If Bishop appears in the nick show, how should he be featured?

*victory_angel* · 09-21-2014, 03:32 AM

So for any one who has seen the finally online last night, you may have have noticed a certain government affiliated group from the 2k3 series.

Spoiler:

We will have to wait until the start of season three at the earliest or New York Comic Con before we have confirmation. But people are already taking a sign that a certain Antihero/villain that everyone loves to hate will make an appearance.

For people who are unfamiliar with Bishops Character. He was originally a US soldier who was abducted by Aliens during the war of 1812 and experimented on. After being returned to earth he vows to protect the earth from all alien threats. All experiments performed on him are largely unknown but his longevity may be a result. As head of the EPF he controls area 51 he captures and runs various experiments on numerous alien species. He also has a black and white view where humans are good and in some cases shades of neutral grey. And anything non-human is bad or should be exploited.

But the question is if he does in fact appear in the nick version. How should he be presented?

I feel that he is someone who is brought in as a double cross from the Shredder to the Kraang. The Shredder knows the rest of the Turtles and their friends are still out there, and as long as they live his vengeance was not complete. So he tells Bishop that the Kraang invasion was caused by a group of Mutant Turtles and they should be captured and dealt with.

The EPH find the Turtle mech and take that away to be studied. They also capture various mutants off screen and lock them away for study or interrogation.

When the Turtles encounter Bishop for the first time Mike refers to him as Anti-Donnie. Because he's smart like Donnie, but his actions are Amoral.

evan2000 · 09-21-2014, 07:40 AM

I'm sure many of you won't buy this idea, but what if:

Not the best speculation here, but it sure does explain a lot.

*Luckyday* · 09-21-2014, 10:03 AM

I don't see it. It's not that it can't work, I just don't have vision for it.

*snake* · 09-21-2014, 10:13 AM

I'd like his apperence to be the same as 2k3.

*MrTMNT2012* · 09-21-2014, 10:16 AM

I want him to be just as badass and to make up for the 2K3 version, have an actual fist fight with Oroku Saki!

*blindturtle02* · 09-21-2014, 11:42 AM

I hope he's very similar to the 2k3 version. I've always loved Bishop because he's seemed like an antiDon to me too. It'd be awesome to see someone test Don's mental metal, and Bishop seems like he'd be perfect for that. Not sure if David Mansley will be able to voice him or not. I'd personally love to hear Lance Henriksen doing it if David couldn't. Henriksen can sound very sinister when he needs to. Always wanted to hear this guy in Turtles. Heck, he's already played a Bishop in the Alien franchise. I think he's got the chops for it.

*Warhorse* · 09-21-2014, 12:20 PM

Do people still want to go with the story that he was originally abducted by aliens and experimented on, explaining why he has super human strength and reflexes? Maybe he knows more about April's past and her mother?

I've seen people on here think Bishop wouldn't fit in with the 2012 show, but the way I see it, I think the creators are going to slowly let the show grow up, kind of like Harry Potter did. It would be perfect to have Bishop debut in the middle of season 3, and have him just as badass and dangerous as he was in the 2k3 show. I definitely see him as wanting to get his hands on Donnie once he finds out that Donnie can create an anti mutagen. Maybe Bishop could have a personal stake in this, perhaps he has a family that was transformed into a mutant, or went missing via alien abductions and he is just trying to find them, and will stop at nothing to do just that. (Maybe his daughter could be Irma and he got a message from her just before she got abducted by Kraang and she tells him to go find April and Casey, maybe he already got to Casey's house and that's why his dad and sister weren't there, they were already taken by the government for questioning)

*shredder orokusaki* · 09-21-2014, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evan2000

I'm sure many of you won't buy this idea, but what if:

http://i.imgur.com/cSIb8j0.jpg

Not the best speculation here, but it sure does explain a lot.

That can not be true becuase if was Bishop then he would had super powers and fight the kraang instead of try to escape from them. At the episode where the kraang attacked him in his home it was the turtles who saved him when he fell from the window he didnt do anything else than running away from the kraang. It can not be Bishop.

