fox's fantastic four reboot

[ScrewtheMirageTMNT]

How do you marvel fans feel about it? I was going to give it a chance until I saw that horrible pic of dr.doom that recently popped up. The last two ff flicks may have not been great, but at least they nailed dr.doom's look, this? They couldn't even do that right, come on, it's not effing hard to do his appearance justice. I hope this fails and that fox lets the rights go back to marvel studios, where they belong.

[RaphaelinSTL]

We haven't even seen a full promo picture yet? I think we're jumping to conclusions here.

Based on how the original Fantastic Four films were, anything has to be better than that.

Why don't we just wait until a trailer comes out to justify if it's "horrible."

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Honestly, I think everyone's already sick of this movie, even if it comes out in a year.

[ObiWanFan4life]

I'm not judging or speculating until I see a trailer, but I'm going in this one with low expectations. I'm looking forward to Pixar's Inside Out more than this.

[Candy Kappa]

Nothing beats the unreleased FF movie, best Dr. Doom EVER.

[zodiac brave]

the mask is the only thing thats going to appear on screen as-is. the suit hes wearing is only for performance purposes, i guess. they've already stated that most of the costume is going to be done in CGI.

also its like one blurry pic...are we still seriously going to judge something years before its release and base said judgement on unfinished product???

didn't we just do that for months?

its exhausting.

[Redeemer]

Nothing beats the unreleased FF movie, best Dr. Doom EVER.

?????? What ?????????

Also I have a question was Johnny Storm ever black before???? I just find it strange especially sense him and Sue Storm are suppose to be siblings, but I guess theres always adoption ????????

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Also I have a question was Johnny Storm ever black before????

Nah, pretty sure this is the first time Johnny's been black in any continuity. I assume either he or Sue is adopted.

[Candy Kappa]

?????? What ?????????

Also I have a question was Johnny Storm ever black before???? I just find it strange especially sense him and Sue Storm are suppose to be siblings, but I guess theres always adoption ????????

There is a 1994 unreleased Fantastic Four movie, it is amazingly campy, but. Beats both Fox movies out of the water imo.

No, Johnny have never been black before, but that shouldn't really be any issues. There is so many ways of explaining it, heck there is even real-life twins with very different skin colors, so why not? besides, almost no one complained about Jessica Alba's ethnicity when she was Sue Storm (her actin "skills" though..), since Ms. Alba is Latin American.

[Redeemer]

There is a 1994 unreleased Fantastic Four movie, it is amazingly campy, but. Beats both Fox movies out of the water imo.

No, Johnny have never been black before, but that shouldn't really be any issues. There is so many ways of explaining it, heck there is even real-life twins with very different skin colors, so why not? besides, almost no one complained about Jessica Alba's ethnicity when she was Sue Storm (her actin "skills" though..), since Ms. Alba is Latin American.

Well I don't even know who Jessica Alba is so I can be held accountable :lol:

Honestly I think I just hate how the are changing characters to pacify others.
I mean changing Thor into a women, making Johhny Storm Black??? Really????
Can was just either make new original character or promote minority characters such as Miles Moral-Spider-man, or 2099 Spider-man? John Stewart- Green Lantern(Still don't understand why everyone prefers the other GL's)
Or bring back Static Shock?????

Would really like to see Miles-Spiderman get some more action.

[Candy Kappa]

Jessica Alba plays Sue Storm in the two previous films, severely miscast.

[Lou 500]

I remember seeing the first one in the cinema and rather enjoying it... Guess I had to be a fan to feel the pain.

[ScrewtheMirageTMNT]

You know they really f***ed up when tim story's dr.doom looks pretty good and faithful. Dr.Doom is one of my favorite marvel villains, that suit that the guy is wearing sure as hell looks like no mo cap suit. The Fantastic Four won't even be called the Fantastic Four in the movie, you would think by now that they would show the official logo of the movie, but nope. It's like Fox thinks they got a stinker on their hands already. The guy who directed this is going to directed a new Star Wars movie that is scheduled to be released in 2018. Star Wars fans should worry. Just when you thought comic book movies would be ok cause of tom rothman no longer working at fox, that guy was responsible for making movies bad, he was the reason we didn't get to see the sentinels being used years ago.

[NinjaPug]

I like Josh Trank.

I hate Fox.

I like Michael B. Cooper.

I hate Miles Teller.

I love Kate Mara.

I don't like Jamie Bell.

I'm indifferent to Toby Kebbell.

I won't judge it until I see the final product.

[ScrewtheMirageTMNT]

What else Tom Rothman is responsible for:

-Galactus being a cloud in Fantastic Four 2.
-Making the director (Stephen Norrington) of Blade retire from directing movies, he browbeated him until he quit.
-Making the director (Alex Proyas) of The Crow almost retire from directing movies.
-Mismanaging the production of X-Men 3.
-Forcing Ridley Scott to edit Kingdom of Heaven.
-Daredevil being PG-13 and short.
-Not providing better budgets for the Fantastic Four movies, getting Tim Story to direct them.

[NinjaPug]

You know they really f***ed up when tim story's dr.doom looks pretty good and faithful. Dr.Doom is one of my favorite marvel villains, that suit that the guy is wearing sure as hell looks like no mo cap suit. The Fantastic Four won't even be called the Fantastic Four in the movie, you would think by now that they would show the official logo of the movie, but nope. It's like Fox thinks they got a stinker on their hands already. The guy who directed this is going to directed a new Star Wars movie that is scheduled to be released in 2018. Star Wars fans should worry. Just when you thought comic book movies would be ok cause of tom rothman no longer working at fox, that guy was responsible for making movies bad, he was the reason we didn't get to see the sentinels being used years ago.


Why should Star Wars fans worry?

[Cure]

I'm excited for this, so kiss my butt.

[Leofan26]

It's almost like they don't care about this series :lol:

[ObiWanFan4life]

The movie has pushed back to August 7, 2015

http://collider.com/fantastic-four-reboot-release-date-2015/

[NinjaPug]

The movie has pushed back to August 7, 2015

http://collider.com/fantastic-four-reboot-release-date-2015/

Smart. Try to mimic the success that GOTG (and to a lesser degree TMNT) had at the beginning of August when there is less competition.

I like Josh Trank so I hope he knocks this out of the park.

[JakeSully]

I hope this bombs so we can have FF rights back to Marvel/Disney! we need galactus, Silver Surfer, Puppetmaster etc. in MCU and MTU.

[CyberCubed]

I bet this movie will get reception similar to The Amazing Spiderman 2 or the new TMNT film.

[TigerClaw]

Apparently Doctor Doom in the Fantastic Four reboot, Is an Anti-Social Programmer
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/nailbiter111/news/?a=110856

[TheSkeletonMan939]

This is pretty much how I feel about the film:


http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/terminal05/2012/10/27/17/anigif_enhanced-buzz-31792-1351372248-8.gif

Why bother? This isn't an FF movie anymore.

[chrisdude]

I'm as open-minded as the next guy, but this sounds pretty darned dumb.

[TurtleTitan97]

The more I hear from this film, the more convinced I am it's gonna blow.

It's one thing to change Johnny's race, but turning Docter Doom, one of the most dangerous villains in the Marvel universe, into some anti-social programmer? Seriously?!?! That's just a new level of stupid. :trolleye:

[Slade]

I was never excited about this. Confused on casting choices, the direction of the film, and well, I just don't like Fantastic Four to begin with.

[ObiWanFan4life]

The more I hear from this film, the more convinced I am it's gonna blow.

It's one thing to change Johnny's race, but turning Docter Doom, one of the most dangerous villains in the Marvel universe, into some anti-social programmer? Seriously?!?! That's just a new level of stupid. :trolleye:

Think about it like this, if the movie really does blow, we already have a perfect fantastic four movie, it was called The Incredibles.

[Sumac]

Apparently Doctor Doom in the Fantastic Four reboot, Is an Anti-Social Programmer
The only appropriate response, foul language ones aside: "For what purpose?".

[TurtleTitan97]

Think about it like this, if the movie really does blow, we already have a perfect fantastic four movie, it was called The Incredibles.

:tlol: Good point.

[ScrewtheMirageTMNT]

I don't give a crap about the Incredibles, I want a better fantastic four movie.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Great, first they cancel ("rest") the comic, and now this. FF are one of my favorite teams, and they just aren't getting any respect.

[arkangel]

I guess they made Johnny black when they realized that Chris Evans can't play everyone in the Marvel Universe without people catching on.

Dr. Doom already has a great origin, but hey let's make him a blogger with a bad attitude. :roll:
"What's that Richards ??? Not answering my FB messages and ignoring my pokes!!! Well you just wait till I charge up my laptop. Your not going to like what I write about you pal.. :x"

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Sweet Mother, when you put it like that it sounds even worse!

[ObiWanFan4life]

I don't give a crap about the Incredibles, I want a better fantastic four movie.

Well, judging by these announcements, that probably ain't gonna happen.

[Leo656]

Marvel must be really kicking themselves now for desperately selling off their characters to any film studio who asked back in the 90s.

To be fair, nobody could have foreseen Marvel having their own studio back then (I mean, they were more or less broke at one point), but even the idea of selling their franchises piecemeal to a bunch of different studios seemed like a huge mistake to me as a kid. Being a kid, my initial thoughts were, "But how are they ever gonna cross the characters over in a movie if they're all being made by different people?" Most conventional wisdom of the day said, "They'd never do that anyway because a movie with, say, both Iron Man and Captain America in it would be too complicated and too expensive." So it didn't matter if every character was owned by a different studio. "They don't need to worry about cross-overs because they'll never ever do that anyway." Shyeah.

Real shame how it all worked out. Even 10-year-old me still had more foresight than anyone else. :lol: Tragic. A good rule of thumb for everyone would be, ignore and avoid all Marvel movies that come out that aren't X-Men or "proper" Marvel Studios films. I mean, it's unlikely, but if F4 and Spidey movies consistently tank over the next few years, you gotta figure they'd at least consider selling the rights back to Marvel. Seems unlikely but if I'm not mistaken, Marvel have already gotten the rights to Ghost Rider and Punisher back, because those properties weren't worth keeping for the other studios. It could take a few years, but we could luck out. Marvel will probably never get the film rights to X-Men back, but they could get back everything else. That's the best-case scenario.

For that to work, though, absolutely nobody is allowed to go see this F4 movie. Seriously. If this movie makes even A dollar they're going to try and keep it.

[ObiWanFan4life]

Marvel must be really kicking themselves now for desperately selling off their characters to any film studio who asked back in the 90s.

To be fair, nobody could have foreseen Marvel having their own studio back then (I mean, they were more or less broke at one point), but even the idea of selling their franchises piecemeal to a bunch of different studios seemed like a huge mistake to me as a kid. Being a kid, my initial thoughts were, "But how are they ever gonna cross the characters over in a movie if they're all being made by different people?" Most conventional wisdom of the day said, "They'd never do that anyway because a movie with, say, both Iron Man and Captain America in it would be too complicated and too expensive." So it didn't matter if every character was owned by a different studio. "They don't need to worry about cross-overs because they'll never ever do that anyway." Shyeah.

Real shame how it all worked out. Even 10-year-old me still had more foresight than anyone else. :lol: Tragic. A good rule of thumb for everyone would be, ignore and avoid all Marvel movies that come out that aren't X-Men or "proper" Marvel Studios films. I mean, it's unlikely, but if F4 and Spidey movies consistently tank over the next few years, you gotta figure they'd at least consider selling the rights back to Marvel. Seems unlikely but if I'm not mistaken, Marvel have already gotten the rights to Ghost Rider and Punisher back, because those properties weren't worth keeping for the other studios. It could take a few years, but we could luck out. Marvel will probably never get the film rights to X-Men back, but they could get back everything else. That's the best-case scenario.

