Sony Pictures Entertainment Brings Marvel Studios Into The Amazing World Of Spider-Ma

[Leo656]

Hancock......didn't he get like 1 movie??


One crummy movie that didn't beg for any kind of sequel, yes, he did have that. :lol:

And how the hell did anyone miss Blade, or the rest of the Blades. I mean they weren't great but the first 3 got a lot of press (4th went to DVD I think). No offense, honest question, but exactly how old are you?

Interesting fact: If Blade hadn't made money, we might not have even gotten X-Men, Spider-Man, or any of the other movies that happened since. Before Blade, comic movies were "unhip" and "corny" and nobody would touch them. Then Blade was hot and people liked comic movies again.

So yeah, surprised you missed it. For such a "forgettable minority character picking up the scraps," his movie was a pretty huge deal, historically. Read a book and know your history, whippersnapper!

Big problem with Storm is the same problem with every X-Man... she, like a lot of 'em, is so over-powered you either keep them in the background or "break" the entire movie. But forget that, you know what I wanna see? Halle Berry in a mohawk wig. THAT is the Storm that would earn my ticket money. :lol: Percent 1000, baba.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Are you serious?? There have been many legacy characters that weren't related and had the same superpower incident.

why are you singling out Miles??

ya know what ticks me off...you're so quick to diss Miles....do you even know what Miles can do for people?

Miles has the ability to be representation for a little black kid who has always loved Spider-man but was told he couldn't be one because he wasn't white by other kids. You don't think it happens? It happens! I helped at a kindergarten and those kids are ruthless sometimes.

It angers me that fanboys/girls are so nit-picky and protective of their "original" heroes even though they have been here FOREVER that literally giving someone else the spotlight, someone that could actually change the world is too crazy a thought.

"why can't he be another NEW hero"

cause....we will NEVER get a chance to see some random new hero on the big screen. Its HARD enough to get a popular black hero (or any minority) on the big screen so don't even start!


REALLY?! Name them. All the "Legacy" characters are such because they were the FIRST, and because they actually have a long, rich history. Iron-Man BUILT his own suits. All the others copied his designs. The other Spider-characters all had different origins (and one is his kid, most of the others are his CLONES) and do we REALLY need ANOTHER Spider-based character, anyway? It's like all the Super-Man wanna-bes in DC. Hulk is the only one who really had others with the same "origin" (basically, all just exposed to gamma rays) but that's a pretty simple one, and not hard to duplicate. There was even an "undead" Hulk named Digger. (He only appeared ONCE. In Spider-Man's book, oddly enough.) But his origin was: dead mobsters' bodies exposed to radioactive chemicals in a dump site, brought back to life and.... That one's weird.

Urgh, it's not like we haven't seen plenty of "random" black heroes in comics or on the big screen. Black Panther has had an animated film, and is touted to show up in the MCU Avengers, we've already had Falcon- FALCON of all people!- in Cap 2, Storm in at least THREE X-Men movies (I haven't seen DOFP) and Blade. Nick Fury, for another. (But Hasselhoff did it first, ha!) Do we REALLY need Spider-Man to be black now, too??!! These are characters that were CREATED that way. As in- ORIGINAL.

And Miles won't "change the world" any more than a black Johnny Storm will. He's the torch-bearer to another, better-known character, and no more or less than that. At BEST, he will always be an "also ran". I don't know about you, but to me, that's a pretty crappy reason to remember a character. The whole point of why people are fans of these characters is because they relate to them on a deeper level than skin-tone, anyway. So, yes, fans DO get ticked if the newbie comes along and starts getting the focus from the one who was there FIRST. Because it's just silly to start changing every character into something they were never created to be. If Stan Lee had wanted Spider-Man to be black, he'd have made Peter that way to begin with. He chose to make him as ordinary as possible. And guess what? In the sixties, that meant plain old white boy. And that's exactly how he should stay. Because anything else is just change for the sake of being "edgy and modern".

Kids can dress up as any friggin character they want, because they know it's make-believe, and that character is whatever they WANT them to be when they dress up. And Halloween is ONE day out of the year- kids aren't dressing up as these characters every day, unless they are just THAT nuts about them, and then I doubt they would care what others think or say to them. You don't even need NEW heroes for this, there are already plenty of them that already exist and haven't even been tapped yet! Shoot, while we're at it, let's make HULK black. Since he turns green anyway, it's not like anyone will care what race HE is. He could be Latino, and who'd notice? No one ever remembers what he looks like OUTSIDE of his Hulk-form. Why do we have to keep race-bending existing heroes, when there are others standing right beside them that already fit your racial mold? FF's Johnny Storm is black now, apparently. Even though there is NO good reason for it, other than "we need more black/Asian/etc. heroes".

We have Native American heroes in Thunderbird, Dani Moonstar (female, I might add), and others. We have Mirage, Psylocke, and Sunspot for Asian heroes (also all X-Men), we have Latino heroes like Cannonball and Arana.... The list goes on- there are even Hindu and Middle Eastern ones- and ALL of them have existed for at least five-ten years or more! Spike, Prodigy, etc. I could pull out my Marvel Encyclopedia and list dozens, but I won't, because you see what I'm getting at. They may not be as BIG as Spidey, but there are MORE than enough minority heroes without race-bending those that have existed for decades. It's just a straw-man argument, because the entire basis of it is "we need more___", which is false, because they already exist. So WHAT if Spider-Man is Peter Parker? He's a CHARACTER, not just a set of powers in a suit. Iron-Man could be ANYBODY, in theory, but it's Tony Stark who MAKES that character interesting. Not the suit. IT's not Cap's abilities that make him interesting, either. It's his CHARACTER. The MAN in the suit, not the suit itself. And I'm not even going to get into the whole Bucky-Cap thing.....

Basically, you're arguing that ANYONE could "be" Spider-Man, if they have the costume and some spider-like abilities. Not true. Characters are NOT their powers alone. If you want a different ethnicity for Spidey, fine. We've had that for years- in 2099. Miguel O'Hara is mixed race. And his character makes more sense than a blatant rip-off in the SAME TIME-PERIOD with the SAME EXACT origin as Spidey. It's pandering, pure and simple. And unnecessary. Also mildly annoying, and insulting to the character that came fist.

[Leo656]

we've already had Falcon- FALCON of all people!- in Cap 2

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http://i.imgur.com/7OY1gDB.jpg

[Candy Kappa]

"waah, it all must be the same, cause that's how it's always been."

Apparently it's unthinkable for some... people, that a black kid that lives with his aunt in Queens likes science and photography. maybe it's a White thing.

[BabyTurtles]

man I know the chances are slim....but I still hope for a Miles animated movie...

I mean Peter gets to be in the Live-action movies and Miles begins in an animated movie!

that way there won't be 2 Petey's and we get something a little different.

[ZariusTwo]

This Miles hard-on needs to deflate. It's making me hate him. I don't like hating on Bendis creations.

[BabyTurtles]

This Miles hard-on needs to deflate. It's making me hate him. I don't like hating on Bendis creations.

Then just ignore what I'm saying. :ohwell:

or start a different conversation.

anyway....they say they are doing an animated movie but do we know...

1) if it's going to be a animated kids movie
2) do we know which Spidey they will pick? (whether it be Peter/Miles/Gwen/ any other spiderman)
3) and will it be another origin story!?

[plastroncafe]

"waah, it all must be the same, cause that's how it's always been."

Apparently it's unthinkable for some... people, that a black kid that lives with his aunt in Queens likes science and photography. maybe it's a White thing.

But don't you see? We shouldn't need characters to look like us to identify with them, so long as that character is white! Make that character any other shade and it's RUINING THEM! Because...how can someone identify with a black Spider-man?

I would like to applaud Sony Pictures for managing to find so many white kids who look nearly identical.
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[Candy Kappa]

Wow... They should just hire them all and do the hilariously bad Clone Saga on film.

[CyberCubed]

Peter Parker is white so they're casting young white males, why is this becoming some sort of feminist or race issue? What's next, a black Batman or an Asian female Superman?

[ZariusTwo]

Wow... They should just hire them all and do the hilariously bad Clone Saga on film.

