The Rock Confirmed To Play Black Adam In DC's "SHAZAM" Movie

[Leo656]

So, after years of speculation, The Rock is finally confirmed to be playing Black Adam in the upcoming Captain Marvel/ "SHAZAM!" film from DC/WB.

http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/wwe/Tournament_Finals_and_More_on_Tonight_s_WWE_NXT_Th e_Rock_Comments_More_on_Black_Adam.html

- The Rock wrote more on Facebook yesterday about his role as Black Adam in DC Comics' Shazam movie:

"This role has been years in the making. A true honor for me to become my favorite comic anti-hero of all time - BLACK ADAM. Lets have some fun."

I really don't like The Rock in much, but I've been saying for years this is the role he was born to play. I honestly can't think of more perfect, spot-on casting for anything than this. I've always liked Captain Marvel; my hopes for this movie honestly went up a ton after reading this.

I know some people were speculating and would prefer that he play Captain Marvel/Shazam himself, but it's better this way. He'd have been a "decent" Captain Marvel but a PERFECT Black Adam. Sometimes you just shouldn't go against the grain.

Thoughts?

[NinjaPug]

Don't care about Shazam or Black Adam..I'm just glad the whole "who is the Rock playing" speculation can finally end.

It's pretty dumb on WB's part to have this movie separate from the new DC universe. Why are you wasting the Rock?

[arkangel]

I'll be honest bro.
I'm not the biggest Rock fan, but I can see how they are connecting the dots. The perfect egyptian anti-Shazam is a hard casting call. Let's hope they do it some justice..

[Slade]

I'm in that Rock should be Black Adam boat. Been in it for years.

Now to just find out who will be Shazam! Wonder if they'll even call him Captain Marvel? I know Injustice doesn't, but MkvsDc did.

[psychturtle]

Not a big fan of these characters. Wish the rock was in a better role.

[BubblyShell22]

You know, when I first heard about this, I thought they were doing a reboot of the Shazam movie that Shaq starred in. Glad to hear that's not the case. I'm not familiar with this character, but it's cool that he's playing someone he admires. I'm sure he'll do the role justice.

[JakeSully]

Good casting

[Slade]

Good casting

I think so too.


Oh and Bubbly, that's Kazam

[BubblyShell22]

Ah, okay. I got it wrong. My bad. Nice new username, BTW.

[Slade]

I used to get em confused too! Haha.


Thanks.

[ObiWanFan4life]

I personally think that The Rock would be suited to play Shazam, but Black Adam would suit him well too.

[shuriken]

Didn't DC just start calling Captain Marvel Shazam due to legality issues? That and or confusion. But good for the Rock, I'm just wondering who Shazam's gonna be.

[TurtleTitan97]

Didn't DC just start calling Captain Marvel Shazam due to legality issues?

Yeah, it was because Marvel also had a character called Captain Marvel as well. And because they gained the trademark to the name, DC had to change the name of Cap to "Shazam".

Which doesn't really make sense considering Captain Marvel/Shazam was created in 1941 and the Marvel character didn't appear till 1967.

[sdp]

The Rock wouldn't make a good Captain Marvel, he makes a great Black Adam. My favorite scene from that character is in Villains United in a meeting he is floating and they ask him why he is floating and his explanation was just an awesome character moment, from then on I've been a fan.

So Captain Marvel is Shazam now? That's lame, what's the name of the Wizard now? Captain Marvel? And I don't think they changed the name because of a legal battle, I think it was DCs plan? It seems that way from what I read. Maybe they didn't want to give Marvel any promotion by having Captain Marvel as a movie/comic around.

Anyway, a captain marvel movie is not something I really would ask for, and I like the character but now that they're doing it I hope it's really out there with ideas to differentiate him from Superman. Take advantage of the kid in a supermans body and the fantasy elements.

[Slade]

The wizard is still Shazam. I'm pretty sure it's cus of Marvel's Captain that he has to be called Shazam.

[TigerClaw]

Take this with a grain of salt, but Alan Ritchson who played Raphael in the recent TMNT movies, might actually play Shazam.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/shazam/is-tmnt-out-of-the-shadows-alan-ritchson-playing-shazam-a145206

[Coola Yagami]

Don't care about Shazam or Black Adam..I'm just glad the whole "who is the Rock playing" speculation can finally end.

It's pretty dumb on WB's part to have this movie separate from the new DC universe. Why are you wasting the Rock?

We'll the DCCU kinda sucks so.... distancing themselves from it might give this movie a chance. Kinda wish Suicide squad did the same thing tbh.

[Commenter 42]

Take this with a grain of salt, but Alan Ritchson who played Raphael in the recent TMNT movies, might actually play Shazam.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/shazam/is-tmnt-out-of-the-shadows-alan-ritchson-playing-shazam-a145206

Worst. Decision. EVER.

[Andrew NDB]

We'll the DCCU kinda sucks so.... distancing themselves from it might give this movie a chance.

You're replying to an old post. It's since been confirmed to be a part of the DC cinematic universe.

Me, I give two craps about Shazam, but who knows. I'd rather see the Rock play Darkseid under heavy makeup, layething the smacketh down on those jabronis named Ben Affleck and Henry Cavill, checking them into the Smackdown Hotel. There was actually some pretty cool fan designs for the Rock as Apocalypse in that last X-Men... attempt... that were pretty compelling.

[Commenter 42]

I missed the part where The Rock became a serious actor.
Captain Marvel could be fun, but they're ****ing it up.
The potential is huge, given the source material.

Shame for Shazam.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I missed the part where The Rock became a serious actor.
Captain Marvel could be fun, but they're ****ing it up.
The potential is huge, given the source material.

Shame for Shazam.

Snitch and Faster. Give 'em a watch.

But this project? ... Eh. Not really interested.

[Andrew NDB]

Snitch and Faster. Give 'em a watch.

How is Snitch? It looked like it could possibly be interesting but the trailers didn't really grab me.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

How is Snitch? It looked like it could possibly be interesting but the trailers didn't really grab me.

I liked it. If I remember correctly, the wife liked it, too.

Not compelling enough to watch it again, but serviceable.

[Commenter 42]

I liked it. If I remember correctly, the wife liked it, too.

Not compelling enough to watch it again, but serviceable.

Yeah, no. He's a birthday clown at best.
I mean, in a world where Trump could be president, I guess it makes sense...

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/files/2016/02/idiocracy.jpg

[MontanaMax1982]

Now that is great casting.

[NinjaPug]

And here's today's story of DC throwing **** at the wall hoping it looks like they have an actual plan.........

Dwayne Johnson’s DC Villain Black Adam to Get His Own Spinoff

After announcing plans to make a “Shazam” movie with Dwayne Johnson attached to play the antagonist Black Adam, New Line Cinema and DC Entertainment have now decided to expand the property with a second film.

New Line first announced the project in the fall of 2014 with Johnson on board to star and Darren Lemke set to pen the script. After a successful meeting with Johnson, the studio has decided to add a spinoff film to the universe that will focus on Johnson’s character.


http://variety.com/2017/film/news/dwayne-johnsons-black-adam-dc-spinoff-1201964119/

[TurtleTitan97]

Good grief....

[Andrew NDB]

Shouldn't they want to wait and see how Shazam does befor --

Oh, never mind. It's not even possible to make excuses for DC anymore.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Ridiculous. Utterly ridiculous.

[Andrew NDB]

Shazam movie CANCELLED... Man of Steel 2 to have Black Adam as the main villain?

http://www.screengeek.net/2017/04/10/rumor-black-adam-main-villain-man-of-steel-2-shazam-cancelled/

I guess that's not the worst thing ever. Though Man of Steel 2 really ought to have an actual Superman villain in it. i.e., Brainiac or something. Black Adam isn't going to be terribly different from General Zod.

The thinking is probably, "let's use Man of Steel 2 to springboard the Black Adam movie, and the Shazam movie later on, and make the Rock really happy," and not on "Let's make a really great Man of Steel sequel." Which is a shame.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Shazam movie CANCELLED... Man of Steel 2 to have Black Adam as the main villain?

http://www.screengeek.net/2017/04/10/rumor-black-adam-main-villain-man-of-steel-2-shazam-cancelled/

I guess that's not the worst thing ever. Though Man of Steel 2 really ought to have an actual Superman villain in it. i.e., Brainiac or something. Black Adam isn't going to be terribly different from General Zod.

The thinking is probably, "let's use Man of Steel 2 to springboard the Black Adam movie, and the Shazam movie later on, and make the Rock really happy," and not on "Let's make a really great Man of Steel sequel." Which is a shame.

Shazam! canceled... told ya.

But Black Adam facing off against Superman? When we could be seeing Brainiac, Mogul, Metallo, (a better Lex Luthor), Parasite, Bizarro, Cyborg Superman, Eradicator, or Lobo? No thank you. Recast the Rock as a Superman rogue and pay him enough $$$ to stick around.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

WTF? How can WB recklessly announce a Black Adam spin-off movie while at the same time "not feel confident in the first drafts" of the Shazam script? Absolutely contemptible.

The Rock probably has his contract signed for X number of movies as Black Adam, and WB is so desperate to not lose him to Marvel that they're putting him in Man of Steel 2. Which isn't that bad, but as Cylon said... so much untapped mythos you could be using instead. But considering the Lex Luthor we've got, I'm not even sure I'd want to see what their take on any of the above would be.

Kinda funny that this rumor breaks on the same day as a great Marvel trailer drops... you really get a sense of how things are going for the respective studios.

[Andrew NDB]

Man of Steel 2 is to The Mummy Returns as the Black Adam movie is to The Scorpion King movie. Same idea.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Like Andrew said... WB appears to be much more concerned with keeping Dwayne Johnson on retainer than making a good Superman sequel.

Which is infuriating. Just put Johnson in a mocap role for Man of Steel 2 (Parasite or Metallo, perhaps?) and promise him that IF Warner Bros can pull off a Shazam movie, he absolutely gets to still costar in it as Black Adam.

But no. That makes too much sense. Let's have Black Adam v Superman: Dawn of Poor Planning! :trolleye:

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Dawn? We're at least at midday now.

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, The Rock could even BE Brainiac. I'd be okay with that. Have him kind of be defeated in Man of Steel 2, then show up in a later Justice League movie.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Does The Rock even do mocap anymore? I've felt like he enjoys appearing in movies more or less as himself.

[MikeandRaph87]

I see Dawn of Justice as Man of Steel 2. As far as a second solo outing for Superman, what about Dwayne as Metallo who is working with Brainaic? Would Johnson go for something like that?

[sdp]

This movie was never a good idea, especially when it became part of the DCEU, and yes they're putting Black Adam in MoS2 not just to keep the rock but to make the Superman movie viable with some star power.

How did DC lose the rights of having the name Captain Marvel? That's so stupid, Captain Marvel was not even an important character in Marvel and yet the Captain Marvel movie is now unrelated to the Captain Marvel we all know. Shazaam is such a stupid name for the hero though I guess it makes sense since the comics had been called that for rights issues but still a weak name change.

[Andrew NDB]

This movie was never a good idea, especially when it became part of the DCEU, and yes they're putting Black Adam in MoS2 not just to keep the rock but to make the Superman movie viable with some star power.

I'm sure it's twofold... but there does appear to be an inherent lack of trust from WB in a Superman movie flying entirely on its own merits.

How did DC lose the rights of having the name Captain Marvel? That's so stupid, Captain Marvel was not even an important character in Marvel and yet the Captain Marvel movie is now unrelated to the Captain Marvel we all know. Shazaam is such a stupid name for the hero though I guess it makes sense since the comics had been called that for rights issues but still a weak name change.

It doesn't even make sense. Shazam is the old man wizard who gives Captain Marvel his powers. Making (merging?) Captain Marvel into Shazam was a thing the New52 did, and dumb.

[Chris]

Kinda sad to hear that Shazam might be DOA but really not liking the Black Adam in MoS2 rumour. Like Andrew says it just shows WB's continued lack of faith in Superman to carry his own film. The first MoS2 morphed BvS (sorry, always was BvS if we go with the official story) now the next MoS2 might be morphing into the Black Adam prequel.

I like the a Rock, I love Black Adam. Even before Shazam was rumoured to be DOA they announced a Black Adam movie so if this has anything to do with the Rock's contract surely they could just lead with his solo and spin Shazam out of that or just add a Black Adam sequel in there or JL2. Just let Superman have his own movie with his own villains.

[TurtleTitan97]

Shazam movie CANCELLED... Man of Steel 2 to have Black Adam as the main villain?

http://www.screengeek.net/2017/04/10/rumor-black-adam-main-villain-man-of-steel-2-shazam-cancelled/

I guess that's not the worst thing ever. Though Man of Steel 2 really ought to have an actual Superman villain in it. i.e., Brainiac or something. Black Adam isn't going to be terribly different from General Zod.

The thinking is probably, "let's use Man of Steel 2 to springboard the Black Adam movie, and the Shazam movie later on, and make the Rock really happy," and not on "Let's make a really great Man of Steel sequel." Which is a shame.

So freaking stupid.

Black Adam is Shazam's archnemesis, why have his first appearance be in a Superman movie before Billy 's introduction? :roll:

[Autbot_Benz]

Looks like Black Adam will have Carter Hall aka Hawkman Atom Smasher and Stargirl in the movie


https://www.comicbookmovie.com/black_adam/black-adam-will-reportedly-feature-appearances-from-hawkman-stargirl-and-jsa-members-a167027

[Andrew NDB]

Looks like Black Adam will have Carter Hall aka Hawkman Atom Smasher and Stargirl in the movie

Of course Stargirl will be there. Geoff Johns has to push her in everything so he can talk about how she's named after his dead sister for the 158th time.

[Leo656]

You hate Geoff more than I hate The Rock. :lol: How much money does he owe you, exactly? :trazz:

[Autbot_Benz]

I hope they do Hawkman better in this movie than Legends. the guy who played him in legends was such a bore.

