The Official Venting/Whining/Criticism Thread!

[snake]

To unclog the official info thread, post all criticisms and problems you have with the show here.


I'll start. I think that the show would benefit if the MOTW episodes were spaced out more. Don't get me wrong, I love fun episodes like that and they have some great action figure ideas in them, but I'd say 1 story and one MOTW.

[Vicky82]

We should of had this in the movie thread :lol:

[victory_angel]

To unclog the official info thread, post all criticisms and problems you have with the show here.


I'll start. I think that the show would benefit if the MOTW episodes were spaced out more. Don't get me wrong, I love fun episodes like that and they have some great action figure ideas in them, but I'd say 1 story and one MOTW.

I agree.

And also there should be emotional development for the characters. Like maybe a heart to heart between Donnie and Leo about their argument in the season finally. Because why have the argument and end the episode with Donnie beating himself up about what happened if you aren't going to do anything about it.

Have Raph pulling him back and remind him that he's leader currently and the rest of them need him to be there for that reason.

Have Mikey and/or April maybe Casey reasure Donnie what happened was not his fault.

Heck if you must had a filler episode, make it one where the Turtles are sitting around talking about times Leo had been there for them when they had been children.

[TurtleTitan97]

We should of had this in the movie thread :lol:

We did. But then the pro-movie fans came in and it fell into chaos.

[Autbot_Benz]

We should of had this in the movie thread :lol:

yes we should

[pennydreadful]

I miss Splinter and Karai.

[CyberCubed]

I just wish all the people whining in general would take it to tumblr. At least there their rants can be ignored.

[BubblyShell22]

Yeah, I miss them, too, Penny. But other than that, I'm okay with everything else that's gone on, though I do wish they'd mention New York more or have more of a reaction like they're missing it or something.

[AT-Man]

should of

When did this become a thing? It's SHOULD HAVE!

[Basti50]

The only thing that really bothered me in this series thus far (other than some of the episodes being a wee bit predictable) is that the writers can occasionally get really insistent when trying to get their point across. Worst offender for me being the episode "Newtralized!" where Cassey suddenly turns into a complete clod and they really want you to get that because otherwise you couldn't understand the conflict of the story. I guess they amp this stuff up for the kid's entertainment value but it still tends to annoy me.

[Leofan26]

We can still give our actual opinions in the episode threads spite this thread being open right? Negative or not?

Any ways, for me I wish they'd stop with the horror flicks type episodes, it's getting tiring and repeative and gross out humor.

I hope when they return to New York we get back the actual plots, with the fourth season being the last well.

[Davetello]

I'm enjoying these eps and the horror parodies. However, I was really hoping for lots more character development and perhaps more reflection on what happened back in New York. That tends to be the staple of Northampton stories and it seems like some opportunity for that has been wasted. As I say, I'm still enjoying the show so this isn't a complaint per se - I just feel the show is currently lacking some continuity.

[Jephael]

I remember reading on Wikipedia that we were gonna get a "Meanwhile, back in New York" sorta side story during the Mom-Thing episode. Does anybody know where that rumor came from? Because I honestly would've rather seen that then April and the gang fighting another creepy monster.

[The Big Bad]

Okay, one complaint: this version of Northampton? It doesn't work.

(Note, the following was hastily paraphrased from a Tumblr post, so I can't assure coherence.)

Now, I love Northampton. It's not something I want in every incarnation, but I understand why it was in the original, why it keeps getting adapted, why Mirage and 4Kids kept it as a second home, and why the Nick creators decided to incorporate it into the show. I really wish they wouldn't have, though, because it doesn't work for the show they've created.

The reason why Northampton is feasible in the other incarnations is because the stakes are low enough that the turtles can afford to drop off the face of the Earth and go through a change of pace and atmosphere while they rest. In the Mirage and 4Kids takes, the turtles' disappearance changes nothing in New York, and no one is placed in danger by their absence. In the film and IDW versions, where the turtles leave behind loose ends that desperately need tying, their rest time is considerably more limited, and the story doesn’t try to make it seem as if the rest of the world has stopped existing.

This last thing is what’s wrong with Nick’s take. Yes, Leo needed a few episodes to recover, which is something. That said, stuff doesn’t actually stop happening just because it can’t be seen, and yet that’s precisely how the turtles and the show act—as if the Kraang weren’t an ongoing concern, and one that grows increasingly more dangerous the more it is left unattended. There’s no sense of object permanence, and it makes both the show and the characters look incredibly childish and irresponsible. The turtles may not be physically capable of returning to Manhattan just yet (debatable) but that doesn’t stop them from actually doing stuff to prepare while they're at the farm. Planning out strategies, considering their options—maybe recruiting the army of Mutant Frogs they’ve just met—shoring up their defenses in case the Kraang expand to upstate New York or heck, even making the slightest attempt at keeping up with the news. If any of that is happening, it’s in offscreen-land, along with any sense of logical plot progression or any portrayal of women that isn’t deeply sexist.

But no; the writers have bigger fish to fry, like keeping the love triangle spinning in its wheels or have the Nth iteration of their standard Mikey plot or introducing yet more mutants. Because, you see, when they claimed that the invasion of New York was important, they were lying. Had it actually been important, they would have given it the barest amount of thought, instead of giving us stock invasion footage and mixing it with a tepid “twist” and an adaptation of beloved Mirage material. It would have consequences which flowed naturally from what came before, instead of just being written in accordance to the whim of the day. Instead, it is no longer a factor, and will likely not remain so until the Kraang are once again onscreen, when the writers will once again try to convince us that it’s all terribly important and dramatic, even when it makes no sense and contradicts everything we've been told before.

The really ironic thing is that the Northampton stories have been some of my favorite in the series (by which I mean that they've been mostly inoffensive, except when they aren't). The context they exist, though, doesn't work at all.


This has been a rant.

[blindturtle02]

I miss Splinter and Karai as well. I also miss Shredder! Hey, the Kraang too. I actually like those guys. Other than that, I think I'm good. Oh wait! Someone needs to thaw Timothy out and let him do some damage when they get back to NYC. Poor kid.

[Shark_Blade]

I wish Casey mingles with other turtles more besides Donnie.

Other than that I have no problem, the show is frightfully entertaining. :D

[IndigoErth]

Can't say I have much to vent on this show, I'm pretty lenient on it.

I simply wish they could just fully own their time slot. No matter which day or hour they decide to put it on, it's theirs. If there is no new one to show then there is a repeat of TMNT, not some other show that's on at other times already, or to add insult to injury a repeat of said show.

8pm Friday? Then let it be fully theirs. Not just theirs unless you feel like airing something else.

[ssjup81]

Yeah, I miss them, too, Penny. But other than that, I'm okay with everything else that's gone on, though I do wish they'd mention New York more or have more of a reaction like they're missing it or something.This is the only issue I have, unless they're saving all that emotional angst for the Vision Quests.

[Autbot_Benz]

ya I even miss the ones called the Kraang who want to destroy the ones called the turtles.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

The character development is pretty poor, considering all the constant praise about the 'writing' of this show.

And why have Raph act like such a heel about how worthless Mikey is after the whole 'Mikey hugging Raph/getting him under control' in the finale (let alone why would Mikey NOT want a hug from Raph...it's very Out Of Character for Mikey to say something like that, and if it was just 'a joke' it wasn't funny).

It's like all of the characters keep having memory loss on what happened in the past...even for a cartoon, it is getting ridiculous.

And give Raphael an actual arc, or an actual storyline, or some actual badass fight sequences to himself, or make him a hero in an episode...recently he's been treated like crap.

[raph27]

April needs to bond with the other turtles.
Mikey needs some real episodes. Not the "bros don't get me/I was right bout something/shove it in their faces that I'm right/ still clueless
I miss Biggs a ton. :(
We need ICK toys! (Not really a show problem but whatever.)

[Luckyday]

Okay, one complaint: this version of Northampton? It doesn't work.

(Note, the following was hastily paraphrased from a Tumblr post, so I can't assure coherence.)

Now, I love Northampton. It's not something I want in every incarnation, but I understand why it was in the original, why it keeps getting adapted, why Mirage and 4Kids kept it as a second home, and why the Nick creators decided to incorporate it into the show. I really wish they wouldn't have, though, because it doesn't work for the show they've created.

The reason why Northampton is feasible in the other incarnations is because the stakes are low enough that the turtles can afford to drop off the face of the Earth and go through a change of pace and atmosphere while they rest. In the Mirage and 4Kids takes, the turtles' disappearance changes nothing in New York, and no one is placed in danger by their absence. In the film and IDW versions, where the turtles leave behind loose ends that desperately need tying, their rest time is considerably more limited, and the story doesn’t try to make it seem as if the rest of the world has stopped existing.

This last thing is what’s wrong with Nick’s take. Yes, Leo needed a few episodes to recover, which is something. That said, stuff doesn’t actually stop happening just because it can’t be seen, and yet that’s precisely how the turtles and the show act—as if the Kraang weren’t an ongoing concern, and one that grows increasingly more dangerous the more it is left unattended. There’s no sense of object permanence, and it makes both the show and the characters look incredibly childish and irresponsible. The turtles may not be physically capable of returning to Manhattan just yet (debatable) but that doesn’t stop them from actually doing stuff to prepare while they're at the farm. Planning out strategies, considering their options—maybe recruiting the army of Mutant Frogs they’ve just met—shoring up their defenses in case the Kraang expand to upstate New York or heck, even making the slightest attempt at keeping up with the news. If any of that is happening, it’s in offscreen-land, along with any sense of logical plot progression or any portrayal of women that isn’t deeply sexist.

But no; the writers have bigger fish to fry, like keeping the love triangle spinning in its wheels or have the Nth iteration of their standard Mikey plot or introducing yet more mutants. Because, you see, when they claimed that the invasion of New York was important, they were lying. Had it actually been important, they would have given it the barest amount of thought, instead of giving us stock invasion footage and mixing it with a tepid “twist” and an adaptation of beloved Mirage material. It would have consequences which flowed naturally from what came before, instead of just being written in accordance to the whim of the day. Instead, it is no longer a factor, and will likely not remain so until the Kraang are once again onscreen, when the writers will once again try to convince us that it’s all terribly important and dramatic, even when it makes no sense and contradicts everything we've been told before.

The really ironic thing is that the Northampton stories have been some of my favorite in the series (by which I mean that they've been mostly inoffensive, except when they aren't). The context they exist, though, doesn't work at all.


This has been a rant.

This is exactly what's wrong with this season. We wouldn't be nearly this piss off about these episodes if they were after The Return to New York arc. Had the head writers made a wise move to have them air after they save New York (except the Woods and Buried Secrets), editing out the scenes with Leo limping, and having just one scene, just one scene of dialogue with Master Splinter telling them that they should take themselves away from the city to rest then all of these fillers wouldn't feel so ****ing distracting in the first place!

That's all it takes to fix this. Even it means that Season 3 finale wouldn't be the Return to New York. I. DON'T. CARE! Just fix it.http://i.imgur.com/oDEgUqI.gif

[snake]

This is exactly what's wrong with this season. We wouldn't be nearly this piss off about these episodes if they were after The Return to New York arc. Had the head writers made a wise move to have them air after they save New York (except the Woods and Buried Secrets), editing out the scenes with Leo limping, and having just one scene, just one scene of dialogue with Master Splinter telling them that they should take themselves away from the city to rest then all of these fillers wouldn't feel so ****ing distracting in the first place!

That's all it takes to fix this. Even it means that Season 3 finale wouldn't be the Return to New York. I. DON'T. CARE! Just fix it.http://i.imgur.com/oDEgUqI.gif

The finale won't be Return To NY. Northampton is only 13 episodes.

[jenna]

It does seem like much of the criticism concerns the failure of the writers to deliver ongoing plot in the current season. I agree. Just some acknowledgment of the loss of Splinter and some grief would help. My concern is that if the writers don't recognise this and continue dishing out horror-flick parody one-shots then the ratings will continue to fall and the show will die a death. I really hope this doesn't happen because this show is at its best nothing short of brilliant. To lose it would be an incredible shame.

[Luckyday]

The finale won't be Return To NY. Northampton is only 13 episodes.

There is really no reason excuse then. I get that these were suppose to air during October but, honestly, if October were no longer available for these episodes then cut the time in Northampton. Use only the episodes that would be reference later on like The Buried Secrets episode with the stealth ship and The Woods episode and maybe even the Dream Beaver episode, and then get to the Spirit Quest and then to them going back to New York.

The only down side to this is that Leo's leg being injured wouldn't feel as long as suppose to feel when you're waiting someone to heal but at least you would giving the people a reason to stay tune instead falling off the face of the Earth.

Maybe it was a mistake, to have an invasion in the season 2 finale. If it was only just Shredder chasing them out New York then I would sorta understand the lack of concern on what's going on with New York because there wouldn't such a incentive to back if they had really thought that Splinter was dead until one receive a vision from him or like the original comic of Raph going off on his own to New York.

It does seem like much of the criticism concerns the failure of the writers to deliver ongoing plot in the current season. I agree. Just some acknowledgment of the loss of Splinter and some grief would help. My concern is that if the writers don't recognise this and continue dishing out horror-flick parody one-shots then the ratings will continue to fall and the show will die a death. I really hope this doesn't happen because this show is at its best nothing short of brilliant. To lose it would be an incredible shame.


It would be a tragedy but how necessary was it for them have so many theme horror episodes?
It's like they put a 11 year old horror fan boy as head writer and he only wanted to see what he thought would be really cool to reference from.

[BabyTurtles]

Since everyone else pretty much voiced all my problems I have another one that's been bothering me...(and this is probably just me XD)

I don't like how Mikey is becoming this innocent character just for the cute factor.

I feel like how he was better portrayed in season one....where he was more aware of things around him (like he got more things) and he was more of a chill dude...less of a young wittle brother that needs hugz.

[snake]

Since everyone else pretty much voiced all my problems I have another one that's been bothering me...(and this is probably just me XD)

I don't like how Mikey is becoming this innocent character just for the cute factor.

I feel like how he was better portrayed in season one....where he was more aware of things around him (like he got more things) and he was more of a chill dude...less of a young wittle brother that needs hugz.

I know, just give it up. Mikey probably won't be getting any more serious or whatever in this show. Too bad, because the potential is there.

[jenna]

I know, just give it up. Mikey probably won't be getting any more serious or whatever in this show. Too bad, because the potential is there.

I think you've hit the nail on the head here. My only issue with Nick is that there is so much potential that they seem to be ignoring in favour of an inter-species love triangle and movie rip-offs. They could do so much!

If I think back to the very early episodes, it was completely unique, completely TMNT, embracing lots of different aspects from different incarnations whilst setting itself apart as its own thing, completely fresh and completely brilliant. Soooo much potential.

[snake]

I think you've hit the nail on the head here. My only issue with Nick is that there is so much potential that they seem to be ignoring in favour of an inter-species love triangle and movie rip-offs. They could do so much!

If I think back to the very early episodes, it was completely unique, completely TMNT, embracing lots of different aspects from different incarnations whilst setting itself apart as its own thing, completely fresh and completely brilliant. Soooo much potential.

I know, but ever think it's the Nick execs who are doing this?

"MOOOOORE TOYS! MOOOOOORE MUTANTS! NO MORE CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT!"

[jenna]

I know, but ever think it's the Nick execs who are doing this?

"MOOOOORE TOYS! MOOOOOORE MUTANTS! NO MORE CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT!"

:lol: Yup. I think that's exactly what's happening.

But then my fear is that it will be 'Fast Forward' all over again. The greed for toy sales ruined and then killed a great show. I'd hate for Nick to shoot itself in the foot in the same way.

[neatoman]

Criticism? Well OK then, here's a list:


The story is too simple.
There are too many self contained episodes to develop the story.
Very little in the self contained episodes are built upon and often forgotten.
There seems to too much of treading old ground.


And that's about it for general criticisms that I don't think are too subjective. That's the main stuff, problems with storytelling, I feel like they should have decided between a strong strong story or a decent anthology. Sadly they decided to split the difference, and as such it feels like we have a weak story with too much filler.

As for stuff that might be more personal:


I don't like how Karai totally flipped her moral center as soon as she figured out the "who's daddy" thing, remember she did some pretty nasty things but figuring out who her father was totally changed that over night? I really don't like that.
I don't like that Krang was merged with the Utroms to make the Kraang, it's such a stupid and needless compromise. It's made worse by the fact that the Kraang just suck on their own, they're not at all menacing and they're annoying as all hell.
I don't like that the Foot-bots were brought back, an army of androids does not quite enforce the same sense of power in it's leadr as a human army.
There are too many mutants, I woul like a little diversity in the origin department.

[FlawedCoil82]

As I said in another thread, I am hating every episode of this season. After all the 'Courage, The Cowardly Dog'-ish type horrors and weirdness they have faced, even Mikey would be smart enough to know that they would be much safer in New York.

[The Big Bad]

I know, but ever think it's the Nick execs who are doing this?

"MOOOOORE TOYS! MOOOOOORE MUTANTS! NO MORE CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT!"


