fox's fantastic four reboot

[Leo656]

I can't find it right now, but I read an interesting article yesterday that speculated on what might happen if Marvel did get the F4 rights back, or X-Men, or what have you. It raised some interesting points, the biggest being, there's only so many resources to go around, and if Marvel Studios had the rights to F4 and/or X-Men, then you don't get an Ant-Man movie. You don't get a Guardians of the Galaxy movie. Basically, if Marvel was able to make movies with all of their "big", established characters that people already know and care about, that's all they'd ever do because there's more money in it than making "risky" movies with lesser-known characters.

It was an interesting point. I'd be fine with it, personally, because nobody really cared about those smaller characters before their movies came out, anyway, and I'd rather see Good Movies with the characters people already like, who haven't been treated quite right by their handlers so far. I mean, I care equally as much for F4 as I do for Ant-Man - "Not Really" - but if you ask most people what they'd rather see, a Good F4 movie or a good Ant-Man movie, all else being equal F4 wins.

It was an interesting point that a lot of people may not be considering in their "Just give everything back to Marvel" approach. I agree, it'd be better on the whole, but a lot of the smaller, quirkier movies people are liking right now probably wouldn't get made, and that's something to consider.

[Bry]

This is glorious.

I don't want to read too much into two examples. But in short order, we've seen Pixels and Fantastic Four, two movies that took a wet dump on the geek/nostalgia properties they were using and the audiences that love them, majorly underwhelm at the box office. And it seems that was mostly due to awful reviews and word-of-mouth. It's a lot to hope for, but... I'm just praying that audiences have finally had enough of this crap.

Imagine if BayTurtles had gotten a similar reception a year ago? They'd have been talking a ground-up, maybe Mirage/IDW-inspired reboot the following Monday.

[TurtleTitan97]

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=123784

Apparently, they're still not giving up the F4 film rights.

https://40.media.tumblr.com/5f7894439de15d2a6f382db3ff33cc75/tumblr_inline_nstuf0qgPR1t8o4x1_540.png

If they are seriously thinking they can salvage the Fantastic 4 after this mess, they really would be idiots.

It's only a matter of time before they give in.

[Leo656]

Imagine if BayTurtles had gotten a similar reception a year ago? They'd have been talking a ground-up, maybe Mirage/IDW-inspired reboot the following Monday.

You're right. Too bad that by and large, TMNT fans are less discerning and more likely to accept anything and everything with the TMNT logo on it, and thus less likely to demand actual quality in their works.

You're right, though, it'd be nice.

[oldmanwinters]

Aw, well, maybe Fox can make a little of its money back with a DVD release of both the theatrical release and the "director's cut" ala Days of Future Past: The Rogue Cut.

[Leo656]

Pretty good Spoiler review. I hadn't happened upon anything yet that spelled out the entire movie. Gods, this looks/sounds even worse than I'd ever imagined. :lol:

http://news.yahoo.com/em-fantastic-four-em-spoilereview-202142980.html

No matter what the director says, I see nothing in that which could have been "saved". It's awful and misguided on every single level. No "director's cut" could fix any of that; they gave it to the wrong people, same as TMNT. Simple as that.

[oldmanwinters]

Pretty good Spoiler review. I hadn't happened upon anything yet that spelled out the entire movie. Gods, this looks/sounds even worse than I'd ever imagined. :lol:

http://news.yahoo.com/em-fantastic-four-em-spoilereview-202142980.html

No matter what the director says, I see nothing in that which could have been "saved". It's awful and misguided on every single level. No "director's cut" could fix any of that; they gave it to the wrong people, same as TMNT. Simple as that.

I'm always interested in seeing cuts of movies which were substantially different, even if it rarely makes the film qualify as "good." The Daredevil and Superman II: Richard Donner Cuts were both alright, and I'd really love to see what would have become of the TMNT 2014 prior to the reshoots.

[chrisdude]

Even though the movie was a collossal flop, why give the property away. If Fantastic Four has potential for Marvel Studios, is has potential for Fox. It's not like Fox is one person. They can hand the next movie to an entirely different creative team. Marvel might be able to make a better movie, and they might be able to make a higher earning movie. But it's all relative. If Fox thinks they can make a profitable sequel, spinoff, reboot or crossover, there's no reason to sign the property over to someone else. People talk like Fox is gonna hand FF back out of the goodness of their hearts, like, "This is what's best for the property. We just can't handle it."

[TurtleTitan97]

That's a pretty big IF though. If they can't even get them right after 3 times, they don't deserve to hold onto the rights.

But that's just my opinion.

[THGhost]

Don't even bother. You'll be better off.

I enjoy watching bad movies. I just don't enjoy paying for them. :lol:

Nope. Odd, but I don't recall one in DoFP, either. Maybe he's not doing them anymore.

Nope, nothing in DoFP. He was in Ant-Man though and he's gonna be in Deadpool too.

[CyberCubed]

Does anyone outside of comic nerds care about the Fantastic Four in general? They're a pretty boring superhero team, and if they didn't have "classic" status going for them, they would be forgettable.

Why bother with them when you have Spiderman, X-men and the Avengers?

[TurtleTitan97]

That is the most ridiculous thing you could possible say.

In the right hands, the FF could become the biggest thing since the Avengers.

[DarkLightDragon]

That is the most ridiculous thing you could possible say.

In the right hands, the FF could become the biggest thing since the Avengers.

Well it's CyberCubed, I'd say it's par on course.:lol:

[CyberCubed]

Fantastic Four have some of the most boring and redundant superpowers, and were only relevant back in the 60's and 70's. The only one remotely interesting is The Thing and he's basically Hulk 2.0.

[Leo656]

Yeah, I'm kind of with Cubed in this one. Sorry.

It should be, "The Fantastic 2 and their embarrassing sidekicks, Stretchy Guy and 'I Swear, She Was Standing Right Here A Second Ago' Girl". Thing and Torch have potential and are visually dynamic and interesting. That's not at all true of the so-called "Leaders" of the team.