*victory_angel* · 09-21-2014, 03:44 PM

Kurtzman says he's been looking into the Kraang for a year, but he has at least ten years worth of information and things on the Kraang in his apartment. So it would make sense that he could be a kraang or an utrom but he doesn't follow the hive mind set that the Kraang do. And if possible he could fill the turtles in on what April's connection to the Kraang is and also the Kraang's interest in turning Earth into another Dimention X.

At this time the Turtles have only known evil aliens. But in the other incarnations the alien characters have either been good, chaotic good (Usagi OT and 2003), good but not very bright (I.E. the Polarazoids in the OT), Chaotic Neutral (Mr. Ogg, Traximus, Zog), Evil (Krang, Kraang), and Chaotic Evil (Dreg, Triceriton empire, Newtralizer)

So maybe season three the Turtles will encounter other races of Alien that are peaceful and good.

Bishop on the other hand doesn't see aliens as good or bad... he just sees things in a human and non-human view. He does make some effort at preventing the involvement of humans at large in defeat of an alien threat, but there are times where he will do actions that could leave a human or a small population dead and brutally injured. But he would just brush it off as unfortunate casualty, but as long as they achieved their goal it doesn't matter.

The big difference between Donnie and Bishop is Donnie does scientific research to further his own knowledge as well as to establish a means of defeating anything that is a threat to his family and humanity in general.

He is also one of the sort who would idealistically dream of the world being able to accept mutants as people.

Bishop on the other hand uses scientific research as a form of torture. Mutants are seen as lesser beings that no one would miss. So maybe mutant round up, or putting Mutants in a concentration camp at best.

Doing invasive studies on mutants until they die at worst.
He is the sort who wants the world to be entirely free of non-humans and aliens.

His fight and efforts against the Shredder were okay in the 2k3 because Shredder was an Alien in that that version. But that won't work in the Nick Show unless they some how reveal to Bishop that Shredder was the only who was behind the Kraang invasion.

But even then Bishop would be more interested in hunting down the Kraang then a human with a grudge. It would only make sense if the Shredder convinced Bishop that the Turtle's were behind it just so he can have the pleasure of watching Splinter's Son's getting hunted down like the animals they are.

*Warhorse* · 09-21-2014, 03:54 PM

Bishop might also lock up anyone he feels is harboring any kind of alien or mutant, and if he finds out that Shredder is trying to protect a cerain mutant, it could piss off Bishop, not to mention pretty much all of Shredder's top henchmen are all mutants. Bishop will be after Shredder just for being a traitor. He might even find and capture Karai to lure him in.

MaximeLoonatic · 09-21-2014, 04:07 PM

A big yes on that!

TerranigmaFreak · 09-21-2014, 04:33 PM

Not a big fan of Bishop in TMNT 2K3, but I don't mind seeing some recognition for TMNT 2K3 and Bishop is perfect.

*Luckyday* · 09-21-2014, 04:35 PM

It would be nice to have more antagonists on the show and a intelligent one at that.

*Cure* · 09-21-2014, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TerranigmaFreak

Not a big fan of Bishop in TMNT 2K3

Me, neither. If he HAS to be in this show, I hope he's completely different.

*victory_angel* · 09-21-2014, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warhorse

Bishop might also lock up anyone he feels is harboring any kind of alien or mutant, and if he finds out that Shredder is trying to protect a cerain mutant, it could piss off Bishop, not to mention pretty much all of Shredder's top henchmen are all mutants. Bishop will be after Shredder just for being a traitor. He might even find and capture Karai to lure him in.

Or Capture Karai to lure Shredder, Splinter, and the Turtles into his clutches.

*Luckyday* · 09-21-2014, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cure

Me, neither. If he HAS to be in this show, I hope he's completely different.

Well what kind of interpretation of him do you want to see?

Cryomancer · 09-21-2014, 05:13 PM

Haven't watched the latest eps so I'm gonna assume the Kraang are still around in some form?

Anyway I would like to see him as something that comes in because of the Kraang activity, doesn't really care about Shredder much but will of course use resources against him if the Foot is in his way. Probably wanting to capture the TMNT as usual, if only for info on the Kraang if nothing else. Wouldn't be surprised if he also wants to get April, or maybe a plot thing will be preventing him from learning about April?

Anyway as long as he gets good episodes like in 2k3 I'm all for this, been wanting him to break the "one version" barrier.

*CyberCubed* · 09-21-2014, 05:32 PM

I hope if he appears its done well.

