If Bishop appears in the nick show, how should he be featured?

[victory_angel]

So for any one who has seen the finally online last night, you may have have noticed a certain government affiliated group from the 2k3 series.

The Earth Protection Force

We will have to wait until the start of season three at the earliest or New York Comic Con before we have confirmation. But people are already taking a sign that a certain Antihero/villain that everyone loves to hate will make an appearance.

For people who are unfamiliar with Bishops Character. He was originally a US soldier who was abducted by Aliens during the war of 1812 and experimented on. After being returned to earth he vows to protect the earth from all alien threats. All experiments performed on him are largely unknown but his longevity may be a result. As head of the EPF he controls area 51 he captures and runs various experiments on numerous alien species. He also has a black and white view where humans are good and in some cases shades of neutral grey. And anything non-human is bad or should be exploited.


But the question is if he does in fact appear in the nick version. How should he be presented?

I feel that he is someone who is brought in as a double cross from the Shredder to the Kraang. The Shredder knows the rest of the Turtles and their friends are still out there, and as long as they live his vengeance was not complete. So he tells Bishop that the Kraang invasion was caused by a group of Mutant Turtles and they should be captured and dealt with.

The EPH find the Turtle mech and take that away to be studied. They also capture various mutants off screen and lock them away for study or interrogation.

When the Turtles encounter Bishop for the first time Mike refers to him as Anti-Donnie. Because he's smart like Donnie, but his actions are Amoral.

[evan2000]

I'm sure many of you won't buy this idea, but what if:

http://i.imgur.com/cSIb8j0.jpg

Not the best speculation here, but it sure does explain a lot.

[Luckyday]

I don't see it. It's not that it can't work, I just don't have vision for it.

[snake]

I'd like his apperence to be the same as 2k3.

[MrTMNT2012]

I want him to be just as badass and to make up for the 2K3 version, have an actual fist fight with Oroku Saki!

[blindturtle02]

I hope he's very similar to the 2k3 version. I've always loved Bishop because he's seemed like an antiDon to me too. It'd be awesome to see someone test Don's mental metal, and Bishop seems like he'd be perfect for that. Not sure if David Mansley will be able to voice him or not. I'd personally love to hear Lance Henriksen doing it if David couldn't. Henriksen can sound very sinister when he needs to. Always wanted to hear this guy in Turtles. Heck, he's already played a Bishop in the Alien franchise. I think he's got the chops for it.

[Warhorse]

Do people still want to go with the story that he was originally abducted by aliens and experimented on, explaining why he has super human strength and reflexes? Maybe he knows more about April's past and her mother?

I've seen people on here think Bishop wouldn't fit in with the 2012 show, but the way I see it, I think the creators are going to slowly let the show grow up, kind of like Harry Potter did. It would be perfect to have Bishop debut in the middle of season 3, and have him just as badass and dangerous as he was in the 2k3 show. I definitely see him as wanting to get his hands on Donnie once he finds out that Donnie can create an anti mutagen. Maybe Bishop could have a personal stake in this, perhaps he has a family that was transformed into a mutant, or went missing via alien abductions and he is just trying to find them, and will stop at nothing to do just that. (Maybe his daughter could be Irma and he got a message from her just before she got abducted by Kraang and she tells him to go find April and Casey, maybe he already got to Casey's house and that's why his dad and sister weren't there, they were already taken by the government for questioning):P

[shredder orokusaki]

I'm sure many of you won't buy this idea, but what if:

http://i.imgur.com/cSIb8j0.jpg

Not the best speculation here, but it sure does explain a lot.

That can not be true becuase if was Bishop then he would had super powers and fight the kraang instead of try to escape from them. At the episode where the kraang attacked him in his home it was the turtles who saved him when he fell from the window he didnt do anything else than running away from the kraang. It can not be Bishop.

[victory_angel]

Kurtzman says he's been looking into the Kraang for a year, but he has at least ten years worth of information and things on the Kraang in his apartment. So it would make sense that he could be a kraang or an utrom but he doesn't follow the hive mind set that the Kraang do. And if possible he could fill the turtles in on what April's connection to the Kraang is and also the Kraang's interest in turning Earth into another Dimention X.


