Dragonball and Z discussion

*CyberCubed* · 11-05-2014, 12:31 PM

Since just about everyone here has watched DBZ and Dragonball, what do you think of it?

Is it the classic shonen anime of all time? Every action manga/anime that came after it was directly influenced by it in some way. Goku is also one of the most iconic anime characters of all time.

Discuss.

FoxBoxKid · 11-05-2014, 01:15 PM

Still waiting for the Kai season 5 dub.

*MrTMNT2012* · 11-05-2014, 02:07 PM

Naruto did it better.

DBZ may have revolutionised Shounen Action Manga storytelling but Naruto perfected it. And One Piece is in a whole different league than both of them!

*CyberCubed* · 11-05-2014, 03:17 PM

For Naruto are you strictly talking about the manga? Because the anime has even more horrible fillers than DBZ.

Its rather telling that DBZ was only 291 episodes....combine it with Dragonball and its only a little under 500....Naruto has what like 700+ episodes?

*MrTMNT2012* · 11-05-2014, 03:22 PM

Uh no, Naruto is looking to be finished AT MOST by 420 which puts the entire series at barely 600 episodes.

There are specific Naruto fillers that completely own anything from DBZ but yes, in general, DBZ fillers are slightly less atrocious.

It's funny how you don't mention GT...

*CyberCubed* · 11-05-2014, 03:30 PM

GT isn't canon anymore so it no longer matters. The 2013 DBZ movie retconned it, and they're making a sequel next year.

*TheCanadiandrome* · 11-05-2014, 04:52 PM

love this franchise, everything about it rocks. I'm just hoping that once they're done releasing DBZ on Blu-Ray that they'll go back and give Dragonball a proper release on BR as well

*MrTMNT2012* · 11-05-2014, 05:13 PM

DragonBall >>>> DBZ btw!

*snake* · 11-05-2014, 09:38 PM

I like DBZ because of how mindlessly fun it is. I don't care if its baby's first anime, I'll always love it.

Dragon Ball is pretty cool too.

Peanut · 11-05-2014, 09:45 PM

I thought it was boring when I was a kid.

I think a lot of it comes down to nostalgia at this point, but there's nothing wrong with that.

*shuriken* · 11-05-2014, 10:23 PM

I found Dragonball way more enjoyable. More focus on crtain characters, Krillin, Tien, Yamcha and Roshi all have their badass moments as well. IMO Z shoulda ended after Gohan blasted Cell into Oblivian.
To me though, the English dub with the different music made DBZ better than the original music, but that just might be nostalgia talking.

Leofan26 · 11-05-2014, 10:26 PM

Who said Naruto was better than Dragon Ball / Z? Have you watched or read the series lately?

That's your taste though and that's cool.

For the series, I don't even remember when I'd fallen in love with the series. I'm a dub watcher, in my opinion I prefer the dub to Japan's version. For one thing, Goku's Jappanese VA bugs the crap out of me, it's hard to watch listening to his voice, it really distracts me

For once I feel like that's one of the things the dub did right, his VA fits in my opinion again. I watched the original Funimation version too, before all these remakes and Kai. I also remember watching it on it's first run on Toonami, man was I excited watching the Cell games for the first time, my favorite saga.

Gohan and Piccolo being my favorites followed by Goku had he not turned into an awful father by the end of the series

Re watching the series from Dragon Ball series, I at that time only knew about Z and watched Dragon Ball later found myself loving the Piccolo Jr saga the best.

Filler was odd at times, who thought it was a good idea to have Vegeta wear a pink shirt?

Music back in the original always my favorite. I choose to ignore GT and any thing after that, they seem to have forgotten how to write other characters

*shuriken* · 11-05-2014, 10:29 PM

^^ GT was pretty bad. Everyone but Goku was useless up until Vegeta goes ssj4. ugh

Dragonball was great cuz of all the tournament fights too, I don't think Z ever had a proper tournament going for it.

*Slade* · 11-05-2014, 11:17 PM

Every once in a while, I rewatch all of Z. Never really could get into DB. Though, I do have all of GT on DVD too.

Favorite character is Vegeta. Wish Toriyama liked him more though.

Favorite movie is Broly The Legendary Super Saiyan.