The Clone Saga was'nt that bad. And it made Marvel s*it loads of money back then. AND it's legacy resulted in heroes with cult followings like Kane and Mayday

[Candy Kappa]

It was pretty bad.

[BabyTurtles]

Peter Parker is white so they're casting young white males, why is this becoming some sort of feminist or race issue? What's next, a black Batman or an Asian female Superman?

Well there's a black Superman
a black Captain America
a Pakistani Ms. Marvel

and does Batwing count as a black batman?

[ZariusTwo]

It was pretty bad.

Not as bad as OMD or Superior Spider-Man

[plastroncafe]

Not as bad as OMD or Superior Spider-Man

Where would the most recent reboot rank in the grand spectrum of Spider-man?

[Candy Kappa]

and does Batwing count as a black batman?

If he does, then we've had two black Captain America, thre's also that guy who was a test subject to recreate the Super Soldier serum.

[BabyTurtles]

you know what would be nice? A Static Shock movie.

people complain so much about minorities taking over white heroes.

and yet here we are without a Static Shock movie....one of the most popular black heroes.

[Candy Kappa]

Black Lightning movie

with the afro. I'd watch that movie on opening ngiht.

[ZariusTwo]

Where would the most recent reboot rank in the grand spectrum of Spider-man?

It sold pretty well actually (like the Clone Saga did), and led to the cult book Superior Foes, I never had an outright problem with the concept (Doc Ock as Spidey), it was the writing on the main book that was reviled.

[plastroncafe]

It sold pretty well actually (like the Clone Saga did), and led to the cult book Superior Foes, I never had an outright problem with the concept (Doc Ock as Spidey), it was the writing on the main book that was reviled.

Oh no no, I meant the last movie in comparison to the overall Spectrum of Spidey Stories.

Like...if 1 is the worst thing ever, and 10 is the greatest story of Spidey ever told, where would this movie rank?

But...this is also interesting to know. Most of my exposure to Marvel stuff is through the X-books and now Avengers, so I don't really know how the new Spidey stuff is being received.

[Candy Kappa]

Not as bad as OMD or Superior Spider-Man

well... Just becasue something new is bad, doesn't make older material that was bad suddenly good.

Just because we have All-Star Batman & Robin, doesn't mean that Dark Knight Strikes Again is now a good story.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

well... Just becasue something new is bad, doesn't make older material that was bad suddenly good.

Just because we have All-Star Batman & Robin, doesn't mean that Dark Knight Strikes Again is now a good story.

So what exactly is wrong with Dark knight Strikes Again, apart from the Art?

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Peter Parker is white so they're casting young white males, why is this becoming some sort of feminist or race issue? What's next, a black Batman or an Asian female Superman?


Thank you. Someone gets it. Not that I'm against "legacy characters of race" per se- I just hate the idea that they would have an IDENTICAL origin to the original. It's just BAD WRITING.


you know what would be nice? A Static Shock movie.

people complain so much about minorities taking over white heroes.

and yet here we are without a Static Shock movie....one of the most popular black heroes.


Now see? THIS- THIS I could actually get behind. Instead of taking an established character WITH POWERS and turning his powers and suit over to a new owner like it's just a used car, why not take another ESTABLISHED character of (insert race here) and do a movie on THEM??! How is that so hard to understand??!! THAT's my WHOLE POINT!


well... Just becasue something new is bad, doesn't make older material that was bad suddenly good.

Just because we have All-Star Batman & Robin, doesn't mean that Dark Knight Strikes Again is now a good story.


Maybe not, but it looks BETTER in comparison. Like taking two rotten apples, and judging which one is MORE rotten. Compared to the OMD mess, Clone Saga is actually- pretty decent. And it led to some interesting characters and plot-threads. OMD day just ended ups DESRTOYING plots. Much worse, IMHO.

[Amaranthus]

you know what would be nice? A Static Shock movie.

people complain so much about minorities taking over white heroes.

and yet here we are without a Static Shock movie....one of the most popular black heroes.

Why haven't they made a new Blade yet?
(Also, sometimes I wish they'd focus more on the movie itself instead of connecting it to a huge universe, it's annoying.)

[Candy Kappa]

So what exactly is wrong with Dark knight Strikes Again, apart from the Art?

What IS good about DK2?

The art is bad, the story is pretty meh and uninspiring, characters acting off, overall it's a terrible sequel to Dark Knight Returns.


No wait, there is a good thing about DK2, the hilarity that is Batman's oversized Kryptonite boxing gloves, that is gold.

[Leo656]

So what exactly is wrong with Dark knight Strikes Again, apart from the Art?

Every. Single. Thing.

[ToTheNines]

1) False equivalency. This Jar Is Full of Major Characters (http://timemachineyeah.tumblr.com/post/58648290519/this-is-a-jar-full-of-major-characters)

Heh, I kinda like that. What's so ridiculous to me, is the knee jerk racism you see when stuff like this is brought up.

For example, TMNT is my ****. Therefore, I sometimes get a little bent out of shape when new versions change things that I think are for the worse. It's something I avidly follow and have a very informed opinion on.

But then you have the average internet ass hole (let's say cybercubed), who gets all "they made the gaw damned X-Men GAY"... when I know that mutha fugga doesn't even read the current Bendis run.

Even if they somehow ruined Spider-Man, that won't take away or undo the comics or the Spectacular animated series.

[plastroncafe]

Every. Single. Thing.

Is that the "Dick Greyson, Age Twelve" story?

[BabyTurtles]

Now see? THIS- THIS I could actually get behind. Instead of taking an established character WITH POWERS and turning his powers and suit over to a new owner like it's just a used car, why not take another ESTABLISHED character of (insert race here) and do a movie on THEM??! How is that so hard to understand??!! THAT's my WHOLE POINT!


okay yea...but I still want my Miles movie XD.....I want both. I mean he's already created might as well use him.

also I want a Ms. Marvel movie....(but I'll patently wait for that one)

but yea....Static Shock...should of had that by now.

[Candy Kappa]

Is that the "Dick Greyson, Age Twelve" story?

No, that's All-Star Batman & Robin.

Also have the lovely quote from... The guy supposed to be Batman
"What are you, dense? Are you retarded or something? Who the hell do you think I am? I'm the goddamn Batman!"

Both by crazy Miller

[Leo656]

Is that the "Dick Greyson, Age Twelve" story?

Dark Knight Strikes Again is the "Nobody Asked For This" sequel to the already supremely overrated and honestly not-that-special Dark Knight Returns. Pretty much the pinnacle of the whole "Batman Can Beat Up The Universe" lunacy. Grayson ends up being the ultimate villain and an invincible shape-shifter. Superman and Wonder Woman f*ck so hard they break a mountain. Plastic Man is in it. It's baaaaaaaaaad.

You may be thinking of "All-Star Batman and Robin," which is almost as awful from a totally different direction, but is kind of the "prequel" to DKR and DKSA, as Miller claims all his Batman stories are in the same continuity.

I kinda think Frank Miller sucks really hard and I hold those two books as evidence.

[plastroncafe]

No, that's All-Star Batman & Robin.

Also have the lovely quote from... The guy supposed to be Batman
"What are you, dense? Are you retarded or something? Who the hell do you think I am? I'm the goddamn Batman!"

Both by crazy Miller

That poor man. Drunk and poisoned on his own Kool-Aid.

[Leo656]

Also have the lovely quote from... The guy supposed to be Batman
"What are you, dense? Are you retarded or something? Who the hell do you think I am? I'm the goddamn Batman!"


If you read ASB&R, DKR, and DKSR in a row, by the end of it you totally look at Batman as the bad guy and are actively wishing someone would kill this pompous c*** already. True story. :lol:

[MsMarvelDuckie]

okay yea...but I still want my Miles movie XD.....I want both. I mean he's already created might as well use him.

also I want a Ms. Marvel movie....(but I'll patently wait for that one)

but yea....Static Shock...should of had that by now.


Sadly, you're probably in very sparse company for a Miles-Spider movie. I just don't see him ever being popular enough to carry one on his own. As a team member in an Avenger movie? Maybe- though he doesn't really have enough MEMORABLE history for even that much, TBH. But hey, keep hoping. It could (maybe?) happen some day. Kinda' doubt it, but.... Hollywood is full of crazy ideas. Some work, some don't.

