The Official Venting/Whining/Criticism Thread!

*snake* · 11-24-2014, 01:17 PM

To unclog the official info thread, post all criticisms and problems you have with the show here.

I'll start. I think that the show would benefit if the MOTW episodes were spaced out more. Don't get me wrong, I love fun episodes like that and they have some great action figure ideas in them, but I'd say 1 story and one MOTW.

*Vicky82* · 11-24-2014, 01:32 PM

We should of had this in the movie thread

*victory_angel* · 11-24-2014, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by snake

To unclog the official info thread, post all criticisms and problems you have with the show here.

I'll start. I think that the show would benefit if the MOTW episodes were spaced out more. Don't get me wrong, I love fun episodes like that and they have some great action figure ideas in them, but I'd say 1 story and one MOTW.

I agree.

And also there should be emotional development for the characters. Like maybe a heart to heart between Donnie and Leo about their argument in the season finally. Because why have the argument and end the episode with Donnie beating himself up about what happened if you aren't going to do anything about it.

Have Raph pulling him back and remind him that he's leader currently and the rest of them need him to be there for that reason.

Have Mikey and/or April maybe Casey reasure Donnie what happened was not his fault.

Heck if you must had a filler episode, make it one where the Turtles are sitting around talking about times Leo had been there for them when they had been children.

*TurtleTitan97* · 11-24-2014, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky82

We should of had this in the movie thread

We did. But then the pro-movie fans came in and it fell into chaos.

*Autbot_Benz* · 11-24-2014, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky82

We should of had this in the movie thread

yes we should

*pennydreadful* · 11-24-2014, 02:21 PM

I miss Splinter and Karai.

*CyberCubed* · 11-24-2014, 03:10 PM

I just wish all the people whining in general would take it to tumblr. At least there their rants can be ignored.

*BubblyShell22* · 11-24-2014, 03:11 PM

Yeah, I miss them, too, Penny. But other than that, I'm okay with everything else that's gone on, though I do wish they'd mention New York more or have more of a reaction like they're missing it or something.

*AT-Man* · 11-24-2014, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky82

should of

When did this become a thing? It's SHOULD HAVE!

Basti50 · 11-24-2014, 03:33 PM

The only thing that really bothered me in this series thus far (other than some of the episodes being a wee bit predictable) is that the writers can occasionally get really insistent when trying to get their point across. Worst offender for me being the episode "Newtralized!" where Cassey suddenly turns into a complete clod and they really want you to get that because otherwise you couldn't understand the conflict of the story. I guess they amp this stuff up for the kid's entertainment value but it still tends to annoy me.

Leofan26 · 11-24-2014, 03:33 PM

We can still give our actual opinions in the episode threads spite this thread being open right? Negative or not?

Any ways, for me I wish they'd stop with the horror flicks type episodes, it's getting tiring and repeative and gross out humor.

I hope when they return to New York we get back the actual plots, with the fourth season being the last well.

~~Davetello~~ · 11-24-2014, 03:51 PM

I'm enjoying these eps and the horror parodies. However, I was really hoping for lots more character development and perhaps more reflection on what happened back in New York. That tends to be the staple of Northampton stories and it seems like some opportunity for that has been wasted. As I say, I'm still enjoying the show so this isn't a complaint per se - I just feel the show is currently lacking some continuity.

*Jephael* · 11-24-2014, 05:08 PM

I remember reading on Wikipedia that we were gonna get a "Meanwhile, back in New York" sorta side story during the Mom-Thing episode. Does anybody know where that rumor came from? Because I honestly would've rather seen that then April and the gang fighting another creepy monster.

The Big Bad · 11-24-2014, 05:24 PM

Okay, one complaint: this version of Northampton? It doesn't work.

(Note, the following was hastily paraphrased from a Tumblr post, so I can't assure coherence.)

Now, I love Northampton. It's not something I want in every incarnation, but I understand why it was in the original, why it keeps getting adapted, why Mirage and 4Kids kept it as a second home, and why the Nick creators decided to incorporate it into the show. I really wish they wouldn't have, though, because it doesn't work for the show they've created.

