Official Ep Discussion: S3 Ep1: "Within the Woods"

[Machias Banshee]

Hey, I actually beat you guys to making the new thread... :P

Okay, so the new season starts Next Friday!

New York City has been decimated, family members have been mutated, mangled and flushed away. For the first time, the turtles are leaving the city into parts unknown, fatherless, leaderless, and utterly defeated.

Leonardo's battle with the foot, Shredder and his minions has destroyed him physically - what will his emotional state be once he awakens and finds out the fate of the city... and Splinter?

Donatello's losing his hold of April, and he's beating himself up for not listening to Leo and getting everyone out of the city when they could. Escaping to the off-the-grid farm in Northampton, he's not going to have the distraction of computers and his laboratory to escape reality. No tools can fix a broken heart...

Raph's rage is building - their home is gone, Leo's injured, Splinter's been thrashed and disposed of by Shredder... how will he control his emotions now?

Mike... will we see him mature and show more of his strength as the 'glue of the family'? Our little prankster may lose some of his bounce while absorbing the gravity of what just happened.

April and Casey... they've both lost their family to the Kraangsformations in the city. How will their relationship deepen in the coming time that they stay out on the farm?


Splinter... where is he? How far away could he have been washed away down in the sewers? Is Karai still there watching over him? Or will he be alone? He's suffered a major loss, losing his home, his daugher, and not knowing the fate of his sons, especially Leonardo. For all he knows, Shredder may have killed him.

Back in 'city at war', Splinter had dealings with the Rat King attacking him and trying to make him turn to his animal side more. Could the ghost of the Rat King make a reappearance?


Hard to believe it's only a week away... hope you guys are patient, Cuz I sure ain't!


Stay Tuned!

[Machias Banshee]

We're open! Poll to come... :D

[snake]

Great episode! I loved the creepy vibes with, well, the creep. Seth sounds really good as Leo.

[drgon78]

Great episode, hope they stay at the farm for at least 7 episodes.

[snake]

Great episode, hope they stay at the farm for at least 7 episodes.

I'm hoping for 13. Return To NY should be the return from a hiatus.

[NinjaPug]

IGN review is up:

http://m.ign.com/articles/2014/10/04/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-within-the-woods-review

8.5/10

[Donatello19]

Decent episode. The beginning with them adjusting to their new home, Leo waking up and all of that sort of stuff was definitely the highlight of it all for me. The rest felt like filler. Although the Creep was cool and really...well, creepy...he felt like another "mutant of the week", and the whole thing about Raph turning into a flower didn't make much sense at all to me. I wish I could say more, but really, not much happened in this episode. I must say that Season 3 looks like it will be a very nice change of pace for this show, I can't wait to see more.

Seth Green as Leo is just awful to me. Definitely the worst voice we've had for Leo so far in this show...oh, how I miss Jason Biggs...

[CyberCubed]

The actual episode was very good and very creepy. Almost felt like a Halloween episode. Random nitpicks:

- Still not sure about Seth Green's Leonardo. In this episode it fit Leo recovering but I don't know how I'll like it as the show progresses

- The annoying Don/April crush is still in the forefront...why?

- Mikey talking in ebonic slang like, "Homie," and "dawg" seriously what is with that? I'd rather Mikey speak in surfer talk than homie talk.

- The creep is still alive...they do the same thing with every single mutant.

[IndigoErth]

:teek: Well that was kinda wild, good spooky one to start off October. Love the Jason sound effect being included.

Voice... gah that's gonna take me a bit to get used to. Sounds so weird... lol Not bad, but just gonna take a bit. Glad they did include a reason for it, good on you, Nick. :)

Interesting that Karai is still reflected in Shredder's mask in the opening, though I guess it goes along with not knowing who's side she's going to be on, if any. And was that a Turtle blimp?

Glad Leo woke up so early in this and didn't stay knocked out for several episodes.

Was it me or did Mikey scream a bit much in the first half... *ear bleed*

[snake]

I loved Seth's voice. Very mature for leo.

[CyberCubed]

Leo went through puberty in the span of one episode. He sounds like a 18 year old now.

[snake]

Leo went through puberty in the span of one episode. He sounds like a 18 year old now.

Shredder damaged his lungs.

[OrangeNinja1987]

I thought it was a really good episode. Creep was awesome. The jokes were perfect. I felt really sorry for Leo and how he has to adjust. The beginning was so reminiscent of the first movie. Seth Green sounds like a great battle-damaged Leonardo.
Only thing that I didn't like - Raphael becoming a flower. What the heck? :teek: Maybe if it was explained in more detail how sucking the mutagen out of him turns him into a flower rather than a normal turtle...Actually, it would have been cool if he turned into a normal turtle instead. The same thing could have been done to save him.

[Warhorse]

I dunno what to think right now. Seth is fine. But I don't like the idea that the thing sucked the mutagen out of Raph and then Donnie stuck it back in him? What? And I'm sorry, but really, why does it seem like the creators actually hate Raphael? He has not had a really good kick ass fighting scene for some time now. WTF????? April for crying out loud had more fight in her. I wish Ciro and company would just fuc$%^&king stop with the trolling with Raph fans. This is bullsh!t!

Unbiased review, I give it an 7.5/10 (I didn't like the whole thing about sucking the mutagen out one of the Turtles, and then Donnie miraculously puts it back in via IV. I don't know why, but this storyline doesn't sit well with me) But, I did like the narration in the beginning and the brotherhood, and the team work was pretty nifty too.

Biased review if you are a Raph fan. 4/10 (at least he still takes his place as the one watching over Leo the most, but, I just didn't like how he was absent for all of the fighting scenes. They should have made it one of the humans missing, that way all four Turtles had to team up to fight back. It's just a little irking now, that not only was Raph absent for most of the fight scenes in the season 2 finale, and season one finale, but for the premier of season 3 as well? I just hope the writers make it up real big for us Raph fans in the end.

[snake]

The Raph stuff didn't really make sense. How did Donnie inject mutagen into him and magically return him to his bodily state?

[Ashwolf]

awesome ep though don't get how raph ended up a plant.... but it sorta did happen like I expected except it came off really odd how raph made those dog whimpering sounds, it was a whole lot funnier when that kraang was whimpering after its cannon got crushed

- Mikey talking in ebonic slang like, "Homie," and "dawg" seriously what is with that? I'd rather Mikey speak in surfer talk than homie talk.


its a nice chance of pace and honestly, the less surfer talk from the show, the better it is

[Warhorse]

Only thing that I didn't like - Raphael becoming a flower. What the heck? :teek: Maybe if it was explained in more detail how sucking the mutagen out of him turns him into a flower rather than a normal turtle...Actually, it would have been cool if he turned into a normal turtle instead. The same thing could have been done to save him.

This. That whole plot line was stupid. But, I guess what is interesting, Raphael is now the only Turtle we have yet to see without his mask on!:P

[Juanita27]

I found it interesting they decided to point out Leo's voice change when they hadn't in the past. I am willing to give Seth a chance, but as of right now I wish they has left in the guy who immediately replaced Biggs (well, I wish they'd just left it Biggs, but what ya gonna do?)

idk about Leo being out for 3 months, I can see 1 week, but not 3 months- wouldn't Leo starve?

It was snowing in the season 2 finale, so shouldn't it be fall/winter and not summer when they get to the farm?

I was hoping they wouldn't continue with the 'Donnie invents somethings-that something goes wrong- now we have a problem to solve/plot for the episode' trend. ah well.

[CyberCubed]

Yeah I just overlook the Raph/plant thing myself, don't let that ruin the episode for you.

Probably would have been better if he just de-mutated back to an ordinary Turtle.

[Gunpowder]

Hm. It'll take me some time to get used to Seth as Leo...but I'm sure I'll get used to it pretty quickly (thought it was clever how they blamed the change of voice on Leo's sickness). Other than that little nitpick, I loved it. Mikey was funny - legitimately funny, not just immature funny - and it was nice to see a change of scenery. I think that's something this show needed; I just hope they don't immediately go back to NYC in the next episode...I'd like to see them hang around this place for a bit first (I didn't expect Leo to heal up that quickly, honestly). I also like how the show's becoming less reserved with the violence. It's oddly satisfying to see the characters being thrown against trees and what not :lol: (and Shredder getting pummeled by Leatherhead in the previous episode, as another example). Much better season premier than "Mutation Situation."

[snake]

This. That whole plot line was stupid. But, I guess what is interesting, Raphael is now the only Turtle we have yet to see without his mask on!:P

I was waiting to see Raph without a mask! They teased us!

[MrTMNT2012]

This is my new favourite Leo Episode!

The whole thing just had an eerie tone that I love and it juxtaposes perfectly with Leonardo's recovery. It's one of those cleverly implemented horror elements integrated with existing TMNT lore that the Nickelodeon Series just has a perfect grasp on.

Great pacing, tightly written and well-focused. Just a fantastic start to Season 3! :D :tgrin:

[IndigoErth]

Personally I kept thinking they would find Raph and whatever that was would turn out not to be him at all. Yeah, that bit was kinda odd. o.O

[Donatello19]

I'm still quite confused about what happened to Raph, exactly. Was he the leafy dog thing, or...?

[snake]

The april/creep chase scene was a great homage to Jason. The Creep slowly trailed after April, yet still got the best of her.

[snake]

I'm still quite confused about what happened to Raph, exactly. Was he the leafy dog thing, or...?

He was the leaf thing. Creep absorbed him and probably mutated him.

[CyberCubed]

I find it odd that Seth Green did not even try to imitate Biggs

[Donatello19]

He was the leaf thing. Creep absorbed him and probably mutated him.

Ok but then how did the Creep make him a plant? How did he take him out of his turtle body? And most importantly, how did Don put him back in the turtle body?

[Ashwolf]

still think it would've been better if raph was literally inside creep and they had to slice creep open in order to get to him but oooo well

[NinjaPug]

I find it odd that Seth Green did not even try to imitate Biggs

They didn't hire him to imitate Biggs.

[snake]

Ok but then how did the Creep make him a plant? How did he take him out of his turtle body? And most importantly, how did Don put him back in the turtle body?

Don extracted the mutagen out of Creep and injected it back into Raph. Creepy probably mutated Raph somehow.

[Warhorse]

I find it odd that Seth Green did not even try to imitate Biggs

Do you still sound like you did when you were 15? Voices do change, especially for males. It's nice to see the show reflect this!:P

[Donatello19]

Don extracted the mutagen out of Creep and injected it back into Raph. Creepy probably mutated Raph somehow.

"injected it back into Raph"...? What do you mean? Did they have Raph's unconscious turtle body? Or did he inject it into the flower/plant?

[pannoni1]

A fine beginning to what appears to be a refreshing change of pace. It begins in a similar matter to Mirage #11 about April and her Diary, yet it gives the creepy vibes that likely scared more than a few kids tonight. I liked that retro cartoon with a 1981 copyright on it which Mike was watching (complete with old-school sound effects), and this proved that you don't need any real enemies with a background and still have a good episode in which that mutagen at night happened to be. It just happened so fast, that after the deer got scared away, it turned into one of those creepfests. That was a great soundtrack backing the action. I just wish Nick hired a better replacement Leo. Overall: 8/10

[snake]

I find it odd that Seth Green did not even try to imitate Biggs

Leo's lungs were damaged and he's becoming more mature. He's going to sound different.

[IndigoErth]

I kinda figured Raph had more inflicted with like a plant-like infection or something, like mossy crap on him rather than him being it. Since he still had a humanoid shape and all.

[snake]

"injected it back into Raph"...? What do you mean? Did they have Raph's unconscious turtle body? Or did he inject it into the flower/plant?

They took the flower and Donnie injected mutagen into it. I guess Donnie touched flower raph, so he (somehow) mutated back into his normal self.


Don't try to make sense of it.

[Warhorse]

still think it would've been better if raph was literally inside creep and they had to slice creep open in order to get to him but oooo well

Ramboraph was right to get a little ticked off after reading the synopsis of the episode. It was even worse than I expected as a Raph fan. I just wish they did with Raph what they did with Mikey and Donnie, just have him tied up unconscious. They made it uneccesarily complex and complicated.

[Donatello19]

Don't try to make sense of it.

Yeah, you're probably right. The more I think about it the more problems I find with it :lol:

[Luckyday]

Don't try to make sense of it.

Get over the conceit, remember?:roll:

[Gunpowder]

Ramboraph was right to get a little ticked off after reading the synopsis of the episode. It was even worse than I expected as a Raph fan. I just wish they did with Raph what they did with Mikey and Donnie, just have him tied up unconscious. They made it uneccesarily complex and complicated.

That bothered me too (and had me confused). But honestly, if they had shown him without his mask, I may have let that slide.

[snake]

Yeah, you're probably right. The more I think about it the more problems I find with it :lol:

I think it comes down to air time. If they had maybe an extra 2 minutes, they could probably show the operation Donnie performed on Raph.

[ObiWanFan4life]

I liked it, I wouldn't call it my favorite episode of the series, but I'd say it was a fun way to start the season off. I like Seth Green as Leonardo. However, I do have a problem, where did Leo get his katanas? Seriously, this isn't even nitpicking, He lost both of when fighting off the Foot Bots, where the hell did he get them?

[IndigoErth]

Cartoon magic. Same place I guess they got the chickens, cable, and the power turned on... all while being a bunch of kids who don't personally own the place and prob won't nor can't pay the bill. lol

[snake]

Cartoon magic. Same place I guess they got the chickens, cable, and the power turned on... all while being a bunch of kids who don't personally own the place and prob won't nor can't pay the bill. lol

They don't have cable. Mikey had the tapes I assumed.

[Luckyday]

This is why I keep saying "get over the conceit".

[IndigoErth]

They don't have cable. Mikey had the tapes I assumed.
Well then that's more cartoon magic, they didn't grab much from home when they left... lol We saw Mikey grab like...frozen pizza and Ice Cream Kitty.

Granted maybe there is a country store that sells old VHS tapes and chickens. There, plot hole partially fixed.

[Warhorse]

They took the flower and Donnie injected mutagen into it. I guess Donnie touched flower raph, so he (somehow) mutated back into his normal self.


Don't try to make sense of it.

Like I said, it was a stupid ass plot line! They should have just had Raph captured, knocked out, tied up, and then Leo has to save him. They made it too weird and complicated for nothing.