Now THAT is a movie I'd want to see, too! Funny thing, I was just talking about wanting a Ms. Marvel movie about an hour ago when my hubby was reading the news threads about ScarJo wanting to do a Black Widow movie. I say YES to BOTH!!

[Candy Kappa]

Dark Knight Strikes Again is the "Nobody Asked For This" sequel to the already supremely overrated and honestly not-that-special Dark Knight Returns. Pretty much the pinnacle of the whole "Batman Can Beat Up The Universe" lunacy. Grayson ends up being the ultimate villain and an invincible shape-shifter. Superman and Wonder Woman f*ck so hard they break a mountain. Plastic Man is in it. It's baaaaaaaaaad.

You may be thinking of "All-Star Batman and Robin," which is almost as awful from a totally different direction, but is kind of the "prequel" to DKR and DKSA, as Miller claims all his Batman stories are in the same continuity.

I kinda think Frank Miller sucks really hard and I hold those two books as evidence.

There's also Holy Terror by Frank Miller. It's Batman battling Muslims after Gotham got attacked by terrorists, except DC didn't like it and Miller changed the characters into thinly veiled stand-ins of Batman and Catwoman.

It's bad, so extremely bad.

[plastroncafe]

There's also Holy Terror by Frank Miller. It's Batman battling Muslims after Gotham got attacked by terrorists, except DC didn't like it and Miller changed the characters into thinly veiled stand-ins of Batman and Catwoman.

It's bad, so extremely bad.

Not to mention racist, sexist, jingoistic, and xenophobic.
But...I mean, it's just easier to say Frank Miller wrote it.

And I say that as someone who loves Sin City for the pornography that it is.

[Leo656]

:lol: I remember hearing about that one.

I never really cared for his work, at all. It's so damn self-reverent. His stuff has such a great reputation, but as stories, they kind of suck. Pretty much anybody could do better Batman stories, certainly. http://cdn.meme.am/instances/400x/48984144.jpg
See? Even Sheik know that Frank Miller is nothing but Hollywood blonde jabroni. Not The Real, not The Legend. Jabroni Bay, go f*** yourself forever, and have a good day, raisin balls. You no respect The Legend, so you worse than the Virgil, percent 1000.

[Candy Kappa]

Year One is pretty good, and I really like Dark Knight Returns. But DK2 and Assbar is so terrible. And I really like his Daredevil work in the 80's.

[plastroncafe]

Year One is pretty good, and I really like Dark Knight Returns. But DK2 and Assbar is so terrible. And I really like his Daredevil work in the 80's.

I've heard good things about his run on Daredevil, and not just because it spawned the turtles.
Maybe I'll see if a friend owns a copy, or if they have one at the library. There's no way in hell I'm going to give that man money if I can avoid it.

[TurtleTitan97]

I've heard good things about his run on Daredevil, and not just because it spawned the turtles.
Maybe I'll see if a friend owns a copy, or if they have one at the library. There's no way in hell I'm going to give that man money if I can avoid it.

You should check out Daredevil: The Man Without Fear and Daredevil: Born Again. Those are great.

[BabyTurtles]

Sadly, you're probably in very sparse company for a Miles-Spider movie. I just don't see him ever being popular enough to carry one on his own. As a team member in an Avenger movie? Maybe- though he doesn't really have enough MEMORABLE history for even that much, TBH. But hey, keep hoping. It could (maybe?) happen some day. Kinda' doubt it, but.... Hollywood is full of crazy ideas. Some work, some don't.

Now THAT is a movie I'd want to see, too! Funny thing, I was just talking about wanting a Ms. Marvel movie about an hour ago when my hubby was reading the news threads about ScarJo wanting to do a Black Widow movie. I say YES to BOTH!!

Wait a minute....your cool with Ms. Marvel....but not Miles?
Didn't Kamala take over a mantle like Miles did?

(except she has different powers) Please don't say it's only because she has different powers.

[TurtleTitan97]

Wait a minute....your cool with Ms. Marvel....but not Miles?
Didn't Kamala take over a mantle like Miles did?

(except she has different powers) Please don't say it's only because she has different powers.

Funny how you brought Kamala up. There's actually word going around that the newly announced upcoming untitled Marvel television series from John Ridley currently in development is a Ms. Marvel series.

Course it's just a rumor for now, but still.

[BabyTurtles]

Funny how you brought Kamala up. There's actually word going around that the newly announced upcoming untitled Marvel television series from John Ridley currently in development is a Ms. Marvel series.

Course it's just a rumor for now, but still.

That'd be awesome! I love me some Kamala ^__^

[Leo656]

Everybody loves Kamala.

http://cdn2.cagepotato.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/kamala_ugandan_giant.jpg
Every single person here had to know that was comin'.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

I haven't kept up with comics regularly in about four years, for money reasons. And I'm a fan of the ORIGINAL Ms. Marvel- Carol Danvers. She's an awesome character with flaws, a great backstory, and lots of history. I don't even CARE what her ethnicity is (and the big boobs some artists depict her with is a bit of a turn-off, TBH), because I like her because she is a female fighter pilot-turned-superhero. Who also happens to be an alcoholic with self-esteem issues. I don't really care what her powers are- Rogue has the EXACT SAME POWERS (she took them from Carol, actually, and left her in a coma for YEARS because of it), but I like that they have that connection and bad blood between them because of it.

My reasons for liking the characters are because of the person BEHIND the costume, not he costume or powers themselves. That's why all the knock-offs feel so cheap to me. I'm not a fan of all the Spider-Woman wanna-be's, I prefer Jessica, with her rich story and especially since she joined New Avengers right after the Disassembled storyline in '99. I have a mint, 1st print SIGNED copy of New Avengers #1, with certificate and print #, and another copy of the same issue where she was recruited to the team. Loved her ever since.

Honestly, I really dislike this recent trend Marvel has been on of hand-me-down powers and/or mantles. It just feels cheap and dumb, as if they can't come up with NW ideas, so they retread older ones with new "skins" and makes pseudo-new characters that are really just re-skinned versions of the old ones, to be "hip" or "inclusive" or whatever. It's just to sell comics or movie tickets, NOT for the interest of telling a good story. I don't care about Miles, or Kamela, or any of the "new" (insert hero name here) characters. They hold no interest for me, because they are basically that "character" in name only. All they REALLY have in common is what hero-handle they go by, and that just doesn't hold my interest. Like we've already had THREE Spider-Women, (Or is it four? I lost count?) three Hulks, etc. I like the ones I grew up with, and SOME of the newer characters from before Marvel went all PC, but I'm not going to jump on the fan-wagon of someone just because they're CALLED Ms. Marvel. I'd rather have the character with some actual meat, not the "character lite" version.

[BabyTurtles]

I haven't kept up with comics regularly in about four years, for money reasons. And I'm a fan of the ORIGINAL Ms. Marvel- Carol Danvers. She's an awesome character with flaws, a great backstory, and lots of history. I don't even CARE what her ethnicity is (and the big boobs some artists depict her with is a bit of a turn-off, TBH), because I like her because she is a female fighter pilot-turned-superhero. Who also happens to be an alcoholic with self-esteem issues. I don't really care what her powers are- Rogue has the EXACT SAME POWERS (she took them from Carol, actually, and left her in a coma for YEARS because of it), but I like that they have that connection and bad blood between them because of it.

My reasons for liking the characters are because of the person BEHIND the costume, not he costume or powers themselves. That's why all the knock-offs feel so cheap to me. I'm not a fan of all the Spider-Woman wanna-be's, I prefer Jessica, with her rich story and especially since she joined New Avengers right after the Disassembled storyline in '99. I have a mint, 1st print SIGNED copy of New Avengers #1, with certificate and print #, and another copy of the same issue where she was recruited to the team. Loved her ever since.