[Leo656]

Despite the mangled origin story (stories, more aptly), Hawkman has a very unique and interesting look to go along with his general backstory (the rough version is awesome, it's when the whole thing gets bogged down with too many details and retcons that it all falls apart). Despite not really being a huge fan of his books, I always like it when he shows up. He carries this air of, "Oh, NOW it's f*cking ON" about him whenever he shows up, and I enjoy that.

His personality is generally very unlikeable, so I can see why they might be hesitant to showcase him in a movie since the Good Guys have to be "nice" or else people whine, but he's an interesting character and I'd love to see him in a movie.

Ideally it would be some kind of "Hawkworld" movie, though. Unlike some characters, Hawkman really would need his first movie appearance to be a soup-to-nuts origin story, because even in comics his story is a mess that nobody can make sense of. So we would really need to be told, A-to-Z, what the deal is with this particular version. Is he the Ancient Egyptian Hawk-God guy, or the Thanagarian Space Cop guy? It kind of makes a lot of difference.

I don't really think they'd take a swing at Hawkman any time soon, though. Aside from his screwy origin(s), Hawkman is a far, far-right Conservative and that's one of the most essential pieces of his character. I don't see anyone in Hollywood racing to put that kind of character on display in a heroic role, and if you change it, or even downplay it, you change who Katar/Carter is as a fundamental part of his being. It would be an interesting contrast, for sure, but I don't know if we're there yet.

I'd be down for it, though. Hawkman is a very interesting character when done right.

[Andrew NDB]

Starts shooting this coming July. The Rock is still Black Adam.

http://www.darkhorizons.com/black-adam-to-shoot-july-2020/

[ZariusTwo]

Official release date: December 22nd 2021

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/black_adam/the-rock-announces-black-adam-release-date-with-some-official-jim-lee-concept-art-a171626?fbclid=IwAR2brqr8f6lNKlyF5IxwqDabgoN8cfmlA FKmMLFiHimN6rGtbf-pD_VgoNc

[Autbot_Benz]

https://www.theilluminerdi.com/2020/05/21/jsa-wb-spin-off-film/

The Illuminerdi has exclusively learned that the Justice Society Of America is being evaluated for their own feature film following their appearance in Black Adam, pending the public’s reception to the movie.

[TurtleTitan97]

https://www.theilluminerdi.com/2020/05/21/jsa-wb-spin-off-film/

The Illuminerdi has exclusively learned that the Justice Society Of America is being evaluated for their own feature film following their appearance in Black Adam, pending the public’s reception to the movie.

If that's actually true, seems like a pretty dumb strategy to me.

[Autbot_Benz]

If that's actually true, seems like a pretty dumb strategy to me.

agreed besides id rather have a spinoff of Stargirl's Justice Society. More Joel Mchale as starman please

[Leo656]

I love the JSA but I have no idea how they'd actually make it work as a movie, given the general way WB operates. I kinda feel like the entire concept only works best as a WWII period piece since that's what it was created as in the first place, but for one thing, WB already did Wonder Woman (WWI), and for another they specifically avoided the WWII setting because the Captain America movie already did it, which was a dumb decision but apparently those things matter.

I don't know. I really like the characters and everything but a modern-day JSA always feels just a little bit redundant, and I'm not sure they'd want to "risk" making it a period piece. I'd have to know more about their general plans before I got emotionally invested.

Ahhhhh, who am I kidding? It's WB, they'll never get around to making this. :lol: Rock's already gonna be 87 years old by the time Black Adam comes out, and 104 by the time he fights Captain Marvel (that's his f*cking name, don't @ me).

[Autbot_Benz]

Atom Smasher has been cast

Atom Smasher's coming to the big screen Collision symbol
@noahcent
joins
@TheRock
in BLACK ADAM ? visit
@HeatVisionBlog
for more: https://bit.ly/2CIWTte

[Autbot_Benz]

Justice Society Members that will be in this movie

Atom Smasher
Hawkman
Cyclone
Doctor Fate (I love Doctor Fate so Bring it)

https://comicbook.com/movies/news/black-adam-movie-spoilers-dc-fandome-cast-dwayne-johnson/#5

[AquaParade]

This sounds super dope. This event is a success in my mind. I'm loving the direction DC is going in.

[Autbot_Benz]

This sounds super dope. This event is a success in my mind. I'm loving the direction DC is going in.

There will be another Fandome in September so this is just the first part.

[AquaParade]

There will be another Fandome in September so this is just the first part.

I've watched a few online events since lockdown began and this is easily the best. They came with a lot of content and it's generally well organized and presented, with only a pinch of patronizing.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

So hyped for this! Loved the first Shazam so much!

[sdp]

This sounds pretty cool so far, I have to give it to WB for somehow retooling their movies after the death of the DCEU.

[Autbot_Benz]

Hawkman is black in this movie.... though he never was in the comics or any media

https://collider.com/black-adam-movie-hawkman-aldis-hodge/?amp&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter

https://i.imgur.com/WOQdu2y.jpg

[sdp]

Hawkman has had way too many different origins so it doesn't matter, the fact that Hawkman of all people is in the movie is cool enough.

[Leo656]

I need a f*cking drink.

[AquaParade]

NoOoOooo! Not.... blaAAAaaack!!

[Autbot_Benz]

I need a f*cking drink.

agreed and I don't even drink

[Andrew NDB]

Nobody cares about Hawkman, so a big "who cares?" from me.

[Autbot_Benz]

why is it when studio's do the race change the default is always black. They do realize asians and Latinx people exist too right?

[Leo656]

He ought'a be a real big deal. He had the potential to be awesome, but that would've required them to stop with all the reboots and retcons of his character some time around 1987.

Stupid "Hawkworld". That went and mucked everything up and ever since then it's just been one mess on top of another.

You know it's bad when in the 90s, Morrison wanted to use Hawkman in JLA but DC said no, so then he created Zauriel. When your editors say that an actual Angel from Christian Heaven is less problematic standing next to Superman and Batman that friggin' Hawkman is, you know you've well and truly sh*t the bed with a character.

Johns tried hard to "fix" it in JSA, but for my money, the "reincarnation" angle only created more problems, on account of people don't usually reincarnate as grown-ass adults after they die the way Katar and Sheira seemingly do. Plus, that just started the trap of killing the Hawks in every cross-over just to up the body count until the point it became a joke.

He's a great visual and a commanding presence so Hawkman really ought'a be a big deal. But his Wikipedia page should not be longer than Abraham Lincoln's, and that's entirely the problem. Too much conflicting information, and no consistency whatsoever.

And now, "Sometimes he's black", because MORE disparity and confusion is exactly what this particular character needed.

why is it when studio's do the race change the default is always black. They do realize asians and Latinx people exist too right?

There's no "nice" way to say it, but it is indeed the answer to your question, so here it is: Those other groups don't habitually pitch fits and make big public displays of anger about being "misrepresented" in fictional media. They generally don't care. Therefore there's no reason to make a big hoopla about appeasing them. They weren't the ones crying about anything to start with.

People who pander don't waste time pandering to people who won't care enough to complain.

[sdp]

Are thanagarians not actually a thing in the DCU anymore? I liked the way the DCAU handled hawkgirl as an alien and the original origin re-done with hawkman in JLU.

[Leo656]

Truthfully, if we're being entirely honest, there probably never should have been Thanagarians. That's where things got mucked up in the first place.

In the Golden Age everything was tied back to the mystical Egyptian Hawk Gods or some such, and while a bit "out there" it was fine. Mummy movies were in fashion and there was a bit of a fascination going on with the "exotic" ancient Egyptian culture, and at least it was rather unique as super-hero origins go. Fast forward to the 60s, all of that stuff was Out and Sci-Fi was In, so now it wasn't anything to do with Ancient Gods, at least not directly, but instead it was aliens. Just like every other super-hero. They pulled the MCU "There aren't gods, just hyper-advanced aliens who more ignorant people merely thought of as gods" angle half a century before Marvel did it. And sure, it was a more grounded explanation, BUT it was also the first crack in the story and all the other problems grew out of that very first hairline fracture.

THEN much later on they tried to combine it all so that the mythos involved BOTH actual Egyptian Gods and high-tech space aliens, and jumping through tons of hoops trying to explain THAT sh*t, and how the Thanagarians were actually the reason the ancient Egyptians had their entire culture and blah blah blah blah blah blah BLAH. And THEN in the late-80s you had TWO conflicting versions of Thanagar appearing in print at the same time once "Hawkworld", which was SUPPOSED to be a non-canon Elseworlds tale, sold too many copies and thus retroactively BECAME canon just because it was financially successful, and oh boy did that cause even MORE problems. Now the Hawkman in the JLA isn't "really" Hawkman and he's an impostor and we're only up to 1988 and it's already a complete lost cause.

If anything, they should have been forced to pick ONE version of the origin and stick to it. It's either Egyptian Gods OR it's space aliens. You CAN'T do both at the same time and have it make any sense. They've been trying it that way for over 30 years, putting a "But what about Reincarnation?" band-aid on it because lord knows THAT simplifies things. :roll:

I know Thanagar as a thing has become a big part of the DCU mythos over the years, but really, there's already too many super-heroes who have a watered-down version of Superman's origin story, and that's really all it is when you get down to it. "Alien who'd be a Normie on his own planet comes to Earth where he has extra powers and becomes a Big Huge Deal." It's different, but fundamentally it's the same.

One could argue that being literally blessed by ancient Egyptian gods is even sillier, and that's a fair point, but at least it's something different. If I were given the pen and told, "Fix Hawkman", I'd have to subscribe to KISS Theory: "Keep It Simple, Stupid", and take it all the way back to Square One, where an archaeologist merely stumbled upon some cool toys in a pyramid one day and now he's a super-hero. It never needed to be any more complicated than that.

One could very strongly argue that the creation of Thanagar ended up causing a lot more problems than it ever solved. Thus, one has to wonder if it's even necessary, or just hanging around because it's been there so long by now that deleting it would make everything worse.

It's a shame. I like Hawkman. "In Theory". But Christ, he's such a goddamn mess I don't see how anyone could ever get into him. The entire Hawk mythos is just a tangled web of nonsense with every attempt at resolution or clarification only creating ten more problems.

[Andrew NDB]

Latinx people exist too right?

Latinx people don't exist. That's not a real thing.

I mean, I'm half latino. That's a thing.


It's a shame. I like Hawkman. "In Theory". But Christ, he's such a goddamn mess I don't see how anyone could ever get into him. The entire Hawk mythos is just a tangled web of nonsense with every attempt at resolution or clarification only creating ten more problems.

Hawkman somehow manages to be even more radioactive than the Legion of Super-Heroes, and that's no small feat. I think it was Zero Hour, way back, that tried to "Fix" him by making him the sum of every Hawkman ever, or something? Jesus. I want nothing to do with that.

There's no "nice" way to say it, but it is indeed the answer to your question, so here it is: Those other groups don't habitually pitch fits and make big public displays of anger about being "misrepresented" in fictional media. They generally don't care. Therefore there's no reason to make a big hoopla about appeasing them. They weren't the ones crying about anything to start with.

People who pander don't waste time pandering to people who won't care enough to complain.

I don't know... it's usually loud, pink-haired white people complaining on Twitter that are pandered to... not the actual races of people they're trying to defend/support. They're just watching things like, "You want to fight for me? I'm not really feeling oppressed... but go ahead, I guess." Kind of like how the peaceful BLM protests are. Mostly angry white chicks and a few white dudes, very little actual black people.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

NoOoOooo! Not.... blaAAAaaack!!

:tlol: :tlol: :tlol: You get a cookie, sir!

Nobody cares about Hawkman, so a big "who cares?" from me.

I fall squarely into this camp. Hawk who? Don't care, not interested in the character no matter what.

[sdp]

I might be biased since I grew up with Justice League but I just prefer Hawkgirl, I'm fine with Hawkman existing since thanagarians are a thing and a better origin than the magic origin one. Hawkgirl is awesome.

[Leo656]

Latinx people don't exist. That's not a real thing.

I mean, I'm half latino. That's a thing.


Any Filipino? I had a nickel on "Maybe a little Filipino". :tgrin:


Hawkman somehow manages to be even more radioactive than the Legion of Super-Heroes, and that's no small feat. I think it was Zero Hour, way back, that tried to "Fix" him by making him the sum of every Hawkman ever, or something? Jesus. I want nothing to do with that.


They more or less merged ALL the different Hawkmans AND the Hawk-God they derived their powers from into a single being. And then they killed him off immediately and didn't use him for almost 10 years, rendering the entire exercise pointless. "Whoops".


I fall squarely into this camp. Hawk who? Don't care, not interested in the character no matter what.

See, and that's the problem. I don't begrudge you your not-caring, DC has made it impossible to care because the character is such a mess. Who Is Hawkman? What's his origin, his power set, his motivation, his basic character or personality? There aren't any easy answers. And these questions MUST always be simple to answer or you generally have a sh*t character. You can't have 10 conflicting answers to one single question.

But people SHOULD care about Hawkman, because Hawkman should be very cool.

I'd seen a few comics with the character as a kid, but never cared much. My REAL "introduction" to the character was in a four-part Justice League America story by Jurgens, "Destiny's Hand", involving the classic League villain Dr. Destiny. Short version, Dr. D was using his dreamscape powers to try and trap the JLA in a slightly darker parallel reality made up of their fears and whatnot. So we see Sinestro trying to escape the League as per usual, and then BAM, Hawkman casually flies in and shatters his entire face with that big f*cking mace of his. Then he tells the League to take Sinestro into custody and chop off his arms so he can't use his ring anymore, while "confiscating" the ring for his own self. And I'm immediately like, "Damn, this guy doesn't f*ck around." Sadly, that was like the first and last story for a very long time to use the character to his potential, and it wasn't even set in the "real" reality for most of it.