[matteso586]

I have to agree with Casey. April does seem a little more tense in this episode. I think one of the reasons she didn't slightly mention could be the fact that she was tricked by a Kraang robot a few months ago.

[snake]

Well then that's more cartoon magic, they didn't grab much from home when they left... lol We saw Mikey grab like...frozen pizza and Ice Cream Kitty.

Granted maybe there is a country store that sells old VHS tapes and chickens. There, plot hole partially fixed.

They found the tapes in the attic. Hole patched.

[Warhorse]

That bothered me too (and had me confused). But honestly, if they had shown him without his mask, I may have let that slide.

Well, at least that's one thing I can say. They save the best Turtle for the last of the un-masking :P. I sure hope it's a damn good Raph episode when that happens!

[snake]

Well, at least that's one thing I can say. They save the best Turtle for the last of the un-masking :P. I sure hope it's a damn good Raph episode when that happens!

Raph hasn't had a good ep in awhile. It's mostly Leo and Donnie who get the best episodes.

[Warhorse]

Cartoon magic. Same place I guess they got the chickens, cable, and the power turned on... all while being a bunch of kids who don't personally own the place and prob won't nor can't pay the bill. lol

Eh, well, maybe they didn't show it, but maybe Raph or April grabbed an extra pair of Katanas, when they were back at the lair, or maybe Casey had some spare weapons at his place when he went to go check it out to see if his sister and father were there, and grabbed them and threw them in the van? As for the other stuff, I'm going to assume, when they stuck Leo in the tub, and Donnie left, well, in the comics, this is when Donnie started to go around the house and farm and fix it up, so maybe he did this off camera.

[Luckyday]

Well, at least that's one thing I can say. They save the best Turtle for the last of the un-masking :P. I sure hope it's a damn good Raph episode when that happens!

Or maybe they're going to get beaten to a pulp again.

I'm starting to see a pattern here.

[Lil Karai]

Definitely going to take me a while to get used to Leo's voice. Looks like we are going to see some interesting and deep character development as he heals.

Loving the change of scenery.

Really liked the homage to the 90's movie with April's narration,
Sketches, diary, and the flip of Raph "keeping a constant vigil over Leo" rather than the reverse from the movie.

[snake]

The place is probably off the charts, so the farm doesn't get bills.

[IndigoErth]

You think any chance Raph will have some kind of mild residual effect after that? o.O I mean, if his mutagen was mixed with that monster and then removed from it...

I find it interesting though that they went with the mutagen being still in you concept like the new movie. I mean, normally they're just affected by it, not still carrying it? This series like the rest...I thought it had only just touched them.

[snake]

You think any chance Raph will have some kind of mild residual effect after that? o.O I mean, if his mutagen was mixed with that monster and then removed from it...

The show usually doesn't bring up stuff like that. Remember when Mikey's shell got loose?

[Jephael]

Awesome episode! I loved everything about it, and Seth Green is a good fit for Leo in my humble opinion.

[IndigoErth]

The show usually doesn't bring up stuff like that. Remember when Mikey's shell got loose?
True enough. Leo's shell is supposedly cracked too, though I didn't personally notice anything, at least not this time around.

Edit: Though I suppose it's 3 months later so that's reasonable enough time for it to have healed. (No mark from it though?)

[snake]

True enough. Leo's shell is supposedly cracked too, though I didn't personally notice anything, at least not this time around.

Edit: Though I suppose it's 3 months later so that's reasonable enough time for it to have healed. (No mark from it though?)

I'd atleast expect a scar.

[Warhorse]

Raph hasn't had a good ep in awhile. It's mostly Leo and Donnie who get the best episodes.

Hmmm. I wonder. I really don't put any stock into ratings, but there have been so many threads that point out that Ciro and many believe Raph and Mikey are the fan favorites, so that is why they are having Leo and Donnie get all of the best episodes and have the most fleshed out character development, but I am wondering, if the lack of Raph and Mikey having great episodes, considering they are believed to be the heavy weight fan favorites, could be the reason the ratings are slipping? People getting tired of the Leo and Don show?

[snake]

Hmmm. I wonder. I really don't put any stock into ratings, but there have been so many threads that point out that Ciro and many believe Raph and Mikey are the fan favorites, so that is why they are having Leo and Donnie get all of the best episodes and have the most fleshed out character development, but I am wondering, if the lack of Raph and Mikey having great episodes, considering they are believed to be the heavy weight fan favorites, could be the reason the ratings are slipping? People getting tired of the Leo and Don show?

I don't think its that. Mikey and Raph get big roles in the episodes, but Leo and Donnie get the focus most of the time. The next episode is Don-centric.

[Warhorse]

Leo's lungs were damaged and he's becoming more mature. He's going to sound different.

I thought it was his throat that was damaged?:ohwell:

[IndigoErth]

>.> Now wait just a turtle pickin' minute...

I could agree they need to beef up their storylines a bit, but I'd rather no one gets sidelined because of it, just bring some up to par.

[Ashwolf]

I thought it was his throat that was damaged?:ohwell:

it was both

[snake]

I thought it was his throat that was damaged?:ohwell:

Damage to the lungs would cause his voice to change more then the throat I assume.

[Warhorse]

You think any chance Raph will have some kind of mild residual effect after that? o.O I mean, if his mutagen was mixed with that monster and then removed from it...

I find it interesting though that they went with the mutagen being still in you concept like the new movie. I mean, normally they're just affected by it, not still carrying it? This series like the rest...I thought it had only just touched them.

Maybe, maybe not. There are just some things in this show that are just thrown in there for the kicks. I still can't believe the Turtles didn't know what pizza was or how to pronounce it when they went up top for the first time. That was just plain dumb, and I'm pretty sure it's something that is going to be pretend that it never existed. People were also expecting something to happen to Raph when Karaisnake spat in his eye, but nothing came of it. Yet.

[JTH]

I thought it was his throat that was damaged?:ohwell:

Which was followed up by "And everything else for that matter."

[Warhorse]

Damage to the lungs would cause his voice to change more then the throat I assume.

No, it doesn't! My father had lung cancer, and his lungs were severely damaged from multiple collapses. His voice never changed. My uncle however, had throat cancer, and his voice did change from the damage done to his vocal chords.

[Jephael]

My father had lung cancer, and his lungs were severely damaged from multiple collapses. His voice never changed. My uncle however, had throat cancer, and his voice did change from the damage done to his vocal chords.

Sorry to hear about that, though it makes sense that any damage to the throat could effect one's voice. Heck every time I have a bad cold, my throat gets all scratchy and I end up sounding like Mickey Mouse on crack.

[victory_angel]

idk about Leo being out for 3 months, I can see 1 week, but not 3 months- wouldn't Leo starve?


Maybe behind the scenes moments where Donnie fashioned and used feeding tube of some sort.

After all while Raph is doing majority of the Leo care, in the art work April has in the journal where Donnie and Mikey are sitting with Raph maybe they have their moments where they look in on or help with Leo.

[Warhorse]

Sorry to hear about that, though it makes sense that any damage to the throat could effect one's voice. Heck every time I have a bad cold, my throat gets all scratchy and I end up sounding like Mickey Mouse on crack.

Thanks. But one could just look at all of the singers in the past whose vocals changed and some were plain out destroyed from screaming or straining too much. I'm waiting for Chester Bennington's voice to finally crap out on him.

[snake]

No, it doesn't! My father had lung cancer, and his lungs were severely damaged from multiple collapses. His voice never changed. My uncle however, had throat cancer, and his voice did change from the damage done to his vocal chords.

Sorry. Thats rough, Warhorse.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

So pretty much, if you're a Raphael fan then the episode is yet again Another Middle Finger to Raphael fans...despite all of the people on this board who kept telling & posting to me in comments to 'just wait, just wait, just wait'...and it's just 'Raph gets turned into a flower'. That's it for him.

Yep. Bravo. I wonder how many episodes it Will take folks on here to realize the bull going on with how they're using/treating certain characters like Raph on this show...and how they will do Nothing with him but crap like this. Nah, he can't be a badass. This week we turn him into a flower and give him nothing else for him to do...congrats.

[Ashwolf]

So pretty much, if you're a Raphael fan then the episode is yet again Another Middle Finger to Raphael fans...despite all of the people on this board who kept telling & posting to me in comments to 'just wait, just wait, just wait'...and it's just 'Raph gets turned into a flower'. That's it for him.

Yep. Bravo. I wonder how many episodes it Will take folks on here to realize the BS going on with how they're using certain characters like Raphael on this show...

hey, it could always be worse, he could've been a plant for several eps

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

hey, it could always be worse, he could've been a plant for several eps

He might as well be. As of lately? He's been about as useful to the show as a plant would be...so why not?

[JTH]

So pretty much, if you're a Raphael fan then the episode is yet again Another Middle Finger to Raphael fans...despite all of the people on this board who kept telling & posting to me in comments to 'just wait, just wait, just wait'...and it's just 'Raph gets turned into a flower'. That's it for him.

Yep. Bravo. I wonder how many episodes it Will take folks on here to realize the BS going on with how they're using certain characters like Raphael on this show...and how they will do Nothing with him but crap like this. Nah, he can't be a badass. This week we turn him into a flower and give him nothing else for him...
Uh huh...so see ya next week. :thumbsup:

[ssjup81]

So still no online version yet?

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Uh huh...so see ya next week. :thumbsup:

Actually, I didn't see the episode. And yeah, I know people will whine about that.

But here's the thing...as a Raphael fan, why should I? When someone I know sees it and says "All Raph does is turn into a flower, and does nothing else. He's absent for most of the episode" and once again showed that he's a Useless character...and No One disagreed with that statement on the boards, then it tells the whole thing for me.

I'm not watching the show until they give Raphael something to actually Do and stop treating him like he's a pointless character who seems completely useless to the team. I'd love for that to happen, I really would.

When someone comes up to me and says 'hey, in this episode they did Raph Justice'...whether by treating him like a badass again or as a worthy character, then I'll give the show a look again.

[IndigoErth]

At least Raph still has the prospects of good future episodes. Imagine if his voice was drastically changed on top of it, and that ain't coming back. :P And this is after not caring for Knoxville being substituted in the movie! I'm 35-years-old and fictional Turtle person voices is gonna give me gray hair... what has my life become. :lol:

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

At least Raph still has the prospects of good future episodes. Imagine if his voice was drastically changed on top of it, and that ain't coming back. :P And this is after not caring for Knoxville being substituted in the movie! I'm 35-years-old and fictional Turtle person voices is gonna give me gray hair... what has my life become. :lol:

I would love for Raph's voice to change. Sean Astin's voice is the only voice that bothers me on the show. And I don't see the 'prospects for good future episodes' that you mention.

If they do one in the future, they'll turn it into Yet Again 'he's angry, he screwed up, he needs to fix the mistakes the he/himself made happen' and once again make him look either like an idiot, a wimp, useless, or as a massive screw-up.

[Mellie]

Chi-chi-chi.. ha ha ha.. :teek:

I didn't really like "Raph is a plant but now he's not, the end!", but everything else was great. I'm already used to Leo's new voice.

They really love messing with Raph huh. He was a Krang, a bird, he swallowed a squirrel, he's terrified of bugs and now he was a flower. Am I missing any?

[OrokuYoshiFilms]

Seriously, how many things are you going to turn Raph into?!? Kinda tired of that. I'm also kind of insulted they just kind of hit the ending with a magic wand or something and now everything's fine. Feel like this should've been a two-parter. I will say this: Love, love, loved the original movie nods, and it seems like the animation gets better and better with this show...

Cracked up at Mikey's "...are you loco?" or something like that...

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

They really love messing with Raph huh. He was a Krang, a bird, he swallowed a squirrel, he's terrified of bugs and now he was a flower. Am I missing any?

Kinda but in different ways...He screwed up and created Slash, broke/hurt Leo's arm, almost got Mikey killed when he was 'the leader', was the first to get bit/poisoned by Fishface...

[Warhorse]

At least Raph still has the prospects of good future episodes. Imagine if his voice was drastically changed on top of it, and that ain't coming back. :P And this is after not caring for Knoxville being substituted in the movie! I'm 35-years-old and fictional Turtle person voices is gonna give me gray hair... what has my life become. :lol:

I'm starting to wonder if Sean Astin is the reason why Raph eps are few and far in between, and even when he is in the episode, he hasn't been saying much. Maybe Sean just isn't available. He's got that one show he's been working on The Strain or something like that, and he's obviously one of the most famous people voicing on the show, if not the most famous one, and with that comes some baggage. Either way, I am feeling Ramboraph's pain. 2k3 may have been super Leo and friends, but at least Raph was still a badass and vital part of the team. I just don't understand how the writing for Raphael has gotten so bad. Season one, for the most of it, he was great. The finale was to be desired, and some of season 2 beginning, but then, Slash And Destroy and The Good, The Bad and Casey Jones came on, and it looked like it was going to start straightening up. But then, so many fillers or eps concentrating purely on Leo and Donnie. At least Mikey is actually growing and maturing. Raph, he hasn't been doing much lately. The Neutralized episode was probably the last one I thought was pretty great for Raph. That's still far and few in between. I'm hanging in there, hoping the Raph episode that is supposed to come that goes into how he got the cracks on his plastron and shell is actually a great one, but lately, it's been the Apritello stuff that keeps me coming back. If they cut that out, and don't bother with showing some Raph badass moments, not being a screw up, I could see myself slowly waning from the show.

[Leofan26]

Pretty good episode, I didn't mind Seth's VA yet, right now he's doing a good job for the way Leo is right now.

While on the subject, yah WTF Was that? They really want to give Raph fans the middle finger here and I'm not even really one and I'm starting to see it :ohwell:

[snake]

So still no online version yet?

Nope. I really want to rewatch it, too.

[IndigoErth]

The Raph stuff then might be a good topic for people to bring up at the NYCC, rather than asking about things they won't want to reveal, like Irma. Maybe instead ask about or voice concerns about the direction/use of characters like Raph.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

The Raph stuff then might be a good topic for people to bring up at the NYCC, rather than asking about things they won't want to reveal, like Irma. Maybe instead ask about or voice concerns about the direction/use of characters like Raph.

It'd be very nice if someone did. But I don't think anyone will. Why? Because it seems like a lot of folks either don't care about it, or they think we're 'crazy and absolutely dead wrong' for thinking that.