For that to work, though, absolutely nobody is allowed to go see this F4 movie. Seriously. If this movie makes even A dollar they're going to try and keep it.

Like I said, The Incredibles is the closest thing to a faithful F4 movie. It had the family aspect, and had a well-written story.

[Leo656]

Yeah, but I hate "close enough". I'm not a big F4 fan but as one of the original "big" Marvel franchises and one of the earliest super-hero teams in general, they deserve a decent movie of their own, not a "close enough if you squint" movie.

Simply put, blue and green aren't the same. They can get kinda close, but they're not the same.

[arkangel]

I'm not a big F4 fan but as one of the original "big" Marvel franchises and one of the earliest super-hero teams in general, they deserve a decent movie of their own, not a "close enough if you squint" movie.


THIS.. 100%
As for studios, in a perfect world Marvel would have kept the rights to all of their characters. With Disney's purchase of Marvel, they most certainly have the money to buy back everything. What I don't see is Sony ever giving up Spiderman. They will make 10 more Spidey-films of increasingly poor quality before that happens..... or they'll accept a big cheque at some point.
I'm hoping for the later. One word.. Crossover. :)

[ScrewtheMirageTMNT]

I changed my mind, I'll see the new fantastic four movie but only to find out how damn bad the whole thing is.

[ZariusTwo]

One word.. Crossover. :)

One word...yawn.

What is with people's obsessions with Spidey having to cameo in one of these movies?

[Leo656]

Well, one of his earliest and biggest stories involved him trying to join the F4, so yeah, that'd be kinda neat. I mean, it's canon, if nothing else. Some ideas are better than others, but I automatically award points whenever these guys bother to put stuff from the books in there.

I'unno how I remember that, other than, I think I had one of those reprint books back in the day. I'm not a Marvel guy but I flipped my way through some Spider-Man from around 1989 to 1993. Mostly the Venom and Carnage stuff.

Anyways, as for a Spidey/F4 crossover, it might be kinda silly and pointless but it'd also be more interesting than whatever movie is next for either franchise.

[ZariusTwo]

Well, one of his earliest and biggest stories involved him trying to join the F4, so yeah, that'd be kinda neat.

Indeed, and later Lee/Ditko stories set up his long-lasting rivalry/friendship with Johnny Storm (though I've kind of soured on both of them then since they have taken monumental steps backwards in maturity. I remember when Johnny was married to Alicia/Lyja and was growing into a leader role back in the 80s)

[NinjaPug]

Human Torch costume:

http://bitcast-a-sm.bitgravity.com/slashfilm/wp/wp-content/images/Fantastic-Four-Michael-B-Jordan-and-Simon-Kinberg.jpg

Lots of info on the reboot:

http://collider.com/the-fantastic-four-movie-details-josh-trank/

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Well, here's the trailer...

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I'm not too impressed... too many trailers have boring monologues that take up the whole trailer, with a montage of clips that may or may not actually tell you what the movie is about. This is one of them.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

First and foremost? Never cared about the FF.

Pros? That's a pretty sweet trailer visually. Nothing looks bad. (It does seem to be mimicking Interstellar really hard, though...)

Cons? That's it? The movie EVERYONE has been complaining about for, what, two years now? The movie that Fox has released NOTHING for until right now? No teaser, no promo, no nothing? And that's all they show?

Fox baffles me.

[ZariusTwo]

Still better than that pants Ant-Man trailer

[Creativemind]

Looks terrible. Chronicle 2 : The Fantastic Fail.

[Bry]

Not feeling this at all. I'd love it if the next FF reboot just went Full Kirby - fun, bright, colourful, optimistic. And I know a lot of folks will say that'd look "silly" and "dated"... but so will [I]this, in ten years or less.

Just saying. The gritty/dark/moody superhero movie is not gonna age well, especially when it's for a concept like Fantastic Four. That's the issue with trying to do "a contemporary reimagining" of something like this - you're just dating it in a different way. But if you tried to capture the original vision, at least you'd be following a pattern that's largely worked for 50 years. And people might even have fun watching it!

[TurtleTitan97]

Not feeling this at all. I'd love it if the next FF reboot just went Full Kirby - fun, bright, optimistic. And I know a lot of folks will say that'd look "silly" and "dated"... but so will [I]this, in ten years or less.



As a huge Kirby fan, I would so want to see that happen. Maybe in the next reboot.

As for the trailer, I agree with what others have said. Visually it looks cool. But content wise? Looks more like Chronicle and Interstellar than the FF.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

As for the trailer, I agree with what others have said. Visually it looks cool. But content wise? Looks more like Chronicle and Intersettler than the FF.

That's probably because it will be Chronicle (also directed by Josh Trank) and Interstellar, just with FF characters. :(

[Amaranthus]

Is there any good reason for Johnny to be black other than racial diversity in films? I'd rather have them look for actors that look like the comic book counterpart.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Is there any good reason for Johnny to be black other than racial diversity in films? I'd rather have them look for actors that look like the comic book counterpart.

The strangest part about the choice is that Sue Storm is his sister... and she's white in the film. I mean, it's not impossible to have a situation like that, but it still probably wasn't the best choice...

I wonder if Stan Lee will be be Mr. Lumpkin again.

http://file.answcdn.com/answ-cld/image/upload/h_320,c_fill,g_face,q_60,f_jpg/v1401541855/clnoma3evw9uhvkqc70o.png

[Candy Kappa]

The black suits are a huge disappointment, did we travel back to the early 2000's? Why are Fox so afraid to show accurate costumes in freaking 2015.

The only thing I've liked so far is the casting choice for Sue and Johnny Storm, the other two are just too young. Kate Mara is too young in my opinion, but at least she has passed thirty. Teller and Bell are 27 and 28 years old, personally I'd prefer them to be closer to their forties.

The strangest part about the choice is that Sue Storm is his sister... and she's white in the film. I mean, it's not impossible to have a situation like that, but it still probably wasn't the best choice...

I don't really see a problem with a black person having a white sibling, although I think it would have been cooler if both the Storm siblings where African-Americans, so Johnny don't seem to be the token character of the movie.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

I don't really see a problem with a black person having a white sibling, although I think it would have been cooler if both the Storm siblings where African-Americans, so Johnny don't seem to be the token character of the movie.

It's not a problem, but it's just distracting when the viewer's like, "Huh? One's black and one's white? And they're siblings? How'd that happen?"

You're right, they should have both just been of one race; it'd be less of a complication.

[BabyTurtles]

cool Trailer, I got no complaints...other than I have to watch the origin story all over again XD I feel like I just did....(when did the first Fantastic 4 movie come out again?)

[ToTheNines]

Looks kinda cool. I'll definitely see it. I understand everyone's complaints, but even as someone who used to read Fantastic Four, a faithful adaption will never work in a movie. Even if Marvel had the rights, they'd probably just mothball it because it's just a wee bit too silly to fit their universe tonally.

Is there any good reason for Johnny to be black other than racial diversity in films? I'd rather have them look for actors that look like the comic book counterpart.

If the studio sat down and said, we need a black guy in the fantastic four to make it sell, then eff that.

But if the director and producers thought someone brought everything to the role they were looking for save for skin color? I'd rather not see something like ethnicity hold them back.

Evidence points to the latter, from what I've read. MBJ is really funny, I say give him a chance.

[NinjaPug]

Movie doesn't look bad but it doesn't look like a F4 movie to me. Looks like a scifi movie that just happens to have characters from F4 in it.

[TigerClaw]

Here's video of Josh Trank & Simon Kinberg's commentary on the teaser trailer.
https://www.yahoo.com/movies/the-fantastic-four-teaser-trailer-with-commentary-109246554892.html

[sdp]

Trailer is pretty good and cool to see the Fantastic 4 on film again, they're really underrated by current Marvel fans, they're easily some of the best heroes that Marvel has. I am not a fan with this being an origin movie and I'm also not a fan of black Storm and overall most of the things I've heard about this movie don't sound great.

Fox did mention they intended this to share universe with the X-Men right? So I wonder how they'll incorporate the whole Mutants being outcasts but F4 being superheroes everyone loves. Let's hope they don't mess up Doom again, easily the worst part of the first two movies and the first movie really isn't that bad and neither is the second, they really should've gone the soft reboot route a la Hulk/Ghost Rider. I remember being really bummed there were no Mutants or crossover in Sue's wedding in F4-2.

And you may not like what Fox is doing with F4, but maybe they're going with the darker outfits since it fits the X-Men universe better and they already did comic accurate costumes their first tries at the franchise.

[TurtleTitan97]

Let's hope they don't mess up Doom again, easily the worst part of the first two movies

Considering the fact they turned him into "Victor Domashev" and a computer hacker, I think it's a little too late to be hoping for that.

[ScrewtheMirageTMNT]

The tone isn't right at all. It's doesn't align with the type of characters the fantastic four are.

[Bry]

And you may not like what Fox is doing with F4, but maybe they're going with the darker outfits since it fits the X-Men universe better and they already did comic accurate costumes their first tries at the franchise.

All the more reason to give their outfits some colour - they need something to set them apart from the X-Men uniforms. As-is, you could slip them in a lineup with these guys and nobody would notice:

http://s17.postimg.org/94b101lq7/xmen.jpg

[BabyTurtles]

All the more reason to give their outfits some colour - they need something to set them apart from the X-Men uniforms. As-is, you could slip them in a lineup with these guys and nobody would notice:

http://s17.postimg.org/94b101lq7/xmen.jpg

man those costumes need color XD

[TonySiegel]

i picture the fantastic four in more high and vibrant color situations...

[B-Man]

Pretty dull/unexciting teaser for a film this big.

[JakeSully]

Who agrees that we need to make this flop and the rights go back to Disney/Marvel as Disney/Marvel is a better place for FF? and who wants Galactus in Avengers 3 part 2 and Guardians of the Galaxy even Silver Surfer?

Who'd love to see the 1994 film on MST3K/Rifftrack?

[Amaranthus]

Who agrees that we need to make this flop and the rights go back to Disney/Marvel as Disney/Marvel is a better place for FF? and who wants Galactus in Avengers 3 part 2 and Guardians of the Galaxy even Silver Surfer?

Who'd love to see the 1994 film on MST3K/Rifftrack?

That's incredibly biased.
Stop hating on Fox just because it isn't Marvel Studios.

[Candy Kappa]

I'm not a fan of Fox. I don't think the majority of the Marvel based Superhero movies are any good.

Daredevil was bad (only seen theatrical cut though), both Fantastic Four movies was terrible, X-Men 2 is horrible, X-Men 3 is pretty dull, Wolverine Origins is the worst.

I woundnt mind someone else handling FF, someone that isn't afraid of having a fun movie and embrace the comic book aspect.

[ScrewtheMirageTMNT]

People don't hate fox cause they aren't marvel studios, it's because they don't make comic book movies faithful enough and well made.

[Autbot_Benz]

Fox did a great job with Xmen Days of Future Past. This FF movie just looks boring.

[Cure]

Who agrees that we need to make this flop and the rights go back to Disney/Marvel as Disney/Marvel is a better place for FF?

I wasn't impressed by the trailer, either, but watch the movie first before wanting to make it flop. Damn.

Also, I don't know why it's cool to hate Fox all of a sudden. Days of Future Past and First Class are great.

[ToTheNines]

Also, I don't know why it's cool to hate Fox all of a sudden. Days of Future Past and First Class are great.

Right? They've been making crappy X-Men movies since the dawn of time and it was all cool, but now that they've got their ducks in a row everyone's hating.

Probably just stems from the fact that Marvel is a bfd right now, and they're doing up to three movies a year plus television, comics, Netflix etc. So I can see why people want Marvel to have the rights I guess.