[TurtleTitan97]

To be fair, Doctor Doom himself has stated that Susan is the most powerful member of the team.

And Reed is like, the smartest superhero out there in the Marvel Universe.

[Leo656]

Yeah, they do say that. :lol: And Batman once said Plastic Man was the most dangerous guy in the JLA. I don't buy either. :lol:

[MsMarvelDuckie]

This is true. However, Reed was also half responsible for the SHRA, which as we now know, turned out to be a huge mistake in-universe. Reed thought he was "helping", but instead he made things worse for heroes everywhere. Except Howard the Duck, apparently. He wasn't affected at all, because the government's official stance was- "he doesn't exist, so we won't even acknowledge him for the SHRA, because that would mean we have to admit he's real, and it would mean too much paperwork". I kid you not.

[TurtleTitan97]

And Batman once said Plastic Man was the most dangerous guy in the JLA. I don't buy either. :lol:

You should read Flashpoint: Legion of Doom then. Flashpoint Plastic Man is terrifying. :lol:

[JTH]

Fantastic Four have some of the most boring and redundant superpowers, and were only relevant back in the 60's and 70's. The only one remotely interesting is The Thing and he's basically Hulk 2.0.
Except he's The Hulk 1.0.

FF came out way before The Hulk did.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Good point. Hulk stole Thing's schtick!

[Leofan26]

I laugh at how bad this film is doing, whoever decided to write up this was just.. Freak the previous films versions were better than this, in my opinion these actors couldn't act that or the people that were working with them sucked. They didn't seem much like a team, previous films did a better job with that and why can't Fox get the villain right ever? I hope Fox lets Fantastic four stay dead, this was it's best chance to re due it for better but noooo it back fires on us. Look I'm not saying Fantastic Four is the most original concept but I'm one of the few people who enjoyed the series, Flaming Tourtch being my favorite character so yah not good guy's. You suck Fox!

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Not to nit-pick, but it's Human Torch, not Flaming Torch. Or Matchstick, if Peter Parker is addressing him, LOL! Now I want to see an FF/S-M crossover movie. With someone GOOD playing the roles. That pair would be gold.

[Leo656]

Like if they just did that one early story where he tried to "audition" for the F4, that'd be neat. Silly but neat.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Absolutely! I have that issue, BTW. So fun, and it fits better with the MCU than with Fox's X-verse. This is why FF needs to go BACK. They work better in that tone, and would add so much to that world.

[snake]

Watching this unfold is so fun.


The Trank Train chugs on. Poor guy will probably kill himself soon.

[Leo656]

Duckie: Believe it or not, I did read a lot of Spidey stuff as a kid. :P For some reason Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, and The Hulk were the characters I was the most into as a kid... probably because they were the ones my Dad was the most into, and he used to read the comics to me all the time from when I was just a baby, plus the old movies and TV shows were always on back then. It wasn't until I was about 8 and got really into Flash and Green Lantern that I started having a solid preference for DC. My Dad always kept up with Marvel since I was collecting all the DC stuff anyway, so I used to flip through his old books, especially the 80s/early-90s Spider-Mans. I kept up pretty good until the clone stuff started and I never really went back to it, or anything Marvel did. I'm still more likely to read those 80s books or reprints of the early, early stuff than anything from the last 20 years. I read some of the Fantastic 4 stuff too but it never grabbed me, unless Spider-Man or Wolverine or Hulk showed up. It's like the 4 were the least interesting heroes in their own book every time I read it. :lol:

What I used to like to do, since I couldn't read all the books, was keep up with the Marvel stuff by reading and memorizing the backs of all the trading cards. :lol: My Dad was an obsessive card collector, he had like every series of the cards, so I'd keep up that way. I liked how they'd measure all the characters' Power and Intelligence levels and stuff, that was neat.

[THGhost]

Watching this unfold is so fun.


The Trank Train chugs on. Poor guy will probably kill himself soon.

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[DarkLightDragon]

As someone who isn't a big FF fan either, but can't help to not look away from this trainwreck of a movie and it's fallout, I can't begin to imagine how they'd f*ck up other FF characters like Galactus than making him some big doom-cloud in the last movie.

I mean, if they couldn't make Doom's iconic look imposing, then I can't see how more or less ridiculous they'd make Galactus. Cause a a cloud is pretty much the standard of "ridiculous idea for a main villain or Big Bad" you could possibly push so far.

[TigerClaw]

Check out the B-Roll footage from the Fantastic Four movie, it has stuff I heard was cut from the movie.

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[Purse Grabbin Puke]

I find it kind of amusing the amount of people calling this movie a trainwreck and haven't even seen it...Not saying it was a great movie, but it was OK...it wasn't awful by any means. It was just meh. It was anticlimactic, it was emotionless, and it skipped a LOT of possible character building. It was more like a TV show, then canceled after the 2nd ep.

Also, I had no idea the director was the same guy who directed "Chronicle" which is maybe top 5 worst movies I've ever seen. I'd say compared to that trash, FF is an award winning film.

[TurtleTitan97]

In disappointing news, Fox is still determined to make a sequel according to Hitfix: http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=123847

If they actually consider making a sequel to this garbage, I hope it does worse than this film..

[Leo656]

Sony said at first they were still making Amazing Spider-Man 3 and the Sinister 6 movie, too, while ASM2 was stinking up theaters. They're just trying to save face. In a few months they'll announce that "plans are on hold temporarily while they try and decide the best way to proceed, in order to represent the characters and the F4 franchise in the best light possible."

Word-for-word. Just wait.

[Slap-Happy]

Yo, this movie isn't nearly as bad as everyone's saying it is. The first half is actually pretty great.

After that, it turns to sh*t, but it's still about as good as the sh*tfest that is the PD TMNT.