Obviously you have the imposing visual of the massive hawk-wings and the big spiky mace, but all of that is attached to a character with a very black-and-white sense of morality which puts him into constant conflict with his peers. Whereas most of the JLA or JSA agonizes in committee about their place in the world and where The Line is drawn between being pro-active and becoming dictator overlords, Hawkman is basically, "F*ck these super-villains, we should just hack 'em up and be done with it. They're pests and vermin, we should treat them as such." He's a Randian Objectivist archetype who firmly believes Might Makes Right, and that makes him supremely interesting when played against all of the more traditional super-heroes. He doesn't believe in shades of gray, he just wants to punish the wicked and he likes hurting people. He's not a nice guy, and he's a little bit cracked. In the Silver Age, he was always in conflict with Green Arrow because Ollie is Far Left with a large social conscience and Hawkman is Far Right and thinks bleeding hearts are just as bad as the criminals they coddle.

Which isn't to say that the character is necessarily correct in his views, but the point is, EVERY team needs a Wild Card or Black Sheep, and for many years Hawkman was exactly that. While the other JLA and JSA members would be debating what sort of "humane" punishment they could come up with for the bad guys, Hawkman would always be the one to be like, "Can't we just kill these assholes?" You NEED a guy like that. It makes things interesting.

Used to be, even the other people in the JLA would be just a bit uneasy whenever Hawkman showed up, because he was just that imposing and uncompromising, practically a force of nature. Before his origins got all mucked up, he was every bit as essential to the team as Superman and Batman and Flash. He only went away because writers couldn't crack the tangled web of nonsense his story had become. And that's a real shame.

It's a shame that there's an entire generation who thinks that Hawkman is irrelevant, but a character who was only created to be "Hawkman, But With A Vagina" is a big huge deal. When your Redundant Extension Sidekick/F*ck Pal ends up becoming more relevant than you are to the world at large, you know someone screwed up bad.

So yeah, I don't begrudge anyone not caring about Hawkman, DC made it impossible. But that's a shame. There is a GREAT and very interesting character in there, underneath all the barnacles. It's just too far gone to fix, at this point. They had many chances to fix it, but all they ever did was make it worse, and now I don't see any way to right the ship.

But again, if anyone is sincerely curious to see what the big deal about Hawkman, they should read "Destiny's Hand" in Justice League America 72-75. You'll come away with a new appreciation for what the character can be, while also feeling incredibly frustrated that he's generally never been written that well since. But if nothing else, it's a great story in itself.
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/d/d8/Justice_League_America_Vol_1_72.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/329?cb=20190512065142https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/8/84/Justice_League_America_Vol_1_73.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/329?cb=20190512065143https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/7/71/Justice_League_America_Vol_1_74.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/329?cb=20190512065144https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/8/87/Justice_League_America_Vol_1_75.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/329?cb=20190512065145

I've said this for 30 years, but Dan Jurgens should just write everything in the DCU. He's the only guy who knows jack from sh*t and never fell in love with himself. Unlike Johns and those other hacks.

[Andrew NDB]

I fall squarely into this camp. Hawk who? Don't care, not interested in the character no matter what.

I care about him enough to say, "Even f***in' Hawkman deserves to be on the JL over Cyborg!" but that's about it.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I care about him enough to say, "Even f***in' Hawkman deserves to be on the JL over Cyborg!" but that's about it.

:tlol: :tlol: Martian Manhunter or GTFO, I say. :tgrin: But also, yeah, anybody over Cyborg.

[Andrew NDB]

Any Filipino? I had a nickel on "Maybe a little Filipino". :tgrin:

0. The rest of me is Swedish and Norwegian.

Come to think of it, I wonder why the SJWs don't campaign for filipinx? Why isn't that a thing? Maybe they're just getting around to it.

[Leo656]

Wow, I was way off. :lol: There goes my nickel! :tgrumble:

[Sumac]

0. The rest of me is Swedish and Norwegian.

Come to think of it, I wonder why the SJWs don't campaign for filipinx? Why isn't that a thing? Maybe they're just getting around to it.
They don't know what or where it is.

If it does have little do with USA!!! and its politics, it might as well be on another planet.

[Galactus]

So Hawkman/Black Adam Ancient Egypt and possibly JSA connection. That's in the pipeline, right?

If that movie ever gets made it kinda devalues what Snyder was trying to do have everything begin with Superman. It's one thing to have Wonder Woman low key getting into scrapes and Batman being viewed as an urban myth but a WWII super team and people are shocked by a guy with super strength that can fly when when the JSA existed.

[TigerClaw]

So Hawkman/Black Adam Ancient Egypt and possibly JSA connection. That's in the pipeline, right?

If that movie ever gets made it kinda devalues what Snyder was trying to do have everything begin with Superman. It's one thing to have Wonder Woman low key getting into scrapes and Batman being viewed as an urban myth but a WWII super team and people are shocked by a guy with super strength that can fly when when the JSA existed.
Its the Multiverse after all. Warner Bros lame excuse of doing different movies that aren't part of a shared universe.

[Leo656]

So Hawkman/Black Adam Ancient Egypt and possibly JSA connection. That's in the pipeline, right?

If that movie ever gets made it kinda devalues what Snyder was trying to do have everything begin with Superman. It's one thing to have Wonder Woman low key getting into scrapes and Batman being viewed as an urban myth but a WWII super team and people are shocked by a guy with super strength that can fly when when the JSA existed.

Yep. Typical WB shortsightedness.

Perry: "Lois, can you imagine how people on this planet would react, if they knew someone like this (Superman) was out there...?"

Lois: "But Perry! What about all those years ago, and the guy with the magic ring, and the flying guy with the hawk wings, and the super-fast guy with the salad bowl on his head, and..."

Perry: "We don't talk about that."

Lois: "But..."

Perry: "We don't talk about that!"

Although it's pretty much in line with how WB has always treated Superman, anyways.

Snyder's all like, "So in the DCU, Superman's the most important character and every pivotal event and character either revolves around or is a direct reaction to his existence. This is true in both the fictional and metafictional sense, as without him none of the other super-hero characters would ever have been created. My take on the mythos is designed to honor that."

WB: "Nah, man, he's just some guy."

[Galactus]

I suppose they could play it that the JSA are like super powered g men operating covertly. I didn't watch it so I could be wrong but I think that's how Legends of Tomorrow played it. Although why would agents acting in secret wear such outlandish costumes I don't know.

Then again if/when WB gets around to making a JSA movie Flashpoint could have rebooted the universe so it would be a whole new continuity rendering the issue moot. Personally I like the idea of Superman being the first major super hero but I don't think it's as important to him being seen as the 'best'.

Of course the fact that all of this is up in the air shows the lack of planning on behalf of the WB.

[Leo656]

Yeah, he wasn't "the first" in the Post-Crisis continuity, either, and that worked out fine. The DCU that existed in comics between 1986 and 1996 is pretty much the best that it ever was by any objective standard. They managed to spin it so that he was more like just the inspiration for the "Second Wave" of heroes and it all worked fine.

Problem is, in the DCEU film continuity, they made a grand show of illustrating, "People who could fly and punch out a planet simply didn't exist before Superman showed up. And is they did, nobody knew about it." Which is the implied reason why J'onn J'onnz kept himself hidden despite being on Earth all those years: Being telepathic, it wouldn't take much at all for him to realize that Jon Kent was right, thus he never revealed himself in DCEU continuity. He was there, he just didn't need any hassle. As you said, Wonder Woman existing in secret and Batman being a shadowy urban myth can stretch the premise without breaking it. But past that, it's very problematic to show a bunch of super-heroes running around before Superman showed up. If people used to aliens and magicians and whatnot then they shouldn't all be afraid of Superman. They're only afraid of him because his existence in-universe is entirely unprecedented. And they made a big huge deal about it across several movies. "There Were No Publicly-Known Metahumans Before Superman".

You can't play both sides of the fence within the same fictional universe. People point to "Days Of Future Past" and say that a time-travel movie can handwave any inconsistencies, but I call BS on that; the X-Men movie situation was a train wreck and DOFP did absolutely nothing to fix it and in fact created a ton of new problems, and then "Logan" made all of it even MORE pointless. You can't just throw up your hands and scream "MULTIVERSE!" every time someone points out that you're not thinking your stories through. That's a cheat.

They needed to sit down and decide what the Hard Rules for the DCEU were before they even opened the lens. You simply cannot make things Giant Huge Plot Points in your foundational movies and then go in the complete opposite direction halfway through, and then just shrug and say "Well... Multiverse!" every time someone points out that you're sloppy.

That's the EXACT reason why "Crisis" wiped out the Multiverse in the comics in '86, something I was heavily in favor of then. The "Multiverse" concept was only created because readers started pointing out a ton of very sloppy inconsistencies across many books, like Mxyzptlk's name being spelled wrong or Lex Luthor suddenly being bald because a fill-in artist thought he was supposed to draw the Ultra-Humanite. Stuff like that piled up, and instead of just saying "Okay, we goofed", DC Editorial said "Well, those things happened on another Earth, y'see." It wasn't a creative choice, it was a tongue-in-cheek way of addressing the fact that they f*cked up a lot without admitting any f*ck-ups. Sure, over time the "Multiverse" became a creative-driven thing, but it didn't begin as such. It was JUST a way to allow writers and editors to avoid saying they goofed. "You're wrong, dear reader; we didn't make a mistake, that story you're referring to happened on Earth-85!" DUMB.

This is why I have always had and always will have a love/hate relationship with the Multiverse. I preferred "Elseworlds" as a concept. It's one thing to entertain the idea of "What If?" stories that happen outside of canon, but outside of fan-wank where Dracula Batman teams up with Real Batman and stuff like that, there's no real reason to say outright, "All of these parallel universes actually co-exist and are 'real'." "Elseworlds" allowed for the exact same out-of-canon stories without making things all muddy as to what stories were "real" and which ones happened on some fake Earth or whatever. You had a very clear stamp that said "This didn't happen, but it's fun, so enjoy it anyway." They never needed to walk that back just so Batman and Pirate-Batman could team up. That sh*t's dumb.

Indeed, when they reintroduced the Multiverse after Infinite Crisis in 2005, many people asked, "Why is this even necessary when you have Elseworlds?" And the fear was that once again, every sloppy mistake or every confusing story or every contradiction would just be handwaved away as, "That happened on Earth-XYZ." And sure enough, that's exactly what they did. And then there's a DARK Multiverse, now. :roll: And in 15 years, between that and Flashpoint and New-52 and everything else, they managed to screw up their comic book continuity even worse than they had over the first 50 years.

And now, their movies and other projects are using the same gimmick, using "Multiverse" as a catch-all explanation as to why they don't have to be coherent or consistent. :roll: No, you DO have to be consistent, because people aren't so gullible and they can tell when you're just making it up as you go along. Every time in the comics they take a "continuity doesn't matter" approach, people puke on it. Because to most people it DOES matter.

"Crisis On Infinite Earths" and the erasure of the Multiverse back in '86 was necessary, and the concept of a Multiverse generally creates far more problems than it solves. It treats the audience like they're too stupid to see what's really going on: That writers can't be bothered to make things fit properly. That kind of laziness and sloppiness should never be rewarded or excused.

[Galactus]

You're obviously a much bigger DC fan than I but I think you're doing the concept of a multiverse a bit of a disservice. It was originally created because many readers still remembered the Golden Age heroes and to come up with a neat story that explained how they could still exist. Because that one charmingly whimsical Flash story ended up being so popular it was given a sequel in the annual JLA/JSA crossovers and the whole thing ballooned from their and got out of control and was used in much the way you described.

To be honest though I'm not necessarily sure that unifying everything into one main universe really fixed anything. From Zero Hour to Final Crisis how many of DC's stories and events have been about tweaking continuity flubs caused by the original crisis. Post Crisis continuity is still a mess of flubs, retcons and reality warping shenanigans.

Rebooting the DCEU could work but they need a road map. That's where both DC publishing and the WB's handling of the property is severely lacking.

[Leo656]

The very first instances of "That was on another Earth" being declared by Editorial, was because someone spelled "Mxyztplk" as "Mxyzptlk" and a sharp-eyed reader caught it, and because a guest artist accidentally drew Ultra-Humanite instead of Lex Luthor in a story, probably because he confused Luthor's bald henchman in an early story for Luthor himself. Lex very abruptly went from having a mop of red hair in one appearance to being bald and ogre-ish in the next, and readers obviously asked what had happened. Editorial replied, "Uh... different Earth. Parallel universe, yeah, that's the ticket." Once they got away with it once, they knew they could do it forever. All the JLA/JSA cross-over stuff came way, way, way later.

As late as the late-80s, DC was handwaving post-Crisis inconsistencies by saying anything that didn't fit continuity happened on "Earth-85", tongue planted firmly in cheek. It's all just a way to say "We didn't really f*ck up" when yeah, you did.

I mean, at least Grant Morrison admitted that he hadn't read "Son of the Demon" before trying to give Bruce a son by Talia, thus why he got all of the details wrong. Sure, DC mandated that "Son of the Demon" is yet another "Earth-85" story, but to Grant's credit, he went off-script and publicly said "Yeah, nah, I just never read the thing, but I wanted Bruce and Talia to have a kid and I knew that was a thing that had happened once upon a time." It was sloppy and lazy but at least he didn't try and con anybody or try and play smart. "I didn't do my research, so I screwed it up." I can respect that.

If not for "Hawkworld" and the Wonder Woman/Donna Troy situation, post-Crisis DC continuity would have been just fine. There was very little left hanging that couldn't have been neatly trimmed, especially after Zero Hour. Everything was pretty much well and truly tied up neatly after that, and any remaining inconsistencies were easily explained by Parallax mucking around with the timestream. Very simple.

Then they had to keep fixing it until it was broke and they made the whole entire thing worse again.