Possible, but unlikely, I'd say: works which are pulled into too many different directions by too many cooks, or are victims of executive meddling, have certain characteristics, many of which tend to be rather obvious--see the "City at War" arc in the 4Kids cartoon for an example. The Nick cartoon, on the other hand, has always been the way it is. It has always been mutant heavy. It has always been lacking in character development. One could argue that it's possible that the producers have been constrained by executive meddling from the beginning, except that if that were the case, one would expect the producers to actually get sort of better at dealing with it with time, which is also not the case.

[THGhost]

I like the Halloween-themed episodes, but they really need to stop them now. It's getting ridiculous, it's almost frickin' December for crying out loud! :lol:

When did this become a thing? It's SHOULD HAVE!

Thank you!

[snake]

I like the Halloween-themed episodes, but they really need to stop them now. It's getting ridiculous, it's almost frickin' December for crying out loud! :lol:



Thank you!

I blame that on Nick's air dates.

[miru]

Please, stop with the monsters of the week. Have the Foot come to Northampton in pursuit of the Turtles and try to keep them under house arrest. Have Hun come over to try and fulfill his vendetta with Casey Jones. Have Rat King or Newtralizer seek a new dugout for themselves. But pleas, no more weird "Courage the Cowardly Dog" monsters. It's getting tiring.

Also, make a human Karai figure.

[IndigoErth]

even Mikey would be smart enough to know that they would be much safer in New York.
I dunno, I suggest trying Jersey as an alternative to the two. :lol:

[THGhost]

But pleas, no more weird "Courage the Cowardly Dog" monsters. It's getting tiring.

This show will never reach the levels of absurdity that was Courage. Never. :P

[pannoni1]

I find Season 2 to be almost as good as Season 1, which except for a couple clunkers, was consistent and really showed the heroes/villains as a mini-community, and there were some great fights. Season 2 had some annoying episodes such as Shellcane and the premiere was sort of meh, but the great episodes of that season topped the best of the first season, but Wormquake, the Dimension X episode, and The Invasion are episodes I'd long to return for. It appears that the writers are now on cruise control by applying various horror parodies. Chinatown Ghost Story near the end of S2 was fresh for its time and occassionaly we throw a bone with returning favorites such as the Punk Frogs, but the Ninja has been removed from the show as it becomes too Mikey and Don focused. Have an episode where the Turtles are only featured for a couple minutes with the rest focused on the Kraang/Splinter/The Foot since when people think of TMNT and the way this series has developed, its important to see what happens during these breaks. I really don't want to say that the best of this generation of Turtles has happened, but without good promotion and improvement, this show will be ending before the next movie comes out. At least its not terrible where its boring, but its definitely slipped compared to the first two seasons and while I wouldn't say this show has jumped the shark yet, I've definitely spotted a fin.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Okay, one complaint: this version of Northampton? It doesn't work.

(Note, the following was hastily paraphrased from a Tumblr post, so I can't assure coherence.)

Now, I love Northampton. It's not something I want in every incarnation, but I understand why it was in the original, why it keeps getting adapted, why Mirage and 4Kids kept it as a second home, and why the Nick creators decided to incorporate it into the show. I really wish they wouldn't have, though, because it doesn't work for the show they've created.

The reason why Northampton is feasible in the other incarnations is because the stakes are low enough that the turtles can afford to drop off the face of the Earth and go through a change of pace and atmosphere while they rest. In the Mirage and 4Kids takes, the turtles' disappearance changes nothing in New York, and no one is placed in danger by their absence. In the film and IDW versions, where the turtles leave behind loose ends that desperately need tying, their rest time is considerably more limited, and the story doesn’t try to make it seem as if the rest of the world has stopped existing.

This last thing is what’s wrong with Nick’s take. Yes, Leo needed a few episodes to recover, which is something. That said, stuff doesn’t actually stop happening just because it can’t be seen, and yet that’s precisely how the turtles and the show act—as if the Kraang weren’t an ongoing concern, and one that grows increasingly more dangerous the more it is left unattended. There’s no sense of object permanence, and it makes both the show and the characters look incredibly childish and irresponsible. The turtles may not be physically capable of returning to Manhattan just yet (debatable) but that doesn’t stop them from actually doing stuff to prepare while they're at the farm. Planning out strategies, considering their options—maybe recruiting the army of Mutant Frogs they’ve just met—shoring up their defenses in case the Kraang expand to upstate New York or heck, even making the slightest attempt at keeping up with the news. If any of that is happening, it’s in offscreen-land, along with any sense of logical plot progression or any portrayal of women that isn’t deeply sexist.

But no; the writers have bigger fish to fry, like keeping the love triangle spinning in its wheels or have the Nth iteration of their standard Mikey plot or introducing yet more mutants. Because, you see, when they claimed that the invasion of New York was important, they were lying. Had it actually been important, they would have given it the barest amount of thought, instead of giving us stock invasion footage and mixing it with a tepid “twist” and an adaptation of beloved Mirage material. It would have consequences which flowed naturally from what came before, instead of just being written in accordance to the whim of the day. Instead, it is no longer a factor, and will likely not remain so until the Kraang are once again onscreen, when the writers will once again try to convince us that it’s all terribly important and dramatic, even when it makes no sense and contradicts everything we've been told before.

The really ironic thing is that the Northampton stories have been some of my favorite in the series (by which I mean that they've been mostly inoffensive, except when they aren't). The context they exist, though, doesn't work at all.


This has been a rant.

You know, you've actually pointed out something! You would think they would spend a few episodes trying to prepare for the battle in New York to make the plot much more consistent but instead why are we still getting horror based episodes when it' almost the end of November. If this continues to December, I'd have to ask what were they thinking. I am curious to know what the plot of the Spirit Quest episode is about but if it's literally going to take just one episode of preparation for their return then that's lazy writing on their part.


Now for my criticisms, some have already been spoken by others but I'll list what my main ones are:
1) Please stop returning so many OT characters and elements. I know they are bringing in Mirage characters and even a 2k3 character but they still seem to insist on bringing back more than enough aspects from the OT. The Punk Frogs were reinvented poorly that they might as well have been different characters. There's a difference between reinventing characters and changing them into characters that are radically different.
2) Raphael needs some focus. Out of all of the turtles, he's the one you can tell the most interesting stories with. None of the Don and Mike episodes have been that interesting and the Leo episodes are mostly stories we haven't seen before.
3) I would like to see some more original characters to help make this show stand out. I really like Tiger Claw and Fish Face, even if they are mutants. I think you guys have some good ideas for villians of this show. Maybe we can get another ally or something.

[CyberCubed]

The Punk Frogs were reinvented poorly that they might as well have been different characters. .

Uh what? The Punk Frogs probably had one of the best and memorable reinventions

[Powder]

Yeah, for sure. I mean, I LOVE the originals, probably even prefer them ultimately (admittedly out of nostalgia & a fondness for their designs), but there's no denying the old school ones were all the same, both in looks & personality. The new guys are set apart in rad ways.

[neatoman]

What's with the hate for the reimagined Punk Frogs? Even if the new Punk Frogs aren't very appealing, they're way more memorable than the old Punk Frogs.

[Luckyday]

I got many complaints, heck we all do, but the reinventions of most characters are often creative in design and goes hand in hand with the voice behind each of them.

The budget and writing are so far the weakest parts of the show. Everything else is golden.

[Warhorse]

It would be a tragedy but how necessary was it for them have so many theme horror episodes?
It's like they put a 11 year old horror fan boy as head writer and he only wanted to see what he thought would be really cool to reference from.

I hate to say it, but that's exactly what they did, and what is happening (except that the 11 year old is in mind only.)

But yeah, my biggest gripes, lack of Raphael focus episodes. What's the point of hiring someone like Sean Astin to voice him if you aren't going to use him to his full advantage? Makes no sense. And I hate what happened to Irma (and hope the real one is there) and the lack of Karai. I'd rather it be an unmutated Karai that was with the Turtles instead of Casey or April.

And oh, I haven't seen much in the way of the Ninja in them. Have the soccer moms already got ahold of this show and put a stop to any ninja action?

[Metalwolf]

Now for my criticisms, some have already been spoken by others but I'll list what my main ones are:
1) Please stop returning so many OT characters and elements. I know they are bringing in Mirage characters and even a 2k3 character but they still seem to insist on bringing back more than enough aspects from the OT. Oh yes! It was cute when it was a homage here and there, and I don't even mind a few reinvented OT characters (like Bebop, Rocksteady, Baxterfly and Irma) but after that they honestly and truly need to quit. I might be in the minority, but I actually didn't like the OT cameo in Wormquake. The show was already treading dangerously close to OT overuse, but then the cameo came in Wormquake and it became too much and too blatant.


3) I would like to see some more original characters to help make this show stand out. I really like Tiger Claw and Fish Face, even if they are mutants. I think you guys have some good ideas for villians of this show. Maybe we can get another ally or something.Definitely. The only problem though is that they end up either being oneshots or nerfed, or barely developed. If they spent more time on the bad guys (and not have them be unnaturally silly) then it might make them feel like they were a threat. Right now it seems like the bad guys' lives revolve entirely around the Turtles, and that they go into some sort of stasis once a Turtle is not in the vicinity.

[Luckyday]

This is what makes me worried about Bebop and Rocksteady. I really hope that even after they get mutated that they won't stop trying to screw over the Shredder. There has to be someone with hidden agenda or interest that's not just about destroying the turtles.

Like Starscream from transformers always try to pull fast one over Megatron and that made him interesting.

Heck seems the premise of what made new enemies interesting gets drop after they get mutated.

[jenna]

what's the point of hiring someone like sean astin to voice him if you aren't going to use him to his full advantage?

Exactly! Sean Astin has a terrific range. He's already brought depth to the character, despite lack of opportunity. Give him a chance to really shine.

[aliena]

This is exactly what's wrong with this season. We wouldn't be nearly this piss off about these episodes if they were after The Return to New York arc. Had the head writers made a wise move to have them air after they save New York (except the Woods and Buried Secrets), editing out the scenes with Leo limping, and having just one scene, just one scene of dialogue with Master Splinter telling them that they should take themselves away from the city to rest then all of these fillers wouldn't feel so ****ing distracting in the first place!

That's all it takes to fix this. Even it means that Season 3 finale wouldn't be the Return to New York. I. DON'T. CARE! Just fix it.http://i.imgur.com/oDEgUqI.gif

That is exactly what is wrong with the show this season! If all these episodes happened after the invasion is over and everything is okay in NY, it would work for me. As they are, not working for me.

[aliena]

Most of my complaints have been mentioned. It's good that many of us are having the same problems. I was beginning to think it was because I binge watched the first two seasons and was watching season three live. Now I know different.

My biggest complaint is the lack of character development and a complete lack of concern for Splinter, Karai and NY. No one mentions anything, ever. Continuity is out of control. I'm so so tired of the love thing, want it gone now. I really don't care at this point. I'm bored to tears with the horror homages, surely they can think of something else.

I want Mikey to grow like he was starting to at the end of season two. I want Raph to get some episodes where he's not a coward about something. I do like how he's stepped up and become the leader while Leo was injured, but I'm ready for him to get some good episodes.

I'm starting to have a bad feeling about this show. I hate to see good shows die horrible deaths, but I fear this one will if changes don't happen soon. :cry:

[Metalwolf]

This is what makes me worried about Bebop and Rocksteady. I really hope that even after they get mutated that they won't stop trying to screw over the Shredder. There has to be someone with hidden agenda or interest that's not just about destroying the turtles.

Like Starscream from transformers always try to pull fast one over Megatron and that made him interesting. Indeed. The bad guys have gotten really boring, because they all seem to march in lockstep with each other now and have gotten all lovey dovey. There is no conflict, no nothing anymore, and they slide into the generic, overly loyal henchmen role. Shredder's house needs to (and is about due anyway) start crumbling from the inside, and I hope Bebop and Steranko are the guys to set it off.

Heck seems the premise of what made new enemies interesting gets drop after they get mutated.I agree. They lose their personalities and they quickly become just anther number. I always thought that was a shame, since it was yet another opportunity lost to explore that character.

[Luckyday]

Indeed. The bad guys have gotten really boring, because they all seem to march in lockstep with each other now and have gotten all lovey dovey. There is no conflict, no nothing anymore, and they slide into the generic, overly loyal henchmen role. Shredder's house needs to (and is about due anyway) start crumbling from the inside, and I hope Bebop and Steranko are the guys to set it off.

I agree. They lose their personalities and they quickly become just anther number. I always thought that was a shame, since it was yet another opportunity lost to explore that character.

You are seriously making me nervous about Karai when you say that.
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[Warhorse]

Most of my complaints have been mentioned. It's good that many of us are having the same problems. I was beginning to think it was because I binge watched the first two seasons and was watching season three live. Now I know different.

My biggest complaint is the lack of character development and a complete lack of concern for Splinter, Karai and NY. No one mentions anything, ever. Continuity is out of control. I'm so so tired of the love thing, want it gone now. I really don't care at this point. I'm bored to tears with the horror homages, surely they can think of something else.

I want Mikey to grow like he was starting to at the end of season two. I want Raph to get some episodes where he's not a coward about something. I do like how he's stepped up and become the leader while Leo was injured, but I'm ready for him to get some good episodes.

I'm starting to have a bad feeling about this show. I hate to see good shows die horrible deaths, but I fear this one will if changes don't happen soon. :cry:

Yeah, at this rate, with the falling ratings, the pretty much no shows on Nick, regardless if season 4 has been green lit or not, I would not be surprised if Nick does an about face and ends up cancelling the show before season 3 is even finished.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Exactly! Sean Astin has a terrific range. He's already brought depth to the character, despite lack of opportunity. Give him a chance to really shine.

Sorry, that's not allowed. Actual depth for Raph to shine? Raph-solo episodes for him to shine? You're just silly for thinking that :lol:

They need room for the 'more important' stuff.

Like turning Raph into a flower and making him more & more Pointless/Useless to the Family. Or having him treat Mikey the most like crap by saying he's worthless (when...eh, wait...wasn't HE the one who hugged/calmed down Raph in the Season 2 finale? Oh yeah, that's right. The show doesn't actually FOLLOW THROUGH on stuff like that). Or to leave more room for those 'CA-RAZY' characters like Chicken Man and Bigfoot Lady and whatever else they throw out there. Or More of the Casey/April/Don Sitcom.

If you think about it...what does Raph have? Leo has the Karai stuff which could easily lead to the Splinter & Shredder stuff. Don has the 'Don/April/Casey' Sitcom stuff (even the Casey character is more with Don than Raph). And later on Mikey is even getting the Girlfriend stuff with Renet (plus even he has gotten to shine more than Raph).

And please, don't give me that 'Dark Raph' stuff because I guarantee they'll botch that, just like they botched the Slash stuff.

See, if they did plots like the Slash stuff RIGHT (a good episode, and then completely botched with quickly turning Slash on the 'righteous path' instead of using that as an ongoing mirror image with Raphael...as in Raph could easily become Slash if it wasn't for him having a family, etc.) then that'd be one thing (and if it's about 'well Corey Feldman was only signed on for'...then honestly, get someone who would be Willing to voice more episodes and be as supporting character). But it's not that at all.

Also, why the hell would Mikey NOT want Raph to hug him in that one episode? ("it was meant as a joke"...well, it wasn't Funny and it didn't make sense at all). Out of all of them, Mikey would be the one who would be Most tickled with that.

[BabyTurtles]

See, if they did plots like the Slash stuff RIGHT (a good episode, and then completely botched with quickly turning Slash on the 'righteous path' instead of using that as an ongoing mirror image with Raphael...as in Raph could easily become Slash if it wasn't for him having a family, etc.) then that'd be one thing (and if it's about 'well Corey Feldman was only signed on for'...then honestly, get someone who would be Willing to voice more episodes and be as supporting character). But it's not that at all.
.

yea slash turning good ticked me off too....

The mutant pretty much mauled Donnie and gave an intense beat down to Mikey and all of a sudden Raph is cool with him next time we see him.

:ohwell: he could have been a cool villain. (or anti-hero)

[pennydreadful]

See, if they did plots like the Slash stuff RIGHT (a good episode, and then completely botched with quickly turning Slash on the 'righteous path' instead of using that as an ongoing mirror image with Raphael...as in Raph could easily become Slash if it wasn't for him having a family, etc.) then that'd be one thing (and if it's about 'well Corey Feldman was only signed on for'...then honestly, get someone who would be Willing to voice more episodes and be as supporting character). But it's not that at all.

I'm sure that Corey would love to do any amount of work with regards to voicing for TMNT; he was pretty gutted when he wasn't put on for Donnie's voice in SoTO due to his past drug use. He was very enthusiastic about his involvement in the third film, and he's been on an episode of Robot Chicken so he has rapport with Seth Green and Sean Astin. I'd absolutely love to have more Corey in Nick Turtles. Call me a nostalgia geek but he's a big part of the TMNT experience for me.

And I don't want this to sound horrible, because I really like Corey - I don't think that he'd have much in the way of scheduling conflicts if he were to be offered a larger number of episodes. If they can afford Astin, Biggs and Green, adding Feldman in for a few more episodes isn't going to break the budget. Again, I don't want that to sound mean - I'm just looking at it logically.

