Dragonball and Z discussion

[CyberCubed]

Since just about everyone here has watched DBZ and Dragonball, what do you think of it?

Is it the classic shonen anime of all time? Every action manga/anime that came after it was directly influenced by it in some way. Goku is also one of the most iconic anime characters of all time.

Discuss.

[FoxBoxKid]

Still waiting for the Kai season 5 dub.

[MrTMNT2012]

Naruto did it better.

DBZ may have revolutionised Shounen Action Manga storytelling but Naruto perfected it. And One Piece is in a whole different league than both of them!

[CyberCubed]

For Naruto are you strictly talking about the manga? Because the anime has even more horrible fillers than DBZ. :lol:

Its rather telling that DBZ was only 291 episodes....combine it with Dragonball and its only a little under 500....Naruto has what like 700+ episodes?

[MrTMNT2012]

Uh no, Naruto is looking to be finished AT MOST by 420 which puts the entire series at barely 600 episodes.

There are specific Naruto fillers that completely own anything from DBZ but yes, in general, DBZ fillers are slightly less atrocious.

It's funny how you don't mention GT...

[CyberCubed]

GT isn't canon anymore so it no longer matters. The 2013 DBZ movie retconned it, and they're making a sequel next year.

[TheCanadiandrome]

love this franchise, everything about it rocks. I'm just hoping that once they're done releasing DBZ on Blu-Ray that they'll go back and give Dragonball a proper release on BR as well

[MrTMNT2012]

DragonBall >>>> DBZ btw!

[snake]

I like DBZ because of how mindlessly fun it is. I don't care if its baby's first anime, I'll always love it.


Dragon Ball is pretty cool too.

[Peanut]

I thought it was boring when I was a kid.

I think a lot of it comes down to nostalgia at this point, but there's nothing wrong with that.

[shuriken]

I found Dragonball way more enjoyable. More focus on crtain characters, Krillin, Tien, Yamcha and Roshi all have their badass moments as well. IMO Z shoulda ended after Gohan blasted Cell into Oblivian.
To me though, the English dub with the different music made DBZ better than the original music, but that just might be nostalgia talking.

[Leofan26]

Who said Naruto was better than Dragon Ball / Z? Have you watched or read the series lately? :lol:

That's your taste though and that's cool.


For the series, I don't even remember when I'd fallen in love with the series. I'm a dub watcher, in my opinion I prefer the dub to Japan's version. For one thing, Goku's Jappanese VA bugs the crap out of me, it's hard to watch listening to his voice, it really distracts me :lol:

For once I feel like that's one of the things the dub did right, his VA fits in my opinion again. I watched the original Funimation version too, before all these remakes and Kai. I also remember watching it on it's first run on Toonami, man was I excited watching the Cell games for the first time, my favorite saga.

Gohan and Piccolo being my favorites followed by Goku had he not turned into an awful father by the end of the series :lol:

Re watching the series from Dragon Ball series, I at that time only knew about Z and watched Dragon Ball later found myself loving the Piccolo Jr saga the best.

Filler was odd at times, who thought it was a good idea to have Vegeta wear a pink shirt? :lol:

Music back in the original always my favorite. I choose to ignore GT and any thing after that, they seem to have forgotten how to write other characters :ohwell:

[shuriken]

^^ GT was pretty bad. Everyone but Goku was useless up until Vegeta goes ssj4. ugh

Dragonball was great cuz of all the tournament fights too, I don't think Z ever had a proper tournament going for it.

[Slade]

Every once in a while, I rewatch all of Z. Never really could get into DB. Though, I do have all of GT on DVD too.

Favorite character is Vegeta. Wish Toriyama liked him more though.

Favorite movie is Broly The Legendary Super Saiyan.

I loved the intro to the Ocean Dub with Rock the Dragon, though I'd rather watch the Funi dub.

Also, a lot of times, I think Goku is overrated a bit by his fans also DB/Z fans can be insane. Still love the show. Only anime I watched all the way through. Read a few chapters of the manga.

[ssjup81]

*Cracks knuckles*

Okay, I must comment on this series. lol Now, I will say this, I personally prefer Dragon Ball to both Dragon Ball Z and Dragon Ball GT. I've never seen the dub of GT or DB, though, so I can't comment on them or changes. I've only seen them subbed/Raw years ago. I have seen DBZ subbed and dubbed. The Buu saga I saw subbed.

Anyway, the reason I like Dragon Ball more than the other two series, is due to the fact that those seemed to deal with real martial arts. It wasn't all "power level" stuff, or "ki blast, ki blast, ki blast." I also liked Dragon Ball more because it was more comedic, was more of an adventure, and the others (Chichi, Tenshinhan, Chaotsu, Yamacha, Kuririn, Turtle Elder, Oolong, Puar, Lunch, Yajirobe, etc.) all did more for it compared to DBZ.

I liked Dragon Ball GT in the beginning, mainly because it was going back to the whole "Dragon Ball" dynamic. An adventure to search for the Dragon Balls with obstacles, but, it became too much like Dragon Ball Z later on (come on, was SSJ4 Goku really necessary?), which turned me off from the series a lot. It became all about "power" as opposed to "skill", imo. I will admit to liking the last half of the final episode of the entire series. It was nice; Goku and Vegeta's descendants going against each other at a Martial Arts tournament while Videl (I think), Bulma, and Chichi were watching, while a "dead Goku" is watching as well. It was nice because it flashed back to how Goku's adventure first began all the way up to DBGT, while playing the full version of Dan Dan Kokoro Hikareteku. It made me incredibly nostalgic, and also made me want to watch Dragon Ball all over again, but never mind all that. lol

As for Dragon Ball Z, it had way too much filler, and the story took away from Gohan's character. These were the biggest flaws of this series, imo (aside from the fact that it wasn't like DB where it was "skill", not power that mattered, and the fact that the Z-fighters didn't get much screen time, imo). Goku was killed out for a reason, folks. The story for DBZ was supposed to have been Gohan's story, just like DB was Goku's, but, fans really liked Goku, hence his being brought back constantly to save the day. The only saga, imo, that was handled right was the Saiya-jin Saga.

Oh, and as for the filler...some eps I didn't mind (like when Piccolo and Goku were learning to drive lol). I prefer "original filler" as opposed to extending a canon arc. Freiza arc killed me with that. "There's only five more minutes until the Planet Namek explodes...will Goku survive? Tune in next time to Dragon Ball Z!" Twenty eps later.... "Goku is still on Namek, four minutes remaining..." You know where I'm going. lol I know why the filler was there, though. The manga and anime releases were too close, but I prefer original filler to extending a canon arc (like the Namek blowing up stuff).

Oh, fav characters...

Chichi
Lunch
Gohan
Mirai no Trunks
Android 18
Pan
Videl
Vegeta

Oh, one other thing I disliked about DBGT...lack of focus on Goten. I can understand his being "girl crazy", given his age at the time of DBGT, but he and Trunks are like the best of friends! I hated the fact that they were split up for the journey for the Dragon Balls.

Anywho, in conclusion...Dragon Ball is, and will always be, my favorite series. DBZ and DBGT, imo, can't truly compare.

[Redeemer]

As much as I enjoyed DBS it frustrated the crap out of me when they would spend two episodes with Goku yelling and powering up or making a spirit bomb...... ugh.... :ohwell:

Naruto isn't as bad, the problem with Naruto is the damn flash backs...... and dialogue at times... just too much of both.

[Slade]

I think I read somewhere that those extended power up scenes and the 5 minute Namek deal happened becasue the show was running the same time as the manga, so the show runners had to wait for the next chapter to see what would happen. Don't know how true that is at the moment though.

[FoxBoxKid]

One of my pet peeves is when people insist on referring to characters and things in the show by their Japanese name, like Kuririn or Saiya-jin. :dead: If you're typing in English, why not use the English names? Another pet peeve, for anime in general, is when people say dubbed anime is never good.

[Slade]

One of my pet peeves is when people insist on referring to characters and things in the show by their Japanese name, like Kuririn or Saiya-jin. :dead: If you're typing in English, why not use the English names? Another pet peeve, for anime in general, is when people say dubbed anime is never good.

:tthumbsu::tthumbsu::tthumbsu::tthumbsu:

[ssjup81]

One of my pet peeves is when people insist on referring to characters and things in the show by their Japanese name, like Kuririn or Saiya-jin. :dead: If you're typing in English, why not use the English names? Another pet peeve, for anime in general, is when people say dubbed anime is never good.Darn me for having more exposure to the Japanese version than the English. :p

To be honest, though, I didn't even realize I'd used the Japanese names. It's so second-nature for me since I have more exposure to the Japanese as opposed to the English. In other words, I've seen more Japanese than English. I've never even seen all of Z in English. Dragon Ball and GT I've also never seen in English.

That aside, Japanese names don't bother, although in the case of Dragon Ball, it's obvious who the characters are, especially Kuririn. It's just the katakanized/romanized transliteration of Krillin. In other words, the name is the same for both versions.

[CyberCubed]

I really like the story of DBZ. Its basically the best "superhero" show to come out of Japan.

Other than the filler in some of the fights, the show always made it exciting to see who Goku and friends would fight next. Most of the main cast was also likeable.

I also love the sense of dread in the series. The heroes are always one step behind the villains in every saga, so to see them improve and find some way to beat the villains is always fun

[Wesley]

Fun fact: I have never watched Dragonball or Dragonball Z. It was never aired in Ireland. I did see the live-action movie a few years ago and thought it was awful.

[ssjup81]

Fun fact: I have never watched Dragonball or Dragonball Z. It was never aired in Ireland. I did see the live-action movie a few years ago and thought it was awful.My friends and I went out to see that movie, but we already had below 0 expectation so we weren't disappointed with it. :lol:

[DarkFell]

Fun fact: I have never watched Dragonball or Dragonball Z. It was never aired in Ireland. I did see the live-action movie a few years ago and thought it was awful.
Watch a few episodes of DB or DBZ on Youtube.

[Netkeeper]

Anyway, the reason I like Dragon Ball more than the other two series, is due to the fact that those seemed to deal with real martial arts. It wasn't all "power level" stuff, or "ki blast, ki blast, ki blast." I also liked Dragon Ball more because it was more comedic, was more of an adventure, and the others (Chichi, Tenshinhan, Chaotsu, Yamacha, Kuririn, Turtle Elder, Oolong, Puar, Lunch, Yajirobe, etc.) all did more for it compared to DBZ.
I do really appreciate DB's fun attitude and focus on real martial arts, and wished Z had kept that. But I will say that the power level introduction was supposed to be a parody of itself. Nobody was supposed to take it seriously because you can't measure power like that, as Goku & friends noted.

Nobody seemed to get that memo, which makes it hilarious. Power level arguements are the funniest ****.

I liked Dragon Ball GT in the beginning, mainly because it was going back to the whole "Dragon Ball" dynamic.
Oh man, same. I felt like turning Goku into a kid was a lazy way to do it, but aside from that, I was completely down for GT's premise... until we learned that they completely forgot how to write other characters.

AND IT'S SO UPSETTING, because early GT combined what I liked the most of DB [the adventure and the cute fun] with what I liked the most of Z [planetary travel]. And they ****ed it all up.

But anyway, I prefer Z to DB honestly, but I can't entirely explain why. I guess it's because Z inverts DB's feel and comedic scale? DB is mostly funny with fights, and Z is mostly fights with some funny. Z wasn't known for comedic moments, but when it's funny, it's funny. I might also like Z more just because I enjoyed its villains a lot more.