[chrisdude]

I definitely think it's better than the old two movies. My dad did, too. No one else I know has seen it.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Sony said at first they were still making Amazing Spider-Man 3 and the Sinister 6 movie, too, while ASM2 was stinking up theaters. They're just trying to save face. In a few months they'll announce that "plans are on hold temporarily while they try and decide the best way to proceed, in order to represent the characters and the F4 franchise in the best light possible."

Word-for-word. Just wait.

Proof Leo656 has access to a TARDIS. What, did you blackmail the Doctor with naughty pictures of him and K9 or something?

[Bry]

I definitely think it's better than the old two movies. My dad did, too. No one else I know has seen it.

I can't agree. Having rewatched them in the past week: The 2000s movies were absolutely mediocre, but they at least got the FF characters themselves pretty right and tried to have a little fun with the material. They were cheesy, but... the FF kind of should be cheesy, y'know? A good FF movie should be clever and bright and colourful and fun and emotional. The 2000s movies only got a few of those right, but the new movie flopped hard on all of them, IMO.

The 2000s movies weren't good, but I was at least entertained. Which is a hell of a lot more than I can say for Tranktastic Four.

[TLP]

In disappointing news, Fox is still determined to make a sequel according to Hitfix: http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=123847

If they actually consider making a sequel to this garbage, I hope it does worse than this film..

Yeah I'd rather watch a $200mil The Amazing Bulk sequel right about now.

[Foombamaroom]

Wait, wait, wait?
Is Fox legitimately considering making a sequel to this?
These executives must be stoned out of their minds, jeez.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Well, on the bright side, there is now a petition by fans for Fox to sell back the rights!

[Leo656]

Proof Leo656 has access to a TARDIS. What, did you blackmail the Doctor with naughty pictures of him and K9 or something?

Not even, just locked him in the Camel Clutch and that jabroni gave up the ghost pretty quick. F***in' pacifists, amIrite? :tgrin:

[Leofan26]

In disappointing news, Fox is still determined to make a sequel according to Hitfix: http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=123847

If they actually consider making a sequel to this garbage, I hope it does worse than this film..

Oh F no, would they really keep releasing sequels to a movie that bomed at the box office that bad? Critiques every where is giving it horrible reviews too not just it's fandom. Screw giving it back to Marvel, I just want the dang series to stay dead, unless they bring it back Animated again, I thought they did a pretty good job with it in Animation, it was better than the live action films at least. Does any one remember the Animated series that aired on Nicktoons TV a couple of years back? I enjoyed it for what it was worth. Truthfully, the only way fans will be able to enjoy there favorite series is with the comics, no one seems to be able to get the characters or series right. Every film set keeps screwing up the villain. Though the first set of films I enjoyed the action mixed with in my opinion better comedy and team work, seriously where was the team work in this film? I prefered the previous cast better, say what you will about Alba's acting but I liked her acting better than the one who played Sue in this new flick and that says a lot.

[MikeandRaph87]

Nobody knows anything yet,but rumors are also on the opposite end suggesting the franchise is again halted in favor of Deadpool 2.

http://www.cinemablend.com/m/new/Fantastic-Four-2-May-Dropped-Deadpool-2-76087.html

[Vicky82]

More details of Josh Tranks behaviour.

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=123917

[DarkLightDragon]

More details of Josh Tranks behaviour.

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=123917

This film just wasn't gonna be any good to begin with, wasn't it? Even if you can see Fox's unrealistic standards was partially to blame for this dud, Trank really seemed like a real douche to the crew and cast, which in no way should mean he'd be the next J.J. Abrams.

And whoever the actor was calling out on Trank's bulls*it deserves a medal and a cookie.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

This film just wasn't gonna be any good to begin with, wasn't it? Even if you can see Fox's unrealistic standards was partially to blame for this dud, Trank really seemed like a real douche to the crew and cast, which in no way should mean he'd be the next J.J. Abrams.

And whoever the actor was calling out on Trank's bulls*it deserves a medal and a cookie.

I'd say they deserve to be given a second chance, and not have their career castrated with a rusty pair of wire snips by this unbelievable Armageddon of a terrible movie. :twink:

Anyone who calls out bullsh!t for what it is has my vote of appreciation.

[Foombamaroom]

...castrated with a rusty pair of wire snips

:o

What the hell is going on in your head? O_O

But yeah, I agree. I think the actors that they picked COULD'VE been great versions of the characters they were portraying... if they had a half-decent script.

[TLP]

More details of Josh Tranks behaviour.

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=123917

This is why FOX doesn't deserve to hold the rights. Hell, they don't deserve the X-Men either because of that little stunt.

They don't give a single damn about the Fantastic Four at all. It's just the idea that they own something that Marvel doesn't that gives them a troll stiffie.

"FOX: We will NEVER share the rights with you poo poo heads! For NO REASON! Your Cinematic Universe will never be complete! It's ours! Oursoursoursoursours! lolololololol!"

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

:o

What the hell is going on in your head? O_O

But yeah, I agree. I think the actors that they picked COULD'VE been great versions of the characters they were portraying... if they had a half-decent script.

Authors and sociopaths share more similarities than most civilians are comfortable with. :tlol:

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Ya got THAT right. It's because we can both imagine things most people would never dream of. The difference is that writers only do it on paper- sociopaths do it for real.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Ya got THAT right. It's because we can both imagine things most people would never dream of. The difference is that writers only do it on paper- sociopaths do it for real.

Exactly. Plus, writers are paid for it; sociopaths pay for it.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I just watched the movie last night. It started off okay-ish but as it went on, it became less and less enjoyable.

I liked the beginning of the movie where they show how close Reed and Ben are. Ben believes in Reed's strive to work on a teleporter and Reed wants Ben to be there since they grew up working on it together. I like that dynamic. The problem is that there's not too much character development as there is character interactions (which is also scarce including the relationship between Reed and Sue). I also feel that the movie shifts tones where it starts of light, then moves to being serious, and at the climax, super silly like it felt like it was trying to recapture the tone of the first two films but done in a bland and lifeless fashion as if the actors were getting tired of doing this movie. This may show where the reshoots are done.