The reason why Northampton is feasible in the other incarnations is because the stakes are low enough that the turtles can afford to drop off the face of the Earth and go through a change of pace and atmosphere while they rest. In the Mirage and 4Kids takes, the turtles' disappearance changes nothing in New York, and no one is placed in danger by their absence. In the film and IDW versions, where the turtles leave behind loose ends that desperately need tying, their rest time is considerably more limited, and the story doesn’t try to make it seem as if the rest of the world has stopped existing.

This last thing is what’s wrong with Nick’s take. Yes, Leo needed a few episodes to recover, which is something. That said, stuff doesn’t actually stop happening just because it can’t be seen, and yet that’s precisely how the turtles and the show act—as if the Kraang weren’t an ongoing concern, and one that grows increasingly more dangerous the more it is left unattended. There’s no sense of object permanence, and it makes both the show and the characters look incredibly childish and irresponsible. The turtles may not be physically capable of returning to Manhattan just yet (debatable) but that doesn’t stop them from actually doing stuff to prepare while they're at the farm. Planning out strategies, considering their options—maybe recruiting the army of Mutant Frogs they’ve just met—shoring up their defenses in case the Kraang expand to upstate New York or heck, even making the slightest attempt at keeping up with the news. If any of that is happening, it’s in offscreen-land, along with any sense of logical plot progression or any portrayal of women that isn’t deeply sexist.

But no; the writers have bigger fish to fry, like keeping the love triangle spinning in its wheels or have the Nth iteration of their standard Mikey plot or introducing yet more mutants. Because, you see, when they claimed that the invasion of New York was important, they were lying. Had it actually been important, they would have given it the barest amount of thought, instead of giving us stock invasion footage and mixing it with a tepid “twist” and an adaptation of beloved Mirage material. It would have consequences which flowed naturally from what came before, instead of just being written in accordance to the whim of the day. Instead, it is no longer a factor, and will likely not remain so until the Kraang are once again onscreen, when the writers will once again try to convince us that it’s all terribly important and dramatic, even when it makes no sense and contradicts everything we've been told before.

The really ironic thing is that the Northampton stories have been some of my favorite in the series (by which I mean that they've been mostly inoffensive, except when they aren't). The context they exist, though, doesn't work at all.

This has been a rant.

*blindturtle02* · 11-24-2014, 05:51 PM

I miss Splinter and Karai as well. I also miss Shredder! Hey, the Kraang too. I actually like those guys. Other than that, I think I'm good. Oh wait! Someone needs to thaw Timothy out and let him do some damage when they get back to NYC. Poor kid.

*Shark_Blade* · 11-24-2014, 06:25 PM

I wish Casey mingles with other turtles more besides Donnie.

Other than that I have no problem, the show is frightfully entertaining.

*IndigoErth* · 11-24-2014, 06:33 PM

Can't say I have much to vent on this show, I'm pretty lenient on it.

I simply wish they could just fully own their time slot. No matter which day or hour they decide to put it on, it's theirs. If there is no new one to show then there is a repeat of TMNT, not some other show that's on at other times already, or to add insult to injury a repeat of said show.

8pm Friday? Then let it be fully theirs. Not just theirs unless you feel like airing something else.

*ssjup81* · 11-24-2014, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

Yeah, I miss them, too, Penny. But other than that, I'm okay with everything else that's gone on, though I do wish they'd mention New York more or have more of a reaction like they're missing it or something.

This is the only issue I have, unless they're saving all that emotional angst for the Vision Quests.

*Autbot_Benz* · 11-24-2014, 07:00 PM

ya I even miss the ones called the Kraang who want to destroy the ones called the turtles.

Ramboraph4life aka Matt · 11-24-2014, 07:16 PM

The character development is pretty poor, considering all the constant praise about the 'writing' of this show.

And why have Raph act like such a heel about how worthless Mikey is after the whole 'Mikey hugging Raph/getting him under control' in the finale (let alone why would Mikey NOT want a hug from Raph...it's very Out Of Character for Mikey to say something like that, and if it was just 'a joke' it wasn't funny).

It's like all of the characters keep having memory loss on what happened in the past...even for a cartoon, it is getting ridiculous.