I'm also a fan of the earlier Z sagas that played with planetary travel and aliens and the like -- I absolutely LOVE their time on Namek, and the Bardock special is my favourite of all things DB. The Saiyan race interests me so much and I just wish there was more to them that made them very distinct from humans instead of just being... ripped humans that have a few quirks. Oh well I still love them.

I also wish we could have had more info on Freeza's race... good god there was some cool potential in there. They were all so awesome. Freeza for best villain, don't even care.

[My favourite characters: Vegeta, Freeza, Piccolo, Bulma, 18, 16, Mr Satan, Bardock]
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[pennydreadful]

I watch it for Vegeta. I'm one of those people - I don't even care. I will sit through ten crappy episodes for just two minutes of Vegeta action. I think he's brilliant.

One of my pet peeves is when people insist on referring to characters and things in the show by their Japanese name, like Kuririn or Saiya-jin. :dead: If you're typing in English, why not use the English names? Another pet peeve, for anime in general, is when people say dubbed anime is never good.

I use the Japanese spelling of names generally, because with a lot of anime, I've either read the manga first or watched the Japanese version first. Like ssjup, it's second nature to me - that's how I learnt their name initially so that's how I spell it. *shrugs* I don't really see that it matters; you can still tell which character is being referenced.

But I agree, dub purists can be painful.

I did see the live-action movie a few years ago and thought it was awful.

Everyone thought the live-action was awful. The very fact that you've mentioned it has caused a gateway to hell to open up somewhere, and our earthly flesh is now in peril. I hope you're happy, young man. :lol:

[CyberCubed]

The Dragonball Z dub was tremendously popular and spearheaded Toonami and the initial anime wave with Pokemon and Sailor Moon.

Given that happened more than 15 years ago, its no surprise that so many adults have nostalgia for the DBZ dub as they were all kids when it was originally airing.

Personally I really like the english voice actors for the DBZ cast, its only the scripting errors or dialogue changes that FUNi shouldn't have done.

[Netkeeper]

I watch it for Vegeta. I'm one of those people - I don't even care. I will sit through ten crappy episodes for just two minutes of Vegeta action. I think he's brilliant.
Yeah, for several, several years I was one of those people too. If Vegeta didn't appear during something, I didn't give a **** about it. Over time it slowly became "if Vegeta or Piccolo didn't appear", then "if Vegeta/Piccolo/Freeza didn't appear" and so on.

But Vegeta will always be the best.

[CyberCubed]

So people only watch for one particular character? Am I the only person who watches shows for the majority of the main cast?

Watching for only one or two characters makes zero sense, especially since there's whole episodes and tons of scenes certain characters are not even in.

[Peanut]

I think I'm going to do what CyberCubed did with Avatar and watch this series for the first time and then be completely out of touch and insane with my critique! Watch for it!

[pennydreadful]

So people only watch for one particular character? Am I the only person who watches shows for the majority of the main cast?

Watching for only one or two characters makes zero sense, especially since there's whole episodes and tons of scenes certain characters are not even in.

Stop saying "Am I the only person" every second sentence. You're not better than other people just because they do things you don't; we all put our pants on one leg at a time, like every other person out there.

Seriously, who gives a crap if someone else watches a show for one character? It's not hurting you. You don't like it when others take shots at you for how you spend your time.

Why don't you stop hiding behind your Comic Book Guy persona and show the real you sometime - I'd wager there's a likeable person back there if you dropped the mask.

[Netkeeper]

Am I the only person who watches shows for the majority of the main cast?
Stop saying "Am I the only person" every second sentence.
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[pennydreadful]

http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/13/136377/2332338-am_i_the_only_one.jpg

[DarkFell]

Really got into TFS DB Abridged. Since I've seen a good deal of the episodes (and lots of filler episodes), the abridged versions are pretty funny IMO.

Gonna have to go with the Cell Saga episodes as my fave. It was also fun watch Son Gohan take Cell down a few pegs in the later episodes of The Cell Games.

[pandaderek]

My worst experience with Dragon Ball Z is when Cartoon Network kept replaying the whole Namik series from the beginning because they didn't have the whole series, at that time. So, one day, they'd have a new episode, then, the next day, they start from the beginning.

[DarkFell]

My worst experience with Dragon Ball Z is when Cartoon Network kept replaying the whole Namik series from the beginning because they didn't have the whole series, at that time. So, one day, they'd have a new episode, then, the next day, they start from the beginning.
I remember that as well..which is why I was beyond excited when the Trunks Saga was finally shown. Because we finally got to leave Planet Namek BEHIND.

[Netkeeper]

Yeah, those were some dark times, and I definitely think it contributed to Trunks' popularity as well.

[shuriken]

Anybody check out team four star's DBZ Abridged series? It's fun stuff.

[DarkFell]

Anybody check out team four star's DBZ Abridged series? It's fun stuff.
Oh yes I have. Even got to meet them in person when they came to my city's last anime con.
They were a trip.

[TheCanadiandrome]

I think I'm going to do what CyberCubed did with Avatar and watch this series for the first time and then be completely out of touch and insane with my critique! Watch for it!

This made me lol :lol:

[Slade]

My worst experience with Dragon Ball Z is when Cartoon Network kept replaying the whole Namik series from the beginning because they didn't have the whole series, at that time. So, one day, they'd have a new episode, then, the next day, they start from the beginning.

I remember that as well..which is why I was beyond excited when the Trunks Saga was finally shown. Because we finally got to leave Planet Namek BEHIND.

Yeah, those were some dark times, and I definitely think it contributed to Trunks' popularity as well.

God damn, did it take forever. I was in 5th grade when I first starting watching the show. Funny thing, nobody in my school knew what it was. Get to 6th, it's right under Poke'mon in popularity..

Anyway, I'm not entirely sure, but I think the VHS tapes came out before the episoded aired. Not sure like I said, but I know I got them and watched them before I saw Trunks on Toonami.

[Mandy Chan]

Ha I love Dragonball Z. It was one of the Anime series that acutely got me in to Anime. Dragonball is fun, but I totally despise GT..

[Allio]

Hoping to get Xenoverse, gonna make me a 10/10 Majin girl
http://i.imgur.com/vVxf6Km.gif

Probably call her Robin or Zelda (for the obvious joke)

[TheCanadiandrome]

rofl! nice one Allio

[DarkFell]

Hoping to get Xenoverse, gonna make me a 10/10 Majin girl
http://i.imgur.com/vVxf6Km.gif

Probably call her Robin or Zelda (for the obvious joke)
I think I recognize that female Buu character. I know someone on Deviantart that made her as an OC character.
http://epe-tohri.deviantart.com/art/Animation-128325264 :

[TheCanadiandrome]

i'm excited i'm going to get to meet both Chris Sabat & Mike McFarland!

[THGhost]

I've loved DBZ since it started airing on Cartoon Network in the 90s. I've never seen the original Dragon Ball but I no doubt will someday.

My favourite character has always been Vegeta and my favourite villain is Frieza. :tcool:

Still waiting for the Kai season 5 dub.

Ditto!

GT isn't canon anymore...

Was it ever? :lol:

[shuriken]

SOOOO have you guys heard of the new movie coming out bringing back Frieza? Should be neat I guess.
To Be honest I'm awaiting the next episode of team four star's abridged series more.

[DarkFell]

SOOOO have you guys heard of the new movie coming out bringing back Frieza? Should be neat I guess.
To Be honest I'm awaiting the next episode of team four star's abridged series more.
Same here. I'm curious to see what TFS does to the post Android Saga Pre-Cell Saga. I sorta feel that Frieza has had enough closure in the regular series *and movies* although I might watch the movie anyway just for the sake of curiosity.

[tmntpower1988]

I've loved DBZ since it started airing on Cartoon Network in the 90s. I've never seen the original Dragon Ball but I no doubt will someday.

My favourite character has always been Vegeta and my favourite villain is Frieza. :tcool:



Ditto!



Was it ever? :lol:

Dragon Ball is hilarious :lol: It's a really perverted show :lol: Master Roshi has me in stitches laughing every time haha

[THGhost]

Dragon Ball is hilarious :lol: It's a really perverted show :lol: Master Roshi has me in stitches laughing every time haha

Yeah, I hear it's completely different to Z in terms of tone. :lol: Once the dub for the Buu saga of Kai is released and I've watched it I'll start Dragon Ball - I'll consider it a prequel to Z. :P

[sdp]

I saw the original Dragon Ball in Mexico in the early 90s and liked it, it was a funny show with action, up to middle of the Red Ribbon Saga and then there were only repeats. In the US DB obviously didn't air because of its sexual content and no one knew of the show or other animes I had watched so I kind of forgot about it since I had no one to talk about it in the US as a kid and instead would talk about Power Rangers or whatever was popular at the time. When I returned to Mexico for they had already aired a bunch more episodes and I was surprised by how awesome the show got with more action instead of comedy and got to see the "new" episodes of the Piccolo saga. By that time there were tons of japanese DBZ posters everywhere and I couldn't wait to get to those episodes and eventually they started airing. A lot of people in Mexico got into DBZ as their first show in the series but since DB aired completely many times you found plenty of people who had already seen the entire of DB. It took forever but eventually they finished the Freeza saga, this was the peak of the franchise in Mexico and for me as well. I then moved again to the US DBZ had just began airing, but I didn't feel like re-watching all of the Freeza saga AGAIN and didn't like that people didn't appreciate who some characters were because they started with DBZ or wouldn't like DB because DBZ is so different. I did see most of the Android/Cell/Majin Buu sagas when I would go on vacation to Mexico but I was beginning now a teenager so I didn't care nor did I care when those sagas eventually came to the US since I had moved on to girls and music. When I saw DBGT which I had always wanted to watch since I remember seeing SSJ4 scans back when DBZ was only airing the Saiyan saga I liked it, I had already known about the negativity that saga had but I liked the combination of DB era adventure with DBZ action and thought the ending was really good.

I always hated how all the movies broke continuity and would think of convoluted ways to make them fit haha. So yeah I like DB but got fed up with the fandom of DBZ, but I like all of it, I haven't rewatched the show since I saw it for the first time but I do want to eventually marathon all of DB/Z/GT/Movies one of these days. It's definitely a shonen anime of its time and has great characters and story but it's far from the greatest thing ever created and many animes get shunned because of the popularity of DBZ, that's the only beef I have against the franchise.

As for DBZ revivals post-GT, I've only watched" Vegeta's brother" special and the new movie, both were enjoyable, since they were comedy oriented however I'm not sure if I'd be able to stand another "serious" DBZ type show again, after DBZ finished it had gotten pretty ridiculous that without a huge comedic tone in between like the original/GT/new specials have its hard to take seriously.

GT isn't canon anymore so it no longer matters. The 2013 DBZ movie retconned it, and they're making a sequel next year.

Isn't canon anymore? Who made that decision? Akira Toriyama? The guy who can't even remember what SSJ2 is and mentioned all SSJ forms are just small powerups and only the first SSJ form is the real one? And forgets many things from the DB lore post-Freeza saga and retcons most of his ideas? Akira Toriyama is the George Lucas of Anime and it's more than clear that he can't outgrow the Freeza saga and that its where the story should've ended since he obviously only wrote the other parts because of money and now he's trying to retract them.