[Konchadunga]

Just about everything I hate about this show, and moreover, this season, has been mentioned, but I'm curious; what are people citing with regard to falling ratings? Who is giving these ratings?

[Luckyday]

Just about everything I hate about this show, and moreover, this season, has been mentioned, but I'm curious; what are people citing with regard to falling ratings? Who is giving these ratings?

It's on the wikipedia.

[IndigoErth]

Are there other good sources outside Wikipedia?

I'm sure it's not true, but I just have this vision of fans from some other competing show going "Hey, lets change this info and freak them out..." :lol:

[Autbot_Benz]

I checked TVGuide.com for next friday and they are showing reruns of Dream Beavers & Race with the Demon on Friday.

[IndigoErth]

I checked TVGuide.com for next friday and they are showing reruns of Dream Beavers & Race with the Demon on Friday.
Agree, that is terrible. How could they even consider airing TMNT, it's not supposed to exist on Nick unless there's a new one. :P (I kid... complaint thread after all.)

Unless that's an indirect complaint about the newest hiatus then I really do agree.

[Autbot_Benz]

Agree, that is terrible. How could they even consider airing TMNT, it's not supposed to exist on Nick unless there's a new one. :P (I kid... complaint thread after all.)

Unless that's an indirect complaint about the newest hiatus then I really do agree.

ya i hope its not a long Hiatus this is getting stupid. whoops I meant to put this in the info thread

[miru]

I hope "Race With the Demon" is the last "Mutant of the Week" episode. Can we get back to the plot already, please?

[Powder]

I hope "Race With the Demon" is the last "Mutant of the Week" episode. Can we get back to the plot already, please?

Don't count on that, given we have Mondo Gecko & Muckman to expect yet. Plus there's sure to be others who were not revealed at a convention or whatever.

[Warhorse]

I'm sure that Corey would love to do any amount of work with regards to voicing for TMNT; he was pretty gutted when he wasn't put on for Donnie's voice in SoTO due to his past drug use. He was very enthusiastic about his involvement in the third film, and he's been on an episode of Robot Chicken so he has rapport with Seth Green and Sean Astin. I'd absolutely love to have more Corey in Nick Turtles. Call me a nostalgia geek but he's a big part of the TMNT experience for me.

And I don't want this to sound horrible, because I really like Corey - I don't think that he'd have much in the way of scheduling conflicts if he were to be offered a larger number of episodes. If they can afford Astin, Biggs and Green, adding Feldman in for a few more episodes isn't going to break the budget. Again, I don't want that to sound mean - I'm just looking at it logically.
Well, with Sean Astin and Corey Feldman in TMNT, and heck with Seth Green as well, I'd love it if they did a homage to Goonies/Without a Paddle one day. But like many have said, it's like the writing team isn't even trying anymore.

[miru]

Don't count on that, given we have Mondo Gecko & Muckman to expect yet. Plus there's sure to be others who were not revealed at a convention or whatever.

I don't really count Mondo and Muckman as mutants of the week.

[Luckyday]

Well, with Sean Astin and Corey Feldman in TMNT, and heck with Seth Green as well, I'd love it if they did a homage to Goonies/Without a Paddle one day. But like many have said, it's like the writing team isn't even trying anymore.

Is not that they're lazy. Is just that they not really interested in telling their own story. Even with this arc, there are pieces of the original movie/ comic book. Most of stuff that they are doing is just stuff be retold in a slightly different light.

The only truly original thing that they have done story wise was the Kraang Invasion but even that has been redone again.

The fact that they're stretching this out shows that things are going to get resolve very quickly once they are back in New York. Everything might even go back to status quo, which means it won't lead into anything, and they will go back to more mutant of the week episodes and stand alones, and if that happens then I will no longer have a reason to watch this show week to week anymore because I can't stand shows that refuses to grow. There is no investment for me to do so. I will never have to worry about not being caught up because there is nothing to get caught on. If said character mention one little thing then I just google it.

It not hard to follow what's going on. I got into Walking Dead near the end of Season 3 and I have yet to feel compel to watch earlier episodes because I had read the comic so I had a inkling on what happened and I heard most of the episodes were crap. We live in the information age, people. It's not a chore anymore to keep touch with what going on with anything!

And don't get me started on Apritello. They took something that would have been compelling and complex in it's own right and they made it into a joke that's not funny anymore.

Screw you Nickelodeon for pushing it down my throat! If you were trying to get me to hate this ship then mission ****ing accomplish!
AND SCREW YOU FOR GIVING APRIL'S BLOOD SPARKLES! STOP TRYING TO TURN THIS INTO TWILIGHT! http://www.narutoforums.com/picture.php?albumid=6596&pictureid=75796

[Powder]

I don't really count Mondo and Muckman as mutants of the week.

Well, if they show up once & never again (always possible), wouldn't that be what they are, even if they're pre-established characters?

[CyberCubed]

Well, if they show up once & never again (always possible), wouldn't that be what they are, even if they're pre-established characters?

Any character who isn't a major recurring mutant like Rahzar, Fishface, Baxter, Leatherhead and now Rocksteady/Bebop is a "mutant of the week."

Its pretty obvious aside from the mutants who work for Shredder and Leatherhead everyone else is mutant of the week even if they return for a second appearance. Look at the way Spiderbitez was treated for example, he returned but his role was so minimal it barely mattered.

[miru]

Any character who isn't a major recurring mutant like Rahzar, Fishface, Baxter, Leatherhead and now Rocksteady/Bebop is a "mutant of the week."

Its pretty obvious aside from the mutants who work for Shredder and Leatherhead everyone else is mutant of the week even if they return for a second appearance. Look at the way Spiderbitez was treated for example, he returned but his role was so minimal it barely mattered.

Slash had two major appearances and one minor.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Slash had two major appearances and one minor.

That's true and honestly that should not have been the case. If the writers are not going to give the Raphael character anything...then at least have a parallel story between him & Slash (you can EASILY have a supporting story where these two are very similar yet different and how they parallel with each other). That way Raph has at least SOMETHING. Not just to get turned into flowers and be useless, or getting his head turned into a Turkey.

[ssjup81]

I'm sure that Corey would love to do any amount of work with regards to voicing for TMNT; he was pretty gutted when he wasn't put on for Donnie's voice in SoTO due to his past drug use. He was very enthusiastic about his involvement in the third film, and he's been on an episode of Robot Chicken so he has rapport with Seth Green and Sean Astin. I'd absolutely love to have more Corey in Nick Turtles. Call me a nostalgia geek but he's a big part of the TMNT experience for me.

And I don't want this to sound horrible, because I really like Corey - I don't think that he'd have much in the way of scheduling conflicts if he were to be offered a larger number of episodes. If they can afford Astin, Biggs and Green, adding Feldman in for a few more episodes isn't going to break the budget. Again, I don't want that to sound mean - I'm just looking at it logically.I always figured this was the issue with using certain people for voicing roles. I figured the reason Slash isn't featured more is because of Corey. Could be a payment issue or anything, like how out of all of the villains, we see Baxter the least.

[Donnieangelo]

And don't get me started on Apritello. They took something that would have been compelling and complex in it's own right and they made it into a joke that's not funny anymore.

Screw you Nickelodeon for pushing it down my throat! If you were trying to get me to hate this ship then mission ****ing accomplish!
AND SCREW YOU FOR GIVING APRIL'S BLOOD SPARKLES! STOP TRYING TO TURN THIS INTO TWILIGHT! http://www.narutoforums.com/picture.php?albumid=6596&pictureid=75796
I'm glad I don't ship anybody from TMNT. And my favorite pairing is from somewhere else. (I'm looking at you, Chipmunks! :))

Another problem is that Don's liking for April is becoming one of his only traits. :ohwell: He isn't as awesome as he used to be back then.

[pennydreadful]

It'd be cool if we got to see more Slash tied in with the Dark Raph storyline...

And again, not wanting to be a douche, but I don't see Corey turning down paying work... know what I'm saying? Dude's got child support to pay.

[Coola Yagami]

I kinda hope mondo gecko is in New York. He works better in a city setting and I'd like to see him return more often than just 'whenever they go to Northampton again'.

[CyberCubed]

I kinda hope mondo gecko is in New York. He works better in a city setting and I'd like to see him return more often than just 'whenever they go to Northampton again'.

Since his episode is #17 I'm pretty sure he'll be in NYC.

[Luckyday]

After everything that had happen, I don't think that they will ever want to go back to Northampton.

[THGhost]

Yeah, for sure. I mean, I LOVE the originals, probably even prefer them ultimately (admittedly out of nostalgia & a fondness for their designs), but there's no denying the old school ones were all the same, both in looks & personality. The new guys are set apart in rad ways.

Totally! The original Punk Frogs are nostalgic icons. But I too really like the new designs.

[snake]

That's true and honestly that should not have been the case. If the writers are not going to give the Raphael character anything...then at least have a parallel story between him & Slash (you can EASILY have a supporting story where these two are very similar yet different and how they parallel with each other). That way Raph has at least SOMETHING. Not just to get turned into flowers and be useless, or getting his head turned into a Turkey.

I seriously wonder if all this Raph torture is one for the reasons he joins the foot. He's sick of all the stuff that happens to him as well as whatever other reasons he goes dark, that he joins Shredder.

[PangolinFeets]

It'd be cool if we got to see more Slash tied in with the Dark Raph storyline...

And again, not wanting to be a douche, but I don't see Corey turning down paying work... know what I'm saying? Dude's got child support to pay.

Exactly what I'm thinking.

[Luckyday]

I seriously wonder if all this Raph torture is one for the reasons he joins the foot. He's sick of all the stuff that happens to him as well as whatever other reasons he goes dark, that he joins Shredder.

It would make Shredder seem like a true magnificent bastard if he was able manipulate Raphael to join him with out the use of hallucinatory drugs.

[miru]

It would make Shredder seem like a true magnificent bastard if he was able manipulate Raphael to join him with out the use of hallucinatory drugs.

He'd also likely use a certain Da Vinci painting to help out.

[Luckyday]

He'd also likely use a certain Da Vinci painting to help out.

Is this something from OT?

[Leo656]

Pretty sure they were making a Mona Lisa reference.

[Luckyday]

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140306235153/epicrapbattlesofhistory/images/c/c7/I_see_what_you_did_there_bcc75e0a36f4020f302b41c9a 40d0597.jpg

I am so slow today.:P

[ticktack]

:o
may I join?
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I'm just here and reading your written wit. :tlol:
He'd also likely use a certain Da Vinci painting to help out.

[Luckyday]

:o
may I join?
http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140306235153/epicrapbattlesofhistory/images/c/c7/I_see_what_you_did_there_bcc75e0a36f4020f302b41c9a 40d0597.jpg
I'm just here and reading your written wit. :tlol:


For a minute I thought it would reference to a OT episode of one of many wacky shredder's weird schemes like he going to use a curse painting or something.

[neatoman]

So I've heard that Ciro claimed that he wanted the show to have a nice blend of episodic and serialised storytelling, in my opinion he has failed.

In order to have a good balance, most of the standalone episodes has to be relevant to the story in some noticable way. It looked like that's what they were trying to do in season 1 but several episodes from that season alone seemed skippable, most of the characters introduced were trivial in the long run despite "I will retun!" thing. This became all the more clear in season 2 since if a character returned, it was usually as a cameo or an hallucination. Season 3 opened up on a bunch of standalone horror parodies, which make a little less than a fourth of the season mind you.

Look Ciro if you're reading this, you did not find a balance, the standalone episodes just clog up the story and come off like pointless filler. If you can't make most episodes feel like they're both individual and part of something greater, then you should go one way or the other. Either have a purely episodic format or go all out on the serialisation, and trust me on this one, the idea that kids can't follow serialised shows is ********.

[IndigoErth]

and trust me on this one, the idea that kids can't follow serialised shows is ********.
That for sure. And would also like to add that those that don't probably don't care anyhow. They're kids, they're there to watch a cartoon they enjoy, no matter if they're keeping up with a story or not. It never bothered me at that age if I wasn't up on the story if the show itself was enjoyable to watch. ;)

Good storylines for those who are paying attention and done with a show that's still otherwise enjoyable for anyone, you'll prob, I assume, please all kinds of audience in that case.

[PangolinFeets]

I don't wanna wait until Jan for new episodes. Waaa....

[Warhorse]

That for sure. And would also like to add that those that don't probably don't care anyhow. They're kids, they're there to watch a cartoon they enjoy, no matter if they're keeping up with a story or not. It never bothered me at that age if I wasn't up on the story if the show itself was enjoyable to watch. ;)

Good storylines for those who are paying attention and done with a show that's still otherwise enjoyable for anyone, you'll prob, I assume, please all kinds of audience in that case.

How old do they think the demographic is? I ask this, because for starters, in the beginning of each episode, there is a Y present, and this stands for 7 years and up. Most kids I see with toys and buying TMNT merchandise tend to be about 10ish. My little cousin is 9 who was watching the show, and she can follow stuff like Sleepy Hallow and The Walking Dead without a problem. Kids aren't stupid.

[snake]

How old do they think the demographic is? I ask this, because for starters, in the beginning of each episode, there is a Y present, and this stands for 7 years and up. Most kids I see with toys and buying TMNT merchandise tend to be about 10ish. My little cousin is 9 who was watching the show, and she can follow stuff like Sleepy Hallow and The Walking Dead without a problem. Kids aren't stupid.

I think Nick wants the target audience to be "kids" in general becuase the tone is all over the place. You have an episode where a fan favorite gets her life ruined by her father and follow it up with a wacky Big Trouble In Little China episode.

[IndigoErth]

How old do they think the demographic is? I ask this, because for starters, in the beginning of each episode, there is a Y present, and this stands for 7 years and up. Most kids I see with toys and buying TMNT merchandise tend to be about 10ish. My little cousin is 9 who was watching the show, and she can follow stuff like Sleepy Hallow and The Walking Dead without a problem. Kids aren't stupid.
That wasn't my point at all.

I was adding comment in terms of kids who simply do not follow it, for any reason, not an assumption that they are unable. My actual point was:
Good storylines for those who are paying attention and done with a show that's still otherwise enjoyable for anyone

"Those who are paying attention" collectively including anyone of any age who is.

[snake]

Kids can follow story arcs, look at Star Wars:The Clone Wars. Later seasons were made up entirely of 4 episode arcs with some adult themes. (Slavery, Prison Camps, ect) And that show was still marketed to children.

[plastroncafe]

Not only that, but I've heard the episodes were originally aired out of order, so not only could kids follow, but they did so in spite of the network's interference.

[IndigoErth]

If it must be said in plain language.

I never said kids can not.

[Vicky82]

Not only that, but I've heard the episodes were originally aired out of order, so not only could kids follow, but they did so in spite of the network's interference.

None of episodes in season 3 so far are out of order unless your thinking of some of the episodes in season 1 and 2 which clearly shows here.


112 Dec-15-2012 It Came From the Depths
114 Jan-25-2013 I, Monster
113 Feb-1-2013 New Girl In Town

201 Oct-12-2013 The Mutation Situation
203 Oct-19-2013 Invasion of the Squirrelanoids
202 Nov-2-2013 Follow the Leader

217 May-11-2014 Newtralized!
219 May-18-2014 Pizza Face
218 Jun-8-2014 The Wrath of Tiger Claw


http://www.kidstvinfo.com/eplists/nick/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles.txt

[plastroncafe]

I was referring to Clone Wars, not TMNT.
Sorry for the confusion.

[snake]

Not only that, but I've heard the episodes were originally aired out of order, so not only could kids follow, but they did so in spite of the network's interference.

No, they weren't out of order. That was intentional. Some in season 3 happened before other episodes, but nothing major contradicted them becuase they had a "newsreel" at the begining of each episode to show what happened offscreen to lead you into the story.

[Metalwolf]

Kids can follow story arcs, look at Star Wars:The Clone Wars. Later seasons were made up entirely of 4 episode arcs with some adult themes. (Slavery, Prison Camps, ect) And that show was still marketed to children.It also showed people dying on screen, girls getting forced into marriages, dead people getting 'resurrected' through Force magic and coming back as rotting zombies, and other intense stuff.

A crucial difference between this and Nick's TMNT though was that Lucas wanted to put out 100 episodes, no matter which way the ratings went for the series. (It ran for 122.) They got away with having arcs and the stuff they did because ratings got taken out of the equation, and thus were able to let their creative juices flow. Not surprisingly it got really good, so people were not happy when Disney decided to axe it.

If Ciro was not constrained by Nick's fear of ratings and angry soccer moms, I think TMNT would have a lot more 'Ooomph' to it. We'd probably have arcs and more character development, and maybe the Turtles talking about their fears while in North Hampton. Problem is though that Cartoon Network has far bigger stones then Nick, and is not afraid of getting away with more. Nick doesn't do that, and thus the series suffers.

[blindturtle02]

I had an angry socker stepgrandma in my family. She was the bane of the original TMNT. I wonder if Nick is receiving any angry letters from parents these days. Seems like things have mellowed out since the 90's. I'd enjoy seeing more arcs in this series. Always been a fan of that type of storytelling.