For me personally I think Spider-Man and his rogues can easily hold their own and doesn't need to cross over. And the whole "mutants effing suck" thing works much better in an isolated universe. On top of that if Marvel had Spidey, X-Men, FF... we'd never have **** like Guardians, Ant-Man, Cap Marvel.

[TheCanadiandrome]

I wasn't impressed by the trailer, either, but watch the movie first before wanting to make it flop. Damn.

pretty much

[TheBlueTurtle1]

You know what I hate about this, these characters and stoies become popular and loved enough to get movies, so what do they do? Change who these characters really are....

Its not about Johnny Storm being black, but is't the fact they have change the characters roots, and Mr fantastic is way to young, Sue and Johnny can't be siblings. Why the f*~# mess with something that didn't need to be messed with.

I wanted to see a movie abot the Fantastci Four, not some rip off team.

[Candy Kappa]

Probably just stems from the fact that Marvel is a bfd right now, and they're doing up to three movies a year plus television, comics, Netflix etc. So I can see why people want Marvel to have the rights I guess.

Something we'd never see if Marvel had the movie rights to X-men and Spider-Man, and I guess Fantastic Four. I'm glad Marvel doesn't have Spider-man and Wolverine, cause then we'd never have Guardians of the Galaxy or in the future Doctor Strange, heck we might have not gotten an Iron Man movie if Marvel had the rights to do a Spidey movie.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Someone mixed the Interstellar audio with the FF video.. the fact that this felt like the exact same trailer makes me very very sad...

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I'm glad Marvel doesn't have Spider-man and Wolverine, cause then we'd never have Guardians of the Galaxy or in the future Doctor Strange, heck we might have not gotten an Iron Man movie if Marvel had the rights to do a Spidey movie.

Yeah, that is one positive to Marvel not having X-Men or Spidey. They're willing to take more risks and try harder to make good movies in order to get the maximum audience possible... now that I think about it, not having Spider-Man might be Marvel's greatest strength.

[Leo656]

Sure sucks if you actually like Spider-Man, though. Like, if you'd trade all that other stuff for one or two decent Spidey flicks, it's gotta be pretty maddening.

Like, I know I'm in the Nerd Minority, but I'm in the Global Majority when I say I'd trade a dozen "Dr. Strange" movies and another dozen "Ant-Man"s just to get a Spider-Man franchise that didn't start to collapse on itself halfway through the first movie.

I mean, yeah, "Obscure characters/properties, whoo-hoo!" Just sucks when some of the more popular and mainstream ones still haven't been done very well.

Kind of a catch-22, I guess. There's no impetus to do a "good" movie with a big-name character, because the name sells it. We've seen that you can literally make any garbage movie, but stick Spidey, Wolverine, or TMNT in it, and people will go pay to see it. Take something obscure that nobody cares about like "Guardians", though, and you'd BETTER make a good movie or else everyone's gonna laugh you out of the business, asking why you took a gamble on a no-name brand like that in the first place.

Makes sense, I guess. Just frustrating.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I think another lesson to learn is that if your audience knows that better things are coming (ala Avengers team-up or Justice League), they'll be more forgiving of crappy movies. The Thor franchise in particular sucks, and some would say that the only good Iron Man movie was the first one. Man of Steel as well. But as long as people keep looking to the future, you can skate by on "meh" movies... for awhile, anyway.

Sure sucks if you actually like Spider-Man, though. Like, if you'd trade all that other stuff for one or two decent Spidey flicks, it's gotta be pretty maddening.

Like, I know I'm in the Nerd Minority, but I'm in the Global Majority when I say I'd trade a dozen "Dr. Strange" movies and another dozen "Ant-Man"s just to get a Spider-Man franchise that didn't start to collapse on itself halfway through the first movie.

I mean, yeah, "Obscure characters/properties, whoo-hoo!" Just sucks when some of the more popular and mainstream ones still haven't been done very well.

Kind of a catch-22, I guess. There's no impetus to do a "good" movie with a big-name character, because the name sells it. We've seen that you can literally make any garbage movie, but stick Spidey, Wolverine, or TMNT in it, and people will go pay to see it. Take something obscure that nobody cares about like "Guardians", though, and you'd BETTER make a good movie or else everyone's gonna laugh you out of the business, asking why you took a gamble on a no-name brand like that in the first place.

Makes sense, I guess. Just frustrating.

[TheBlueTurtle1]

I think most people want to see a movie about the fantastic 4 not a bunch of modded characters.


Why let a franchise grow enough interest to warrent a movie, then change the core fundaments that actually made it popular to begin with?????:roll::roll::roll::roll:

[NinjaPug]

The Thing

http://www.empireonline.com/images/image_index/hw800/90287.jpg

[Amaranthus]

The Thing

http://www.empireonline.com/images/image_index/hw800/90287.jpg

His face is all derpy.

[Candy Kappa]

That's actually pretty decent looking, it's no 90's movie Thing (:lol:) but leaps above the first Fox movies.

[NinjaPug]

_rRoD28-WgU

[Autbot_Benz]

http://i59.tinypic.com/262r2uh.jpg

[TheSkeletonMan939]

This movie's gonna suck. I'm sure of it.

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

I know next to nothing about the Fantastic Four, so that's probably why the trailer looks like a pretty cool sci-fi movie to me.

[TurtleTitan97]

I know next to nothing about the Fantastic Four, so that's probably why the trailer looks like a pretty cool sci-fi movie to me.

Trust me, if you knew the FF well, you'd probably be upset with some of the changes they made.

The only thing this movie has going for it, imo, is Thing. That's it.

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

Trust me, if you knew the FF well, you'd probably be upset with some of the changes they made.

The only thing this movie has going for it, imo, is Thing. That's it.

Yeah if I've learned one thing from the new Terminator movie trailers, If I like it enough I might be disappointed...but I'll still see that and this, then I'll know for sure if it was good or not.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

The new trailer is the epitome of Crappy Editing 101.

- WAY too many fades to black
- Disembodied screaming at 1:39 and 1:44
- 1:10 to 1:20 is hilarious for all the wrong reasons
- Too few shots of Doom, and too little explanation of why we should fear him and why the FF should be fighting him
- We aren't introduced to any characters properly at all except Reed, Mr. Storm, and Sue; are the other characters just not important? Doom included?
- Too many jokes that only serve to eat up runtime

Also, the actor for Reed is abominable. He just isn't a good actor. How he scored this role is unfathomable to me.

Why didn't the Thing say "It's Clobberin' Time!" after demolishing the truck? I'd be hyped for the movie that much more!

And I guess it's out of the question for the FF to actually get their costumes...

In other words, business as usual for Fox... not knowing how to make good movies based off of comic books and spewing out garbage.

[Warhorse]

I just can't buy Miles Teller being a superhero. I just can't.

[Cure]

This trailer is better than the first. And I like the actors, so that's a plus.

[Amaranthus]

I expected Fox-hating Marvel fangirls and I was right.
Keep it up, guys.

[Candy Kappa]

Trust me, if you knew the FF well, you'd probably be upset with some of the changes they made.

The only thing this movie has going for it, imo, is Thing. That's it.

The guy playing Torch seems pretty good, and the woman playing Sue is the oldest of the group. So, I'd say the movie so far have three things going for it, so far.

[TonySiegel]

ehh doesnt look fantastical enough...

michael b jordan might kill it though!

doom looked horrible...

[JakeSully]

That's incredibly biased.
Stop hating on Fox just because it isn't Marvel Studios.

Because Fox doesn't know how to do a good comic book movie with exceptions being X-Men 1/2/FC/DOFP but Fantastic Four i don't think should be with Fox but rather Marvel Studios.

I'm sure your in the mentality of Nolan is god and dark/gritty is more "mature" and "adult" than Marvel.

[Amaranthus]

Because Fox doesn't know how to do a good comic book movie with exceptions being X-Men 1/2/FC/DOFP but Fantastic Four i don't think should be with Fox but rather Marvel Studios.

I'm sure your in the mentality of Nolan is god and dark/gritty is more "mature" and "adult" than Marvel.

I don't know why you're responding to a really old post I made. Nor do I know why you keep PM'ing me about superhero movies, but I'm going to kindly ask you to leave me alone.

[ZariusTwo]

I don't know why you're responding to a really old post I made. Nor do I know why you keep PM'ing me about superhero movies, but I'm going to kindly ask you to leave me alone.

He did it to me too.

[Vicky82]

New Trailer is up.

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[Amaranthus]

New Trailer is up.

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Someone needs to give the Thing a pair of pants.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Reed Richard's teacher is kind of an asshole.

[Candy Kappa]

What's up with Fox's inability to do a good looking Dr. Doom? It's not a complex design.

[TigerClaw]

What's up with Fox's inability to do a good looking Dr. Doom? It's not a complex design.
I don't know why Fox can't do a proper version of Dr Doom, Hes from Latveria and is also a dictator of his country.

[TurtleTitan97]

Geez, just when I thought this movie couldn't look any worse...

[Bry]

I liked Kid Reed and Kid Ben in the beginning? Otherwise this is definitely way more Ultimate FF than FF classic, which... meh.

For some reason Fox absolutely refuses to get Dr. Doom right. And felt the need to answer a certain question about The Thing from "Mallrats", completely unasked and unwanted.

And did that trailer seriously include the line "if we do this, we do it our way" without a hint of irony?

Yeah, doesn't look too great. There's plenty of potential for a good FF movie, but it'd take a particular talent to pull it off, and one with enough confidence to not run in the opposite direction and take it too seriously.

[Jester]

Reed Richard's teacher is kind of an asshole.
But I'm sure he loves donuts and Duff. :P

[ProactiveMan]

What's up with Fox's inability to do a good looking Dr. Doom? It's not a complex design.

Yeah exactly - Roger Corman spent five bucks on his, and more or less nailed it.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I liked Kid Reed and Kid Ben in the beginning? Otherwise this is definitely way more Ultimate FF than FF classic, which... meh.

For some reason Fox absolutely refuses to get Dr. Doom right. And felt the need to answer a certain question about The Thing from "Mallrats", completely unasked and unwanted.

And did that trailer seriously include the line "if we do this, we do it our way" without a hint of irony?

Yeah, doesn't look too great. There's plenty of potential for a good FF movie, but it'd take a particular talent to pull it off, and one with enough confidence to not run in the opposite direction and take it too seriously.

As a guy who knows next to nothing about the FF, can you tell me how you get Doom "right?"

As a non-fan, this looks miles better than the first two FF movies. But that's not really saying much, I gather. :tlol:

[drgon78]

I actually like the first 2 FF movies but this one looks too much like the ultimates version wich I hated. I do agree that I have not seen a version of Doom done right outside of the comics.

[Shred Head]

I love Fox's X-men movies I do in fact I enjoy alot of them over the Marvel Studios stuff. Also I am looking forward to Deadpool I got a feeling its going to be one of if not my all time favorite comic book movies. This movie on the other hand WTF happened this looks bad like really bad. Even the graphics that Thing looks like it came out of a PS4. Also Dooms design the thing that got criticized the most out of the original movies was not having a comic accurate Doom. So what do you do make him look like he's living rock and have him glow green WTF Fox.

[Bry]

As a guy who knows next to nothing about the FF, can you tell me how you get Doom "right?"

Well, not a sleazy businessman or an angsty blogger who gets superpowers by accident, for a start. :ohwell:

In the comics, he's the ruler/dictator of Latveria, a fictional Eastern European nation, a genius multi-skilled scientist with some additional skill as a sorcerer. He's defined by arrogance, vengeance, and paranoid delusion, but also with a strong sense of honour. Everything he can do he worked for or created himself - his "powers" come from his own inventions and innovations, his suit of armour and his skill as a sorcerer. He's actually one of the most interesting and complicated supervillains out there, which is why it's a shame the big-screen versions tend to be pretty one-note and dumbed-down by comparison.