At this time the Turtles have only known evil aliens. But in the other incarnations the alien characters have either been good, chaotic good (Usagi OT and 2003), good but not very bright (I.E. the Polarazoids in the OT), Chaotic Neutral (Mr. Ogg, Traximus, Zog), Evil (Krang, Kraang), and Chaotic Evil (Dreg, Triceriton empire, Newtralizer)

So maybe season three the Turtles will encounter other races of Alien that are peaceful and good.

Bishop on the other hand doesn't see aliens as good or bad... he just sees things in a human and non-human view. He does make some effort at preventing the involvement of humans at large in defeat of an alien threat, but there are times where he will do actions that could leave a human or a small population dead and brutally injured. But he would just brush it off as unfortunate casualty, but as long as they achieved their goal it doesn't matter.

The big difference between Donnie and Bishop is Donnie does scientific research to further his own knowledge as well as to establish a means of defeating anything that is a threat to his family and humanity in general.

He is also one of the sort who would idealistically dream of the world being able to accept mutants as people.

Bishop on the other hand uses scientific research as a form of torture. Mutants are seen as lesser beings that no one would miss. So maybe mutant round up, or putting Mutants in a concentration camp at best.

Doing invasive studies on mutants until they die at worst.
He is the sort who wants the world to be entirely free of non-humans and aliens.


His fight and efforts against the Shredder were okay in the 2k3 because Shredder was an Alien in that that version. But that won't work in the Nick Show unless they some how reveal to Bishop that Shredder was the only who was behind the Kraang invasion.

But even then Bishop would be more interested in hunting down the Kraang then a human with a grudge. It would only make sense if the Shredder convinced Bishop that the Turtle's were behind it just so he can have the pleasure of watching Splinter's Son's getting hunted down like the animals they are.

[Warhorse]

Bishop might also lock up anyone he feels is harboring any kind of alien or mutant, and if he finds out that Shredder is trying to protect a cerain mutant, it could piss off Bishop, not to mention pretty much all of Shredder's top henchmen are all mutants. Bishop will be after Shredder just for being a traitor. He might even find and capture Karai to lure him in.

[MaximeLoonatic]

A big yes on that!

[TerranigmaFreak]

Not a big fan of Bishop in TMNT 2K3, but I don't mind seeing some recognition for TMNT 2K3 and Bishop is perfect.

[Luckyday]

It would be nice to have more antagonists on the show and a intelligent one at that.

[Cure]

Not a big fan of Bishop in TMNT 2K3

Me, neither. If he HAS to be in this show, I hope he's completely different.

[victory_angel]

Bishop might also lock up anyone he feels is harboring any kind of alien or mutant, and if he finds out that Shredder is trying to protect a cerain mutant, it could piss off Bishop, not to mention pretty much all of Shredder's top henchmen are all mutants. Bishop will be after Shredder just for being a traitor. He might even find and capture Karai to lure him in.

Or Capture Karai to lure Shredder, Splinter, and the Turtles into his clutches.

[Luckyday]

Me, neither. If he HAS to be in this show, I hope he's completely different.

Well what kind of interpretation of him do you want to see?

[Cryomancer]

Haven't watched the latest eps so I'm gonna assume the Kraang are still around in some form?

Anyway I would like to see him as something that comes in because of the Kraang activity, doesn't really care about Shredder much but will of course use resources against him if the Foot is in his way. Probably wanting to capture the TMNT as usual, if only for info on the Kraang if nothing else. Wouldn't be surprised if he also wants to get April, or maybe a plot thing will be preventing him from learning about April?

Anyway as long as he gets good episodes like in 2k3 I'm all for this, been wanting him to break the "one version" barrier.

[CyberCubed]

I hope if he appears its done well.

[BabyTurtles]

I'm sure many of you won't buy this idea, but what if:

http://i.imgur.com/cSIb8j0.jpg

Not the best speculation here, but it sure does explain a lot.