**** it, I actually enjoy GT as much as the post-Freeza sagas, and the new movies don't pose many big contradictions anyway as far as I recall, there are just as many contradictions in the actual show itself. It's not like the new movie was super consistent either with the lore and personalities, even if I did enjoy the movie. So yeah, it's clear that Toriyama doesn't care about continuity as much as fans do so I always find annoying internet people telling you that "GT isn't canon because Toriyama said so", irrelevant. It's only not canon in the manga.

[THGhost]

Any recent news regarding the dub for the Buu saga of Kai yet?

Isn't canon anymore? Who made that decision? Akira Toriyama?

I think pretty much every fan decided it considering the fact that it pails in comparison to Ball & Z. And the fact that Battle Of Gods retconned it. Plus, didn't Toriyama have no involvement with it?

Growing up in the 90s, GT was never considered canon by anyone that I knew who watched it.

We're getting a little sidetracked here; the thread title is "Dragonball and Z discussion". Might wanna add GT to it. ;)

[CyberCubed]

Yeah, I hear it's completely different to Z in terms of tone. :lol: Once the dub for the Buu saga of Kai is released and I've watched it I'll start Dragon Ball - I'll consider it a prequel to Z. :P

Dragonball was a comedy with a little action until the final season.

[Netkeeper]

it's clear that Toriyama doesn't care about continuity as much as fans do so I always find annoying internet people telling you that "GT isn't canon because Toriyama said so", irrelevant. It's only not canon in the manga.
Toriyama was involved with GT, but just like the movies, it just isn't canon for the same reasons the movies aren't canon -- it's additional content and nothing more. Toriyama has even said that GT is a side story. Sure, he's not the best creator and his attitude about his own manga is pretty bad [but let's be real, he has reasons for being that way] but he's still the creator, that doesn't change because you don't like him. Your post is oozing bias, so you should take a step back and re-evaluate it.

[Slade]

Isn't canon anymore? Who made that decision? Akira Toriyama? The guy who can't even remember what SSJ2 is and mentioned all SSJ forms are just small powerups and only the first SSJ form is the real one? And forgets many things from the DB lore post-Freeza saga and retcons most of his ideas? Akira Toriyama is the George Lucas of Anime and it's more than clear that he can't outgrow the Freeza saga and that its where the story should've ended since he obviously only wrote the other parts because of money and now he's trying to retract them.

**** it, I actually enjoy GT as much as the post-Freeza sagas, and the new movies don't pose many big contradictions anyway as far as I recall, there are just as many contradictions in the actual show itself. It's not like the new movie was super consistent either with the lore and personalities, even if I did enjoy the movie. So yeah, it's clear that Toriyama doesn't care about continuity as much as fans do so I always find annoying internet people telling you that "GT isn't canon because Toriyama said so", irrelevant. It's only not canon in the manga.

Actually, I do believe he did. I think there is a new interview out there somewhere.

[Netkeeper]

Actually, I do believe he did. I think there is a new interview out there somewhere.
Yeah, as I said, Toriyama called it a side story. Non-canon.

The problem is that sdp isn't going to take that as evidence because they like GT and dislike Toriyama, instead of looking at it objectively.

[Slade]

I know he said it was a good side story, but isn't that a bit old now? I could have sworn I saw something new where he actually does say GT is not canon ever since Battle of Gods. Maybe that's it though.

[THGhost]

Dragonball was a comedy with a little action until the final season.

Sounds good. :)

Toriyama was involved with GT, but just like the movies, it just isn't canon for the same reasons the movies aren't canon -- it's additional content and nothing more.

I was under the impression that Toriyama had no involvement whatsoever, which would explain the show's overall quality. How involved was he? It can't been all that much.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who agrees that GT is non-canon. It just wouldn't make sense if it was. The only thing I liked about GT was Pan. :P

I know he said it was a good side story, but isn't that a bit old now? I could have sworn I saw something new where he actually does say GT is not canon ever since Battle of Gods. Maybe that's it though.

If there ever was any doubt, Battle of Gods definitely confirmed that GT was non-canon.

[sdp]

My question was a rhetorical one but you guys missed the point. Akira Toriyama isn't consistent on any interviews not to mention he helped make GT. I don't love GT, I don't care for it any more than I do Z. I'm a casual Dragon Ball fan and haven't watched it since I was a kid besides clips here and there, I have no stakes in the franchise nor grudges with the creator, how am I being biased? I just think it's silly fans shun GT just because they don't like it even though it was billed by Toei themselves as the continuation of Z and its content is used in DB videogames even today. I understand GT not having anything to do with the Manga canon but "Akira Toriyama's canon" is inconsistent not to mention he doesn't seem to care much for the franchise nor anything that happened to it post-namek saga in which anycase Dragon Ball Online is also "toriyama's continuation" to DBZ. The Battle of the god's movie doesn't really have big contradictions to GT anyway, you just have fans shouting it out as if vegeta's brother negates everything or whatever as if DB in general wasn't full of much bigger "canon" inconsistencies. Hell, the new movie has Freeza being a threat again because of some convoluted revival and "4 months of training". DB is dumb fun and its ridiculous that fans can get so angry about GT being canon or not when the creator doesn't take it that seriously and the show itself isn't consistent either.

edit:jeeze, apparently they made a new Bardock special and now he became a super saiyan? :lol:

[DarkFell]

edit:jeeze, apparently they made a new Bardock special and now he became a super saiyan? :lol: And yet Bardock was destroyed by Freeza along with countless other Saiya-Jin warriors that believed that the Super Saiya-Jin legend to be just a legend, and yet Bardock suddenly becomes a Super Saiya-Jin in a movie.

Does he obtain this power in Other World? That would make some sense in a movie.

[Netkeeper]

My question was a rhetorical one but you guys missed the point. Akira Toriyama isn't consistent on any interviews not to mention he helped make GT. I don't love GT, I don't care for it any more than I do Z. I'm a casual Dragon Ball fan and haven't watched it since I was a kid besides clips here and there, I have no stakes in the franchise nor grudges with the creator, how am I being biased?
Apologies, this is the part of your post I'm referring to when I called you biased:
Isn't canon anymore? Who made that decision? Akira Toriyama? The guy who can't even remember what SSJ2 is and mentioned all SSJ forms are just small powerups and only the first SSJ form is the real one? And forgets many things from the DB lore post-Freeza saga and retcons most of his ideas? Akira Toriyama is the George Lucas of Anime and it's more than clear that he can't outgrow the Freeza saga and that its where the story should've ended since he obviously only wrote the other parts because of money and now he's trying to retract them.

**** it, I actually enjoy GT as much as the post-Freeza sagas, and the new movies don't pose many big contradictions anyway as far as I recall, there are just as many contradictions in the actual show itself. It's not like the new movie was super consistent either with the lore and personalities, even if I did enjoy the movie. So yeah, it's clear that Toriyama doesn't care about continuity as much as fans do so I always find annoying internet people telling you that "GT isn't canon because Toriyama said so", irrelevant. It's only not canon in the manga.
You come across as a GT fan that doesn't like Toriyama. I myself am neutral to him, as I am most creators, that's just how I am because knowing too much about a creator usually crushes my enjoyment of their creations. And I'm a bit more than just a casual DB fan. You sound rather angry here, maybe I misread that.

I just think it's silly fans shun GT just because they don't like it even though it was billed by Toei themselves as the continuation of Z and its content is used in DB videogames even today. I understand GT not having anything to do with the Manga canon but "Akira Toriyama's canon" is inconsistent not to mention he doesn't seem to care much for the franchise nor anything that happened to it post-namek saga in which anycase Dragon Ball Online is also "toriyama's continuation" to DBZ. The Battle of the god's movie doesn't really have big contradictions to GT anyway, you just have fans shouting it out as if vegeta's brother negates everything or whatever as if DB in general wasn't full of much bigger "canon" inconsistencies. Hell, the new movie has Freeza being a threat again because of some convoluted revival and "4 months of training". DB is dumb fun and its ridiculous that fans can get so angry about GT being canon or not when the creator doesn't take it that seriously and the show itself isn't consistent either.

edit:jeeze, apparently they made a new Bardock special and now he became a super saiyan? :lol:
Fans shun GT because they don't like it, yes, and I can't speak for all of them, but if GT were declared canon, I would respect that declaration. The fact of the matter is that Toriyama, as inconsistent as he is, has never regarded GT as canon.

Now, I haven't seen Battle of Gods yet since I missed it in the theatre [gdi living in the middle of nowhere did not help matters here] but from what I understand, DB fans are treating its existence as dis-continuity of GT because Toriyama actually worked on Battle of Gods, therefore makes it part of the canon. Since Toriyama never worked on the other movies [IIRC] they aren't canon, they're side stories like GT is, with minor exceptions being the Bardock special and the History of Trunks which was adapted from the manga.

Also, part of why the movies aren't canon is because you can't place many of them on the timeline properly without creating holes, so to be fair all of them are treated as non-canon since Toriyama didn't write them as manga chapters anyway -- GT just follows the same rule. Some people also don't consider filler to be canon either, particularly anything involving Garlic Jr. Fine assessment by me, I don't really care regardless [though when I'm being serious in my evaluation of the series I don't count Garlic Jr as canon either, and in fact I usually skip over those episodes when rewatching; I don't like them, and I get nothing out of watching them].

Sure, the series has its holes even without debating the continuity of the extra side stories, but that doesn't mean everything is considered canon by the fan community just because the main story has problems. :lol:

Also yes, there was an OVA where Bardock became a Super Saiyan. Now THAT piece of work, while very enjoyable to me as a huge Bardock fan, IS FULL OF HOLES.

[DarkFell]

Also yes, there was an OVA where Bardock became a Super Saiyan. Now THAT piece of work, while very enjoyable to me as a huge Bardock fan, IS FULL OF HOLES.
Thanks Net. I've only seen the first Bardock movie and it was the TFS Abridged version. I wasn't aware that there was an OVA in which Bardock transforms in it.

[Slade]

I actually hated that Bardock special where he became a Super Saiyan. Makes to big of a mess with the entire Super Saiyan legend and all that.

But then again, no it doesn't. Since time travel makes different timelines in this series Spoilered just incase someone doesn't want to know.

[Netkeeper]

Thanks Net. I've only seen the first Bardock movie and it was the TFS Abridged version. I wasn't aware that there was an OVA in which Bardock transforms in it.
I believe TFS also did an abridged version of this OVA. It's called Episode of Bardock.

I actually hated that Bardock special where he became a Super Saiyan. Makes to big of a mess with the entire Super Saiyan legend and all that.

But then again, no it doesn't. Since time travel makes different timelines in this series Spoilered just incase someone doesn't want to know.
That SOUNDS right to me, but it's been a while since I've seen it so I don't remember exactly what happened and what all the issues with it were.

[Slade]

Well, when Frieza tosses his death ball, instead of it killing Bardock, he gets sent back in time. Some say because of the Kanassin's mind reading, though that'd make no sense. Anyway. He meets Chilled. Frieza's ancestor. Turns ssj and beats him. Tells him to beware the saiyan that can turn blonde. So people say that makes Bardock the original super saiyan.

[THGhost]

Chilled? Why must every member of Frieza's family have to be some terrible pun on things that are cold? :lol:

[Slade]

Cus that's how Toriyama did stuff. You know Saiyans are vegetables? Kakarot, Radditz, Broly...