*Spoiler* if you guys plan on watching the movie for action, you're not going to get a lot of it. There's only two scenes of it and the first one is merely just tests to see how well they can handle there new powers.

And finallly Dr. Doom.............yeah.:trolleye:

Overall, the movie is no where near as bad as critics are saying it is (not Batman & Robin bad, at least), it's just an uninteresting flick. The characters don't show a lot of emotion and you can get a feel that the actors just got tired of doing this film. It seems as though this film losses it's appeal half-way through the movie. It's hard to say what type of direction Josh Trank was going for. I know he wanted it to be a more grounded take but the ideas he had for this film may have been better off on paper.

It just sort of exists. Not terrible, not interesting. :ohwell:

[MikeandRaph87]

For those who did not like the film and actually think a petition can do something here is a petition gping around the internet.

https://www.change.org/p/everybody-group-people-make-fox-sell-the-rights-to-fantastic-four-back-to-marvel-studios

[chrisdude]

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. You can't make people sell the things they own. Fox got those film rights fair and square, and they're free to keep using them according to the agreement Marvel and Fox made. If people don't like it, there are plenty of other movies to watch.

[The Stryker]

Not a good sign when the second word in the petition proposal is spelled wrong.

Also, yeah what chrisdude said. Fox owns the rights and they can do whatever they want with them. It's not being petty or spiteful, Greedy maybe? But they're a movie studio so it's kinda what they do. They own the rights! It's not like they canceled FF comics or denied toy rights to the franchise or something. Who would do that?

[NinjaPug]

Those petitions are such a waste of time. Are people really dumb enough to think that would accomplish anything?

[TurtleTitan97]

Those petitions are such a waste of time. Are people really dumb enough to think that would accomplish anything?

Unfortunately, yes.

[JTH]

Overall, the movie is no where near as bad as critics are saying it is (not Batman & Robin bad, at least), it's just an uninteresting flick. The characters don't show a lot of emotion and you can get a feel that the actors just got tired of doing this film. It seems as though this film losses it's appeal half-way through the movie. It's hard to say what type of direction Josh Trank was going for. I know he wanted it to be a more grounded take but the ideas he had for this film may have been better off on paper.

It just sort of exists. Not terrible, not interesting. :ohwell:
Yes, it is as bad as critics are saying. Comparing this movie to Batman & Robin in any way is like comparing an apple to a brick. Not relatable at all.

Batman & Robin is campy, goofy, cheesy, not taking itself seriously, and clearly letting you know it's not taking itself seriously.

This thing is trying to be The Dark Knight, The Avengers, Man of Steel levels of seriousness, and it fails in all parts.

And worse of all, this movie was done basically to just make a movie and set up another movie. But they forgot the important part of that idea, in that the movie still has to be...good.

[DarkLightDragon]

More news about the drama during development:

https://www.yahoo.com/movies/fantastic-four-got-so-bad-miles-teller-and-josh-126670602777.html

It's the gift that keeps on giving, amirite?

EDIT: Had some trouble getting the link working. Should be fine now.

[NinjaPug]

F4 breaking records:

“@ScottMendelson: #BoxOffice: #FantasticFour Plunges Record 78.7% For $2.4M Friday http://onforb.es/1hEwQDO

[ToTheNines]

Damn. Now I wanna see it because I genuinely feel bad.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

All the juicy gossip and drama this movie has created almost makes me glad it was made. Almost. :P

[chrisdude]

I want a documentary. That's what I want.

[CyberCubed]

Why is this such a big deal? I don't even remember the Green Lantern movie getting this much bile and hate unless I'm remembering wrong.

I guess people have forgotten over the years that there used to be countless "terrible" superhero movies. Its only since the current fad of superhero films people seem to have forgotten this.

[MikeandRaph87]

Green Lantern is a character that has a convulted origin. Its hard to translate it to a general audience especially throwing in Parallax. I thought getting past the origin would help. Setting Sinestro up looked to have potential. According to BOM Green Lantern made 222 million. It had t wrkte off its promotional cost. Hopefully time will be kind to it. As for FF's reboot it was so much change to the origin it hurt it. It seemed like a run of the mill sci-fi movie which the people involved were clearly not invested in.

[JTH]

Why is this such a big deal? I don't even remember the Green Lantern movie getting this much bile and hate unless I'm remembering wrong.
Yes, you're remembering wrong. VERY Wrong!

[NinjaPug]

Green Lantern didn't have the behind the scenes drama that F4 did. That seems to be what people are focusing on now.

[CyberCubed]

Did people expect this movie to be really good? As as they cast a black actor as the human torch that should have been a red flag. Changing long established characters nationalities is a publicity stunt.

[DarkLightDragon]

Nobody was hoping it would've been good.

None of us just really imagined it turned out this bad before and after the film was released.

[ToTheNines]

Did people expect this movie to be really good? As as they cast a black actor as the human torch that should have been a red flag. Changing long established characters nationalities is a publicity stunt.

They didn't. He's still American.

[NinjaPug]

I also wouldn't call hiring an actor that worked with the director before a publicity stunt.

[The Stryker]

Nobody was hoping it would've been good.


Why would nobody hope it's good? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

"I hope it's a terrible movie. A good movie being around would be bad."

[MsMarvelDuckie]

They didn't. He's still American.


I think he meant ethnicity.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Did people expect this movie to be really good? As as they cast a black actor as the human torch that should have been a red flag. Changing long established characters nationalities is a publicity stunt.

So by that logic, The Amazing Spider-Man 2 sucked because Jamie Foxx played Electro. Nationalities should never matter as long as you can play the part correctly.

