sit well with you?

[Jester]

Not a fan of the Turtles designs, Splinter learning ninjitsu from a book post mutation with no Hamato Yoshi, a "new" character in Eric Sacks who was to be Shredder, and then became a psudo-Baxter...and I'm sure there are more.

[ScrewtheMirageTMNT]

Welp, to be fair, if the movie was more faithful in regards to whatever you would then have people complaining about it being slavish to the source material that was used, or possibly. I do not mind the name oroku saki not being said, I do not mind that cause I know that that is shredder's real name. As for splinter learning from a book? I see nothing wrong with that, we folks learn stuff from books by observing them, it comes off as rational and realistic to me.

[Jester]

So how is changing Casey Jones' race any more unorthodox?

[Prowler]

I know you're trying to get a rise out of people again but whatever.

I don't have a problem with slight changes to characters like changing their job per example(April going from a scientist to a reporter) but I'm against the idea of making big changes such as their ethnic origins. There was no need to make Baxter white in the FW series. Hell, he had a completely different personality in the comics, so might as well just given him a different name in the cartoon since he was pretty much a completely different character.

That being said, changing Casey's or April's ethnicity is nothing compared to changing Shredder's or Splinter's(when he's human, that is). As bad as the movie might be(haven't watched it still) I was relieved when I heard that Shredder wasn't going to be white after all. In fact, I'm surprised there wasn't a bigger uproar about it and accusations of racism against the people behind the movie.

[Cipher]

This is the whitest thread on the forum.

[Prowler]

Please, let's not pretend that Cubed made this thread for any other reason than to say racially insensitive things in an attempt to get a reaction. :roll:
I'm honestly surprised how he's able to get away with it.

[The True Shredder]

I'm honestly surprised how he's able to get away with it.

Seriously Cubed said nothing wrong. When people ASSUME that he meant agressive,loud,etc about Casey's character when he didn't even say that than that is being racist. Seriously people and their assumptions.

[pennydreadful]

http://cdn01.cdnwp.celebuzz.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/14/jennifer-lawrence-10.gif

Seriously man, hang out here for a few months and then see if you still feel the same about Cubed's posts... seriously, they ain't no assumptions - this is his trademark thing/performance art.

[Werecat]

More than anything I think the turtles should be more racially diverse. NYC is a total melting pot, it'd be dope to have like a puerto rican Mikey, black Raph, asian Leo, & white Donnie. At least I think so. Ya know, with respect to voice actors & whatnot.
That is insensitive racial stereotyping. Peeps don't like it when you is insensitive.
Making Michelangelo puerto rican means you believe in the stereotype that they are lazy and don't want to work.

Raphael being black is like saying all black people are angry and have criminal intent.

White Donnie is also insensitive 'cause you are specifically choosing the white race to represent someone who is academically superior.

Now none of this would be racist if you didn't choose the ones with the poor qualities to represent the other races.
So how is changing Casey Jones' race any more unorthodox?
It is unacceptable because it is racial stereotyping. Selectively picking a certain character to change their ethnicity because their personality represents a racial stereotype. That is racist no matter how much you try to justify it.


Now if Cybercubed suggested if they race change someone like April to black. I wouldn't care 'cause April breaks away from any racial stereotype because she is a strong, intellectual, independent....black woman. That don't need no man.

[The True Shredder]

That is insensitive racial stereotyping. Peeps don't like it when you is insensitive.
Making Michelangelo puerto rican means you believe in the stereotype that they are lazy and don't want to work.

Raphael being black is like saying all black people are angry and have criminal intent.

White Donnie is also insensitive 'cause you are specifically choosing the white race to represent someone who is academically superior.

Now none of this would be racist if you didn't choose the ones with the poor qualities to represent the other races.

It is unacceptable because it is racial stereotyping. Selectively picking a certain character to change their ethnicity because their personality represents a racial stereotype. That is racist no matter how much you try to justify it.


Now if Cybercubed suggested if they race change someone like April to black. I wouldn't care 'cause April breaks away from any racial stereotype because she is a strong, intellectual, independent....black woman. That don't need no man.

What you just said describing each race was racist. You actually see these races like that is racist. Everybody can be or do those things. Not a particular race. If they want to make Mikey voice Puerto Rican I say lest them. I know of course thatyou did this unintentionally but still this is not the right type of thinking. Pretty soon weare going to run out of races if we have that mindset.

[Hawkeye]

I wouldn't care too much.

I care about Human Storm being black because he looks 20 years older than his white sister.

I don't think they will though after the whole Shredder thing.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

I wouldn't mind.

[Powder]

That is insensitive racial stereotyping. Peeps don't like it when you is insensitive.
Making Michelangelo puerto rican means you believe in the stereotype that they are lazy and don't want to work.

Raphael being black is like saying all black people are angry and have criminal intent.

White Donnie is also insensitive 'cause you are specifically choosing the white race to represent someone who is academically superior.

Now none of this would be racist if you didn't choose the ones with the poor qualities to represent the other races.



What makes you think I had laziness, anger, & intelligence in mind, rather than personality, strength, & nerdiness? C'mon son.

[terrorblade]

It's alright as long as they gonna make him gay, atheist and autistic too.

He should smoke weed too.

[CyberCubed]

Also imagine a tall black man interacting with Megan Fox in the sequel. They would work well together.

[chrisdude]

Also imagine a tall black man interacting with Megan Fox in the sequel. They would work well together.I wish I knew what you were talking about.

[UGHShellshocked]

I could really careless on what race they make him as long as they don't make him a bumbling emasculated idiot for April O'Fox to make fun of, the actor can't be better than Megan Fox since it would look terrible. I could see them casting the very wooden Aaron Johnson.

http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/c4/ee/f8/c4eef8790e9d5e2f97a53c0764b9c052.jpg

I know people are already throwing in the Michael B Jordan as Casey Jones suggestion but why should he be everyone's go to African American actor? He's already been suggested as Apollo Creed's Grandson in the next Rocky movie, he's got Johnny Storm and now Casey Jones is up to bat.

How about John Boyega?

http://www.moviescopemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/John-Boyega.jpg

[Orochi]

Yeah-no. You caused a stink about Bebop's race in the Nick forum when you thought he was going to be white and made a massive deal out of nothing and caused grief (when Bebop's race is totally irrelevant because he's been shown as white too in some media). Casey can be whatever colour, it doesn't matter. I don't get why there's even a thread about this. I doubt he'll be black in a sequel but if he is, I'd have no issue if he's well written and acted. Just, you can't really make a massive deal out of this when you almost blew a gasket because you assumed Bebop would be white in the Nick series, which he wasn't.

[Candy Kappa]

What if indeed.

[Sanjuro]

Michael Jai White could be Casey, but would people confuse him with his character from Secret of the Ooze?

[graphic_content]

Honestly Casey being black would fit his character

why would being black fit his character?

[Quasimod0]

People would complain about him being a "racist stereotype"
Some street thug black dude. lol. Even if he was the exact same character as white Casey, with the only change being in skin color.
The only reason I'd be against having a black dude as Casey is because I want to see casey with shoulder length black hair.

[The True Shredder]

Okay guys your not racist. Don't see how you had to prove yourselves if you weren't though?

[Puddinpop]

That is insensitive racial stereotyping. Peeps don't like it when you is insensitive.
Making Michelangelo puerto rican means you believe in the stereotype that they are lazy and don't want to work. .

It's obvious why Cubed made this thread. Everything that comes out of his mouth is ridiculous.

That being said. Enough with the race baiting " everything is racist " ********. Take that **** somewhere else. Holding a different race at a different standard IS racist. I'm a little tired of people always pointing their finger at everything calling everything racist. There is MORE to life than skin color. When you watch MSNBC all day and see EVERYTHING threw a racial lens then that is what you are going to see. You are not helping anyone either. Esp with all of the double standards lately with this whole debate. It has no place here in this TMNT forum. Just keeping people angry and divided and that is something some people want.

Can we move on please.

[Jester]

It is unacceptable because it is racial stereotyping. Selectively picking a certain character to change their ethnicity because their personality represents a racial stereotype. That is racist no matter how much you try to justify it.


Now if Cybercubed suggested if they race change someone like April to black. I wouldn't care 'cause April breaks away from any racial stereotype because she is a strong, intellectual, independent....black woman. That don't need no man.
What about Casey's character feed negative black stereotypes? You seem to be making assumptions. Nothing about Casey would necessarily change if you changed the amount of melanin in his skin.

And why is April filling what could be considered a "positive stereotype" any better?

[The True Shredder]

It's obvious why Cubed made this thread. Everything that comes out of his mouth is ridiculous.