[snake]

The Raph stuff then might be a good topic for people to bring up at the NYCC, rather than asking about things they won't want to reveal, like Irma. Maybe instead ask about or voice concerns about the direction/use of characters like Raph.

I'll def ask. How should I word them?

[Warhorse]

I'll def ask. How should I word them?

Um, Raph is part of the TMNT, and we were just wondering, where are you going with his character, because lately, from a fan's POV, there hasn't been much for us to root for. You got some great stuff for the Raph fans to be pumped about in the near future?

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Um, Raph is part of the TMNT, and we were just wondering, where are you going with his character, because lately, from a fan's POV, there hasn't been much for us to root for. You got some great stuff for the Raph fans to be pumped about in the near future?

That or maybe word it kind of like this:

"It seems that, as of late, the Raphael character has been very much pushed into the background. He almost seems non-essential or non-important to the team let alone the storylines, to the point that lately he's just been relegated to things such as 'being turned into a flower' or such.

There seems to be no arcs for the character unlike Leonardo or Donatello, no recent episodes to show him in a strong manner (like what you did for Mikey in the 'Michelangelo surviving on his own in Dimension X' episode), and it seems like the Raphael character not only has no direction, but also no purpose or importance. Even in action sequences as of late, he's been mostly absent and hasn't really Done anything worthwhile.

Is there a certain reason for that? Are there any certain arcs, or directions, or any important uses of the character that we will see for Raphael in the upcoming season or seasons? I ask only because some Raphael fans have been a bit disappointed with the usage & direction of his character as of late."

Or something to that effect.

[Super Goku]

This is still my favorite show airing with new episodes and it is definitely in my top 10 best series ever category in my mind, lol, but Raph could have had a better part in this episode than just being a flower. I would have had him show up and attack Creep and say something like "Just because he's wearing my mask means he's me?"

[Ashwolf]

partly from the season 3 promo image and from this ep, each of them will have a ep where their limits are tested and they ended up being really hurt cause of it(leos was in the finale, raphs was this ep) and the vision quests start afterward

[BabyTurtles]

this episode for me was.....okay?

I thought the creep was pretty alright, though I'm getting a bit tired of all these new mutants and wished they used more humans....or something?

yea Donnie was kinda annoying. Raph was captured and gone for hours and all Donnie thinks about is Casey getting to close to April.....also "my sweet Chinchilla?" I'm trying to decided who was the real creep this episode. (plz no more love triangle stuff anytime soon)

I was cool with Seth Green though :) I'm used to Leo's voice being higher...and do miss Jason....but I think Seth is gonna be fine.

overly goofy Mikey is back...:( already?

[kolaida]

Just saw the episode and I liked the horror vibes. Uh, Raph being a plant puppy thing was a little weird. I guess they figured we'd expect it with Mikey, Donnie has to heal whoever mutates, and Leo is supposed to feel inspired to fight? I mean they really could have used Casey instead, I think. Or no one, I mean the Creep could have been doing that flower stuff.

But I did like the episode overall. Leo's voice is definitely a lot deeper, lol! That's going to take me a few episodes, but I do like it. My favorite part was when Donnie asked Mikey what happens when two teenagers go off alone in the woods and Mikey saw the squirrels. "They get eaten by squirrels!!" LOL!!! :tlol:

[Raph's Girl]

Ok so in the beginning April said that she grew up on that farm. The chickens could have perhaps survived that year they were away? I dunno...it was weird for them to have chickens with no explinations but at least they have some sort of food source.

So Raph becoming a flower kinda reminded me of the myth of Echo and Narsissus...except he didn't fall in love with his reflection... He was transformed by uh...a monster made from Leo's barf. Uck!

Also, what state are they in exactly?? NY or Mass? I saw mountains near the farm!

[Warhorse]

Pretty good episode, I didn't mind Seth's VA yet, right now he's doing a good job for the way Leo is right now.

While on the subject, yah WTF Was that? They really want to give Raph fans the middle finger here and I'm not even really one and I'm starting to see it :ohwell:

Glad to see it's not just us. I don't want any of the Turtles being treated in a bad light. I love them all. I don't understand why the writers would have this kind of venom for a major character in the show. It's so heartbreaking. What did us Raph fans or the character himself do to deserve this kind of treatment?:cry:

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

overly goofy Mikey is back...:( already?

At least he got an episode where he 'survived by himself in Dimension X' which showed his strength. Which is good since I do like Mikey as well. And he actually helped out in the finale (like when calming Raph down). At least Mikey is a useful part of the team, unlike Raph either 'doing nothing' or 'got captured, turned into a plant, once again a liability to the team/useless' endeavor which he is normally saddled with...

Warhorse, I don't think it's venom for the character (although it looks like that). I honestly think the writers just don't realize it, don't think they're doing anything bad to Raph, and I'd bet if you did ask them they'd think you were crazy for thinking that Raph was 'being treated badly' or such. With all anger/kidding aside, I truly do feel they are just totally Ignorant about the whole thing.

[BabyTurtles]

Warhorse, I don't think it's venom for the character (although it looks like that). I honestly think the writers just don't realize it, don't think they're doing anything bad to Raph, and I'd bet if you did ask them they'd think you were crazy for thinking that Raph was 'being treated badly' or such. With all anger/kidding aside, I truly do feel they are just totally Ignorant about the whole thing.

I'd say they were ignorant about other things too.....CoughcanyouendthelovetrianglealreadyCough

[IndigoErth]

Um, Raph is part of the TMNT, and we were just wondering, where are you going with his character, because lately, from a fan's POV, there hasn't been much for us to root for. You got some great stuff for the Raph fans to be pumped about in the near future?
That or maybe word it kind of like this:

"It seems that, as of late, the Raphael character has been very much pushed into the background. He almost seems non-essential or non-important to the team let alone the storylines, to the point that lately he's just been relegated to things such as 'being turned into a flower' or such.

There seems to be no arcs for the character unlike Leonardo or Donatello, no recent episodes to show him in a strong manner (like what you did for Mikey in the 'Michelangelo surviving on his own in Dimension X' episode), and it seems like the Raphael character not only has no direction, but also no purpose or importance. Even in action sequences as of late, he's been mostly absent and hasn't really Done anything worthwhile.

Is there a certain reason for that? Are there any certain arcs, or directions, or any important uses of the character that we will see for Raphael in the upcoming season or seasons? I ask only because some Raphael fans have been a bit disappointed with the usage & direction of his character as of late."

Or something to that effect.
:thumbsup:


The chickens could have perhaps survived that year they were away? I dunno...it was weird for them to have chickens with no explinations
Yeah, was wondering to. Maybe isolated but surely there's some country shop or something within reach. Even if the chickens appeared by magic, they still have to get the chicken feed, and other stuff for themselves, somewhere and it's been off season for growing anything.

[Warhorse]

:thumbsup:



Yeah, was wondering to. Maybe isolated but surely there's some country shop or something within reach. Even if the chickens appeared by magic, they still have to get the chicken feed, and other stuff for themselves, somewhere and it's been off season for growing anything.

Maybe the tribal frogs take care of them?

[Super Goku]

Maybe the tribal frogs take care of them?

Interesting idea. :tsmile:

[Luckyday]

I'd say they were ignorant about other things too.....CoughcanyouendthelovetrianglealreadyCough

http://38.media.tumblr.com/db48b06a8f77c3516c99d61141275a1c/tumblr_n2v7j0jRtS1rzik3go1_250.gif

This ship is slowly turning into a new berserk button of mine. >_>

[TurtleTitan97]

Pretty good episode. Seth Green did a great job as Leo. :tcool:

[Karai Samurai]

I guess I'm still on an "Invasion"-induced high, but this episode was a little weak for me. For a season opener, it felt more than a little filler-y with the Mutant of the Week and all. And Leo's voice...omg. My sister who doesn't watch the show walked passed the tv and said, "eww, why does Leo sound 35?" Seth's voice is way too mature for a teenager. That will definitely take some getting used to.

Other things:

Donnie stop messing with mutagen!
Was it just me or did the background look unfinished?
So both April and Casey love their journals...
How did Donnie cure Raph, again? That whole sequence didn't make sense to me.
The Kraang were taken out of the opener. So Ciro wasn't lying about wrapping up the plot.


Decent episode, but nothing amazing. 7/10.

[Mellie]

How did Donnie cure Raph, again? That whole sequence didn't make sense to me.


Did the old Raph die? Is this a brand new Raph made of mud, flowers and Leo vomit? :teek:

[CyberCubed]

Seth Green. :cry:

[IndigoErth]

I love how all this time it's been don't let the mutagen touch you. Here, Leo, drink this. o.O

How did it not affect him if his barfing still resulted in a evil mutant. He's lucky his stomach contents didn't mutate beforehand... And make like that alien that busts out of someone.

I guess we're also using elements from the new movie now? Now the stuff is in their blood and can save/help them.

[BabyTurtles]

I love how all this time it's been don't let the mutagen touch you. Here, Leo, drink this. o.O

How did it not affect him if his barfing still resulted in a evil mutant. He's lucky his stomach contents didn't mutate beforehand... And make like that alien that busts out of someone.



yea...like why the heck would Donnie even give that to Leo?? How does he know that wouldn't mess Leo up? It's not like he tired it on himself as far as I can tell.

I know it was just a device to make the Creep but...I think they could have done a little better than Leo barfing up a useless(potentially dangerous) mutagen medicine, which mutates the ground.

[PangolinFeets]

"I'm just freaking because April and Casey went off on their own...Alone."

"Why? Because they forgot to bring a 'compass'?"

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e10/PangolinFeets/tmnt_s1e21_by_lilachsigal-d672b0q_zpsee517316.gif

...Am I the only one who heard it that way?

Annnyway, I enjoyed it mostly for all the Friday the 13th and Evil Dead references down to The Creep's overalls having a 'Voorhees' logo on the front. It was fun.

[Wildcat]

Pretty cool episode. So the intro (not the Invasion clips) was one big reference to the first movie right? The farmhouse, the tub, the broken-down truck, the drawings in April's journal.

You guys are right about the mutagen medicine. Doesn't make sense Don could suddenly make it safe in a new thrown together lab.

Its definitely noticeable Leo's voice changed but they said its because he's hurt. I wonder if they plan to have Seth do a more Biggs-style Leo afterwards. I kinda hope not. He sounds cool. People just got used to the first voice because it started that way.

[IndigoErth]

...Am I the only one who heard it that way?
Nope. lol And there's Mikey, all innocent.

Agree on the references and stuff, was pretty cool.

[Electric]

leos voice will take a little, but i think itll be good. this episode he was sounding weak most of the time, so i think once h heals itll be better. we got a slight bit of the range that he'll have, and 10 times more inflection than dom ever had.

episode was decent. raph to plant? ok haha, i get the whole mutagen thing, but did raph have to become a plant.

loved donnies comments in this one

seeing april fight is always cool, and her skills are progressing.

in the opening, 2 things. 1 no kraang. 2 giant ballon thing during the last shot. any ideas?

[IndigoErth]

in the opening, 2 things. 1 no kraang. 2 giant ballon thing during the last shot. any ideas?
Assuming Turtle Blimp. ;) Ohh, missed the Kraang though.

Kinda surprised Karai is still reflected in Shredder's mask.

[ssjup81]

"I'm just freaking because April and Casey went off on their own...Alone."

"Why? Because they forgot to bring a 'compass'?"

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e10/PangolinFeets/tmnt_s1e21_by_lilachsigal-d672b0q_zpsee517316.gif

...Am I the only one who heard it that way?

Annnyway, I enjoyed it mostly for all the Friday the 13th and Evil Dead references down to The Creep's overalls having a 'Voorhees' logo on the front. It was fun.I need to see this in context. lol

That look is one of my all time fav Leo reactions too.

So...online yet? I'll have my speed back tomorrow morn at 6, stateside EST, round about 5:00 pm, Sat.

[Zulithe]

About to watch it...

Season Pass is only $19.99 this time due to the shortened 13 episode season. Worth it for me. :) Hope next season is longer but I don't mind so much as long as the show has a long life.

[Jester]

About to watch it...

Season Pass is only $19.99 this time due to the shortened 13 episode season. Worth it for me. :) Hope next season is longer but I don't mind so much as long as the show has a long life.

Haven't each of the "season passes" only been for half seasons?

[Zulithe]

Haven't each of the "season passes" only been for half seasons?

Yes but if you look at the listing on itunes it says "13 episodes from Season 3" So... I guess we'll see.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/tv-season/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles/id914993249

[Raph's Girl]

Watching the opening sequence again. Yeah that is SOOO totally the Turtle Blimp!! :D

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y72/Dierna/Screen%20Shots%20and%20Promo%20images/TurtleBlimp_zps6f56b6be.jpg

[AT-Man]

How did this episode even get past the censors?? Donnie straight-out said that April and Casey are having sex on a regular basis! Brb, angry calls to make.

[saber16]

yea...like why the heck would Donnie even give that to Leo?? How does he know that wouldn't mess Leo up? It's not like he tired it on himself as far as I can tell.

I know it was just a device to make the Creep but...I think they could have done a little better than Leo barfing up a useless(potentially dangerous) mutagen medicine, which mutates the ground.

You guys are right about the mutagen medicine. Doesn't make sense Don could suddenly make it safe in a new thrown together lab.


Well, this is the same guy who found a way to reverse the mutagen effects and turn the substance into a cure. If there's anyone who knows what their doing when mutagen is involved, it's Donnie.

Assuming Turtle Blimp. ;) Ohh, missed the Kraang though.

Kinda surprised Karai is still reflected in Shredder's mask.

At this point, I'm taking the opening scene changes with a grain of salt. It took Baxter three seasons to make it into the line up, Mutagen Man showing up in the villain montage but way after his only episode as a villain, Spike is still on Raph's shoulder-
It's a bit... inconsistent.

[LeoRaph]

Having heard more of Seth's Leo now, I'm liking what I hear. He already has a bit of range and when he's fully healed I'm sure he'll have even more colour given his acting range. I got a good feeling he'll definitely be better than Biggs... who knows maybe even match or surpass Sinterniklaas.

But yeah, for me it's a good step in the right direction for Leo.