[STORMSHADOW__210]

Loved dbz but had a bit of a slump after cell games. Am actually watching DB series for first time. About 50 episodes deep. Pretty cool. Lot more comedy

[CyberCubed]

Why do people not like the Majin Boo saga? I really enjoyed it.

You get to see nice filler arcs about Goku fighting Pikkon, Gohan in High School, Dabura is a cool villain, Majin Vegeta Vs. Goku, Super Saiyan 3 and Vegito and Gotenks, Majin Boo's forms and the epicness of them fighting a completely crazy overpowered villain who destroys the entire Earth.

Sure a lot of the older cast like Piccolo and Krillin become completely obsolete by this saga (as opposed to the others), but there's lots of good stuff.

[THGhost]

Cus that's how Toriyama did stuff. You know Saiyans are vegetables? Kakarot, Radditz, Broly...

Oh yeah, I know all about that. At least that allows for some variation. But Frieza's family is just ridiculous. :P

Why do people not like the Majin Boo saga? I really enjoyed it.

You get to see nice filler arcs about Goku fighting Pikkon, Gohan in High School, Dabura is a cool villain, Majin Vegeta Vs. Goku, Super Saiyan 3 and Vegito and Gotenks, Majin Boo's forms and the epicness of them fighting a completely crazy overpowered villain who destroys the entire Earth.

Sure a lot of the older cast like Piccolo and Krillin become completely obsolete by this saga (as opposed to the others), but there's lots of good stuff.

I loved the Buu* saga growing up. I never saw the Kid Buu saga for some reason though, really need to get to that someday.

[Netkeeper]

Majin Vegeta Vs. Goku
Also known as Saiyan Foreplay: The Fight. :lol:

[DarkFell]

This spolier seems to sum up Ultimate Majin Buu quite effectively.
http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/330/118/bfc/resized/buu-meme-generator-claims-to-be-the-mightiest-majin-gets-ass-handed-to-him-by-candy-069de2.jpeg?1356768545.jpg
I never saw much of the animated version of The Buu Saga, but I did read that volume of the manga; it was pretty cool stuff. Maybe I'll buy that DVD set whenever I get around to it.

[CyberCubed]

I was pretty excited for the Boo saga when it aired on Cartoon Network all those years ago. I knew it was the last saga of the series so it was pretty exciting knowing everything was "endgame" stuff.

I also loved that they skipped ahead a few years to see Gohan as an adult, as well as kid Trunks and Goten.

[MrTMNT2012]

Goku SSJ2 Vs. Majin Vegeta was in the Buu Saga, right? That's still the best fight in the entire Dragon Ball Series!

[shuriken]

Does he obtain this power in Other World? That would make some sense in a movie.

No he goes back in time somehow and beats up on Frieza's ancestor. I saw the abridged version and it sounds pretty terrible. The first Bardock Special is pretty well done IMO.
SOO what's everyone's favorite movie? I like Dead Zone and Cooler's Revenge.

[DarkFell]

My fave DBZ movie so far has been Wrath of the Dragon.

[Bry]

Loved dbz but had a bit of a slump after cell games. Am actually watching DB series for first time. About 50 episodes deep. Pretty cool. Lot more comedy

I've got a lot of fondness for both, but I definitely prefer the original Dragon Ball. It's got a really fun, infectious energy to it that I feel was lost the longer DBZ went on (though they recaptured it now and again - and I enjoyed "Battle of Gods" a lot for that reason). It also had a lot of fun characters who got increasingly marginalized the more the show became about exclusively about powering up (and up and up) and fighting the next apocalypse-level threat.

Then again, my first introduction to Dragon Ball was the 1995 dub, so I've got some bias toward that original concept of Kid Goku and the gang hunting for the Dragon Balls and fighting evil along the way. A big, fun big adventure where anything was possible. Hard to beat that.

Mht7phPbd0Y

[Slade]

Broly the Legebdary Super Saiyan. The Return of Coola is pretty good and Fusion Reborn.

[pennydreadful]

No he goes back in time somehow and beats up on Frieza's ancestor. I saw the abridged version and it sounds pretty terrible. The first Bardock Special is pretty well done IMO.
SOO what's everyone's favorite movie? I like Dead Zone and Cooler's Revenge.

I'd have to mark my fave as the first Bardock movie, hands-down... though I'm also very fond of The History of Trunks.

I think that we can all agree that Bio-Broly is probably the worst of all the DBZ movies. :lol:

[CyberCubed]

The Bardock and History of Trunks eps were specials, not movies.

The movies aren't part of the main continuity, but all the specials are part of the mainline continuity. Same reason the two most recent DBZ movies aren't called "Movie 14 and 15" because they want people to know its official continuity.

[pennydreadful]

*shrugs* To me, it's potato, po-tah-to, y'know? Most of the "official movies" have similar run-times to the specials (or in some cases, are shorter) - I find DBZ continuity pretty confusing at the best of times, and as it's already been pointed out, the "is it canon/is it not" debate is extremely murky, so I don't get too hung up on what fits where.

[STORMSHADOW__210]

Why do people not like the Majin Boo saga? I really enjoyed it.

You get to see nice filler arcs about Goku fighting Pikkon, Gohan in High School, Dabura is a cool villain, Majin Vegeta Vs. Goku, Super Saiyan 3 and Vegito and Gotenks, Majin Boo's forms and the epicness of them fighting a completely crazy overpowered villain who destroys the entire Earth.

Sure a lot of the older cast like Piccolo and Krillin become completely obsolete by this saga (as opposed to the others), but there's lots of good stuff.

I didn't hate it, just was at the time wasn't my favorite. Went from evil and charismatic villains like vegeeta to freeza to androids to cell- all great villains. Then as the series ended, we got a child who liked to turn people into cookies then eat them. Should of put him between android sagas and then finish series with cell. Would of completely changed the ride for the better I think.


I did eventually appreciate boo on 2nd watch through

[Netkeeper]

SOO what's everyone's favorite movie? I like Dead Zone and Cooler's Revenge.
The Bardock Special. Don't care if it's not a movie. It's the absolute best supplemental material in the series. I didn't enjoy any of the movies enough for one to stand out amongst the others, though that doesn't necessarily mean they're BAD. But for what it's worth, I watched the second Cooler movie the most.

I think that we can all agree that Bio-Broly is probably the worst of all the DBZ movies. :lol:
A-yep.

[TheCanadiandrome]

can't wait to see more DBZ

[THGhost]

Cooler's Revenge is my fave.

I think that we can all agree that Bio-Broly is probably the worst of all the DBZ movies. :lol:

Definitely the worst. :P

[Slade]

I made a group for this at one point, but nobody joined..

So, not taking into account canon problems, what do you guys think is stronger. Super Saiyan God or Super Saiyan 4?

[TheCanadiandrome]

Super Saiyan God, because isn't it implied?

[THGhost]

I made a group for this at one point, but nobody joined..

So, not taking into account canon problems, what do you guys think is stronger. Super Saiyan God or Super Saiyan 4?

Super Saiyan God, because isn't it implied?

Yep, definitely God.

[Slade]

Super Saiyan God, because isn't it implied?

As far as I remember, that's never said. Although I have to agree that ssjgod would be stronger.

The argument is since GT comes after Z, 4 should be stronger. The fact that ssjgod wasn't thought of until recently doesn't bother people with that mind frame for some reason. :roll:

[ssjup81]

Any recent news regarding the dub for the Buu saga of Kai yet?



I think pretty much every fan decided it considering the fact that it pails in comparison to Ball & Z. And the fact that Battle Of Gods retconned it. Plus, didn't Toriyama have no involvement with it?

Growing up in the 90s, GT was never considered canon by anyone that I knew who watched it.

We're getting a little sidetracked here; the thread title is "Dragonball and Z discussion". Might wanna add GT to it. ;)
I thought Dragon Ball Kai stopped after the Cell Saga. I was still in Japan when the show was airing back then. The last thing I saw before coming back home that time was Cell Saga stuff and the last ep of that, if I recall correctly. I don't recall the ep having a next episode preview or anything. I didn't watch all of Kai, would catch an ep here and there. If there's no Buu saga in Japanese, then there's nothing to dub, unless I'm wrong and they did go back to it.

[Slade]

Yeah, Kai did the Buu saga

[Netkeeper]

So, not taking into account canon problems, what do you guys think is stronger. Super Saiyan God or Super Saiyan 4?
Stop asking questions like this. Nobody cares about what is stronger than what.

[Shred Head]

I thought Dragon Ball Kai stopped after the Cell Saga. I was still in Japan when the show was airing back then. The last thing I saw before coming back home that time was Cell Saga stuff and the last ep of that, if I recall correctly. I don't recall the ep having a next episode preview or anything. I didn't watch all of Kai, would catch an ep here and there. If there's no Buu saga in Japanese, then there's nothing to dub, unless I'm wrong and they did go back to it.

Yeah Kai came back at first the idea was to just do the Buu saga version of Kai for outside of Japan since it did so well in the west. But Torico did pretty crap ratings so it replaced it in its time slot. I think there up to the Gotenks vs Buu fight now.

[Slade]

Stop asking questions like this. Nobody cares about what is stronger than what.

Actually they do. I care about what is stronger than what. It's a mother f*ckin show about who can be the strongest f*ckin warrior in the f*ckin universe. The f*ck you talkin about.

Tellin me what to do is about the dumbest f*ckin thing you can do. I can ask whatever the f*ck I want.

[Cure]

Actually they do. I care about what is stronger than what. It's a mother f*ckin show about who can be the strongest f*ckin warrior in the f*ckin universe. The f*ck you talkin about.

Tellin me what to do is about the dumbest f*ckin thing you can do. I can ask whatever the f*ck I want.

Yeah, and it's a discussion thread. It's even why power levels were made in the first place.

[Netkeeper]

LMAO DID I LEGIT MAKE YOU MAD?

Dragonball as a franchise is about a set of mystical balls that summon a wish-granting dragon. It's never been about who can be the strongest. That's stupid. The fighting in the series is about saving planets, or did you forget that?

"Who is stronger than who" discussions are not entertaining in the least and are basically "my dad can beat up ur dad" **** we all should have stopped doing or caring about by age 7.

[Slade]

Yeah except for the Saiyans/ the main f*ckin character that thrives on being the strongest warrior in existence. Or did you forget that?

Your opinion is "who's the strongest" isn't entertaining. You don't speak for everyone. Especially since there's a thousand f*cking topics about that sh*t all over the f*ckin internet.

[Netkeeper]

Oh man I actually made you mad. How hilarious. Are you 12?

Did it ever occur to you the reason WHY I don't like that topic is because you find it literally everywhere? I've been a Dragonball fan since the 90's, don't you think I've heard that discussion enough? It's boring as piss. There's so many other topics relevant to the franchise that can be discussed, don't pick the one that's been done to death.

[THGhost]

Take it to another thread guys. :roll:

Yes, Kai started doing the Buu saga. Looking forward to hearing the dub.

[Slade]

Oh man I actually made you mad. How hilarious. Are you 12?

Did it ever occur to you the reason WHY I don't like that topic is because you find it literally everywhere? I've been a Dragonball fan since the 90's, don't you think I've heard that discussion enough? It's boring as piss. There's so many other topics relevant to the franchise that can be discussed, don't pick the one that's been done to death.

Listen. I ain't even close to mad. I type how I talk. Also, don't try and pull off like your above me because I like to cuss. I promise I can type this entire response to you without doing it. Doesn't mean I will. Hope you asking an Am I 12 wasn't a form of trying to insult me? Oh and for the record, I'm older than you.