That being said. Enough with the race baiting " everything is racist " ********. Take that **** somewhere else. Holding a different race at a different standard IS racist. I'm a little tired of people always pointing their finger at everything calling everything racist. There is MORE to life than skin color. When you watch MSNBC all day and see EVERYTHING threw a racial lens then that is what you are going to see. You are not helping anyone either. Esp with all of the double standards lately with this whole debate. It has no place here in this TMNT forum. Just keeping people angry and divided and that is something some people want.

Can we move on please.

For once I actually agree with you daddy. ;)

[MikLeo]

I wont mind but I don't think they going to use Casey. They replace him with Vernon.

[syk_skillz]

People would complain about him being a "racist stereotype"
Some street thug black dude. lol. Even if he was the exact same character as white Casey, with the only change being in skin color.
The only reason I'd be against having a black dude as Casey is because I want to see casey with shoulder length black hair.

Get someone with long dreads, Kofi Kingston could play Casey Jones lol

[Werecat]

What makes you think I had laziness, anger, & intelligence in mind, rather than personality, strength, & nerdiness? C'mon son.
All I am saying that is insensitive racial stereotyping. Stop trying to justify it.
What about Casey's character feed negative black stereotypes? You seem to be making assumptions. Nothing about Casey would necessarily change if you changed the amount of melanin in his skin.

And why is April filling what could be considered a "positive stereotype" any better?

I am not making assumptions. It is racist. The reason for Cybercubed suggestion is because a personality that is angry and poor fits the black people more then white. He wants to change the ethnicity so it fits racial stereotyping.

There is no such thing as a positive stereotype. I said it right in my comment why it was positive. April is a character that has excellent skills in computers and is strong willed, none of these traits are negative. Thus April breaks away from any stereotype which makes her a good character.

Cybercubed wants to change the ethnicity of characters to fit racial stereotypes, which is insensitive and offensive. I can't believe a mod is defending a offensive and insensitive suggestion.

[Puddinpop]

What about Casey's character feed negative black stereotypes? You seem to be making assumptions. Nothing about Casey would necessarily change if you changed the amount of melanin in his skin.

And why is April filling what could be considered a "positive stereotype" any better?

.....Exactly. It's all assumption. It seems deliberate also. Me personally.. I cant stand this PC world we live in now were we all have to walk on egg shells. Even calling someone a " racist"
imo is the worst thing you could call someone. There is so much more to life than skin color.
I don't see ANY character traits with Casey that could be seen as " Black Stereotypes". That is absolutely ridiculous. Its reaching.

All I am saying that is insensitive racial stereotyping. Stop trying to justify it.


I am not making assumptions. It is racist.

You know.. it's people like you that keep people angry and divided. Why walk threw life seeing everything as being offensive and " racist"? But someone ALWAYS has to make EVERYTHING about race. RACE RACE RACE. Who cares.
If you are someone that is constantly accusing people of being racist and sees EVERYTHING threw a racial lens then that tells me more about you then it does about anything else.

[plastroncafe]

Wait...CyberCubed started an inflammatory trollish thread?
On the Technodrome Forums?

TO HELL YOU SAY!

[TheSkeletonMan939]

All I am saying that is insensitive racial stereotyping... It is racist... He wants to change the ethnicity so it fits racial stereotyping... Cybercubed wants to change the ethnicity of characters to fit racial stereotypes, which is insensitive and offensive.

Geez man. You know, I think it's worth pointing out that only you seem to have noticed how "racist" this is. You're the only one who seems to have made the connection between Casey's general angry attitude and "black guy". That connection just seems really forced to me.

[plastroncafe]

That's one really strong vacuum you live in, to not know that Angry Black Man and Angry Black Woman are two very prevalent stereotypes in the US.

Let's look at Casey's history. Originally a sociopath who finally unhinges after watching too much crappy 80s television. Armed with sporting equipment, and donning a hockey mask, he assaults and batters those wot lurk in the alleys of New York City.

What about that says,
being black would fit his character... to you, Cyber?
And please, be specific.

[Jester]

All I am saying that is insensitive racial stereotyping. Stop trying to justify it.


I am not making assumptions. It is racist. The reason for Cybercubed suggestion is because a personality that is angry and poor fits the black people more then white. He wants to change the ethnicity so it fits racial stereotyping.

There is no such thing as a positive stereotype. I said it right in my comment why it was positive. April is a character that has excellent skills in computers and is strong willed, none of these traits are negative. Thus April breaks away from any stereotype which makes her a good character.

Cybercubed wants to change the ethnicity of characters to fit racial stereotypes, which is insensitive and offensive. I can't believe a mod is defending a offensive and insensitive suggestion.
The only one reading into it is you. Casey being black doesn't mean that he has to fit the "Angry Black Man" stereotype. It's ASSUMING as much that's racist.

And saying April would be great as a strong black woman..."because she doesn't need a man" plays into a stereotype in itself.

You accuse Cubed of trolling, but part of me has to wonder the one who turned this thread into anything other than a, 'What's keeping Casey from being anything but "Base Wasp"?' discussion.

[Raphies]

He looked partly Native American in the 2003 series. Even if it wasn't intentional, I rather like the idea.

Yeah I thought this myself actually, I'll keep it as a personal head-canon. I think if he gets it, he gets it from his mother's side.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Yeah I thought this myself actually, I'll keep it as a personal head-canon. I think if he gets it, he gets it from his mother's side.

For some reason I just think this a wonderful idea. It's head-canon for me too now. :P

[plastroncafe]

I'm going to treat this topic as if it was:

Hey, Casey could totally be black in the sequel!


And with that as the starting premise I'm instantly reminded of the internet campaign to make Donald Glover the next Spider-man.

You can read his thoughts on the fallout that...well fell out here. (http://imgur.com/gallery/1hk7R)

I could very easily see a Casey Jones who lives in the basement of his widowed mother's apartment building. Maybe he tried to get to college on a hockey scholarship, maybe he didn't even try. Though now he's barely making ends meet by being a bouncer at a dive bar and getting room and board covered by being the building's handyman.

The neighborhood he's in is in that down place before gentrification starts to reabsorb it, and so there's a lot of gang activity. Maybe he's sick of the Stop and Frisk procedures that treat him like a criminal even though he isn't one. Maybe he had a friend gunned down after buying skittles and an Arizona Iced Tea. But something in him gets sick of waiting for the cops to do their jobs.

So he puts on a mask and does their job for them.

[pennydreadful]

Yeah I thought this myself actually, I'll keep it as a personal head-canon. I think if he gets it, he gets it from his mother's side.

For some reason I just think this a wonderful idea. It's head-canon for me too now. :P

... thirded. :)

[scratch]

Casey is a lone wolf character so his race does not matter at all.

[Joey Kamikaze]

http://epicdemotivational.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/demotivational-posters-racism.png

This thread made me giggle. :lol:


Seriously man, hang out here for a few months and then see if you still feel the same about Cubed's posts... seriously, they ain't no assumptions - this is his trademark thing/performance art.You know, I've been here like a year and I've wondered before if he was trolling or just "obstruce." If it's the former, <3

[musashi-kamiizumi]

Yeah I thought this myself actually, I'll keep it as a personal head-canon. I think if he gets it, he gets it from his mother's side.

Oh my god. I want a native american Casey. That sounds amazing. Biracial Casey Jones headcanon accepted.

[Leo656]

I don't start threads because there's no way they'd be better than Cubed's threads. He's a way better heel than I am, and I once beat up Marty Jannetty just for bumping into me.

[Warhorse]

I have to agree. Remember that despite being New Yorkers they are also all Turtles raised by the same parent. THAT'S what would inform their personalities. If anything they'd all be different stripes of 2nd generation Japanese raised by an immigrant from Japan.

To the point of Casey....sure. All I care about is if the actor can do the job and if they can BE Casey, and Casey's a crazy vigilante armed with sports equipment...could be any race, really.

I don't know if I can buy this. I was raised by NY parents, my father was heavily influenced by his German heritage, but funny enough, I was born and raised in Florida, and people swear up and down that my accent sounds more Spanish than anything, and I don't have any Spanish in my recent blood. But, I grew up around Spanish friends, and maybe their way of talking rubbed off on me. Then of course, when I go back up to New York, relatives think my southern drawl is cute as heck. So, I have a southern drawl/Spanish kind of accent, despite my parents being from NY, the products of German and Italian immigrants.

The Turtles all were probably influenced to a degree, the TV the most. Donny would have a normal accent because of his work with electronics. Leo, more formal because of Splinter. Mikey more laid back because of the TV, and Raphael, I totally can buy the urban/Brooklyn accent due to him going top side more than the others.