*BabyTurtles* · 09-21-2014, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evan2000

I'm sure many of you won't buy this idea, but what if:

http://i.imgur.com/cSIb8j0.jpg

Not the best speculation here, but it sure does explain a lot.

.....I feel like they are gonna do this....Nick LOVES changing new characters into old characters after all.

*Shark_Blade* · 09-21-2014, 07:06 PM

I have feeling he won't appear. It's just a one shot reference much like Ace duck.

09-21-2014, 03:32 AM	#1
victory_angel Foot Elite Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Ca Posts: 3,108	If Bishop appears in the nick show, how should he be featured? So for any one who has seen the finally online last night, you may have have noticed a certain government affiliated group from the 2k3 series. Spoiler: The Earth Protection Force We will have to wait until the start of season three at the earliest or New York Comic Con before we have confirmation. But people are already taking a sign that a certain Antihero/villain that everyone loves to hate will make an appearance. For people who are unfamiliar with Bishops Character. He was originally a US soldier who was abducted by Aliens during the war of 1812 and experimented on. After being returned to earth he vows to protect the earth from all alien threats. All experiments performed on him are largely unknown but his longevity may be a result. As head of the EPF he controls area 51 he captures and runs various experiments on numerous alien species. He also has a black and white view where humans are good and in some cases shades of neutral grey. And anything non-human is bad or should be exploited. But the question is if he does in fact appear in the nick version. How should he be presented? I feel that he is someone who is brought in as a double cross from the Shredder to the Kraang. The Shredder knows the rest of the Turtles and their friends are still out there, and as long as they live his vengeance was not complete. So he tells Bishop that the Kraang invasion was caused by a group of Mutant Turtles and they should be captured and dealt with. The EPH find the Turtle mech and take that away to be studied. They also capture various mutants off screen and lock them away for study or interrogation. When the Turtles encounter Bishop for the first time Mike refers to him as Anti-Donnie. Because he's smart like Donnie, but his actions are Amoral. __________________

09-21-2014, 10:16 AM	#5
MrTMNT2012 Mad Scientist Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,512	I want him to be just as badass and to make up for the 2K3 version, have an actual fist fight with Oroku Saki! __________________ Fav Quote - 87 Leo: "TURTLES FIGHT WITH HONOUR!" Fav Series - 2012 Nickelodeon Fav Game - Out of the Shadows Fav Comic - IDW Series Fav Movie - Liebesman's TMNT (2014)

09-21-2014, 11:42 AM	#6
blindturtle02 Foot Elite Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Tx Posts: 2,627	I hope he's very similar to the 2k3 version. I've always loved Bishop because he's seemed like an antiDon to me too. It'd be awesome to see someone test Don's mental metal, and Bishop seems like he'd be perfect for that. Not sure if David Mansley will be able to voice him or not. I'd personally love to hear Lance Henriksen doing it if David couldn't. Henriksen can sound very sinister when he needs to. Always wanted to hear this guy in Turtles. Heck, he's already played a Bishop in the Alien franchise. I think he's got the chops for it. __________________ Please don't remove my nice hat and wack me in the butt with it.

09-21-2014, 03:44 PM	#9
victory_angel Foot Elite Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Ca Posts: 3,108	Kurtzman says he's been looking into the Kraang for a year, but he has at least ten years worth of information and things on the Kraang in his apartment. So it would make sense that he could be a kraang or an utrom but he doesn't follow the hive mind set that the Kraang do. And if possible he could fill the turtles in on what April's connection to the Kraang is and also the Kraang's interest in turning Earth into another Dimention X. At this time the Turtles have only known evil aliens. But in the other incarnations the alien characters have either been good, chaotic good (Usagi OT and 2003), good but not very bright (I.E. the Polarazoids in the OT), Chaotic Neutral (Mr. Ogg, Traximus, Zog), Evil (Krang, Kraang), and Chaotic Evil (Dreg, Triceriton empire, Newtralizer) So maybe season three the Turtles will encounter other races of Alien that are peaceful and good. Bishop on the other hand doesn't see aliens as good or bad... he just sees things in a human and non-human view. He does make some effort at preventing the involvement of humans at large in defeat of an alien threat, but there are times where he will do actions that could leave a human or a small population dead and brutally injured. But he would just brush it off as unfortunate casualty, but as long as they achieved their goal it doesn't matter. The big difference between Donnie and Bishop is Donnie does scientific research to further his own knowledge as well as to establish a means of defeating anything that is a threat to his family and humanity in general. He is also one of the sort who would idealistically dream of the world being able to accept mutants as people. Bishop on the other hand uses scientific research as a form of torture. Mutants are seen as lesser beings that no one would miss. So maybe mutant round up, or putting Mutants in a concentration camp at best. Doing invasive studies on mutants until they die at worst. He is the sort who wants the world to be entirely free of non-humans and aliens. His fight and efforts against the Shredder were okay in the 2k3 because Shredder was an Alien in that that version. But that won't work in the Nick Show unless they some how reveal to Bishop that Shredder was the only who was behind the Kraang invasion. But even then Bishop would be more interested in hunting down the Kraang then a human with a grudge. It would only make sense if the Shredder convinced Bishop that the Turtle's were behind it just so he can have the pleasure of watching Splinter's Son's getting hunted down like the animals they are. __________________