[Leo656]

Didn't Stan Lee say in an interview that the other movies' Dr. Doom was the worst on-screen Marvel villain ever? :lol: I'll bite, that sounds accurate. Although "Galactus Is A Giant Cloud Or Some Sh*t" was pretty awful, too. :lol:

[AquaParade]

The trailers for this don't look too good, but it's hard to fault FOX for going in this gritty direction and swoop up "the Chronicle guy". I hope the movie turns out better than I am expecting.

That being said, and keep in mind that I have never directed a film, the two words I would use to describe a potentially great FF movie would probably be "psychedelic" and "fun". So far, I have seen neither from this movie.

[Candy Kappa]

Well, not a sleazy businessman or an angsty blogger who gets superpowers by accident, for a start. :ohwell:

In the comics, he's the ruler/dictator of Latveria, a fictional Eastern European nation, a genius multi-skilled scientist with some additional skill as a sorcerer. He's defined by arrogance, vengeance, and paranoid delusion, but also with a strong sense of honour. Everything he can do he worked for or created himself - his "powers" come from his own inventions and innovations, his suit of armour and his skill as a sorcerer. He's actually one of the most interesting and complicated supervillains out there, which is why it's a shame the big-screen versions tend to be pretty one-note and dumbed-down by comparison.

And, that version would have been so awesome to see on the big screen. I mean, he's a leader off a country, he'd have diplomatic immunity when in the Us, so the FF had to be smart to take him down then just walk up to his doorstep and smash stuff up.

[TLP]

Honestly I just want Marvel Studios to get the F4 rights back. Fox doesn't seem very confident with this reboot.

[Jester]

Honestly I just want Marvel Studios to get the F4 rights back. Fox doesn't seem very confident with this reboot.
To be honest, I wish they'd get the rights to it all back so we can have one cohesive universe again.

[TurtleTitan97]

Well, the reviews are coming in. And as expected, the movie sucks: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/fantastic_four_2015/

Time to give Marvel back the rights, Fox.

[Foombamaroom]

"He's stronger than any of us."
"But he's not stronger than all of us."

WHAT THE ****, YES HE IS! That's the whole point of Doom!

I just read these reviews... apparently, the movie is 100 minutes, and the F4 get their powers around an hour into the movie. So, yeah, 35 minutes of superhero stuff. How great.

[Jester]

I just read these reviews... apparently, the movie is 100 minutes, and the F4 get their powers around an hour into the movie. So, yeah, 35 minutes of superhero stuff. How great.
Wasn't that the biggest gripe about the 1st Tim Story flick?

[Andrew NDB]

Well, the reviews are coming in. And as expected, the movie sucks: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/fantastic_four_2015/

Time to give Marvel back the rights, Fox.

It'll be pretty sweet to have Galactus in the MCU. I could see that being the climax of Phase 4.

[NinjaPug]

Geez, these reviews make the movie sound even worse than I was expecting. Sounds like this might bomb big-time at the box office. I wonder what it would take for Fox to relinquish the rights back to Marvel. I'd love for Marvel to have the rights to Silver Surfer, Galactus and the Skrulls to expand their cosmic universe. Plus I'd love a Secret Invasion storyline in Phase 4 or 5.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

You know, I don't really MIND the idea of having one of the FF be African-American, but WHY Johnny? It would've made more sense for it to be Ben or Reed. Actually, either one would've been a better idea. All the trailers I've seen so far just make it look boring and dark, and too jarring visually and tonally. This is NOT FF, it's X-Men redux....

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Damn those reviews are brutal. I was gonna Redbox this one, but now... I might not even bother. This sounds like it turned out to be the exact same crapfest we all feared way back at the start.

Fox, please don't make the X-Men film series any worse than it already is by crossing over with the Floptastic Four. :tlol:

[Foombamaroom]

The only motivation I had for seeing this movie was to see Dr. Doom. See, I didn't have a problem with Johnny being black, I had a problem with literally anything and everything else they did. But my one hope was that they were going to do Doom decently, since they had hidden him from the trailers. Now? Nope. Nopenopenopenopenopenopenope.

The only thing Fox is going to do right is Deadpool. Other than that, the other characters can just...

The worst part is that my mom and brother still want to see it, which means I might be forced to watch it. Help. Me.

[Bry]

So... any guesses on how many months it'll be until Marvel has the rights back or has a Spidey-style deal in place with Fox?

Or will they both be too petty to make a deal until there's absolutely no choice?

[Jester]

I've said it before and I'll say it again:
http://www.joblo.com/newsimages1/crews-thing-ff.jpg

[Commenter 42]

So... any guesses on how many months it'll be until Marvel has the rights back or has a Spidey-style deal in place with Fox?

Or will they both be too petty to make a deal until there's absolutely no choice?

Gotta be honest here: Fantastic 4 returning to Marvel?
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/29/2c/46/292c461895f3ee6f18ef55eea4b32053.jpg

[Foombamaroom]

I've said it before and I'll say it again:
http://www.joblo.com/newsimages1/crews-thing-ff.jpg

I can just imagine the commercials.
"OLD SPICE BODY SPRAY MAKES YOU FEEL LIKE THE THING. CLO-CLO-CLO-CLOBBERING TIME."

[NinjaPug]

So... any guesses on how many months it'll be until Marvel has the rights back or has a Spidey-style deal in place with Fox?

Or will they both be too petty to make a deal until there's absolutely no choice?

Don't think we'll see a Sony type deal on this one. From what I've read there is a lot of bad blood between Marvel and Fox.

I think Fox will continue to retain the rights as long as they produce another movie within the next 7-8 years. This new one had to be rushed into production so they wouldn't lose the rights. They were really close to the deadline.

[Foombamaroom]

Don't think we'll see a Sony type deal on this one. From what I've read there is a lot of bad blood between Marvel and Fox.

I think Fox will continue to retain the rights as long as they produce another movie within the next 7-8 years. This new one had to be rushed into production so they wouldn't lose the rights. They were really close to the deadline.

Fox is making their superhero profits from X-Men. They're going to continue to milk that franchise as long as they can.

[NinjaPug]

Fox is making their superhero profits from X-Men. They're going to continue to milk that franchise as long as they can.

Which means they'll make a crappy X-Men / F4 crossover movie so they can retain the rights without making another standalone F4 movie that won't make any money.

[Leo656]

Man, all the Marvel franchises just need to go back to Marvel Studios. Not being able to have total control over how so many of their biggest properties are represented in films is nothing short of a travesty. Especially with how Fox seems to just keep dicking around with things. Their only consistent "success" has been with X-Men, and even then only half of those are any good. I know we're all mentally and emotionally married to the stuff we've been watching for 15 years, but can you imagine how awesome - and possibly even Better - an MCU X-Men might be?

I wish everyone could just admit that the 90s were a huge mistake, it was wrong to license out all their characters to any studio who could pay them, and that Marvel would just cut the damn check to get their all their properties back in-house. Sure, Fox would cry and bitch about it, but if the money was there they'd roll over. I hope it happens one day, this sh*t's getting bonkers.

[Jester]

Yeah, Disney really needs to just tell Fox and Sony to "Name their price..." and shell out the cash to get all the Marvel IP back.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

FULLY agree.

The only two excellent XMen movies were X2 and First Class. Days of Future Past was a'ight. The rest... meh.

[Commenter 42]

Yeah, Disney really needs to just tell Fox and Sony to "Name their price..." and shell out the cash to get all the Marvel IP back.

That will never happen, or at least not until the CBM bubble bursts. It's not a matter of Fox owning the IP, it's that Disney doesn't.

[ObiWanFan4life]

FULLY agree.

The only two excellent XMen movies were X2 and First Class. Days of Future Past was a'ight. The rest... meh.

I respectfully disagree, but I digress. It's sad when the closest thing we have to a good Fantastic Four movie in The Incredibles, and even that's pushing it.

[Amaranthus]

Marvel is too busy assembling a cinematic universe we don't need to make movies that are better than average.
Come at me.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

FULLY agree.

The only two excellent XMen movies were X2 and First Class. Days of Future Past was a'ight. The rest... meh.


You meant X2 and DoFP, don't you? First Class was bad on SOO many levels character-wise. Half of the characters in that movie DID NOT BELONG. Days was SOOO much better in every way. Though First Class at least had a decent story adaptation- just needed to change some of the characters involved.


I respectfully disagree, but I digress. It's sad when the closest thing we have to a good Fantastic Four movie in The Incredibles, and even that's pushing it.


Yeah, same here, though I really liked the FIRST FF movie. I think everyone just focuses too much on the disappointment of the last half of FF2.


Marvel is too busy assembling a cinematic universe we don't need to make movies that are better than average.
Come at me.


Okay, so we'll just ignore the multi-movie story arcs, the fact that having all the characters together allows for more versatility and interactions within the universe, better chances for less known characters to be introduced and do well, and.... Should I go on, or is that enough reason? And how can you say it's not needed? You DO realize we're talking about superheroes who are CONSTANTLY teaming up and all live in the same city, right? They don't live in little bubbles apart from each other, ya' know.

[Commenter 42]

mzko5iNo5wM

And I thought what they did to Splinter was bad....

Look the F*ck out true believer, Duct tape Glow-stick man is on the loose!

I'm guessing Trank found his inspiration on youtube?

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[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

You meant X2 and DoFP, don't you? First Class was bad on SOO many levels character-wise. Half of the characters in that movie DID NOT BELONG. Days was SOOO much better in every way. Though First Class at least had a decent story adaptation- just needed to change some of the characters involved.

The fact that as a "First Class" story, the movie had all of the wrong characters does not mean that it was a bad XMen movie. Especially as it didn't have useless Cyclops, useless Rogue, useless Storm, or Emo Jean Grey. While it might not have had the roster people wanted, it was a GOOD movie.

mzko5iNo5wM

And I thought what they did to Splinter was bad....

Look the F*ck out true believer, Duct tape Glow-stick man is on the loose!

I'm guessing Trank found his inspiration on youtube?

BP5j4zk7Y2s

Wow. That looks NOTHING like Doom. And I'm not a FF fan, I just know how to Google Image! :teek:

[TurtleTitan97]

Just looking at that horrible excuse for Doctor Doom makes me wanna do this to the clowns who approved it:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11111/111119363/3718596-0887757340-36156.gif

[Commenter 42]

https://www.sideshowtoy.com/assets/products/400086-doctor-doom/lg/400086-doctor-doom-006.jpg

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff112/wonderful1/sdcc_2012/DSCI0365.jpg~original


This is how you update a comicbook look, stay faithful to the source, and up the wow factor, all at once.

damn that's nice!

[MsMarvelDuckie]

The fact that as a "First Class" story, the movie had all of the wrong characters does not mean that it was a bad XMen movie. Especially as it didn't have useless Cyclops, useless Rogue, useless Storm, or Emo Jean Grey. While it might not have had the roster people wanted, it was a GOOD movie.



Wow. That looks NOTHING like Doom. And I'm not a FF fan, I just know how to Google Image! :teek:


See that was exactly my problem with it, though. If it's called First Class, why in the world would you have 3rd-gen mutants in it?!! Or even first gen mutants who didn't get introduced until YEARS later. Havok I could maybe see, but the others? Lot of NOPE there. Also, that's what makes it bad as a "First Class" movie- that it WASN'T. The story itself was fine, it's who they had IN it. You want REAL first class- it should be: Beast, Scott, Jean, Bobby, and Angel(Warren, not the fairy-chick.) That's IT. Maybe throw in the part about finding Storm and Wolvie later, and Rogue, but none of this crap with mutants who weren't even born yet in many cases. But of course ,that would've screwed up their in-movie continuity- when they should've found a way to work them in to begin with.