I DO see a place for the Multiverse, but the fact is, its REAL function isn't to "encourage creative storytelling", it's so writers and editors can weasel out of mistakes. That's all its ever been since the 40s. There's definitely been a few good stories that make use of the concept, but let's not pretend they have any pure motives in utilizing it. It's a crutch. That's its primary function. "Boss, I screwed up. Holly Robinson's supposed to be dead but I just wrote a whole arc about her." "No big deal, man! Earth-85!" :roll:

It's like Morrison defending the "Superboy Prime Punched Time Itself" retcon as a way to excuse all the inconsistencies. Jesus, just do research and write better stories. It's not a good thing that there's a safety net for lazy people pretending to be writers. You shouldn't just say "Parallel Reality/Superboy Prime Punched Time" every single time you screw up. That's nonsense. Just Be Better At Your Job.

The farther away from having a set continuity DC has ever gotten, the more people abandon it. Precedent shows that DC fans overwhelmingly prefer one set canon, and that they can have a "Multiverse" but it should be used as a story concept incredibly sparingly, pretty much almost never, and that out-of-continuity or "Elseworlds" stories be clearly marked as such going into them. They don't like it when "It's all canon because it's all fake anyway, so therefore Nothing Really Matters." Casuals do, but DC has never been a company that caters to casuals, except when their sales are in free-fall and they panic.

But that's why most DC fans see the Multiverse gimmick and "flexible continuity" as the crutch it really is. It's a thing they do whenever they're drowning in mistakes OR need to sell a bunch of issues of something in a hurry. It's not an organic storytelling device and never has been.

[Andrew NDB]

Nothing good has ever come from the DC multiverse. The merger in COIE never should have been messed with.

I mean, what have they done since with it since its return that's any good? Earth-2, turning Alan Scott gay (which removed Obsidian and Jade from ever existing) before canceling the whole line? And all the Earths in Multiversity sucked.

[Leo656]

I thought "Hypertime", while confusing, was actually a more grounded and much better attempt at allowing for the exact same thing a Multiverse does. It really wasn't altogether much different, in that it allowed for conflicting versions of characters to pop up from time to time. But "fractured spin-off timelines" is a little bit easier to swallow than "parallel realities", even if only by a little bit. They never got around to explaining it very well, and eventually they more or less just sort of said "It's the same thing as the Multiverse" even though NO, it definitely wasn't the exact same thing.

But it DID allow for the possibility of, say, if you wanted Vampire Batman to show up and meet Regular Batman, you could still do that for an issue or two. But it was explicitly clear upfront that this was just "a glitch in the Matrix" and Vampire Batman wouldn't be sticking around, and that his spin-off timeline was an error and not its own fully-formed and functioning universe. You still had these "alternate" versions of the characters, but nobody was under any illusion that they were "real", it was explicit that they were not, but they WERE all still branched off in some way from the "Real" DCU, so there was something tethering them together. And pretty much anything that didn't make total sense was easily explained by "That time Hal Jordan screwed with time." That "Zero Hour" story in and of itself retroactively solved every single continuity glitch, just based on that alone. "Parallax did it. Residual damage to the timeline manifesting as anomalies." Simple. VERY simple, actually. In theory, even though that story happened in 1993 in "real life" time, the fluid nature of time and the fact that he was popping in and out of the timestream all willy-nilly means that there's really nothing that COULDN'T be explained by that. I mean "Evil Hal" kept showing up in books for years and years after "Good Hal" sacrificed himself and died. Technically, he still could now, even. There's no reason that Evil Hal couldn't have ever popped into the DCU of 2020 back when he was executing his Zero Hour plan; he was all over the place.

But anyways; when you don't just say they're branches of the same tree, but rather entirely separate but entirely fully-formed independent universes, it all becomes far more complicated than it needs to be. And as you said, for what?

It's all because of Morrison. He's the guy who insisted they bring the Multiverse back, "Because fiction has no rules" and all that poppycock. Nonsense. Of course fiction has rules. That's how you prevent stories from turning into the equivalent of a five-year old playing with their toys in the bathtub, which is how the ending of "Final Crisis" reads. "And THEN, and then Superman punches the bad guy, an' then a DINOSAUR shows up in a X-Wing and then Batman and Luke Skywalker and the Dinosaur all shoot lasers at the bad guys! PEW PEW PEW! Rrrrrrraaaaaaaaagh, POW KA-BOOOOOOOOOM!"

I mean, I love Final Crisis, but c'mon, that's basically how it ended. :lol: And that's what you get when "Stories don't have Rules." Just a big mish-mash of absolute nonsense. Especially when the guy writing it is always on about how much he loooooooooves LSD. If anyone ever needed a goddamn editor with a really sharp red pen, it's That Guy.

I disagree a tiny bit about how Crisis didn't need ANY clean-up after the fact... The Hawks and Wonder Woman/Donna Troy kinda made it mandatory. So they did have a few hanging barnacles to tidy up. But again, Zero Hour made it all very neat and tidy, even if "Parallax broke Time" is still sort of a cheat, but that's what you get sometimes. It's impossible to make any reboot an entirely smooth process; especially whenever they do a "full reboot" and the mandate essentially is, "The Batman and Green Lanterns books get left alone because they sell, but everything else gets nuked and started over from the ground-up." If you're not going to do a 100% clean slate reboot, then you're gonna have things that don't quite fit. BUT, you can still force it to.

I wouldn't ultimately have a huge problem with the Multiverse if they only used it extremely rarely for Big Event type stuff, and not as a catch basin for their own sloppy hack writing. As a concept, it's neat in theory. In execution... you don't NEED 90 conflicting versions of any character. You just don't. Less Is More.

[Galactus]

If DC's attempt to unify their universe with Crisis only needed a few tweaks to fix some continuity flubs it created that would be fine.

It's the fact it's been used as an excuse to also correct what creators feel are mistakes. So some people didn't like Jason Todd's natural hair colour and felt he was too similar to Dick Grayson so they give him an new backstory as a dark haired street hood. Some writer gets the ultra kewl idea that Batman is still subconsciously hunting the guy who killed his parents so in post crisis continuity he never caught Joe Chill then turns out to be unpopular with the fans so Zero Hour reverses it. Birthright ends up being more popular than anyone thought well it's now canon, Secret Origin is even more popular? Well they're both canon.

To me nothing ever really changed after Crisis. If anything their continuity became even screwed up and malleable.

[Andrew NDB]

It's always seemed simple to me.

* Keep the COIE merger intact.

* We've still got the Anti-Matter Universe intact even still.

* If you want to bring in some alternate dimension whatever, you can. It just doesn't need to be a whole bonafide thing. Or it can be, but not what it was pre-mid 80s.

[Leo656]

Nobody except Mark Waid liked "Birthright". :lol: C'mon now. They sh*tcanned that as the "official" Superman origin five minutes after they swore it in. "Secret Origins" was more or less received with a shrug, as well. It only became "official canon" because Geoff Johns used to work for Dick Donner and therefore everyone licks his nuts over it. That, too, lasted all of five minutes before "Flashpoint".

Also, "Batman never caught his parents killer" came about because of Zero Hour. That wasn't one of the things Zero Hour was trying to "fix", that was an entirely new wrinkle.

I get the point you're trying to make but many of your facts are wrong.

In any case, objectively, DC sold way more books between 1986 and 1996 than they had for many years before, and they've never come close to those numbers since. When it was one singular, tightly-woven continuity, with Vertigo off in the far corner and "Elseworlds" being popular but clearly branded as "fake stories", that's when it was working out best for everyone. The numbers don't lie.

1997-ish: Hypertime? Parallel realities and flexible canon? People left. 1998-2003: There's no canon whatsoever, Anything Goes, and even what happens in Action Comics makes no sense or has no bearing on Adventures of Superman, total free-for-all. Numbers hit the bottom of the toilet bowl. 2004 onwards: Continuity matters again, they go out of their way to bring Past stories into Present relevance and reward long-term readers. They do another "Crisis" to tie up loose ends once again but try and adhere strictly to the "New Earth" canon and keeping it tight. Numbers went through the roof like they hadn't in a decade.

Then Grant Morrison starts picking around in his Silver Age toybox. He hated "Crisis", likes the Multiverse. Wants things like Polka-Dot Man and Bat-Mite to be canon, for reasons known only to his drug-addled brain. Opens up the Pandora's Box that is "The Multiverse" once again, it's fun for five minutes but it clearly becomes apparent VERY quickly that this guy's just jerking off with his action figures. "Anything Goes" again, "continuity is flexible" again, and in 2008 or thereabouts, "Final Crisis" lands with a thud and sales are back in the toilet. Their biggest event in 20 years sh*ts the bed so hard they have to reboot the entire thing from scratch because, Survey Says: People thought the story made no sense.

"F*ck the Multiverse!" DC says, and they "Flashpoint" everything back into one singular continuity. Good idea, EXCEPT, it's a sh*tty new continuity aimed at Marvel fans and people who don't like DC, because DC is very desperate to be liked, just not by the crusty old nerds who already liked them for 40 years. So now you've made multiple mistakes: You've abandoned your Real audience for a pack of fickle mush-heads who absolutely are not going to stick around - and they didn't - you've pissed off and alienated your core fanbase, AND you've solidified, once and for all, the notion that when things are iffy, one quick-and-dirty time travel clusterf*ck will be the cure for whatever ails ya.

New 52 started falling flat when the Marvel fans left, so what did DC do? DCYOU! Continuity doesn't matter anymore, AGAIN! It's all about creators telling wacky stories without restraint! Did you ever wanna see Superman as a powerless, motorcycle-rising pro wrestler? You want Batman to be Commissioner Gordon in a robot bunny suit? BOY ARE YOU GONNA LOVE THIS SH*T! :lol: But it tanked. Really bad. Because who wanted that sh*t?

TIME TO BRING BACK THE MULTIVERSE! Because DC couldn't just do what people wanted and pretend everything since "Blackest Night" was a bad dream. Like, that's ALL anyone wanted, was to just go back to the very beginning of "Brightest Day" and proceed from there without f*cking it up the way they originally ended up doing. But no. Multiverse! Convergence! More cross-over events! More time travel and parallel reality nonsense, because you're not at ALL sick of THAT by now! And none of THAT worked, either.

The only thing that finally got things back somewhat on track, was "Rebirth". It wasn't a complete dialing-back of everything to pre-Flashpoint like it should have been, but it was a step in the right direction. Simplifying. "Back-To-Basics". The characters you know and love As You Know And Love Them. No alternate reality doppelgangers or pop-ins from dead Earths, and no confusion about which stories took place in which reality.

Bottom Line: Whether there's a Multiverse in play or not, DC readers want firm continuity and ONE coherent universe/timeline to be the primary focus. They do NOT want a reboot or an "alternate Earth" to soak up the milk every single time two writers can't agree on something or someone makes a mistake. You go back 30 years, and you see the patterns. Things get too messy and complicated? People leave. When they're streamlined and simple, People come back. 1986 to 1996 was the strongest run they've had since the Silver Age heyday in the late-60s, and ever since then it's been a bunch of flailing around trying to figure out what went wrong.

That's not a coincidence. You can have a Multiverse, but if you HAVE to have one, you really shouldn't mess with it much or at all. 99% of the time, it's a scab that only makes things worse for everyone once you start picking it at it. And if we're being 100% honest, DC's strongest output - and most loyal and satisfied readership - came during a time when the Multiverse simply did not exist, period.

That's the moral of DC's last 30 years. "Keep It Simple, Stupid."

[Andrew NDB]

You mean the END of Brightest Day. That was a sound "refresher" point for new DC comics. They should still go back to that.

[Leo656]

Eh, I had some big problems with "Justice League International" from that run. Specifically "Ice was never a Norwegian Ice Goddess" even though YES she absolutely was because the JLA went with her back to her kingdom and fought her evil brother in that one story that led directly into finding out that Gardner was really the evil clone a month later. "She was just an abused kid who repressed everything after she killed her Dad" was... dumb. I mean maybe less dumb if it didn't contradict her entire established history in every possible way.

I mean sure, most of Brightest Day was alright, but I'd dial back a few of the unnecessary retcons like that one that didn't help anything. You're not altogether wrong, though. It wasn't BAD, I'd just do "Brightest Day" over without the pointless retcons if I had the pencil.

[TigerClaw]

You think they could be setting up for a potential Justice Society movie down the line?

[Leo656]

That's clearly the hope or intent, but it's WB so it'll never come out. :lol:

[Autbot_Benz]

Black Adam moves from December 22, 2021 and is now undated

https://collider.com/the-batman-new-release-date-delayed-2022/?utm_campaign=collidersocial&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter

[Leo656]

I'm pretty reasonably sure that they're all cancelled and they don't have the guts to say so out loud.

There's not going to be a theater left standing by then. These "delay" announcements are out of polite obligation and an attempt to save face.

Wonder Woman, The Batman, The Suicide Squad and Black Widow on the MCU side will eventually be released to streaming to try and make back whatever pennies they can since they're so far along in production. Same will go for any of them that are reasonably far along in filming. And that's going to be the end of super-hero movies for a while, and most other movies too. They're just too expensive to make and they can't make a profit via streaming, it's impossible.

Flashpoint, Shazam 2 and Black Adam haven't shot a single frame of film yet. Thus, they're not getting made. Same goes for any movie that was "announced" but haven't shot anything yet.

Such is Life in the time of COVID.

[Andrew NDB]

Will feature the first DCEU transgender superhero:

https://crookedllama.com/dwayne-johnsons-black-adam-movie-will-introduce-the-dceus-first-transgender-hero-according-to-new-report/

[IMJ]

So, after years of speculation, The Rock is finally confirmed to be playing Black Adam in the upcoming Captain Marvel/ "SHAZAM!" film from DC/WB.

http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/wwe/Tournament_Finals_and_More_on_Tonight_s_WWE_NXT_Th e_Rock_Comments_More_on_Black_Adam.html

- The Rock wrote more on Facebook yesterday about his role as Black Adam in DC Comics' Shazam movie:

"This role has been years in the making. A true honor for me to become my favorite comic anti-hero of all time - BLACK ADAM. Lets have some fun."