Honestly, I really dislike this recent trend Marvel has been on of hand-me-down powers and/or mantles. It just feels cheap and dumb, as if they can't come up with NW ideas, so they retread older ones with new "skins" and makes pseudo-new characters that are really just re-skinned versions of the old ones, to be "hip" or "inclusive" or whatever. It's just to sell comics or movie tickets, NOT for the interest of telling a good story. I don't care about Miles, or Kamela, or any of the "new" (insert hero name here) characters. They hold no interest for me, because they are basically that "character" in name only. All they REALLY have in common is what hero-handle they go by, and that just doesn't hold my interest. Like we've already had THREE Spider-Women, (Or is it four? I lost count?) three Hulks, etc. I like the ones I grew up with, and SOME of the newer characters from before Marvel went all PC, but I'm not going to jump on the fan-wagon of someone just because they're CALLED Ms. Marvel. I'd rather have the character with some actual meat, not the "character lite" version.

dang....I feel bad for you because Kamala is such an awesome character.

and really it wouldn't matter if she wasn't Ms.Marvel.

her CHARACTER (her personality/her struggles) are so amazing.
she's so freakin adorkable


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sometimes the characters that come after are better than the characters before. I mean I love Wally West more than Barry.

Heroes are about helping people in need and I think it's nice that more than one person can hold the same title, it's passing the torch to people who truly deserve it.

and Miles and Kamala deserve it.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Urghk. That art- Just.... Ugh, no. Such a turn-off already. And you're talking to the wrong person for that- newer isn't always better, either. Don't get me wrong, some ARE great. I like Toxin FAr more than Venom, but it's because his situation was so darned interesting, and he was in fact, a really GOOD character (albeit underused). But for the most part, I find the newer versions just "watered-down", cheap, or lazy attempts to re-create the same lightning-in-a-bottle effect as the originals, using the SAME power-set or theme, but just with a new face. And it cheapens the entire comic experience for me. I didn't like Red hulk, I don't care much for Bucky as Cap (give me Steve back!) I'm equally as into old Nick Fury as the Sam Jackson version, and I love Jean and Rachel equally as Phoenix. Even Emma as the Phoenix was freaking awesome, for all that it lasted only a few pages. But most mantles just don't work as well on someone else as they did on the original.

Don't get me wrong- I LOVE Falcon, Luke Cage, and Storm, and others like Cannonball or Sunspot. But I don't see the need to re-create these characters as someone "new" by putting the name on a different face. Which is what I feel they've been doing for the last five years or so. And as a writer myself (with my OWN legacy Spider-kid, in fact) I just feel like it's gone to ridiculous extremes.

And for the record, to avoid claims of hypocrisy, my Spider-kid doesn't CALL himself spider-Man, even though he has ALMOST the same powers (plus a couple of "extras, LOL!) He wanted to distance himself from his famous dad's image by using a different name. So we have Red-Back. Still a spider, but a very different mage. (And for the record, I was using the black/red color scheme for his suit LONG before Miles! So that part of Miles actually feels vaguely insulting, because it's almost exactly the same as what I came up with. And I sometimes have to wonder if any Marvel staff saw that design and "borrowed" it for Miles....)

[BabyTurtles]

Urghk. That art- Just.... Ugh, no. Such a turn-off already. And you're talking to the wrong person for that- newer isn't always better, either. Don't get me wrong, some ARE great. I like Toxin FAr more than Venom, but it's because his situation was so darned interesting, and he was in fact, a really GOOD character (albeit underused). But for the most part, I find the newer versions just "watered-down", cheap, or lazy attempts to re-create the same lightning-in-a-bottle effect as the originals, using the SAME power-set or theme, but just with a new face. And it cheapens the entire comic experience for me. I didn't like Red hulk, I don't care much for Bucky as Cap (give me Steve back!) I'm equally as into old Nick Fury as the Sam Jackson version, and I love Jean and Rachel equally as Phoenix. Even Emma as the Phoenix was freaking awesome, for all that it lasted only a few pages. But most mantles just don't work as well on someone else as they did on the original.

Don't get me wrong- I LOVE Falcon, Luke Cage, and Storm, and others like Cannonball or Sunspot. But I don't see the need to re-create these characters as someone "new" by putting the name on a different face. Which is what I feel they've been doing for the last five years or so. And as a writer myself (with my OWN legacy Spider-kid, in fact) I just feel like it's gone to ridiculous extremes.

And for the record, to avoid claims of hypocrisy, my Spider-kid doesn't CALL himself spider-Man, even though he has ALMOST the same powers (plus a couple of "extras, LOL!) He wanted to distance himself from his famous dad's image by using a different name. So we have Red-Back. Still a spider, but a very different mage. (And for the record, I was using the black/red color scheme for his suit LONG before Miles! So that part of Miles actually feels vaguely insulting, because it's almost exactly the same as what I came up with. And I sometimes have to wonder if any Marvel staff saw that design and "borrowed" it for Miles....)

well you can call it watering it down or maybe it's a new version for new readers to get into.

I never knew Captain Marvel.....but I'm into Ms.Marvel and I love her.

It's a new generation...and sometimes I feel like older fans feel a little attacked when their characters are being replaced.

I'd be bored if I had to write with the same characters over and over again....It seems fun to have the same superhero but a different character with a fresh story.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

The funny part is, most of the new-gen stories aren't even new or fresh. I've read so many reboots, ret-cons, and even alternate-universe takes on heroes that after a while, it is just the same thing, done with a different "spin". There are exceptions, of course. Marvel's Noir books were an amazing new take on some old characters done in a 1940's film-noir style, and the characters were the SAME ONES as the main MU, but with different backstories and edgier personas, new costumes, and a different setting, and it was GREAT! Same with the 1602 setting storyline. Imagine Spider-Man and the Hulk in early colonial New World. Virginia Colony, in the time of Queen Elizabeth I's last days. It was fantastic. So I'm not against taking old characters and doing something new or different, but why even bother with the NAME, if it's not the same character at all??! Might as well give them a new name altogether.

[CyberCubed]

The funny thing is the only reason why people don't complain about Batgirl is because she didn't "replace" Batman, she just turned out to be Batman's second sidekick after Robin. And then Batgirl became so popular she was able to lead a series on her own.

[BabyTurtles]

The funny part is, most of the new-gen stories aren't even new or fresh. I've read so many reboots, ret-cons, and even alternate-universe takes on heroes that after a while, it is just the same thing, done with a different "spin". There are exceptions, of course. Marvel's Noir books were an amazing new take on some old characters done in a 1940's film-noir style, and the characters were the SAME ONES as the main MU, but with different backstories and edgier personas, new costumes, and a different setting, and it was GREAT! Same with the 1602 setting storyline. Imagine Spider-Man and the Hulk in early colonial New World. Virginia Colony, in the time of Queen Elizabeth I's last days. It was fantastic. So I'm not against taking old characters and doing something new or different, but why even bother with the NAME, if it's not the same character at all??! Might as well give them a new name altogether.


look all I'm saying is, I don't care.

I don't care if another character is taking over the mantle of another character. As long as the character is cool and interesting what does it matter?

[Leo656]

On the other hand: If there's nothing wrong with an existing character, why arbitrarily put them on a shelf and replace them?

Like, when they re-introduced Superboy back in 1993, I thought he was a great character, and he is. But if they had left Superman dead and had his teenage clone fully replace him in all the books? Holy sh*t, that'd be awful. Not every idea justifies itself just by being thought up, basically. "Why not?", to me, isn't a good enough reason to do make a drastic change to something a lot of people are familiar with and emotionally invested in.

Not that you can't *ever*, but there should actually be a little substance to it. I mean, like you said, it worked with Wally over Barry. But to be fair, Wally'd been in the books forever and the idea of him replacing Barry one day was kind of all but looked at as inevitable by the time it actually happened. That was an example where it worked out great, but it wasn't something they just suddenly sprung on people one day, either.

[MikeandRaph87]

Its a matter of opinion. I prefer to keep the iconic version of a character in the same identity but have different things done with that person just do not take away apart of who they are. Peter Parker is Spider-Man no matter what. Same can be said for many characters. I don't care for Dick Grayson as Nightwing for example but love him as Robin. Not need to take away their other identity. A similar character can come up with a different name when he/she is created. Blackbat instead of Batgirl. The Batgirl title belongs to Barbara Gordon. So on.