I loved the intro to the Ocean Dub with Rock the Dragon, though I'd rather watch the Funi dub.

Also, a lot of times, I think Goku is overrated a bit by his fans also DB/Z fans can be insane. Still love the show. Only anime I watched all the way through. Read a few chapters of the manga.

*ssjup81* · 11-06-2014, 12:12 AM

*Cracks knuckles*

Okay, I must comment on this series. lol Now, I will say this, I personally prefer Dragon Ball to both Dragon Ball Z and Dragon Ball GT. I've never seen the dub of GT or DB, though, so I can't comment on them or changes. I've only seen them subbed/Raw years ago. I have seen DBZ subbed and dubbed. The Buu saga I saw subbed.

Anyway, the reason I like Dragon Ball more than the other two series, is due to the fact that those seemed to deal with real martial arts. It wasn't all "power level" stuff, or "ki blast, ki blast, ki blast." I also liked Dragon Ball more because it was more comedic, was more of an adventure, and the others (Chichi, Tenshinhan, Chaotsu, Yamacha, Kuririn, Turtle Elder, Oolong, Puar, Lunch, Yajirobe, etc.) all did more for it compared to DBZ.

I liked Dragon Ball GT in the beginning, mainly because it was going back to the whole "Dragon Ball" dynamic. An adventure to search for the Dragon Balls with obstacles, but, it became too much like Dragon Ball Z later on (come on, was SSJ4 Goku really necessary?), which turned me off from the series a lot. It became all about "power" as opposed to "skill", imo. I will admit to liking the last half of the final episode of the entire series. It was nice; Goku and Vegeta's descendants going against each other at a Martial Arts tournament while Videl (I think), Bulma, and Chichi were watching, while a "dead Goku" is watching as well. It was nice because it flashed back to how Goku's adventure first began all the way up to DBGT, while playing the full version of Dan Dan Kokoro Hikareteku. It made me incredibly nostalgic, and also made me want to watch Dragon Ball all over again, but never mind all that. lol

As for Dragon Ball Z, it had way too much filler, and the story took away from Gohan's character. These were the biggest flaws of this series, imo (aside from the fact that it wasn't like DB where it was "skill", not power that mattered, and the fact that the Z-fighters didn't get much screen time, imo). Goku was killed out for a reason, folks. The story for DBZ was supposed to have been Gohan's story, just like DB was Goku's, but, fans really liked Goku, hence his being brought back constantly to save the day. The only saga, imo, that was handled right was the Saiya-jin Saga.

Oh, and as for the filler...some eps I didn't mind (like when Piccolo and Goku were learning to drive lol). I prefer "original filler" as opposed to extending a canon arc. Freiza arc killed me with that. "There's only five more minutes until the Planet Namek explodes...will Goku survive? Tune in next time to Dragon Ball Z!" Twenty eps later.... "Goku is still on Namek, four minutes remaining..." You know where I'm going. lol I know why the filler was there, though. The manga and anime releases were too close, but I prefer original filler to extending a canon arc (like the Namek blowing up stuff).

Oh, fav characters...

Chichi
Lunch
Gohan
Mirai no Trunks
Android 18
Pan
Videl
Vegeta

Oh, one other thing I disliked about DBGT...lack of focus on Goten. I can understand his being "girl crazy", given his age at the time of DBGT, but he and Trunks are like the best of friends! I hated the fact that they were split up for the journey for the Dragon Balls.

Anywho, in conclusion...Dragon Ball is, and will always be, my favorite series. DBZ and DBGT, imo, can't truly compare.

*Redeemer* · 11-06-2014, 01:38 AM

As much as I enjoyed DBS it frustrated the crap out of me when they would spend two episodes with Goku yelling and powering up or making a spirit bomb...... ugh....

Naruto isn't as bad, the problem with Naruto is the damn flash backs...... and dialogue at times... just too much of both.

*Slade* · 11-06-2014, 07:43 AM

I think I read somewhere that those extended power up scenes and the 5 minute Namek deal happened becasue the show was running the same time as the manga, so the show runners had to wait for the next chapter to see what would happen. Don't know how true that is at the moment though.

FoxBoxKid · 11-06-2014, 07:55 AM

One of my pet peeves is when people insist on referring to characters and things in the show by their Japanese name, like Kuririn or Saiya-jin.