[MajorViolence]

How about John Boyega?

http://www.moviescopemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/John-Boyega.jpg

All kinds of yes.

[Warhorse]

Also imagine a tall black man interacting with Megan Fox in the sequel. They would work well together.

Then, they should just get Tyrese.

All kinds of yes.

He's in Star Wars now! I'm not sure if he can find the time to make a TMNT movie.

[MajorViolence]

Then, they should just get Tyrese.



He's in Star Wars now! I'm not sure if he can find the time to make a TMNT movie.

Star Wars will have wrapped filming by the time they start work on TMNT 2

[Warhorse]

Star Wars will have wrapped filming by the time they start work on TMNT 2

What makes you think it's going to stop with just one film?

[909 Turtle Fan]

They should make Casey Italian, Duh :trolleye:

[Werecat]

The only one reading into it is you. Casey being black doesn't mean that he has to fit the "Angry Black Man" stereotype. It's ASSUMING as much that's racist.

And saying April would be great as a strong black woman..."because she doesn't need a man" plays into a stereotype in itself.

You accuse Cubed of trolling, but part of me has to wonder the one who turned this thread into anything other than a, 'What's keeping Casey from being anything but "Base Wasp"?' discussion.
I am losing all respect for you Jester, you are just proving to be an insensitive racist. I am not reading into it. It is quite obvious through his wording and intent that he is sharing a racist statement.

[METALHEAD]

rather he be mexican-american

[Coola Yagami]

http://epicdemotivational.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/demotivational-posters-racism.png

This thread made me giggle. :lol:

You know, I've been here like a year and I've wondered before if he was trolling or just "obstruce." If it's the former, <3

Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow. I never noticed that. I never figured the Charlie Brown gang to be all like 'I'm not sitting next to the black kid'.

[Werecat]

http://epicdemotivational.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/demotivational-posters-racism.png

This thread made me giggle. :lol:

You know, I've been here like a year and I've wondered before if he was trolling or just "obstruce." If it's the former, <3

Lol That made me giggle. Sometimes Racism is subtle and this is definitely one of those times.

[Anton Chigurh]

I don't care what race as long as he is fugging crazy that fights him appliances!!!

[Xav]

I wonder if anyone asked Peter on his blog about it.He said on his blog he always pictured April as white.

I would actually rather they bring back Carter than make Casey black.

[pennydreadful]

... having racial diversity in entertainment is propaganda now? Boy, is my finger not on the pulse of the world today. I had no idea that white dudes were such an oppressed group. :roll:

[plastroncafe]

If there's one demographic group that's sorely underrepresented in modern American entertainment, it's Sociopathic white guys.

[pennydreadful]

I thought it was heterosexual white guys. Didn't the Gay and Feminist Agendas castrate and crush them, and now they live in scattered groups underground, subsisting on scraps at the fringes of society?

Those poor, brave men.

[plastroncafe]

I thought it was heterosexual white guys. Didn't the Gay and Feminist Agendas castrate and crush them, and now they live in scattered groups underground, subsisting on scraps at the fringes of society?

Those poor, brave men.

#NotAllMen

[Xav]

... having racial diversity in entertainment is propaganda now? Boy, is my finger not on the pulse of the world today. I had no idea that white dudes were such an oppressed group. :roll:Way to take what I said completely out of context. :roll:

[Netkeeper]

Nah, Penny SHOULD have called you a racist.

Because you are.

[psychturtle]

Who cares if Casey is African American? the character would still be intact either way.....

[Leo656]

That reminds me, am I supposed to be watching "The Boondocks"? Cuz it's pretty f***ing funny, but I always feel like I'm about to get arrested for watching it.

[psychturtle]

I smell the ban hammer gracing this thread soon lol

[Leo656]

I smell the ban hammer gracing this thread soon lol

Come now, if people got banned for vaguely racist statements they'd have to lock down the entire internet. Don't jump to conclusions like some ignorant Swede. Things were going fine until one or two people jumped in and started trying to Portugese up the place.

[Netkeeper]

HAHAHAHA
**** you, you mother****ing piece of ****. I'm not a racist I don't want characters used for propaganda or to push someones agenda regardless of race.
Oh? That's a pretty racist thing to say.
I would actually rather they bring back Carter than make Casey black.
So is this.

[arkangel]

Shredder's nationality is key to his character. Casey started out as "base wasp" (for lack of a better term). His being white doesn't change or inform his character....he just happens to be white. Making him another nationality doesn't take from his character, where as taking Shredder's nationality does.

I agree completely. Shredder being Japanese is important to his character.
I also feel that Baxter should be black like the original source material and considering that my perspective comes from the original black and white Mirage comics, I think that Zoey Seldana would have been absolutely amazing as April, because she's a great actress and I don't have a set perspective of her original character as being black OR white.
As for Casey, I'm not particularly invested one way or the other, as long as he has a strong, brotherly, love/hate, buddies till the end, and sometimes cuttingly hilarious relationship with Raph. That what has defined Casey for me character wise. That my 2 cents and I own it. :)

[Leo656]

Nah, Zoe Saldana kinda looks like a grasshopper.

[Commenter 42]

And with that as the starting premise I'm instantly reminded of the internet campaign to make Donald Glover the next Spider-man.

You can read his thoughts on the fallout that...well fell out here. (http://imgur.com/gallery/1hk7R)



Sorry, I stopped reading your post after clicking the imgur link.

Speechless.

If I'd been Donald Glover in that moment, I would have gone postal. People are so bloody hateful. I can't imagine what that must have felt like.

This is why threads like this are so wrong.

Nah, Zoe Saldana kinda looks like a grasshopper.
Dude, the green paint washes off...now I'm imagining the green washing off...and now all I can think is Zoe Saldana. Why did you do that!
Seriously, the beauty, the brains, talented, athletic, (You should see her in Colombiana. Deadly.) She's the whole package.

[terrorblade]

I don't think they will going to change another character's race again after the internet uproar against a white Shredder.
Although I'm not really sure if a black, hispanic or gay Shredder would have caused the same controversy as a white-washed Shredder.

[Leo656]

Dude, the green paint washes off...now I'm imagining the green washing off...and now all I can think is Zoe Saldana. Why did you do that!
Seriously, the beauty, the brains, talented, athletic, (You should see her in Colombiana. Deadly.) She's the whole package.

I actually said that she looked like a grasshopper a few years ago, on account of she's all oddly-long and slender with extremely long, thin limbs and large, wide eyes. I forgot she was that chick in GotG until you just reminded me, but now that I think of it... HAH! That's funny when I look at pictures. :lol: She's pretty, I guess... but that's honestly the very first thing I thought when I first saw her, for some reason... :lol:

[Commenter 42]

I actually said that she looked like a grasshopper a few years ago, on account of she's all oddly-long and slender with extremely long, thin limbs and large, wide eyes. I forgot she was that chick in GotG until you just reminded me, but now that I think of it... HAH! That's funny when I look at pictures. :lol: She's pretty, I guess... but that's honestly the very first thing I thought when I first saw her, for some reason... :lol:

Not to be that guy, but yeah, she's up there for me. Her and Paula Patton, who would have made a great April as well.

[arkangel]

That's really the sad part of the whole Shredder debacle. They should have either stuck with their original plan and kept Fichtner as the Shredder or had a Japanese actor from the start. Trying to switch gears at the last minute, made an incoherent mess and did more of a diservice to both Fichtner and the fans.

[Leo656]

Not to be that guy, but yeah, she's up there for me. Her and Paula Patton, who would have made a great April as well.


I never said I wouldn't hit it. My standards are pretty wide open, guy. 8)

[Commenter 42]

I don't think they will going to change another character's race again after the internet uproar against a white Shredder.
Although I'm not really sure if a black, hispanic or gay Shredder would have caused the same controversy as a white-washed Shredder.

I'm pretty sure it would have.

[arkangel]

Come now, if people got banned for vaguely racist statements they'd have to lock down the entire internet. Don't jump to conclusions like some ignorant Swede. Things were going fine until one or two people jumped in and started trying to Portugese up the place.

:lol: You rock bro.

[Xav]

HAHAHAHA

Oh? That's a pretty racist thing to say.

So is this.
So telling someone to **** off who called you racist is racist? Saying you don't want a character used for propaganda regardless of race is racist? Or saying you would rather they invent a new character or reinvent an old charactor is racist? So now wanting creativity is racist? I guess we should never create any more minority characters or use the ones we have because that's racist.

[Leo656]

:lol: You rock bro.