[snake]

I had an angry socker stepgrandma in my family. She was the bane of the original TMNT. I wonder if Nick is receiving any angry letters from parents these days. Seems like things have mellowed out since the 90's. I'd enjoy seeing more arcs in this series. Always been a fan of that type of storytelling.

Stories. Stories please.

[Leofan26]

I had an angry socker stepgrandma in my family. She was the bane of the original TMNT. I wonder if Nick is receiving any angry letters from parents these days. Seems like things have mellowed out since the 90's. I'd enjoy seeing more arcs in this series. Always been a fan of that type of storytelling.

Legend of Korra didn't have this problem, Nick's getting angry letters from fans though over how the staffs being treated. I'd like to give them a one two myself for doing that to them, that wasn't right :x

[Metalwolf]

Legend of Korra didn't have this problem, Nick's getting angry letters from fans though over how the staffs being treated. I'd like to give them a one two myself for doing that to them, that wasn't right :xWhat's happening with the staff? I didn't hear anything about this :o

[plastroncafe]

Midway through production of Book 3 Nickelodeon cut the budget and the creators were left with either cutting an episode or firing staff. They opted to make a clip show with limited amount of new animated content so that their animators could still get paid.

[CyberCubed]

Hopefully this show doesn't have a clip show, but both the original toon and 4kids had one.

[Leo656]

Clip shows are annoying, but they're a necessary evil, sometimes. It's kind of naive to think a show won't have at least one, just about very show has at least ONE.

My favorite, though, was at the end of Season Two of the live-action "Superboy" Series; they clearly were out of money with about 6 episodes left to go in the Season so not only were the last few episodes super-cheap with almost zero action scenes and tons of piss-poor effects, they actually had TWO clip shows within like, three or four episodes of each other. The second clip show episode, if I recall correctly, actually used the "new" footage from the FIRST clip show, because nothing says "nostalgia" like "Here's What You Saw Two Weeks Ago." :lol: They also had two Gilbert Gottfried episodes with a few episodes of each other, and the viewer is to assume the events are at least a few months apart, but it was all clearly shot the same day because everyone is wearing the exact same clothes and they're using the exact same sets, and you can really tell because you're watching them like, an hour apart from each other. It's like they were stapling every single bit of available footage together to make the last few episodes, it's so lame. :lol:

[IndigoErth]

Gawd, no clip shows please. People complain about fillers, well there's the king. They're like the equivalent of a singer doing a Christmas album.

[snake]

Clip shows are the worst. It's a full half hour of



REMEMBER THIS?


THIS HAPPENED!

REMEMBER?

[ssjup81]

For the OT, a clip show wasn't such a bad idea. Wasn't it during like season 4 or 5 anyway? That aside, back then it wasn't as easy to catch up if you missed an episode or two or five or ten, etc. I watched a lot of the OT, but I know I didn't see every single solitary episode back then either. Sometimes I wouldn't catch the syndicated eps that used to air in the evenings, or maybe I'd miss stuff because I was switching between ABC, CBS, and NBC...so yeah. For a long-running series, especially back then, I can understand having a clip ep or a flashback ep.

Legend of Korra and the Nick series haven't been on long enough for that, imo, and it's easy to go back and watch eps that you missed, so it's not particularly necessary, unless it's for financial reasons.

I'm even more worried about this series now. Nick is doing a horrible job with the Turtles show and sounds like for you Korra folks, they're pissing all over that as well.

[Leofan26]

Oh nick's been pissing on Korra since book two, which is weird cuz it got big time ratings for them in book one.

I just hate how the they are treating the staff now is all, book three mess was one thing but this?

I hope this show doesn't get the same treatment.

[Sabacooza]

I've heard rumors that Nick cancels shows after just a few seasons regardless of whether it's doing good or not. That sounds rather ridiculous but the way Korra has been treated and now TMNT with the weird inconsistent time slots, lack of promotion, no repeats, multiple long breaks in between etc., it wouldn't surprise me if that were true.

[pennydreadful]

This wouldn't be more of the "cancel it/run it down because girls and women are watching it too" thing like what happened with Young Justice? (citation: http://io9.com/paul-dini-superhero-cartoon-execs-dont-want-largely-f-1483758317)

It just seems weird to me that you'd cancel a show that's making you money.

[Luckyday]

So I've heard that Ciro claimed that he wanted the show to have a nice blend of episodic and serialised storytelling, in my opinion he has failed.

In order to have a good balance, most of the standalone episodes has to be relevant to the story in some noticable way. It looked like that's what they were trying to do in season 1 but several episodes from that season alone seemed skippable, most of the characters introduced were trivial in the long run despite "I will retun!" thing. This became all the more clear in season 2 since if a character returned, it was usually as a cameo or an hallucination. Season 3 opened up on a bunch of standalone horror parodies, which make a little less than a fourth of the season mind you.

Look Ciro if you're reading this, you did not find a balance, the standalone episodes just clog up the story and come off like pointless filler. If you can't make most episodes feel like they're both individual and part of something greater, then you should go one way or the other. Either have a purely episodic format or go all out on the serialisation, and trust me on this one, the idea that kids can't follow serialised shows is ********.

Seeing this show completely abandon it's attempt at doing story arcs would feel like such a let down but with the writers they have now it would better for them to be more episodic, and hurts for me to say that because I really love continuity. Regardless, I would rather watch a show that knows what it is and knows what its true talent lies then something that continues to fail at being.

https://38.media.tumblr.com/31aad22be5d9a317c840dba71be7bc2e/tumblr_mr39xaGLLQ1s2uppgo1_500.gif

[IndigoErth]

This wouldn't be more of the "cancel it/run it down because girls and women are watching it too" thing like what happened with Young Justice? (citation: http://io9.com/paul-dini-superhero-cartoon-execs-dont-want-largely-f-1483758317)

It just seems weird to me that you'd cancel a show that's making you money.
Better as heck not be. If anyone in there is thinking that, we need a bunch of women that can go ninja on their ass(es). Anyone who could look at a 30 year franchise everyone loves and continue to insist it's only for little boys... that person needs to be out of a job.

[Luckyday]

Better as heck not be. If anyone in there is thinking that, we need a bunch of women that can go ninja on their ass(es). Anyone who could look at a 30 year franchise everyone loves and continue to insist it's only for little boys... that person needs to be out of a job.

I don't understand the mindset of having things be only enjoy by a certain group of people. I might even argue that the whole point of story telling in of itself is to open a world or see through someone eyes that are different from your own or for the writer to help the reader to understand a perspective in a way that will result in empathy.

[TrickOrTreater]

This wouldn't be more of the "cancel it/run it down because girls and women are watching it too" thing like what happened with Young Justice? (citation: http://io9.com/paul-dini-superhero-cartoon-execs-dont-want-largely-f-1483758317)

It just seems weird to me that you'd cancel a show that's making you money.

If the show gets cancelled somebody at Nick's head is going to...

Well, there might be kids around so I can't say.

[IndigoErth]

I don't understand the mindset of having things be enjoy by certain group of people. I might even argue that the whole point of story telling in of itself is to open a world or see through someone eyes that are different from your own or for the writer to help the reader to understand a perspective in a way that will result in empathy.
Neither to I...

I don't see those ponies shutting down because some guys are into it. But, like in cases like that Young Justice show (that I've only read about), I guess some still believe girls/women are capable of poisoning things.

(Edit: Heck, I'm surprised some asshat isn't telling us not to watch during the 'wrong week' else we might curse the ratings. Those are the times we still live in, yes?)


(from link) "...because they believe girls and women don't buy the shows' toys."
Morons. Make them love it...allow them to, and they'll probably want all the damn toys.

As kids, my sister was the more girly princess type, but even she had a mix of stuff, including a couple Turtles and G.I. Joe. When did these people ever start stereotyping and making such strict assumptions about what kids will buy/want. :roll: Good shows should not have to die because of the stupidity of executives who probably neither watch nor buy.

[ssjup81]

This wouldn't be more of the "cancel it/run it down because girls and women are watching it too" thing like what happened with Young Justice? (citation: http://io9.com/paul-dini-superhero-cartoon-execs-dont-want-largely-f-1483758317)

It just seems weird to me that you'd cancel a show that's making you money.I could see people having that mindset 20+ years ago but not now.

[TrickOrTreater]

I could see people having that mindset 20+ years ago but not now.

Young Justice isn't a 20 year old show.

People have that mindset right now.

[Coola Yagami]

Young Justice isn't a 20 year old show.

People have that mindset right now.

All about the money and toys. If no one bought the toys, this show wouldn't have gotten a second season no matter how high the ratings were.

[ssjup81]

Young Justice isn't a 20 year old show.

People have that mindset right now.That's pretty much what I said. I could see that mindset existing 20 or so years ago, not now. I know Young Justice isn't 20 years old, which is why I'm surprised.

[plastroncafe]

Oh nick's been pissing on Korra since book two, which is weird cuz it got big time ratings for them in book one.

I just hate how the they are treating the staff now is all, book three mess was one thing but this?

I hope this show doesn't get the same treatment.

They started pissing on Korra from day one, when the creators dared to suggest the protagonist should be a teenage girl.

Boys apparently won't watch things with girls in them, but girls will be expected to watch all boy things...so long as the number of girls watching the all boy things doesn't grow too high. Because then the boys won't like it anymore.

[Sage Ninja]

what about My Little Pony Friendship is Magic? Isn't there a pretty strong male fan base for the as well as the female target audience?

that article Pennydreadful cited was pretty interesting. I remember back in 2009 when DC put out Wonder Woman that there was a rumor that because it did not make the numbers they wanted they cut a WW sequel in the same universe and a whole lot of other animated projects starring DC heroins (such as Black Canary) were shelved as a result. I had my issues with 2009 Wonder Woman movie but I still liked it for the most part. I think what turns some people off to heroins, especially ones like WW is that the strong capable female archetype is often portrayed as a man hater which turns men off, or over sexualized which turns women off. And WW in the 2009 movie has a definite prejudice. I even found it annoying. Especially when the obligatory scene where Steve Trevor finally calls her out on it for her attitude.

It's funny because WW as she was originally created was not a prejudiced or hard headed female warrior stereotype. She was all about love and peace and very much about equality and mutual respect between the sexes. By today's standards the original Wonder Woman from the 40's would be more identified as an egalitarian as well as a feminist icon. At any rate I find it disheartening a show's chances could be compromised because an overwhelming amount of girls and ladies are watching it rather than boys. I have always thought that TMNT was one of those gender neutral shows that had a good mixture of both boys and girls. I mean look at the technodrome, I think there are just as many females on as there are males.


edit: something to add about the original topic at hand. The same ******** that has become a staple in modern iterations of Mikey is very much present in the Nick toon. He is a screw up. No one takes him seriously. He is weird and off the wall for the sake of being it. Every one acts surprised when he has a rare moment of insight or a shows a sliver of intellect. He is naive and childish, with all the stereotypical baggage that goes along with that. ect.

In the Croaking he trashes the house and Raphael makes a harsh comment to him and April calls every one out on it. However the writers choose the wrong situation for their annoyance of Mikey's behavior to be taken task over. I feel they were justified in being pissed. Hell if someone trashed my house once in a week , let along three times I would have harsh words for that person too. Then Mikey runs away and the guys have clean up his mess. It made Mikey's actions more annoying and immature April's rant seem unwarranted. Why not choose a situation where Mikey isn't clearly being a obnoxious, or a situation where he genuinely makes a mistake, like other times when the guys have had been harsh with him and it was uncalled for? As ushaul the writers picked the wrong time to address this instead of an actual instance where it was called for. This happens alot across the tmnt media with story telling with Mikey.

ANother time was in Grudge Match in the 2k3 series.

[plastroncafe]

Gender neutral shows don't top out at two female characters.

As for My Little Pony, you'll notice that more people know about the show now thanks to its highly unorthodox male fanbase, than it ever did when it was merely popular with its target demographic. The exception doesn't disprove the rule.

[Metalwolf]

All about the money and toys. If no one bought the toys, this show wouldn't have gotten a second season no matter how high the ratings were.It's weird that they're focusing so much on toys, when there are other ways to make money, like games. There is such a growing gaming market that often times you can make a wad of money if the game is good. (I know they did release a few TMNT games within the last couple years, but one of those was known to be kind of buggy.)

And as for them thinking girls don't like to buy toys? Why is there so much girl merchandise like Barbies and babies and whatnot? Girls buy toys, but they need commercials showing girls playing with TMNT stuff so they'll bug their parents to buy it. Plus I'm betting they'd love a lair set, with furniture and other things that they can re-arrange and have the Turtles 'live' in when they're not fighting the Foot. Start off with known merchandising strengths, and then move on from there.

[IndigoErth]

Well, some decision makers - many of whom are probably stuffy white collar men who may have little to no real understanding of girls and woman in the first place - seem to be under the impression that girls only buy princesses and pink stuff. Oh, and glittery stuff.

Being a grown woman saying I have a couple Turtles figures that keep me company here at the computer, aside from others displayed elsewhere, and that I only own one "princess" (wedding version Rapunzel because she's awesome) no doubt falls on deaf ears.

I have some faith that there are some behind TMNT that are not quite as blind as those behind some other properties. With a Walmart commercial having emphasized the husband's love of the Turtles and now a holiday Target(?) commercial with a little girl interacting with a Leo figure come to life along with other toys... I think someone gets it that girls and adults love it, too. I just hope they continue down that path of embracing that fact and doesn't stall or backtrack.

TMNT are a bit of an 'oddity' in their success and wide appeal, they're perfect for being outside the box and breaking glass ceilings on this stuff and maybe paving the way to encourage others of same/similar genre to be more open. They could be trailblazers in pop culture (and social) history if the right people will allow it. (The little Turtles intended to be just a quick joke 30 years ago might in some way change world... <3)

[Luckyday]

In the Croaking he trashes the house and Raphael makes a harsh comment to him and April calls every one out on it. However the writers choose the wrong situation for their annoyance of Mikey's behavior to be taken task over. I feel they were justified in being pissed. Hell if someone trashed my house once in a week , let along three times I would have harsh words for that person too. Then Mikey runs away and the guys have clean up his mess. It made Mikey's actions more annoying and immature April's rant seem unwarranted. Why not choose a situation where Mikey isn't clearly being a obnoxious, or a situation where he genuinely makes a mistake, like other times when the guys have had been harsh with him and it was uncalled for? As ushaul the writers picked the wrong time to address this instead of an actual instance where it was called for. This happens alot across the tmnt media with story telling with Mikey.


It moments like those when the writers can't see the context within the lines. Another example would be when April had to apology for getting angry at them for mutating her dad when it's exactly the right reaction to have. And there the fact that she rewarded for "always being there" when in fact that "being there" was stalking her which made that whole scene really unsettling. It was then after that when you start to realize of how unhealthy the entire relationship really is.

And another thing in the season 2 premier, she should call them out that people will get mutated due their negligence. Would it be hitting below the belt? Yeah but when later on when they are facing said mutants that were cause by them then April's words will start to really hit home and realize that their actions have consequences.

[plastroncafe]

I don't know who's doing the sales to Target, but they're on the right track. And were before that holiday commercial. About a year ago I went into the ladies' lingerie department and was more than delighted to find that they were selling TMNT knickers. I loved them so much I bought three pairs, along with Batman and Wonder Woman and Spider-man and Super Mario Bros...etc.

We're here to buy stuff that's marketed to us, but no one listens.

Most of the Big Name Booths at the cons I go to don't carry womens/girls sized t-shirts. If I want to find a property I love on a shirt at a con I have to hope someone's bootlegged something, or go to We Love Fine or Her Universe.

The people who made promotional apparel for a comic series called "Lumberjanes" didn't even have women's sized shirts.

Will we get more TMNT stuff from Nick? Maybe? But I'm not holding my breath. This is the company that never made a Toph action figure.

[snake]

I don't know who's doing the sales to Target, but they're on the right track. And were before that holiday commercial. About a year ago I went into the ladies' lingerie department and was more than delighted to find that they were selling TMNT knickers. I loved them so much I bought three pairs, along with Batman and Wonder Woman and Spider-man and Super Mario Bros...etc.

We're here to buy stuff that's marketed to us, but no one listens.

Most of the Big Name Booths at the cons I go to don't carry womens/girls sized t-shirts. If I want to find a property I love on a shirt at a con I have to hope someone's bootlegged something, or go to We Love Fine or Her Universe.

The people who made promotional apparel for a comic series called "Lumberjanes" didn't even have women's sized shirts.

Will we get more TMNT stuff from Nick? Maybe? But I'm not holding my breath. This is the company that never made a Toph action figure.
That would be Mattel who never made Toph. Nick had no influence on the line. It's mattels tradmark thing to say that boys won't play with girl figures (total BS), so they never made Katara, Azula or Toph.

[plastroncafe]

I still hold Nick accountable because at the end of the day they're the ones who signed the deal with Mattel...and Lego, now that I think on it.

[snake]

I still hold Nick accountable because at the end of the day they're the ones who signed the deal with Mattel...and Lego, now that I think on it.