.....I feel like they are gonna do this....Nick LOVES changing new characters into old characters after all.

[Shark_Blade]

I have feeling he won't appear. It's just a one shot reference much like Ace duck.

[neatoman]

I have feeling he won't appear. It's just a one shot reference much like Ace duck.

I don't know, they did bother to model the soldiers and I don't think they're just going to go away now that the mutation thing needs to be taken care of somehow.

[victory_angel]

And Ace Duck is pretty much a joke character in any incarnation. As an action figure he finds the Turtle Blimp and essentially rents it out to the Turtles.

He's just a TV show character in the OT.

He narcissist in the Archie Comics,

And Shredder was not impressed by the concept of him in the 2012. Not to mention all the posts debating how useful a Duck would be as a fighter in the "Lonely Mutation of Baxter Stockman thread."

Bishop on the other hand we know has some substance. So it would be interesting to have a villain with a black and white view of the world and the creatures living in it.

[Galactus]

It would be great to have Bishop in this series. It does need more human villains and ones on par with Shredder.

Certainly Shredder having connections with Kraang would put the two of them at odds but there's equal ways the two could be loosely aligned as well.

It was a nice nod to have the Earth Protection Force but I do hope there's more to it. Remember in season 1 when they mentioned Baxter being fired from TCRI and at that point it didn't look like TCRI would properly feature? It would be cool if it was something they planned ahead with.

[Leofan26]

If they do season four would be focused on that, season three we have a new threat here. Than again, we should focus on the final defeat of Shredder, unless we get another season added. I want Shredder's defeat to be specially handled well in this series, no added in villains thank you :P

[shuriken]

Like a boss.
But honestly I wouldn't want him in this series.

[ToTheNines]

If he shows up, he's gonna have to be whacky and incompetent. Because the Kraang are whacky and incompetent.

2k3 Bishop would have nailed the Kraang to the wall decades ago.

[CyberCubed]

I don't think so, look at how serious Shredder is and he works with the Kraang.

Bishop being serious is part of his character, I just hope they don't go too wacky with his character design. Considering he's just a man in a suit, I'm not sure what they can do.

[sdp]

I hope he appears, he is easily the best TMNT character created since Karai. If he doesn't it'd be a shame and if he never appears in another incarnation it'd be a huge waste as big as Armaggon.

I also like Hun and hope he is used in other Ninja Turtles media but I don't mind if he doesn't since Shredder in this version already has so many cronies.

[CyberCubed]

Hun and Bishop were the two most important 4kids villains that broke new ground in TMNT lore.

I'll be surprised if Hun never appears, I think he will be Casey's father in this show.

[victory_angel]

Yeah, it seemed too convenient that Casey's family is missing, so yeah it is possible to assume that they were casualties like April's father had been. But they very well could have been that majority of the humans who were not mutated were evacuated out of the city by the EPF. If they hadn't hopped in the car and evacuated on their own.

[neatoman]

Yeah, it seemed too convenient that Casey's family is missing, so yeah it is possible to assume that they were casualties like April's father had been. But they very well could have been that majority of the humans who were not mutated were evacuated out of the city by the EPF. If they hadn't hopped in the car and evacuated on their own.

It seemed to me like Casey's family was like some of those characters that are mentioned but never seen for budget reasons. From what I understand, making a new character would cost too much if they're minor. This is why it's mentioned that April lives with her aunt when her dad is out of the picture, yet we have never seen her even once in the 52 episodes that have aired, not even when they had to escape the city.

Maybe Hun will or will not be Casey's father but I will say this, if he does appear he will play a major role regardless of who or what he turns out to be.

On a side note, I think that the consequences of these budget constraints are part of what makes me a little disappointed with this this show. Because they have to showcase toy-centric characters like Spider-Bytez, Snakeweed, Spyroach etc, they can't make use of rather necessary characters like April's aunt.
Oh the aunt may not seem important but think about it, what do think would further the story and the characters more?