That is generally the gimmick, yes. :)

So telling someone to **** off who called you racist is racist? Saying you don't want a character used for propaganda regardless of race is racist? Or saying you would rather they invent a new character or reinvent an old charactor is racist? So now wanting creativity is racist? I guess we should never create any more minority characters or use the ones we have because that's racist.

Dude, the way you take such great offense to being called racist is sending a strong signal, to me, that you're racist against racists, which is the most racist thing anyone could ever think of. It's like you're creating some kind of self-expanding racism paradox.

[Commenter 42]

I never said I wouldn't hit it. My standards are pretty wide open, guy. 8)

:lol:
Sorry, felt the thread could use some humor.

As you were...

[Leo656]

:lol:
Sorry, felt the thread could use some humor.

Too late, they already let me in. Ho ho ho.

[Commenter 42]

That is generally the gimmick, yes. :)



Dude, the way you take such great offense to being called racist is sending a strong signal, to me, that you're racist against racists, which is the most racist thing anyone could ever think of. It's like you're creating some kind of self-expanding racism paradox.

Oh no, not the racism paradox!!!!
Everybody, get under your desks!
http://images.dailykos.com/images/88780/small/Duck-and-Cover.jpg?1402541866
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3eqAA2BehnY/TrDK3h4vaSI/AAAAAAAAEus/WNylSCZtJTs/s320/duck-and-cover.jpg
http://www.drunkard.com/issues/56/images/bert-the-turtle.jpg

[Leo656]

Holy sh*t, Mikey got a second job? :lol:

[pennydreadful]

So telling someone to **** off who called you racist is racist? Saying you don't want a character used for propaganda regardless of race is racist? Or saying you would rather they invent a new character or reinvent an old charactor is racist? So now wanting creativity is racist? I guess we should never create any more minority characters or use the ones we have because that's racist.

You're equating having racial diversity with propaganda. Last I checked, nobody was planning on having a black Casey Jones so that he can get the Turtles to join the Black Panthers and kill whitey.

http://media.tumblr.com/d4ed7c16aa6925fbba600ab9d704fcbb/tumblr_inline_mjwzt0xaEq1qz4rgp.gif

But hey, this thread's turned into an argument, so at least Cubed should be happy.

[Leo656]

But hey, this thread's turned into an argument, so at least Cubed should be happy.
http://artsandsciences.colorado.edu/ctp/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/batman_of_the_ages_by_qbatmanp-d53p4lf.jpg

A racial argument and a big ol' pile of Batman. Kid's gonna think it's his Birthday.

[Xav]

You're equating having racial diversity with propaganda. Last I checked, nobody was planning on having a black Casey Jones so that he can get the Turtles to join the Black Panthers and kill whitey.

http://media.tumblr.com/d4ed7c16aa6925fbba600ab9d704fcbb/tumblr_inline_mjwzt0xaEq1qz4rgp.gif

But hey, this thread's turned into an argument, so at least Cubed should be happy.No I'm not. I'm equating using a character to push your agenda as propaganda. Nothing to do with racial diversity.

[Candy Kappa]

So, a black Casey is propaganda?

Why?

[Commenter 42]

So, a black Casey is propaganda?

Why?

The illuminati, the Greys, Bigfoot, or lizard people.

Take your pick of crazy I guess. 8)

No I'm not. I'm equating using a character to push your agenda as propaganda. Nothing to do with racial diversity.

Bonus round: explain?

But seriously cubed, why? Why do this?
http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2wbwkc84x1ru37dno1_500.gif
Alfred? Leo was right, it must be your birthday. Who wants cake?

[Leo656]

If Professor Griff played Black Casey and hollered "The Jews Are Wicked And We Can Prove This!" right before hitting guys with baseball bats, that would definitely be propaganda.

[Candy Kappa]

But, I wanna hear it from the horse's mouth :lol:

[Candy Kappa]

okay? Go on, please in details.

[arkangel]

What if you're racist against people who are overly-racist against racists?
Like.... when you can't stand people that are so politically correct and culturally sensitive that you have to have your comments sterilized by a human right's lawyer before you post? Not saying I am. Wouldn't want to be labelled. :lol:

Thank God the "triple racist paradox" only exists on Earth 2 with the 99 cheese pizza.

[Leo656]

This is getting f***ing awesome.

[Commenter 42]

Saying Suggests he wants the character to be some kind of liberal propaganda machine and not the superhero parody he was created to be.

Vigilante's are liberals?

Lizard people it is then.

[Candy Kappa]

Saying Suggests he wants the character to be some kind of liberal propaganda machine and not the superhero parody he was created to be.

fleshing out his back-story to more then "A dude watching TV decides to beat up criminals." is propaganda?

[pennydreadful]

Xav, are you actually Rush Limbaugh?

[Candy Kappa]

Rush do look a bit scaly...

[Leo656]

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h152/timepuzzler/lizard.png

[Candy Kappa]

Is it an agenda though?

[Technogeek29]

Hahahahaha I almost regret leaving this part of the boards. You guys say the wierdest things.:lol:

[Commenter 42]

Just to summarize what we've learned so far today:

If you're Black, and you fight crime, you have an agenda, which is to promote the "liberal agenda" otherwise known as propaganda.

If you're white, and fight crime, you're a parody of a vigilante.

hunh...

Anyone else taking notes?

[Candy Kappa]

So, who's the real vigilante?

[Technogeek29]

Just to summarize what we've learned so far today:

If you're Black, and you fight crime, you have an agenda, which is to promote the "liberal agenda" otherwise known as propaganda.

If you're white, and fight crime, you're a parody of a vigilante.

hunh...

Anyone else taking notes?

I better not fight crime than. Lord know what the media will do.

[Commenter 42]

So, who's the real vigilante?

Oh that would be Rush, the ignorant crusader, or dark-knight-lite.

[Netkeeper]

So this thread became the roast of the racist while I was away? You've met my approval.

[Xav]

Just to summarize what we've learned so far today:

If you're Black, and you fight crime, you have an agenda, which is to promote the "liberal agenda" otherwise known as propaganda.

If you're white, and fight crime, you're a parody of a vigilante.

hunh...

Anyone else taking notes?
That's not what I said at all.
So this thread became the roast of the racist while I was away? You've met my approval.You clearly have no idea what that word means.

[Netkeeper]

You clearly have no idea what that word means.
I know what it means to roast somebody.

[Commenter 42]

That's not what I said at all.
You clearly have no idea what that word means.

You know, it all happened so fast, I must have gotten confused.

Explain it, one more time, from the top would you?

[Xav]

I know what it means to roast somebody.No I mean racist. You seem to think it means someone who has a different opinion from you.

[Netkeeper]

No I mean racist. You seem to think it means someone who has a different opinion from you.
Nope, I know what a racist is. It's you that doesn't know what a racist is.

You say you'd rather them bring back a character than see Casey as one of "teh evil black ppl". You say including racial diversity in media is part of some kind of "propaganda" instead of, you know, representing people that actually exist. The world has LOTS of racially diverse people. The media is full of white people. This is a serious problem. I can't tell you how many POC I'm friends with tell me they liked [x] POC character because it was somebody cool that was like them. Lack of racial diversity implies that people that aren't white can't be included.

[Technogeek29]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6z1lozAF01ro8cnpo1_500.gif

Now, now let's not fight.

[Leo656]

Lack of racial diversity implies that people that aren't white can't be included.

What about hockey? Is hockey still okay?

[Xav]

You know, it all happened so fast, I must have gotten confused.

Explain it, one more time, from the top would you?:sigh: I don't want the TMNT franchise to push any particular political agenda.
Nope, I know what a racist is. It's you that doesn't know what a racist is.

You say you'd rather them bring back a character than see Casey as one of "teh evil black ppl". You say including racial diversity in media is part of some kind of "propaganda" instead of, you know, representing people that actually exist. The world has LOTS of racially diverse people. The media is full of white people. This is a serious problem. I can't tell you how many POC I'm friends with tell me they liked [x] POC character because it was somebody cool that was like them. Lack of racial diversity implies that people that aren't white can't be included.Casey isn't evil so making him black wouldn't make him an "evil black person" unless you think being black makes you evil. I never said racial diversity was propaganda a said pushing a certain view point is propaganda. You think the only way to add racial diversity is to change a characters race. Personally I think that is a creatively bankrupt and lazy way to add racial diversity. What's wrong with creating a new character or using an existing one? I would rather have a black character that has his own unique backstory and history, than a pattern swaped version of an existing character.