09-21-2014, 04:33 PM	#12
TerranigmaFreak Stone Warrior Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 715	Not a big fan of Bishop in TMNT 2K3, but I don't mind seeing some recognition for TMNT 2K3 and Bishop is perfect. __________________ First footage of the new R rated TMNT movie.

09-21-2014, 07:40 AM	#2
evan2000 Stone Warrior Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Malaysia Posts: 858	I'm sure many of you won't buy this idea, but what if: Not the best speculation here, but it sure does explain a lot.

09-21-2014, 10:13 AM	#4
snake Disgusting Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Outer Heaven Posts: 12,231	I'd like his apperence to be the same as 2k3.

09-21-2014, 12:20 PM	#7
Warhorse Emperor Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 5,544	Do people still want to go with the story that he was originally abducted by aliens and experimented on, explaining why he has super human strength and reflexes? Maybe he knows more about April's past and her mother? I've seen people on here think Bishop wouldn't fit in with the 2012 show, but the way I see it, I think the creators are going to slowly let the show grow up, kind of like Harry Potter did. It would be perfect to have Bishop debut in the middle of season 3, and have him just as badass and dangerous as he was in the 2k3 show. I definitely see him as wanting to get his hands on Donnie once he finds out that Donnie can create an anti mutagen. Maybe Bishop could have a personal stake in this, perhaps he has a family that was transformed into a mutant, or went missing via alien abductions and he is just trying to find them, and will stop at nothing to do just that. (Maybe his daughter could be Irma and he got a message from her just before she got abducted by Kraang and she tells him to go find April and Casey, maybe he already got to Casey's house and that's why his dad and sister weren't there, they were already taken by the government for questioning)

09-21-2014, 03:54 PM	#10
Warhorse Emperor Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 5,544	Bishop might also lock up anyone he feels is harboring any kind of alien or mutant, and if he finds out that Shredder is trying to protect a cerain mutant, it could piss off Bishop, not to mention pretty much all of Shredder's top henchmen are all mutants. Bishop will be after Shredder just for being a traitor. He might even find and capture Karai to lure him in.

09-21-2014, 04:07 PM	#11
MaximeLoonatic Hench Mutant Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 285	A big yes on that!

09-21-2014, 05:13 PM	#17
Cryomancer Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 1,090	Haven't watched the latest eps so I'm gonna assume the Kraang are still around in some form? Anyway I would like to see him as something that comes in because of the Kraang activity, doesn't really care about Shredder much but will of course use resources against him if the Foot is in his way. Probably wanting to capture the TMNT as usual, if only for info on the Kraang if nothing else. Wouldn't be surprised if he also wants to get April, or maybe a plot thing will be preventing him from learning about April? Anyway as long as he gets good episodes like in 2k3 I'm all for this, been wanting him to break the "one version" barrier. __________________ Final Boss of translation group Opentrain. We do videogame comics and TMNT stuff. http://opentrain.theyear199x.org/

09-21-2014, 05:32 PM	#18
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,880	I hope if he appears its done well.

09-21-2014, 07:06 PM	#20
Shark_Blade Emperor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,909	I have feeling he won't appear. It's just a one shot reference much like Ace duck.