[BabyTurtles]

Did people expect this movie to be really good? As as they cast a black actor as the human torch that should have been a red flag. Changing long established characters nationalities is a publicity stunt.

.......uhhhh.....Nick Fury? shouldn't he have been a red flag?

I guess the new Peter Pan movie will fail too since Tiger Lily is white instead of Native American....it must also be a publicity stunt.

[TurtleTitan97]

.......uhhhh.....Nick Fury? shouldn't he have been a red flag?

MCU Nick Fury is probably an exception considering that version is based on the Ultimates version, which in turn was based on Samuel Jackson himself.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

^ Yup. This. I'm personally torn on which one I like better- Comic 616 Nick, or UMU/MCU Nick. Both are awesome, but both are also products of their times.

[TLP]

Who cares what color his skin is, he's human.

At least he's not a dirty, filthy Skrull.

http://gingerfilmreviews.weebly.com/uploads/1/1/7/8/11786608/6258852.png?505

[TheBlueTurtle1]

To sum up. Fox need to work a deal out with Marvel. Reboot the F4 with an older cast , white johnny (like the comics) already have them as an established team with powers. Maybe explain there origins in a 5 min flashback scene.

They can be used in other marvel movies.

Use The Dr Doom we all know and love.

Simple WIN WIN WIN

[Darth Knuckles]

I know it's weird to post here for a fourth time, especially since I haven't seen this movie, but I think I've answered the question I had placed in this thread earlier.

I had watched an interview with Toby Kebbell, before Fantastic Four came out, and he asked the interviewer if he noticed where Dr. Doom got his cloak after being stuck in the negative zone. He asked it like it would be interesting for the viewer to catch that little factoid. So I've oddly been trying to figure it out myself from just the trailers I'd seen for the movie. I think I might have figured it out (if anyone else cares). I think Dr. Doom's cloak is the singed American flag that Reed (?) takes in the pods when they go to the negative zone. If anybody else actually knows where Dr. Doom's cloak came from (or if anyone else cares :tsmile:) you're welcome to correct me.

[Candy Kappa]

Nobody was hoping it would've been good.

None of us just really imagined it turned out this bad before and after the film was released.

I was hoping it would have been good. 1/2 of the main cast was pretty decent, and the other two, playing Reed and Ben could have worked.

[Mew]

I was hoping it would have been good. 1/2 of the main cast was pretty decent, and the other two, playing Reed and Ben could have worked.
I can concur. I liked the Thing's design.

[Leo656]

I think Dr. Doom's cloak is the singed American flag that Reed (?) takes in the pods when they go to the negative zone. If anybody else actually knows where Dr. Doom's cloak came from (or if anyone else cares :tsmile:) you're welcome to correct me.

I've read in other interviews that that is in fact what we the viewers are meant to assume, the flag is definitely the cloak. Although I'd hardly call it "interesting". More like, "Okay, fine, that's a thing you can do, sure." Kinda dumb if you ask me. What is it, a forced ham-fisted metaphor or something, about how he "ironically wraps himself in the flag of the country and government who let him down?" Who's gonna get that, besides me, who over-thinks everything? I mean really. Dumb idea.

I was hoping it would have been good. 1/2 of the main cast was pretty decent, and the other two, playing Reed and Ben could have worked.

Eh. The studio didn't even want the kid who played Reed, Trank pitched a fit until they caved in and hired him, and then the two of them couldn't get along to the point they almost had a fist-fight on set. And the studio forced Trank to hire the chick who played Sue, and he "punished" her by never speaking to her for the entire shoot.

This thing was NEVER gonna be any good and it's really easy to see why if you peek behind the curtain. Wrong people running it. When the wrong people are guiding a project then you can NOT make up the difference just by having something good in every other key area. Poisoned seeds bring rotting fruit.

[Candy Kappa]

wow... That's some messed up behind-the-scenes stuff.

[Leo656]

When your entire mission statement starts and ends with, "Let's crank this thing out before we lose the rights," you're already doomed (no pun intended). When you go into something for the wrong reasons you're not likely to get anything good out of it.

[Darth Knuckles]

I've read in other interviews that that is in fact what we the viewers are meant to assume, the flag is definitely the cloak. Although I'd hardly call it "interesting". More like, "Okay, fine, that's a thing you can do, sure." Kinda dumb if you ask me.

Alright thanks! Nice to hear this confirmed. I don't see why it's much of a deal at all in the movie either really. I don't know why I even cared that much about where his cloak came from in the first place honestly.

[Leo656]

Probably, because they told you that you were gonna care, so you expected it to be worth caring about. :lol: Not your fault, they don't play fair.

[JTH]

Seeing Fant4stic is like eating a whole pizza.

Cost 12 bucks, and you feel like throwing up when it's finished.

[JakeSully]

Looks like FOX have opted out of FF2, wanting instead for a Deadpool sequel to take up the slot

http://www.dailysuperhero.com/2015/08/rumor-fox-may-already-be-considering.html

Fox can just continue with there own cinematic universe with the X-Men movies, they got Deadpool coming out, and then X-Men: Apocalypse after that.

I remember reading about a year ago, That they wanted to do an X-Force movie, and Deadpool was part of that team.

Fox can make a cinematic universe based on all the X-Men spinoff comics. Such as Excalibur X-Factor, and Alpha Flight to name a few.

I laugh at how bad this film is doing, whoever decided to write up this was just.. Freak the previous films versions were better than this, in my opinion these actors couldn't act that or the people that were working with them sucked. They didn't seem much like a team, previous films did a better job with that and why can't Fox get the villain right ever? I hope Fox lets Fantastic four stay dead, this was it's best chance to re due it for better but noooo it back fires on us. Look I'm not saying Fantastic Four is the most original concept but I'm one of the few people who enjoyed the series, Flaming Tourtch being my favorite character so yah not good guy's. You suck Fox!