[Technogeek29]

:sigh: I don't want the TMNT franchise to push any particular political agenda.
Casey isn't evil so making him black wouldn't make him an "evil black person" unless you think being black makes you evil. I never said racial diversity was propaganda a said pushing a certain view point is propaganda. You think the only way to add racial diversity is to change a characters race. Personally I think that is a creatively bankrupt and lazy way to add racial diversity. What's wrong with creating a new character or using an existing one? I would rather have a black character that has his own unique backstory and history, than a pattern swaped version of an existing character.

We do her name is Angel.

[pennydreadful]

This thread's become so farcical, I wouldn't be surprised if Clayton Bigsby showed up.

[Commenter 42]

What about hockey? Is hockey still okay?

Wow, just on the razors edge hunh...
https://soundcloud.com/kuploadr3/tears-for-fears-sowing-the-seeds-of-love#t=0:36

[Xav]

We do her name is Angel.And what's wrong with Angel? Is there any reason why we can't bring her into the Nick series or the movie universe? Wouldn't that add racially diversity?

[Technogeek29]

And what's wrong with Angel? Is there any reason why we can't bring her into the Nick series or the movie universe? Wouldn't that add racially diversity?

Sorry worded that wrong I mean't use her. I like her and she needs more spotlight. She has a huge cult following on tumblr. And has recdntly shown up in IDW.

[Netkeeper]

Casey isn't evil so making him black wouldn't make him an "evil black person" unless you think being black makes you evil. I never said racial diversity was propaganda a said pushing a certain view point is propaganda. You think the only way to add racial diversity is to change a characters race. Personally I think that is a creatively bankrupt and lazy way to add racial diversity. What's wrong with creating a new character or using an existing one? I would rather have a black character that has his own unique backstory and history, than a pattern swaped version of an existing character.
Wow. At this point I'm reasonably SURE you have to be being dense on purpose.

YOU think a character being black is bad. You outright SAID it when you said you'd rather them use a different character than make Casey black, as if it was SO AWFUL to make a white guy black, which, by the way, it isn't. If they created a new character that took Casey's place but wasn't white, people would just call the new character a poor man's Casey. Just look at Nick Fury. Making him black didn't take away from his appeal at all. Nick Fury's ****ing awesome.

We do her name is Angel.
Also I just wanted to say that Angel is ****ing awesome.

[Commenter 42]

Is everybody having fun?
8)

I've always assumed Casey Jones was really just Kevin Eastman in a Jason mask.
Kevin likes the spotlight, and I think it was his way of becoming part of the book.

[Prowler]

Come now, if people got banned for vaguely racist statements they'd have to lock down the entire internet. Don't jump to conclusions like some ignorant Swede. Things were going fine until one or two people jumped in and started trying to Portugese up the place.
What did I do, man? :(

[MajorViolence]

What makes you think it's going to stop with just one film?

How many actors drop all other projects due to being in a big franchise? The Star Wars movies aren't coming out back to back. There will be plenty of time in between filming for the guy to do other projects.

[turtlefanforever]

i feel like a black Casey would pretty much be Shaft so if you're going that route use Shaft ! or Carter

[plastroncafe]

And what's wrong with Angel? Is there any reason why we can't bring her into the Nick series or the movie universe? Wouldn't that add racially diversity?

Yes, but it would also add am unwanted bit of female diversity to the Nick show. Haven't you heard? There's already a good girl and bad girl. We're full up on girls.

Do sayeth the person that apparently makes all of Platinum Dune's storytelling and casting decisions. Woo promotion!

[Coola Yagami]

Nick Fury is black in the Ultimate comics... And modeled after Samuel L Jackson... So he doesn't really count. Movie Nick is black cause comics Nick is black.

I agree with whoever wants Casey to be the same. We don't need some black dude pretending to be Casey Jones. We also don't need 'random black dude shoved in there for the sake of putting a black dude in there'.

And also wtf with all this 'put black people into everything' jazz? I doubt they give two ***** wether or not Casey, Electro or Johnny Storm were white or black. If storm was casted by a white girl... There's be hell to pay... And the white comic book fans would be just as pissed as the black fans.

I just don't understand this sudden rash of race changing. I'm Mecican and I don't give a **** if the Avengers have a Mexican member and I won't raise a petition for April to be Latina. Can't someone just be a fan if a comic and cartoon and expect the big epic movie version to be similar enough?

Avengers and their related movies did it just fine. Why can't anyone else seem to get it?

[Netkeeper]

Nick Fury is black in the Ultimate comics... And modeled after Samuel L Jackson... So he doesn't really count. Movie Nick is black cause comics Nick is black.
He does count, because he's still black.

I agree with whoever wants Casey to be the same. We don't need some black dude pretending to be Casey Jones. We also don't need 'random black dude shoved in there for the sake of putting a black dude in there'.
If Casey's race was changed, he would still be Casey Jones, he wouldn't be a black guy pretending to be Casey Jones. He would literally be the same character.

It wouldn't be a random black dude. It'd be Casey Jones. An important part of the TMNT story. And it wouldn't be for the sake of putting a black dude in there -- it'd be for the sake of making sure non-white viewers feel included.

I'm Mecican and I don't give a **** if the Avengers have a Mexican member and I won't raise a petition for April to be Latina. Can't someone just be a fan if a comic and cartoon and expect the big epic movie version to be similar enough?
It's cool that you don't care about representation. No, really. But other people do, and that wish should be respected. It really isn't changing much because there are lots of white characters, but so few non-white ones, you know?

EDIT: I found a post that explains what I'm trying to say here. (http://timemachineyeah.tumblr.com/post/58648290519/this-is-a-jar-full-of-major-characters)

[Xav]

Wow. At this point I'm reasonably SURE you have to be being dense on purpose.

YOU think a character being black is bad. You outright SAID it when you said you'd rather them use a different character than make Casey black, as if it was SO AWFUL to make a white guy black, which, by the way, it isn't. If they created a new character that took Casey's place but wasn't white, people would just call the new character a poor man's Casey. Just look at Nick Fury. Making him black didn't take away from his appeal at all. Nick Fury's ****ing awesome.


Also I just wanted to say that Angel is ****ing awesome.I never said a character being black is bad. I said I would rather them use an existing character than change the race of a character. I don't want any characters race changed. I don't want a white Saki, white Stockman, or white Yoshi. Also what's wrong with Carter? I understand he's not a popular character, but he could be reinvented as a good character. Look at Secret of the Ooze, Keno worked fine as a character and he wasn't just an Asian Casey. I don't see a reason to make a character black when we have a perfectly good black character who could fill his role. You don't want more more black characters, you want white characters to be replaced with black versions of themselves. You want less white characters, I want more black characters that have unique history's.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

As I said in a diffrent thread; Since we're borrowing so much from IDW for the turtles movies, let's do something radically diffrent! Instead of bringing in Casey Jones for the 1,000th time as the Turtles vigilante friend, why not take a page from IDW and bring Angel Bridge in as the vigilante hero Nobody? I think it might add a new dyanamic to the fights, and a new dynamic to the turtles's friendship with thier vigilante ally.

It'd add a heck of a lot more diversity to the movies, and not 'change' Casey Jones.

[CyberCubed]

Wow, what's with all the arguing going on in this thread?

Who knew such an innocent thread about Casey being black would cause such arguments and strife between forum members? Do tell.

[BabyTurtles]

so....I'm all for adding Angel in :D anyone else???

heck if Angel is black then they can make her Casey's sister~

or keep Casey white and have Angel or Casey adopted.

..................actually I don't care what race Casey is I just want Angel :D

[Mr.Green]

I personally do not want Casey to be black just for the sake of it. If the perfect actor for Casey turns out to be black, then go for it (like they did with Kingpin in the Daredevil movie) but doing it because they feel the need to ad diversity is what I don't want.

My pick for Casey is Aaron Paul. I think his voice is perfect for the character.

Also, I think that people who are actively looking for race representation are the racist. I'm not white and I don't care about race representation. I just want the comic/cartoon translated into film. If the comics are all white characters, blame the comic creators, not the filmakers that are adapting the comics.

[marcelangelo]

I'm kinda surprised Casey being black hasn't been thought of before. It actually fits his character surprisingly well.

So being Black is now a character Trade huh?...you even Repeated your stupid Statement...i dont get this Place here sometimes...why do so Mann People get banned here but this bozo gets to do this time and Time again

[plastroncafe]

A question for the ages, to be sure.

[arkangel]

Wow, what's with all the arguing going on in this thread?

Who knew such an innocent thread about Casey being black would cause such arguments and strife between forum members? Do tell.


I'm betting YOU did. :lol:

[Coola Yagami]

He does count, because he's still black.


If Casey's race was changed, he would still be Casey Jones, he wouldn't be a black guy pretending to be Casey Jones. He would literally be the same character.