Hasbro would've produced female characters. They would've been impossible to find, but they would make them.

[pennydreadful]

that article Pennydreadful cited was pretty interesting. I remember back in 2009 when DC put out Wonder Woman that there was a rumor that because it did not make the numbers they wanted they cut a WW sequel in the same universe and a whole lot of other animated projects starring DC heroins (such as Black Canary) were shelved as a result. I had my issues with 2009 Wonder Woman movie but I still liked it for the most part. I think what turns some people off to heroins, especially ones like WW is that the strong capable female archetype is often portrayed as a man hater which turns men off, or over sexualized which turns women off. And WW in the 2009 movie has a definite prejudice. I even found it annoying. Especially when the obligatory scene where Steve Trevor finally calls her out on it for her attitude.

It's funny because WW as she was originally created was not a prejudiced or hard headed female warrior stereotype. She was all about love and peace and very much about equality and mutual respect between the sexes. By today's standards the original Wonder Woman from the 40's would be more identified as an egalitarian as well as a feminist icon. At any rate I find it disheartening a show's chances could be compromised because an overwhelming amount of girls and ladies are watching it rather than boys. I have always thought that TMNT was one of those gender neutral shows that had a good mixture of both boys and girls. I mean look at the technodrome, I think there are just as many females on as there are males.


Hey, glad you enjoyed the article! I do like to try to back up those kinds of statements. :)

I loved the 2009 WW movie as well, though I didn't really see that WW had an attitude - it just seemed to me that she was annoyed when she felt that she was viewed as not being as capable as a man. Which, I mean, is sort of understandable - particularly when she's grown up on an island full of women, is one of the top warriors and is used to being viewed as competent.

WWs portrayal has always varied quite wildly over the years, I've thought - like you said, she is supposed to represent equality, and I think that's a difficult act for some writers to handle when we're in an age where that issue is extremely contentious. I think a lot of the time, people don't really know how to write her.

There's actually a really interesting book that's just come out on WWs origin and how that pertained to the civil rights movement: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/11267676/Bondage-fan-birth-control-advocate-and-suffragette-Meet-the-real-Wonder-Woman.html

It's weird that they're focusing so much on toys, when there are other ways to make money, like games.

This, so much this. It's silly to cancel a high-rating show because enough toys aren't being sold - why not just expand the range of merchandise on offer? When you've got the audience already there and into the show, that's half the battle won already - they want to give you their money, you just need to give them options. It's like building a sandwich bar and complaining that people aren't buying because the only thing on your menu is ham sandwiches. Not everybody likes ham sandwiches, but they're interested in sandwiches of some kind, because otherwise they wouldn't have come to the bar in the first place.

[blindturtle02]

I hope the show lasts at least four seasons. It had a great start and it'd suck to see this one go the way of Young Justice, EMH, etc. If it does get canceled after 4 seasons, I guess it'll be the second shortest TMNT series behind Next Mutation. Although I'd love to see it surpass 200 episodes if possible. I gotta say the weirdo timeslot has me worried just a bit.

[RandomtasticFantasy]

Long rant short (just trust me on this): I'm tired of being pandered to with feminine stereotypes disguised as acts of progression. That and executives using those ridiculous stereotypes to scapegoat an entire gender as the reason a show is being cancelled because if girls like it, it MUST be doing something boys would hate/the show obviously changed into Twilight levels of horrid romance fodder for this many girls to enjoy it!

Why is it so hard to believe that some girls may like a show or a movie for most, if not all of the reasons a guy does? I don't need romance to be catered to executives: I didn't come to watch a show called Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles to see which turtle would hook with April or anyone else. I did adore Avengers or Thor in the off chance I'd see the guys shirtless and see is Black Widow hooked up with anyone. I didn't pay to see 300 4 freaking times with my husband just to see oiled up men in little clothing then whined that there wasn't enough 'drama for me' to get wrapped up in--like romance because girls like totally got as have romance in order to pay attention!!

Maybe I like great action scenes? Legitimate comedy, even if it's gross out humor (that isn't trying too hard to be 'shocking')? Fighting and hell yeah on the gore? Mutants saving New York from other evil mutants and ninjas? Hellsing...just...Hellsing. Abridged, the manga, both animes, whatever. Is it that hard to believe that when I walk into a store, I don't need you to make the Batman logo purple and the shirt pink or the Superman logo pink and frilly to make me buy it? Or that I love playing fighting games--or hell, just games, not to impress my male counter part or because I feel the need to please my husband but that I just like them? Not Candy Crush or puzzle/thinking games but 'hardcore' games?

...That got away from me. I apologize.

[IndigoErth]

Preach it, sister.
Is it that hard to believe that when I walk into a store, I don't need you to make the Batman logo purple and the shirt pink or the Superman logo pink and frilly to make me buy it?
But how would we otherwise identify that it's the one specifically for us? https://0.gravatar.com/avatar/92456f7273f71719f392436af8d35aa1?s=40&d=identicon&r=G I mean, our spectrum of color vision ranges from only pink to purple. This is why glitter is added, it's eye catching to help us find objects. We go into the girls section of a toy store and it's just like when Dorthy steps out the door in Oz, suddenly everything is in color!

:goof:

[pennydreadful]

Also, you have to wear pink nerd gear, otherwise the Y-chromosome Tru Fan Elite can't recognize you for the Fake Geek Girl you clearly are and stay far away from you. :roll:

Seriously though - rant away. You're not the only one here who feels this way, trust me.

[THGhost]

If this show gets cancelled, I wouldn't be surprised if Nick denied having ever bought the rights to the franchise in the first place and sold it someone else. :P

[Luckyday]

If this show gets cancelled, I wouldn't be surprised if Nick denied having ever bought the rights to the franchise in the first place and sold it someone else. :P

If that were the case, how you would you feel if everything had to be restarted from scratch?

[snake]

If that were the case, how you would you feel if everything had to be restarted from scratch?

I really wouldn't care as long as the Nick show got some closure.

[Luckyday]

I really wouldn't care as long as the Nick show got some closure.

Yeah I guess I would feel the same. But how to end show that so episodic other then destroying the shredder and defeating the kraang? Would you end it by letting them run into the sunset?:P

[Sabacooza]

If this show gets cancelled, I wouldn't be surprised if Nick denied having ever bought the rights to the franchise in the first place and sold it someone else. :Phopefully someone else buys it and won't crap all over it like Nick has. Would Disney be a viable option? How well do they promote and support their shows? I wish it would go to a company that genuinely loves the property and not just in it to make a quick buck.

[snake]

Yeah I guess I would feel the same. But how to end show that so episodic other then destroying the shredder and defeating the kraang? Would you end it by letting them run into the sunset?:P

I'd end it like Teen Titans, with them on a rooftop just as another crime is happening below. They jump into action and the show fades out.

[Luckyday]

hopefully someone else buys it and won't crap all over it like Nick has. Would Disney be a viable option? How well do they promote and support their shows? I wish it would go to a company that genuinely loves the property and not just in it to make a quick buck.



It would perfect for Disney XD and maybe they go as far doing a cross over with Daredevil.

Cartoon Network would be the best option but I have gut feeling that the end result would be too similar to Teen Titans. That's not a bad thing but IDK. I wonder how it fare being on FX alongside with the likes of Archer and Wilfred?

[Warhorse]

That wasn't my point at all.

I was adding comment in terms of kids who simply do not follow it, for any reason, not an assumption that they are unable. My actual point was:


"Those who are paying attention" collectively including anyone of any age who is.

Oh, I wasn't on your case, I was blaming who ever is in charge of the show for not really giving kids the benefit of the doubt in terms of the brains department. In this, I do think a TMNT show benefits more if told in a more serial manner instead of the episodic we have been getting.

It's weird that they're focusing so much on toys, when there are other ways to make money, like games. There is such a growing gaming market that often times you can make a wad of money if the game is good. (I know they did release a few TMNT games within the last couple years, but one of those was known to be kind of buggy.)

And as for them thinking girls don't like to buy toys? Why is there so much girl merchandise like Barbies and babies and whatnot? Girls buy toys, but they need commercials showing girls playing with TMNT stuff so they'll bug their parents to buy it. Plus I'm betting they'd love a lair set, with furniture and other things that they can re-arrange and have the Turtles 'live' in when they're not fighting the Foot. Start off with known merchandising strengths, and then move on from there.

Funny thing, when I do watch TMNT on Nick during it's regular time, the commercials airing are almost all showcasing female aimed toys. I believe they are very aware of the large female fan base watching the show, and I'm also pretty sure they already have marketing professionals there to tell them that, so it's why the female toys are being shown. Also, I'm pretty sure the Donnie/April teasing is there for the girls that are loving that and tune in every episode to see what happens. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if by the end of season 2, the crew were going to end any chance of Apritello, but Nick execs came in and said, hell no, keep it going!

[TrickOrTreater]

hopefully someone else buys it and won't crap all over it like Nick has. Would Disney be a viable option? How well do they promote and support their shows? I wish it would go to a company that genuinely loves the property and not just in it to make a quick buck.

You won't find companies that care. You'll find artists and writers and such that care(like the folks on the nick cartoon), but you'll be hard pressed to find major production companies that give a damn.

[Warhorse]

You won't find companies that care. You'll find artists and writers and such that care(like the folks on the nick cartoon), but you'll be hard pressed to find major production companies that give a damn.

True. The Peter Jacksons of the movie going world are far and few in between. And what's really hurting TMNT, is that studio execs are seeing it as a cartoon invented to sell toys. I bet most don't even know that it started out as a hard core comic book, and should be marketed like Avengers or Batman are being marketed, and not My Little Pony.

[TrickOrTreater]

True. The Peter Jacksons of the movie going world are far and few in between. And what's really hurting TMNT, is that studio execs are seeing it as a cartoon invented to sell toys. I bet most don't even know that it started out as a hard core comic book, and should be marketed like Avengers or Batman are being marketed, and not My Little Pony.

I mean, to be fair, even properties originally created to sell toys can produce amazing things.

Transformers have done great things, the movies not included.

All it takes is for somebody that cares and is talented to be involved.

[Sabacooza]

You won't find companies that care. You'll find artists and writers and such that care(like the folks on the nick cartoon), but you'll be hard pressed to find major production companies that give a damn. That's what's so damn sad and irritating, seeing something you love being held hostage by some clueless corporation. I can't complain about the merchandise but man, how they handle the TV show is abysmal.

[IndigoErth]

Funny thing, when I do watch TMNT on Nick during it's regular time, the commercials airing are almost all showcasing female aimed toys. I believe they are very aware of the large female fan base watching the show, and I'm also pretty sure they already have marketing professionals there to tell them that, so it's why the female toys are being shown.
But the head scratcher for me is...no TMNT merchandise commercials?

They may be recognizing that girls are into the show, but the toy commercials that air seem aimed more at the Barbie and Monsters High set. While there may be some viewers that are into both, the appeal of those toys/shows and TMNT may be very different interests and possibly attract very different audiences in part?

If toy sales help the show and people want girls to buy the toys... then advertise them in front of the girls!

[snake]

Is it that hard to give the fans what they want?

[Sabacooza]

Is it that hard to give the fans what they want?Apparently so.:roll:

[pennydreadful]

We should have a sit-in. :trazz:

What do we want?
CONSISTENT STORYLINES AND CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT!
When do we want it?
NOW!

:tlol:

[Leofan26]

That's what's so damn sad and irritating, seeing something you love being held hostage by some clueless corporation. I can't complain about the merchandise but man, how they handle the TV show is abysmal.

Oh for sure, Legend of Korra isn't the only show that they treated the staff poorly for not listening to them, ever heard of Hey Arnold or Invader Zim? Both ended on horrible notes with Nick that the people who worked on the shows decided never to work for the Network again. I'm surprised how much shows they still get handed to them to work with due to the bad rep they get from people who worked for this stinken Network.

I wish these people the best of luck whenever it ends, they'll need it. Any ways, yah I can't wait for them to head back to New York. At least we still have plots back there even if they did Muntants of the week in that place too but still had some plot than what we have now. I'm seriously sick of these ridiculous plots they've been coming up with, than when those are gone they fill it in with that love triangle they love. Legend of Korra had that love triangle from Hell but they learned from it and never spoke of it again :lol:

[ZariusTwo]

I'd end it like Teen Titans.

You mean spend a whole episode with Donatello stalking April while she's in school trying to get on with her life with a cyber-Shredder haunting him the whole time as the rest of the team face something monstrous from Dimension X and the fight is'nt resolved at the end?:P

[BubblyShell22]

But the head scratcher for me is...no TMNT merchandise commercials?

They may be recognizing that girls are into the show, but the toy commercials that air seem aimed more at the Barbie and Monsters High set. While there may be some viewers that are into both, the appeal of those toys/shows and TMNT may be very different interests and possibly attract very different audiences in part?

If toy sales help the show and people want girls to buy the toys... then advertise them in front of the girls!

I was just talking to my mom about this the other day when they were talking about top toys on The Today Show. They said that TMNT toys are the top ones for boys and I said to Mom, "Well, that's fine, but the problem is that Nick doesn't show any TMNT commercials when they air the show." It bugs the hell out of me to see Barbie and Monster High and other stuff but not TMNT. Yet I watch Cartoon Network and see TMNT commercials a few times while watching Teen Titans Go! So, yeah, that doesn't make any sense.

One complaint I have is that while we know Leo has physical injuries, I have a feeling he has mental scarring as well due to what happened to him, yet they haven't shown any of that. I really wish they would have said something along those lines in "In Dreams" and though they talked about him not getting better, I would have preferred a dream where he had to encounter Shredder, voicing the fears he has over facing him due to his ordeal. Now, maybe they're saving that for the vision quest episode, and if so, that's fine. However, I do think that while his dream was good, it could have been so much more.

[THGhost]

We should have a sit-in. :trazz:

What do we want?
CONSISTENT STORYLINES AND CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT!
When do we want it?
NOW!

:tlol:

And no more horror-themed episodes in November! :P

[Luckyday]

I was just talking to my mom about this the other day when they were talking about top toys on The Today Show. They said that TMNT toys are the top ones for boys and I said to Mom, "Well, that's fine, but the problem is that Nick doesn't show any TMNT commercials when they air the show." It bugs the hell out of me to see Barbie and Monster High and other stuff but not TMNT. Yet I watch Cartoon Network and see TMNT commercials a few times while watching Teen Titans Go! So, yeah, that doesn't make any sense.


If the tmnt sales rates are high then does it really matter if they're not shown on nick and during the show? Maybe their strategy is working.

[plastroncafe]

That's the thing though, the cartoon is the advertisement for the toys. It'd be redundant to show those commercials then. You show them at other times to get the kids interested in the cartoon.

[IndigoErth]

That's the thing though, the cartoon is the advertisement for the toys. It'd be redundant to show those commercials then. You show them at other times to get the kids interested in the cartoon.
...are they showing Monsters High toy ads to try to draw girls away from TMNT? o.O Just being fake cynical there ;), but goodness knows the strategies some might devise.

[Warhorse]

We should have a sit-in. :trazz:

What do we want?
CONSISTENT STORYLINES AND CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT!
When do we want it?
NOW!

:tlol:

And I want them to stop sidelining Raphael. I have never seen such a thing, to take one of the most popular characters and just stick him into the background. X-Men had to learn their lesson real fast when the one X-Men movie that had barely any Logan in it ended up being the lowest grossing X-Men movie to date. Perhaps the series might gain ratings if they did more Raph, and less Casey and April. April and Casey get more scenes and dialogue in one episode so far this season than Raph has in the whole season combined. And yes, I do have a problem with that. It's supposed to be Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, not Donnie, April, Casey and co.

[Powder]

Frankly, I'm glad to have less of Raph. He usually gets the spotlight. I mean, I'd rather the boys have equal screentime, & I loooove Astin as Raph, but still.

[BabyTurtles]

Frankly, I'm glad to have less of Raph. He usually gets the spotlight. I mean, I'd rather the boys have equal screentime, & I loooove Astin as Raph, but still.

Less Donnie would be nice....

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Frankly, I'm glad to have less of Raph. He usually gets the spotlight. I mean, I'd rather the boys have equal screentime, & I loooove Astin as Raph, but still.

Well, even this season so far you had one where Mikey was upfront (with the Punk Frogs), one with Donnie & Casey upfront, and you can easily say that the first episode or such were centered on Leo (him getting out of a coma, defeating an enemy despite being weak but treading through, etc.) and even April has had one (April's 'mom', etc.) and yet none with Raph (unless in a bad spotlight, whether it be getting turned into a flower or calling a brother 'worthless' even though it makes little to no sense because that was the Same brother that helped you out with your anger in the last episode of Season 2...great job writers)...and none of the upcoming episodes seem at all 'Raph-related' either.

So yes, I agree with Warhorse.

[Luckyday]

Frankly, I'm glad to have less of Raph. He usually gets the spotlight. I mean, I'd rather the boys have equal screentime, & I loooove Astin as Raph, but still.

Or just have episodes that focus on them as a family. I would think anybody would want a episode that's base on that.

[snake]

Less Donnie would be nice....