[ssjup81]

How did this episode even get past the censors?? Donnie straight-out said that April and Casey are having sex on a regular basis! Brb, angry calls to make.Aside from the creepiness factor which I'm looking forward to involving the Creep, this has me curious. What exactly did Donnie say?

[Raph's Girl]

Aside from the creepiness factor which I'm looking forward to involving the Creep, this has me curious. What exactly did Donnie say?

Don was freaking out cuz April and Casey went off on their own to search for Raph. He was all like "What happens when 2 teenagers who like each other go out into the woods alone?".... Then the camera panned over to 2 squirrels about to get jiggy with it.

[saber16]

Aside from the creepiness factor which I'm looking forward to involving the Creep, this has me curious. What exactly did Donnie say?

Lol- if people want to think that's what their doing in the woods... fine, but really- Donnie implies their making out.... because up till now, he's always made a big deal out of April kissing him or Casey. A kiss or two will send him around the world, while his biggest fear is a swarm of April's kissing Casey's face.

[ssjup81]

Don was freaking out cuz April and Casey went off on their own to search for Raph. He was all like "What happens when 2 teenagers who like each other go out into the woods alone?".... Then the camera panned over to 2 squirrels about to get jiggy with it.If you wouldn't have mentioned the squirrels, my answer to this would've been, "get killed". Man, and I thought the sub thing was suggestive. lol

[IndigoErth]

Well, this is the same guy who found a way to reverse the mutagen effects and turn the substance into a cure.
Didn't he supposedly use up the last canister of mutagen he had? In the process of trying to make the retro version. Or am I wrong.

And yeah, the woods... kind of figured he's suggesting them making out, nothing more. o.O Esp considering she hasn't exactly kissed anyone on the lips yet as it is.


Also, the Turtle Blimp... once again I will be wondering where on earth they will be keeping that thing. lol Maybe they'll go back to NYC via it though. ;)

[MartiusR]

Well, I'm kinda surprised - and not in good way. In my opinion it was quite boring episode - and I really would like to be wrong at this point, but I'm afraid, that I'll have quite similar expression in case of other "farm-episodes". Not to mention that I've found couple of illogical or strange (im comparision to previous episodes) things - for example breaking the trend to show any changes caused/connected with mutagen as hard to reverse (bringing back Raphael to his previous state was surprisingly...fast). However, I kinda liked the idea of throat injure as cause of changed voice. But generally I've got negative impresson. I have hope, that course of the action will be brought back to NY quite quick, reading the description of next two episodes (also "farm/forest episodes") doesn't make me too optimistic.

[DVD]

Yay! TMNT meets Friday the 13th. Loved the Jason monster, using the sack cloth and the hockey mask. My kind of monster.
I liked the episode as a whole, but felt it was very rushed. Getting Leo back to health (agree that the throat thing is a good gimmick) so quickly, and the whole resolution of Raph even quicker. It felt that it should have been a two parter, or two separate stories. All that said, I still enjoyed it. I'll probably watch it again later tonight.

[Midnight Mutant]

How did this episode even get past the censors?? Donnie straight-out said that April and Casey are having sex on a regular basis! Brb, angry calls to make.

Are you sh*tting me? REALLY? You got SEX out of that line? Stop getting mad over stupid reasons that are probably in your head.
Donnie was implying that they will be kissing or making out. The squirrels were leaning in for a smooch when Mikey shined the the light on them.

It's not like they were in doggy style or on top of each other or something. Just because your imagination took it farther than it was meant to, doesn't mean that's what Donnie was implying.

Also that line was him being worried about how Casey and April COULD be kissing or making out given this opportunity to be alone, there was not any part of it that sounded like he thought they were doing it all the time.

I mean, it's been shown a million times that he is bothered when April hugs or kisses Casey, I doubt sex is even on his mind. Besides, I'd like to think Donnie has a smidge bit more respect for April than to think she would sleep with Casey.

I'd like to think the fans would have a smidge bit more respect for Donnie than to think he'd think that way of her.

[Midnight Mutant]

Alright, so first I'll address Seth. I think he did a great job. There were times he went in a higher octave and it worked and other times it sounded off. Like, I heard Leo, then Seth, then Leo, then Seth. It might be me adjusting tho. His battle sounds were wonderful, and for being thrown into the character being injured without voice bonding through the battle, he did a great job making Leo sound like he's been through hell.

Alright, I loved the humor, I loved the halloweenesque horror feel. I'm happy it wasn't tied to a Mikey episode. I didn't mind the Capril/Apritello thing, mostly because I liked how April was like 'wtf do you want from me? All this shiz is happening and I don't have time for yours or Donnie's crush' xD BAM! Short lived tho.

However the plot was a mess. I was left kind of disappointed with it because there were so many other things that could have been better.

Idea #1:

"Oh no! The Creep has eaten raph/digested him to absorb his strength/mutagen/memories/humanoid properties! He wants to absorb all life forms to become more human because he has identity issues (hence covering face) Oh look we got him, lets get him back and get Raph out of the Creep’s body! Oh Raph’s fine but weak! YAY’

Fanbase; Oh no Raph! But that sure makes sense how the Creep may have gotten so strong, since Raph is the strongest!

Idea #2:

"Oh no! The creep is kidnapping people and infecting them into plant dog things to build a family or army or something! Like how the Kraang want to Kraangatize everything, the Creep wants to Creepatize everything so he’s not the only fug nasty thing anymore! Oh look we got him, let’s cure Raph and he will loose all the mossy, plant, grossness from his still normal turtle body it was covering! YAY!"

Fanbase: Oh no Raph! But that makes sense why Raph is a dog plant thing! It’s like a Jason/Zombie like plot line cool!

What we got:

"Oh no! The creep has turned Raph into a plant dog monster for some reason and is absorbing him and now Raph is a plant! Oh look we got him, let’s take him back and reverse the effects by taking the mutagen out of the creep and injecting it back into plant Raph and that will put him back into a turtle body but get rid of the Creep’s body some how and Raph won’t be altered in the least even tho his mutagen was mixed with the Creeps and his body COMPLETELY VANISHED INTO A FLOWER, but now it’s fine because…mutagen?!?!? Yay?"

Fanbase: Wait…wtf just happened?
Seriously.

I think if the plot had been better, it would have been a fantastic episode instead of just an OK one. The build up was great, acting was great, animation was great, but the plot fell flat.

[Gorilla Grodd]

I like Seth Green in other things and I think he'll do an okay job as Leo, but right now I don't quite see the point in hiring him. The temporary replacement after Biggs did a fine job and I felt should have just been kept on permanently. Plus I have to imagine they could have saved a little bit of money going that route. I doubt there are very many people going, "Oh Seth Green is voicing a Ninja Turtle I should start watching the show now." So I don't think the extra money spent is really going to translate into a better product. It was a nice touch acknowledging the change of voice though, I wasn't expecting that.

I grew up watching the Friday the 13th movies so this episode was a great love letter to that series which I enjoyed quite a bit. I've noticed alot of nitpicking over minor things like the farm having chickens and electricity, but that stuff is so easily explainable in a ton of boring ways that I don't mind at all that they didn't spend time on it. The logic behind Donnie creating the serum for Leo is pretty flimsy and the science of the Raph transformations was pretty weird. But this is a world with completely illogical physics and alien technology. You're doing yourself a disservice by really focusing too much on those kinds of things.

At the risk of getting a sai in the neck from rabid Raphael fans, the complaints about Raph getting shafted seem like a little bit of an overreaction to me. After two seasons I've never felt like Raph was singled out for neglection. Sure he hasn't received a ton of focus in the more recent episodes but that's just the way things go sometimes. When i think back on season 1 it felt like he got just as much if not more focus than anyone else, so I don't mind at all that season 2 spent a little more time on other characters. Personally I feel like he's gotten so much of the spotlight throughout the history of the Turtles that it's kind of refreshing seeing other turtles getting more of an equal push. I read a lot of these posts and think, "Yeah, now you know what it's been like for fans of Donnie/Mikey over the years." :P

I guess if I was to complain about something in the episode it's that with the move to North Hampton I was hoping to see Nick's spin on The River. Which I suppose is what this episode was, just in a very different form and I think it insures that we won't be seeing a more faithful adaptation of that story. Unless they change which turtle gets leeched by Bloodsucker. I just don't think the Raph fans could handle seeing him get reduced to a weakling twice.

I really hope they stay at the farm for a solid stretch of episodes since it's one of my favorite points of the Mirage stuff. I liked the idea someone posted earlier in the thread about having Return to New York come after the mid-season break.

[Mona_Lisa]

So pretty much, if you're a Raphael fan then the episode is yet again Another Middle Finger to Raphael fans...despite all of the people on this board who kept telling & posting to me in comments to 'just wait, just wait, just wait'...and it's just 'Raph gets turned into a flower'. That's it for him.

Yep. Bravo. I wonder how many episodes it Will take folks on here to realize the bull going on with how they're using/treating certain characters like Raph on this show...and how they will do Nothing with him but crap like this. Nah, he can't be a badass. This week we turn him into a flower and give him nothing else for him to do...congrats.

Actually, I didn't see the episode. And yeah, I know people will whine about that.

But here's the thing...as a Raphael fan, why should I? When someone I know sees it and says "All Raph does is turn into a flower, and does nothing else. He's absent for most of the episode" and once again showed that he's a Useless character...and No One disagreed with that statement on the boards, then it tells the whole thing for me.

I'm not watching the show until they give Raphael something to actually Do and stop treating him like he's a pointless character who seems completely useless to the team. I'd love for that to happen, I really would.

When someone comes up to me and says 'hey, in this episode they did Raph Justice'...whether by treating him like a badass again or as a worthy character, then I'll give the show a look again.

I dunno what to think right now. Seth is fine. But I don't like the idea that the thing sucked the mutagen out of Raph and then Donnie stuck it back in him? What? And I'm sorry, but really, why does it seem like the creators actually hate Raphael? He has not had a really good kick ass fighting scene for some time now. WTF????? April for crying out loud had more fight in her. I wish Ciro and company would just fuc$%^&king stop with the trolling with Raph fans. This is bullsh!t!

Unbiased review, I give it an 7.5/10 (I didn't like the whole thing about sucking the mutagen out one of the Turtles, and then Donnie miraculously puts it back in via IV. I don't know why, but this storyline doesn't sit well with me) But, I did like the narration in the beginning and the brotherhood, and the team work was pretty nifty too.

Biased review if you are a Raph fan. 4/10 (at least he still takes his place as the one watching over Leo the most, but, I just didn't like how he was absent for all of the fighting scenes. They should have made it one of the humans missing, that way all four Turtles had to team up to fight back. It's just a little irking now, that not only was Raph absent for most of the fight scenes in the season 2 finale, and season one finale, but for the premier of season 3 as well? I just hope the writers make it up real big for us Raph fans in the end.

yeah, I think I will skip this one. Screw nick. There is to many good Raph ep's in other versions of the turtles to put up with this. I'm not going to pay to see Raph mutated into something else. only way I'm watching is if its free... And it looks like nick ain't going to let that happen:x

[Warhorse]

I love how all this time it's been don't let the mutagen touch you. Here, Leo, drink this. o.O

How did it not affect him if his barfing still resulted in a evil mutant. He's lucky his stomach contents didn't mutate beforehand... And make like that alien that busts out of someone.

I guess we're also using elements from the new movie now? Now the stuff is in their blood and can save/help them.

You know what, after thinking things through, I'm hoping the whole thing dealing with the Creep is just Leo dreaming or still trying to wake up from his coma and it was all in his head, all because of the Raph stuff, and Donnie screwing around with the mutagen. Why would he bring that stuff with him to begin with? That whole thing is just stupid. About as stupid as the Pizzaface ep.

Alright, so first I'll address Seth. I think he did a great job. There were times he went in a higher octave and it worked and other times it sounded off. Like, I heard Leo, then Seth, then Leo, then Seth. It might be me adjusting tho. His battle sounds were wonderful, and for being thrown into the character being injured without voice bonding through the battle, he did a great job making Leo sound like he's been through hell.

Alright, I loved the humor, I loved the halloweenesque horror feel. I'm happy it wasn't tied to a Mikey episode. I didn't mind the Capril/Apritello thing, mostly because I liked how April was like 'wtf do you want from me? All this shiz is happening and I don't have time for yours or Donnie's crush' xD BAM! Short lived tho.

However the plot was a mess. I was left kind of disappointed with it because there were so many other things that could have been better.

Idea #1:

"Oh no! The Creep has eaten raph/digested him to absorb his strength/mutagen/memories/humanoid properties! He wants to absorb all life forms to become more human because he has identity issues (hence covering face) Oh look we got him, lets get him back and get Raph out of the Creep’s body! Oh Raph’s fine but weak! YAY’

Fanbase; Oh no Raph! But that sure makes sense how the Creep may have gotten so strong, since Raph is the strongest!

Idea #2:

"Oh no! The creep is kidnapping people and infecting them into plant dog things to build a family or army or something! Like how the Kraang want to Kraangatize everything, the Creep wants to Creepatize everything so he’s not the only fug nasty thing anymore! Oh look we got him, let’s cure Raph and he will loose all the mossy, plant, grossness from his still normal turtle body it was covering! YAY!"

Fanbase: Oh no Raph! But that makes sense why Raph is a dog plant thing! It’s like a Jason/Zombie like plot line cool!

What we got:

"Oh no! The creep has turned Raph into a plant dog monster for some reason and is absorbing him and now Raph is a plant! Oh look we got him, let’s take him back and reverse the effects by taking the mutagen out of the creep and injecting it back into plant Raph and that will put him back into a turtle body but get rid of the Creep’s body some how and Raph won’t be altered in the least even tho his mutagen was mixed with the Creeps and his body COMPLETELY VANISHED INTO A FLOWER, but now it’s fine because…mutagen?!?!? Yay?"

Fanbase: Wait…wtf just happened?
Seriously.

I think if the plot had been better, it would have been a fantastic episode instead of just an OK one. The build up was great, acting was great, animation was great, but the plot fell flat.

I don't know why they just couldn't have kept it simple. Creep came to be, made sounds that lured Raph into the woods, Creep knocks Raph out and takes him back to the that shed. The others notice Raph goes missing, they go look for him, Donnie and Mikey get captured, and then April and Casey, and this is when they see Raph, still knocked out, tied up by vines and hanging from the ceiling. Leo comes in, destroys the creep, and regains some of his confidence back. The end. Someone needs to let the writers know, less is more!