It wouldn't be a random black dude. It'd be Casey Jones. An important part of the TMNT story. And it wouldn't be for the sake of putting a black dude in there -- it'd be for the sake of making sure non-white viewers feel included.


It's cool that you don't care about representation. No, really. But other people do, and that wish should be respected. It really isn't changing much because there are lots of white characters, but so few non-white ones, you know?

EDIT: I found a post that explains what I'm trying to say here. (http://timemachineyeah.tumblr.com/post/58648290519/this-is-a-jar-full-of-major-characters)

Then put a black character in there. But be a new character don't grab someone that already exists and change their race. Hell Eric Sachs could have been black He turned out to be an original character anyway. Nobody was black, put him in there.


And you misunderstood. Nick being black does not count as a race change. He was black in the comics.

[plastroncafe]

Nick Fury being black most certainly counts as a race change, both in the comics and in the movies.

David Hasselhoff played the character years before Sam Jackson did, because in the Marvel Universe Fury is a white guy.

In the Ultimate Marvel Universe he's black. The current Marvel Movie continuity draws from the Ultimate books.

[Candy Kappa]

But, Movie Nick might be visually taken from the Ultimate comics, he is more closer in personality to his 616 paler counterpart, it counts as a race change.

[Xav]

Nobody was black, put him in there.Nobdy was black? I thought he was white?

[plastroncafe]

Nobdy was black? I thought he was white?

Nope. Sorry.
http://turtlepedia.wikia.com/wiki/Nobody_(2003_TV_series)
http://turtlepedia.wikia.com/wiki/Officer_Longer_(Mirage)

[Xav]

I'm talking about his race not his costume.

[plastroncafe]

So am I, but I added the links just in case.
He's a black cop out of Springfield, if memory serves.
I don't know that we see his face until Tales of TMNT Vol. 2.

[Xav]

I just remembered his face from Nobody's Fool, and he looked Caucasian in that.

[plastroncafe]

I just scanned the episode, thanks to Youtube, and I don't know that we see his face at all.

Though...wow, kudos to the production staff of the 2k3 cartoon, the animation still looks nice.

[Xav]

Well, yeah it was a flashback and his face was in the shadows, but he didn't look black to me.

[KROW]

More than anything I think the turtles should be more racially diverse. NYC is a total melting pot, it'd be dope to have like a puerto rican Mikey, black Raph, asian Leo, & white Donnie. At least I think so. Ya know, with respect to voice actors & whatnot.

Why does Raph got to be the black one? Because he's angry? You saying all black people are hotheads? Huh? And why does Leo got to be Asian and Donnie white? You saying only white people can be smart enough to invent things and only Asians respect Asian culture and suck up to their senseis? Huh? HUH?

:P

I think a black Casey would be interesting and not really a big change, as long as the actor stayed true to the essence of the character.

[Jester]

Indeed. "Young man who is sick of the crime in his neighborhood and becomes a self-styled vigilante to put an end to it." could be any race, really.

[Sighphi]

Why does Raph got to be the black one? Because he's angry? You saying all black people are hotheads? Huh? And why does Leo got to be Asian and Donnie white? You saying only white people can be smart enough to invent things and only Asians respect Asian culture and suck up to their senseis? Huh? HUH?

:P

I think a black Casey would be interesting and not really a big change, as long as the actor stayed true to the essence of the character.

WORD!
http://i.imgur.com/QyrbXoG.jpg

Don is obviously the black one cause he is darker than the rest.
Leo is Latin cause he has a tan.
Raph is the lightest one so HE is the white one.
Mike is Samoan or something.


Casey shouldnt be black cause a black hockey player is more unrealistic than mutated turtles.




Joking, it would be fine.

[zodiac brave]

rather he be mexican-american

RAZA!

Nah, Zoe Saldana kinda looks like a grasshopper.

i almost spewed h20from my nostrils, when i read this. i never knew that i needed this image of her in my mind, but now that its there, im forever thankful.

Also, I think that people who are actively looking for race representation are the racist. I'm not white and I don't care about race representation. I just want the comic/cartoon translated into film. If the comics are all white characters, blame the comic creators, not the filmakers that are adapting the comics.

why NOT blame the filmmakers? if they're adapting the piece, then its entirley in their power to make these types of changes, that-AGAIN-

A) ...don't matter as long as their race isnt specific to their background or character motivation.

B) ...could allow for more diversity (IE REPRESENTATION) for people who may actually want it and feel like they should have it.

i mean, i get that you (and coola) don't care, but a lot of other people do.

way to aim high, by the way, guys.

So being Black is now a character Trade huh?...you even Repeated your stupid Statement...i dont get this Place here sometimes...why do so Mann People get banned here but this bozo gets to do this time and Time again

seconded and thirded. i think i actually tried to make this point in anither thread just yesterday.

i mean, in general, tmnt fans seem to be a funny lot.

and this place apparently loves the "funny".

[ChaoticGood]

That would be fine. Unlike Shredder, Casey's ethnicity isn't an important part of who he is as a character.

[Coola Yagami]

That would be fine. Unlike Shredder, Casey's ethnicity isn't an important part of who he is as a character.

Except for the fact... that you know.... he's white.

And yes it is the comic creator fault. If the director wants to go for a faithful adaptation of a certain series, then he should stick with it...or go ahead and make his own story then.

Why is suddenly race something that is so easily dismissed and thrown away?

And why don't they ever put their money where their mouth is and make Superman black? Make Peter Parker Spiderman black. Make Steve Rogers Captain America black. Make Thor and Loki black. Make April black. Make Batman black. I mean why does the minor/sidekick/side characters get the race treatment but the main character or main hero gets away with being white still? Or just make a whole new superhero series of their own.

Hell, look at the Incredibles. A completely all-new original superhero movie (even though the powers were borrowed from other heroes). Why weren't THEY a black family? I doubt it would have changed their appeal. To this day people wish they made a sequel. Why aren't the Spy Kids black? Why wasn't Lucy a black woman?

[zodiac brave]

Except for the fact... that you know.... he's white.

And yes it is the comic creator fault. If the director wants to go for a faithful adaptation of a certain series, then he should stick with it...or go ahead and make his own story then.

Why is suddenly race something that is so easily dismissed and thrown away?

And why don't they ever put their money where their mouth is and make Superman black? Make Peter Parker Spiderman black. Make Steve Rogers Captain America black. Make Thor and Loki black. Make April black. Make Batman black. I mean why does the minor/sidekick/side characters get the race treatment but the main character or main hero gets away with being white still? Or just make a whole new superhero series of their own.

Hell, look at the Incredibles. A completely all-new original superhero movie (even though the powers were borrowed from other heroes). Why weren't THEY a black family? I doubt it would have changed their appeal. To this day people wish they made a sequel. Why aren't the Spy Kids black? Why wasn't Lucy a black woman?

*facepalm*

its like watching a puppy trying to get at a ball behind a plate of glass.

you can explain the why of the situation to them, but it won't matter because they can't comprehend...

[pennydreadful]

Word.

http://mischiefmanagedsite.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/12.gif

[chrisguyver]

Fine with me just needs to be able to act actually I
Think it would be awsome if he was

[KROW]

And why don't they ever put their money where their mouth is and make Superman black? Make Peter Parker Spiderman black. Make Steve Rogers Captain America black. Make Thor and Loki black. Make April black. Make Batman black. I mean why does the minor/sidekick/side characters get the race treatment but the main character or main hero gets away with being white still? Or just make a whole new superhero series of their own.

The mantle of Spider-Man was taken by a black kid once. April was actually half-black in the comics, based on one of Kevin Eastman's exes. And Captain America is now black; Sam Wilson took over.

[Xav]

The mantle of Spider-Man was taken by a black kid once. April was actually half-black in the comics, based on one of Kevin Eastman's exes. And Captain America is now black; Sam Wilson took over.
Actually no April wasn't half-black in the comics at least according to Peter Laird, and the examples of Spider-Man and Captain America were other characters taking over the mantles they weren't race changed versions of existing characters.

[KROW]

Actually no April wasn't half-black in the comics at least according to Peter Laird, and the examples of Spider-Man and Captain America were other characters taking over the mantles they weren't race changed versions of existing characters.

According to Eastman, she is.

And I didn't think it mattered if this was about new people versus Nick Fury-type situations. The character is essentially the same in name and overall appearance, upholding similar ideals and morals -- ya know, the essence of the role in question.

[Leo656]

What did I do, man? :(

Oh I'unno. :lol: It's just fun to say. "Porrrr-choo-geeeeeeeese." :lol:

[arkangel]

April was actually half-black in the comics, based on one of Kevin Eastman's exes.