[TLP]

This is a f*cking nightmare.

If FOX really wants to be as rotten as toe fungus and actually attempt to continue with this property, it's going to get ugly when the protests begin to reach their doorstep.

[Bry]

https://www.sideshowtoy.com/assets/products/400086-doctor-doom/lg/400086-doctor-doom-006.jpg

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff112/wonderful1/sdcc_2012/DSCI0365.jpg~original

This is how you update a comicbook look, stay faithful to the source, and up the wow factor, all at once.

damn that's nice!

Really. It's not freakin' complicated - it's a suit of armour with a green cloak. I wish I could line up every producer and designer that feels the need to "update" a design that's completely classic and timeless, then smack the first one upside the head and watch them fall like a row of dominoes.

If they managed to pull off Ultron and The Vision in Age of Ultron, there's no reason they can't pull off a classic Doctor Doom here. They came at it completely backwards and the result is laughable.

[Leo656]

:lol: Holy sh*t that "Doom" is all kinds of f*cktarded. This is exactly one of those "Let's do every single thing wrong on purpose" kinda movies. No WAY.

For once I agree with Hunter...
https://33.media.tumblr.com/fc286e0f898c70bddb2193748de0d4cd/tumblr_inline_nlzwpz3WYi1rw7y6v.gif

I'unno if I ever mentioned it, but as far as the older F4 movies go, I actually hated the first one and thought the second one was kind of okay, other than whatever the f*ck Galactus was supposed to be. I dug Surfer though, was kind of looking forward to his spin-off after they made such a big deal about it. The first F4 I just plain didn't like. You could tell that the movie itself was highly impressed with how clever and funny it was, but in reality it was neither of those things. I liked that the second one tried to take itself a little more seriously.

Word of mouth on this one's horrible; gotta wonder what's next.

[BabyTurtles]

hmm...I wanted to watch it...think I'll just go see Ant-man instead XD

[TLP]

Watch Chris Stuckmann tear this movie apart.

Wo5NETEV0S0

[ZariusTwo]

2005's FF movie feels so bush-league now. It was made at a time when Jessica Alba and that bloke off Nip/Tuck were pegged as big stars, where the f*ck are they now?

[TurtleTitan97]

:lol: This movie has a freaking 7% on Rotten Tomatoes. Congratulations 2004 Catwoman, you are no longer the lowest rated Superhero movie out there.

We are quickly entering the Paul Blart danger zone, everyone. :lol:



hmm...I wanted to watch it...think I'll just go see Ant-man instead XD

That would be the wise thing to do.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

That would be the wise thing to do.

At this point, stabbing yourself in the eye with a plastic spoon is arguably a wiser thing to do. :tlol:

[THGhost]

Clawed it's way up to 10% now. I was expecting it to be bad, but not this bad. Guess I'll be downloading it within a few months instead of paying money to go see it, same with Pixels. :P

[Commenter 42]

For the, you know, and, just because:


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That face...
http://www.hotflick.net/flicks/2009_G.I._Joe__The_Rise_of_Cobra/009ROC_Christopher_Eccleston_006.jpg


LOL... Fan Fourstick.

[THGhost]

LOL... Fan Fourstick.

Fant 4 Stic ;)

I've taken Chris Stuckmann's advice and booked tickets for Ant-Man this Sunday, since I haven't seen it yet. Will be going to see Rogue Nation later this month.

[Commenter 42]

Fant 4 Stic ;)



You ever get slapped in the face for being that guy?

[Leo656]

I'm pretty sure the Corman one is a lot better than the new one. :lol:

It might be the best one so far, actually. :lol: Who'da ever thought THAT, huh?!

[TLP]

When and IF Marvel gets the rights back, they should call up Shout Factory to release Roger Corman's Fantastic Four film on Blu-Ray like they already have with the 90s Captain America movie, but with much more bonus features.


(Hey, I'm optimistic.)

[Leo656]

They probably won't. It's like the Star Wars Christmas Special; they hate it, they wish they could wipe its existence away completely, they pretend it never happened even though everyone's already seen it anyway. :lol: It's dumb, there's a ton of people who'd pay good money for an official release of that Corman F4 flick, and they're leaving money on the table because they're embarrassed. But that's "business".

I remember back in the day Wizard announced it coming out in a DVD box set as an April Fool's Joke. I was pissed. :lol: I didn't fall for it, I just thought it was a particularly cruel joke to pull because I'd buy that sumbitch right now. :lol: I don't even f***in' like Fantastic 4! I just make it a point to own sh*t like that in case the world ends and I'm the last resource anyone has for dumb pop culture nonsense like awful, cheap movies.

No, there will be no screenings of "Titanic" or "Citizen Kane" on the Space Ark shepherding the survivors of Earth to their new life on Mars or wherever... but there'll be enough "Meet The Feebles" and "The Crow: Wicked Prayer" to make everyone who's left want to chew their own arm off. :lol:

[TigerClaw]

Josh Trank was originally supposed to direct a Star Wars anthology movie, But he bowed out for personal reasons.

Lucasfilm dodged a bullet with that one. can you imagine if he did the Star Wars film, the fans will rip him to shreds if it didn't turn out good.

[Foombamaroom]

Josh Trank was originally supposed to direct a Star Wars anthology movie, But he bowed out for personal reasons.

Lucasfilm dodged a bullet with that one. can you imagine if he did the Star Wars film, the fans will rip him to shreds if it didn't turn out good.

"Personal reasons."
Yeah, he left because of the studio's personal problems with him. ;)

[TurtleTitan97]

So Trank is already starting to make excuses. From Twitter:

A year ago I had a fantastic version of this. And it would've recieved great reviews. You’ll probably never see it. That’s reality though.

Come on, man. At least admit that you made some mistakes when it came to this film instead of just blaming the studio. :trolleye:

EDIT. Aaaaaand he has already deleted his comment. Not surprised.

[NinjaPug]

Not saying Trank's film would've been good but Fox changed a bunch, specifically the 3rd act, through reshoots.

[CyberCubed]

I can see Fox selling the rights to Marvel now. After this movie bombed they're not going to bother with another one.

[Candy Kappa]

I'm pretty sure the Corman one is a lot better than the new one. :lol:

It might be the best one so far, actually. :lol: Who'da ever thought THAT, huh?!

That says a lot, when the movie the studio only made to keep the IP and never release it is the best FF movie off the four movies we've gotten so far.

Although, Pixar's Incredibles is a better Fantastic 4 movie then the actual movies...

[ZariusTwo]

I'm pretty sure the Corman one is a lot better than the new one. :lol:

It might be the best one so far, actually. :lol: Who'da ever thought THAT, huh?!

I'll always love that line from The Jeweler though, "We are such things as dreams are made of"

[ProactiveMan]

I'm pretty sure the Corman one is a lot better than the new one. :lol:

It might be the best one so far, actually. :lol: Who'da ever thought THAT, huh?!

Yeah, the Human Torch was Bug from Uncle Buck.

[ObiWanFan4life]

*sighs*, I wanted this movie to be an underdog story, I wanted it to be ag least passable. Ironically, this makes for four subpar movies about the Fantastic Four.

[Vicky82]

I'm actually in my seat about to watch this movie, good thing I didn't pay for this movie (thank god for my unlimited card).

[THGhost]

I'm actually in my seat about to watch this movie, good thing I didn't pay for this movie (thank god for my unlimited card).

People could argue that you technically did pay, because you have an Unlimited card. :P

You ever get slapped in the face for being that guy?

No. Do you? ;)

[Leo656]

*sighs*, I wanted this movie to be an underdog story, I wanted it to be ag least passable. Ironically, this makes for four subpar movies about the Fantastic Four.

To be fair to Hollywood, I'm not convinced you can pull off Fantastic 4. I'm really not. It's inherently too cheesy and cornball to work as anything but a kids' movie (see all the comments about "The Incredibles"). The last two movies embraced all the corniness, and were in turn rejected by general audiences, who want their super-hero films to have more weight. This one tries to make it all "dark and serious", and in turn is rejected by everyone. It's like, how do you make this property work as a film?

I'unno if it's even worth trying. There's little, if anything, about the F4 that appeals to the general super-hero movie audience. Anything you can do in an F4 movie, can be and has been done better in other super-hero films. And the heart of F4, the "family" angle, is too saccharine for most of the general super-hero movie audience to get behind (I mean let's be real, males in their teens/20s are the main audience and they hate that kind of thing). Without that, you just have a handful of people with really, really awful and borderline-useless "super powers" trying to function without looking like complete idiots. It just doesn't work.

Everything from the top down about F4 as a concept screams as to being of a different time and place. It's so much a product of its time that I'm not even sure you CAN update it and make it "cool" or "relevant" without breaking it completely. I'unno if it's worth it to keep making movies about 'em. Make a cartoon show and aim it at the younger set, would be my approach. Other than "Everyone Gets A Movie Now", there's really no point in a live-action F4. I mean, how many times do you try something before you just admit it isn't working? It's clear that even if you could do it, Hollywood doesn't really know How to do it with these characters.

[Bry]

That says a lot, when the movie the studio only made to keep the IP and never release it is the best FF movie off the four movies we've gotten so far.

And even then, at least Constantin Film Produktion and New Horizons had the decency to never release their terrible Fantastic Four movie. What are your three excuses, Fox? :lol:

"Personal reasons."
Yeah, he left because of the studio's personal problems with him. ;)

I haven't seen Chronicle, but everything I've heard about Trank suggests he's a guy who made one pretty-good movie and then bought his own hype hard. He doesn't have the experience or cache to act like he's acting, and if he's managed to burn his bridges with two of the biggest studios around after being handed dream projects like freakin' birthday gifts, then his career's probably done for.

[ObiWanFan4life]

And even then, at least Constantin Film Produktion and New Horizons had the decency to never release their terrible Fantastic Four movie. What are your three excuses, Fox? :lol:



I haven't seen Chronicle, but everything I've heard about Trank suggests he's a guy who made one pretty-good movie and then bought his own hype hard. He doesn't have the experience or cache to act like he's acting, and if he's managed to burn his bridges with two of the biggest studios around after being handed dream projects like freakin' birthday gifts, then his career's probably done for.

Sounds familiar. *coughs* M. Night Shyamalan *coughs*

[Vicky82]

People could argue that you technically did pay, because you have an Unlimited card. :P


Well yeah I pay £16 a month, a normal price ticket is £10 so I need to watch a least 3+ movies a month so I don't lose money.

Anyway yes it was a terrible movie, worst Mavel movie so far. The 2005 and 2007 Fantastic 4 movies are way better.

The things I hated.

The runtime was too short
Not enough action so the final fight scene lasted like 5 minutes
The lack of use of there powers.

I hated that they were used as test subjects and used The Thing as a weapon to smash things up.
Sue didn't go with them to the other dimension, she got her powers when they returned.
Reed Richards being a pussy and ran off and went into hiding for a year.
I thought The actor who played Johnny Storm was crap he wasn't cracking jokes, he seemed too serious.
Didn't feel there was enough emotion.


The things I liked

It was Dark and Gritty.
The special effects were good but not spectacular.

Erm I think that's it.

[Bry]

Sounds familiar. *coughs* M. Night Shyamalan *coughs*

Hey, it's not far off. Though at least Shyamalan made two good movies before he went completely off the deep end. :lol:

This is the result of years and years of celebrating and revering the idea of an auteur - the one person with singular vision and immense talent who can be as arrogant and difficult as they want to because they're just that good. And now every young filmmaker with one hit to their name and enough hype online is ready to believe they're the next Hitchcock, Kubrick, or Tarantino, and they start acting like it even though they haven't remotely earned it. But the reality is, filmmaking is a naturally collaborative process and those true auteurs are very few and far between. I'd even say most good or great movies have involved a lot of give-and-take behind the scenes.