What villains might we see? Please do not say Green Goblin. I am open to any villain especially one not yet adapted. We already have seen aside form GG, Doc Ock, Venom, Sandman, Lizard, Sandman, and Rhino. Perhaps have Vincent D'Onofrio as Kingpin adapted into a Marvel film if only a cameo? Mysterio? Scroprion? Shocker in a cameo?

[BabyTurtles]

On the other hand: If there's nothing wrong with an existing character, why arbitrarily put them on a shelf and replace them?

Like, when they re-introduced Superboy back in 1993, I thought he was a great character, and he is. But if they had left Superman dead and had his teenage clone fully replace him in all the books? Holy sh*t, that'd be awful. Not every idea justifies itself just by being thought up, basically. "Why not?", to me, isn't a good enough reason to do make a drastic change to something a lot of people are familiar with and emotionally invested in.

Not that you can't *ever*, but there should actually be a little substance to it.

Easy, after a while the same character gets boring. Well not "boring" but...well you can't be a superhero forever and writers I'm sure get tired of having to adjust to a character's whole life especially with all their baggage.

If we never replaced heroes we'd never get Barry or Wally....we'd still be with Jay.

and I want it to be done right too I don't just it to happen and it be terrible.

[Leo656]

What villains might we see?

Mysterio.

Dead serious, I wanna see giant fishbowl helmet Mysterio, like soooo bad.

Easy, after a while the same character gets boring.

Hah, to you possibly. I've never once in all my years of reading comics with Clark as Superman or Bruce as Batman, ever thought to myself, "This would be a lot more fun if tomorrow it was a totally different guy." :lol: I've definitely enjoyed all the "Elseworlds" and "What-If?" type stories they've done over the years, and other little stories where one of them was "replaced" temporarily, but never once did any of them make me go, "Wow, I wish this was the new status quo."

Could be just you, I'unno. I like seeing Grayson as Batman once in a while, for example, but it'd be a stretch for it to be a permanent kind of thing.

[BabyTurtles]

Mysterio.

Dead serious, I wanna see giant fishbowl helmet Mysterio, like soooo bad.



Hah, to you possibly. I've never once in all my years of reading comics with Clark as Superman or Bruce as Batman, ever thought to myself, "This would be a lot more fun if tomorrow it was a totally different guy." :lol: I've definitely enjoyed all the "Elseworlds" and "What-If?" type stories they've done over the years, and other little stories where one of them was "replaced" temporarily, but never once did any of them make me go, "Wow, I wish this was the new status quo."

Could be just you, I'unno. I like seeing Grayson as Batman once in a while, for example, but it'd be a stretch for it to be a permanent kind of thing.

I see how some characters won't work like Superman

but there are so many that do and I'm open to them. (and even to a new Superman if done right)

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Its a matter of opinion. I prefer to keep the iconic version of a character in the same identity but have different things done with that person just do not take away apart of who they are. Peter Parker is Spider-Man no matter what. Same can be said for many characters. I don't care for Dick Grayson as Nightwing for example but love him as Robin. Not need to take away their other identity. A similar character can come up with a different name when he/she is created. Blackbat instead of Batgirl. The Batgirl title belongs to Barbara Gordon. So on.

What villains might we see? Please do not say Green Goblin. I am open to any villain especially one not yet adapted. We already have seen aside form GG, Doc Ock, Venom, Sandman, Lizard, Sandman, and Rhino. Perhaps have Vincent D'Onofrio as Kingpin adapted into a Marvel film if only a cameo? Mysterio? Scroprion? Shocker in a cameo?


Exactly. This is what I've been saying all along, too. Why replace them just for something new? Why not just give the new character a different name and let them BOTH be used in their own stories? Would be even more interesting that way, as they might argue or have different ideas how to do the hero thing, and maybe different beliefs about key issues. Like one might not have any problems with collateral damage being dealt, or sacrificing one person to save others, and the other would be really ticked off by that attitude. I'd rather read that than see a character's name get tacked onto someone else just because "He's new and different!".


Easy, after a while the same character gets boring. Well not "boring" but...well you can't be a superhero forever and writers I'm sure get tired of having to adjust to a character's whole life especially with all their baggage.

If we never replaced heroes we'd never get Barry or Wally....we'd still be with Jay.

and I want it to be done right too I don't just it to happen and it be terrible.


The only reason characters get boring is because the writer doesn't know what to do with them, or how to use them in an interesting way. It's not the character's fault, either, it's the writer's. Sometimes writers just run out of ideas, or they get so overwhelmed by the character's history that they miss great story threads that could be used to do some really great arcs.

Also, characters DO get replaced- eventually. But by next-gen ones who are usually their own kids. Young Avengers, anyone? Avengers Next? Spider-Girl? We've already got plenty of these. But we're talking decades IN-STORY here. Most superhero stories don't progress beyond the ten-year mark. Then they usually get the ret-con treatment.

And speaking as someone who's done the superhero comic story thing (wish it was published, but....) I spent the better part of five years on Red-Back, and he never got boring no matter how long I worked on him. Actually, I even took him LITERALLY from birth to age 18, and some of my best issues with him were from before he even WAS a superhero! Or just simple "day in the life" tales. My favorite story I did with him was one where he caught a burglar breaking into an upscale apartment. The guy had had a string of bad luck starting from his youth, and Hunter spent the entire issue just talking with the guy, hearing his story and why he did what he did. And instead of taking him in and handing him to the cops (like he'd intended to do) Red-Back (Hunter is his real name) takes him to a friend of his and gets him a job. So he won't lose his little girl. That story won awards over on the Marvel boards back when they still had them, and not a single punch was ever thrown. No big bad villains, no threats to the world- just a guy down on his luck and desperate, doing something illegal to survive.

Hunter is Peter's son, in case anyone's wondering. A TRUE legacy character, but I never once even considered calling him "Spider-Boy" or "Spider-Man", because I wanted him to be his own character, not a rehash of Peter with a new identity.


Mysterio.

Dead serious, I wanna see giant fishbowl helmet Mysterio, like soooo bad.

Hah, to you possibly. I've never once in all my years of reading comics with Clark as Superman or Bruce as Batman, ever thought to myself, "This would be a lot more fun if tomorrow it was a totally different guy." :lol: I've definitely enjoyed all the "Elseworlds" and "What-If?" type stories they've done over the years, and other little stories where one of them was "replaced" temporarily, but never once did any of them make me go, "Wow, I wish this was the new status quo."

Could be just you, I'unno. I like seeing Grayson as Batman once in a while, for example, but it'd be a stretch for it to be a permanent kind of thing.


Yup. ditto to all of this. And I'd LOVE to see Mysterio finally get a movie!

[BabyTurtles]

eh I guess this is the point where we agree to disagree. XD

I just can't see it your way.

[Cure]

Straight white males of future generations are gonna have it rough, man.

[plastroncafe]

Back of the bus for them.

[NinjaPug]

Too bad these comic creators back in the day didn't have the foresight to create more minority characters.

[plastroncafe]

It is my understanding that they tried, but being as they were being raked over the coals contractually it's not as though they had a whole lot of choice.

I mean let's face it, every single super hero character is a ripoff of Superman. a copy of a copy of a copy so many times they barely resemble the original, but they are still rip off.

me personally? I prefer a Superman that flies, and doesn't just leap tall buildings in a single bound. I like that Carol Danvers is now Captain Marvel, and Kamala ms marvel.

I like change, and shaking up the dynamic. But then that's why I'm not a conservator, but rather a transformative.

[CyberCubed]

Too bad these comic creators back in the day didn't have the foresight to create more minority characters.

They did. John Stewart in the 70's, Cyborg, Beast Boy, etc.

There's always been minorities and tons of female superheroes. People just turn a blind eye to them for whatever reason.

[BabyTurtles]

They did. John Stewart in the 70's, Cyborg, Beast Boy, etc.

There's always been minorities and tons of female superheroes. People just turn a blind eye to them for whatever reason.

....BeastBoy? For what, green people? :ohwell:

[MsMarvelDuckie]

I think his actual ethnicity might be black, but not sure. His green color is a mutation, and part of his powers. Sort of like Kurt is German, but he's blue. Or the Hindu kid from New Mutants, who is purple.