I knew it !! Somehow, subconsciously, I knew that I heard or read this somewhere. Thanks for sharing this little piece of trivia. Jessica Alba or Halle Berry would both make a great April, imo. :D

As for moving forward, why don't we insist on characters keeping their original race from the original source material and for newly created characters insist that the studios and talent agents follow the distribution table below in order to properly represent all races. (note : this is 5 years old but will suit our purposes)

World: 6.7 Billion

Whites:1.2 Billion =17%
Blacks:1 Billion=15%
Asians: 2.1 Billion=31%
Middle Easterners/Indians: 1.675 Billion= 25%
Native Americans/Mestizos: 250 Million= 4%
Others: 536 million= 8% (for actors we don't have a f'n clue where their mom or dad were born)

Benjamin Bratt and Lou Diamond Phillips apply for the same Western movie.
Casting Manager - hmm... have to keep the ratio to 4 percent. Ya ok, you're in.

[Coola Yagami]

Actually no April wasn't half-black in the comics at least according to Peter Laird, and the examples of Spider-Man and Captain America were other characters taking over the mantles they weren't race changed versions of existing characters.

Nope. That's why I specified Peter Parker and Steve Rogers. Miles Morales might be the Ultimate Spider-Man... but he is not Peter Parker. Hell, Miguel O' Hara and Ben Reilly weren't Peter Parker either. Sam Wilson is the new Captain America, but he is not Steve Rogers, anymore than Bucky was also not Steve Rogers when he took the mantle.

I'm not talking about the characters in themselves, not their superhero mantles. In both examples they either created a new character (Miles) or took an existing character (Falcon) to replace an established character. They didn't just go 'dur hur hur Steve Rogers was always black, Peter Parker is actually biracial'. They used different characters.

If you want to do that in a movie, then make new character or make movies about black (or whatever race you're hung up on) characters. Bring on a Storm solo movie. Make a Black Panther movie. Make a Luke Cage movie. Give Falcon a solo movie. Make a Static Shock movie. Make a (good) Steel movie. Make a Cyborg movie. Just do...something, instead of changing up what is established for the sake of change.

Also if one can't watch a movie/series without being all hung up and unable to relate because a member of their own race isn't being represented.... then maybe the movie is not for them. I've seen the Marvel movies and Nolan trilogy and what have you. Not once did the thought cross my mind that Batman should have been fighting Senor Joker-o or felt completely taken out of the movie cause Thor didn't have a big taste for tacos.

I mean, geez, you READ the comics and whatever the movies are based on. You KNOW what's coming. So why complain and demand Hollywood bend over backwards for you and switch races of the characters left and right for the hell of it.

And finally, I don't care if a certain race fits or doesn't fit the character. I pick up a comic and see a white Casey Jones, I kinda sorta expect a white Casey Jones on the big screen. Or were they racist when they cast Elias Koteas because they didn't choose a black dude instead?

[Netkeeper]

Real quick, in regards to April's race:

Kevin Eastman claims she was mixed race.
Peter Laird claims she was white.
Just take a ****ing look at early-Mirage April for your answer. That is no white woman.

[IMJ]

Creators need to create for diversity rather than retcon diversity. Some people are offended when others don't want their characters changed, but then disregard the offense that is felt by the people who love the established characters.

Create diversity, don't retcon it. Retconning diversity isn't an inclusionist tactic, it's an invasionist one. On the other hand, creating diversity adds to the culture. Don't change established characters. Create new ones.

[MajorViolence]

today I learned that making the ninja turtles 6.5 foot beasts with noses and human lips is progress that I just have to deal with, but making a white character black is invasive and wrong.

[massakre]

Just give me a Casey Jones character that is well written that is portrayed by a good actor. I don't care about his skin color at all.

there it is

Real quick, in regards to April's race:

Kevin Eastman claims she was mixed race.
Peter Laird claims she was white.
Just take a ****ing look at early-Mirage April for your answer. That is no white woman.


Amen, Im biracial myself and its pretty clear she is biracial in the early comics.

[zodiac brave]

today I learned that making the ninja turtles 6.5 foot beasts with noses and human lips is progress that I just have to deal with, but making a white character black is invasive and wrong.

knowledge is...power?

(white power!)

:P

:lol:

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Nope. Sorry.
http://turtlepedia.wikia.com/wiki/Nobody_(2003_TV_series)
http://turtlepedia.wikia.com/wiki/Officer_Longer_(Mirage)

And as I had pointed out, IDW's nobody is actually a biracial woman, and a very awesome character! :D And I know everyone else is 'Gotta have Casey gotta have Casey Gotta have Casey" but I'd much rather see IDW's Nobody, or heck even Mirage's nobody- over hockey stick boy again. (not saying the character isn't awesome, though!)

[Xav]

According to Eastman, she is.Except she isn't. She has no black parents. She's a drawing brought to life.

[plastroncafe]

So...adoptive parents aren't parents now?

[Xav]

I didn't say that. April parents are white, and even if they weren't being adopted by black people doesn't make you one.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Okay, at the time she was first written/drawn, she was a mixed race woman who was born normally like everyone else. Peter laterdecided to make her fully white, and brought in a stupid retcon involving Kirby's magic pencil that robbed her of being the turtles only fully normal anchor in reality. Can we all agree on that?

[thebrownranger]

As a kid growing up in the early 90s when every race had to be accounted for like in the BK Kids club/Captain Planet etc. I've always liked race variety but I hate it when they change the race of established characters; even when it works really well like Kingpin in Daredevil or Perry in MoS, it still bothers me that they changed the race
Yeah I'm all for racial variety (coming from a guy in the colored group), but it would just kinda bother me Casey being African American. I'm sure it could work well if done right, but it would just be weird to see an established character that I'm so familiar with changed.

More than anything I think the turtles should be more racially diverse. NYC is a total melting pot, it'd be dope to have like a puerto rican Mikey, black Raph, asian Leo, & white Donnie. At least I think so. Ya know, with respect to voice actors & whatnot.
Eh, I don't know if that would work well. Like a few others said, it would be hard to do that without pulling stereotypes. I kinda like the turtles that we've been given already (particularly Steve Barron's TMNT- although the only turtle I'd replace Cory Feldman's voice with is Adam Carl's from TMNT II).


The Turtles all were probably influenced to a degree, the TV the most. Donny would have a normal accent because of his work with electronics. Leo, more formal because of Splinter. Mikey more laid back because of the TV, and Raphael, I totally can buy the urban/Brooklyn accent due to him going top side more than the others.
I like this. Subtle, but noticeable nonetheless.

[Xav]

Okay, at the time she was first written/drawn, she was a mixed race woman who was born normally like everyone else. Peter laterdecided to make her fully white, and brought in a stupid retcon involving Kirby's magic pencil that robbed her of being the turtles only fully normal anchor in reality. Can we all agree on that?I think it really depends. She could look white or black depending on who was drawing her.

[plastroncafe]

I think there's more evidence for April being white than there is for her being black. Or at very least being light-skinned enough to pass for white.

Though honestly...it doesn't really matter to me one way or the other.
I mean, if I had the power over such things I'd have cast Jasika Nicole to play her in the new movie.

I'm more concerned about her having agency and a character arc of her own than I am about her ethnicity.

[Commenter 42]

The April debate never ends.

Let's go to the source!

Kevin Eastman on April O'neil :

Originally created as an "Asian" character in Peter's notes, but named after an "African American" woman Kevin once knew (his ex-wife), the character of April O'Neil was introduced in issue #2, and would have a bunch of different "looks" throughout the TMNT history. (Artobiography, p32)

Laird said this:

As the co-creator of the character of April O'Neil, and as someone who has always imagined her as white, and very likely of Irish/Scottish/English ancestry, I was not at all "unsettled" by the depictions of her as such in the various adaptations. Kevin may have had a different view, and I can't speak for him, but that's the way I always saw her. As for the coloring of her skin in the color reprints of the MIrage comics, Kevin always had a lot more input on that end of our business than I did, and in fact I'm pretty sure he did the colors on the initial such reprinting from First Comics, the one in graphic novel form. Make of that what you will. (Peter Laird TMNT blog, Nov 22, 2013)


Also, who's the "BigBad" mentioned here:
http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot.com/2013/11/ask-pl-11.html?showComment=1385160188784#c821835010366248 3794

[Xav]

So am I, but I added the links just in case.
He's a black cop out of Springfield, if memory serves.
I don't know that we see his face until Tales of TMNT Vol. 2.
I found a picture of Nobody unmasked, and he looks more like he's Asian to me.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-lCQivOqV89A/UOnOZNsJlQI/AAAAAAAAJpE/WNxi7aM4LN4/s1600/49-4.jpg

[arkangel]

This actress really fits the look of the Mirage April, imho. :)
Donnie would lose his mind.