Now as for your response. This is a topic about Dragonball Z. That's a wide variety of things that are RELEVEANT to the entire franchise. It's not called only what Netkeeper likes about Dragonball Z. If you don't like the subject that's brought up, you don't have to respond.

You've been a fan since the 90's. Okay, me too. Since about 96 or so. One of the hottest topics of the franchise right now is exactly what I asked.

[Netkeeper]

Nah, you were clearly mad and now you're trying to backpedal. If you're older than me, act like it.

Guess who doesn't care if the kids in the fandom want to argue about who can beat who in a fight? Me. There's so many other entertaining things about the series to discuss. Favourite characters? Sagas? Filler episodes? Thoughts on the various dubs of the series? Now that's much more fun to discuss.

[Slade]

So you're actually trying to start a real f*ckin argument with me? Wow. Okay that's cool yo.

And like I said. It doesn't actually matter if you want to talk about it or not. Thread ain't just for little ol Netkeeper is it? You don't like the question, don't respond.

Besides the fact that I ain't even talkin about who could beat who in a fight. I asked which version of a character is the f*ckin strongest. 1 character.

[Cure]

I think the reason Super Saiyan God is stronger is not just because of the name, but because other people's power is required for it. Power of friendship and all that.

[Slade]

I think the reason Super Saiyan God is stronger is not just because of the name, but because other people's power is required for it. Power of friendship and all that.

Makes the most sense to me.

[TheCanadiandrome]

As far as I remember, that's never said. Although I have to agree that ssjgod would be stronger.

The argument is since GT comes after Z, 4 should be stronger. The fact that ssjgod wasn't thought of until recently doesn't bother people with that mind frame for some reason. :roll:

yeah that's true

[ssjup81]

There's SSJ God level now? Mind briefly filling me in?

[Cure]

There's SSJ God level now? Mind briefly filling me in?

It premiered in the last movie.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/KevMan87/3087015-4408324517-29534_zps056ff36c.png?t=1424916265

He powers up by borrowing the strength of others.

[Slade]

Tht pic looks better than the official. :lol:

Not that it's that much of a difference though.

[Cure]

Oh, my bad, I didn't realize. I just chose the first thing Google threw at me, haha.

[Bry]

It premiered in the last movie.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/KevMan87/3087015-4408324517-29534_zps056ff36c.png?t=1424916265

He powers up by borrowing the strength of others.

Specfiically, five Saiyans with "righteous hearts".

Two things I loved about this - one, that Goku's "ultimate form" was visually distinct from the increasingly beefed-up and giant-yellow-haired Super Saiyan levels as a skinnier, red-haired "standard Goku" look, and two, that Vegeta's full character growth was firmly established/stated (especially considering he got his "righteous heart" moment after he humiliated himself to protect his friends/the planet at Bulma's birthday).

I dunno. I just really liked the movie. The first new, "real" Dragon Ball in a while and it came back really strong, IMO.

[Slade]

Oh, my bad, I didn't realize. I just chose the first thing Google threw at me, haha.

It's just the eyes and hair that's different. I actually like that better than the real deal.

http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac134/kaleltheking/13E7CD18-CC33-44AA-8E05-6B612D1160E8.jpg (http://s893.photobucket.com/user/kaleltheking/media/13E7CD18-CC33-44AA-8E05-6B612D1160E8.jpg.html)

[CyberCubed]

I wonder if the Super Saiyan God form having red hair is supposed to explain why SS4 Gogeta has red hair in GT.

Its still possible they'll bring back SS4 forms and Gogeta if these movies continue and keep them in "canon" while the rest of GT is forgotten. The fact that Super Saiyan 4 forms are still in the newest videogame for PS4 proves they're not letting them be forgotten.

[shuriken]

^^ I guess if you gotta take something from GT, might as well be SSJ4.

[BabyTurtles]

sooo did anyone buy that new DragonBall Z game?

Dragonball Xenoverse?

deciding if I should give it a try. (I always wanted to be a girl super saiyan XD)

[MrTMNT2012]

What's your favourite DBZ Game?

Mine is a tie between Budokai 3 & Hyper DBZ!

(Honourable mention to DBZ: Xenoverse for being the first good DBZ game in years!)

[Netkeeper]

Budokai 3 all the way. Couldn't stand the Tenkaichi games.

Legacy of Goku II was also wonderful.

[shuriken]

Legacy of Goku 2 and Budokai 2. Haven't played 3 but I figure its not too different from 1 and 2.

[Slade]

Last one I played that I enjoyed was Budokai Tenkaichi 3

[Netkeeper]

Legacy of Goku 2 and Budokai 2. Haven't played 3 but I figure its not too different from 1 and 2.
It isn't very different, no, but that's what I liked about it I think.

I wish they'd kept with the Budokai formula, really. It was easy to figure out and there weren't any hideous camera angles and control schemes to deal with.

[CyberCubed]

This thread is making me nostalgic. I used to be a huge DBZ fan when I was younger and I've seen the entire series a few times as well as all of Dragonball, GT and the movies.

But after say 2007 or so I just kinda fell out of it and never went back to it. I did watch the new movies they released like the one with Vegeta's brother, the 14th movie and I'm looking forward to the new one with Freeza again.

Its kinda strange how as kids/teens we can be so obsessed with a franchise and then completely fall out of it and never go back to it for years. I will revisit the series someday though.

[Slade]

Besides the fact that there's a PR fan film out, there's a new DBZ one out too. Anybody see it yet?

[shuriken]

^^ Yeah based on the history of Trunks. I like it better than the PR fan film honestly. That one felt kinda I dunno, outta place.

[Netkeeper]

Its kinda strange how as kids/teens we can be so obsessed with a franchise and then completely fall out of it and never go back to it for years. I will revisit the series someday though.
I know what you mean. I never fell out of love with Dragonball, but I dropped so many other franchises [TMNT was one of them, actually] only to come back to them eventually. I don't think there are very many I've ever actually abandoned, though.

[Bry]

My Valentine's Day gift from my wife was actually the 6th and 7th DBZ Blu-ray "seasons". I'd been pretty spotty with the dub airings at that point when I was younger, so it's been fun watching them full and uncut for the first time.

I just finished "S6"/the Cell Games arc, and I totally get why this was meant to be the big finale - lots of callbacks, lots of character growth explicitly called out (Krillin, Piccolo, Vegeta, etc), and the torch being firmly passed to Gohan... well, for now. Cell wasn't the most interesting villain, IMO, but considering he had cells of a ton of previous characters mixed in, it worked pretty well. It kind of represents the best and worst of DBZ in a way - it had some serious emotional significance, but a lot of its worst storytelling tics were on full display.

[CyberCubed]

My Valentine's Day gift from my wife was actually the 6th and 7th DBZ Blu-ray "seasons". I'd been pretty spotty with the dub airings at that point when I was younger, so it's been fun watching them full and uncut for the first time.

I just finished "S6"/the Cell Games arc, and I totally get why this was meant to be the big finale - lots of callbacks, lots of character growth explicitly called out (Krillin, Piccolo, Vegeta, etc), and the torch being firmly passed to Gohan... well, for now. Cell wasn't the most interesting villain, IMO, but considering he had cells of a ton of previous characters mixed in, it worked pretty well. It kind of represents the best and worst of DBZ in a way - it had some serious emotional significance, but a lot of its worst storytelling tics were on full display.

Out of curiosity are you watching the dub or the Japanese version?

[shuriken]

It kind of represents the best and worst of DBZ in a way - it had some serious emotional significance, but a lot of its worst storytelling tics were on full display.

SOOO in you your opinion what were the worst story telling tics that were on display?

[MrTMNT2012]

I loved Battle of Gods but Frieza's Resurrection seems like it's taking 5 steps backwards in everything it's trying to do. :(

The plot is unbelievably cliche (even by DBZ standards), the animation looks clunky and sluggish, pointless recurring characters and ANOTHER Goku-centred movie?! We just had one of the most well-developed arcs with Goku, can we PLEASE move on to Gohan or Vegeta?

Bringing the weakest villain back isn't exactly what I'd call 'exciting' or 'threatening'....

[Bry]

Out of curiosity are you watching the dub or the Japanese version?

Alternating between the two. Sometimes I'm multi-tasking (drawing, cooking, tidying up) so I'll put on the dub when I can't read along the whole time.

The dub's definitely clunkier between the two, but having the original music back helps a lot.

SOOO in you your opinion what were the worst story telling tics that were on display?

Mostly pacing issues. Drawn out battles (with the usual extended power-up/stare-down scenes), those somewhat regular "minutes of reactions from everyone watching" sequences, numerous (and long) flashbacks to things that just happened, and the trusty "we beat the villain, no wait he's back, hey we beat him for real this time" trick.

In hindsight, the Frieza saga was probably worse for this. And the manga (and Kai) don't have this problem to the same degree. I mean, I still really like the series and I'm collecting the full releases for a reason! But I think it's okay to acknowledge that the things I enjoy can have flaws.

[Netkeeper]

Bringing Freeza back is being done because he's probably the most popular villain in the series. And for good reason, too -- the stakes were at an absolute high when facing him [Cell didn't have this, and while Buu did have this, we were already pretty desensitized as viewers at that point] and he was really the first huge threat like it that they'd ever faced.

That said, I feel as a character and as a villain, Freeza was at his best in the Bardock special. I wish we could have gotten more side stories about him when he was this insurmountable threat. I loved that.

[CyberCubed]

The other thing is Freeza was killed by Future Trunks in an anti-climatic way just to show people how powerful Trunks was and to let everyone know the Androids were even stronger.

I always felt Freeza's final death should have come from either Goku or Vegeta, or even Gohan. Freeza was the "ultimate villain" tied into Goku's backstory so seeing him get a "real final battle" as opposed to Future Trunks killing him would be nice.

Keep in mind Freeza was also knocked out by Pikkon in the first Boo saga episode while in Hell, and in GT we see him again in Hell with Cell.

[Mew]

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Hehe lol!

[Netkeeper]

The other thing is Freeza was killed by Future Trunks in an anti-climatic way just to show people how powerful Trunks was and to let everyone know the Androids were even stronger.

I always felt Freeza's final death should have come from either Goku or Vegeta, or even Gohan. Freeza was the "ultimate villain" tied into Goku's backstory so seeing him get a "real final battle" as opposed to Future Trunks killing him would be nice.

Keep in mind Freeza was also knocked out by Pikkon in the first Boo saga episode while in Hell, and in GT we see him again in Hell with Cell.
I don't really mind Trunks being the one to kill Freeza, but it WAS bad storytelling in any case. I wouldn't have been as keen on Gohan being the one to do it, since Freeza was not nearly as significant to him unlike Goku or Vegeta. Vegeta especially.

But I thought it was really cool that Freeza met his end by the hands of the grandson of the Saiyan king, so that does redeem the bad taste the anti-climacticness of the fight left in my mouth somewhat.