If you're typing in English, why not use the English names? Another pet peeve, for anime in general, is when people say dubbed anime is never good.

*Slade* · 11-06-2014, 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FoxBoxKid

One of my pet peeves is when people insist on referring to characters and things in the show by their Japanese name, like Kuririn or Saiya-jin.

If you're typing in English, why not use the English names? Another pet peeve, for anime in general, is when people say dubbed anime is never good.

*ssjup81* · 11-06-2014, 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FoxBoxKid

One of my pet peeves is when people insist on referring to characters and things in the show by their Japanese name, like Kuririn or Saiya-jin.

If you're typing in English, why not use the English names? Another pet peeve, for anime in general, is when people say dubbed anime is never good.

Darn me for having more exposure to the Japanese version than the English. :p

To be honest, though, I didn't even realize I'd used the Japanese names. It's so second-nature for me since I have more exposure to the Japanese as opposed to the English. In other words, I've seen more Japanese than English. I've never even seen all of Z in English. Dragon Ball and GT I've also never seen in English.

That aside, Japanese names don't bother, although in the case of Dragon Ball, it's obvious who the characters are, especially Kuririn. It's just the katakanized/romanized transliteration of Krillin. In other words, the name is the same for both versions.

11-05-2014, 12:31 PM	#1
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,881	Dragonball and Z discussion Since just about everyone here has watched DBZ and Dragonball, what do you think of it? Is it the classic shonen anime of all time? Every action manga/anime that came after it was directly influenced by it in some way. Goku is also one of the most iconic anime characters of all time. Discuss.

11-05-2014, 01:15 PM	#2
FoxBoxKid Foot Soldier Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 214	Still waiting for the Kai season 5 dub. __________________ cow·a·bun·gler /ˌkou-əˈbəNG(ə)lər/ noun informal a person who enjoys the 1980s animated series, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, but erroneously believes that no other incarnation of the franchise can possibly compare to the cherished cartoon of their childhood, often expressing their opinion in an obnoxious manner. Example: "Cowabunglers and their absurd narrow-mindedness regarding Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles really get on my nerves."

11-05-2014, 02:07 PM	#3
MrTMNT2012 Mad Scientist Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,512	Naruto did it better. DBZ may have revolutionised Shounen Action Manga storytelling but Naruto perfected it. And One Piece is in a whole different league than both of them! __________________ Fav Quote - 87 Leo: "TURTLES FIGHT WITH HONOUR!" Fav Series - 2012 Nickelodeon Fav Game - Out of the Shadows Fav Comic - IDW Series Fav Movie - Liebesman's TMNT (2014)

11-05-2014, 03:22 PM	#5
MrTMNT2012 Mad Scientist Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,512	Uh no, Naruto is looking to be finished AT MOST by 420 which puts the entire series at barely 600 episodes. There are specific Naruto fillers that completely own anything from DBZ but yes, in general, DBZ fillers are slightly less atrocious. It's funny how you don't mention GT... __________________ Fav Quote - 87 Leo: "TURTLES FIGHT WITH HONOUR!" Fav Series - 2012 Nickelodeon Fav Game - Out of the Shadows Fav Comic - IDW Series Fav Movie - Liebesman's TMNT (2014)

11-05-2014, 04:52 PM	#7
TheCanadiandrome Big, Bad & Bold Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Inside the Technodrome; Shredderville; Saskatchewan Posts: 19,719	love this franchise, everything about it rocks. I'm just hoping that once they're done releasing DBZ on Blu-Ray that they'll go back and give Dragonball a proper release on BR as well __________________ Add me: PSN/XBL; Nintendo Network ID: BDS-3.1.6; Switch FC: SW-3378-5206-8020 TMNT Fan Club: http://sot.ag/4jZR0 Visit My Wish List: http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=30904 My Collection: http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=40276

11-05-2014, 03:17 PM	#4
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,881	For Naruto are you strictly talking about the manga? Because the anime has even more horrible fillers than DBZ. Its rather telling that DBZ was only 291 episodes....combine it with Dragonball and its only a little under 500....Naruto has what like 700+ episodes?

11-05-2014, 03:30 PM	#6
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,881	GT isn't canon anymore so it no longer matters. The 2013 DBZ movie retconned it, and they're making a sequel next year.