As someone who isn't a big FF fan either, but can't help to not look away from this trainwreck of a movie and it's fallout, I can't begin to imagine how they'd f*ck up other FF characters like Galactus than making him some big doom-cloud in the last movie.

I mean, if they couldn't make Doom's iconic look imposing, then I can't see how more or less ridiculous they'd make Galactus. Cause a a cloud is pretty much the standard of "ridiculous idea for a main villain or Big Bad" you could possibly push so far.

I can't agree. Having rewatched them in the past week: The 2000s movies were absolutely mediocre, but they at least got the FF characters themselves pretty right and tried to have a little fun with the material. They were cheesy, but... the FF kind of should be cheesy, y'know? A good FF movie should be clever and bright and colourful and fun and emotional. The 2000s movies only got a few of those right, but the new movie flopped hard on all of them, IMO.

The 2000s movies weren't good, but I was at least entertained. Which is a hell of a lot more than I can say for Tranktastic Four.

For those who did not like the film and actually think a petition can do something here is a petition gping around the internet.

https://www.change.org/p/everybody-group-people-make-fox-sell-the-rights-to-fantastic-four-back-to-marvel-studios


Yes, Fox should just cancel FF 2 and do only X-Men related things and leave FF alone. I think Marvel can do better justice to FF and i signed the petition. Hopefully they can FF 2 in favor of Deadpool sequels and wouldn't it be awesome to see Silver Surfer and Galactus is a Guardians and Avenger sequel? even Doc Doom in an Avengers sequel would be awesome since he is an Avengers villain and a Spider-Man bad guy besides FF.

I'm glad Marvel Comics stopped licensing their products to other studios like Fox, Lionsgate, Universal, Sony, New Line etc. due to screw ups like Fantastic Four, Man-Thing, Hulk, Elektra, Fantastic Four 1 & 2, Blade 3 etc and made their own studio where they are in control of their properties and make their own decisions. Although Fox is doing damn swell with X-Men with Singer back in creative control, it's just Fox can't do FF right and Marvel can do FF right once they get FF license back.

Hell Spider-Man by Marvel can be good you know now that he is part of the MCU and

[chrisdude]

People say Fox can't do FF, like Fox is one person, sitting somewhere, calling all the shots. And this one person totally "gets" X-Men, but doesn't understand FF. Like the studio is making ridiculous demands for FF, and not X-Men. I'm not saying "the suits" can't ruin a movie. But why would they ruin one thing and excel at another, at the same time? It really sounds like hiring Trank was the big mistake. Maybe they should let Singer or Vaughn have FF.

[NinjaPug]

Fox removed the sequel from its release schedule today.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/schedule/?view=changes&p=.htm

[Autbot_Benz]

lol at Fox removing the Sequel to this ****** movie. Just give it back to Marvel and let them either Netflix it or something

[JakeSully]

lol at Fox removing the Sequel to this ****** movie. Just give it back to Marvel and let them either Netflix it or something

Agree, Fox should just do mutants and leave F4 alone.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Fox removed the sequel from its release schedule today.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/schedule/?view=changes&p=.htm

As if they could ever do anything else with the property. Idiots. :tlol:

[Amaranthus]

Agree, Fox should just do mutants and leave F4 alone.

How many times are you going to keep saying this?

[JakeSully]

How many times are you going to keep saying this?

damn you, ya young punk *bonks him on head with cane

[TurtleTitan97]

damn you, ya young punk *bonks him on head with cane

Seriously, what the heck is your problem? He was just asking a (very reasonable) question. And he's right, what you're doing is annoying. :roll:

[Autbot_Benz]

Seriously, what the heck is your problem? He was just asking a (very reasonable) question. And he's right, what you're doing is annoying. :roll:

he must be that turd shredderorokusaki's brother or something he is just as annoying and immature as he is.

[shuriken]

Fox removed the sequel from its release schedule today.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/schedule/?view=changes&p=.htm

That's funny. It was destined to fail.

[JakeSully]

he must be that turd shredderorokusaki's brother or something he is just as annoying and immature as he is.

No i am not.

But do you agree Fox should focus on mutants and leave non-mutant stuff alone?

And what about having Silver Surfer in Guardians 3 and Dr. Doom in Avengers?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Sell the Fantastic Four and all associated rights back to Marvel in exchange for part of the profits, fire Bryan Singer, bring back Matthew Vaughn for future X-Men movies, never let Shane Black touch a Marvel movie ever again, keep Jeph Loeb running the Netflix TV series. Oh, and figure out somebody to make a decent Thor movie.

THAT'S how you fix all of the Marvel properties.

[Amaranthus]

No i am not.

But do you agree Fox should focus on mutants and leave non-mutant stuff alone?

And what about having Silver Surfer in Guardians 3 and Dr. Doom in Avengers?

And why do you keep asking these questions to people?
Christ.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

And why do you keep asking these questions to people?
Christ.

Watching April O'Neil in FW TMNT as a child obviously deeply imprinted on him a need to report and investigate. News at 11! DO the people want Dr Doom in the Avengers? IS Fox the only decent studio for X-Men movies? DOES he find himself attracted to redheads in formfitting yellow jumpsuits?

DETAILS AT 11.

[Amaranthus]

Watching April O'Neil in FW TMNT as a child obviously deeply imprinted on him a need to report and investigate. News at 11! DO the people want Dr Doom in the Avengers? IS Fox the only decent studio for X-Men movies? DOES he find himself attracted to redheads in formfitting yellow jumpsuits?

DETAILS AT 11.

Okay, that one made me smile.
Good job, Cylon.

[JakeSully]

Im sure the golden Razzies will nominate this movie.