[BabyTurtles]

I think his actual ethnicity might be black, but not sure. His green color is a mutation, and part of his powers. Sort of like Kurt is German, but he's blue. Or the Hindu kid from New Mutants, who is purple.

Pretty sure BB is a red-head.

[TurtleTitan97]

I think his actual ethnicity might be black, but not sure.

He isn't. Gar "Beast Boy" Logan was white before he got his powers.

[plastroncafe]

in Young Justice canon he got his abilities from I think a blood transfusion from Ms Martian. I believe he and his mother were studying animals in Africa at the time, but they were both white.

[CyberCubed]

I forgot Beast Boy was white. For some reason I thought he was hispanic. Probably the way he acted around Cyborg made me think that.

[Cure]

I forgot Beast Boy was white. For some reason I thought he was hispanic. Probably the way he acted around Cyborg made me think that.

Uuuuuuuuugh.

[BabyTurtles]

...Minorities trying to find Minority superheroes like them.

The process~

1) FIND a minority character
2) find a minority thats a GOOD character
3) hopefully that character has decent powers or ANY powers
4) hopefully that character isn't a stereotype
5) hopefully that character isn't dead already
6) hopefully they are actually USING the minority character in ANY recent comic
7) Bonus if he/she is not a side-character.
8 ) and finally....maybe that minority character happens to be your race....and your gender

PS you don't get to pick and choose who you like...minority superheroes are too darn rare.
also enjoy them while you can....who knows how long they will last.

[Cure]

As a minority, I have to say the most offensive thing of all this is all you assholes thinking minorities can only like or relate to other minorities.

**** you guys, I'll pretend to be Clark Kent all I want.

[BabyTurtles]

As a minority, I have to say the most offensive thing of all this is all you assholes thinking minorities can only like or relate to other minorities.

**** you guys, I'll pretend to be Clark Kent all I want.

of course not~ I can relate to WonderWomen and many other characters.

but representation does matter and it does feel good to have a character that looks like you kicking butt.

diversity is something we should be striving for.

[Cure]

but representation does matter and it does feel good to have a character that looks like you kicking butt.

No, it doesn't, have you seen me? I look like ****. My superheroes need to look exactly like NOT me.

[BabyTurtles]

No, it doesn't, have you seen me? I look like ****. My superheroes need to look exactly like NOT me.

http://media.giphy.com/media/QVlGEBzzBiCfC/giphy.gif

That's great for you.

and when I said look like you I don't mean your mirror image.

[Jester]

If that was the case....and we live in as much of a "patriarchy" wouldn't most superheroes look like:
http://www.cc.wwbtc.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/ThePulverizer.jpg

[BabyTurtles]

If that was the case....and we live in as much of a "patriarchy" wouldn't most superheroes look like:
http://www.cc.wwbtc.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/ThePulverizer.jpg

guys guys....I just meant race and gender...ect

actually though....having a few more heroes with different body types wouldn't hurt at all XD

[Cure]

Why would anyone want superheroes with the skin of my people? It's atrocious. Gimme smooth milky porcelain skin any day.

[BabyTurtles]

Why would anyone want superheroes with the skin of my people? It's atrocious. Gimme smooth milky porcelain skin any day.

okay....now I'm not sure if you're serious or not....I need a hint....

[Peanut]

Why would anyone want superheroes with the skin of my people? It's atrocious. Gimme smooth milky porcelain skin any day.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/tmntrule/snicker.jpg

[BabyTurtles]

Okay, that's enough internet for today.

[Candy Kappa]

Why replace them just for something new?

Sometimes heroes dies.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7f/Blue_Beetle_LAW.png

[MikeandRaph87]

They die so they can be placed by a minority. Ted Kord is a perfect example. No reason to kill him off. Jason Rusch(sp?) is the same case over Ronnie Raymond before DC tried to make them both Firestorm. Same thing with Atom,only it was his successor that was killed off only to magically reappear without explaination.

[Candy Kappa]

They die so they can be placed by a minority. .

Soon, there will be no white superheroes, tremble in fear!

[plastroncafe]

As a minority, I have to say the most offensive thing of all this is all you assholes thinking minorities can only like or relate to other minorities.

**** you guys, I'll pretend to be Clark Kent all I want.

I'm sorry you feel that way. me personally? I just want to know why comics continue to cater to such a loud vocal minority like straight white males. why does everything have to be political like that? there are clearly more white women then white males and yet because of the constant cries from meninists they're the ones being catered to.

it just doesn't make any sense. I mean I'm not saying I'm against male characters, when there's a really good reason for one of them to be male then sure but if the story doesn't require it, they should be female. damn tumblr meninists.

[Peanut]

There really does need to be more strong female characters. Preferably ones that aren't sexualized to the point of embarrassment. That said, the idea that it's something called "meminists" who are forcing some male-only agenda on this sh*t and not...you know...short-sighted and uninteresting market realities, is kind of hilarious.

[BabyTurtles]

There really does need to be more strong female characters. Preferably ones that aren't sexualized to the point of embarrassment. That said, the idea that it's something called "meminists" who are forcing some male-only agenda on this sh*t and not...you know...short-sighted and uninteresting market realities, is kind of hilarious.

Kamala is one~ but...yea we need alot more girls XD

[Leo656]

Kord is an interesting case, in that, he was on the bubble for so long he's more or less one of those characters you can replace without getting too many people annoyed, but at the same time, it could be argued that character wasn't "finished" yet, either. For starters, they never, ever did the fabled "Blue and Gold" team-up book with Booster Gold they first promised almost 25 years ago, aaaaand that's kind of annoying, because at one point they made a lot of noise about it, and now it's 99.9% never gonna happen. Secondly, it's not like Kord ever had a really "definitive" story or anything. I mean, he was a bit player, but even bit players deserve one "big" story about them, I feel... preferably one that doesn't end with getting shot in the face by your former boss. And now most modern DC media skips right over Ted and goes right to Jaime like Ted never existed or was important. That's kind of annoying.

Beetle was always one of my "obscure favorites" from back in the day, I kinda miss having him around.

[turtlefanforever]

Looks like Asa butterfeild is our new spider-man

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Looks like Asa butterfeild is our new spider-man

I had just finished watching Ender's Game and find this news. :D

[NinjaPug]

Looks like Latino Review jumped the gun on that one. Shocker.

Trades say Marvel is still meeting with actors.

[NinjaPug]

Tom Holland is the new Spidey.

Jon Watts is the new director.

http://marvel.com/news/movies/24758/sony_pictures_and_marvel_studios_find_their_spider-man_star_and_director

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

So what do you Spidey fans think? Excited, disappointed, wait and see?

[ZariusTwo]

Watts is a great choice.

[Amaranthus]

So what do you Spidey fans think? Excited, disappointed, wait and see?

This movie will have to be better than most of Marvel Studios' stuff to get me excited.

[TurtleTitan97]

So what do you Spidey fans think? Excited, disappointed, wait and see?

Definitely wait and see, since I'm not all to well familiar with either of them. Hope Holland does well in the role.

[Candy Kappa]

I'm on the fence with Tom Holland. I have no relations with him, and he looks a bit... bland.

But if he can sass it up like Garfield, sure, why not.

[Leo656]

Boooooo. Kid looks like he's 10 years old. :lol: Ah well. Could still be good. But yeah, he's not a good look. Let's hope he keeps the mask on. :lol:

[Jester]

Boooooo. Kid looks like he's 10 years old. :lol: Ah well. Could still be good. But yeah, he's not a good look. Let's hope he keeps the mask on. :lol:
A movie Spidey keeping the mask on...NAH! Heck, wasn't that a plot point in Civil War? Spidey takes mask off...but in the comics this time.

[Leo656]

It's also gonna be weird because when he did it in the comics, it was a big deal because he'd been Spider-Man for like ten years in comic-time, if you figure he started at 15 and the "present day" usually has him being about 25.

In the movie, it's gonna be like, "My name is Peter Parker, and I've been Spider-Man for like... a week and a half." :lol: Takes some of the "zip" off of it.