And give Raphael an actual arc, or an actual storyline, or some actual badass fight sequences to himself, or make him a hero in an episode...recently he's been treated like crap.

11-24-2014, 01:17 PM	#1
snake Disgusting Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Outer Heaven Posts: 12,231	The Official Venting/Whining/Criticism Thread! To unclog the official info thread, post all criticisms and problems you have with the show here. I'll start. I think that the show would benefit if the MOTW episodes were spaced out more. Don't get me wrong, I love fun episodes like that and they have some great action figure ideas in them, but I'd say 1 story and one MOTW.

11-24-2014, 01:32 PM	#2
Vicky82 Emperor Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dunstable, UK Posts: 5,804	We should of had this in the movie thread __________________ My heart!!!! One of my favourite moments.

11-24-2014, 02:21 PM	#6
pennydreadful trash Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Australia Posts: 4,546	I miss Splinter and Karai. __________________ Creator of the Technodrome After Dark Discussion Group. PM for an invite (must be over 18 - no exceptions).

11-24-2014, 03:11 PM	#8
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	Yeah, I miss them, too, Penny. But other than that, I'm okay with everything else that's gone on, though I do wish they'd mention New York more or have more of a reaction like they're missing it or something. __________________ "A warrior who never fails, never learns."-The Ancient One. "Embrace your inner a**holiness."-Mr. Anderson.

11-24-2014, 05:08 PM	#13
Jephael That whack job behind you Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Carlisle, Pennsylvania Posts: 8,143	I remember reading on Wikipedia that we were gonna get a "Meanwhile, back in New York" sorta side story during the Mom-Thing episode. Does anybody know where that rumor came from? Because I honestly would've rather seen that then April and the gang fighting another creepy monster. __________________ "I like it. Simple, but effective!" Raphael; The Mean Machines - 1988

11-24-2014, 03:10 PM	#7
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,831	I just wish all the people whining in general would take it to tumblr. At least there their rants can be ignored.

11-24-2014, 03:33 PM	#10
Basti50 Mouser Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Germany Posts: 7	The only thing that really bothered me in this series thus far (other than some of the episodes being a wee bit predictable) is that the writers can occasionally get really insistent when trying to get their point across. Worst offender for me being the episode "Newtralized!" where Cassey suddenly turns into a complete clod and they really want you to get that because otherwise you couldn't understand the conflict of the story. I guess they amp this stuff up for the kid's entertainment value but it still tends to annoy me.

11-24-2014, 03:33 PM	#11
Leofan26 Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 1,306	We can still give our actual opinions in the episode threads spite this thread being open right? Negative or not? Any ways, for me I wish they'd stop with the horror flicks type episodes, it's getting tiring and repeative and gross out humor. I hope when they return to New York we get back the actual plots, with the fourth season being the last well.

11-24-2014, 03:51 PM	#12
~~Davetello~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Greater Glasgow, Scotland, The Ununited Kingdom Posts: 1,712	I'm enjoying these eps and the horror parodies. However, I was really hoping for lots more character development and perhaps more reflection on what happened back in New York. That tends to be the staple of Northampton stories and it seems like some opportunity for that has been wasted. As I say, I'm still enjoying the show so this isn't a complaint per se - I just feel the show is currently lacking some continuity.