And personally, I think they had missed a great opportunity here to emulate more from Mirage. It would have been so fantastic, if Leo was with Raph while he was chopping wood, when they see the deer, and Leo decides to try and catch it, and the deer out manuevers Leo and ends up knocking him out, and then either him waking up to save the gang brings back his internal strength, or, he dreamed the whole thing involving the Creep and wakes up back at the farm, which gets him more depressed because he just realized he got out witted by a deer.

[MrTMNT2012]

Rewatching it, this might actually be one of my all-time favourite episodes! I can't even think of a single dull moment. The humour was on-point, the action was intense, The Creep was actually a pretty cool villain and I LOVED how they handled Leo's recovery and that parallel with Raph.

This was even better than 'The Invasion' IMO. Usually when I'm rewatching that, I just skip to the Splinter Vs. Shredder Fight or the Leo one-shot scenes but with this, I was fully engaged from beginning to end! :D

Only problem is how quick they resolved the ending but other than that, it was perfect.

[blue_angel99]

Having heard more of Seth's Leo now, I'm liking what I hear...who knows maybe even match or surpass Sinterniklaas.

That is almost.... blasphemous!

I shouldn't have watched this right before bed. The Creep is rightly named. At first I thought the mutagen brought some dead farmer back to life cause of the overalls.

[JTH]

I loved all the little details they gave to tribute the first movie while still being it's own episode.

Everything from April's narration to Mikey humming "Old McDonald". I was going crazy with fan wank! :lol:

[Warhorse]

At the risk of getting a sai in the neck from rabid Raphael fans, the complaints about Raph getting shafted seem like a little bit of an overreaction to me. After two seasons I've never felt like Raph was singled out for neglection. Sure he hasn't received a ton of focus in the more recent episodes but that's just the way things go sometimes. When i think back on season 1 it felt like he got just as much if not more focus than anyone else, so I don't mind at all that season 2 spent a little more time on other characters. Personally I feel like he's gotten so much of the spotlight throughout the history of the Turtles that it's kind of refreshing seeing other turtles getting more of an equal push. I read a lot of these posts and think, "Yeah, now you know what it's been like for fans of Donnie/Mikey over the years." :P

I guess if I was to complain about something in the episode it's that with the move to North Hampton I was hoping to see Nick's spin on The River. Which I suppose is what this episode was, just in a very different form and I think it insures that we won't be seeing a more faithful adaptation of that story. Unless they change which turtle gets leeched by Bloodsucker. I just don't think the Raph fans could handle seeing him get reduced to a weakling twice.
.

Problem with your logic, is that it is 100% false. It is very much a fact that Raphael has gotten the shaft in pretty much every single thing to do with TMNT, either be it the 80's toon, 2k3, comics and when it came to most of the movies, he shared the spot light with either of the other brothers. 1990 might be the only one he shined, but the SOTO-Donnie, TMNT 3-Mikey, TMNT 4-Leo, TMNT crap-Mikey.

I even decided to actually do some math to back up Raph claims, and really, it's so sad that nobody can't rebut my claims either, probably because they are true. Raphael very well may the fan favorite, but except for the first movie and 2007, he pretty much never really got to shine, and if he did, it was rare.

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?p=1355175#post1355175

[Warhorse]

yeah, I think I will skip this one. Screw nick. There is to many good Raph ep's in other versions of the turtles to put up with this. I'm not going to pay to see Raph mutated into something else. only way I'm watching is if its free... And it looks like nick ain't going to let that happen:x

Yep. Right now, when it comes to Raph episodes and how they deal with the character, 2k3 is number one, and the 80's show is number two. The nick show is so way down the list. Right now, the creators claim they don't want to use Raph so much because they believe he's the heavy weight fan favorite. Well, maybe they are right, and this is why the Turtles have been slipping so hard in the ratings. The people who make up the ratings are just tired of watching Raph get sidelined so bad.

That is almost.... blasphemous!

.

Almost. Right now, it is. Seth is OK, but the standings for Leo's voice right now in my opinion.

1-Michael Sinterniklaas (Can't believe Nick never brought him on board to voice Leo, he's got NIK right in his name!)

2-Brian Tochi

3-Cam Clarke

4-Jason Biggs

5-James Arnold Taylor

6-Seth Green

7-Dominic Catrambone

8-Johnny Knoxville.

[Vicky82]

Got to watch this episode when I woke up, without looking at spoilers (even though I did see the preview before) But wow, what a great, creepy episode.

Loved the homage to the first movie when they are at the farmhouse, putting Leo in the Bathtub and Raph watching him (even though it was the other way round in the movie), Donnie and Casey in the barn and April's voice over and her journel.

The episode also had references to some horror movies, one being Friday the 13th.

I like Leo's new voice, it will get some used to but I think Seth Green has nailed it. Loved that, it was acknowledge that his voice changed due to injury to his throat/lungs.

Loved how carefully they put Leo in the Bathtub, Raph was so gentle moving Leo's head.
I noticed that Mikey was looking so worried and unsure what to do.
Mikey looks so cute wearing his straw hat and he was humming 'Old Mcdonald had a Farm'
I guess Mikey was doing a lot of chores to keep his mind off things.
I like the little drawing April did in her journel of the 3 turtles watching over Leo, so cute
New show called Crognard the Barbarian, parody's Thundarr the Barbarian. I wonder if it's going to parallels Mikey this season.
Loved Mikey hugging Leo when he woke up and helping him ot of the bath.
Loved that Raph helping Leo get strong again.
Aww poor Leo still hurting.
Mikey still afraid of Squirrels.
Casey and April alone togther in the woods and then Casey howls like a warewolf. I wonder if that was a reference to Michael Jackson's Thriller.
Mikey grabbing Donnie and covering his mouth.
Loved the Jason (from Friday the 13th) sound effects.
Creep with the sack on his head reference to Friday the 13th part 2 as Jason had a sack on his head before the mask.
Raph got turned into a plant dog.
Leo trying to train again again but struggeling.
The vines grabbing April and pulling her back into the woods (was that a reference to Evil dead)
Ouch! Casey kicked April in the head to wake her up!
Wow, Mikey got pissed when creep absorbed Raph.
Leo's such a badass, he's using whats left of his strengh to fight creep.
Was cringing when he was getting tossed like a rag doll, thought he was going to get hurt again.
Teasing us on seeing Raph maskless.
The whole changing Raph back was a bit confusing.
Aww Leo never left Raph side.

[Warhorse]

Got to watch this episode when I woke up, without looking at spoilers (even though I did see the preview before) But wow, what a great, creepy episode.

Loved the homage to the first movie when they are at the farmhouse, putting Leo in the Bathtub and Raph watching him (even though it was the other way round in the movie), Donnie and Casey in the barn. Mikey's straw hat and April's voice over and her journel.

The episode also had references to some horror movies, one being Friday the 13th.

I like Leo's new voice, it will get some used to but I think Seth Green has nailed it. Loved that, it was acknowledge that his voice changed due to injury to his throat/lungs.

Loved how carefully they put Leo in the Bathtub, Raph was so gentle moving Leo's head.
I noticed that Mikey was looking so worried and unsure what to do.
Mikey looks so cute wearing his straw hat and he was humming 'Old Mcdonald had a Farm'
I guess Mikey was doing a lot of chores to keep his mind off things.
I like the little drawing April did in her journel of the 3 turtles watching over Leo, so cute
New show called Crognard the Barbarian, parody's Thundarr the Barbarian. I wonder if it's going to parallels Mikey this season.
Loved Mikey hugging Leo when he woke up and helping him ot of the bath.
Loved that Raph helping Leo get strong again.
Aww poor Leo still hurting.
Mikey still afraid of Squirrels.
Mikey grabbing Donnie and covering his mouth.
Loved the Jason (from Friday the 13th) sound effects.
Creep with the sack on his head reference to Friday the 13th part 2 as Jason had a sack on his head before the mask.
Raph got turned into a plant dog.
Leo trying to train again again but struggeling.
The vines grabbing April and pulling her back into the woods (was that a reference to Evil dead)
Ouch! Casey kicked April in the head to wake her up!
Wow, Mikey got pissed when creep absorbed Raph.
Leo's such a badass, he's using whats left of his strengh to fight creep.
Was cringing when he was getting tossed like a rag doll, thought he was going to get hurt again.
Teasing us on seeing Raph maskless.
The whole changing Raph back was a bit confusing.
Aww Leo never left Raph side.

The whole Mikey wearing the straw hat and humming Old McDonald, didn't Donnie do that in the movie?

[Vicky82]

The whole Mikey wearing the straw hat and humming Old McDonald, didn't Donnie do that in the movie?

Oh yeah maybe, but didn't that scene get cut out.

[Warhorse]

Oh yeah maybe, but didn't it cut out.


Yeah, I believe this got cut out
http://thumbs2.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mERepcs48c6l74sBJMgtTfw.jpg

But the part where Donnie is humming is still in the movie.

I wonder if Casey might make a reference later on how April's place is "the place that time forgot".

[hypnock]

I know it's suppose to be Leo episode, but what's the point of doing this to Ralph.
If they want to change Raphael into something else, why don't do something like, he becomes something helpless but he still fights and turns back on his own, instead of being useless for the whole episode.
Like the river arc in Mirage comics. But there won't be something like that because they already use 'suck mutagen out' plot.
Aside from that, it's a good episode.

Also love how logs magically appeared before Ralph got captured. :trazz:

[Gorilla Grodd]

Problem with your logic, is that it is 100% false. It is very much a fact that Raphael has gotten the shaft in pretty much every single thing to do with TMNT, either be it the 80's toon, 2k3, comics and most of the movies, he shared the spot light with either of the other brothers.

I even decided to actually do some math to back up Raph claims, and really, it's so sad that nobody can't rebut my claims either, probably because they are true. Raphael very well may the fan favorite, but except for the first movie and 2007, he pretty much never really got to shine, and if he did, it was rare.

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?p=1355175#post1355175

I'm sorry but you can't promote this as some kind of actual "math" you've worked out as definitive proof of your claim. It's just random numbers you pulled out of the air and plugged into your confirmation bias equation. The lack of people responding to it doesn't mean it's some bullet proof argument you've cooked up. It just means no one has been bored enough to reply until now. :)

Comics: Raph gets way more of a push over the other turtles. Raph was even chosen for most of the solo guest appearances the majority of the time. Which is one of the things in addition to the bad ass loner berserker stuff that makes the frequent Wolverine comparison so appropriate. Since for those that don't read Marvel comics there was a period where Wolverine was guest starring in everything because he was the most popular and overexposed X-Man. To the unbiased eye that is Raphael just on a bit of a smaller scale.

Movies: The only movie where Raph isn't the most prominent with extra screen time is TMNT 3. He's always knee deep in the plot pushing important aspects of it along while getting plenty of time to be the solo bad ass that takes on dozens of enemies by his lonesome. It seems really silly to me for anyone to suggest that he hasn't gotten the most push on the big screen.

Fred Wolf: It's a wash since there is such a large amount of content every character gets a solid amount of focus. You really have to split hairs to say who got more of a push since it's all pretty even.

Next Mutation: No idea. I watched it back when it aired just because it was something to watch but I remember very little about it. If you actually care about this then I don't know what to say. I've long since blocked it from my mind.

4Kids: Super Leo Show. But the rest of the focus was split fairly evenly between the remaining three.

Nick: Leo gets a lot of push and Donnie has a lot of spotlight due to the April stuff. But Raph has had plenty of focus, particularly in season one. If there's a case to be made for a character being shafted in this show it's Mikey, not Raph. Even still in Mikey's case, that's just a necessary consequence of producing a decent TV show. Good story telling and an interesting plot is the #1 focus. Not "well we have to make sure that exactly 25% of the screen time is allotted to each turtle. Scratch that, make it 30% for Raph since his fans are even angrier than him." :P

In terms of focus he's been #1, #2, or dead even with the other characters in almost everything. So now it's suddenly sacrilege that he's maybe #3 after just two seasons? Sorry but it seems a little premature to yell the red sky is falling just because the former top turtle has to take a little bit of a temporary backseat.

[snake]

I know it's suppose to be Leo episode, but what's the point of doing this to Ralph.
If they want to change Raphael into something else, why don't do something like, he becomes something helpless but he still fights and turns back on his own, instead of being useless for the whole episode.
Like the river arc in Mirage comics. But there won't be something like that because they already use 'suck mutagen out' plot.
Aside from that, it's a good episode.

Also love how logs magically appeared before Ralph got captured. :trazz:

I'd love to see The River adapted into the show. Bloodsucker might get an action figure.

[BubblyShell22]

Wow. That episode was awesome! It was nice to see Raph keeping watch over Leo like that and wanting to get him back on his feet. I loved how they explained his new voice, too. Speaking of which, I really thought Seth Green did an amazing job with Leo's voice, and I'm looking forward to more. I really feel he should have been doing it from the beginning, but it'll be nice to see where he can take the character. The Creep was definitely scary, and as many predicted, he did absorb Raph into him. It was lucky they were able to save him, and I liked how Leo stayed by Raph's side while he healed, which was so cool. Loved the narration at the beginning and Mikey's antics as always. Ah, Donnie is still jealous, but it was funny to see him be so protective of April like that. It was smart of Don to rig up an IV system to help Raph. I just hope that mutagen medicine doesn't do anything to Leo or have any side effects Don's not aware of. Overall, a pretty decent episode. Can't wait for the next one.

[RandomtasticFantasy]

It was a decent episode:

+Leo. It will be interesting seeing him recovering from his injuries. I also liked how and why they explained away his new VA by Seth Green. Also, while different and taking time to get used to, I don't mind his voice too much.

+The Creep and the Jason references were freaking fantastic. I adored him chasing April, such awesome homage.

+Casey kicking April awake. I laughed harder than I should have. I know they were tied up and all but...really?!

+April beginning to call Casey out before getting cased by the Creep and Leo glaring at Donny before insisting their searching orders go as is. Also Mikey (while not on purpose) not getting Donny's frustration to the point where he thankfully stopped talking about it.

-I found exactly 'why' I'm not a fan of the love triangle. It started back in the season 2 finale and comes back to the (+) above. Casey and Donny are annoying about it. To the point that when something more important is going on, they are still hung up over their 'love' for April. The writing is what makes the love triangle not work for me. If it weren't constantly shoved into the story, even when it isn't necessary or becomes a defining characteristic for one or more characters...it gets old. Fast.