[BabyTurtles]

Tom Holland.....All I know is that he was a voice in the secret world of Arrietty ....(Hayao Miyazaki film)

though his voice wasn't that unique or excitable XD (he was a sickly boy)

also I don't mind that he looks young, that's how young most teens look. It's a little more realistic...

[MsMarvelDuckie]

It's also gonna be weird because when he did it in the comics, it was a big deal because he'd been Spider-Man for like ten years in comic-time, if you figure he started at 15 and the "present day" usually has him being about 25.

In the movie, it's gonna be like, "My name is Peter Parker, and I've been Spider-Man for like... a week and a half." :lol: Takes some of the "zip" off of it.


I agree. There's no point in him unmasking if he's only been at it for a short time.

Also, in the comics, he was 30 during Civil War. It was fifteen years. Just sayin. (I can give ya' the ish # if ya' want.....)

[BabyTurtles]

I agree. There's no point in him unmasking if he's only been at it for a short time.

Also, in the comics, he was 30 during Civil War. It was fifteen years. Just sayin. (I can give ya' the ish # if ya' want.....)

well Peter was unmasked at 16 in the Ultimate comics....then again he also died XD....

[Amaranthus]

Boooooo. Kid looks like he's 10 years old. :lol: Ah well. Could still be good. But yeah, he's not a good look. Let's hope he keeps the mask on. :lol:

Flash should call him Babyface Parker.

[Raph's Girl]

Marissa Tomei has reportadly been cast as Aunt May!

http://comicbook.com/2015/07/08/marissa-tomei-cast-as-aunt-may-in-marvels-spider-man-movie/

[TurtleTitan97]

Marissa Tomei has reportadly been cast as Aunt May!

http://comicbook.com/2015/07/08/marissa-tomei-cast-as-aunt-may-in-marvels-spider-man-movie/

Is it wrong that I'm okay with Aunt May looking attractive?

[Amaranthus]

Is it wrong that I'm okay with Aunt May looking attractive?

I'm okay with that, and I am not okay with that.

[Redeemer]

Marissa Tomei has reportadly been cast as Aunt May!

http://comicbook.com/2015/07/08/marissa-tomei-cast-as-aunt-may-in-marvels-spider-man-movie/

Wow casting a young aunt may probably means we will get a ultimate spider-man universe. Peter will probably be a freshmen in high school.

[TigerClaw]

Marissa Tomei is a good actor too, So it'll be interesting to see what a young Aunt May would be like.

[ToTheNines]

I can't speak to how old she'll be portrayed as in the movie, but Tomei will be 51 at the time of filming.

That's not ridiculously young or anything.

[MikeandRaph87]

Here is a rumored cast list that is cliamed to be in talking stages for the various roles. We get Scorpion and Vulture as possibly the next villains to face Soider-Man onscreen. Did not want Biggs near TMNT nor Spider-Man either. I do like the potential list of characters involved. Remember its not official.

https://games.yahoo.com/news/cast-list-spider-man-reboot-144200012.html

[Amaranthus]

Here is a rumored cast list that is cliamed to be in talking stages for the various roles. We get Scorpion and Vulture as possibly the next villains to face Soider-Man onscreen. Did not want Biggs near TMNT nor Spider-Man either. I do like the potential list of characters involved. Remember its not official.

https://games.yahoo.com/news/cast-list-spider-man-reboot-144200012.html

J.K. Simmons as J. Jonah Jameson or gtfo.

[ZariusTwo]

The Idris Elba listings crack me up:lol:

[Bry]

The Idris Elba listings crack me up:lol:

No lie, I'd watch the hell out of that movie. :lol:

[Commenter 42]

Billy Zane? Seems Legit.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

No lie, I'd watch the hell out of that movie. :lol:

You and me both. :teek:

[MikeandRaph87]

While the casting choices for that last rumor that is sure to be false I did like the set of characters. The latest rumor has Kraven The Hunter set to be the villain of the next Spider-Man film. That is discouraging for me considering he is my least favorite of the rouges gallery. However, some of you all may be fans. He was said to be the villain desired to be used in the Amazing Spider-Man 3 before Sony went in another direction.
http://screenrant.com/spider-man-2017-reboot-kraven-hunter/

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'm not even a Spiderman fan. So for me, Captain America 3: Civil War has to do such an incredible job of selling Peter Parker to me that I actually want to go see Spiderman in another year.

So far, Marvel has sold me on: a narcissistic billionaire inventor, a WWII super soldier, a big green Dr Jekkyl/Mister Hyde, a trisyllable-speaking tree, a talking badass raccoon, and a guy who shrinks and talks to ants.

But space Vikings are still anathema in my book.

[MikeandRaph87]

Captain America vs Iron Man potential teams.

http://nerdreactor.com/2015/08/07/captain-america-civil-war-team-iron-man-and-team-captain-america-rosters-revealed/
Could Spider-Man be a double agent?

[Bry]

This is the best way this works to me:

Peter Parker is a naive teenage science nerd who just recently got super-powers by accident and has learned that with great power comes great responsibility... He naturally idolizes Tony Stark, being a rich-and-famous scientist-inventor who's owned up to his own personal sins (to a point), and bursts onto the scene to sign on with his "side"... only to learn an important lesson when it all goes horribly wrong.

Bonus points if they actively echo the ASM #1 issue where Spidey tried to "audition" for the Fantastic Four by breaking into their HQ, except with the Avengers.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

So what do you Spidey fans think? Excited, disappointed, wait and see?


Um, wait and see, I guess.


Definitely wait and see, since I'm not all to well familiar with either of them. Hope Holland does well in the role.


Ditto.


Marissa Tomei has reportadly been cast as Aunt May!

http://comicbook.com/2015/07/08/marissa-tomei-cast-as-aunt-may-in-marvels-spider-man-movie/


Oh, gawds- shoot me. Shoot me now. Can't STAND that ditz!


Marissa Tomei is a good actor too, So it'll be interesting to see what a young Aunt May would be like.


GOOD??!! Ugh, please, no. She's as ditzy and annoying IRL as she was in My Cousin Vinny.


J.K. Simmons as J. Jonah Jameson or gtfo.


Hells to the yeah!


No lie, I'd watch the hell out of that movie. :lol:


Mmm, me too. HIM, I like.


Billy Zane? Seems Legit.


This, too! (That reminds me, one of these days I need to replace my lost/stolen copy of The Phantom....)

[JakeSully]

Vulture and Scorpion would be awesome.

[MikeandRaph87]

Spider-Man's webbing spoiler.

http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/rumor-source-of-spider-mans-web-shooters-uncovered-in-civil-war-spoiler-303

[CyberCubed]

I don't see why they can't have him as a full fledged Spiderman right off the bat. People already complained that the last reboot was "too soon" and they didn't want to sit through a Spiderman origin story again with the Amazing Spiderman movie. And now they're going to more or less due a reboot again with another origin?

Why can't they just have this new Spiderman as already established so we don't have to get into the origin again, and without Iron Man giving him his web slingers and costumes?

DC got it right with the new Batman already being established and being an older Batman despite it being our first introduction to this new unvierses' Batman. Origin stories can get boring.

[chrisdude]

I think they kind of have enough old jaded superheroes. They want Spidey to be the young, wide-eyed kid.

This particular change, I don't understand. Peter's supposed to be intelligent. And in a universe where Tony can do what he can do, I don't see why a teenage Peter Parker can't do this.

And I'm still not sold on Old Man Batman.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I think they kind of have enough old jaded superheroes. They want Spidey to be the young, wide-eyed kid.

This particular change, I don't understand. Peter's supposed to be intelligent. And in a universe where Tony can do what he can do, I don't see why a teenage Peter Parker can't do this.

And I'm still not sold on Old Man Batman.

Doesn't have the tech maybe.

[CyberCubed]

I think they kind of have enough old jaded superheroes. They want Spidey to be the young, wide-eyed kid.

This particular change, I don't understand. Peter's supposed to be intelligent. And in a universe where Tony can do what he can do, I don't see why a teenage Peter Parker can't do this.

And I'm still not sold on Old Man Batman.

Spidey doesn't have to be old...maybe College aged like Peter was in Spiderman 2 and 3?

I mean what's their obsession showing Spiderman start out over and over again? This is going to be the third time we see "beginning Spidey."