11-05-2014, 05:13 PM	#8
MrTMNT2012 Mad Scientist Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,512	DragonBall >>>> DBZ btw! __________________ Fav Quote - 87 Leo: "TURTLES FIGHT WITH HONOUR!" Fav Series - 2012 Nickelodeon Fav Game - Out of the Shadows Fav Comic - IDW Series Fav Movie - Liebesman's TMNT (2014)

11-05-2014, 09:38 PM	#9
snake Disgusting Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Outer Heaven Posts: 12,231	I like DBZ because of how mindlessly fun it is. I don't care if its baby's first anime, I'll always love it. Dragon Ball is pretty cool too.

11-05-2014, 09:45 PM	#10
Peanut Second Gear Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The New World Posts: 15,422	I thought it was boring when I was a kid. I think a lot of it comes down to nostalgia at this point, but there's nothing wrong with that.

11-05-2014, 10:23 PM	#11
shuriken Second City Shinobi Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Chi-town Posts: 4,182	I found Dragonball way more enjoyable. More focus on crtain characters, Krillin, Tien, Yamcha and Roshi all have their badass moments as well. IMO Z shoulda ended after Gohan blasted Cell into Oblivian. To me though, the English dub with the different music made DBZ better than the original music, but that just might be nostalgia talking. __________________ Some things are better left unsaid. This isn't one of them

11-05-2014, 10:26 PM	#12
Leofan26 Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 1,306	Who said Naruto was better than Dragon Ball / Z? Have you watched or read the series lately? That's your taste though and that's cool. For the series, I don't even remember when I'd fallen in love with the series. I'm a dub watcher, in my opinion I prefer the dub to Japan's version. For one thing, Goku's Jappanese VA bugs the crap out of me, it's hard to watch listening to his voice, it really distracts me For once I feel like that's one of the things the dub did right, his VA fits in my opinion again. I watched the original Funimation version too, before all these remakes and Kai. I also remember watching it on it's first run on Toonami, man was I excited watching the Cell games for the first time, my favorite saga. Gohan and Piccolo being my favorites followed by Goku had he not turned into an awful father by the end of the series Re watching the series from Dragon Ball series, I at that time only knew about Z and watched Dragon Ball later found myself loving the Piccolo Jr saga the best. Filler was odd at times, who thought it was a good idea to have Vegeta wear a pink shirt? Music back in the original always my favorite. I choose to ignore GT and any thing after that, they seem to have forgotten how to write other characters

11-05-2014, 10:29 PM	#13
shuriken Second City Shinobi Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Chi-town Posts: 4,182	^^ GT was pretty bad. Everyone but Goku was useless up until Vegeta goes ssj4. ugh Dragonball was great cuz of all the tournament fights too, I don't think Z ever had a proper tournament going for it. __________________ Some things are better left unsaid. This isn't one of them

11-05-2014, 11:17 PM	#14
Slade god status Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Louisiana Posts: 3,291	Every once in a while, I rewatch all of Z. Never really could get into DB. Though, I do have all of GT on DVD too. Favorite character is Vegeta. Wish Toriyama liked him more though. Favorite movie is Broly The Legendary Super Saiyan. I loved the intro to the Ocean Dub with Rock the Dragon, though I'd rather watch the Funi dub. Also, a lot of times, I think Goku is overrated a bit by his fans also DB/Z fans can be insane. Still love the show. Only anime I watched all the way through. Read a few chapters of the manga. __________________ Do not concern yourself with what I've already done: rather tremble at the thought of what I am about to do. Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=48140