[sdp]

Yes, Freeza is the ultimate villain but storywise he was made irrelevant as much of the DB cast has after his arc. The problem with DB is that each new enemy was always "X times" more powerful than the last. Another problem is Akira Toriyama just couldn't get rid of the cast and by the start of DBZ we already had this huge ****ing cast of DB characters who really had no purpose anymore. I can't even understand how the likes of Yamcha, Tien and others have gotten fans if a person started watching the show with DBZ, by that time all those characters were pretty much useless and any impact they had in DBZ was when they were killed in the saiyan saga which if you hadn't watched DB you wouldn't even have felt that bad about it since you didn't see them be rivals and then become friends of Goku. That's what made Nappa and Vegeta such a threat, not sure how anyone could have started with DBZ and felt them as big of a threat as they were without watching more than 150 episodes before where you saw their relationship with Goku.

I just think Toriyama couldn't let go of the characters, I mean I liked them and was happy they came back but when you saw this huge cast of characters that did absolutely nothing later on would make me mad. I mean how many characters were once rivals(or enemies) of Goku only to become his friend later on? Krilling, Yamcha, Ox King, Tien, Chaotzu, Piccolo, Android 18, Vegeta hell even Buu and all of these just from the top of my head I'm sure I'm missing a few. It was clear Freeza nor his father could handle a Super Saiyan and now that they've gone many times beyond that its ridiculous to think they can become a threat. It was understandable they couldn't make Yamcha Saiyan level later on but even Piccolo struggled to keep up in all of the later Z sagas.

Don't get me wrong it was awesome to have this next "huge and bigger" threat with each enemy but if you over do it it just diminishes everything else. It could've been handled better like other franchises say Power Rangers, Lord Zedd from the original seasons is still as much of a threat to Power Rangers as the new evil guy in the new season, no one is "many times more powerful than before". In fact Power Rangers is a great example because at first they did market things as being "more powerful" it wasn't until MMPR finished that they realized each season couldn't be "More powerful" than the last since it'd be ridiculous and it worked out for the best.

[CyberCubed]

The Androids weren't necessarily stronger than Freeza, only Cell was. Dr. Gero and Android 19 were below Freeza's level its just that Goku got attacked by the heart virus. 17, 18 and 16 were the only ones more powerful than a standard Super Saiyan/Freeza.

Likewise Majin Boo was sealed away for years which is why nobody knew about him. Dabura was also confirmed to be as powerful as Cell was, but since he was from the Demon World nobody in space would know about him.

The movie villains are out-of-continuity so they don't really matter.

[Netkeeper]

The Androids weren't necessarily stronger than Freeza, only Cell was. Dr. Gero and Android 19 were below Freeza's level its just that Goku got attacked by the heart virus. 17, 18 and 16 were the only ones more powerful than a standard Super Saiyan/Freeza.
But 17 and 18 were the androids that Trunks came to warn Goku and friends about, so those are the ones that are obviously being referred to.

[shuriken]

You know what kinda irked me? If Cell was made from all of the strongest fighter IE Krillin, Goku, Tien, Vegeta, Piccolo and Freeza. How was Gero able to get Freeza's DNA if the tracking bug was destroyed by the Saiyan battle? Did he find the dust left by Trunks or how the hell did that happen?

[DarkFell]

Maybe Gero made another tracking bug; perhaps two were sent out and only one made it back to the lab and that bug would eventually be destroyed by Piccolo some years later.

Or because it is a never-to-be-explained plothole because it remained as a never-was-explained plothole.

I never gave it much thought honestly.
http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/34300000/Funny-Cell-fanart-dragon-ball-z-34320882-491-700.png]

[CyberCubed]

You know what kinda irked me? If Cell was made from all of the strongest fighter IE Krillin, Goku, Tien, Vegeta, Piccolo and Freeza. How was Gero able to get Freeza's DNA if the tracking bug was destroyed by the Saiyan battle? Did he find the dust left by Trunks or how the hell did that happen?

They explained that. Gero got Freeza's DNA when he and King Cold came to Earth.

[THGhost]

Frieza's God form has been leaked!

http://www.junkiemonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/XH68GNF.png

http://www.junkiemonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/llvwDpB.jpg

http://www.junkiemonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/3VcQvj9.jpg

http://www.junkiemonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/szyUbmi.jpg

Not sure what I think about it yet. I was expecting something... different? It looks exactly the same as his 4th form, just with different colours.

[Cure]

Spoilers, man, come on.

[shuriken]

^^I agree. But meh to the design anyway.
They explained that. Gero got Freeza's DNA when he and King Cold came to Earth.

Really? Alright. To be honest its still kinda difficult to believe that he was able to get dna from each of them and have them not know about it.
Then again suspension of disbelief and all that...

[THGhost]

My apologies. Spoiler tag added. But it's not like Frieza's God form isn't going to be in every trailer or on every poster for this movie. We're all gonna be exposed to it eventually. :P

suspension of disbelief and all that...

DBZ in a nutshell. :P

[Slade]

Frieza's God form has been leaked!

http://www.junkiemonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/XH68GNF.png

http://www.junkiemonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/llvwDpB.jpg

http://www.junkiemonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/3VcQvj9.jpg

http://www.junkiemonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/szyUbmi.jpg

Not sure what I think about it yet. I was expecting something... different? It looks exactly the same as his 4th form, just with different colours.

Well his "4th" form is his true form and Goku in god mode is basically his base form with a red tint...and smaller frame...

Not sure if I like the colors though.

Aslo, is that really foreal? Cus the first 2 picks look straight from the anime and the last looks from a game.

[MrTMNT2012]

Think I'm starting to warm up to this movie, especially after that new trailer! :)

REALLY hoping Vegeta gets his revenge now...

[CyberCubed]

You know they'll probably have Goku finish him off. Its too bad Gohan looks like he's going to be nothing more than canon fodder judging by the trailer. When will Gohan ever become the hero again?

Also no Trunks or Goten in the movie at all? Odd.

[neatoman]

You know they'll probably have Goku finish him off. Its too bad Gohan looks like he's going to be nothing more than canon fodder judging by the trailer. When will Gohan ever become the hero again?

Also no Trunks or Goten in the movie at all? Odd.

Freeza has a flashback to when Trunks killed him.

[CyberCubed]

Freeza has a flashback to when Trunks killed him.

I meant child Trunks.

[neatoman]

I meant child Trunks.

Eh, technically Trunks is still in the movie.

[turtlefanforever]

can't wait

[Netkeeper]

Man, you know what I've always disliked about Freeza revivals?

Always using his fourth form. Seriously, I preferred his first.

[TheCanadiandrome]

can't wait

ditto man, ditto

[THGhost]

IGN News posted a story on their YouTube page about the new movie's latest trailer showing off Freiza's "God" form. They used this as the video's thumbnail:

(Large image inside)https://i.ytimg.com/vi/BDROT4-CevQ/maxresdefault.jpg

However, that form never appeared in the trailer. Instead it showed the same form from the leaked images on the previous page. So they are in fact legit. One can only guess what the heck the thumbnail is. :P

[TheCanadiandrome]

IGN News posted a story on their YouTube page about the new movie's latest trailer showing off Freiza's "God" form. They used this as the video's thumbnail:

(Large image inside)https://i.ytimg.com/vi/BDROT4-CevQ/maxresdefault.jpg

However, that form never appeared in the trailer. Instead it showed the same form from the leaked images on the previous page. So they are in fact legit. One can only guess what the heck the thumbnail is. :P


woah

that looks almost robotic?! i kinda don't like that pic

[THGhost]

woah

that looks almost robotic?! i kinda don't like that pic

I know, right? I'm having trouble deciding whether or not I'd prefer it to what they're going with or not. :P

[TheCanadiandrome]

what's the release date? i may have missed it

[Peanut]

I watched my first DBZ thing ever last week (while crazy drunk) and it was about what I expected it to be.

I also watched Toriko X Dragonball X One Piece, which was dumb fun.

[THGhost]

what's the release date? i may have missed it

April 18th in Japan.

[Netkeeper]

I watched my first DBZ thing ever last week (while crazy drunk) and it was about what I expected it to be.
Haha, do you remember what it was? A movie/episode/etc?

[MrTMNT2012]

I watched my first DBZ thing ever last week (while crazy drunk) and it was about what I expected it to be.

I also watched Toriko X Dragonball X One Piece, which was dumb fun.

It's unbelievable how One Piece does EVERYTHING Dragon Ball does 10X better!

[TheCanadiandrome]

April 18th in Japan.

ah bummer. which means we could be waiting awhile for a US English dubbed release

[THGhost]

ah bummer. which means we could be waiting awhile for a US English dubbed release

Yep, hopefully not as long as last time though. Battle of Gods' dub took forever since Fox made the movie and had to give Funimation permission to dub it.

[TheCanadiandrome]

oh cripes that doesn't vote confidence lol

[CyberCubed]

FUNI also never dubbed the 2008 Jump special which was the first new DBZ special/movie since 1997.

[sdp]

How many times have they redubbed the original anime and they still haven't dubbed the special? Talk about odd. Could be a rights issue? Or maybe they didn't know how they'd be able to release it? Still it sounds pretty silly. I don't think any of the recent specials have been dubbed in any language either.

[Shred Head]

To those wondering when America gets this movie its been answered and apparently a week before Japan's official release date. Sadly it wont be dubbed you will have to wait for the Summer 2015 release for the dubb. But either way that's pretty damn awesome. Never even thought this was possible but it really seems like Funi has stepped up there game. Anime industry really needs to do more of these quick releases of big properties.

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2015/03/15/funimation-acquires-2015-dbz-movie-resurrection-f/

It’s the news fans have been waiting for! FUNimation Entertainment is proud to announce its acquisition of the theatrical, home entertainment, video on demand and broadcast rights to the upcoming Japanese animated feature film Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection ‘F’.

Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection ‘F’ represents the nineteenth feature film in the Dragon Ball series. Series creator Akira Toriyama was directly involved in the film’s production, just as he was in the highly successful Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods. The English dub of the new film will be released in theaters across North America in Summer 2015.

However, fans of the franchise may not have to wait until summer to get a look at the film! FUNimation Entertainment has teamed up with 20th Century FOX & Toei Animation to host the world premiere of Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection ‘F’ (in Japanese w/ English subtitles) at the Egyptian Theatre in Los Angeles, CA on Saturday, April 11. So, if you’re in the Los Angeles area you can be among the first in the world to see Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection ‘F’. A limited amount of tickets to the premiere will be available to fans and the general public beginning today at dragonballz.com.

[TheCanadiandrome]

Well I won't be in the LA area so I'm waitin til summer

[Bry]

To those wondering when America gets this movie its been answered and apparently a week before Japan's official release date. Sadly it wont be dubbed you will have to wait for the Summer 2015 release for the dubb. But either way that's pretty damn awesome. Never even thought this was possible but it really seems like Funi has stepped up there game. Anime industry really needs to do more of these quick releases of big properties.

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2015/03/15/funimation-acquires-2015-dbz-movie-resurrection-f/

Very cool! Glad to hear it's being brought over this soon. Though I guess it's not surprising considering how well Battle of Gods did.

My local theatre had a couple screenings of that last summer, so hopefully they'll bring this in too.

[TurtleTitan97]

Finally managed to finish watching "Z" for the first time through last week. Really great stuff. The Majin Buu story arc wasn't all that bad as I heard from some people, imo. I thought Battle of Gods was fantastic, not to mention hilarious. Really looking forward to the sequel.

Started watching GT out of curiosity a few days ago. It's alright, but definitely weaker in terms of storytelling compared to the first two series.

[CyberCubed]

Are you watching the dub or the Japanese version with subtitles?

[Peanut]

Haha, do you remember what it was? A movie/episode/etc?