I really don't like The Rock in much, but I've been saying for years this is the role he was born to play. I honestly can't think of more perfect, spot-on casting for anything than this. I've always liked Captain Marvel; my hopes for this movie honestly went up a ton after reading this.

I know some people were speculating and would prefer that he play Captain Marvel/Shazam himself, but it's better this way. He'd have been a "decent" Captain Marvel but a PERFECT Black Adam. Sometimes you just shouldn't go against the grain.

Thoughts?

The quote above was the first post in the thread. You posted this more than SIX YEARS ago.
God has DC really dropped the ball. SIX YEARS. That's long enough to have released an entire Trilogy of movies, yet we haven't seen him on screen once.

[Leo656]

I've also since rethought some of my position, on account of it turns out Dwayne's kind of an idiot when it comes to the point of movies.

I'd have to find it, but he did an interview not long ago where he talked about how he refuses - absolutely refuses - to have anything be "a downer" or "dark" or "upsetting to the audience" in his movies. Because "Real Life is already full of that. I want to make people smile and laugh."

And that's his prerogative. That's fine if you're making Jumanji or Baywatch.

But he's playing Black Adam. And he's got Creative Control. And Black Adam is nothing but darkness.

One of his most prominent stories of the last 15 years was when he threw a fit and murdered an entire country, because he was pissed that his wife died.

If you're going to shy away from the darkness and violence of inherent to the character, don't make the movie. And it sounds like Flex just wants it to be a "fun romp", which anything having to do with Black Adam most certainly is not.

I recant my earlier statements. He's physically "perfect" in that he resembles the character, but he's not in the right headspace to do it properly, and therefore I'd prefer he stay out of it. I know it's way too late, but that's how I feel about it.

The news Andrew posted above just further illustrates that they have NO idea what the f*ck they're doing, and have the complete wrong priorities as a general rule.

After Snyder's "Justice League", barring another Cavill Superman film I am completely done with comic book movies. There's no point to it anymore. When people make them right, people whine that they're not enough like cartoons, and when done wrong they're just the worst kind of nonsense.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

After Snyder's "Justice League", barring another Cavill Superman film I am completely done with comic book movies. There's no point to it anymore. When people make them right, people whine that they're not enough like cartoons, and when done wrong they're just the worst kind of nonsense.

You know, the industry agrees with you.

Thanks, COVID! RIP, theaters and new movies.

[Andrew NDB]

In WA they did a month lockdown a couple of weeks ago that would have ended right before WW84, at least, would have popped into theaters. Our governor just arbitrarily extended the lockdown into the middle of January now.

Disgusting.

[Autbot_Benz]

Dwayne Johnson
@TheRock
·
39m

Ready to rumble High voltage signFlexed biceps
A pleasure to officially welcome, Quintessa Swindell to our BLACK ADAM cast.
They’ll be taking on the role of CYCLONE.
Can’t wait to work with them and we ready to rumble in the DC jungle.
#bringit
#cyclone????
#blackadamHigh voltage sign
Production starts spring 2021

https://i.imgur.com/kmmlIya.jpg

add this to the list of Redhead/Gingers who get cast with African American actors instead of actual ginger people

[Leo656]

Looks just like her. :lol:

Seriously, Hollywood hates gingers.

[Autbot_Benz]

Looks just like her. :lol:

Seriously, Hollywood hates gingers.

ya I was singing one of these things isn't like the other one of these doesn't belong :lol:

[TigerClaw]

Pierce Brosnan has been cast as Dr. Fate in Black Adam.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/black-adam-pierce-brosnan-to-play-dc-hero-dr-fate-opposite-dwayne-johnson-exclusive

[oldmanwinters]

add this to the list of Redhead/Gingers who get cast with African American actors instead of actual ginger people

Heh, that's pretty much industry standard these days!

[Autbot_Benz]

Pierce Brosnan has been cast as Dr. Fate in Black Adam.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/black-adam-pierce-brosnan-to-play-dc-hero-dr-fate-opposite-dwayne-johnson-exclusive

Pierce Brosnan is perfect casting for Doctor Fate hell ya

[Leo656]

Huh. That is pretty good!

[Galactus]

I was never a big fan of Smallville. The JSA episodes were okay but if there is one thing they nailed it was what those characters should look like in live action, yes even Hawkman not being bare chested. I hope Doctor Fate looks something like that version of the character and not an over-designed version you get in Injustice.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/00/af/72/00af72048228554f83ab4da4d55c4caf.jpg

[Leo656]

Fate has one of the all-time greatest looks of any comic book character.

Like, the "proper" look is just so "clean", and the blue/gold contrast is so striking.

Some of the Injustice outfits are a little "busy" but I love using the costume piece-swapping function to try and get everyone close to their comic book looks, anyway, and some of the types of "flair" they put in actually look pretty good. Some are too much but a few are alright.

[Autbot_Benz]

This movie has a release date.

Dany Garcia
@DanyGarciaCo
·
10m
It’s official!! On July 29, 2022 BLACK ADAM ARRIVES. High voltage sign#BlackAdam #ManInBlack
@BlackAdamMovie

[Iroh]

They should've casted Sinbad to play SHAZAM so it could be a double Mandela affect!:o

[Autbot_Benz]

IGN
@IGN
·
1h
Doctor Fate actor Pierce Brosnan confirmed he wears a motion capture suit in Black Adam for his costume to be added later via CGI. It is notable, however, that many super hero movies do this specifically for action scenes, so he may wear a physical suit in parts of the film.


like this idea since Fate uses magic mostly in fights

[Sumac]

Does it really matter?
Unless they radically changed his design Fate always (mostly?) wears metal mask anyway.

[Autbot_Benz]

xjyHvajaScI

[joe-eyeball]

Looks cool but I’m so tired of Dwayne Johnson! I just don’t get why people love the guy?

[Sumac]

Looks cool but I’m so tired of Dwayne Johnson! I just don’t get why people love the guy?
He has manly charisma.

[sdp]

I don't think I ever realized Black Adam was a solo movie I thought he'd be part of Shazam/Captain Marvel, why is an unknown villain (to the mainstream) getting a solo movie?
Don't get me wrong I think the movie looks really good but it seems this movie first cast The Rock and only later tried to work on a story around him.

[Leo656]

it seems this movie first cast The Rock and only later tried to work on a story around him.

Because that's exactly what they did. They didn't even have a script (or a cast) for the Shazam movie when they cast him as Black Adam, and they were in talks for a long, long time before that. He was thisclose to even being Shazam/Captain Marvel, at one point, rather than Black Adam, but supposedly he felt that Black Adam would be a better fit. But as far as to whether WB had any kind of plan in place when they signed him, no. They just figured "Every successful franchise needs The Rock" and went with that. I'm assuming that nobody at WB ever saw the Baywatch movie, but that's neither here nor there.

Looks alright, Pierce Brosnan as Dr. Fate should be great. The only thing that gives me too much trepidation, is an interview Dwayne did a while back where he said that he uses his "pull" to ensure that nothing too dark ever gets put into any movies he makes, because "real life is bad enough, movies are escapism and I want people to feel uplifted when they come to see my movies." Given that Black Adam is such a dark, violent and uncompromising character, Dwayne's real-life comments have me wondering just how much they're going to sacrifice for the sake of keeping him happy. I somehow doubt we'll be getting a Black Adam who rips people in half or murdered an entire country because he was in a bad mood. I'unno, guess we'll see.

What gives me the most hope, though, is that he and Cavill have the same agent and Dwayne really wants to do a movie with Cavill's Superman. Nobody at WB wants to find a place for Cavill's Superman - or ANY straight, white male version of Superman, for that matter, but that's a whole other can of worms - but they DO want to keep Dwayne happy, so as long as he keeps pushing for Cavill there's a chance it might yet happen.

[sdp]

Oh, I remember that interview, I think it was for the Rampage video game movie
(https://miscrave.com/articles/rampage-game-history/) and he is the one that decided George should not die at the end because he wants people to leave with a smile and they changed the script for that. For that movie it was ok but it also rubbed me the wrong way.

[Leo656]

I think that was it.

I mean, I didn't see that movie but in-context of that one, it's a decision that made sense, I guess. I just didn't like how he spoke so broadly about how just in general he doesn't want his movies to get too "dark" or "deep". Not all of us are easily-triggered hyper-sensitives who can't handle a bit of the ol' ultra-violence when it's contextually appropriate.

It also just occurred to me that this is also the guy who gave Mick Foley permanent brain damage by giving him about 20 full-speed live rounds to the head with a metal folding chair, in turn traumatizing Foley's young kids who watched it happen up-close... and then he never apologized for it until someone pointed out to him that he, in fact, never apologized for it. That whole thing still gets brought up today whenever people talk about things in wrestling that went way too far for no good reason. So either Dwayne's a big hypocrite or he learned something in the years since that whole thing. Just kinda funny when you think about it.

Anyways, it was admittedly just an interview and his opinion with regard to that specific movie had some sense. But the broad terms in which he spoke just has me questioning his priorities, is all. It remains to be seen if he approached this movie with the same attitude. I'm of the opinion that you can't really do "Black Adam" unless you fully commit to it; if he's just "Cranky Superman" then you kinda miss the point of the character.

Also, kinda weird that it feels like half a Black Adam movie, half a backdoor way of trying to kickstart a JSA spin-off. I'unno. I liked "Shazam" a lot more than I expected to, so hopefully this one will be good.

[sdp]

Well the movie was for that specific movie but he did mention that he does those things for "all his movies" so that people know they can have a happy ending or whatever whenever they watch his movies.

I've never been a huge fan of Dwayne Johnson or his "style" whether wrestling or movies where he plays the same character in every one. He definitely has charisma and knows how to get people to like him.

in turn traumatizing Foley's young kids who watched it happen up-close...

Is that why Noelle Foley continues to whore herself out on social media with no actual talent but only living off her father's name? I thought it was only because she was a THOT but damn and it's all the Rocks fault for traumatizing her as a kid.

[Leo656]

Could be. She's hot, though, so I'm not complaining. She can do whatever.

But the footage of her as a little kid bawling her eyes out while Dwayne gives her Dad 31 flavors of concussions not fifteen feet away is always rough for me to watch. Nobody should have to go through that. Foley was always very open with his kids that wrestling was staged but that was still a needlessly grisly scene and it's no wonder that at least for a while it turned his kids off from wrestling entirely. They got back into it later on but as I understand it they couldn't watch it at all for several years after that incident. Not shocking.

Every time I see it, I can't get over how much of an idiot Dwayne must've been. For one thing, supposedly he was supposed to hit him like three or four times, not 20-something. That's not an "Oops"; that's just plain "I don't care." Furthermore, even someone who's not a trained wrestler knows that if a guy turns his back to you and hunches over, that's the universal sign for "Go ahead and hit me in the back/shoulders. Do not hit me in the head." So of course ol' Dwayne circles around to the front and smacks him across the goddamn face as hard as he can, because that's what you're trained to do in that situation, sure. :roll: Dumbass.

Just plain never liked the guy, and stuff like that is a big reason why. The fact that it took him like two years to get around to saying "sorry", and only after someone pointed out to him that he hadn't... kinda illustrates that he's sort of an "I got mine, f*ck y'all" type of guy just in general. Or was back then, anyways. Even when I just give a guy a stiff punch I feel bad about it. I've busted plenty of people open "hardway", I mean it just happens, but I don't particularly like doing it. If I legit gave a guy permanent brain damage not only would I apologize immediately, I'd probably spend the rest of my life trying to make up for it. I definitely wouldn't try and play it like it just somehow slipped my mind.

Dick Move, Flex. Granted, he's probably matured a bit since then but by that point he still ought to have known better.

[Autbot_Benz]

They showed first looks of the Justice Society.

Here is Doctor Fate.
https://i.imgur.com/AIJSfIm.jpg

HawkMan

https://i.imgur.com/yfv7zj6.jpg

Atom Smasher

https://i.imgur.com/vkPhAN7.jpg

Cyclone
https://i.imgur.com/EvpHtTS.jpg

[Andrew NDB]

lol... so... black Hawkman, black Cyclone, Puerto Rican Atom Smasher? No agenda here whatsoever.

[Galactus]

It'd be weird if this gets people genuinely hyped for a Justice Society movie when they can't get a Justice League series going.

[Leo656]

Don't kid yourself. If The Rock wasn't involved nobody would give this movie a second thought. Nobody cares about the JSA.

[Sumac]

"Minority Society"?
Might as well rename it into "Social Justice".

[AquaParade]

Looks cool to me. Love the way Dr Fate turned out. I think this movie is promising.

[Andrew NDB]

Don't kid yourself. If The Rock wasn't involved nobody would give this movie a second thought. Nobody cares about the JSA.

True. They're fine as a kind of "there was a group of superheroes that predated the JLA a long time ago" but outside of flashbacks to them or references... there isn't much of a draw. Barely in the 90s and certainly not now.

[AquaParade]

I like the new Flash suit too. At least in the new images.

[Leo656]

I mean, *I* care about the JSA. But we all know for a fact that what I like and what literally everyone else on Earth likes are pretty far apart.

That is a cool looking Dr. Fate.

[Autbot_Benz]

Also here is Pierce Brosnan as Kent Nelson not in costume

https://i.imgur.com/xtBcvRQ.jpg

I too always liked the JSA. Big fan of Jay Garrick Ted Grant aka Wildcat Doctor Fate etc.

[frank_one]

I am definitely in.

[ZariusTwo]

The movie has been pushed back to October

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/black-adam-release-date-1235107799/

[Autbot_Benz]

The movie has been pushed back to October

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/black-adam-release-date-1235107799/

Why ? they can't use Covid as an excuse anymore. guessing the movie isn't done

[Autbot_Benz]

John Rocha aka The Outlaw Nation
@TheRochaSays
·
5m
Loved the new footage we just got!