Yeah, Donnie was pretty much the main turtle for the first two seasons. I'd love if we had each season focusing on a specific turtle, but the others would get the spotlight as well, just not as much as the main turtle. Although seeing Casey and Donnie as friends in upcoming episodes is going to be pretty awesome.


I noticed that Raph and Casey don't have that big of a friendship as they did in Mirage or 2k3, but it's nice to see it change up for once in awhile.

[IndigoErth]

More Raph substance
More Leo dialogue and recovery (Hell, he just stayed home for a good chunk of the last episode. Helps some in getting used to the new voice if we actually hear him more.)
More Mikey smarts and appreciation
More Donnie interests outside of April or competition (Really, get started on the blimp.)
More April stepping back and being a supporting role
More Casey being Raph's buddy

[snake]

Had a thought, thanks to IndigoErth. What if Donatello uses the blimp to get back to NYC, as using the roads would be dangerous?

[Luckyday]

Yeah, Donnie was pretty much the main turtle for the first two seasons. I'd love if we had each season focusing on a specific turtle, but the others would get the spotlight as well, just not as much as the main turtle. Although seeing Casey and Donnie as friends in upcoming episodes is going to be pretty awesome.


I noticed that Raph and Casey don't have that big of a friendship as they did in Mirage or 2k3, but it's nice to see it change up for once in awhile.

You really think that they not going to be at each other throats in future episodes?

I bet you anything that they're going to get on each other nerves and then kiss and make up all over again.

[snake]

You really think that they not going to be at each other throats in future episodes?

I bet you anything that they're going to get on each other nerves and then kiss and make up all over again.

I think A Race With The Demon gave it some closure. Forgetting what happened in that episode would be a crime and probably proof that they're being aired out of order.

[Luckyday]

I think A Race With The Demon gave it some closure. Forgetting what happened in that episode would be a crime and probably proof that they're being aired out of order.

Probably but at this rate with every time that they make up they increasingly get more affectionate with each other.http://i.imgur.com/6sF1cvK.png

[THGhost]

More Leo would be nice. Help some of us get a little more used to his new voice.

[ssjup81]

Well, even this season so far you had one where Mikey was upfront (with the Punk Frogs), one with Donnie & Casey upfront, and you can easily say that the first episode or such were centered on Leo (him getting out of a coma, defeating an enemy despite being weak but treading through, etc.) and even April has had one (April's 'mom', etc.) and yet none with Raph (unless in a bad spotlight, whether it be getting turned into a flower or calling a brother 'worthless' even though it makes little to no sense because that was the Same brother that helped you out with your anger in the last episode of Season 2...great job writers)...and none of the upcoming episodes seem at all 'Raph-related' either.

So yes, I agree with Warhorse.Raph being a victim in the first ep made sense. The plant thing didn't though. He was off his game because he had bee vigilant over Leo the entire time he was out. It makes sense if his game was off due to lack of proper rest.

Mikey as a screw up or whatever it was...April herself said that Mikey goofs off a lot. She also got on all three brothers for the way they treated Mikey, just that Raph was apparently the worst. It's like in Slash & Destroy how he got annoyed at Mikey for always messing up his things. For the Punk Frog ep, I figured that's what was being referred to. Not the type of situation like in the Invasion. Mikey messed up the house, so I figured it meant just that. Mikey makes messes or does something they perceive as annoying and get on his case or maybe they get on him for not contributing to the household or something.

[OrangeNinja1987]

and none of the upcoming episodes seem at all 'Raph-related' either.
So yes, I agree with Warhorse.

There's a rumored Dark Raph story arc coming up (which I believe is true) and a while back I'm pretty sure it was confirmed there will be an episode in season 3 explaining how Raph got the chip in his shell and the anger issues. Those sound like some nice 'Raph-related' episodes, don't ya think?

As for myself, I haven't noticed Raph getting sidelined at all. I can read all the complaints on here and not see what everyone else is seeing. IMO, Raph had some of the most incredible episodes of season 2 (Slash and Destroy, TGTB & Casey Jones, and Plan 10 - which I enjoyed a lot.)
While Raph is yet to have an episode in season 3 (we're only a few episodes in, and we now so little about the episodes coming up, besides that Bebop, Rocksteady, and Renet are coming, and that the turtles will eventually return to New York) he's still being useful. He's helping Leo heal and basically leading the team when Leo can't.
Yes, in the Croaking, Raphael did get angry with Mikey even though Mikey had helped him with his anger in the Invasion. But we must remember the invasion happened over 3 months ago, and families can bicker and fight to their hearts content but that doesn't mean they don't love each other.
And on a different note, I think the reason Northampton is so long and we've gotten no info on the condition of New York, is because the writers want us to be shocked when the return happens. I can see NYC being the center of a dystopian crisis, so insane it's unbelievable, while the Kraang reach further across the world with their power. Coming to NY to see this, this will definitely lower the confidence of the turtles and highten the stakes. The second half of the season, at the end of Northampton and in NYC, will be very dark and emotional for the most part, I'm almost certain. The Spirit Quests will kick that off.

[BabyTurtles]

I think A Race With The Demon gave it some closure. Forgetting what happened in that episode would be a crime and probably proof that they're being aired out of order.

uh....this already happened....

like twice.

Wormquake and that Ghost town one.

They never stay buddies for long.

That's why I'd rather have Casey and Raph's friendship, because Donnie and Casey's development is like a broken record.

[snake]

uh....this already happened....

like twice.

Wormquake and that Ghost town one.

They never stay buddies for long.

That's why I'd rather have Casey and Raph's friendship, because Donnie and Casey's development is like a broken record.
I never considered Wormquake closure becuase of how quickly THey made up and moved on with it. Completely forgot about the other episode have them make up.

[ssjup81]

There's a rumored Dark Raph story arc coming up (which I believe is true) and a while back I'm pretty sure it was confirmed there will be an episode in season 3 explaining how Raph got the chip in his shell and the anger issues. Those sound like some nice 'Raph-related' episodes, don't ya think?

As for myself, I haven't noticed Raph getting sidelined at all. I can read all the complaints on here and not see what everyone else is seeing. IMO, Raph had some of the most incredible episodes of season 2 (Slash and Destroy, TGTB & Casey Jones, and Plan 10 - which I enjoyed a lot.)
While Raph is yet to have an episode in season 3 (we're only a few episodes in, and we now so little about the episodes coming up, besides that Bebop, Rocksteady, and Renet are coming, and that the turtles will eventually return to New York) he's still being useful. He's helping Leo heal and basically leading the team when Leo can't.
Yes, in the Croaking, Raphael did get angry with Mikey even though Mikey had helped him with his anger in the Invasion. But we must remember the invasion happened over 3 months ago, and families can bicker and fight to their hearts content but that doesn't mean they don't love each other.
And on a different note, I think the reason Northampton is so long and we've gotten no info on the condition of New York, is because the writers want us to be shocked when the return happens. I can see NYC being the center of a dystopian crisis, so insane it's unbelievable, while the Kraang reach further across the world with their power. Coming to NY to see this, this will definitely lower the confidence of the turtles and highten the stakes. The second half of the season, at the end of Northampton and in NYC, will be very dark and emotional for the most part, I'm almost certain. The Spirit Quests will kick that off.I'm glad I'm not the only one who views Raph in this way. So he doesn't have the main storylines, he's still a great character and helpful to his brothers. His worry over Leo after his beat down, his trying to cheer up (distract) Donnie after the music box incident, his actually going out of his comfort zone to hug Mikey in the the Punk Frog ep to show that he did appreciate him, etc. Seriously, this trait has been there from the beginning, I feel.

So yeah, I can't see what others are either. As I've said before, I don't care much which turtle is attached to which storyline or arc, I just like the character and like seeing them interact with one another. In some ways, their interactions are very realistic.

As for the lack of NY coverage, I feel that maybe the EPF and government is covering it up somehow, so as not to alarm people.I never considered Wormquake closure becuase of how quickly THey made up and moved on with it. Completely forgot about the other episode have them make up.I still don't get how people view Donnie and Casey as hating each other. Jealous, sure, hating, no because neither would want anything bad to happen to the other literally. They're rivals. Not all rivals want the other one incapacitated.

Personally, I feel they keep going back to it every once in a while because, for the most part, it's a bit amusing sometimes how stupid both act regarding April.

[Warhorse]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who views Raph in this way. So he doesn't have the main storylines, he's still a great character and helpful to his brothers. His worry over Leo after his beat down, his trying to cheer up (distract) Donnie after the music box incident, his actually going out of his comfort zone to hug Mikey in the the Punk Frog ep to show that he did appreciate him, etc. Seriously, this trait has been there from the beginning, I feel.

So yeah, I can't see what others are either. As I've said before, I don't care much which turtle is attached to which storyline or arc, I just like the character and like seeing them interact with one another. In some ways, their interactions are very realistic.

As for the lack of NY coverage, I feel that maybe the EPF and government is covering it up somehow, so as not to alarm people.I still don't get how people view Donnie and Casey as hating each other. Jealous, sure, hating, no because neither would want anything bad to happen to the other literally. They're rivals. Not all rivals want the other one incapacitated.

Personally, I feel they keep going back to it every once in a while because, for the most part, it's a bit amusing sometimes how stupid both act regarding April.

I thought this was a place to whine and cry, not for the pros to come in here with their ass kissing responses? Either way, if you can't see that Raphael has been severely lacking in story structure compared to Donnie, Leo, April, Casey and Mikey, then you are blind. I have a serious problem that April and Casey are getting more of a spotlight than Raph is. Again, if you can't see this, then you're blind.

[Papenbrook]

For me, my main problems with the show include characters that are not used properly, recycled stories, and lack of screentime for certain characters. :(

[Sabacooza]

I thought this was a place to whine and cry, not for the pros to come in here with their ass kissing responses? Either way, if you can't see that Raphael has been severely lacking in story structure compared to Donnie, Leo, April, Casey and Mikey, then you are blind. I have a serious problem that April and Casey are getting more of a spotlight than Raph is. Again, if you can't see this, then you're blind.I feel your pain. Being a Raph fan myself, I can definitely see the lack of love for this character. Raph is on the bottom of the totem pole when it comes to character development. Why can't they all shine equally? If you're not able to write for all TMNT then pack it up and go home. I'm tired of the adventures of Donnie and April show.

[Warhorse]

I feel your pain. Being a Raph fan myself, I can definitely see the lack of love for this character. Raph is on the bottom of the totem pole when it comes to character development. Why can't they all shine equally? If you're not able to write for all TMNT then pack it up and go home. I'm tired of the adventures of Donnie and April show.

Or maybe just sell of Raphael to an independent party and then they might be able to do a proper story of him.

[Sabacooza]

Or maybe just sell of Raphael to an independent party and then they might be able to do a proper story of him.:lol:They might as well. They're not doing anything with him now.

[Warhorse]

You know, this season so far, there really hasn't been much ninja action. Mostly running, jumping or screaming from the Turtles. Usually in previous seasons, the slow parts were at least entertaining because the dialogue was genuinely funny, but now, during slow times it's just stupid, and the action is mostly the Turtles getting their asses kicked. Don't know about you, but when I watch an action show, I like to see the heroes actually kick ass. Right now, the action has been borng for the most part.

[Luckyday]

You know, this season so far, there really hasn't been much ninja action. Mostly running, jumping or screaming from the Turtles. Usually in previous seasons, the slow parts were at least entertaining because the dialogue was genuinely funny, but now, during slow times it's just stupid, and the action is mostly the Turtles getting their asses kicked. Don't know about you, but when I watch an action show, I like to see the heroes actually kick ass. Right now, the action has been borng for the most part.

Maybe it just me but I think the writing team duo Joshua Sternin & J.R. Ventimilia would been perfect for this. They're good when it comes to dialogue and interactions.

[Lethal Lullaby]

I want more Raphael/Donatello bonding. Lol sorry, but I really like seeing them together. (/^u^)/

[FoxBoxKid]

When the shell is the next episode? :x

[snake]

I want more Raphael/Donatello bonding. Lol sorry, but I really like seeing them together. (/^u^)/

They haven't really done much together, so I guess it would be cool.

[evan2000]

When the shell is the next episode? :x

Probably mid-January

They haven't really done much together, so I guess it would be cool.

The closest we ever got to Raph/Donnie bonding was in Operation: Breakout (the "sadorable" comment) right? Also some brief moments in Mutagen Man Unleashed and A Foot Too Big. Yeah we're really lacking interaction between the two middle child :tgrumble:

[pennydreadful]

It's a shame, because I felt there was a real closeness between Raph and Donnie in the 2k3 series; there were a lot of small moments between them that seems lacking in the Nick series.

[THGhost]

It's a shame, because I felt there was a real closeness between Raph and Donnie in the 2k3 series; there were a lot of small moments between them that seems lacking in the Nick series.

Yeah, and a platonic Donnie/April relationship. :tcool:

[Metalwolf]

My massive vent for today:

Finding out that there is a planned future crossover of Nick TMNT and the 80's cartoon.

I'd never thought I'd say this, but I'm starting to really hate the 80's cartoon now. The 80's show is fun when the references are small and wink-wink, but damn, can't this show do it's own thing now and expand on TMNT lore?

Must there be this constant referring back to the 80's cartoon?

[Leo656]

I'unno about all THAT, but I agree, it really annoys me that the 80s cartoon is really all "anyone" cares about as far as TMNT, just because they watched it for a couple years when they were 7-8 years old. While most everyone here stayed into TMNT through each new version, we're forced to sit and watch as the franchise is repeatedly hijacked by people who only cared for a year or so, 20+ years ago, as they cram their half-remembered "favorite stuff" into each new version.

I don't "hate" the 80s show but the fact that it won't f*cking die already is super annoying. I mean, yeah, it's why we're all here and bless 'em for it, but holy sh*t, enough already.

[plastroncafe]

I completely agree with the above.
It's just...tiresome.

[Leo656]

Frankly, if all else stayed the same, but we never, ever heard "Cowabunga" or another pizza pun again? I'd live with it.

[plastroncafe]

I love the subtle shout-outs and easter eggs. It's clear from the output that the creative minds behind the show love the source material. That kind of thing is always apparent in the work.

But cripes, enough with the Old Toon Hero Worship.
It's what got a whole lot of us through the door, but it's not what keeps all of us here.

[Metalwolf]

I'unno about all THAT, but I agree, it really annoys me that the 80s cartoon is really all "anyone" cares about as far as TMNT, just because they watched it for a couple years when they were 7-8 years old. While most everyone here stayed into TMNT through each new version, we're forced to sit and watch as the franchise is repeatedly hijacked by people who only cared for a year or so, 20+ years ago, as they cram their half-remembered "favorite stuff" into each new version.

I don't "hate" the 80s show but the fact that it won't f*cking die already is super annoying. I mean, yeah, it's why we're all here and bless 'em for it, but holy sh*t, enough already.Dang, I think you just summed up exactly everything what it is that annoys me. :thumbsup: :D

I don't hate the cartoon either actually, since it is the thing that got me into TMNTdom. I don't mind even the small nods to it here and there, I think it's just the blatant overuse of it for me. And seeing people cry for yet more of it? It's like people can't move on from the 80's show, and must constantly have it in TMNT or the TMNT doesn't feel like TMNT. :trolleye:

[ssjup81]

Hm, a crossover, eh? I joked about that before I even saw an episode of this series over how it'd be funny if Nick Donnie and OT Raph had a speaking scene together, but never thought much of it being a possibility, until seeing Wormquake and Wrath of Tigerclaw (showing that there are many dimensions and stuff). So yeah, they're probably doing this because they do have Rob in the cast. My other thought (a recent one) is that maybe it's an "in memory of" type thing, for James Avery. I sense some nice comedy gold there with the characters.

Maybe it'll be like in Detective Conan. For part of the series many years ago, the group TWO-MIX guest starred as themselves. The lead singer of the group, who was married, at the time, to the comic's creator/writer/artist, also voices the main character (Conan). The three-part ep (it was a murder case after all) had the music duo in it. They had jokes here and there over how similar she and Conan sounded and the irony behind it, like how Conan's character is a horrible singer despite sounding similar to that of an actual vocalist. So yeah, I could see them doing something like that with Nick Donnie and OT Raph. Of course in my mind, after hearing that news, I can't help but wonder why they'll crossover to begin with.

That aside, I think I'd be more bothered by OT throwbacks if it was the only series they threw back to. They don't. They've pulled stuff from Mirage, Archie, the live-action film, The Next Mutation, and the OT (out of things I've seen/read). They've also used/referenced stuff from the 2k3 series and going to bring in Hun and maybe Bishop (they have the EPF so why not?). I just like the fact that they make references to retro stuff in general, not just Turtles stuff. Crognard is hilarious, for instance or the game systems they're playing (yeah, it's the nostalgia talking).

I will admit that I really didn't care for them doing the Baxter Fly thing again. In the OT it made sense as it was paying homage to the recent remake of The Fly...here, it's just...I dunno. Same with Bebop and Rocksteady. I'm still lukewarm over them and a bit apathetic over this news. I liked them in the OT fine (Bebop especially), but to see them again in this version, despite the backstory change being actually interesting I just can't get into it at all.I love the subtle shout-outs and easter eggs. It's clear from the output that the creative minds behind the show love the source material. That kind of thing is always apparent in the work.