I think it was a movie? There was some little green guy and I think someone got kidnapped, Goku's kid? He got drunk from a tree and then Goku fought some guys. Mad fuzzy in my head now lol.

Anyways, I watched a few of what the Internet has deemed "choice cuts" from DBZ at like 4 am while trying to fall asleep, which admittedly is the worst way to try and gauge any anime, but and I can tell Dragonball will never be my thing. I think maybe if I had the patience to watch it when it was a "thing" I probably could have enjoyed it, but I don't know that I can step back and look at DBZ through a lens that isn't skewed by One Piece.

[Netkeeper]

I think it was a movie? There was some little green guy and I think someone got kidnapped, Goku's kid? He got drunk from a tree and then Goku fought some guys. Mad fuzzy in my head now lol.

Anyways, I watched a few of what the Internet has deemed "choice cuts" from DBZ at like 4 am while trying to fall asleep, which admittedly is the worst way to try and gauge any anime, but and I can tell Dragonball will never be my thing. I think maybe if I had the patience to watch it when it was a "thing" I probably could have enjoyed it, but I don't know that I can step back and look at DBZ through a lens that isn't skewed by One Piece.
Haha, that's Dead Zone, the first movie.

But yeah I can agree that it's probably not going to be your thing -- I can't imagine Dragonball being easy to "get" nowadays. I feel like it's something better understood and liked if you caught it while it was relevant, especially since it created or established a lot of shounen storytelling and tropes. It's the original, which means there are going to be glaring flaws that later anime didn't have because they improved upon what Dragonball established.

Sort of like a classic Horror film, I suppose.

[TurtleTitan97]

Are you watching the dub or the Japanese version with subtitles?

I'm watching the dubbed version.

[sdp]

How is DBZ a "product of its time"? It became popular/started airing in the US ten years after its original airing. DBZ movies while they do show what the anime is about in a small movie the stakes are not felt like in the series. You'd really have to start from the beginning and if you don't like the Saiyan saga then yeah it's not for you. There's a lot of filler there though.

I actually think Peanut would enjoy the series if he started with the original Dragon Ball, it's much different than DBZ. It's an Adventure/Comedy with action. The world is filled with imagination and ideas and it's really about a journey, the action is not its main focus but is awesome. Great show. The end of Dragon Ball is a little more action oriented and it's still good but it goes over the top with DBZ when it's not only no longer an Adventure show but just action and most of the world building from DB is gone. DBZ is fun if you only expect cool fights and nothing else, but the whole power level thing gets ridiculous after the Freeza saga. GT on the other hand tried to go back to the magic of DB which is why fans hate it since they were first introduced to DBZ and not DB, the second half is a little more like DBZ but with the fun of DB. I still don't understand like I mentioned earlier how people can enjoy some of the secondary characters in DBZ if you didn't see DB first.

[TheCanadiandrome]

Crunchyroll needs to add DB and DBZ damn it! lol

[Netkeeper]

How is DBZ a "product of its time"? It became popular/started airing in the US ten years after its original airing. DBZ movies while they do show what the anime is about in a small movie the stakes are not felt like in the series. You'd really have to start from the beginning and if you don't like the Saiyan saga then yeah it's not for you. There's a lot of filler there though.

I actually think Peanut would enjoy the series if he started with the original Dragon Ball, it's much different than DBZ. It's an Adventure/Comedy with action. The world is filled with imagination and ideas and it's really about a journey, the action is not its main focus but is awesome. Great show. The end of Dragon Ball is a little more action oriented and it's still good but it goes over the top with DBZ when it's not only no longer an Adventure show but just action and most of the world building from DB is gone. DBZ is fun if you only expect cool fights and nothing else, but the whole power level thing gets ridiculous after the Freeza saga. GT on the other hand tried to go back to the magic of DB which is why fans hate it since they were first introduced to DBZ and not DB, the second half is a little more like DBZ but with the fun of DB. I still don't understand like I mentioned earlier how people can enjoy some of the secondary characters in DBZ if you didn't see DB first.
Dragonball is still very much a product of its time over here, because it aired over here when dubbed anime was still a new concept. We weren't familiar with shounen's tropes and storytelling style, so Dragonball still worked just fine.

Though I do agree that with getting an adult into the series, the original Dragonball is the best way to do it. But that doesn't mean they'll like Z. I know plenty of adults that like DB, but not Z.

[THGhost]

Dragonball is still very much a product of its time over here, because it aired over here when dubbed anime was still a new concept. We weren't familiar with shounen's tropes and storytelling style, so Dragonball still worked just fine.

Though I do agree that with getting an adult into the series, the original Dragonball is the best way to do it. But that doesn't mean they'll like Z. I know plenty of adults that like DB, but not Z.

Practically everyone I know who loves Z has never watched DB, including myself. :P This is no doubt because, to my knowledge, DB has never aired on Cartoon Network UK. If it has, then we all missed it.

[CyberCubed]

Dragonball is a great series. The filler doesn't drag on as much as DBZ does and seeing Goku as a kid going on adventures with Bulma, Krillin and Yamcha is fantastic. Also Master Roshi is at his best in Dragonball.

I also loved all 3 tournaments in Dragonball. Seeing Goku get better at each one and the final one against Piccolo himself was fantastic. Anyone here who never saw Dragonball before go track down the FUNimation dub or Japanese version and watch through it.

[THGhost]

Dragonball is a great series. The filler doesn't drag on as much as DBZ does and seeing Goku as a kid going on adventures with Bulma, Krillin and Yamcha is fantastic. Also Master Roshi is at his best in Dragonball.

I also loved all 3 tournaments in Dragonball. Seeing Goku get better at each one and the final one against Piccolo himself was fantastic. Anyone here who never saw Dragonball before go track down the FUNimation dub or Japanese version and watch through it.

Oh I intend to, right after I finish re-watching all of Z and reading its Manga. :tcool:

[CyberCubed]

The upcoming movie made me nostalgic so I've been watching several memorable DBZ moments on youtube. I don't have the time to watch the entire series anytime soon so youtube if a great way to relive some of the best moments for the time being. Funnily enough all the top moments I remember are up there in youtube clips.

One thing that bugged me is Android 18 never did much fighting during the Buu saga. I mean she's stronger than a Super Saiyan for goodness sakes, stronger than all the humans on the planet, and yet the story leaves her with Bulma, Chi Chi, and Videl like she's just an average human. Like...what?

Is Android 18 even in the new movie? She should be out there fighting Freeza's men with the rest of them especially since Krillin and Tien are.

[THGhost]

Is Android 18 even in the new movie? She should be out there fighting Freeza's men with the rest of them especially since Krillin and Tien are.

She's credited, so I'd assume so. Hopefully she'll actually get to do something this time.

[MrTMNT2012]

Just when I was beginning to have some faith in the Resurrection of Frieza Movie, Toriyama goes and f##ks it all royally up!

Have you guys read the spoilers? I mean, WOW even by DBZ standards this is stupid. Vegeta fans are gonna hate this movie...

[CyberCubed]

Are you referring to the new transformations? Blue-hair Super Saiyan God is apparently what the Red hair form from the last movie is while already being in powered-up Super Saiyan mode.

If you're referring to who is the one who finally defeats Freiza for good? Are you really surprised? I would have liked to see someone else be the hero for once but its expected.

[Slade]

Just when I was beginning to have some faith in the Resurrection of Frieza Movie, Toriyama goes and f##ks it all royally up!

Have you guys read the spoilers? I mean, WOW even by DBZ standards this is stupid. Vegeta fans are gonna hate this movie...

This sounds wonderful.......

Are you referring to the new transformations? Blue-hair Super Saiyan God is apparently what the Red hair form from the last movie is while already being in powered-up Super Saiyan mode.

If you're referring to who is the one who finally defeats Freiza for good? Are you really surprised? I would have liked to see someone else be the hero for once but its expected.

Where'd you find that? I can't did it anywhere.


Edit:nevermind I found the sh*t

[Bry]

The only treatment of Vegeta that would annoy me would be reverting his character growth. Him (eventually, begrudgingly) accepting he's outclassed by Goku, developing real emotional bonds and becoming an actual hero is what redeems him and makes him more interesting, IMO.

[MrTMNT2012]

I actually don't mind the Blue-hair thing. The analogy with the flame aura is probably the smartest design choice Toriyama has come up with yet!

It's the hack time travel thing I'm seriously tired of. After Battle of Gods, I expected them to stop with this formulaic storytelling BS but nope I guess Toriyama is just THAT disconnected with his fans...

[CyberCubed]

Also apparently Gohan doesn't do as badly in the movie as thought

[sdp]

I think fans not liking it is a case of fans still taking DBZ too seriously. Like stated many times in the thread things got plenty of ridiculous as the show went on so yeah this movie is ridiculous and you need to see it as nothing but fan service a "one more time" type of thing and not the continuation of the storyline, that's how I see it since things are only going to get more out there as they make these movies, but they're once every so often events and not weekly episodes. If you are ok with Freeza reviving and being a threat again or with the past movies god mode then you shouldn't have a problem here. I actually only really enjoyed the last movie because it was so comedy oriented like Vegeta's brother special. Supersaiyan god form with blue hair? Makes no sense but still awesome. But goes to show how SSJ4 is by far the least offender of power ups for GT haters. Enjoy it for what it is. The Z-fighters being jobbers and Goku taking the glory is nothing new and is not going to change.

[Bry]

I mean, it's a series full of characters with theme/pun names and one of the last "big bads" turned people into candy. At its best it's always had a huge sense of humour about itself. "Battle of Gods" was mostly a comedy, and that's what I loved about it too.

If it's got big action, genuine emotion, treats (most of) the characters well and has a solid sense of humour I'm sure it'll be very enjoyable.

[MrTMNT2012]

Here we go:
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To be honest this is my new favourite Transformation! Still highly skeptical about the movie though...

[CyberCubed]

Notice the Japanese guy on the bottom laughing once he see's the blue Super Saiyan Goku.

[oldmanwinters]

Last week, I bought the Dragonball "Season 2" blue brick DVD boxset from a pawn shop for $4. It was the last batch of episodes I didn't own on DVD (for most of the reason, I've got the old "saga sets"). It's enjoyable to watch Goku take out the entire Red Ribbon Army again. But this time, I can see it with subtitles for a more accurate translation.

I was always curious why DBZ tried to revive the Red Ribbon connection by mentioning Dr. Gero as the original creator of all the androids, but that's clearly not in continuity with the established Dragonball canon. I assumed it came about through poor translations that created more problems than it solved.

[TheCanadiandrome]

i'm so happy to have the Funimation App on my PS4! been watching DBGT

[DarkFell]

Is there a Cell God transformation in this movie? I liked him in the series for some damn reason.

Oh here, Cell's Theme Dubstep Remix for anyone that is interested. It's what I'm currently listening to at the moment.
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Don't worry; I won't put any more music videos into this thread; I am aware that there is a thread for that.

[MrTMNT2012]

A certain training scene has been leaked and honestly...this is all I wanted out of this movie!

Actual character development, plot progression and introspective dynamics being explored. Also, apparently Vegeta has the single best scene in the entire movie so I'm happy with that even though I haven't seen it yet...

Most importantly, Vegeta can go SSJ2 while in SSG mode whereas Goku can only go SSJ1!

[CyberCubed]

But I don't get it, isn't Goku still stronger since he can go Super Saiyan 3 and Vegeta cannot?