#DrFate is a bigger influence here. Tells Adam he can be the savior or destroyer of this world!

#TheRock calls him the #DirtyHarry of the #DC Universe handing out his own brand of justice.

There is black & white and Adam lives in the grey.
Quote Tweet
John Rocha aka The Outlaw Nation


From Cinemacon

[Autbot_Benz]

DCU - The Direct
@DCU_Direct
BREAKING: #BlackAdam's first trailer will be released on Wednesday, June 8, confirms Dwayne Johnson! New photo: https://thedirect.com/article/black-adam-trailer-release-date-dwayne-johnson

Trailer coming soon

[Coola Yagami]

The entire movie confused me. Like... he's still a bad guy right? Like I know Joker was a villain movie, but he's such a popular character that everybody knows who he is. But Black Adam, the way this is hyped so much (and you have The Rock playing him no less) you'd think he's the next big hero.

[Andrew NDB]

He really shouldn't be. He goes around punching people through the head and dominating countries. That's his thing.

[Autbot_Benz]

The funko pops for this movie were shown today. For some reason movie doctor fate has no eyes on the helmet of nabu. It's just a gold helmet. That really annoys me. Dr Fate's helmet always has eyes. I wish they would fix that.

[IMJ]

He really shouldn't be. He goes around punching people through the head and dominating countries. That's his thing.

They are going to "Book of Boba Fett" Black Adam. And we are supposed to just love it because it's the Rock.

[Coola Yagami]

They are going to "Book of Boba Fett" Black Adam. And we are supposed to just love it because it's the Rock.

So when he eventually faces Shazam are we supposed to cheer as The Rock gets his ass beat? They're pretty much building up the charismatic Venom scenario that will become an issue if he ever faces Spider-Man.

[Andrew NDB]

They are going to "Book of Boba Fett" Black Adam.

It definitely seems that way.

[superstaff]

They are going to "Book of Boba Fett" Black Adam. And we are supposed to just love it because it's the Rock.

What do you guys mean by this?

[Andrew NDB]

What do you guys mean by this?

I'm assuming he means taking a character previously only known as a bad guy and making him a heroic good guy.

[ZariusTwo]

I'm assuming he means taking a character previously only known as a bad guy and making him a heroic good guy.

Which has happened in countless bits of media before. Buffy, Dragonball Z, Loki etc.

[TigerClaw]

That's the direction DC has been going lately, Turning all its supervillains into antiheroes, Which is why you have the Suicide Squad and all that stuff.

[Andrew NDB]

Which has happened in countless bits of media before. Buffy, Dragonball Z, Loki etc.

Not really the same thing. Black Adam has been around since 1945. That's 77 years until today of him being pretty much a straight-up supervillain.

[ZariusTwo]

That's 77 years until today of him being pretty much a straight-up supervillain.

He's been on the Justice League for two years now.

[Andrew NDB]

He's been on the Justice League for two years now.

Yeah yeah, and suddenly out of nowhere Cyborg is on the Justice League in the comics right when Snyder starts working on his movie. This is what they do.

[ZariusTwo]

Yeah yeah, and suddenly out of nowhere Cyborg is on the Justice League in the comics right when Snyder starts working on his movie. This is what they do.

Cyborg was pushed as one of the Super Friends back in the 80s.

[Autbot_Benz]

https://i.imgur.com/C7Vx32X.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/fMTHeL2.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/4slt8FX.jpg

https://twitter.com/TheRock/status/1532862506124730368/photo/4

[Coola Yagami]

Those posters are confusing. Kinda like how the old Suicide Squad posters almost looked like Joker was one of em. Like... is Black Adam a team member and he turns on them, or like is the bad guy and these guys are called in to take him down?


Which has happened in countless bits of media before. Buffy, Dragonball Z, Loki etc.

None of those count. Those characters started as villains and went through actual story progression to turn into heroes/anti-heroes. They just make some new Buffy reboot with Spike as hero day one, or a DBZ reboot where Vegeta was always Goku's bestest bud day one.

[Andrew NDB]

I'm assuming they try to stop him, he kicks their candy a$$es, then they join his cause somehow.

[superstaff]

None of those count. Those characters started as villains and went through actual story progression to turn into heroes/anti-heroes.

Yep. It worked in those cases, even if they weren't perfect either.

[superstaff]

xnBLve6CvR0

New trailer out.

[Autbot_Benz]

Good Trailer I am mainly seeing this movie for Pierce Brosnan as Dr Fate. Fate is one of my favorite characters

[Andrew NDB]

I'm most excited that they had him posing by the rainbow flag in the trailer. That's important to me.

[Andrew NDB]

But anyway, yeesh. Hard to say. It could very easily be Venom 2/Morbius bad or it could be refreshing and fun/funny. I'm pretty wary of hardcore, violent and bloody villain movies that are forced into a PG-13 box. I don't think that's ever worked out.

Also, would it killed them to just give the Rock a Black Adam wig? It's not even that much hair they'd have to give him.

https://i.ibb.co/2YYBF75/Untitled-1.jpg

[Andrew NDB]

If you're looking for absolute comics accuracy,

Who would do a stupid thing like that? I just think one of the very most basic visual things about the character that could reasonably have been accommodated with the Rock should probably have done so.

[sdp]

I thought Rock looked the part of black adam but yeah wish he had the hair, he looks the look. I first got into the character when infinite crisis came out since it's when I got more into comics. He's basically the only evil superman i love since he feels like his own thing being a god.
Id love to see Shazam vs Black Adam but I feel it won't happen.

[Andrew NDB]

Are you new to comics movies? Because the majority of them aren't accurate, even 'visually'.

Are you? With the possible exception of Aquaman, no. They're generally visually fairly accurate. Which are the visually inaccurate comic book movies, on matters like making titular characters (I'm not talking, like, supporting cast) bald that aren't bald?

As for giving The Rock a wig, it probably would look weird on him like it did when he wore one in Central Intelligence. That aside, he was never going to wear a wig anyway because the studio wants him to look as recognizable as possible

That's kind of making the argument to put a wig on him. The Rock was never more iconic in the world or pop culture than when he wasn't shaving his head and would routinely shout out to "the milllliiiiiiiooooonsss!!!" every Monday and Thursday.

Also, I'm pretty sure the Rock never wore a wig on Central Intelligence. That was just his face mapped onto a fat dude for the flashback stuff. A fat dude who had hair. And what was the problem with him wearing a wig on Scorpion King or Hercules?

[superstaff]

C'mon. You're better than "I'm a victim"/"I've been victimized" type stuff.

Eh... I'm not really better than that, or anything else.

I don't think I ever have with you, and that's kind of my point. What is just quick replies or comments from me or others on this or that you're taking as shots across the bow. Regularly. But they really are just quick replies or comments.

Well, maybe from some others, those were shots across the bow. I can't speak to them. Though I have noticed you getting a little testy with guys around here who I know didn't mean you any offense or weren't trying to get argumentative with you. I mean, maybe you and I have had differing opinions on topics but that's life. I don't think you're loony or anything. And there are loonies here.

Thanks...

I don't think so. It seems important to you that nobody here thinks you are, so I take you at your word.

True, I...guess? I dunno, people tend to think I'm...things. I've been called every insult under the sun. All of them. From nerd girl to bigot to snowflake to Donald Trump to Hilary Clinton to weeb to Disney fantard to...yeah, everything. :oops:

Look, I'm sorry, I think I was projecting a lot of personal crap onto my recent comments, and got really out of hand. I'll delete those comments, and go fvck off somewhere offline or something.

[Andrew NDB]

I'll delete those comments, and go fvck off somewhere offline or something.

There's no need to do that.

[Autbot_Benz]

There are gonna be tie-in comics starting in July called The Justice Society Files.

https://i.imgur.com/zgZwrrq.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/NHEQVzh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/UCjFiV8.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/PKMd9Ft.jpg

[AquaParade]

The trailer didn't do much for me but I love those costumes.

[Autbot_Benz]

DvCFc5JtkkA

[Autbot_Benz]

https://i.imgur.com/csAFWjH.jpg

[IMJ]

It would be very interesting if the best thing that came out of this unnecessary and unrequested movie was some kind of surprisingly amazing Dr. Fate franchise. Especially after Marvel's magician in "The Multiverse of Madness" ending up so "nothing burger" and kind of sucky.

[Andrew NDB]

Especially after Marvel's magician in "The Multiverse of Madness" ending up so "nothing burger" and kind of sucky.

It really did. So very, very disappointing.

[AquaParade]

Seeing Doctor Fate in the previews inspired me to re-read Moore’s Swamp Thing, where I was first introduced to him. Can’t wait to see him in Black Adam.

[Autbot_Benz]

https://i.imgur.com/VduJasw.jpg

[Autbot_Benz]

https://i.imgur.com/Jh3D9MP.jpg

New trailer tomorrow

[Andrew NDB]

I don't know... this still seems off to me.

A brutal Black Adam who kills ruthlessly... in PG-13? Even after we got both an R-rated The Suicide Squad and an R-rated Birds of Prey?

Packing a Black Adam origin story with... the entire JSA (and presumably at least some of their origins)? wtf? Who thought this would be a good idea? Imagine trying to pack Iron Man 1 into The Avengers, and how effective that could be (as in, not at all).

I can appreciate not wanting to have Black Adam's origin happen in the Shazam movies so it can stand on its own... but no Shazam at all in Black Adam? Not even a cameo or a tease, even when Shazam 2 was filming at almost the exact same time?

[IMJ]

I don't know... this still seems off to me.

A brutal Black Adam who kills ruthlessly... in PG-13? Even after we got both an R-rated The Suicide Squad and an R-rated Birds of Prey?

Packing a Black Adam origin story with... the entire JSA (and presumably at least some of their origins)? wtf? Who thought this would be a good idea? Imagine trying to pack Iron Man 1 into The Avengers, and how effective that could be (as in, not at all).

I can appreciate not wanting to have Black Adam's origin happen in the Shazam movies so it can stand on its own... but no Shazam at all in Black Adam? Not even a cameo or a tease, even when Shazam 2 was filming at almost the exact same time?

We don't need this movie nor do we need a Black Adam standalone I.P. just like we didn't need "Venom". And like Venom, this will probably be a watchable but still mediocre comic book film that is fine to sit through once but in the end nobody cares about long-term.

And if it turns out I'm mistaken, then that's cool too but what we really need is that Superman MOS vs Braniac flick or that Affleck Batman movie that straddles Batman TAS with the existing DCEU content. And I'm still down for a great Green Lantern movie - honestly they should've doubled down on the Ryan Reynolds flicks, changed the costume, changed his name from Hal to "Kyle" and it would've been right on the money. The truth is that we don't need Shazam either. I think Warner Brothers is confusing the fact that the first movie was accepted for a viewing by audience due to it's lighter nature amidst a very dismal time for the country, both socially and creatively. But I don't think that anyone actually cares about "Shazam" as an I.P. Especially in a climate where going to the movie theater is now something you plan out and spend a fortune on instead of how it used to be when you "just went and saw a movie".

[AquaParade]

Yeah, I'm on the fence with this one. The visuals look cool but it needs a great story. I'll probably wait for the home-release, but I am looking forward to it, as of now.

[Autbot_Benz]

yWCISBILaUE

[IMJ]

Just can't help but feel that this is a movie where the Rock dresses up as Black Adam and does some mildly Black Adam things. Not like a movie where the Rock plays the character and Black Adam is brought to life.

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, Black Adam adapted to suit the Rock, not the Rock adapting to suit Black Adam. Unless you're like a huge fan of the Rock, I'm not sure what's here to get excited about.

Also, there better be a big in-movie explanation for why Superman and WW don't like immediately show up and start pounding on him.

[IMJ]

Yeah, Black Adam adapted to suit the Rock, not the Rock adapting to suit Black Adam. Unless you're like a huge fan of the Rock, I'm not sure what's here to get excited about.

Also, there better be a big in-movie explanation for why Superman and WW don't like immediately show up and start pounding on him.

Maybe it takes place while Superman is dead after Dawn of Justice but before JLA.

[Coola Yagami]

Just noticed Waller was in the trailer. They just can't decide wether or not the DCCU is gonna reboot or keep pushing forward.

[Autbot_Benz]

Post Credit scene rumor going around


The DC Syndicate | #BlackAdam? Oct 21 ????
@TheDC_Syndicate
Spoiler Alert ?? :
.
.
.
Henry Cavill will play #Superman in #BlackAdam. He has the classic suit with the John Willams' score for superman. Looks like it’s a new suit altogether and he says "We need to talk Black Adam".

Via:
@MyTimeToShineH
,
@TheComixKid

https://twitter.com/TheDC_Syndicate/status/1577854984678682624

[IMJ]

Cool if true, but relatively lame considering there's been no DCEU Superman action in a long time.

Just make the Cavill movie before his steroids lose efficacy in old age.

[Andrew NDB]

If that rumor's true, I'm not sure I'm too crazy about "the classic suit." Do we really need red underwear on Cavill? Is that supposed to make us excited?

[CyberCubed]

So then the Snyderverse isn't really dead. I mean we knew it wasn't anyway because Aquaman 2 and Wonder Woman 3 were eventually coming, but this makes it seem like its continuing.

Sure Snyder himself won't get to do whatever movie he planned after Justice League, but it seems WB is still keeping the universe going.

[Autbot_Benz]

Superman Post Credit Scene allegedly revealed


MyTimeToShineHello
@MyTimeToShineH
Waller tells Black Adam he better not leave Khandaq. That it's his prison now. He says something like "Or what!? there’s no one on this planet that can stop me." and she says in that case she’ll get someone not from this planet to deal with him.