[Commenter 42]

This actress really fits the look of the Mirage April, imho. :)

There is a striking similarity between those two images.

But not when you compare the actress to this page:
http://nymonsters.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/tmnt-2-1984.jpg?w=441&h=745

I think everyone reads a different race into her face, because her face had no consistency. She looks like 5 different women in 5 different panels.

Also Mirage April, wasn't black in the book, as stated by the artist's themselves.
People got perms in the 80's, it was just something women did, even men.

http://i.imgur.com/F6IENA1.jpg
https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3272/3001282053_8d80f7dc88.jpg
http://cdn.guyism.com/wp-content/uploads/perm-tom_hanks.jpeg

But I can see how you could draw a similarity between those images.

What is interesting, if April was actually meant to be "Asian", and Stockman was black, Shredder and minions were Japanese...then the only "whites" in the first two books were the gang members, who at best were background, and might arguabley not even be white.

So TMNT is actually quite diverse, at least prior to the OT.

[Warhorse]

Man, Hanks was such a baby face back then.

[CyberCubed]

The world isn't ready for a black April. People will have an easier time accepting a black Casey than April.

[arkangel]

My rebuttal..
Same actress (annie llonzeh) , different hairstyle..

[Candy Kappa]

She is pretty fitting visually as April, actually.

[Xav]

The world isn't ready for a black April. People will have an easier time accepting a black Casey than April.I don't really see how that is. April has comics you can point out where she looks black. You can't say the same for Casey.

[arkangel]

I don't really see how that is. April has comics you can point out where she looks black. You can't say the same for Casey.

I totally agree.
I like my Casey vanilla, my April mocha, and my Baxter sweet black chocolate. Off to watch a straight heterosexual movie now.

[Coola Yagami]

I don't really see how that is. April has comics you can point out where she looks black. You can't say the same for Casey.

Except everyone else expects April to be a readhead or some kind of news reporter. Fans will seriously flip their **** if a black April is announced.

Noone reads the comics. Especially the Mirage ones. Noone besides us anyway and we are a huge minority.

[CyberCubed]

I don't really see how that is. April has comics you can point out where she looks black. You can't say the same for Casey.

April is too much of a mainstream character. She's white with usually orange/red or brown hair. It would be like making Lois lane black.

Casey Jones being black can be something they can get away with.

[BabyTurtles]

April is too much of a mainstream character. She's white with usually orange/red or brown hair. It would be like making Lois lane black.

Casey Jones being black can be something they can get away with.

well.....
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XZ-thau2xnE/R1SGwmPELaI/AAAAAAAAAbE/sqLr36YoUok/s1600-R/LL106p1.jpg

[Xav]

April is too much of a mainstream character. She's white with usually orange/red or brown hair. It would be like making Lois lane black.

Casey Jones being black can be something they can get away with.True, but Casey is pretty mainstream too. He's in almost every form of TMNT media. Plus fans flipped out over the idea of a white Shredder. There were people upset over the race changes in The Last Airbender, Mandarin in Iron Man 3, Khan in Star Trek Into Darkness, and Johnny Storm in Fantastic Four. There's no doubt there would be people upset over a black Casey Jones.

[Netkeeper]

White Shredder and white Aang/Katara/Sokka are completely different things. Stripping a POC of that status is awful. Making a white character a different race isn't. I posted why earlier, did you not read it? (http://timemachineyeah.tumblr.com/post/58648290519/this-is-a-jar-full-of-major-characters)

[Bry]

My rebuttal..
Same actress (annie llonzeh) , different hairstyle..

So can we just reboot right now and make this happen?

White Shredder and white Aang/Katara/Sokka are completely different things. Stripping a POC of that status is awful. Making a white character a different race isn't. I posted why earlier, did you not read it? (http://timemachineyeah.tumblr.com/post/58648290519/this-is-a-jar-full-of-major-characters)

Totally with you on this. Most mainstream franchise characters are from 50+ years ago when minority representation was generally much worse than it is now, and newer characters have a much harder time getting mainstream attention than the old standards. It's insane to even consider taking some of them "away".

[MajorViolence]

So can we just reboot right now and make this happen?



Totally with you on this. Most mainstream franchise characters are from 50+ years ago when minority representation was generally much worse than it is now, and newer characters have a much harder time getting mainstream attention than the old standards. It's insane to even consider taking some of them "away".

Agreed completely.

[Xav]

White Shredder and white Aang/Katara/Sokka are completely different things. Stripping a POC of that status is awful. Making a white character a different race isn't. I posted why earlier, did you not read it? (http://timemachineyeah.tumblr.com/post/58648290519/this-is-a-jar-full-of-major-characters)How the hell is a white Shredder different from a white Aang/Katara/Sokka? They are both white versions of Asian characters. So now a white character is awful but a non-white character isn't? You just admitted you're a racist.

[Warhorse]

Oh, i know, let's make April and Casey Canadian!:P

[Jester]

Elias Koteas WAS Canadian....

[Slade]

Elias Koteas WAS Canadian....

He's not anymore?? :P

[Netkeeper]

How the hell is a white Shredder different from a white Aang/Katara/Sokka? They are both white versions of Asian characters. So now a white character is awful but a non-white character isn't? You just admitted you're a racist.
What the hell?

That isn't what I said at all. I said white Shredder and white Aang/Katara/Sokka are different from making a white character non-white.

Learn to read.

[Xav]

What the hell?

That isn't what I said at all. I said white Shredder and white Aang/Katara/Sokka are different from making a white character non-white.

Learn to read.
No you didn't you said. White Shredder and white Aang/Katara/Sokka are completely different things.Plus I have no idea what that has to do with the fact that there would be people upset with a black Casey Jones.

[Netkeeper]

Yes, I said they were different from changing a white character to a non-white character.

[arkangel]

Some good thought provoking ideas here.
I'm almost always of the belief that characters should remain the same race as they were originally created. I'm also pleased to see a lot more racial diversity in comics and cartoons.

After reading some of the above posts, and thinking on it further, I can see how a lot of people would have a fit over a non-white April. Since my biggest area of fandom is the Mirage comics from the 80s, I forget that the average movie go-er would be set on the more mainstream April (white, redhead, reporter)
From my perspective, however, I really don't feel like I'm trying to make a forced fit or change April to something she's not, as I've always viewed her as bi-racial and that the original cartoon changed her into a white redhead just like they made dramatic changes to the turtles.

Oh, and from MY perspective, the JEDI are bad. :lol:

[pennydreadful]

Oh, and from MY perspective, the JEDI are bad. :lol:

Don't make me get Plinkett in here... :lol:

[Coola Yagami]

Don't make me get Plinkett in here... :lol:

So... how bout we all shut up and leave the white people white, the black people black, asian people asian and so forth? If race isn't important to certain characters how bout we do something shocking and leave them the same race as conceived?

Instead of complaining, focus your energies on making the big comic/series/whatever and not make the main characters white. Or help the bigwigs know you want more multi-racial characters. After all it's the public media and general audience that made Batman so big. If noone watched or read, he'd be a forgotten Adam West fad. Give lots of love to Falcon, Cyborg, Static Shock, Storm, Blue Beetle, etc.

[plastroncafe]

So... how bout we all shut up and leave the white people white, the black people black, asian people asian and so forth?

How about No?

[pennydreadful]

LOL whut? I like complaining on the internet - it makes me feel special. :P Besides, I look so darn cute when I'm getting all indignant.

[KROW]

I think what we all can take away from this is that if Casey Jones were to be a black man in the next film, that it wouldn't really matter, as long as the movie stayed true to his character. Sure, it may be a surprise, but it wouldn't not make sense, either. The theory that it would be done to garner more of a black audience is pretty laughable, since there are plenty of black people who are fans of the franchise and really don't give a crap.

To do it just for the sake of making a character black can be categorized as just poor casting and lazy production... which we seemed to have gotten with this movie so it can be even less of a surprise. So, hey, no harm done! :D

[Warhorse]

So... how bout we all shut up and leave the white people white, the black people black, asian people asian and so forth? If race isn't important to certain characters how bout we do something shocking and leave them the same race as conceived?
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What about when they swap genders? They did that in Silent Hill and in the Robocop remake.

[plastroncafe]

Worked really well for the remake of Battlestar too.
Well...so long as you avoid the inane ramblings of the actor who played the role originally.