-The whole odd thing with Raph and turning him back from a dead? plant creature...thing. The less thought about it, the better I suppose.

[Xiewin]

I admit, the Raphael's treatment in this show is starting to bother me as well.

But I enjoyed the Leo and Donnie episodes, so it's not too much a problem for me.

[Ninturtle]

Sorry, but you are wrong. If you can't see that Raphael has been shunned so much, you're blind. Others are finally starting to see it. Why can't you? Comics was mostly Leo and Don. 80's was mostly Mikey and Don, 2k3 Leo and Mikey, and now 2012 Donnie and Leo. I'm not going to waste my time with movie scenarios because it's already been said before how they were not focused on Raph except for 1990 and the 2007 one.

Those are like 40% of the movies thats a good amount of time spent on Raph . What do you want 90% because he's YOUR favorite turtle .

[Luckyday]

I'd love to see The River adapted into the show. Bloodsucker might get an action figure.

But The Creep was already the Bloodsucker in this version.

I don't how I feel about them trying to do their version of "Sons of the Silent Age". That's like the Citizen Kane to me. It just should never be done.

I would really love if they did the Distraction story.


Title: Let Me Tell You A Story...
Summary: A one shot episode that is done in a 2D animation by the team who did Avatar: the Last Airbender with a tone thats reminiscent of Samurai Jack. The episode begins with a nameless anthropomorphic turtle samurai in feudal Japan who on a quest to find his family but finds himself entangle with a civil war and must rescue the beautiful princess Tai from the evil claws of Lord Tacho. When peace is restore and the princess safe, the brave turtle samurai returns to his quest but not until his tells his name. He is no other but Micaelangelo. It then cuts back to the real world (the one with Cgi) at the farm with Mikey sitting at his desk with his mask hung around his neck like a bandana. He looks at Ice cream kitty and ask her if it's was too cheesy

[RandomtasticFantasy]

I feel like I'm missing something: they usually always end up focusing on Raph (also, my favorite) in other mediums of the series. So for once, the others are getting focus. So...what is the problem? The characterization? Like he's not badass enough?

[Aaronardo]

Yep. Right now, when it comes to Raph episodes and how they deal with the character, 2k3 is number one, and the 80's show is number two. The nick show is so way down the list.

Woah woah woah. The 80's show was better with Raph as a character even after episodes such as "Raphael Knocks Em Dead" and "Raphael Drives Em Wild"? There are few Raph-related episodes in the 80's show, as well, but when there were some, they're pretty awful.
But I do agree the Nick show needs to step it up a bit with Raph. It'd be interesting to see a Raphael One-Shot episode and see how that works. It's most likely not going to happen, but I know many would like to see it. Or, you know, at least more episodes like Slash and Destroy.

[BubblyShell22]

No, they feel he's getting shoved aside and that when he does have plots, they always revolve around him messing up. I don't mind it though because he's a teenager and teens don't always learn from their mistakes.

And I thought Mikey hummed "Old MacDonald" in the movie, not Don.

[Luckyday]

So what episode can they do with Raph without creating a love interest or making it about his angry again?

Hmm....that's a tall order.

[THGhost]

Finally found a download for this episode.

Great stuff, loved the farm setting and The Creep was kinda cool - VERY Jason Voorhees. It even said "Voorhees" on his clothes. :lol: Anyone else notice the musical queue from Friday the 13th was snuck in there too? ;)

Not liking Seth Green's voice. He sounds like a grown up Chris Griffin, which doesn't really bode well for his VO talent. He doesn't seem to have that much of a range as compared to, say, Seth McFarlane.

I for one still like the Donnie/April thing. "My sweet 'lil chinchilla" was adorable.

[kelligrafie]

I think Raph's role, especially recently, has been as a pillar or support in the group. Aside from the odd anger/Slash/Casey episodes he hasn't really been the main 'star'.

He's usually the first one to comfort whichever brother is in turmoil. So in that sense he gets a lot of second line attention. Personally I quite enjoy seeing that side to him but I can understand why people are getting frustrated when previously he seems to have been more of an instigator for story lines.

He doesn't seem as headstrong in this version, or when he has moments when he could go off and attack the foot clan single-handedly, he gets stopped by another of the brothers.

Now you can go two ways with this.

Either it's because the show makers have decided it's too time-consuming or repetitive (he has done this so much over the last 30 years) to explore him blowing his fuse.

OR because the turtles are aware of Raph's weakness in his quick anger and they defuse the situation by stopping him from doing something stupid. They see the problem and try to rectify it. Which is good for Raph and the team, but not so good for providing a Raphael orientated storyline.

I don't think - I'm not going to start going through the entire run of the cartoon so far and adding up totals for which turtle had the most screen time - Raph has had as much time as a lead as perhaps he could have.

But I also don't think he's being ignored.

[snake]

So what episode can they do with Raph without creating a love interest or making it about his angry again?

Hmm....that's a tall order.

Maybe having him ease up and try to act calm?

[Luckyday]

Maybe having him ease up and try to act calm?

No, I mean what character conflict can they write for a episode without making it about his temper?

[MrTMNT2012]

No, I mean what character conflict can they write for a episode without making it about his temper?

Maybe a Battle Nexus Tournament sort of deal? He loses one of the big fights despite being the strongest and learns to cooperate with his brothers more so than achieving his own personal targets. Learning to become more tenacious.

[kelligrafie]

No, I mean what character conflict can they write for a episode without making it about his temper?

An episode where he has to be a mentor. Leonardo's quite the tutor but I think Raph would struggle there because he's well aware of his own failings to act rationally.

Think Donnie and Timothy, but with a less annoying Timothy. Hopefully.

[Jon_Talbain]

I am with some other posters in being very confused. How did Raph become a plant and why didn't he have his intelligence or memories? Was Raph double mutated in a way, or he was made a normal turtle and then mutated into a plant? It wasn't explained well enough. And the turtles still being so surprised and caught is strange. They have been trained as ninjas for years and should have MUCH higher awareness of their surroundings. And how did Raph go down without a fight? This is the guy that fought Slash one on one.

And the Creep.....did he see his reflection in the water? A mirror? Why is he so focused on covering his face? Why does he want to hurt or infect people instead of being a good guy? Why does the Creep seem to worship the mutagen or mutagen bottle? I would think that the Creep would have thought of Leo as his father or creator, there should have been some recognition of Leo since the mutagen that created the Creep came from within Leo himself rather than the bottle. There is still no explanation as to why the mutagen turns so many people or things evil instead of good. I thought it was an okay episode but there wasn't nearly enough explained.

[BubblyShell22]

Well, he sort of had that mentoring role in this latest episode trying to get Leo back on his feet, which I liked. Hope to see more of that as episodes progress since they're both going to be healing from their wounds.

[Keroscene]

Hmm. I have no desire to rain on anyone's parade, so I won't go into what I didn't like about this episode. I'll just say that I've always liked the fact that 2k12 was irreverent towards the franchise's history, so it's been a bit disappointing to see so many references to previous stuff in the last 2 episodes.

[Luckyday]

Maybe a Battle Nexus Tournament sort of deal? He loses one of the big fights despite being the strongest and learns to cooperate with his brothers more so than achieving his own personal targets. Learning to become more tenacious.

That might be interesting. Another could be about his insecurities.

I had a idea while back of how april's teacher ends up living with the turtles and gives them an education. Every one was a little turn off at first but they all eventually warm up to the idea because each one had a subject that they were really into except for Raph who was acting out like any insecure kid. The teacher realize this and resolve by showing him that it's normal to have a little trouble in school.

[tmntfanuk]

Just seen the ep.
Seth as Leo. Uhh... I keep thinking 'Oz', lol. I really liked Jason Biggs as Leo (and with Dom, most of the time I could barely tell the diff). Seth is okay though, and I'm sure 10 or so eps in, and I'll be used to the change.

[Warhorse]

No, I mean what character conflict can they write for a episode without making it about his temper?

Why not have the whole arc where he is the Shredder for a time being, or it was him that was involved in the City at War arc instead of Leo? (The Purple Dragons is the best scenario to bring out the best in Raph, since he is supposed to be the street smart guy) Why not have an episode where we meet Angel and he takes her under his wing, kind of like Donnie did with Timothy, and helps her to become an important person in her community? Maybe they can rip a page from the IDW book, and instead of Casey, bring in someone like Keno, and his father could be like the Hun character taking charge of the Purple Dragons and abusing Keno and Raph steps in and helps out there. Raph is not just the "tempermental" one of the group, I thought they were trying to emphasize how he is the protector. Well, let him protect dammit! Either be it him bashing skulls, or training someone to help defend themselves, or just guiding a troubled kid down the right path instead of the wrong one. Lets show case his street smarts and that he does have an understanding and knack for the mechanical (like maybe finding an old motorcycle in a dumpster and fixing it up without anyone knowing, and then, he decides to make up his NightWatcher persona)

[RedOnYellow]

Great episode. The part where April was running from The Creep while he slowly shuffled after her but he still managed to catch up had me laughing my ass off.

I didn't have a problem with the whole Raph thing. It was weird and a little silly, but I'm used to that by now from this show. I just shrug and say "Well that happened".

I think the most disappointing thing from this episode for me is Leo's reaction to Splinter's 'death'. I feel like it's a copout to have him say "OH HE COULD BE FINE" when in reality Leo, as the leader, should be looking at the possibility that they'll never see Splinter again. I know he's been through a lot lately and just woke up, but I wanted to see him sad.

Otherwise, good episode. I'm cautiously optimistic for Seth but won't judge yet, as most of this episode was him sounding exhausted.

[Slade]

Ki ki ki ki ma ma ma ma...

I loved that episode. Hope The Creep finds another hockey mask when he gets out. I agree with others the Raph part was weird. Seth will take a little getting used to.

[Warhorse]

Hmm. I have no desire to rain on anyone's parade, so I won't go into what I didn't like about this episode. I'll just say that I've always liked the fact that 2k12 was irreverent towards the franchise's history, so it's been a bit disappointing to see so many references to previous stuff in the last 2 episodes.

This. It's like they are running out of ideas, so they are just straight up copying scenes and scenarios that were already done, but are just swapping characters. I have no idea what the thing is with Raph though. They had to throw in the part where Leo is now the one watching him at the end or something? Wouldn't have been better if they did what happened in the comics. After the first half of season three, Raph starts to get impatient with wanting to go back to NYC, he and Leo fight, Leo loses. Raph then goes back, and then he tries to go after the Shredder and he is the one that falls this time, and then we can see Leo trying to help him recover, and now both of the best fighters of the team have basically the same beat downs to overcome.

[NinjaPug]

Whoever does the music for this show doesn't get enough credit. The normal score is great to begin with but he/she always knocks it out of the park when doing specialized scores like this episode or Chinatown Ghost Story.

[Warhorse]

So, when are we going to see Raph without his mask on? And when are we going to get the cloaks and the get up that was in that book? It was kind of neat to see Leo in nearly the whole episode without his mask. Makes you realize, they really don't need them to distinguish the characters.

[Megchan]

"I'm just freaking because April and Casey went off on their own...Alone."

"Why? Because they forgot to bring a 'compass'?"

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e10/PangolinFeets/tmnt_s1e21_by_lilachsigal-d672b0q_zpsee517316.gif

...Am I the only one who heard it that way?

Annnyway, I enjoyed it mostly for all the Friday the 13th and Evil Dead references down to The Creep's overalls having a 'Voorhees' logo on the front. It was fun.

Nope, definitely did not hear it that way...but I will from now on... =w=

[OtakuX]

As a long time horror fan, I loved it. The references to the F13 franchise, including the music (not just the familiar Ki ki ki ha ha ha part, but the reference to all the music in the early instalments) was a pleasant surprise. It kinda distracted from the bizarre voice change.

[Warhorse]

Nope, definitely did not hear it that way...but I will from now on... =w=

Not the first time the boys heads went there. There is still that time when Leo, Raph and Mikey were watching TV when Donnie comes flying out of his closed up lab, and goes "Want to know what April and I were doing?" And the other three were very silent, and had those looks on their faces like they were a bit afraid to respond.

[neatoman]

An over all decent episode, but there is one thing that bothered me beyond belief: Raph got turned into grass, drained by the Creep and he both survived, and was turned back to normal?

I'm sorry, that whole fakeout was ********! BULL. ****. ********! ********!! ********!!!

The turtles assume Splinter died from being flushed down a drain (he didn't but that besides the point), and Leo is still broken after three months but Raph having been transformed and drained can get cured right away with no side effects? No, just no, this bad storytelling.

You can't make episode that starts out explaining the serious consequences of the last one, have the episode center around the character who got hit the worst, have one of the characters seemingly die and then have him come back as good as new at the end.

[Warhorse]

An over all decent episode, but there is one thing that bothered me beyond belief: Raph got turned into grass, drained by the Creep and he both survived, and was turned back to normal?

I'm sorry, that whole fakeout was ********! BULL. ****. ********! ********!! ********!!!

The turtles assume Splinter died from being flushed down a drain (he didn't but that besides the point), and Leo is still broken after three months but Raph having been transformed and drained can get cured right away with no side effects? No, just no, this bad storytelling.

You can't make episode that starts out explaining the serious consequences of the last one, have the episode center around the character who got hit the worst, have one of the characters seemingly die and then have him come back as good as new at the end.

*pats you on the back* It's ok, maybe in the next episode we'll find out it was just Leo having a bad dream, like Mikey in the Pizzaface episode (am I really supposed to expect Mikey will eat a rat, considering his master is a mutant one?????) Sometimes this show is great, and sometimes it's just effing awful. This episode managed to do both at once!