[Mew]

I want to see the new movie.
I get Funimation E-mail updates though!

[Slade]

But I don't get it, isn't Goku still stronger since he can go Super Saiyan 3 and Vegeta cannot?

Technically yes, but I don't think we know enough about god form to know what happens there. As in does god from just turn their ki into god ki or does it turn it into god ki and give them a huge power up? I actually think it's the latter, but still as far as I know, there isn't a definite answer.

[CyberCubed]

I wonder how many of these movies they will make. There will probably be at least one more (to make this a trilogy) but after that who knows.

Its funny how that one special in 2008 with Vegeta's brother and Trunks/Goten fighting a Freeze henchmen is what acted as a springboard for these new movies.

[ZariusTwo]

New series announced, Dragonball Super

After 18 years, an all-new Dragon Ball TV anime series was announced. Titled "Dragon Ball Super" this series takes place a few years after the end of the Majin Buu Saga.

Aside that the series takes place years after the end of the Majin Buu Saga, Fuji TV producer Osamu Nozaki has confirmed that the plot was written by series creator Akira Toriyama and will may feature the appearance of an enemy stronger than Buu or Frieza.

Masako Nozawa will once again voice Goku, Gohan, and Goten in the new anime and commented, "We've always used the word 'chō' (Super) with Dragon Ball in commercials, games and the like, but the fact that the series titled Dragon Ball Super is beginning is the best thing ever."

Long time Dragon Ball animator Mitsuaki Kido will series as the animation producer. Dragon Ball Super is set to premiere in July on Fuji TV and other channels.


http://www.orendsrange.com/2015/04/dragon-ball-super-tv-anime-series.html

[TurtleTitan97]

New series announced, Dragonball Super




http://www.orendsrange.com/2015/04/dragon-ball-super-tv-anime-series.html

Awesome, can't wait! Hope it's better than GT.

[turtlefanforever]

this is gonna be sweeet

[CyberCubed]

i don't know, I've got a bad feeling about this. Movies are one thing, but a whole new series? I'm not sure the show has the stamina to be a full series again.

My guess is its only going to be 26 episodes, since there's no manga they don't have to pad anything out with filler.

[Mew]

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Dragon Ball Super? Is that a SNES game? :lol: I would like to see this.....

[Netkeeper]

Not surprised, Dragonball's a huge moneymaker after all. I'm sceptical but hopefully I'll like it anyway. I probably will as long as they don't do any more GT-level character redesigns and they don't shelf like 90% of the cast--

Wait this is Dragonball of course they're going to shelf like 90% of the cast. Well I hope that this time my favourites aren't included in that.

[CyberCubed]

I hope this is only a 26 episode series at most. I can't imagine a saga being stretched out over nearly 100 episodes like DBZ, although to be fair that happened so the anime wouldn't catch up to the manga. Since there's no manga this time it should be much shorter.

I enjoyed the new DBZ movies but that's because they were self-contained, I don't think I have the patience to watch a battle that lasts 20+ episodes anymore. I know that if I didn't have nostalgia for DBZ as a kid and I watched it NOW for the first time I wouldn't be able to sit through the Freeza fight on Namek.

[Netkeeper]

I feel you there. I'm confident this series won't last that long. I'd say 50-60 at the absolute most, like GT, but shorter would be better. The showmakers know people won't sit and watch a fight that takes 20 episodes, hence why Kai happened.

But yeah about that Freeza fight, last time I rewatched the series a few years ago I literally stopped paying attention during those episodes and just left it on as background while I did other things. :lol:

[CyberCubed]

Most likely the story is going to be about Goku meeting those other Gods from the 12 dimensions that Beerus talked about. I just hope the whole show isn't just Goku fighting 12 Gods one on one....that would be so repetitive.

Hopefully this takes place after the end of DBZ so Goten and Trunks are teenagers, Pan is born and Uub is in it.

[Netkeeper]

That'd be kinda nice. I wanted to see more of little baby Pan. She was so cute.

[TheCanadiandrome]

New series announced, Dragonball Super

http://www.orendsrange.com/2015/04/dragon-ball-super-tv-anime-series.html

sounds good to me!

[neatoman]

I found out about Dragon Ball Super yesterday... So if it will start to air in the next two months, why aren't there any previews of it?

[Slade]

Has anyone watched the new movie yet? I've been meaning to look it up online, just haven't gotten around to it. I did see a clip of Vegeta wrecking shop on Freeza though.

[CyberCubed]

is it even online anywhere? I've looked for it and can't find it. Probably just going to wait for the dub

[Powder]

Probably just going to wait for the dub

Absolutely disgusting.

[sdp]

The movie will premier in theaters where I live on June 19 so even though I'm not crazy excited for the movie and I could wait without a problem a part of me wants to see DBZ on the big screen for nostalgic reasons. The previous film also came out in theaters here but I was also indecisive and by the time I made up my mind it was no longer on theaters. :lol:

As a kid I believe the only DBZ movie that came out on theaters was Tree of Might, or it was the only one that was released in the period that I lived there and I couldn't help but be disappointed at the movie. It wasn't as cool as the Bardock OVA that aired on TV just a few weeks later.

[Netkeeper]

Absolutely disgusting.
Uh, sorry, dub's better.

[Slade]

i don't know, I've got a bad feeling about this. Movies are one thing, but a whole new series? I'm not sure the show has the stamina to be a full series again.

My guess is its only going to be 26 episodes, since there's no manga they don't have to pad anything out with filler.

There will be a manga

[CyberCubed]

The manga is based on the anime this time though, not the other way around, so again the anime won't need filler.

I'm hoping its only a 26 episode series, at least for now. If they start off doing 100 episodes right off the bat I fear the same pacing issues with long drawn out fights and filler will plague the series like before.

[Mew]

Absolutely disgusting.

Meow? Not true.
Uh, sorry, dub's better.

I tend to agree. Funimation does good dubs. Never was a big fan of Chopper's voice in One Piece, but it did fit.

[MrTMNT2012]

Just watched Fukkatsu No F.

Not as bad as I was expecting it to be but no where near as good as Battle of Gods. They still kept the meta humour and epic fight scenes but the pacing and actual plot progression was absolutely abysmal.

There was some disgusting CGI implemented but most of the fights are classic DBZ. Frieza's still an incredibly fun villain! The Z Warriors actually get to do something but sadly Vegeta gets the short end of the stick once again.

Also the ending is terrible.

(5.8/10)

[snake]

Meow? Not true.


I tend to agree. Funimation does good dubs. Never was a big fan of Chopper's voice in One Piece, but it did fit.

The one piece dub is pretty good. Luffy's voice grows on you, but it's all good. Subs are my thing though.

[TurtleTitan97]

I'm hoping its only a 26 episode series, at least for now. If they start off doing 100 episodes right off the bat I fear the same pacing issues with long drawn out fights and filler will plague the series like before.

26 episodes is way to short for a series like Dragon Ball. The only reason Dragon Ball Z went on for so long and had so much filler was because during its original run the manga was still going on. With this being an original series it will no doubt be shorter than Z. At the very least it should go to around 50 episodes like GT.

Also, count me in as one of the people who digs the DBZ dub.

[CyberCubed]

26 episodes for the first season, and then maybe another 26 episodes for a second arc will be fine.

Goku's Japanese VA is 78 years old, I'm not sure how much longer she can continue voicing the character. I don't think Japan will have a new DBZ show airing if Goku's VA either passes away or gets too sick where she can't voice the character anymore.

[THGhost]

Goku's Japanese VA is 78 years old

Christ... :o

[CyberCubed]

Well what do you expect? She began voicing Goku in 1987, which is now 30 years ago.

[TheCanadiandrome]

That's crazy! Didn't even realize that it was 30 years ago

[Mew]

The one piece dub is pretty good. Luffy's voice grows on you, but it's all good. Subs are my thing though.
Yeah. Agreed.

[THGhost]

Well what do you expect? She began voicing Goku in 1987, which is now 30 years ago.

I obviously didn't expect them to have been 50 years old when they started. :lol:

[Shred Head]

Alright the Dub release date has been confirmed August 4th-12th. I think its going to be in theaters longer then Battle of Gods was. There is also a new teaser trailer on http://www.dragonballz.com/ but it doesn't show anything new. Gotta say I'm really hyped for this didn't get a chance to see Battle of Gods in theaters but I hopefully can see this one.

[TheCanadiandrome]

I'll likely have to wait for the BR cause the nearest theatre that might get it will be an hour away cause odds are my local theatre won't get it

[Slade]

Yeah, I won't be seeing it in theaters. Mine wouldn't pick something like that up. I tried to watch it online today, but the internet was being an ass.

I did see the two fights I wanted to see on Youtube.

The battle's were decent. I liked that Vegeta pretty much owned Frieza, but he got freakin robbed at the end.

[THGhost]

Since I live in the UK, I obviously won't be seeing it in theatres. :P

Managed to rip the trailer off YouTube since I can't view it where I am. :roll:

[Allio]

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/11IMUxg9Mo4/hqdefault.jpg

I'm blue da ba dee da ba die...

[Netkeeper]

Blue Popo must be buried.

[THGhost]

It's funny because making Mr. Popo blue only brings more attention to the fact that he was originally black. Therefore making him blue is even more racist. :lol:

[Slade]

Anybody playing Xenoverse?

[TheCanadiandrome]

Anybody playing Xenoverse?
Nope but I've been pondering. What's your online IDs? We can add and maybe play against each other if I decide to get this game

[Slade]

PSN is Ky-El_MCD. Will probably be a while before I get back to online gaming though.

[sdp]

Was blue Mr. Popo changed only for the American DBZKai dub? or Japanese Kai as well? I remember reading how even the Japanese version of Kai was censored.


What exactly was Kai though? I know they cut the filler and made new openings but did they do anything besides remastering it? I think I remember reading some new scenes were made. I also know it got new music, did America keep the new Japanese music or did it change it as well?

[CyberCubed]

What exactly was Kai though? I know they cut the filler and made new openings but did they do anything besides remastering it? I think I remember reading some new scenes were made. I also know it got new music, did America keep the new Japanese music or did it change it as well?

There were new openings, but they didn't animated any new scenes. They just cut the filler and spliced together the existing footage.

[Shred Head]

Was blue Mr. Popo changed only for the American DBZKai dub? or Japanese Kai as well? I remember reading how even the Japanese version of Kai was censored.


What exactly was Kai though? I know they cut the filler and made new openings but did they do anything besides remastering it? I think I remember reading some new scenes were made. I also know it got new music, did America keep the new Japanese music or did it change it as well?

No the blue Popo was only done for the broadcast version on the CW kids block. Funny thing he was kept black in the Nicktoons version. from what I remember what got edited for content in the Japan version was Raditz and Goku's death. The holes in the stomachs look like bruises now and I think Gohan's nudity. Not much was edited because of content.

As for the music it was new but they changed it back to the old music because they found out the composer may have stolen someone else work. We did get that score but it was changed as well.

[sdp]

So umm what's the general consensus here about the Bruce Falcourner vs Original music?

For me the original just cannot be topped, it's great and iconic. Falcourner's music ruins plenty of key scenes for me in DBZ. I feel people may prefer Falcourner's music since they grew up with it and nostalgia plays a big card in what you like. There are a few tracks that I enjoy like Piccolo's Theme and the Cell Game's Theme.

[turtlefanforever]

just watched the English dubbed trailer. So awesome