MyTimeToShineHello
@MyTimeToShineH
Out of the smoke and shadows you see a figure wearing a cape fly down, it's Cavill and he tells Adam it’s been a while since someone’s made the world this nervous and they should talk.
https://twitter.com/MyTimeToShineH/status/1578756940234371075

[Leo656]

All of these supposed "leaks" reek of fanfiction. Like the ones who swore Lex was gonna pop up during the Zod fight in MoS.

I don't believe for one second Cavill is in this movie but if he does show up I can only pray it's none of these laughably bad scenarios with their absolutely terrible dialog.

That would be a terrible way to end the movie anyway. There's no movies with Cavill as Superman at ANY stage of development, and with WB being WB it will take at least until 2027 for the Black Adam sequel to come out, so what's going to happen in the meantime? We all just wait five years in real time for Superman and Black Adam to resolve their "conversation"? That'd be awful. And we know neither one of them are part of the Shazam sequel because we would have heard by now, and also, there'd be no room for them as that movie already looks overstuffed.

It's just not gonna happen, there's no way to even follow up on it if it did happen.

[Andrew NDB]

Seems to confirm the other one so yeah. He's in it, probably. Although yuck... what if the follow up is not any kind of Man of Steel 2/"Superman" movie but only some kind of BAvS movie?

Nothing has been announced for a proper Superman movie, no (while simultaneously talks about both black Superman projects have died on the vine), but if this is all true it means a deal has been reached with Cavill to do something significant.

[Leo656]

I don't think any of this "confirms" any of it, it all reads like something a young child wrote with all of the same amount of thought put into it. "Ohhhhhh, Superman just shows up out of nowhere and asks Black Adam to step outside!" :roll: The fact that the "scene" itself is always the same in every one of these "leaks" but the dialog is always different - yet still always in a similar vein - seems to more lean into my thesis that it's all just something a bunch of people with no imagination thought up and keep repeating trying to wish it into existence.

None of this means anything. People have been shouting "Cavill in Black Adam confirmed!" for at least two years, ever since it slipped out that Dwayne really wanted to work with Cavill. People just keep repeating the exact same rumors figuring that a stopped clock is still right twice a day so they might get lucky. I'll believe it when I see it.

And again, even if it does happen... there's no follow-up in the pipeline so it would be terrible to end the movie that way.

I want more Cavill Superman than anyone but I do not buy for one second that the new regime suddenly has this fond appreciation for the guy after previous regimes spent much time and money trying to force him out the door for good. I mean why is he trying to get himself booked for an MCU role, then? That would imply that he's done with WB/DC and just has too much tact to say so publicly, because frankly he never says anything about anything, as per the will of his PR team who always keep him on a very short leash.

We'll see but I smell bullsh*t.

[Autbot_Benz]

well the big rumor going around is

"Henry Cavill is appearing in 'Black Adam' in the post-credits scene...Henry Cavill has returned as Superman in 'Black Adam' because The Rock demanded it. He went hard, full-court press on Warner Bros., and made them go to Henry Cavill and they had to sign a new deal with Henry Cavill, including saying they were gonna develop a new 'Superman' movie."

"It was all because The Rock insisted," he concluded, reiterating what many online scoopers have been saying in recent days.

https://comicbookmovie.com/superman/black-adam-star-dwayne-johnson-reportedly-key-in-henry-cavills-superman-return-solo-movie-could-be-incoming-a197200#gs.elk1ht

[Andrew NDB]

The scene as described DOES sound like a fanfiction but this is a movie produced by the Rock all around the Rock. The expectation should not be intelligent writing or anything approaching subtlety.

Perhaps future Cavill content or whatever deal was struck with him is contingent on, you know, Black Adam actually performing. Which, yeesh, I'm not sure.

[Andrew NDB]

Though I guess this movie is still set before Flash... in which we've widely seen reported that Cavill's Superman gets literally erased. So after this we shall see what level of anything they have to new Cavill stuff. Or how much they're going to rejigger Flash. Because they have been doing that.

Also, yeesh. What a mess.

[Autbot_Benz]

CMHWGcZA7MQ

[AquaParade]

Really curious to see if I dig this film. Not sure how to feel. Usually, with DC, I either love or loath the film, and I can almost tell in advance.

I wouldn't say I'm hyped whatsoever, but I am curious, which is a good sign.

[Autbot_Benz]

I am only excited for Dr Fate Hawkman and the Superman Cameo if it happens.

[Autbot_Benz]

Its Official Cavill is back

Entertainment Tonight
@etnow
Dwayne Johnson just has *this* to say to Henry Cavill after getting Superman to return to the DCEU in #BlackAdam: "Welcome home." ????

https://twitter.com/etnow/status/1580352621201657856

[Andrew NDB]

"Welcome home." There it is.

That's also semi-confirmation that not only will Cavill not be erased as he was in the original cut of the Flash, but he may even show up in it as part of those reshoots.

[Prowler]

How many movies is the Rock in even? Feels like he's been in over a hundred of them at this point. I've seriously lost track.

I've seen a few movies starring him. Yes, he's not a very good actor. He basically plays himself in every role he plays. But that's easily forgiven for a pro wrestler. Obviously I've never expected him to be Marlon Brando.

[Andrew NDB]

He had nuance in "Faster." He really impressed me in that. Every other role was basically the same. It also doesn't help that in most of his movies, somehow at some point they have him do at least one Rock Bottom on somebody.

[ZariusTwo]

Its Official Cavill is back



https://twitter.com/etnow/status/1580352621201657856



The post-credits have leaked and it's everywhere now.

He's got the spit curl:D

[Leo656]

Holy sh*t.

[AquaParade]

Leaks made this obvious but can’t get excited for a cameo at the end of a movie.

That’s nice. Still waiting on an actual Superman sequel, which is still years away at best.

I guess as far as announcements go, a cameo isn’t the worst way to do it, but it still doesn’t amount to much, for me.

Glad to hear the movie is solid though. I’ll rent it as soon as I can watch at home.

[Leo656]

He looks great, hopefully they can get something going sooner rather than later.

[oldmanwinters]

CMHWGcZA7MQ

This feels very MCU.

[Autbot_Benz]

Glad to have Cavill back now get him a Superman movie now.

[Andrew NDB]

He's got the spit curl:D

They've given him that since BvS, no?

Looks like the "classic costume" scoop was wrong, unless I'm looking at the wrong leaked footage.

[Leo656]

No, it was slicked back again in both versions of Justice League, he only had it during the Batman fight in BvS and it was more of a cheeky Easter egg than anything. Not sure why they were hesitant to go with it before now but it admittedly looks pretty good. I'm not altogether wedded to it - George Reeves didn't have it, and neither did Dean Cain, and a lot of artists like John Byrne and even Alex Ross don't go out of their way to make it super prominent anyways. So I can take it or leave it, it's nice when it's there but I'm not incredibly upset when it's not.

As for "The classic suit" I can only imagine people are referring to the colors because it's still mostly the same suit as he's had, from what you can see of it. The red and blue are dialed way up but the color contrast and balance is much better than it was in Whedon's JL. The S shield has been reshaped and re-sized very slightly, when he stands at a certain angle it almost looks like the "classic" version used on merchandise and whatnot, except for the extended flourish near the top. The video I saw has already been taken down, but it's impossible to tell if he's got trunks or anything like that but I'm going to assume No.

So it looks like the same suit just with a slightly redesigned S shield and much brighter colors. Looks good. Very happy with it.

[AquaParade]

I’ve grown to sort of dislike everything Snyder did after Man of Steel, but I’m having a hard time imagining someone nailing the action as well as he did.

That has to be the best third-act action scene in any comic book movie.
I’d like to say it was something with practical effects, but that’s not what you’d need for Superman anyway, and cg battles don’t get better than that one.

They will probably need to go big in terms of getting a director on board we can all trust.
Superman has a lot of cache and WB forms relationships with directors, so… we could end up with a very interesting choice if we are lucky. I mean, I’m imagining the possibility of a big name.

Then again, they could just go back to Snyder, but that’s a whole other can of worms. I’d be for it, but not if it had anything to do with his previous plans. I’m done the evil Superman crap. I’m not talking about tone, which was fine in MoS.

[IMJ]

Two things are living in my head at the same time about this news -

-incredibly excited for what this could mean for Superman on film going forward
-they had to get this done and out there to sell tickets for this movie

[Turo602]

My only concern is that whatever they do next with Superman is going to be the polar opposite of what Snyder did and have him act unnaturally happy go lucky in the face of danger like he did at the end of Whedon's Justice League. He was great in Man of Steel and even if he's a lot happier with his role in the world, I still want it to feel grounded. I'm tired of the 1978 Superman being treated like the standard for superhero films or even the garbage we get from the MCU.

[IMJ]

Hard to disagree with any of that. I mean - I'd like to see him lighten and be more of a hopeful inspiration in personality as opposed to just a "god figure", but yeah definitely that without turning him into f'n Groot or Rocket.

[Leo656]

-they had to get this done and out there to sell tickets for this movie

Yeah this screams "leaked on purpose" to me. It worked, though; I wasn't gonna see it in theatres and now I might, and I know a few other fence-sitters are also now shifting gears. So if it was "leaked on purpose" it's having the desired effect. I know the movie was probably going to do well regardless and this won't make or break it, but they probably want to maximize the potential and the impact. Wouldn't be the first time something like this was done to try and wrangle a few undecideds.

My only concern is that whatever they do next with Superman is going to be the polar opposite of what Snyder did and have him act unnaturally happy go lucky in the face of danger like he did at the end of Whedon's Justice League. He was great in Man of Steel and even if he's a lot happier with his role in the world, I still want it to feel grounded. I'm tired of the 1978 Superman being treated like the standard for superhero films or even the garbage we get from the MCU.

I agree, and I always have similar concerns, but based on what little we've seen here I am a bit more at ease. He played this one scene with the appropriate gravitas so as long as we have a competent director and not a schmuck like Whedon I think we'll be okay. Fingers crossed, anyways.

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah this screams "leaked on purpose" to me.

Oh, absolutely. No doubt about it. And look at all the press the movie is suddenly getting left and right about Cavill for days leading up to the "leak."

[Leo656]

That audience reaction was f*cking awesome, in the one I saw (not sure how many versions of the leak there are). People yelling "COME ON!" before he even appeared, popping huge for just the sound of his voice and getting so loud you couldn't even hear exactly what he said (you can make it out but the crowd definitely roared over the audio to an impressive degree). And then all that sheer fist-pumping jubilation when you finally do see him. That's way better than I'd ever expected to see people react; I wasn't sure how it'd go but that sure was nice to see. I imagine the "Not Impressed" scene in ZSJL would have gotten a similar pop had it run in theaters; too bad we'll never know.

It actually speaks well to the movie itself, I think, that by the end of it people were in such a great mood that they pretty much threw Cavill a parade for popping in and saying two sentences in ten seconds. Like they were with it in the moment, y'know? If they had a bad time for the previous two-hours-whatever they likely wouldn't have been quite so jubilant by the time the post-credits rolled around.

So I know it's just the one thing but I think based on the reaction to the post-credits scene itself that the movie is also probably pretty good, or at least entertaining. I admit, they got me. I went from "Eh, one day" to "Let's hope we can go on opening night" pretty fast, just because my wife hates Spoilers and I really wanna see her ruin the seat in the theater when Cavill shows up. That's gonna be epic. :lol:

Also, as usual when I'm wrong about something it works out great for everyone, so yeah, I refused to believe it but that's also probably Why it happened. :trazz: As always, pretty happy to be wrong. I just hope they have more in the pipeline than they're telling and that we're actually closer to a follow-up than we think.

[Andrew NDB]

I expect I won't like large chunks of the movie but will forgive a lot of that because of the sheer volume of genuinely "funny moments." That's what I'm thinking.

[Leo656]

I mostly wanna see Dr. Fate. I'm not really sure how I'll feel about the movie itself but I am very curious as to how they're going to handle the Justice Society, just in general.

I think this movie might be a better indication than Flash, in a sense, as to how the DCU "course correction" is going to be like, moving forward. Flash we know has been butchered to hell and back so many times that it's not even the same movie it was a year ago, so it will be hard to gauge anything solid from that one. This movie might actually be the one to give us a real idea of what to expect in the future. I think Flash was originally intended to be a hard reboot but now might just end up as kind of an outlier/"explore the multiverse" movie without most of its originally-intended consequences, and I think Black Adam will tell us more about how much of the original DCU will be carried over into upcoming stuff.

[AquaParade]

I’m pretty sure the audience reactions are from fan-screenings.

[CyberCubed]

Man it's hard to believe next year it'll officially be 10 full years since Man of Steel came out in 2013. It really doesn't feel like a whole decade ago. To put that into perspective Man of Steel came out only 1 year after The Dark Knight Rises in 2012, and 1 year after the first Avengers film also in 2012.

I looked up his age and Henry Cavill is only 39?!? Weird I thought he was older, he's only a few years older than I am. That means he was only 28 when he made Man of Steel? It's weird to think how young he was, he already looked mid-30's back then.

[Andrew NDB]

Cavill is only 39?!? Weird I thought he was older, he's only a few years older than I am. That means he was only 28 when he made Man of Steel? It's weird to think how young he was, he already looked mid-30's back then.

And that wasn't even the first time he was cast as Superman.

[Leo656]

I’m pretty sure the audience reactions are from fan-screenings.

Could be. Doesn't mean the enthusiasm isn't legitimate. I've been to events where it was like an early showing or practically expenses-paid and people still made it clear if they weren't happy with what they're looking at. Just because people are in the main audience and got to watch it for free or almost-free doesn't automatically make them trained seals who'll clap at anything.

Like, for MoS my comic book store guy rented a theater for the day before the wide release and if you were a regular to the store you just chipped in $3-5 for snacks and everything else was free. 3D showing, too. So it was basically a "free" showing for a bunch of fans and a lot of people still stomped out cursing under their breath (or out loud) because they just really didn't like the movie.

So yeah, I get what you're saying, if they're already the target audience and they're being shown the movie as a gift, that can skew the enthusiasm upwards. But not always.