[TLP]

Reed Richards being a pussy and ran off and went into hiding for a year.

Oh man. Considering the story and tone, that's bleak as s***.

[ZariusTwo]

Make a cartoon show and aim it at the younger set, would be my approach

The FF cartoons have been hit-and-miss in the past. The first one is the best but they stuck very close to the comic at the time, the 70s had Herbie The Robot and that hysterical Magneto episode ("A Wooden Gun!"). The 90s series had an awful first season (though had an awesome theme song) and an impressive second season where they...ta da, adhered to the traditional comic book stories (and tossing in Ghost Rider kicking Galactus ass did'nt hurt), then there was the 2006 FF cartoon (from the same studio that made Code: Lyoko), which was somewhat passable (I'd easily choose it over the current crop of cartoons Marvel put out), but it did'nt quite catch on and never got a follow-up season

If Marvel gets their mits back on the movies, I sincerely hope they actually go full on with the family dynamic and toss in Franklyn and Valeria, and adapt the inaugural FF/Inhuman storyline as the first flick, avoid using Doom for a while.

[Memphis]

Yeah, the Human Torch was Bug from Uncle Buck.

Seriously? I didn't know that. lmao "Is his last name Spray?" XD

I'm pretty glad the movie bombed. I hated that they turned the group into the Scooby-Doo gang. I also hate that Johnny and Sue aren't related now because Johnny is black. I swear they did it hoping to get some controversy and attention for the change. Which they did, back when they announced it.

Like it was said before, I just cannot see Teller as a hero. The last thing I saw with him was that Effron movie last year. He's best suited as comic relief.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

:lol: Holy sh*t that "Doom" is all kinds of f*cktarded. This is exactly one of those "Let's do every single thing wrong on purpose" kinda movies. No WAY.

I'unno if I ever mentioned it, but as far as the older F4 movies go, I actually hated the first one and thought the second one was kind of okay, other than whatever the f*ck Galactus was supposed to be. I dug Surfer though, was kind of looking forward to his spin-off after they made such a big deal about it. The first F4 I just plain didn't like. You could tell that the movie itself was highly impressed with how clever and funny it was, but in reality it was neither of those things. I liked that the second one tried to take itself a little more seriously.

Word of mouth on this one's horrible; gotta wonder what's next.


Here's word from the horse's mouth- DON'T SEE IT. Gods it was BORING!! Seriously, it's the FIRST Marvel film that has had me bored almost to tears. It was slow, dull, and just- UGH. WTF did I just watch??!! Cause it sure as heck wasn't an FF movie. Nothing remotely interesting or fun there, and doom was just a pissy little boy who decided that he was going to go build his own sandbox by destroying everyone else's. Yeah, um.... Okay? No, on second thought, NOT okay!!!


hmm...I wanted to watch it...think I'll just go see Ant-man instead XD


Yes, please do. You'd have more fun. TRUST ME.


:lol: This movie has a freaking 7% on Rotten Tomatoes. Congratulations 2004 Catwoman, you are no longer the lowest rated Superhero movie out there.

We are quickly entering the Paul Blart danger zone, everyone. :lol:

That would be the wise thing to do.


7%? Dear gawds, I can see why. This is now the WORST FF movie to date. Really.


At this point, stabbing yourself in the eye with a plastic spoon is arguably a wiser thing to do. :tlol:


Yes, yes it would.... Wish I could, now. That's two hours I'll never get back. And I was ten minutes late getting in. guess I didn't miss anything.


Clawed it's way up to 10% now. I was expecting it to be bad, but not this bad. Guess I'll be downloading it within a few months instead of paying money to go see it, same with Pixels. :P


Don't even bother. You'll be better off.


I can see Fox selling the rights to Marvel now. After this movie bombed they're not going to bother with another one.


One can only HOPE.....


I'm actually in my seat about to watch this movie, good thing I didn't pay for this movie (thank god for my unlimited card).


You too, huh? Yeah, I just got out of it myself, and, blech. Were you bored the whole time, too?


Well yeah I pay £16 a month, a normal price ticket is £10 so I need to watch a least 3+ movies a month so I don't lose money.

Anyway yes it was a terrible movie, worst Mavel movie so far. The 2005 and 2007 Fantastic 4 movies are way better.

The things I hated.

The runtime was too short
Not enough action so the final fight scene lasted like 5 minutes
The lack of use of there powers.

I hated that they were used as test subjects and used The Thing as a weapon to smash things up.
Sue didn't go with them to the other dimension, she got her powers when they returned.
Reed Richards being a pussy and ran off and went into hiding for a year.
I thought The actor who played Johnny Storm was crap he wasn't cracking jokes, he seemed too serious.
Didn't feel there was enough emotion.


The things I liked

It was Dark and Gritty.
The special effects were good but not spectacular.

Erm I think that's it.


All of this, except- run time too short? My gods, I just wanted the darn thing to END!!! It felt like it was dragging, even in the "action" parts- which were too few, too short, and just plain dull, anyway.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Yes, yes it would.... Wish I could, now. That's two hours I'll never get back. And I was ten minutes late getting in. guess I didn't miss anything.

Poor life choice on your part. If you had stabbed yourself in the eye with a plastic spoon, you'd be wearing a totally bitchin' eyepatch right now! Like a pirate! Argh! :twink:

[MsMarvelDuckie]

No thanks. My eyes are bad enough already. Legally blind without my glasses, man. Don't need to add to it. :trazz:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

No thanks. My eyes are bad enough already. Legally blind without my glasses, man. Don't need to add to it. :trazz:

So you added to your eyesight problems by watching a terrible movie? :tlol:

I'm right there with ya... if it weren't for corrective lenses, I'd be as blind as Matt Murdock but without the awesome super-senses.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

No, didn't add to them, but I definitely need the brain-bleach now to try to forget I saw it.

[Jester]

Silly question: Was there a Stan Lee cameo?

[Vicky82]

No he didn't show, I bet he knew it was going to be bad.

Also there was no post credit scene.

It's predicted to do about 31 million on opening weekend

BoxOffice ‏@BoxOffice 9m
Early domestic opening projection: $31 million-$33 million for #FantasticFour.

I hope it does less than that.

Only 6 months till Deadpool, Only 6 Months till Deadpool, Only 6 months till Deadpool.

[TurtleTitan97]

With the way things are going there's no way this film is going to make that much money.

[Bry]

It's predicted to do about 31 million on opening weekend

BoxOffice ‏@BoxOffice 9m
Early domestic opening projection: $31 million-$33 million for #FantasticFour.

I hope it does less than that.

Projections are dropping like a stone, huh? This is from Deadline (https://deadline.com/2015/08/fantastic-four-the-gift-shaun-the-sheep-matinees-1201495506/):

"Fantastic Four looks like it’s off to a strong start, despite everyone and their brother (including the film’s own director) going after this film (it has a Rotten Tomatoes score of … wait for it … 10%). Fox’s next (last?) in a franchise could take in around $10M to $12M on Friday which means it would come in soft around $30M. Ugh. But, it’s still early yet and we expect its core audience to come out tonight so will take a wait and see approach."

Sounds like it very richly (poorly?) deserves to bomb. A $30m opening weekend is awful for a $120m-budget movie.

[Darth Knuckles]

I'm not a big fan of The Fantastic Four in general and since this is getting so much hate I'll probably skip it. I was just wondering for anyone who's seen it what they thought about Dr. Doom. Specifically his voice, where his cape/cloak "came from", and just his overall appearance I guess.

[Vicky82]

I'm not a big fan of The Fantastic Four in general and since this is getting so much hate I'll probably skip it. I was just wondering for anyone who's seen it what they thought about Dr. Doom. Specifically his voice, where his cape/cloak "came from", and just his overall appearance I guess.

Well it's pretty hard to explain on what he was like.

He was completly covered in metal, fused with his suit with green stuff. They all thought he was dead but apparently he just been wondering around in that dimension for a year and he had a cape on when they found him. How he got a cape, I have no idea. How he survived for a year without food or water, I have no idea but de due to this power he had it probably kept him alive. He was also killing people in pretty gruesome ways burning them/exploding them ect.

He was acting like a hippie throughout this movie and at the end he trys to destroy the world because he thinks it's bad anyway and wants to create a new world in this dimension.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Silly question: Was there a Stan Lee cameo?


Nope. Odd, but I don't recall one in DoFP, either. Maybe he's not doing them anymore.


No he didn't show, I bet he knew it was going to be bad.

Also there was no post credit scene.

It's predicted to do about 31 million on opening weekend

BoxOffice ‏@BoxOffice 9m
Early domestic opening projection: $31 million-$33 million for #FantasticFour.

I hope it does less than that.

Only 6 months till Deadpool, Only 6 Months till Deadpool, Only 6 months till Deadpool.


Ditto to this. And I will confirm no end-credits scene. Disappointing on multiple fronts.


I'm not a big fan of The Fantastic Four in general and since this is getting so much hate I'll probably skip it. I was just wondering for anyone who's seen it what they thought about Dr. Doom. Specifically his voice, where his cape/cloak "came from", and just his overall appearance I guess.


His voice inexplicably changes drastically, and the cloak? Have NO idea where it came from. The rest of it was just his suit fused to his body, along with some metal and apparently whatever the green stuff was on the planet in that other dimension.


Well it's pretty hard to explain on what he was like.

He was completly covered in metal, fused with his suit with green stuff. They all thought he was dead but apparently he just been wondering around in that dimension for a year and he had a cape on when they found him. How he got a cape, I have no idea. How he survived for a year without food or water, I have no idea but de due to this power he had it probably kept him alive. He was also killing people in pretty gruesome ways burning them/exploding them ect.

He was acting like a hippie throughout this movie and at the end he trys to destroy the world because he thinks it's bad anyway and wants to create a new world in this dimension.



Yeah, that was something I couldn't swallow, either. Along with why Johnny (who has NEVER been a "follower" or conformist in ANY way) just took the little carrot the government was offering. Same with Ben. As if they couldn't see right through the false promises. So dumb.

[TurtleTitan97]

Nope. Odd, but I don't recall one in DoFP, either. Maybe he's not doing them anymore.


He did a recent cameo in Ant-Man though.

[Darth Knuckles]

Well it's pretty hard to explain on what he was like.

He was completly covered in metal, fused with his suit with green stuff. They all thought he was dead but apparently he just been wondering around in that dimension for a year and he had a cape on when they found him. How he got a cape, I have no idea. How he survived for a year without food or water, I have no idea but de due to this power he had it probably kept him alive. He was also killing people in pretty gruesome ways burning them/exploding them ect.

He was acting like a hippie throughout this movie and at the end he trys to destroy the world because he thinks it's bad anyway and wants to create a new world in this dimension.


Thank you for your response Vicky82.

I asked specifically about his cape because I saw an interview where the actor of Dr. Doom wondered if someone who was interviewing him, who had already seen the film, noticed where his character Dr. Doom acquired his cape from. Toby Kebbell acted like it would be interesting if the audience could follow where Dr. Doom got his cape from. That's really why I asked that question so specifically. Thanks!

[Andrew NDB]

http://41.media.tumblr.com/0754698bb5974576eb58b1dad79fc329/tumblr_nsoksukpow1rg2j3ko1_500.jpg

[Bry]

Nope. Odd, but I don't recall one in DoFP, either. Maybe he's not doing them anymore.

Marvel and Fox have a strained/hostile/openly hateful relationship at this point, so it's very possible Marvel's made a deal with Stan to avoid appearing in their movies entirely.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

That would make sense. At this point, I'd prefer if he didn't in the Fox films, since they seem to be treating the properties so poorly aside from X-Men. The less he has to do with them, the better, IMHO. He deserves better than that.