[MikeandRaph87]

http://www.cinemablend.com/m/new/Why-Fantastic-Four-Failed-According-Stan-Lee-80497.html?utm_campaign=zergnet_673247&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=zergnet.com

Stan Lee having no involvement in the film and not invited to the premire still has yet to see the latest film of FF

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

http://www.cinemablend.com/m/new/Why-Fantastic-Four-Failed-According-Stan-Lee-80497.html?utm_campaign=zergnet_673247&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=zergnet.com

Stan Lee having no involvement in the film and not invited to the premire still has yet to see the latest film of FF

It must pain him to see his characters defiled in such a terrible way... :tlol:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

So I just finished Fantastic Four 2: Rise of the Silver Surfer...

Holy crap that was worse than I expected. Much much worse. I was expecting Iron Man 2 levels of bad, not Iron Man 3 levels.

Apparently there is much more wrong with that movie than just "Galactus is a freaking cloud."

[Leo656]

I saw it once but I liked it better than the first one. Let's rap about it. I can't remember why, but I remember thinking the second one was miles ahead of the first, which I hated. I don't think either one is worth a piss but I'm sure I had reasons for that. Try and jog my memory, huh? What bugged you about it?

[TigerClaw]

Never saw the 2nd one, But I enjoyed the 1st one, Chris Evans was a good Human Torch.

[ObiWanFan4life]

How long until anyone even considers making another Fantastic Four film after this disaster?

[Amaranthus]

It must pain him to see his characters defiled in such a terrible way... :tlol:

I'm sure getting cameos in movies of characters he didn't create eases the pain for him.

[chrisdude]

Stan Lee doesn't care about this stuff. His "involvement" always seems superficial, and he's shown several times that he doesn't follow these movies or comics. They just put him on a plane and tell him what to say, then he praises it all like Eastman.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I saw it once but I liked it better than the first one. Let's rap about it. I can't remember why, but I remember thinking the second one was miles ahead of the first, which I hated. I don't think either one is worth a piss but I'm sure I had reasons for that. Try and jog my memory, huh? What bugged you about it?


The BS wedding drama
Sue Storm being nothing but a girl who wants to get married instead of a full-fledged scientist and member of the team
Silver Surfer's stomach television
Johnny Storm switching powers with everyone because reasons
Doom getting cured of his metal because same reasons
Doom grabbing the surfboard because... reasons?
Doom apparently not giving a sh!t his planet is going to be destroyed

And last, but not least and for all you diehard fans, Galactus being a cloud


I will say, the only parts of the movie I genuinely ENJOYED were the interactions between Ben and Johnny. Those were fun.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

I may need to rewatch it in order to comment properly, but there were some things abou FF2 that I liked. The wedding itself was a neat addition, especially with Stan's cameo as himself getting booted. Hilarious! Johnny and Ben were gold together, as they are in the comics. This was the Johnny I wanted to see in the new reboot, but alas all for naught.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I may need to rewatch it in order to comment properly, but there were some things abou FF2 that I liked. The wedding itself was a neat addition, especially with Stan's cameo as himself getting booted. Hilarious! Johnny and Ben were gold together, as they are in the comics. This was the Johnny I wanted to see in the new reboot, but alas all for naught.

The wedding would have been neat if it wasn't done so cheesily. Wedding drama, oh noes, all that.

Stan Lee's cameo was amazing, though. Best cameo ever.

[Leo656]

You're probably right, I haven't seen that movie in like, 8 years? When was it in theaters? I was probably just in a better mood the day I saw 2 than the first one. Because remembering what you've described, I remember hating that stuff too. I think maybe the first one just lowered the bar so low for big-budget super-hero flicks, maybe I was just happy that 2 didn't so much sink lower as stay in the same sh*tty place.

I don't know if you can "do" F4 as a movie but I know they haven't done it right so far. I kinda think since it's so goofy and cheesy, you almost have to be over-the-top goofy and cheesy with it to make it work. Kinda like "Speed Racer", people sometimes hate that movie but you could ONLY make that movie in the way in which they did or else it wouldn't work at all. I don't think F4 works "played straight", I mean this new one looks super-serious and it was a disaster. The people who did the first two tried to be goofy but just... I don't know, it didn't work.

I kinda feel like F4 deserves a good movie but I'm not sure how you'd do that.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

You're probably right, I haven't seen that movie in like, 8 years? When was it in theaters? I was probably just in a better mood the day I saw 2 than the first one. Because remembering what you've described, I remember hating that stuff too. I think maybe the first one just lowered the bar so low for big-budget super-hero flicks, maybe I was just happy that 2 didn't so much sink lower as stay in the same sh*tty place.

I don't know if you can "do" F4 as a movie but I know they haven't done it right so far. I kinda think since it's so goofy and cheesy, you almost have to be over-the-top goofy and cheesy with it to make it work. Kinda like "Speed Racer", people sometimes hate that movie but you could ONLY make that movie in the way in which they did or else it wouldn't work at all. I don't think F4 works "played straight", I mean this new one looks super-serious and it was a disaster. The people who did the first two tried to be goofy but just... I don't know, it didn't work.

I kinda feel like F4 deserves a good movie but I'm not sure how you'd do that.

I think the first FF movie (before Silver Surfer) was actually pretty close. Just give Sue more independence and brains, and make Doom a fvcking Latverian dictator like he's supposed to be. But in terms of tone, it's no more cheesy than I perceive the FF themselves to be.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

CKD, you got it pretty much on the nose. The first one worked pretty well overall, it just suffered from villain short-change. Or to put it another way, they decided Doom needed a background overhaul. For "realistic" purposes. Because everyone knows there's no such place as Latvaria, of course. And it kind of ruined him as a villain. Though I admit he was far better than the "new" Doom.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

CKD, you got it pretty much on the nose. The first one worked pretty well overall, it just suffered from villain short-change. Or to put it another way, they decided Doom needed a background overhaul. For "realistic" purposes. Because everyone knows there's no such place as Latvaria, of course. And it kind of ruined him as a villain. Though I admit he was far better than the "new" Doom.

Absolutely. At least Doom was Doom, just castrated in terms of scope, scale, and badassery. The Fant4stic Doom was just plain WTF.