[PangolinFeets]

Why not have the whole arc where he is the Shredder for a time being, or it was him that was involved in the City at War arc instead of Leo? (The Purple Dragons is the best scenario to bring out the best in Raph, since he is supposed to be the street smart guy) Why not have an episode where we meet Angel and he takes her under his wing, kind of like Donnie did with Timothy, and helps her to become an important person in her community? Maybe they can rip a page from the IDW book, and instead of Casey, bring in someone like Keno, and his father could be like the Hun character taking charge of the Purple Dragons and abusing Keno and Raph steps in and helps out there. Raph is not just the "tempermental" one of the group, I thought they were trying to emphasize how he is the protector. Well, let him protect dammit! Either be it him bashing skulls, or training someone to help defend themselves, or just guiding a troubled kid down the right path instead of the wrong one. Lets show case his street smarts and that he does have an understanding and knack for the mechanical (like maybe finding an old motorcycle in a dumpster and fixing it up without anyone knowing, and then, he decides to make up his NightWatcher persona)
That. I am so with you there. I was thinking about how City Fall is the big new thing from the comics and how I'd love to see it translated for this show, but it'd be nice to see it done without Leo. Perhaps, instead of looking for a true leader, Shredder could be looking for a face-beater and Raph would be perfect for that. The issue I see is that if he was going to go through all that trouble he might as well just to it to Karai to get her back.

As a fan of Leo and Donnie focus, I am starting to get annoyed at the lack of good Raph episodes. I'm hoping that when Karai finally pops up he can be somwhat of the mediator in that, considering their past.
And bringing Angel or Alopex in the show could also add a cool dynamic for Raph. Not necessarily a romantic one, just more cool interactions.

[Storm Eagle]

There's this villain next to Baxter Stockman in the opening that I couldn't make out. Is that Squirrelanoid?

[JTH]

There's this villain next to Baxter Stockman in the opening that I couldn't make out. Is that Squirrelanoid?
I don't believe there was a villain next to Baxter, I believe what it was was Baxter's pincer hand. I'll have to double check that though.

[T-U-R-T-L-E POWA!]

I REALLY enjoyed this episode and thought it was maybe the most atmospheric episode of the series. I DO wish it could have aired a little closer to Halloween but I'm not sure what the scheduling looks like and it seems like they usually take a break around holidays. There were SO many "nods" to the past going on in this episode that it would be hard to even list them all. I LOVED the fact that April fell down while running from Creep. That's one of the best classic horror cliches. I honestly think this episode might have been genuinely frightening to younger viewers. I hope we see more upstate episodes. Also I would like to have a Creep figure. When he had that sack on his head he sorta reminded me of Leatherface and those chainsaw guys from Resident Evil 4. He is one of the better designed new mutants in my opinion.

[mikeyatemypizza]

That fasanation of seeing Raph without a mask is a little creepy. :lol:
Loved The Walking Dead style farmhouse setup. But really enjoyed the Friday The 13th part 2 nod. How the mutagen medicine bottle was on the shrine like in F13 2. Since like Mrs Voorhees it is the Creeps mama. Sack head Creep loved it.

[snake]

Like I said before, the Raph thing is confusing. Don't try to make sense of it.

[Ashwolf]

Like I said before, the Raph thing is confusing. Don't try to make sense of it.

in a way, its almost a reference to the stargate atlantis ep where shepard got infected w/ that failed wraith cure

[Vicky82]

Someone on Tumblr noticed something in this pic.

https://33.media.tumblr.com/4817b2e7325bce18612bad5d0bb937ab/tumblr_ncx6c4niJs1sq6mn5o1_500.png

Leo's got algae on his shell for being in the bathtub for 3 months.

[BabyTurtles]

Someone on Tumblr noticed something in this pic.

https://33.media.tumblr.com/4817b2e7325bce18612bad5d0bb937ab/tumblr_ncx6c4niJs1sq6mn5o1_500.png

Leo's got algae on his shell for being in the bathtub for 3 months.

did they even bother to change his water?? XD (he has to still go to the bathroom right?)

.....and did they seriously leave him in a bathtub for 3 months??

maybe if this was a week it'd make more sense.....how was Leo even eating?

[Vicky82]

did they even bother to change his water?? XD (he has to still go to the bathroom right?)

.....did they seriously leave him in a bathtub for 3 months??

maybe if this was a week it'd make more sense.....how was Leo even eating?

Well turtles do go into hibernation over the winter so I guess Leo was in some sort of coma/hibernation like state.

[BabyTurtles]

Well turtles do go into hibernation over the winter so I guess Leo was in some sort of coma/hibernation like state.

well...okay then.

it'd be nice if we heard stuff like that instead of it being glossed over :ohwell:

in 3 months...the kraang could have taken over most of New York by now...I'd hate to be in the city at that point.

unless EPF has been working their magic (which I would totally be okay with :D)

[Vicky82]

well...okay then.

it'd be nice if we heard stuff like that instead of it being glossed over :ohwell:

in 3 months...the kraang could have taken over most of New York by now...I'd hate to be in the city at that point.

unless EPF has been working their magic (which I would totally be okay with :D)

I've wondered about that too and apparently the turtles are going to be at the farm for 13 episodes so that's going to be at least a few more months.

I'm wondering the Kraang's invasion of New York has slowed down because they are at feud with Shredder and his army over the control of New York as there alliance is now over as they defeated the turtles. Also expect other mutants joining in the fight too. So New York is probably in chaos.

[IndigoErth]

Well I gotta give Raph fans credit, if nothing else they're a passionate bunch and fast to pull for their fave. Other than that... I ain't touching that argument with a 6' katana... lol

I will just say that I'm am sure that fans of each Turtle could probably note faults with what's been done 'wrong' or neglected for their fave at times over 30 years of the franchise. No one has been the favored golden child with the spotlight and perfect writing through every moment of three decades.



I'm sure it's just me finding coincidences, because just realized that...
Movie: Eric Sacks drains Turtles of mutagen.
This episode: Raph's mutagen is drained from him by a bad guy with a sack on his head.

And repeating myself, but:
Movie: Deviation from the norm (I think?) in that the mutagen now exists in their blood.
Episode: Now suggests same thing by needing to put it back into Raph.
Movie: Splinter given mutagen (I assume ingested?) to save/heal him.
Episode: Leo given mutagen meds to heal him.


how was Leo even eating?
Feeding tube down the throat? :\

[BabyTurtles]

Feeding tube down the throat? :\

I kinda figured it was something like that....but IDK...being told or showed really helps me feel like the writers care a little more.

(does Donnie even have a feeding tube?)

[Vicky82]

I kinda figured it was something like that....but IDK...being told or showed really helps me feel like the writers care a little more.

(does Donnie even have a feeding tube?)

Maybe he made one 8)

[BabyTurtles]

Maybe he made one 8)

lots of "maybes" here

I guess all we can do is assume huh?

[IndigoErth]

Feeding tube and a diet of melted ice cream. Goodness knows he looked like he barfed it.

[THGhost]

Battle Nexus

Ugh, please don't remind me of that terrible game (http://www.gamespot.com/reviews/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-2-battle-nexus-review/1900-6112440/). :P

Someone on Tumblr noticed something in this pic.

https://33.media.tumblr.com/4817b2e7325bce18612bad5d0bb937ab/tumblr_ncx6c4niJs1sq6mn5o1_500.png

Leo's got algae on his shell for being in the bathtub for 3 months.

Mind blown. :teek:

[mikeyatemypizza]

Is it just me or do to many people feel like a half hour fictional animated entertainment program must be scientifically and politically correct. Its 22 minutes of fun and laughs to me.:D

[travelingcat]

Finally able to watch it (curse you cable provider for suddenly dropping Nick).

The Raph turned plant dog then flower then completely fine was weird. I guess they were trying to show how unsettling the Creep was by what it did to him, but it came off completely confusing. I'll just block it from memory.

Didn't like how Donnie objected to April and Casey going alone. Donnie, your bro is missing. Fix your priorities. I'm okay with the Apritello/Capril conflict until moments like this.

Everything else was great. Still adjusting to Green, but I like it. The Creep was a cool horror mutant, and the atmosphere was chilling.

[MrTMNT2012]

Ugh, please don't remind me of that terrible game (http://www.gamespot.com/reviews/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-2-battle-nexus-review/1900-6112440/). :P

Wasn't my intention. Incredibly sorry! :P

[Metalwolf]

I liked this episode, although I didn't care for Raph getting turned into a sort of plant-like creature. Maybe just have him being stuck inside the Creep instead?

As for others wondering how the farmhouse had electricity and water, the family likely had a generator stored out in the shed whenever there was a power outage, and that's how it is running the place. Alternately they could be using Kraang power crystals too.

As for water, nobody here has heard of pump wells to get groundwater? That's what many people use when they aren't tied into the waterline of a town or city. :P

And the chickens? Sometimes you can buy laying hens from a local farmer. Casey and April likely went to get them, and buy the feed in town.

[nimajneb]

Wow, what a great episode! Loved the original movie references, plus everything else! Really enjoyed Nicks take on a horror story.

I can get on board with Seth Green too.

[oldmanwinters]

Creep is the equivalent of Turtle Honey!

Heh, "Turtle Honey." That's kinda funny.

[Vicky82]

I liked this episode, although I didn't care for Raph getting turned into a sort of plant-like creature. Maybe just have him being stuck inside the Creep instead?

As for others wondering how the farmhouse had electricity and water, the family likely had a generator stored out in the shed whenever there was a power outage, and that's how it is running the place. Alternately they could be using Kraang power crystals too.

As for water, nobody here has heard of pump wells to get groundwater? That's what many people use when they aren't tied into the waterline of a town or city. :P

And the chickens? Sometimes you can buy laying hens from a local farmer. Casey and April likely went to get them, and buy the feed in town.

I expect Donnie fixed the electricity, don't forget they did have electricity and running water in the lair

[Toadtrooper]

It was just Baxter and his hand. I'd imagine they'll replace the hand with Bebop and Rocksteady at some point.
http://i60.tinypic.com/2s7w7lk.jpg

As far as the episode... bad fan fiction. That's what a high quantity of references and a low quality of writing will get you.

[nimajneb]

Wasn't my intention. Incredibly sorry! :P

Is it just me or do to many people feel like a half hour fictional animated entertainment program must be scientifically and politically correct. Its 22 minutes of fun and laughs to me.:D

A-men to that!

[MrTMNT2012]

As far as the episode... bad fan fiction. That's what a high quantity of references and a low quality of writing will get you.

How was the quality of the writing low exactly?

[matteso586]

I liked this episode, although I didn't care for Raph getting turned into a sort of plant-like creature. Maybe just have him being stuck inside the Creep instead?

As for others wondering how the farmhouse had electricity and water, the family likely had a generator stored out in the shed whenever there was a power outage, and that's how it is running the place. Alternately they could be using Kraang power crystals too.

As for water, nobody here has heard of pump wells to get groundwater? That's what many people use when they aren't tied into the waterline of a town or city. :P

And the chickens? Sometimes you can buy laying hens from a local farmer. Casey and April likely went to get them, and buy the feed in town.

The farm is an isolated area. Miles from civilization, remember?

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

How was the quality of the writing low exactly?

Maybe, for example, the whole 'Raph/plant/quick ending/everything to do with Raph in the episode' thing that even fans of the episode have complained about, for starters.

[BabyTurtles]

How was the quality of the writing low exactly?

well...to name a few...(at least my problems)
1) Donnie worrying about April and Casey when Raph is gone (priorities)
2) Raph turning into a plant. What?
3) Donnie giving Leo mutagen medicine to drink just so theres an excuse for the Creep to be born (I thought we all learned mutagen is bad. unless it's a cure...but that would turn Leo into a turtle turtle)
4) Why are they watching cartoons when New York is being taken over? shouldn't they be watching the news?? (this should be public to the world by now)
5) 3 months have passed and the Kraang haven't taken over the world yet? I thought they perfected the mutagen?
6)Raph getting better by pumping the mutagen back into him?? o_O huh?
7) how can Leo be out that long in the first place!? can anyone be out that long without being in a coma???


I'm kinda getting tired of all these movie/game references to tell you the truth......

[Luckyday]

*pats you on the back* It's ok, maybe in the next episode we'll find out it was just Leo having a bad dream, like Mikey in the Pizzaface episode (am I really supposed to expect Mikey will eat a rat, considering his master is a mutant one?????) Sometimes this show is great, and sometimes it's just effing awful. This episode managed to do both at once!

When did that happen?:teek:

[IndigoErth]

7) how can Leo be out that long in the first place!? can anyone be out that long without being in a coma???

I'm assuming it was, he just finally woke up from it.

In some ways it would have been interesting to see much more of how everyone dealt with his 'absence' and how the pecking order restructured itself in the meantime. Though on the other, main hand, I'm glad he woke up in the first one of the season, would suck to have him pretty much gone from it for too long...

[BabyTurtles]

I'm assuming it was, he just finally woke up from it.

In some ways it would have been interesting to see much more of how everyone dealt with his 'absence' and how the pecking order restructured itself in the meantime. Though on the other, main hand, I'm glad he woke up in the first one of the season, would suck to have him pretty much gone from it for too long...

having 2-3 episodes with Leo out of commission wouldn't have hurt, so we can really get a sense of how long it's taking and how much the turtles have to deal.

IDK I feel like they missed an opportunity.

[Ashwolf]

3) Donnie giving Leo mutagen medicine to drink just so theres an excuse for the Creep to be born (I thought we all learned mutagen is bad. unless it's a cure...

just cause it starts out mutagen and still has mutagen qualities, it can be made into other stuff, rat king made the psychic chemical and growth serum from it so making medicine from it isn't that out there

It was just Baxter and his hand. I'd imagine they'll replace the hand with Bebop and Rocksteady at some point.
http://i60.tinypic.com/2s7w7lk.jpg

better yet, bishop will be in that spot :D

[BabyTurtles]

just cause it starts out mutagen and still has mutagen qualities, it can be made into other stuff, rat king made the psychic chemical and growth serum from it so making medicine from it isn't that out there

The point is, Donnie shouldn't just start making things from mutagen and giving it to his brothers with how unpredictable it is.

it didn't even help Leo, it made him worse. Which is why I'm saying it's just a ploy to make the Creep, because it's main purpose, which was to help Leo was useless.

as for the Rat king...he took a crazy risk and experimented on himself cause he was crazy.

I just feel Donnie should know better...and be a little more careful.

[hypnock]

No Ice Cream Kitty. :tsad:

[IndigoErth]

IDK I feel like they missed an opportunity.
Likewise. Though at the same time personally his part of the finale was also painful enough to watch and then the week wait to see if he'd even wake up in the next and be ok (not to mention a little apprehension over the impending voice change)... Seven days can drag on so long when they want to.

[victory_angel]

I'm assuming it was, he just finally woke up from it.