An episode where the turtles are being mind controlled by wasps, or an episode where April talks with her aunt about missing her dad?
An episode where the turtles are being mind controlled by pizzas, or an episode where Casey has to confront his dad about the crime fighting?
An episode where the turtles are being mind controlled by a ghost, or an episode all about Splinter's human life?

Also the budget constraints might also mean the end of the Mutagen Man arc, hopefully it isn't but it would be a real letdown if Donnie's promise to cure him really did end with "You'll thaw out sooner or later".

[marcelangelo]

It seemed to me like Casey's family was like some of those characters that are mentioned but never seen for budget reasons. From what I understand, making a new character would cost too much if they're minor. This is why it's mentioned that April lives with her aunt when her dad is out of the picture, yet we have never seen her even once in the 52 episodes that have aired, not even when they had to escape the city.

Maybe Hun will or will not be Casey's father but I will say this, if he does appear he will play a major role regardless of who or what he turns out to be.

On a side note, I think that the consequences of these budget constraints are part of what makes me a little disappointed with this this show. Because they have to showcase toy-centric characters like Spider-Bytez, Snakeweed, Spyroach etc, they can't make use of rather necessary characters like April's aunt.
Oh the aunt may not seem important but think about it, what do think would further the story and the characters more?

An episode where the turtles are being mind controlled by wasps, or an episode where April talks with her aunt about missing her dad?
An episode where the turtles are being mind controlled by pizzas, or an episode where Casey has to confront his dad about the crime fighting?
An episode where the turtles are being mind controlled by a ghost, or an episode all about Splinter's human life?

Also the budget constraints might also mean the end of the Mutagen Man arc, hopefully it isn't but it would be a real letdown if Donnie's promise to cure him really did end with "You'll thaw out sooner or later".

I agree very much with you on the sad consequences of the budget constraints....but woah, written out its almost funny how often we got the same stupid story element of being mind controlled by something or someone in this still very young show!..hahah, good observation!

[The Vernon]

I think he should be featured as a bear mutant. It's the only thing that makes sense. Oh yea... after looking at victory angel's avatar for more than 10 mintues or maybe 30, I now suggest that it be a unicorn bear.

[snake]

I think he should be featured as a bear mutant. It's the only thing that makes sense. Oh yea... after looking at victory angel's avatar for more than 10 mintues or maybe 30, I now suggest that it be a unicorn bear.

This is a joke, right?

[Warhorse]

I'm wondering, if there is a Bishop, will he discover the Turtle's lair while hunting down the last remnants of the Kraang.

[snake]

I'm wondering, if there is a Bishop, will he discover the Turtle's lair while hunting down the last remnants of the Kraang.

That would be cool. He'd probably find Splinter as well.

[victory_angel]

Maybe find all the mutants in the city such as Spiderbites, Snakeweed, Slash, Rockwell, and such and has them all locked up in a containment facility.

[Warhorse]

That would be cool. He'd probably find Splinter as well.

I'm hoping he finds Timothy, and in his twisted mind, he might think the Turtles are the ones doing the experiments on humans. Nothing more dangerous than a villain of the protaganists that has a real good reason to be like they are. That way, he's not so black and white, just isn't seeing the whole picture.

[ToTheNines]

I don't think so, look at how serious Shredder is and he works with the Kraang.

Bull.

Shredder works with them, but Bishop's life mission is to eradicate all aliens on Earth. So if they have been around forever... he basically sucks. Unless he literally just got hired or something.

[Icebot]

Same way he was featured in the 4kids series, except he should immediately turn the Earth Protection Force into the Pan Galactic Alliance.

[Cowabunga Carl]

I think Bishop in this show would be very interesting. I mean the fact that there was an Earth Protection Force in the Invasion episodes, it just makes sense there would be someone in charge. I don't think he has to be inept at his job, as the Kraang are not wide spread and for the most part seem pretty good at hiding as most of the world doesn't know about them.