[Leo656]

And that wasn't even the first time he was cast as Superman.

One of the main reasons I'm such a huge supporter of the guy is because it really is his lifelong dream to play the character, and he's fought for it his whole career. You don't always see that kind of enthusiasm from actors - usually we hear about "so-and-so actually hates playing ____ but they do it for the fans" - and I'd love to see it rewarded by actually giving the guy a lot to do. They simply will not find anyone who both embodies the role but also reveres it as much as this guy does.

It's historically the hardest role in all of fiction to cast because fans are so persnickety but also no actor wants to do it, for various reasons ranging from typecasting to fan expectations to "the curse" (which mostly seems to have died down, thankfully). So to get a guy who WANTS the job and is actually also really, really good at it... to not utilize that is a spectacular waste of resources.

Better late than never, I guess. Whatever they do is long overdue but at least it'll be something.

[Autbot_Benz]

I mostly wanna see Dr. Fate. I'm not really sure how I'll feel about the movie itself but I am very curious as to how they're going to handle the Justice Society, just in general.



that's the only reason I wanna see this movie is Dr Fate .

That audience reaction was f*cking awesome, in the one I saw (not sure how many versions of the leak there are). People yelling "COME ON!" before he even appeared, popping huge for just the sound of his voice and getting so loud you couldn't even hear exactly what he said (you can make it out but the crowd definitely roared over the audio to an impressive degree). And then all that sheer fist-pumping jubilation when you finally do see him. That's way better than I'd ever expected to see people react; I wasn't sure how it'd go but that sure was nice to see. I imagine the "Not Impressed" scene in ZSJL would have gotten a similar pop had it run in theaters; too bad we'll never know.




ya I have watched the post credit scene twice once on youtube once on twitter and its the same loud excited crowd. See WB See what happens when you listen to the fans. you get excited people.

[Leo656]

I don't like to give Dwayne credit for anything but supposedly this is all at his insistence, so whatever, thanks Flex.

I just hope it doesn't all lead to Superman doing the job for Black Adam. I mean book it 50/50 if you must but Superman really needs to be booked a little stronger than he's been in these movies so far, fight scene-wise. He always holds his own but he's only ever really gotten a clean win in Snyder's JL. He already jobbed to Batman so I'm not eager to see him lay down for Black Adam. But we'll see what happens.

[Turo602]

I don't like to give Dwayne credit for anything but supposedly this is all at his insistence, so whatever, thanks Flex.

57fA9mVJoS4

Sorry, I won't tolerate shade against The Great One. :P

[Prowler]

57fA9mVJoS4

Sorry, I won't tolerate shade against The Great One. :P

Well, if I may, I don't really go out of my way to watch his movies. Granted it's not his fault that Doom was a garbage movie. The latest movie of his I saw was that one with Gal Gadot and Ryan Reynolds. Mediocre but entertaining enough film to watch on the weekend.

[Andrew NDB]

1) Fast Five
2) Faster
3) The Rundown
4) Pain & Gain

Those are the only good movies with the Rock, in that order. There are some others that are OK (Walking Tall, Jumanjis) but aren't really "good" movies and some that are rather gimmicky (Skyscraper, San Andreas, Rampage) movies.

[Prowler]

1) Fast Five
2) Faster
3) The Rundown
4) Pain & Gain

Those are the only good movies with the Rock, in that order. There are some others that are OK (Walking Tall, Jumanjis) but aren't really "good" movies and some that are rather gimmicky (Skyscraper, San Andreas, Rampage) movies.

I saw The Rundown over a decade ago. I liked it but don't remember it that well.

[Turo602]

Well, if I may, I don't really go out of my way to watch his movies. Granted it's not his fault that Doom was a garbage movie. The latest movie of his I saw was that one with Gal Gadot and Ryan Reynolds. Mediocre but entertaining enough film to watch on the weekend.

Yeah, I don't really go out of my way to watch his movies but what I have seen of his I don't mind. I enjoy his comedic roles and he's a shoo-in for action movies. You're not gonna get the greatest acting or writing from his films, but that's also true of all the old action movie stars from back in the day like Schwarzenegger and Van Damme. I just think it's a shame that he hasn't had that one role or series that he defines like Schwarzenegger with Terminator and Stallone with Rocky.

[Leo656]

Get Smart was good but to be fair you have to give a sh*t about the old TV show to give a f*ck about the movie, and going by the numbers nobody really did. I liked it, though, it was fine.

[Prowler]

Yeah, I don't really go out of my way to watch his movies but what I have seen of his I don't mind. I enjoy his comedic roles and he's a shoo-in for action movies. You're not gonna get the greatest acting or writing from his films, but that's also true of all the old action movie stars from back in the day like Schwarzenegger and Van Damme. I just think it's a shame that he hasn't had that one role or series that he defines like Schwarzenegger with Terminator and Stallone with Rocky.

Yeah. You said pretty much everything.

Schwarzenegger also had Predator and Total Recall. Both classics. And Stallone also had Rambo.

What's the most iconic movie starring The Rock? One of the Fast and Furious movies? That franchise already existed before he was in it. The Scorpion King? Both famous movies but not exactly timeless classics like Rocky and The Terminator are.

The Rock seems to go for quantity over quality. He also did a bunch of Disney movies and played the tooth fairy in one. I guess he just likes being in movies and doesn't care as long as he gets lead roles.

[Turo602]

Get Smart was good but to be fair you have to give a sh*t about the old TV show to give a f*ck about the movie, and going by the numbers nobody really did. I liked it, though, it was fine.

Eh, I don't think that's true. I didn't even know it was based on a TV show when I saw it just like I'm sure most people didn't know 21 Jump Street was a show either. Get Smart seems like more of a Steve Carell film than anything.

[Leo656]

How big are the rocks these people are living under that they didn't know that Get Smart or 21 Jump Street were TV shows? It's the only thing that explains the absolutely ludicrous premise of either one, the fact that they were both based on old TV shows from a time when every goofy idea got a timeslot.

I mean, I'm sure SOME people may have been so oblivious but I think they'd rather be of the same ilk that didn't know Resident Evil was a video game first.

[Prowler]

Get Smart was good but to be fair you have to give a sh*t about the old TV show to give a f*ck about the movie, and going by the numbers nobody really did. I liked it, though, it was fine.

I've heard of the show but never watched it. So no, I haven't see the movie either.

[Leo656]

Ah man that show was a gas. Agent 99. Mrowr. Ought've been Agent 69, if I'd had my say in it.

[Prowler]

Anyway, The Rock needs to stop eating 5 steroid meals a day if he wants to live to ripe old age.

"No, that's all going to bed early, waking up early and eating a balanced diet!"

Yeah, right...

[Leo656]

LoL his skull is three times larger than it was in 1998. That sh*t only happens one way. Some guys you can look at and go "I wonder..." at least a little bit, but when a dude has an entirely new head there's just no plausible deniability left.

[Prowler]

LoL his skull is three times larger than it was in 1998. That sh*t only happens one way. Some guys you can look at and go "I wonder..." at least a little bit, but when a dude has an entirely new head there's just no plausible deniability left.

Guy literally looks more and more like a rock every day. That's not natural, no matter how great your genes are. Not even when he was a wrestler did he get so big. Considering he's middle aged at this point, he shouldn't be building muscle as easily as he did when he was younger.

Anyway, that's his problem. He's a grown man. He cna do whatever he wants to. But the day I wake up and see on the news the "Dwayne Johnson passed away of a sudden heart attack this morning" headline, I won't be shocked exactly.

[Turo602]

How big are the rocks these people are living under that they didn't know that Get Smart or 21 Jump Street were TV shows? It's the only thing that explains the absolutely ludicrous premise of either one, the fact that they were both based on old TV shows from a time when every goofy idea got a timeslot.

I mean, I'm sure SOME people may have been so oblivious but I think they'd rather be of the same ilk that didn't know Resident Evil was a video game first.

Well, pretty sure most people went to the theater for reasons that had nothing to do with them being based on TV shows that had been irrelevant for decades. They're reinventions for a modern audience because it's easier for Hollywood to pull an old idea from a hat than come up with something new. Same applies to Resident Evil which was just a hot chick vs zombies and somehow got by for 6 films without the director knowing jack sh*t about the games outside of clips he saw on YouTube that he could steal.

[Prowler]

I've heard and read nothing but terrible things about the Resident Evil movies.

Doesn't seem like they're good advertisement for the series.

[Turo602]

I've heard and read nothing but terrible things about the Resident Evil movies.

Doesn't seem like they're good advertisement for the series.

Maybe the idea was that you'd be so pissed off by the movies that you'd repent by playing the games.

[Leo656]

I dunno, man. Every single person in the theater for Get Smart was much older than me, and I am quite certain that they were 100% there because they watched the TV show back in the day. Many of them probably saw it in its original airing, from the look of 'em. I just used to watch it on Nick At Nite back in the day. I also remember the marketing at the time leaning heavily on people remembering the show, it wasn't being treated like anything "new", it was very clearly a revival of an old thing.

I think that's why it bombed, too. Austin Powers had already done "spy spoof" on a much grander scale, so Get Smart being a "dollar store" version of that same premise had zero appeal whatsoever outside of people with nostalgic fondness for the TV show, and that was probably not a huge audience by then.

I don't think it was made for a "new audience" at all, it was like Brady Bunch or one of them kinda movies. "Remember This? What if... Now, instead of Then?" I think they just overestimated people's nostalgia for the show entirely and that the premise itself held no appeal for anyone outside the core audience, for reasons I already mentioned. Some people might've gone in blind but that's gotta be like, ten people, tops.

[Andrew NDB]

Now can they go back and add him into Shazam properly?

[Leo656]

Would be nice, I got what they were going for but the fact that it was an obvious Fake Shemp just made that scene totally eye-rolling when it could've been really cool and epic.

I mean movies get re-worked all the time long after release so f*ck it, I don't see any reason why they couldn't take two whole seconds to fix that scene and make that the official version for digital and all upcoming disc releases. They won't bother, but they could/should, definitely.

[Coola Yagami]

Yeah. You said pretty much everything.

Schwarzenegger also had Predator and Total Recall. Both classics. And Stallone also had Rambo.

What's the most iconic movie starring The Rock? One of the Fast and Furious movies? That franchise already existed before he was in it. The Scorpion King? Both famous movies but not exactly timeless classics like Rocky and The Terminator are.

The Rock seems to go for quantity over quality. He also did a bunch of Disney movies and played the tooth fairy in one. I guess he just likes being in movies and doesn't care as long as he gets lead roles.

Y'know... that's right. For all his movies, he's never had any clear defining roles. Even with the Fast and Furious whenever I heard that name, Vin Diesel usually comes to mind, not The Rock.

Being The Rock in WWE will always be his defining role. It'll just be a fact that he happened to be in so many movies, but nothing that really defined a cinematic legacy.

[Prowler]

Y'know... that's right. For all his movies, he's never had any clear defining roles. Even with the Fast and Furious whenever I heard that name, Vin Diesel usually comes to mind, not The Rock.

Being The Rock in WWE will always be his defining role. It'll just be a fact that he happened to be in so many movies, but nothing that really defined a cinematic legacy.
While The Rock did have the most successful wrestler transition to actor of all time, he's still looked at as a former pro wrestler. So yeah, he's always going to be an action man. He even decided to get rid of his wrestling name in Hollywood around 2007. And yes, tbh, it has worked for the most part. A lot of people just call him Dwayne Johnson nowadays. I just clal him The Rock out of habit. Plus it's raider and faster to type lol

[Coola Yagami]

While The Rock did have the most successful wrestler transition to actor of all time, he's still looked at as a former pro wrestler. So yeah, he's always going to be an action man. He even decided to get rid of his wrestling name in Hollywood around 2007. And yes, tbh, it has worked for the most part. A lot of people just call him Dwayne Johnson nowadays. I just clal him The Rock out of habit. Plus it's raider and faster to type lol

I mean the fact he keeps coming back to WWE everyone once in a while to get the crowd going doesn't help matters. He'll forever be The Rock, no matter how hard he tries.

I remember the first episode of Smackdown Live on Peacock or whatever, they brought The Rock in to further pump it up.

[IMJ]

‘Black Adam’ Review: Dwayne Johnson’s Superhero Debut Is Another Catastrophe for DC’s Film Universe (https://www.indiewire.com/2022/10/black-adam-movie-review-1234773729/)

Hm......

LMAO The writer calls the JSA the "DCEU's Farm Team" and that they get into "minor league scraps". geeze

[Leo656]

So okay, two things I feel obligated to mention out of hand:

1. Legitimately, this is the first outright negative review I've read. Most are saying it's no worse than "decent if predictable", and more are saying it's actually Pretty Good.

2. More importantly, the author of this review makes no attempt whatsoever to hide their disdain for super-hero movies. He makes repeated mention of how same-y, boring, predictable, and irritating they are (to him).

So basically, "I don't like super-hero movies, and therefore I hate this one too, because it does what all of them do." I'm paraphrasing, but that's essentially the review.

It's his opinion, but to me it's why people who don't like punk rock shouldn't review punk albums; you can have an opinion, but your opinion needs an asterisk besides it because you're entirely not the audience for the material. Or it'd be like me reviewing a Grateful Dead album. "This is one of the worst albums I ever heard... just like ALL of the other ones by this band." Would you take my review seriously? Probably not.

We'll see what comes of it, I'm hoping to go this weekend. Just saying, it took me all of 15 seconds to realize that this guy has an axe to grind with the entire genre. Movie might be lackluster but I certainly wouldn't take his word for it.

So far, the thing that gives me some concern is that between the "homage" shots to Snyder's movies, and the fact that they shot the movie as a Hard R and then edited it down to PG-13... it kinda seems like they're trying to mimic Snyder as hard as they can in a very superficial way, and that can turn out Good or Bad and we won't know until it's all out there in front of us.