But cripes, enough with the Old Toon Hero Worship.
It's what got a whole lot of us through the door, but it's not what keeps all of us here.Irma brought me here. ^^;; I know, weird, but I finally gave the 2k12 show a chance this year when I found out Irma was a character in it. My curiosity of her made me watch the show...finally.

[BabyTurtles]

My massive vent for today:

Finding out that there is a planned future crossover of Nick TMNT and the 80's cartoon.

I'd never thought I'd say this, but I'm starting to really hate the 80's cartoon now. The 80's show is fun when the references are small and wink-wink, but damn, can't this show do it's own thing now and expand on TMNT lore?

Must there be this constant referring back to the 80's cartoon?

yea I agree.

I never even watched the 80's TMNT. (wasn't even born when it came out)

so most of the references go over my head anyway. I didn't even know who Mondo Grecko was.......or Bebop and RockSteady, Irma....ect until this show...

I watched 2003 when I was 11 and I can barely remember all of that.

I just want to watch 2012 tmnt for 2012 tmnt.

[THGhost]

My massive vent for today:

Finding out that there is a planned future crossover of Nick TMNT and the 80's cartoon.

When was this confirmed? :)

[IndigoErth]

I just figure a lot of the nostalgia stuff may be being pulled from there because of who all is behind TMNT right now. And it's right in line with a lot of other things from that/this generation that has resurfaced in recent years.

To be fair, should they tap into 2003, too? Of course. And I wouldn't mind, it was better than I was expecting when I watched it this past summer. I imagine a new series down the line may very well include more creators/writers/artists that grew up with 2003 as their introduction to TMNT and may be the ones making more effort to tap into that one more. Though right now some of that future TMNT team may still be in college learning what they need in order to get there.

[BubblyShell22]

I don't know about having a crossover, but if it gives Donnie and original Raph a chance to talk to each other, I'm all for that. But I agree that they shouldn't rely heavily on the 80's show all of the time and maybe do other stuff from other incarnations. They've been good about that so far, and I just hope they don't stray from that and don't just use stuff strictly from the 80's show.

So when was this crossover confirmed?

[blindturtle02]

I'd love to see a few Mirage characters that haven't been featured on TV yet. I don't know exactly who since that series is mostly unfamiliar to me. I'd start reading them but money is tight at the moment.

Oh, and more multipart arcs would be nice. They should put little thirty second recaps in there from time to time if they're worried about confusing kiddos with plots they're revisiting. I think Ciro and crew are cool with ongoing story but I wonder how the network folk feel.

[BubblyShell22]

Yeah, I'd love a few two part episodes and not just the type that are an hour long. I'm talking about ones that were like in the 2003 series that left you hanging and wondering what was going to happen next. That would be awesome.

[snake]

I don't know about having a crossover, but if it gives Donnie and original Raph a chance to talk to each other, I'm all for that. But I agree that they shouldn't rely heavily on the 80's show all of the time and maybe do other stuff from other incarnations. They've been good about that so far, and I just hope they don't stray from that and don't just use stuff strictly from the 80's show.

So when was this crossover confirmed?

Podcast. Ciro said that they were writing a crossover.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

For someone who says that he never grew up with the OT, Ciro does tend to pull so many god damn elements from it. We're getting B&R, Mondo Gecko, the Party Wagon, and the turtle blimp. Why the turtle blimp? They're suppose to hide from people not make their presences known. It doesn't help that a large amount of TMNT merchandise is based off of the OT. From toys, shirts, backpacks, etc. Give more of the focus to your new TMNT cartoon, Viacom. If you're going to base so much of your merchandise off of the OT, then give us merchandise based off of the 2k3 series.

I'm just getting so sick of seeing the 80s cartoon whenever TMNT is represented.

[PangolinFeets]

I just figure a lot of the nostalgia stuff may be being pulled from there because of who all is behind TMNT right now. And it's right in line with a lot of other things from that/this generation that has resurfaced in recent years.

To be fair, should they tap into 2003, too? Of course. And I wouldn't mind, it was better than I was expecting when I watched it this past summer. I imagine a new series down the line may very well include more creators/writers/artists that grew up with 2003 as their introduction to TMNT and may be the ones making more effort to tap into that one more. Though right now some of that future TMNT team may still be in college learning what they need in order to get there.

Yea, regardless about how people who are ongoing fans of TMNT feel about it, an 80s crossover episode is going to bring in a TON of unfamiliar viewers. It's an easy grab for ratings. Watch them promote the hell out of it and make it a two-parter.

[ssjup81]

For someone who says that he never grew up with the OT, Ciro does tend to pull so many god damn elements from it. We're getting B&R, Mondo Gecko, the Party Wagon, and the turtle blimp. Why the turtle blimp? They're suppose to hide from people not make their presences known. It doesn't help that a large amount of TMNT merchandise is based off of the OT. From toys, shirts, backpacks, etc. Give more of the focus to your new TMNT cartoon, Viacom. If you're going to base so much of your merchandise off of the OT, then give us merchandise based off of the 2k3 series.

I'm just getting so sick of seeing the 80s cartoon whenever TMNT is represented.I didn't know the party wagon was in the OT, unless you mean the Turtle Van. We already had the Shellraiser (this incarnation's version of the turtle van) time for an aerial vehicle. Then again, are they actually going to transform Kirby's van into the Turtle Van? I know they need a replacement for the Shellraiser. That'll be interesting.

Besides, who says it's going to be an actual blimp? It's probably going to be that Kraang stealth ship they found which I'm sure will have an invisibility option, or a cloaking device to sneak back in undetected, but if it turns out I'm wrong, I digress.

[ssjup81]

Yea, regardless about how people who are ongoing fans of TMNT feel about it, an 80s crossover episode is going to bring in a TON of unfamiliar viewers. It's an easy grab for ratings. Watch them promote the hell out of it and make it a two-parter.I'm not going to lie. A crossover would definitely bring me in if I wasn't a viewer, especially if the original voice actors reprised the roles.

[Refractive Reflections]

:lol:

Well this information of a OT crossover (another viewing of the OT Turtles) just adds more fuel to the fire that I've mentioned before (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?p=1257989#post1257989), again (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?p=1254673#post1254673), and again (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?p=1167254#post1167254), and yet again (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?p=1142782#post1142782). :P

I expressed my concern even back in October 2013:

Even though this show is using certain TMNT elements that worked, the Nick show has to be very prudent in just how much they allow into it, otherwise the Nick series could be critically viewed as more of a "tribute" series than an "original" series, unlike the situations with the OT and 4Kids were. I'm concerned the Nick series is already using too many OT elements, and this is coming from a big OT fan.

The only strong unique Nick aspects of the show I'm noticing are: most of the characters being teenagers (i.e. April, Karai, and Casey) or having tweenage/teenager personalities (with the Turtles), the abundance of mutants (so soon in the series), and maybe Kraang Prime (I'm sure CyberCubed can debate on this for pages...:lol:).


And some relevant statements I made as the Nick series progressed:

Plus there comes a point in storywriting where having more and more characters team up in some ultimate good vs. evil battle, isn't always better. The individuality gets lost in the episode because there are SO many characters, and it's cliche. The show needs to focus on its characters to make them more endearing to the audience rather than hyping up the next mutant, or including another TMNT universe element.

I would highly disagree on the "reinvent them really well aspect", but the bigger issue is why all the need for SO many OT references and nostalgia, SO early in the show. The "reinvention" is one thing, but having so many OT elements this early in the show indicates more of dependency on eliciting nostalgia rather than giving nods to something.

...

Yeesh, give the Nick show it's own freeing, creative space (like those previous depictions had without the heavier, hovering atmosphere of nostalgia)... please...


Is this Nick show trying to be a semi-derivative of the OT? ...Or at least trying to be a derivative of the OT's financial success by incorporating so many elements...? :lol:

[Luckyday]

Is this Nick show trying to be a semi-derivative of the OT? ...Or at least trying to be a derivative of the OT's financial success by incorporating so many elements...? :lol:

My gut said yes since that might the very reason why Nick bought TMNT in the first place. Perhaps their intention in the beginning was to have a 30 minute commercial on their channel. "Screw story, we gots to sell the toys!"

[TrickOrTreater]

Cthulhu forbid fans that grew up with the cartoon bring in elements from that cartoon in their new, great cartoon.

Even without references to the previous cartoon the show is awesome.

Giving kids a new fun Turtle cartoon to love while also giving older fans(that the show creators know they have) references to the show they/we grew up with.

Jesus.

[DarthRaphael]

I'm just going to say that I love the way they are using the OT characters. Young kids don't know them and us older fans have something we recognize. I think they have done well with it.

[BubblyShell22]

Podcast. Ciro said that they were writing a crossover.


Oh, I didn't know Ciro was on that podcast too. I thought it was just certain people, but that's awesome.


:lol:

Well this information of a OT crossover (another viewing of the OT Turtles) just adds more fuel to the fire that I've mentioned before (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?p=1257989#post1257989), again (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?p=1254673#post1254673), and again (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?p=1167254#post1167254), and yet again (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?p=1142782#post1142782). :P

I expressed my concern even back in October 2013:


And some relevant statements I made as the Nick series progressed:




Is this Nick show trying to be a semi-derivative of the OT? ...Or at least trying to be a derivative of the OT's financial success by incorporating so many elements...? :lol:

I think the reason they fall back on the original cartoon is because that's what most fans have grown up with, so it's easy to fall back on and give fans of the show what they want. I certainly don't mind it, and if it gives Rob a chance to voice two characters and have them interact, I'm all for it.



Cthulhu forbid fans that grew up with the cartoon bring in elements from that cartoon in their new, great cartoon.

Even without references to the previous cartoon the show is awesome.

Giving kids a new fun Turtle cartoon to love while also giving older fans(that the show creators know they have) references to the show they/we grew up with.

Jesus.

I agree with this. The show is cool and has referenced other incarnations as well, and I'm sure they'll do more of this as time goes on if the show is renewed for a fifth season. I'm just sitting back and enjoying the ride.

[Metalwolf]

:lol:

Well this information of a OT crossover (another viewing of the OT Turtles) just adds more fuel to the fire that I've mentioned before (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?p=1257989#post1257989), again (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?p=1254673#post1254673), and again (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?p=1167254#post1167254), and yet again (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?p=1142782#post1142782). :P

I expressed my concern even back in October 2013:


And some relevant statements I made as the Nick series progressed:




Is this Nick show trying to be a semi-derivative of the OT? ...Or at least trying to be a derivative of the OT's financial success by incorporating so many elements...? :lol:I am whole heartedly agreeing, I'm a fan too of the OT even as it doesn't mean I want to see endless repeating of elements of it. I like a little variety and all :P

What I think my biggest fear is that any new and unique elements of this show will be buried under the drive to repeat the OT. In the beginning I would have been a lot more enthusiastic to see a lot of the OT elements, but as the show progressed these new things grew on me, and I wanted to more exploration of them and how they could turn out.

I want to see how this version of TMNT does things, I want to see them fight Tigerclaw, Xever, Bradford, and whatever. Not see a new iteration try to borrow the fame of the OT endlessly to resurrect some old nostalgic glory. When a franchise bills each new iteration as different but yet fails to have it's 'new' iterations go in different directions, it starts to look stagnant. If this show was sold right off the bat as being a 'modern' OT TMNT, I would have actually been fine with it. It would be as it's said on the label, and not pretend otherwise. I would know that it would have Krang, Shredder, Bebop and Rocksteady, with a reporter April. But once this show showed itself as a different 'take,' I thought 'Alright, let's go with it."

I think what is ironic, is that there are a lot of people in the fandom that want the TMNT to be taken seriously as something other then a kiddy franchise, to harken back to the more 'grownup' Mirage comics. But this show (and a lot of the fans) keep wanting to pull elements from the most kid-orientated iteration of all, the OT! I think what it is, is that I don't want something new to be squelched under the old, when there is a very new chance to have a 2k3-like TMNT, or have new characters as exciting as Old Hob or Bishop, and so on. How will we discover those guys, if we keep wanting to repeat the OT each and every time?

[Lil Karai]

For someone who says that he never grew up with the OT, Ciro does tend to pull so many god damn elements from it. We're getting B&R, Mondo Gecko, the Party Wagon, and the turtle blimp. Why the turtle blimp? They're suppose to hide from people not make their presences known. It doesn't help that a large amount of TMNT merchandise is based off of the OT. From toys, shirts, backpacks, etc. Give more of the focus to your new TMNT cartoon, Viacom. If you're going to base so much of your merchandise off of the OT, then give us merchandise based off of the 2k3 series.

I'm just getting so sick of seeing the 80s cartoon whenever TMNT is represented.

This. Totally agree.

[Warhorse]

So, saw the descriptions of the upcoming episodes, and the very next one is the all the Turtles except for Leo and April getting captured. So, how long has it been since Raphael has not been captured or won a fight? Been a while I think. But how many times has April saved the day? Maybe they should just call it the April O Niell show featuring Donatello, Leonardo and Casey Jones, with appearances by Michelangelo and Raphael.

[BubblyShell22]

Calm down, Warhorse. It's one episode! Raph will probably get screentime for his Spirit Quest episode and we still have the Dark Raph arc. I know you want more right now, and I feel you, but just calm down.

[Powder]

For someone who says that he never grew up with the OT, Ciro does tend to pull so many god damn elements from it. We're getting B&R, Mondo Gecko, the Party Wagon, and the turtle blimp. Why the turtle blimp? They're suppose to hide from people not make their presences known. It doesn't help that a large amount of TMNT merchandise is based off of the OT. From toys, shirts, backpacks, etc. Give more of the focus to your new TMNT cartoon, Viacom. If you're going to base so much of your merchandise off of the OT, then give us merchandise based off of the 2k3 series.

I'm just getting so sick of seeing the 80s cartoon whenever TMNT is represented.

Playmates is surely at fault.

[Warhorse]

Calm down, Warhorse. It's one episode! Raph will probably get screentime for his Spirit Quest episode and we still have the Dark Raph arc. I know you want more right now, and I feel you, but just calm down.

Can't when my favorite Turtle is getting serioualy shafted, while it's the two humans getting all the focus. I acknowedged that the 2k3 was very heavy on Leo, but, at least it was heavy with one of the TMNT, and the other three were right behind him in focus, unlike the Nick toon as of late, which has been either one Turtle and paired up with either April or Casey. I am not sorry to say I have a seriousl problem when the show has been focusing so much on the humans and not on the TMNT. No wonder why the series is dipping so bad in the ratings, maybe the intended viewers are getting tired of the April and Casey show too. Maybe they should just do a spin off where April and Casey got their own show, and the TMNT show can go back to being about the TMNT.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Raph will probably get screentime for his Spirit Quest episode and we still have the Dark Raph arc.

Who says that it'll be a 'Dark Raph' arc? Let's be honest. The way this series has been going, it'll be 1 episode for a couple minutes at most, have a half-assed wrap-up at the end, and then get quickly forgotten by the next episode. I guarantee it.

[Luckyday]

Who says that it'll be a 'Dark Raph' arc? Let's be honest. The way this series has been going, it'll be 1 episode for a couple minutes at most, have a half-assed wrap-up at the end, and then get quickly forgotten by the next episode. I guarantee it.

Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice, screw ciro for being a hype master troll.:tgrumble:

[Donnieangelo]

Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice, screw ciro for being a hype master troll.:tgrumble:
I never seen anyone that big of a troll before.

But he definitely takes the cake. (Mhmm, cake!)

[BubblyShell22]

Well, the reason April and Casey are focused on here is because they're with the Turtles now at the farmhouse, so it's guaranteed that there are going to be stories where they get focus. Remember when the series started and how April wasn't focused on all of the time because they were in the city? I liked that, too, but maybe once they get away from the farm and back to the city, it'll be like it was before.

Personally, I can't wait to see Leo and April team up as we haven't seen them together that much.

[ssjup81]

Well, the reason April and Casey are focused on here is because they're with the Turtles now at the farmhouse, so it's guaranteed that there are going to be stories where they get focus. Remember when the series started and how April wasn't focused on all of the time because they were in the city? I liked that, too, but maybe once they get away from the farm and back to the city, it'll be like it was before.

Personally, I can't wait to see Leo and April team up as we haven't seen them together that much.April being written younger is one of the main reasons I stayed away from this show for so long. I liked her as the mother or older sister figure who had her own adult stuff going on. I didn't think much of it, but she does get quite of focus, not that i fully mind at this point. It was a creative twist and more tolerable than say April being a darn drawing! Geez i hated that.

Unless the city is back to normal and April has the part of her life that's away from the turtles again, I couldn't see your scenario fully playing out. They would definitely have to take out Kraang once and for all. Of course this would also downplay Donnie's role since he's the tech guy with the intelligence to compete with them, unless they go back to the retromutagen plot point.

Oh and like you, I'm looking forward to the Leo/April stuff too. I'm curious how things will play out.