In some ways it would have been interesting to see much more of how everyone dealt with his 'absence' and how the pecking order restructured itself in the meantime. Though on the other, main hand, I'm glad he woke up in the first one of the season, would suck to have him pretty much gone from it for too long...

I agree...it would have been good to have an episode where the Turtles are all dealing with their new surroundings. Donnie was leader while Leo was out of commission so why not focus on how he's doing with that. Particularly since he was beating himself up about the end of the invasion. I mean he slipped into the role easily because it was needed, but once Leo is awake he's back to being a follower again.

It would have been better if they had been their a couple of weeks, the Turtle's are talking and then one of them notices that Leo is reacting to their voices. And perhaps that could have lead into more development, maybe give Dom a few last hurrah moments as Leo in flashbacks before Leo wakes up.

[Tazi]

Wow, so the mutagen sucked out of Raph was actually a nod towards The River storyline? Pretty cool.

Leo's new voice was kinda suprising. He matured a lot. :D

The episode wasn't super good, but at least it wasn't bad, and wasn't completely stupid like the first half of S02. It seems like this series is getting a bit darker, which is pretty cool.

[Luckyday]

Wow, so the mutagen sucked out of Raph was actually a nod towards The River storyline? Pretty cool.

Leo's new voice was kinda suprising. He matured a lot. :D

The episode wasn't super good, but at least it wasn't bad, and wasn't completely stupid like the first half of S02. It seems like this series is getting a bit darker, which is pretty cool.

I knew I wasn't the only who thought that the Creep was this series' version of Bloodsucker. You don't think that they're going to try to do their version of Sons of The Silent Age?

[BabyTurtles]

on a sidenote.
Casey kicking April in the face/shoulder? was pretty amusing :lol: like he wasn't even trying to be gentle.

Casey being Casey even around the girl he likes :D

[BubblyShell22]

Yep I agree with that, BT. As to your question about comas, they can last a long time. My sis was in one, and she woke up on Easter Sunday. So it just depends on what's going on.

And as for if Don had a feeding tube, if he can rig up an IV for Raph, he can create a feeding tube.

[Slade]

Finally read the entire thread. I feel people's pain with the Raph aspect of the show. To me, it's all been about how great April is and Donnie whinning because he doesn't have her. So, yeah. I feel the pain. I will admit though, I loved the episode. Mainly because of the vibe.


This one did show the caring side of Raph, since he was the one keeping watch over Leo while he was out.

[IndigoErth]

on a sidenote.
Casey kicking April in the face/shoulder? was pretty amusing :lol: like he wasn't even trying to be gentle.

Casey being Casey even around the girl he likes :D
Next morning poor April notices a bruise on her shoulder that matches Casey's boot print, "Wtf??"

Have fun losing the girl, Casey...

[blindturtle02]

Glad I was finally able to see this episode. I thought it was a blast overall. Loved Seth as Leo. I had a cousin who was in a wreck around 1997 or so. His throat was effected and his voice certainly got a bit more gruff as a result. I'm wondering if one of the writers went through a similar situation with a family member. Definitely didn't effect my love and respect for the guy. I always thought it was cool because he sounded a lot like Kevin Conroy's Batman.

Back to episode thoughts. I also liked the Creep and the action scenes surrounding him. The whole Raph thing confused me as well. The season opener was a fun ride, but I'm hoping we get some plot threads that connect to the main story in this batch of episodes. I'm afraid a bunch of it is going to be filler before the big return to New York payoff. I do enjoy the farm and woods as a change of scenery though. The Walking Dead is another of my favorite shows, so this new background appears to emanate that same sense of isolation. The horror movie references in this episode were terrific. I liked the 1990 movie stuff too.

My better half pointed out that the mutagen bottle was the last thing we saw in this episode, so I'm wondering what that's supposed to mean. Punk frogs, I guess. Anywho, sounds like we're in for some great stories this season, both in NYC and out of it. Always fun to read everyone's opinions and discuss this show every weekend.

[Syb3rStrife]

After finally seeing the entire episode I feel like Seth is going to be a wonderful Leo. There's some parts he sounds really weird and too deep but at other parts the vocal pitch was just high enough that it sounded a kinda close Biggs version (but it's definitely no Biggs though). I think reason for this is probably to play off the whole injured throat thing till Leo's 100% back on his feet which I like cause who the hell jumps back from an throat injury sounding perfect. I think in a few episodes we'll hear the real voice Seth has for Leo.

As for the episode itself, I really enjoyed it and its creepiness. The farmhouse and bathtub scenes were a wonderful homage to the first movie and I loved the little Friday the 13th references. I also love the little animation details in this episode, like the algae on Leo's shell and when Leo's leg trembles a little after he throws his crutch away.

One thing about this episode that kinda bothers me (other than the whole Raph being changed into a plant and back with the mutagen. I ain't touching that subject.) was how Donnie was more concerned about Casey and April bumping uglies than looking for his brother. He came so close to losing one I'd think he'd be a little more worried about losing another. Hell, even Leo's starting to get tired of him and the love triangle bullsh*t. I wonder if they'll have an episode surrounding this subject and get his priorities straight.

I also hate that they teased us with no mask-less Raph. Mikey made a little comment about his face which makes me wonder if he has some sort of scar under there but then again that could have just been Mikey being a little sh*t. XD

[THGhost]

I think people are thinking far too much into the whole Raph/plant thing. This is supposed to be a kids show, remember? Although to me it doesn't feel that way, except for the odd moment when something doesn't quite make sense. Like the whole Raph/plant thing... Wait, what was my point again?

Wasn't my intention. Incredibly sorry! :P

Tis alright, I have my memories from the first game to block it out. :)

Heh, "Turtle Honey." That's kinda funny.

That rhymes, sort of. :P

No Ice Cream Kitty. :tsad:

I know :( would have been nice to had a scene with him and Mikey.

on a sidenote.
Casey kicking April in the face/shoulder? was pretty amusing :lol: like he wasn't even trying to be gentle.

Casey being Casey even around the girl he likes :D

I :lol: so hard at that!

[marcelangelo]

hey, where is the love for the turtles blimp making it into the intro, guys?

[IndigoErth]

I think in a few episodes we'll hear the real voice Seth has for Leo.
That's what I'm hoping/thinking as well once recovered more.


hey, where is the love for the turtles blimp making it into the intro, guys?
It's been brought up, but I guess it's not yet as exciting as "wtf why is Raph a plant dog." lol

(At least he didn't stay that way for a few episodes, becoming the farm's new plant-based sheepdog. Edit: Damn, now I'm rather amused by that idea...)

[Ashwolf]

I think people are thinking far too much into the whole Raph/plant thing. This is supposed to be a kids show, remember? Although to me it doesn't feel that way, except for the odd moment when something doesn't quite make sense. Like the whole Raph/plant thing... Wait, what was my point again?

again, I really feel like that is a bit of a stargate atlantis reference

[marcelangelo]

That's what I'm hoping/thinking as well once recovered more.



It's been brought up, but I guess it's not yet as exciting as "wtf why is Raph a plant dog." lol

(At least he didn't stay that way for a few episodes, becoming the farm's new plant-based sheepdog. Edit: Damn, now I'm rather amused by that idea...)

I must admit watching the episode I was doubting that raph was really inside this plant dog..I thought raph was caged somwhere outside that hut to be honest and this 'dog' was just some bizarre being...
seth as leonardo is great in my oppinion!welcome aboard seth!

[IndigoErth]

I must admit watching the episode I was doubting that raph was really inside this plant dog.
Yeah, likewise, I thought they'd find him somewhere and this thing simply stole his mask.

[Keroscene]

Wow, so the mutagen sucked out of Raph was actually a nod towards The River storyline? Pretty cool.

I thought it was a reference to that too, or it might be more accurate to say it was almost the same storyline. It bugged me, because Rick Veitch didn't give IDW permission to reprint those issues, so I doubt he gave Nick permission to use those storylines. They changed it just enough so they could claim it was a different concept. And it really isn't.

[Raph's Girl]

I've been thinking. They've been on that farm for like 3 months. Do April and Casey have a change of clothes?? Cuz April at least only seems to wear that one shirt.... :ohwell:

[ernesth100]

There was some real emotion in this episode. Damn.

[Keroscene]

This. It's like they are running out of ideas, so they are just straight up copying scenes and scenarios that were already done, but are just swapping characters.

I felt it was an attempt at a "homage" rather than "running out of ideas." This show has a format, that format is the Mutant of the Week format and whilst some fans don't like it, I feel it works well enough. I don't want this show to go down the path of ripping off comic arcs, like 2k3 and IDW and the movies did. I've SEEN those stories now, I've got no desire to see them again. For me, this show is best when it maintains an irreverent attitude.

The thing with Raph... well they clearly wanted to rip off that Rick Veitch storyline without actually ripping it off. But in terms of his "character development" or whatever. Hmm. Raph and Leo have always had the lion's share of the dramatic stuff to do. That's why Don and Mikey get the little side episodes, because they get screwed in the main arcs. So if Raph and/or Leo ended up stepping back from one of those arcs for once, I'd be totally cool with it. I think too often when it comes to the serious stuff, it becomes all about Leo and Raph.

[BabyTurtles]

I've been thinking. They've been on that farm for like 3 months. Do April and Casey have a change of clothes?? Cuz April at least only seems to wear that one shirt.... :ohwell:

maybe if this was a 2D cartoon, we'd see some change in clothes...but since there are alot of limitations to CGI....I think we should just expect them to always be wearing the same thing.

I can't think of any CGI cartoon that has the characters change clothes alot....

[Slade]

For the most part, cartoon characters don't change clothes.

[victory_angel]

maybe if this was a 2D cartoon, we'd see some change in clothes...but since there are alot of limitations to CGI....I think we should just expect them to always be wearing the same thing.

I can't think of any CGI cartoon that has the characters change clothes alot....

Let's not forget that Casey and April did leave the city with only the clothes on their backs. Yeah they may have found a Good Will/Salvation Army some time off screen.

[IndigoErth]

Cuz April at least only seems to wear that one shirt.... :ohwell:
Think it's been the same from the beginning? Maybe she's got a whole closet full of duplicates of that shirt, just a slight obsessive disorder of some kind. :P

I can't think of any CGI cartoon that has the characters change clothes alot....
And really it actually shouldn't be that hard considering the model textures ("skins"/coloration) are a separate thing from the model. Could keep the same model shape and simply change the textures to the color/print of a different shirt.

Really it may simply just not be worth constantly having to make new ones if a show ventured into that. Adding a jacket or something as they've done on occasion may be easier/more sane.

[hypnock]

No one talks about new Mikey's cartoon. Is it a parody of He-man?

[Syb3rStrife]

No one talks about new Mikey's cartoon. Is it a parody of He-man?

It's a parody of Thundarr the Barbarian. An old Ruby-Spears cartoon.

[THGhost]

hey, where is the love for the turtles blimp making it into the intro, guys?

I hadn't noticed that tbh. :P

I've been thinking. They've been on that farm for like 3 months. Do April and Casey have a change of clothes?? Cuz April at least only seems to wear that one shirt.... :ohwell:

That's been bugging me every since episode 1. It happens a lot in most cartoons though, and it bugs me then too.

No one talks about new Mikey's cartoon. Is it a parody of He-man?

It's a parody of Thundarr the Barbarian. An old Ruby-Spears cartoon.

Didn't the turtles not get to see the last episode of the show they watched previously?

[blindturtle02]

I hadn't noticed that tbh. :P



That's been bugging me every since episode 1. It happens a lot in most cartoons though, and it bugs me then too.





Didn't the turtles not get to see the last episode of the show they watched previously?

lol Yeah! Happened in the first two seasons. Maybe the last season will have them finally finding out what happened during all the series finales.

[snake]

I assume that Donnie will build the turtle blimp so they can fly into NYC.

[THGhost]

The vines grabbing April and pulling her back into the woods (was that a reference to Evil dead)

I'd say yes. I'm very glad they didn't reference it fully though.

Speaking of Evil Dead... I'm surprised nobody else has mentioned that the episode's title, "Within the Woods", is the same name as Sam Raimi's short film - often viewed as a precursor to The Evil Dead. :tcool:

[Ninjinister]

I felt it was an attempt at a "homage" rather than "running out of ideas."

Exactly. It's like A Chinatown Ghost Story... it got a lot of hate because it rehashed an old storyline or people just didn't straight up get the joke. I however, loved the s**t out of it because I love the s**t out of Big Trouble in Little China. This episode was an homage/pastiche/parody of 70's and 80's slasher films, right down to the title ("Within the Woods" was the short film that begat The Evil Dead)

There was some real emotion in this episode. Damn.
The part that struck me was when April's voice quivered a bit when she was describing what happened to Splinter in the cold open.


I know :( would have been nice to had a scene with him and Mikey.


Ice Cream Kitty's a female :|

[Megchan]

Didn't the turtles not get to see the last episode of the show they watched previously?

We never really find out if they do or not. Just kinda ended with the video tape being damaged, we don't even know if Donnie fixed or not. :ohwell:

[SnakeShifter]

Possitives:
- The Creep.
Very memorable character & villain for the series.
- Seth Green's voice.
I actually prefer this voice to Jason Biggs &
Dominic Catrambone.
- Friday the 13th references.
Not really a fan of the series, but I thought it was clever how they put in those nods.
- The new location.
So beautiful and a very interesting setting to be at.

Negatives:
- Mutated Raph.
Little odd, wish they showed how Creep did that to him.
- Humor.
Wish it had a little more in it.

[Bry]

I enjoyed it a lot! Loved all the Friday the 13th references with the Creep. And the 1990 movie visual references in the pre-credits sequence. They really hit my nostalgia buttons there.

Seth Green did a great job, I thought. It was a bit jarring at first, but they addressed it well, and there were some moments where it just felt very right. I like Seth Green a lot - he can play it pretty "big" and goofy sometimes, but he knows to keep it restrained and controlled here for the most part. He sounds more mature, which makes a lot of sense for his character after what he's been through. Looking forward to where he goes in the role from here.

The whole cast did great work here, really. (As usual!)

If I have a criticism? The whole "turning Raph into a plant" thing was weird, even by TMNT standards. Especially how quickly/easily they turned him back to normal. Usually it feels like there are more stakes on this show when it comes to mutations/transformations, so that felt a bit off.