[Darth Knuckles]

That would make sense. At this point, I'd prefer if he didn't in the Fox films, since they seem to be treating the properties so poorly aside from X-Men. The less he has to do with them, the better, IMHO. He deserves better than that.

I'm pretty sure Stan Lee is going to be in Deadpool though. I think I heard he was in the SDCC red band trailer for Deadpool. I've also heard that he has been talking about his yet unseen cameo in X-Men: Apocalypse too.

[Autbot_Benz]

I wish They would Netflix Fantastic Four like they did with Daredevil

[Andrew NDB]

I wish They would Netflix Fantastic Four like they did with Daredevil

While that'd be awesome, I doubt it. Pretty much every frame of it would need heavy CGI assists and that would be very costly.

My bet is Marvel will re-absorb the FF and just utilize Galactus and keep FF on the shelf for at least a few more years before doing anything with them.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

I'm pretty sure Stan Lee is going to be in Deadpool though. I think I heard he was in the SDCC red band trailer for Deadpool. I've also heard that he has been talking about his yet unseen cameo in X-Men: Apocalypse too.


I knew about the Deadpool one, which is fine. It looks promising, and hopefully will redeem the character after what Wolverine: Origins did to him. I guess I just feel like Stan was seriously let down by this movie, since it WAS about one of his creations.

[Commenter 42]

I knew about the Deadpool one, which is fine. It looks promising, and hopefully will redeem the character after what Wolverine: Origins did to him. I guess I just feel like Stan was seriously let down by this movie, since it WAS about one of his creations.

Deadpool looks to be the most comic accurate CBM ever made, so why am I disappoint?

I didn't laugh once during the trailer, or even crack a smile. I thought the humor fell flat. Maybe it's me, but I was expecting it to be the kind of blue comedy that would make 4chan blush. Instead it felt really safe.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Which trailer did you watch? The red or green one? Granted, Deadpool is usually pretty ribald and full of stuff that's NSFW, but only as far as Marvel will let him be. His comic isn't in the MAXX line, sadly, unlike Punisher. Still, it promises to be good, gory, violent, risqué, tongue-in-cheek fun. And definitely NOT kiddie-fare!

[Commenter 42]

Which trailer did you watch? The red or green one? Granted, Deadpool is usually pretty ribald and full of stuff that's NSFW, but only as far as Marvel will let him be. His comic isn't in the MAXX line, sadly, unlike Punisher. Still, it promises to be good, gory, violent, risqué, tongue-in-cheek fun. And definitely NOT kiddie-fare!

The redband. Yeah, but like, not far enough? Nothing in the trailer was that crazy - one zinger about GL, another about masterbation.... tame **** for a redband trailer.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

And the brown pants comment, the three head-shots with one bullet, the stuff in the early "leaked" test footage (Trevor, I'm pregnant", and "Damn, I wish I was your lover" bits especially) the drawing at the beginning, constant fourth-wall breaking.... Yeah, this will be VERY much like the actual comic! Also- "less angry Rosie O'Donnel", ROFL! And Weasel and Domino are both in it, which is good. It shows they aren't just slapping him into a movie just "because", but actually have some of his other relationships worked into it.

Anyway, I wouldn't expect the trailer to be TOO crazy, simply because it will inevitably be seen by kids and parents, so they probably want to keep it "safe" until the movie comes out, and just keep the harder stuff for the actual movie. But man, some of those one-liners- SOOO DP!!

[Leo656]

Actually, I'm with 42 on this one, although I liked what I saw in the trailer. But I admit, after all the hype, I was expecting something a little more like Kick-Ass as far as how "hardcore" it was going to be. Trailer felt like they were playing it way too safe compared to how they were talking it up.

I liked it. I laughed. But it fell far short of expectations. There's always the chance they saved the "meaty stuff" for later on, but I figure why not get people talking about it now? I'unno. Felt like they were playing it too safe, I agree. Still looks good, though.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Well, again, they probably didn't want to put too much "meat" in trailers that will be seen by kids and parents (who then might protest and make too much negative hype) so I can understand why they did it that way. We know it will be R at any rate, so most likely they're saving back plenty of the "good stuff" for later- and hopefully for the movie itself, so more people will want to see it!

[chrisdude]

I thoroughly enjoyed the movie. Definitely more than the older ones, or Ant Man. I understand why it didn't match up with expectations, but I certainly toodon't see why it has such bad reviews. I thought it was an exciting scifi story. But it is a scifi movie, not a superhero movie. It's a shame they didn't get that across in promotion.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Unfortunately, that's half the problem. It was a superhero movie without any superheroes (or action). Or a sci-fi movie that just tossed some superhero characters into the story "just because". It was trying to be two things, and didn't succeed at either well enough to work.

[chrisdude]

Unfortunately, that's half the problem. It was a superhero movie without any superheroes (or action). Or a sci-fi movie that just tossed some superhero characters into the story "just because". It was trying to be two things, and didn't succeed at either well enough to work.Obviously, I disagree that the movie didn't work. But the hill I would be battling up in defending this movie is just too tall. I'm five times as alone as I am in loving Superman Returns.

[Leo656]

It's okay, man, I love Superman Returns. I probably love it more than you do.

This thing looks like sh*t, though. :lol: I wanna see it one day, on DVD probably, but who knows when. Some future "Buy Two Used Get One Used Free" day at FYE, probably. That's usually when I stock up on bullsh*t.

[Commenter 42]

I love Kate Mara. If I see it, it will be for her and her alone.

I can't stand M.B Jordan. Guy's an arrogant tit.

Leo - you need to get yourself a Blu-ray player man. A DVD is not good enough. A player is literally like 25$ dude. The Donner films, and Returns look way ****ing better in HD.

Sadly, MOS still looks like crap.

[Bry]

I'll always defend Superman Returns. Plot issues aside, it looks good, there are some definitive Superman action sequences that haven't been done better, and Brandon Routh is severely underrated.

There's a difference between something that hits certain high points but fell short elsewhere, and something that utterly bombed. Some people can't see the difference, unfortunately. Superman Returns was always the former, and it deserves more respect than it gets.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

I can sum her role up in three words. Pretty, smart cheuffer. That's basically what she gets reduced to. "Hey Sue? We need a lift to that other dimension. Can you bubble us over? Thanks."

Johnny was a selfish little twit, who just wanted in on the "history-making" moment. And to get his car back from his dad. GREEAAT motivation! Where's my Johnny who flirts with every girl in sight, cracks jokes as much as Peter, and likes to show off his powers while he poses for pics with fans? Where's the guy comparing black books with Tony Stark?! This was not him. And Doom was a whiney cynical jerk who was a poor loser.

[Leo656]

I've got a PS3, I'm just not insanely picky. I watch my sh*t on whatever I have plugged in that day. And I'm pretty sure even the magic of HD can't fix the fact that Routh turns into a video game character every goddamn time he flies. :lol:

Still love it though. And you're right, Bry. That plane scene, for just one, was off the hizzy. There's a lot of great and exciting and well-done sh*t in that flick; at the time I just heard a bunch of people bitching because "He didn't fight anybody", when X-Men 3 had just come out like 3 weeks earlier, and was a piece of sh*t but so hyped up on adrenaline that it got everybody in a "mood" for a certain type of comic book movie, and "Returns" wasn't it. There's some personal and sentimental reasons why it's my favorite in the series, but there's a strong case to be made for it being the best Superman movie, period. It fixed a lot of what was wrong with the old ones and avoided a lot of the problems MoS fell into by trying to be too "different" from what people expected. You're also spot-on about the visuals; it's very colorful, and all the "classic" architecture for Metropolis itself just looked amazing.

Also not wrong about the box office and the general idea that the movie "failed". It didn't make as much as they hoped for, but it didn't do much worse in the end than the universally loved "Batman Begins", which spawned a trilogy. It was also one of the biggest-selling DVDs that year, #1 when it first came out. So it had success, just not quite what they'd hoped for. They were still talking about doing the sequel as late as three whole years later, they just changed their minds due to shifting public opinion. It's like the Star Wars prequels; no matter what it's become hip to say, people loved it at the time.

I like the way ya think, guy. :tgrin:

[Commenter 42]

I'll always defend Superman Returns. Plot issues aside, it looks good, there are some definitive Superman action sequences that haven't been done better, and Brandon Routh is severely underrated.

There's a difference between something that hits certain high points but fell short elsewhere, and something that utterly bombed. Some people can't see the difference, unfortunately. Superman Returns was always the former, and it deserves more respect than it gets.

Yeah, I'm torn. When the suit was revealed, I was pretty disappointed. The I read that we'd see the crystal ship, and I was excited. I followed all the media leading up to the release, and went on opening night. I left the theater ecstatic!
As time wore on, and after repeat viewings, it held up less, and less and less.
It's not a bad film, agreed, but it's missing the charm. Routh has one or two great moments, and might have pulled it off given a better co-star - but Bosworth is a charisma suck in that film like nothing I've watched before or since. She dours down hard, dragging every scene with her into the huge foreheaded abyss of awkward and miserable. I don't get it. i've watched her own other roles, but here, it's like she's making the audience suffer for forcing her to play Lois. I don't get it.

That with Parker Posey scene stealing every chance she got, the weird color cast, and Superkid ...

Donner 1 & Donner 2 remain the high water mark, Then the Fliesher cartoons a close second, Batman/Superman Worlds finest 3rd....Then Returns, Superman 3, etc...MOS sits just above Lois and Clark at the very bottom of my list, right next to the musical.:lol:

I can sum her role up in three words. Pretty, smart cheuffer. That's basically what she gets reduced to. "Hey Sue? We need a lift to that other dimension. Can you bubble us over? Thanks."

Johnny was a selfish little twit, who just wanted in on the "history-making" moment. And to get his car back from his dad. GREEAAT motivation! Where's my Johnny who flirts with every girl in sight, cracks jokes as much as Peter, and likes to show off his powers while he poses for pics with fans? Where's the guy comparing black books with Tony Stark?! This was not him. And Doom was a whiney cynical jerk who was a poor loser.

Kate Mara in house of Cards is, dear god, everything...lawdy lawdy lawdy. She would have made a BRILLIANT April or Lois, in many ways more Lois.

She's not sue storm though - she's pretty much the complete antithesis of Storm.

The rest seem to be pretty much what i'm expecting.

[JakeSully]

Fox should focus only on X-Men and Deadpool movies and leave other Marvel comic properties alone, now that this movie is a failure i'm sure in 5 years we'll get rights to FF back to Marvel Studios.

Ant-Man is way better than this crap as it least it's well written and exciting than this movie.

[TonySiegel]

The fantastic four has lost their way... will they ever be respected by the general audience/movie crowd?

[JakeSully]

The fantastic four has lost their way... will they ever be respected by the general audience/movie crowd?

Unless in 5 years, Marvel gets the rights back.

We need Doom and Galactus in the MCU.

[Groverman62]

I really dont like the Thing's look in this movie, he just like sculpture a child put together from their dog's poop.

[Commenter 42]

I really dont like the Thing's look in this movie, he just like sculpture a child put together from their dog's poop.

The thing has always looked like poop - orange poop, but still poop.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I'll always defend Superman Returns. Plot issues aside, it looks good, there are some definitive Superman action sequences that haven't been done better, and Brandon Routh is severely underrated.

There's a difference between something that hits certain high points but fell short elsewhere, and something that utterly bombed. Some people can't see the difference, unfortunately. Superman Returns was always the former, and it deserves more respect than it gets.

It's okay, man, I love Superman Returns. I probably love it more than you do.

This thing looks like sh*t, though. :lol: I wanna see it one day, on DVD probably, but who knows when. Some future "Buy Two Used Get One Used Free" day at FYE, probably. That's usually when I stock up on bullsh*t.