[victory_angel]

I think Bishop in this show would be very interesting. I mean the fact that there was an Earth Protection Force in the Invasion episodes, it just makes sense there would be someone in charge. I don't think he has to be inept at his job, as the Kraang are not wide spread and for the most part seem pretty good at hiding as most of the world doesn't know about them.

This. It would be cool to see a mutant round up in the city and having them put in a containment facility. Tiger Claw and Razar, same with Rocksteady and bebop are able to avoid the round ups or escape the EPF rounding up the mutants, but Fishface and Stockman do not and the last moment before they are taken away he see the Shredder turning and walking away as though he has lost nothing. Bishop would use DNA Samples of all the mutants including Splinter and the Turtles to create an army of cloned super warriors which he calls slayers. Who have the purpose of hunting down all alien filth and destroying them.

[The Big Bad]

I don't think he has to be inept at his job[...]

Actually, he kinda has to. What, in the end, stopped Kraang Prime? A taser. One with a heck of a lot of electricity behind it, but in the end, still something that can be easily replicated by anyone with enough drive and resources, which are both things 4Kids Bishop had to spare. If the turtles can keep the Kraang on the ropes for this long, then there's no reason why the E.P.F. shouldn't have been able to do the more easily and efficiently. And yet here we are; unless season 3 takes a drastic swerve and shows that the E.P.F. has defeated the Kraang while the turtles were away, there's no way one can really take them as competent enough to be a factor. Bishop and the Earth Protection Force, as originally conceived cannot, fit in this series.

What could have fit? Something smaller. I'm thinking that an E.P.F. more akin to something like Torchwood Cardiff (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torchwood_Institute#Torchwood_Three.2C_Cardiff)--a five-person squad working out of a single basement would have better fit the show. Unfortunately, that's not what we're getting.

[victory_angel]

I can see Bishop being subtlely hinted at until close to the end, so we know he's going to be a gray area villain. He's not a bad man, he has good reasons for doing what he does. But he's not above sacrificing a few innocents particularly if said innocents are mutants because few to no one would miss them. Partularly when considering the big picture of protecting the humanity and the earth itself from inhuman threats.

If a good genes situation was to arise. I think it should be a man made attemt at retromutagen. Unfortunately it only succeeds at causing more mutations which also spreads mutations like a zombie outbreak. I.E. if you are scratched or bitten you mutate.

Donnie is scratched by one, but nothing happens at first leading the Turtles into a false of complacency until Donnie gets sick. However this could occur during the Dark Raph arc, so if they couldn't affort a Turtle getting sick it would be that time.

Again they don't equate it with the scratch Donnie received until he suddenly undergos a transformation. Forcing April, Casey, and the Turtles to turn to Bishop.

And for people who feel that this should be someone other then Donnie. Maybe Leo and Mikey get scratched to just at a later event. But in 2k3 one of Leo's intros he says "If it had been any of them, then they would have immedately looked for Donnie for a cure." So it would make sense for it to be the one person they would look to help fight against the mutation outbreak.

[JTH]

And for people who feel that this should be someone other then Donnie. Maybe Leo and Mikey get scratched to just at a later event. But in 2k3 one of Leo's intros he says "If it had been any of them, then they would have immedately looked for Donnie for a cure." So it would make sense for it to be the one person they would look to help fight against the mutation outbreak.
To me it has to be Donnie, because it's the only way it actually adds stakes to the conflict and fear of being unable to fix the problem.

Donatello gets built up to be smarter and smarter as the TMNT universe has expanded that there is almost be no emotional investment into the story if another turtle is mutated, because you know Donnie will find a way to save the day. Heck it took him 14 episodes to make a cure for the mutagen and realizing April's DNA was actually an essential component to the forumal, in terms of a show, that is preposterously fast and is insanely smart. If it's not Donnie mutated, it's dare I say almost anti-climatic.

When it's Donnie, it opens the mind of the viewer wondering how the others can actually help him because they have zero knowledge of how to help him. In 2K3, the turtles don't turn to the bad guy for help if it's not Donatello; Donnie would save the day and we'd move on.