I'm trying to find my receipt so I can take my copy of FF2:RotSS back to the store and get my $2 back. :tlol:

[Candy Kappa]

The best FF movie remains to be The Incredibles, second best is the Corman flick. It's fascinating to see how difficult it is for filmmakers to do a decent Doctor Doom, and then Avengers Assemble have a episode dealing with Doom being a dictator with diplomatic immunity speaking to the UN.

[Leo656]

But... but in-canon Sue Storm is an idiot! :lol:

Anyways, the first F4 tried way too hard to be funny and wasn't, to me. Not like the second one was funny either. But the "jokes" just kept falling flat. Like, I hate when movie dialog sounds SO MUCH like movie dialog, y'know? I'unno, I didn't laugh and I didn't like it.

[JakeSully]

I thought 2005 F4 was at least better than the new movie.

[NinjaPug]

Just watched the new Fantastic Four movie. I went in thinking that there is no way this is as bad as people have said and that everyone was just ******** on it because they wanted Marvel to get the movie rights back. Nope. First off its obvious they rushed this thing together so they didn't lose the rights but there is so much wrong with it.

- The 4 aren't even on screen together in any form until an hour and 20 minutes into it (the movie is only 1 hr and 30 minutes long)
- I didn't think it was possible to have a version of Doom worse than the 05/07 movies. Wrong again.
- I've never seen a more generic 3rd act in a movie before

I don't get why Josh Trank is getting all the blame for this one. Simon Kinberg (the same writer who ****ed up the Dark Phoenix saga in X3 and turned the greatest X-Men story (DOFP) into an underwhelming movie) deserves just as much hate. The script and dialogue are a mess.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Just watched the new Fantastic Four movie. I went in thinking that there is no way this is as bad as people have said and that everyone was just ******** on it because they wanted Marvel to get the movie rights back. Nope. First off its obvious they rushed this thing together so they didn't lose the rights but there is so much wrong with it.

- The 4 aren't even on screen together in any form until an hour and 20 minutes into it (the movie is only 1 hr and 30 minutes long)
- I didn't think it was possible to have a version of Doom worse than the 05/07 movies. Wrong again.
- I've never seen a more generic 3rd act in a movie before

I don't get why Josh Trank is getting all the blame for this one. Simon Kinberg (the same writer who ****ed up the Dark Phoenix saga in X3 and turned the greatest X-Men story (DOFP) into an underwhelming movie) deserves just as much hate. The script and dialogue are a mess.

You suffered needlessly, my friend. :trazz:

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Indeed. What has been seen, cannot be unseen. My condolences. :tcry:

[Foombamaroom]

I hope Kinberg's underwhelming writing doesn't **** up Apocalypse.

The X-Men movies have always been pretty underwhelming, actually.

But Fantastic Four? I try to forget about this movie every day.

Hey, kids, which would you rather watch? Batman and Robin or Fantastic Four (2015)? Have fun.

[MikeandRaph87]

You all should have waited for the Rifftrax version. Its bound to happen.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

I hope Kinberg's underwhelming writing doesn't **** up Apocalypse.

The X-Men movies have always been pretty underwhelming, actually.

But Fantastic Four? I try to forget about this movie every day.

Hey, kids, which would you rather watch? Batman and Robin or Fantastic Four (2015)? Have fun.


That's not even a contest. Batman & Robin, hands-down. At least it was entertaining, Bat-nipples and all!

[MikeandRaph87]

That's not even a contest. Batman & Robin, hands-down. At least it was entertaining, Bat-nipples and all!

I actually like that movie. Why? Yes, its stupid, but it is fun. I am a fan of Mr. Freeze and Robin so seeing them in a film its hard to hate on it. I could go on and go about how Barbara Gordon/ Batgirl did not really appear, but I will spare you.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Same here. Ivy was fun, as was Ahnold's overacting as Freeze. Bane was- well, there, I guess? But I went to that movie for one reason only- Chris! I admit to having had a crush on him ever since Disney's Three Musketeers, so.... Yeah. :twink: :trazz::tlol::tcool:

[MikeandRaph87]

Same here. Ivy was fun, as was Ahnold's overacting as Freeze. Bane was- well, there, I guess? But I went to that movie for one reason only- Chris! I admit to having had a crush on him ever since Disney's Three Musketeers, so.... Yeah. :twink: :trazz::tlol::tcool:

He did really good with what he was given and I favor him as Robin. I do believe Chris and Uma did the best acting jobs able to rise above the script at times. Arnold makes me embarrassed to like Mr. Freeze as much as I do.

I honestly feel they should have saved Batgirl and Bane for the proposed Batman Triumphant film. That way the clutter and issues with the film could have been less severe. Bane was merely Poison Ivy's henchman. For some years after I saw the movie it was hard to see Bane as "the one who broke the Bat". Having only two other notable storylines after that and that is it does not help the character either and leans more to the strongman stooge he was portrayed as. Scarecrow could have Bane in alliance and they gas Batman trying to break him psychologically with fear gas and then while vulnerable break him where Bane comes in. Batgirl could be worked in if Batman was being held inside police headquarters and Robin unable to get through the barricade. Oh, well. I still want my Robin and Batgirl adapted to the big screen again one day.*sigh*

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Chris is good in NCIS LA, too. Yeah, I agree on pretty much all of that. Plus, that scene at the auction when Ivy was playing them against each other- so funny! Bats and Bird-boy fighting over a chick dressed as a pink gorilla? ONLY in a Batman movie....

[JakeSully]

I hope Kinberg's underwhelming writing doesn't **** up Apocalypse.

The X-Men movies have always been pretty underwhelming, actually.

But Fantastic Four? I try to forget about this movie every day.

Hey, kids, which would you rather watch? Batman and Robin or Fantastic Four (2015)? Have fun.

Deadpool looks promising.