Obviously, I disagree that the movie didn't work. But the hill I would be battling up in defending this movie is just too tall. I'm five times as alone as I am in loving Superman Returns.

I definitely enjoyed Returns more than Man of Steel. Kevin Spacey was the best part of the film for me. Waaayyy more interesting than Zod. They also remembered that this was a SUPERMAN movie and by that, I mean the tone.

[TigerClaw]

If Marvel ever gets the rights back, You think they can do a better Fantastic Four movie?

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Without a doubt.

[JakeSully]

Without a doubt.

Indeed they would do a better movie.

I think fox should only stick to X-Men and Deadpool and leave other Marvel properties alone.

[Commenter 42]

Indeed they would do a better movie.

I think fox should only stick to X-Men and Deadpool and leave other Marvel properties alone.

The cinematic X-men are boring. Quicksilvers scene was great, but the rest? It all feels stale. I think it would be great to see everything Marvel, back at Marvel.

But I'm getting nervous about Marvel's take on Spiderman....
That glowy shizz....why? Reminds me of stay safe halloween costumes.


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0kSOL7rru7g/Va--B7wDSyI/AAAAAAAAKXc/5stmBkd8PRI/s1600/Amazing_Spider-Man_1_Promo.0.jpg

[JakeSully]

The cinematic X-men are boring. Quicksilvers scene was great, but the rest? It all feels stale.

And you think X-Men movies feel too preachy? some people say so.


Deadpool looks badass though.

[NinjaPug]

They're projecting $28 million for he opening weekend box office. That's bad - really really bad. Green Hornet made $35 million for comparisons sake without the added inflation F4 received.

Fox needs to give it up and just concentrate on the X-Men universe. Give us more X-Men and Deadpool and expand into X-Force and New Mutants movies. Fox obviously has no clue how to make a viable or good F4 movie.

[JakeSully]

They're projecting $28 million for he opening weekend box office. That's bad - really really bad. Green Hornet made $35 million for comparisons sake without the added inflation F4 received.

Fox needs to give it up and just concentrate on the X-Men universe. Give us more X-Men and Deadpool and expand into X-Force and New Mutants movies. Fox obviously has no clue how to make a viable or good F4 movie.

Most agree Ninjapug and do you agree Marvel is better suited for F4? Fox knows how to do good X-Men despite a few bad ones and have no clue for F4.

And do you think Galactus and Doom would be unique villains for MCU? now those would make good Avengers villains even Galactus in a Guardians sequel

[NinjaPug]

Yes I think Marvel can make a good F4 movie. For one, they actually understand the characters. People keep saying it's not possible to make a good F4 movie. That's BS. It's just not possible for Fox to make one. Marvel made a good GOTG and Ant-Man movies for crying out loud - of course they could make a good movie about Marvel's First Family. I've said it many times before but I want Marvel to get the rights back simply for the ancillary characters associated with the franchise.

I don't agree that Fox has made good X-Men movies though. First Class is the only movie I'd consider good and I think that's because of Matthew Vaughn. The Wolverine was good until the terrible third act. Deadpool looks like it could be good simply because fans of the character have been fighting to get this movie made for 10 years. Hopefully the studio doesn't interfere too much like they did on F4. Fox sucks even without Tom Rothman running things.

[Foombamaroom]

The problem with Fox is that they want to do their movies "their way." Marvel directors complain that Marvel has too much control and won't let them do their own style? Suck it the f*ck up. No one goes to a comic book movie to see a director's style: they go to see the comic book property on the big screen. That's why Marvel's so successful. The guy who directed Thor 2 said he didn't have enough creative control, but Thor 2 was a decent film. Then, 2 years later, Terminator Genisys comes out, and it's godawful. But hey, he had creative control. -_- Fox just wants profits. At least Marvel legitimately ENJOYS satisfying their fans because then they make profits. If you satisfy the fans, you make money: it really isn't a hard concept. So what if you feel it's "lame", Fox? What you feel is lame may be something that people love. And hey, if you put it in the film, YOU. WILL. MAKE. MONEY.

[ZariusTwo]

The cinematic X-men are boring. Quicksilvers scene was great, but the rest? It all feels stale. I think it would be great to see everything Marvel, back at Marvel.

But I'm getting nervous about Marvel's take on Spiderman....
That glowy shizz....why? Reminds me of stay safe halloween costumes.


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0kSOL7rru7g/Va--B7wDSyI/AAAAAAAAKXc/5stmBkd8PRI/s1600/Amazing_Spider-Man_1_Promo.0.jpg

This right here is why I burst a gut laughing whenever some shmuck tells me Marvel understands their characters. They haven't had a clue how to keep their flagship hero Spider-Man relevant for almost a decade now. His most recent success came when Doctor Octopus took over his body for a year. Now they're making him Tony Stark-lite.

btw, Marvel are actually trying to claim Iron Man is their flagship guy now.

[Autbot_Benz]

I think Fox made good X-men Movies. Days of Future Past was excellent The Wolverine was good until the 3rd act with Iron Samurai. X2 was good too.

First class was Crap they had the wrong group of X-men. The first class is supposed to be Cyclops Jean Iceman Beast and Angel.

[NinjaPug]

This right here is why I burst a gut laughing whenever some shmuck tells me Marvel understands their characters. They haven't had a clue how to keep their flagship hero Spider-Man relevant for almost a decade now. His most recent success came when Doctor Octopus took over his body for a year. Now they're making him Tony Stark-lite.

btw, Marvel are actually trying to claim Iron Man is their flagship guy now.

When I said Marvel understands their characters I was referring to Marvel Studios / Feige. Not what's currently going on in the books.

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

I'm leaving to see this in a few minutes...I really know nothing about The Fantastic Four, so I actually anticipate liking this movie. I know there has been a crapstorm attached to this movie from the beginning, but I think the low boxoffice numbers are with every movie this weekend, and it might have to do with the theater shootings the last two weeks...I know I'm actually a little hesitant to even go to the movies...

[ZariusTwo]

When I said Marvel understands their characters I was referring to Marvel Studios / Feige. Not what's currently going on in the books.

And in the cartoons too.

Marvel are quite fortunate to have Fiege on their payroll. Despite my own issues with how overrated the Marvel movies are, I'd prefer they be the main canon over much of the comic output.

[TigerClaw]

Yeah, Marvel can do a great job on an FF movie, As long as it sticks to the core value that it's about a family, it's something Fox doesn't understand with there version of FF. they don't seem to get Dr Doom, Hes from Latveria and rules that fictional country.

[ZariusTwo]

Looks like FOX have opted out of FF2, wanting instead for a Deadpool sequel to take up the slot

http://www.dailysuperhero.com/2015/08/rumor-fox-may-already-be-considering.html

[chrisdude]

The problem with Fox is that they want to do their movies "their way." Marvel directors complain that Marvel has too much control and won't let them do their own style? Suck it the f*ck up. No one goes to a comic book movie to see a director's style: they go to see the comic book property on the big screen. That's why Marvel's so successful. The guy who directed Thor 2 said he didn't have enough creative control, but Thor 2 was a decent film. Then, 2 years later, Terminator Genisys comes out, and it's godawful. But hey, he had creative control. -_- Fox just wants profits. At least Marvel legitimately ENJOYS satisfying their fans because then they make profits. If you satisfy the fans, you make money: it really isn't a hard concept. So what if you feel it's "lame", Fox? What you feel is lame may be something that people love. And hey, if you put it in the film, YOU. WILL. MAKE. MONEY.If I disagreed any more with this post, I would melt like a witch and die.

It really bums me out when people expect filmmakers to have no vision for comic book movies. Decades of comic writers get to be creative, push boundaries and try new things, but if you're making a movie, you better stick to the damned book. If it was in a comic - even a comic published fifty years after the character was created - feel free to put it in your movie. But you'd better not try something that hasn't been comic-tested first. Movies just aren't the place for that.

Nearly every MCU film can be described "The hero fights to stop a guy from misusing an infinity stone/someone else's technology to become rich/powerful." (Go down the list if you don't believe me.) Cast good actors and make sure the origin story is recognizable, and they'll do exactly what you said, "satisfy." But just that. Marvel Studios movies are movies that millions of people are willing to see, but they're hardly anyone's favorite movies, for the same reason McDonald's is nobody's favorite restaurant. The chorus of "Do it like Marvel" makes my head hurt.

[TurtleTitan97]

In the case of FF, "Do it like Marvel" may be the greatest piece of advice for it. Because Fox clearly doesn't know how to handle these characters.

[ZariusTwo]

If FOX are willing to listen, they could loosen the hold in time for some FF characters to drop into an Inhumans movie, and give us the Johnny/Crystal love story

[chrisdude]

The thing about Fox is, unlike Sony, they have other properties to work with. They may be able to pull a Batman v Superman, and find some way to continue the use the property to make money. Man of Steel was no flop, but it did fail to impress. Hype sells the first movie, but the first movie sells the second movie. The second movie was in trouble. I don't believe for a second that BvS was intended to be the next film. They leveraged Batman to save Superman. Whatever the decision is, I don't expect them to make it so quickly. FF is after all, a comic book franchise, and they may still see potential in. It doesn't have to make Marvel money to be relatively valuable to Fox.

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

I just got back from seeing this...again I know next to nothing about FF other than their names, and their powers. I thought this was a good Scify movie. I don't think it needs or deserves a sequel, it was a decent one off movie.

Before the movie they showed the Green Band Deadpool trailer and a bunch of little kids went nuts. "I WANNA SEE DEADPOOL" they said....ohhh boy...wait until they find out it's rated R. They should release a PG-13 version as well as an R...I bet it would make a ton.

[ZariusTwo]

Just read on the twitter feed of Nerdpocalypse that FOX are sending out a survey to determine the next course for the Four

[NinjaPug]

I'm really curious to see what happens with the F4 going forward.

I wish I knew all the details about their film rights. I think Constantin Films (did the Corman film) technically owns the rights to the characters forever. They have been leasing the rights to Fox for some time thanks to a deal with Marvel 10-15 years ago.. I think there is a stipulation that Fox has to make a movie every 7 years or the rights will be leased to Marvel.

[TigerClaw]

Fox can just continue with there own cinematic universe with the X-Men movies, they got Deadpool coming out, and then X-Men: Apocalypse after that.

I remember reading about a year ago, That they wanted to do an X-Force movie, and Deadpool was part of that team.

Fox can make a cinematic universe based on all the X-Men spinoff comics. Such as Excalibur X-Factor, and Alpha Flight to name a few.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

X-Factor. Ooh, yes! I want to see Jamie and crew in a movie! And not that crap version of him from X3. Monet, Guido, Siren, Wolfbane, Layla.... Yes, please!! (But only if Peter David writes the script.)

[TigerClaw]

Fox is also planning the Gambit movie. there has been some news about one of the female leads for it.
http://nerdist.com/gambit-movie-narrows-bella-donna-search-to-three-actresses/

[Foombamaroom]

Fox is also planning the Gambit movie. there has been some news about one of the female leads for it.
http://nerdist.com/gambit-movie-narrows-bella-donna-search-to-three-actresses/

*Sees this*
Oh no.

[Autbot_Benz]

http://www.slashfilm.com/fantastic-four-movie-cast-killed-comics/

The Cast of the new Film gets killed in this Punisher Comic. Ultimate Troll move by Marvel

[TurtleTitan97]

Troll move? Maybe. But awesomely hilarious? Oh absolutely! :lol:

Also, according to the date of the article, this is from last year.

[NinjaPug]

Even lower than originally projected:

“@ERCboxoffice: Fantastic Fail! Fox's FANTASTIC FOUR reboot was rejected scoring just $26.2M in its 2nd place debut.”

[TLP]

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=123784

Apparently, they're still not giving up the F4 film rights.

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