[Ninturtle]

Can't when my favorite Turtle is getting serioualy shafted, while it's the two humans getting all the focus. I acknowedged that the 2k3 was very heavy on Leo, but, at least it was heavy with one of the TMNT, and the other three were right behind him in focus, unlike the Nick toon as of late, which has been either one Turtle and paired up with either April or Casey. I am not sorry to say I have a seriousl problem when the show has been focusing so much on the humans and not on the TMNT. No wonder why the series is dipping so bad in the ratings, maybe the intended viewers are getting tired of the April and Casey show too. Maybe they should just do a spin off where April and Casey got their own show, and the TMNT show can go back to being about the TMNT.

The viewer drop is because they don't promote the show enough so they don't know its on if i didn't check online sites i wouldn't know if there were new episodes. And the turtles get a ton of focus in this show not because you don't like some thing about the show .The intended audience is kids who dont give a crap about your complaints. Most of the time when Casey or April are in the show there with another turtle.

[ssjup81]

The viewer drop is because they don't promote the show enough so they don't know its on if i didn't check online sites i wouldn't know if there were new episodes. And the turtles get a ton of focus in this show not because you don't like some thing about the show .The intended audience is kids who dont give a crap about your complaints. Most of the time when Casey or April are in the show there with another turtle.I'm inclined to agree with this. This show would've been canceled, probably, if it was the pre-internet age. Seriously. You all say the show is rarely promoted and overshadowed by Spongebob. THAT probably has more of a bearing than anything else as far as ratings are concerned and the fact that they keep changing the day it airs and they don't count online sites like iTunes and Amazon (for us overseas or those without cable television). So yeah, I doubt anything in the show itself is causing a drop in viewership to the extent that some say. Kind of hard to view something if you don't know when to tune in.

Even with say Rugrats, which wasn't popular when it started and became popular when it went into hiatus, at least I always knew if I turned on the TV at a certain time on a certain day, I would see Rugrats. By the sounds of it, you can't really do that with this show. Wasn't the show recently preempted to show eps of Full House?

Also, I doubt they have much going up against it, right? It's not liken Sonic SatAM, for example. Its ratings dropped because it was put up against Power Rangers (and for my area Sonic was pre-empted a lot).

[Warhorse]

Well, the reason April and Casey are focused on here is because they're with the Turtles now at the farmhouse, so it's guaranteed that there are going to be stories where they get focus. Remember when the series started and how April wasn't focused on all of the time because they were in the city? I liked that, too, but maybe once they get away from the farm and back to the city, it'll be like it was before.

Personally, I can't wait to see Leo and April team up as we haven't seen them together that much.

It's not just the farm house, every other episode is heavily centered on April, and like I said, she saves the day alot and if we have one of the Turtles being paired up with someone, it's usually April or Casey. I'm just getting so bored of this show lately. I actually didn't even watch the last two eps because they sounded so stupid.

[KrN]

It's not just the farm house, every other episode is heavily centered on April, and like I said, she saves the day alot and if we have one of the Turtles being paired up with someone, it's usually April or Casey. I'm just getting so bored of this show lately. I actually didn't even watch the last two eps because they sounded so stupid.

Ok, I'm sorry but I have seen a lot of posts just like this and I have to get it off my chest. I have been a watcher of the forums for awhile now and decided to make an account simply to address this issue.

It's all fair to say that the filler's are boring (because they are, but hey it only means we're gonna have less the second half of this season, but whatever) - however, to say that you won't even watch the show? That hurts ratings. Ratings getting to low just because you're bored of a show you supposedly love could possibly get this show cancelled too early.

The reasoning makes little to no sense. I am very bored of the last few episodes yet I watched. Grow up, get over it and if you truly want this show to continue? Then watch.

It's not just you, Warhorse. I saw it multiple time elsewhere but this post just shattered my silence.

Sorry to anyone I offended but it had to be said.

[pennydreadful]

Why should people watch a show if they're no longer enjoying it? Just because someone's a fan of the franchise, doesn't mean they owe it to anyone to watch parts of it that they're not interested in.

If the ratings are dropping, that indicates that there's a problem with the show, and the showmakers need to step up their game. It's up to the folks making the show to put out episodes which make people want to tune in.

In the immortal words of Neil Young, "It's better to burn out than to fade away." Better to have a sub-par show get canned than have it limp along. I'm not even saying I want the show canned, but your post was pretty flawed.

[KrN]

If you're no longer enjoying the show, why bother posting about it? I think it's ridiculous we need a whining, criticism thread tbh. If the show angers you that much then don't watch.

I don't see a problem. The fact that they want to get filler's out of the way now instead of popping up between plot filled episodes is a gift, if anything. It's upsetting now, but in the long run, we'll be thankful for it. Already we're getting back to plot filled episodes in Jan and I bet you that no one will be skipping episodes then.

[pennydreadful]

If people aren't enjoying it, they're going to want to talk about why they're not enjoying it. That's what forums are for - positive and negative discussion. And not for nothing, but when you've invested your time in two seasons of the show and then you start having severe issues with season three, of course people are going to want to voice their discontent.

It's all fair to say that the filler's are boring (because they are, but hey it only means we're gonna have less the second half of this season, but whatever) - however, to say that you won't even watch the show? That hurts ratings. Ratings getting to low just because you're bored of a show you supposedly love could possibly get this show cancelled too early.

... if you truly want this show to continue? Then watch.

If the show angers you that much then don't watch.

I'm not following your argument here - you say that people should watch it so it doesn't get cancelled - even though (by your own admission) the filler is boring - and then you say that if people aren't enjoying it, they shouldn't watch it.

http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Confused-Punk-Girl-My-Reaction-When-Gif.gif

I honestly don't have a problem with you and I'm not attacking you: personally, I like to get on with people, not argue with them - but your argument isn't making sense. Like, at all.

[KrN]

Point is, watching episodes that appeal to you and not others is just ridiculous. If you're a fan, you should be in for the long run.

The 'don't watch' is if all you can do is rant and whine about the show, then why bother? Do yourself and others a favour by not posting at all.

[DarkLightDragon]

Point is, watching episodes that appeal to you and not others is just ridiculous. If you're a fan, you should be in for the long run.

The 'don't watch' is if all you can do is rant and whine about the show, then why bother? Do yourself and others a favour by not posting at all.

Being a fan doesn't mean you have to watch every single episode and you're not hurting anything or anyone by skipping episodes that don't appeal to you.

I lost interest in this show a long time ago. Though I still check in over here to catch up or see if it'll peek my interest again (which it hasn't yet, but that's another thing altogether). So are you trying to tell me that any criticisms I have are invalid simply because I'm not a constant viewer like the rest here and have no right to critique/take issue with how the show deals with narrative and characterization?

For someone who says they don't mean to offend anyone by what they post, what you've been saying certainly seems a little over-defensive towards people like me, who, while has my issues with this show, would never mean ill will towards it and those who like it.

[Coola Yagami]

Even I lost interest in the show, which is saying a lot. I'm just waiting for them to return to New York. The Northampton crap be damned. I'll just see it whenever I get the DVD.

I kinda think some of us (not me though) kinda HAVE to watch these pointless **** episodes because to put it frankly, the big wigs and powers at be are always stupid morons. If the ratings drop down to dangerous levels because the filler is horrible and we all wanna see the Foot again, they're not gonna see is at 'hmmm those episodes musn't be that good, we should skip a few and take em back to Shredder already, or if we do this again in the future keep it to maybe 2 episodes tops'. No. They're gonna see it as 'hmm the ratings are tanking, guess noone likes the turtles anymore, time to pull the plug' and just cancel it outright.

We don't want a Sonic thing where they promised more evil coming our way and... cancelled.

So in a way, I guess some of you HAVE to watch these episodes to keep the show afloat long enough for us to get to the good stuff. Just not me.

Like you'd say when on a long boring car trip headed towards someplace awesome. "Yawn.... wake me when we get there'.


Also people here have to stop throwing hissyfits when someone dares to insult their holy sacred TMNT religion. Geez, grow up and go outside. You kids make the rest of us look bad.

[Luckyday]

I really think that the season 2 finale was originally just the shredder running them out of New York. I know there hints of second invasion from last season but maybe that was later added on during the production of season 2 and maybe the script for season 3 was already done but the script was written with the mindset that New York wasn't invaded by the Kraang but by then they didn't have enough time to change the script so they had to drop single dialogue here and there so that there would be some sense on continuity but the end result is still glaring to me.

You have to admit that the time it takes them to finish a season is fast considering its cgi animation. There's really not a lot of time to focus on script. They have to get out as soon as possible.

[Warhorse]

Ok, I'm sorry but I have seen a lot of posts just like this and I have to get it off my chest. I have been a watcher of the forums for awhile now and decided to make an account simply to address this issue.

It's all fair to say that the filler's are boring (because they are, but hey it only means we're gonna have less the second half of this season, but whatever) - however, to say that you won't even watch the show? That hurts ratings. Ratings getting to low just because you're bored of a show you supposedly love could possibly get this show cancelled too early.

The reasoning makes little to no sense. I am very bored of the last few episodes yet I watched. Grow up, get over it and if you truly want this show to continue? Then watch.

It's not just you, Warhorse. I saw it multiple time elsewhere but this post just shattered my silence.

Sorry to anyone I offended but it had to be said.

Hey, I got a little secret to tell you about the ratings. They are conducted by a monopoly called Nielsen. In order for your viewing to be counted, you have to be part of the Nielsen family. You are either given a black box that records what you are watching/recording on you DVR, or you are given a sort of diary to record what is being watched in your household. And about 5000 people are apart of this family, and guess what pal, I'm not one of them. So, if I choose to watch it or not will make absolutely no difference, whatsoever, to the ratings games! In fact, every single one of us on the technodrome could be watching this show, and again, unless you are part of the Nielsen family, it won't mean nothing!

[BabyTurtles]

meh...I haven't watched the last 2 episodes and "A Foot Too Big"

Try to convince me I'm missing something.

[Cure]

Try to convince me I'm missing something.

No? Why should I? I'd rather people who whine all the time not watch at all.

[BabyTurtles]

No? Why should I? I'd rather people who whine all the time not watch at all.

seems to be working for me :)

but seriously no one would "whining" if the problems with the show weren't so in your face.

then again...everyone tolerates stuff differently.

I know I couldn't take Legend of Korra after season 2 and just stopped watching. (a watched a few episodes from season 3 and 4 and still didn't like it)

[Ninturtle]

meh...I haven't watched the last 2 episodes and "A Foot Too Big"

Try to convince me I'm missing something.

your not missing much with the Speed Demon and a foot too big but dream beavers is a fun, creepy, ,dark, and the twist at the end is hilarious.

[Luckyday]

seems to be working for me :)

but seriously no one would "whining" if the problems with the show weren't so in your face.

then again...everyone tolerates stuff differently.

I know I couldn't take Legend of Korra after season 2 and just stopped watching. (a watched a few episodes from season 3 and 4 and still didn't like it)

Legend of Korra got better after a certain point in season 2.

The only problem for me was Korra but after she had amnesia, it was like the slate was sweep clean. But what really stop me from dropping the show was that crime reveal with mako's case.

[neatoman]

Ok nobody cares about the thread I made for it so I'll say it here:

Why did Ciro and/or crew deside to give April superpowers, when he made the claim that it's hard to write female characters with superpowers without making them too powerful? Why would he alter a character to fit an archetype he thinks is difficult to write?

The opinion is pretty dumb to begin with but this just makes no sense.

[Luckyday]

Ok nobody cares about the thread I made for it so I'll say it here:

Why did Ciro and/or crew deside to give April superpowers, when he made the claim that it's hard to write female characters with superpowers without making them too powerful? Why would he alter a character to fit an archetype he thinks is difficult to write?

The opinion is pretty dumb to begin with but this just makes no sense.

I really wish that I had real answer to this but best that I can come up was that he was trying create a physical fighting role on the team.

Or it was just poor planning?

[ssjup81]

your not missing much with the Speed Demon and a foot too big but dream beavers is a fun, creepy, ,dark, and the twist at the end is hilarious.But A Foot Too Big was hilarious for the Finger...but my bias for oldschool WWF is the main reason for that. lol.

Never mind. Despite Speed Demon being stupid, it still had funny parts (seriously loved Rob being given the opportunity to go all out crazy) and the group now has a power source to get back to the city in whatever and a new animal companion. Too cute! I wonder how ICK will react to Cluckingsworth.

Even though there are aspects of the show I wouldn't mind seeing improved or stuff I have scratched my head at, I still genuinely like this show. Every single ep has at least one moment I enjoyed. I guess if I took the show more seriously I'd be singing a different tune.

[BabyTurtles]

Ok nobody cares about the thread I made for it so I'll say it here:

Why did Ciro and/or crew deside to give April superpowers, when he made the claim that it's hard to write female characters with superpowers without making them too powerful? Why would he alter a character to fit an archetype he thinks is difficult to write?

The opinion is pretty dumb to begin with but this just makes no sense.

I don't know........I guess he didn't know how to make her cool without some kinda superpower.

I feel like shows are afraid to make girls "weak"(not a fighting type) so they focus on making them strong(kickbutt chick) instead of focusing on their personality/character first.

honestly a quirky normal human April would have been cooler.

[Meliwen]

Even though there are aspects of the show I wouldn't mind seeing improved or stuff I have scratched my head at, I still genuinely like this show. Every single ep has at least one moment I enjoyed. I guess if I took the show more seriously I'd be singing a different tune.
For me to enjoy this season so far, it definitely depends on my outlook. If I'm expecting it to be like what I've enjoyed from the past seasons, this season so far is pretty poor. If don't take it seriously, then the season so far is okay.

The fillers are poor quality to me now, but I'll probably enjoy them more later. It's their placement that really kills it for me, since they're the beginning of a new season, they're right after the biggest event in the show so far, they're all of a similar genre, what has happened so far in the plot is ignored for the time being, mostly, and there's seven in a row. It's not a large number, but if I'm looking for what I've enjoyed from the past seasons, and like ssjup81 said, taking the show more seriously, this season so far kinda sucks and is really lackluster. These episodes can be fun to watch later after the ball is rolling and the plot moves on and the reasons why I like the show so much in the first place come back, but for now I don't care for them too much.

[pennydreadful]

Point is, watching episodes that appeal to you and not others is just ridiculous. If you're a fan, you should be in for the long run.

The 'don't watch' is if all you can do is rant and whine about the show, then why bother? Do yourself and others a favour by not posting at all.

That kind of "If you're a fan, you'll support it no matter what" thinking is problematic, and is considered by many to be doing the franchise harm in the long run. It's basically saying that quality can be inconsistent and we'll still eat it up no matter what.

You have to admit that the time it takes them to finish a season is fast considering its cgi animation. There's really not a lot of time to focus on script. They have to get out as soon as possible.

This is kind of the trap that they got into with the OT.

What a lot of people are finding frustrating with Season 3 is that we know Ciro and the team can deliver kick-ass episodes. Having a season starting off with an entire block of filler is not going to be everyone's cup of tea - especially if they've stuck with the show for two seasons already.

And for my money, I don't care if people are voicing a positive or negative opinion about the show - that's what the forum is for: discussion. I'm personally still sticking with the show, even though I haven't really enjoyed Season 3 so far, and by and large, I don't say much about my discontent up to this point because there's not much to add that hasn't already been said.

Feedback is critical to improving performance or quality; that's standard with any product or service. And at the end of the day - this show is a product. If people didn't care about the franchise, they wouldn't be complaining.

On a separate note, I'd be interested to know how many filler episodes there were in Seasons 1 and 2, and how those numbers stack up against Season 3 so far. Anybody want to do a count/weigh in on this?

[IndigoErth]

Just realized the voice of 2012 April and Tinker Bell (the talking Pixie Hallow version) are one in the same. Not that that's bad at all - but I'll never be able to unhear it.

[Warhorse]

For me to enjoy this season so far, it definitely depends on my outlook. If I'm expecting it to be like what I've enjoyed from the past seasons, this season so far is pretty poor. If don't take it seriously, then the season so far is okay.

The fillers are poor quality to me now, but I'll probably enjoy them more later. It's their placement that really kills it for me, since they're the beginning of a new season, they're right after the biggest event in the show so far, they're all of a similar genre, what has happened so far in the plot is ignored for the time being, mostly, and there's seven in a row. It's not a large number, but if I'm looking for what I've enjoyed from the past seasons, and like ssjup81 said, taking the show more seriously, this season so far kinda sucks and is really lackluster. These episodes can be fun to watch later after the ball is rolling and the plot moves on and the reasons why I like the show so much in the first place come back, but for now I don't care for them too much.

Why do we have to have fillers at all? Why can't they just make engaging stories and sell the damn toys at the same time? I've seen the polls for favorite episodes of season 2, and it's the well written, not corny, but has a story and great fighting scenes/character development that are in the tops, like Invasion, Slash and Destroy, Vengence is Mine and Wrath of Tigerclaw. Why is it so hard to make sure all episode are of that quality?

[BabyTurtles]

Just realized the voice of 2012 April and Tinker Bell (the talking Pixie Hallow version) are one in the same. Not that that's bad at all - but I'll never be able to unhear it.

and Katara from Avatar the last Airbender~