11-24-2014, 05:24 PM	#14
The Big Bad Stone Warrior Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 653	Okay, one complaint: this version of Northampton? It doesn't work. (Note, the following was hastily paraphrased from a Tumblr post, so I can't assure coherence.) Now, I love Northampton. It's not something I want in every incarnation, but I understand why it was in the original, why it keeps getting adapted, why Mirage and 4Kids kept it as a second home, and why the Nick creators decided to incorporate it into the show. I really wish they wouldn't have, though, because it doesn't work for the show they've created. The reason why Northampton is feasible in the other incarnations is because the stakes are low enough that the turtles can afford to drop off the face of the Earth and go through a change of pace and atmosphere while they rest. In the Mirage and 4Kids takes, the turtles' disappearance changes nothing in New York, and no one is placed in danger by their absence. In the film and IDW versions, where the turtles leave behind loose ends that desperately need tying, their rest time is considerably more limited, and the story doesn’t try to make it seem as if the rest of the world has stopped existing. This last thing is what’s wrong with Nick’s take. Yes, Leo needed a few episodes to recover, which is something. That said, stuff doesn’t actually stop happening just because it can’t be seen, and yet that’s precisely how the turtles and the show act—as if the Kraang weren’t an ongoing concern, and one that grows increasingly more dangerous the more it is left unattended. There’s no sense of object permanence, and it makes both the show and the characters look incredibly childish and irresponsible. The turtles may not be physically capable of returning to Manhattan just yet (debatable) but that doesn’t stop them from actually doing stuff to prepare while they're at the farm. Planning out strategies, considering their options—maybe recruiting the army of Mutant Frogs they’ve just met—shoring up their defenses in case the Kraang expand to upstate New York or heck, even making the slightest attempt at keeping up with the news. If any of that is happening, it’s in offscreen-land, along with any sense of logical plot progression or any portrayal of women that isn’t deeply sexist. But no; the writers have bigger fish to fry, like keeping the love triangle spinning in its wheels or have the Nth iteration of their standard Mikey plot or introducing yet more mutants. Because, you see, when they claimed that the invasion of New York was important, they were lying. Had it actually been important, they would have given it the barest amount of thought, instead of giving us stock invasion footage and mixing it with a tepid “twist” and an adaptation of beloved Mirage material. It would have consequences which flowed naturally from what came before, instead of just being written in accordance to the whim of the day. Instead, it is no longer a factor, and will likely not remain so until the Kraang are once again onscreen, when the writers will once again try to convince us that it’s all terribly important and dramatic, even when it makes no sense and contradicts everything we've been told before. The really ironic thing is that the Northampton stories have been some of my favorite in the series (by which I mean that they've been mostly inoffensive, except when they aren't). The context they exist, though, doesn't work at all. This has been a rant. __________________ Monsters of New York, my TMNT/Gargoyles Blog Avatar artwork by Madseason. Previous avatar artwork by Lorna-ka.

11-24-2014, 05:51 PM	#15
blindturtle02 Foot Elite Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Tx Posts: 2,627	I miss Splinter and Karai as well. I also miss Shredder! Hey, the Kraang too. I actually like those guys. Other than that, I think I'm good. Oh wait! Someone needs to thaw Timothy out and let him do some damage when they get back to NYC. Poor kid. __________________ Please don't remove my nice hat and wack me in the butt with it.

11-24-2014, 06:25 PM	#16
Shark_Blade Emperor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,909	I wish Casey mingles with other turtles more besides Donnie. Other than that I have no problem, the show is frightfully entertaining.

11-24-2014, 06:33 PM	#17
IndigoErth Team Blue Boy Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: U.S., East Coast Posts: 16,293	Can't say I have much to vent on this show, I'm pretty lenient on it. I simply wish they could just fully own their time slot. No matter which day or hour they decide to put it on, it's theirs. If there is no new one to show then there is a repeat of TMNT, not some other show that's on at other times already, or to add insult to injury a repeat of said show. 8pm Friday? Then let it be fully theirs. Not just theirs unless you feel like airing something else.

11-24-2014, 07:00 PM	#19
Autbot_Benz Hellblazer Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ventura California Posts: 9,174	ya I even miss the ones called the Kraang who want to destroy the ones called the turtles. __________________ I respect what FW cartoon did for the turtles franchise but it is the most overrated and hard to watch of the 3 turtles cartoons.

11-24-2014, 07:16 PM	#20
Ramboraph4life aka Matt Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2004 Location: North Liberty, Iowa Posts: 1,233	The character development is pretty poor, considering all the constant praise about the 'writing' of this show. And why have Raph act like such a heel about how worthless Mikey is after the whole 'Mikey hugging Raph/getting him under control' in the finale (let alone why would Mikey NOT want a hug from Raph...it's very Out Of Character for Mikey to say something like that, and if it was just 'a joke' it wasn't funny). It's like all of the characters keep having memory loss on what happened in the past...even for a cartoon, it is getting ridiculous. And give Raphael an actual arc, or an actual storyline, or some actual badass fight sequences to himself, or make him a hero in an episode...recently he's been treated like crap.