11-06-2014, 12:12 AM	#15
ssjup81 Foot Elite Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Central Virginia (Back in the US) Posts: 4,734	Cracks knuckles Okay, I must comment on this series. lol Now, I will say this, I personally prefer Dragon Ball to both Dragon Ball Z and Dragon Ball GT. I've never seen the dub of GT or DB, though, so I can't comment on them or changes. I've only seen them subbed/Raw years ago. I have seen DBZ subbed and dubbed. The Buu saga I saw subbed. Anyway, the reason I like Dragon Ball more than the other two series, is due to the fact that those seemed to deal with real martial arts. It wasn't all "power level" stuff, or "ki blast, ki blast, ki blast." I also liked Dragon Ball more because it was more comedic, was more of an adventure, and the others (Chichi, Tenshinhan, Chaotsu, Yamacha, Kuririn, Turtle Elder, Oolong, Puar, Lunch, Yajirobe, etc.) all did more for it compared to DBZ. I liked Dragon Ball GT in the beginning, mainly because it was going back to the whole "Dragon Ball" dynamic. An adventure to search for the Dragon Balls with obstacles, but, it became too much like Dragon Ball Z later on (come on, was SSJ4 Goku really necessary?), which turned me off from the series a lot. It became all about "power" as opposed to "skill", imo. I will admit to liking the last half of the final episode of the entire series. It was nice; Goku and Vegeta's descendants going against each other at a Martial Arts tournament while Videl (I think), Bulma, and Chichi were watching, while a "dead Goku" is watching as well. It was nice because it flashed back to how Goku's adventure first began all the way up to DBGT, while playing the full version of Dan Dan Kokoro Hikareteku. It made me incredibly nostalgic, and also made me want to watch Dragon Ball all over again, but never mind all that. lol As for Dragon Ball Z, it had way too much filler, and the story took away from Gohan's character. These were the biggest flaws of this series, imo (aside from the fact that it wasn't like DB where it was "skill", not power that mattered, and the fact that the Z-fighters didn't get much screen time, imo). Goku was killed out for a reason, folks. The story for DBZ was supposed to have been Gohan's story, just like DB was Goku's, but, fans really liked Goku, hence his being brought back constantly to save the day. The only saga, imo, that was handled right was the Saiya-jin Saga. Oh, and as for the filler...some eps I didn't mind (like when Piccolo and Goku were learning to drive lol). I prefer "original filler" as opposed to extending a canon arc. Freiza arc killed me with that. "There's only five more minutes until the Planet Namek explodes...will Goku survive? Tune in next time to Dragon Ball Z!" Twenty eps later.... "Goku is still on Namek, four minutes remaining..." You know where I'm going. lol I know why the filler was there, though. The manga and anime releases were too close, but I prefer original filler to extending a canon arc (like the Namek blowing up stuff). Oh, fav characters... Chichi Lunch Gohan Mirai no Trunks Android 18 Pan Videl Vegeta Oh, one other thing I disliked about DBGT...lack of focus on Goten. I can understand his being "girl crazy", given his age at the time of DBGT, but he and Trunks are like the best of friends! I hated the fact that they were split up for the journey for the Dragon Balls. Anywho, in conclusion...Dragon Ball is, and will always be, my favorite series. DBZ and DBGT, imo, can't truly compare.

11-06-2014, 01:38 AM	#16
Redeemer Technodrome Technician Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: third earth Posts: 4,737	As much as I enjoyed DBS it frustrated the crap out of me when they would spend two episodes with Goku yelling and powering up or making a spirit bomb...... ugh.... Naruto isn't as bad, the problem with Naruto is the damn flash backs...... and dialogue at times... just too much of both. __________________ GT:Reedeamer *THE TECHNODROME REDESIGN 2015* http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=51594

11-06-2014, 07:43 AM	#17
Slade god status Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Louisiana Posts: 3,291	I think I read somewhere that those extended power up scenes and the 5 minute Namek deal happened becasue the show was running the same time as the manga, so the show runners had to wait for the next chapter to see what would happen. Don't know how true that is at the moment though. __________________ Do not concern yourself with what I've already done: rather tremble at the thought of what I am about to do. Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=48140

11-06-2014, 07:55 AM	#18
FoxBoxKid Foot Soldier Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 214	One of my pet peeves is when people insist on referring to characters and things in the show by their Japanese name, like Kuririn or Saiya-jin. If you're typing in English, why not use the English names? Another pet peeve, for anime in general, is when people say dubbed anime is never good. __________________ cow·a·bun·gler /ˌkou-əˈbəNG(ə)lər/ noun informal a person who enjoys the 1980s animated series, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, but erroneously believes that no other incarnation of the franchise can possibly compare to the cherished cartoon of their childhood, often expressing their opinion in an obnoxious manner. Example: "Cowabunglers and their absurd narrow-mindedness regarding Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles really get on my nerves."