The one effected is what made the "Good Genes" saga so compelling.

[PangolinFeets]

Lady Bishop.
*hate wait*

[travelingcat]

The Nick writers would axe her pretty quickly.

[victory_angel]

To me it has to be Donnie, because it's the only way it actually adds stakes to the conflict and fear of being unable to fix the problem.

Donatello gets built up to be smarter and smarter as the TMNT universe has expanded that there is almost be no emotional investment into the story if another turtle is mutated, because you know Donnie will find a way to save the day. Heck it took him 14 episodes to make a cure for the mutagen and realizing April's DNA was actually an essential component to the forumal, in terms of a show, that is preposterously fast and is insanely smart. If it's not Donnie mutated, it's dare I say almost anti-climatic.

When it's Donnie, it opens the mind of the viewer wondering how the others can actually help him because they have zero knowledge of how to help him. In 2K3, the turtles don't turn to the bad guy for help if it's not Donatello; Donnie would save the day and we'd move on. The one effected is what made the story so compelling.

The "Good Genes" saga worked so well because of who was affected.

That and in this particular incarnation all the sciencey stuff and technological stuff has gone to Donnie. And everyone has taken his skills for granted, there is very little thanks or appriciation for all he does for the family and the team. Same is said for Mikey about how he comes up with an idea and it's shot down as worthless simply because he's the one who came up with it. Only for it to turn out that was the right course of action.

However while Mikey is the heart of the team, Donnie is the nervice system. You can take out a Leo, Raph, or Mikey and the team would funtion just not as well as they did when they had four. The second part of invasion can attest to that.

But if you take out Donnie, everything tries to function...but eventaully it just falls apart. And that was what was so significant with same as it never was and Good Genes were significant because they essentually depict everything falling apart without Donnie ballencing out the team.

In Good Genes you see that in the behavior of everyone.

Splinter is reeling because this is another potental loss in his life. With the 2012 Splinter this would be even more disheartening as to has said his sons are his family and they are all he has left.

Raph is a time bomb that could go off at any moment and gets more volital as time progresses. He pretty much wants blood, he wants to punch a cure out of Bishop. And if there was no cure he wants to make the person responcible to make a cure in the next five seconds or otherwise they are going to physically feel all the pain and suffering the family is going through.

2012 Raph would be the same. He's the protector of the family so if someone got hurt, he'd want blood. He doesn't care who he has to hit or how many he just knows someone has got to pay for hurting his brother like this.

Mikey was the most heart breaking. Because after they capture and contained Donatello. He is shown kneeling on the floor looking up at this thing that used to be his kind hearted genius older brother with a lost expression.
And then later he's shown treating the whole situation is no worse then Donnie being in bed with a cold.

2012 Mikey would try to stay strong for everyone. He wants to keep up the optimism that yes they will find a cure and everything will be just fine. I can see him sitting with Donnie and telling him memories of when they were kids and stuff in order to help keep Donnie's mind with them. But everyone particularly April and Raph are worried about him because Donnie isn't just his immediate older brother, he's also one of Mikey's buddies. So losing him would have a huge impact on Mikey that the poor little guy may not recover from.

Leo is the more profound. He wants to find a way to cure Donnie, but he is at a loss for what to do because the only person he could turn to about this situation is the situation. And of course as leader and eldest brother he is reluctantly considering what my need to happen if there is no cure or they aren't able to cure Donnie in time. And who should carry it out, and how it would impact the family mercy killing or not.

2012 Leo would be the same. He wants to find the means to restore his brother, maybe kicking himself for all the times he took Donnie for granted. But he's frustrated because Donnie was the only one who would know how to fix the situation. And he'd be worried about what he may have to do if they aren't able to cure Donnie.


April and Casey we don't see much about her. I mean when the tranformation happened she looked pretty concerned. About what happens and they were willing to help the Turtles get the Eye of Tengu. But I'm sure she was downright in tears off screen.

2012 April would be down right destrot about this. She would act as a go between Leo, Mikey, and Splinter while Casey may be there for Raph and April.