[chrisdude]

I'm ready for grown up Spider-Man, too. But I can't blame Marvel for wanting to do what they're doing. Honestly, if they want to throw a goofy kid into the mix, I think Nova would be a good choice.

[NinjaPug]

Zendaya Joins Tom Holland in Spider-Man Reboot

Holland will star as the web-slinger in the Sony and Marvel film.
Zendaya will join Tom Holland in Sony and Marvel's Spider-Man reboot.

Holland is starring as Peter Parker in Sony's new take on the webslinger. Zendaya's role is currently being kept under wraps, but sources say it is not a lead role. Marisa Tomei is attached to play Aunt May.

Jon Watts is directing the currently untitled Spider-Man reboot from Marvel and Sony. Kevin Feige and Amy Pascal are producing the film, which focuses on a teenage Parker.

Zendaya is known for starring on Disney Channel's Shake It Up, and also appeared on the 16th season of Dancing With the Stars. She currently stars on Disney Channel's K.C. Undercover. She’s repped by CAA and Monster Talent Management

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/zendaya-joins-spider-man-reboot-873156?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+THRComicCon+%28The+Hollywood+ Reporter+-+Heat+Vision%29

[ZariusTwo]

Zendaya, a singer/actress, has been cast in the movie as a character called Michelle (no idea yet if she is a love interest or if she will play Michelle Gonzales, a character from the wretched BND era of the comics)

http://deadline.com/2016/03/zendaya-spider-man-tom-holland-marvel-sony-1201715599/

[Spike Spiegel]

I think they kind of have enough old jaded superheroes. They want Spidey to be the young, wide-eyed kid.


Sort of like Kitty Pryde in the 1980s X-Men comics? Maybe he tries to compare himself to characters like Captain America and feels he has a lot to live up to.

Looking at that potential cast list, Marisa Tomei looks a little young to be Aunt May--unless they mean to emulate the "Ultimate" comics. As much as I liked J.K. Simmons, I do think Hugh Laurie would also make for a good J.J.

[ZariusTwo]

The 2017 Spidey movie may be going by the name "Homecoming"

http://comicbook.com/2016/04/04/marvels-spider-man-reboot-title-possibly-revealed/

[NinjaPug]

This was assumed but Feige confirming that MCU characters will show up in the Sony standalone Spidey movie(s).

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/04/08/marvel-characters-spider-man-movie

[CyberCubed]

I'm a bit mixed on that, I'd rather Spiderman's movies focus solely on him and his villains and supporting cast rather than throwing Avengers in them.

[Andrew NDB]

The 2017 Spidey movie may be going by the name "Homecoming"

http://comicbook.com/2016/04/04/marvels-spider-man-reboot-title-possibly-revealed/

I'd bet the farm they're not going to call it that.

[ZariusTwo]

I'm a bit mixed on that, I'd rather Spiderman's movies focus solely on him and his villains and supporting cast rather than throwing Avengers in them.

Spot on. If it's a bit like Marvel Team-Up, I'm more for that, but don't make Peter an Avenger. He should never have become one in the comics ten years ago. One thing I love about the newspaper strip and Spider-Girl canons is they never ever went that route

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Really? Why do you feel that way? After so many years of working alone and having little support or recognition from other heroes, not to mention the number of times he TRIED to join, I was glad to see him finally vindicated on that count.

[ZariusTwo]

Really? Why do you feel that way?

Because it goes against his everyman appeal, same with him running a business. It's not what drew me to the character.

Just a personal preference. Spidey was "the hero that could be you", someone who could attain the same things you could. Now he does all kinds of things that are beyond my reach.

Make him an Avenger right out of the gate, and I'm done with whatever Sony or Marvel have planned for him. He's not Spider-Man anymore. He's a commercial.

[Commenter 42]

Because it goes against his everyman appeal, same with him running a business. It's not what drew me to the character.

Just a personal preference. Spidey was "the hero that could be you", someone who could attain the same things you could. Now he does all kinds of things that are beyond my reach.

Make him an Avenger right out of the gate, and I'm done with whatever Sony or Marvel have planned for him. He's not Spider-Man anymore. He's a commercial.

I don't agree with "could be you" more like, could be you if you were a straight A student , with a high very I.Q.

But yeah, the "life is hard on Peter" aspect, his fallible humanity, is absolutely essential to the character.

If anything, I think they might play up that Stark is using him, more than including him on the team.

As for the comics, with Peter as the head of his own company...it feels wrong.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

While I agree in part, I don't think making him an Avenger after DECADES of getting ignored or treated as second-class or even as a menace on occasion is at all against his character. In fact, it validates it. He's the guy who isn't rich or well-connected, but through hard work, perseverance, and using his brain, he finally makes good at least in that respect. He's still always struggling with the rest of his life, but being an Avenger gives him a sense of pride and satisfaction that he sorely needs at this point in his life. He is finally being taken seriously and respected by his "peers" and given the same consideration as any of them. That's a pretty big deal for a guy who's never had that.

On the other hand, I do agree about running his own company. That is not who Peter is or what he is about. That should have never happened.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

I hope Punisher is in the film.

[Commenter 42]

While I agree in part, I don't think making him an Avenger after DECADES of getting ignored or treated as second-class or even as a menace on occasion is at all against his character. In fact, it validates it. He's the guy who isn't rich or well-connected, but through hard work, perseverance, and using his brain, he finally makes good at least in that respect. He's still always struggling with the rest of his life, but being an Avenger gives him a sense of pride and satisfaction that he sorely needs at this point in his life. He is finally being taken seriously and respected by his "peers" and given the same consideration as any of them. That's a pretty big deal for a guy who's never had that.

On the other hand, I do agree about running his own company. That is not who Peter is or what he is about. That should have never happened.

Sure, but it kills the drama, unless being an Avenger is more trouble than it's worth.

Nobody likes a happy Spidey.

[Commenter 42]

I hope Punisher is in the film.

If they include him, they really should use Jon Bernthal.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

If they include him, they really should use Jon Bernthal.

Of course they should. Holland and Bernthal did their training together, there's no way they'd settle for a different actor playing the Punisher.

[Commenter 42]

Of course they should. Holland and Bernthal did their training together, there's no way they'd settle for a different actor playing the Punisher.

There's that old small screen vs big screen thinking...like Snyder and Grant Gustin...

[TurtleTitan97]

There's that old small screen vs big screen thinking...like Snyder and Grant Gustin...

That article made me somewhat mad when I first read it.

I'm okay Gustin not being the DCEU Flash, but I still think Ezra Miller is the wrong guy to play Barry Allen. We'll see.

[Commenter 42]

That article made me somewhat mad when I first read it.

I'm okay Gustin not being the DCEU Flash, but I still think Ezra Miller is the wrong guy to play Barry Allen. We'll see.

Agree 100%, part of me thinks Gustin could improve with better writing/direction, but he's far from my ideal Flash.

Ezra Miller is obnoxious af. As with all of Snyders cast, it's their worst characteristics he chooses to amplify.

F*cking annoying. Hate this guy.

[ZariusTwo]

Nobody likes a happy Spidey.

Plenty of people do. Why else do you think Renew Your Vows was considered the best thing to come out of the line last year?

[Commenter 42]

Plenty of people do. Why else do you think Renew Your Vows was considered the best thing to come out of the line last year?

https://i.warosu.org/data/sci/img/0079/80/1459862833252.png
https://imgflip.com/readImage?iid=14165508

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Sure, but it kills the drama, unless being an Avenger is more trouble than it's worth.

Nobody likes a happy Spidey.

This IS the Avengers we are talking about! Considering that in their first mission after he joined they all ended up in the Savage Land naked and captured by Sauron, yeah, I'd say it is. And then later Wolverine kept hitting on M-J right in front of him and implying he wasn't enough man for her, and Peter ended up punching him out a twenty-fifth story shatter-proof window in Stark Tower. No drama? I think his drama quotient was MORE than being met!

And I like a happy Spidey better than a constantly emo angsty one.

[NinjaPug]

Good to read that Marvel/Feige have creative control over Spider-Man and not Sony/Rothman.

"We’re working very much [together]. It is a— I don’t know exactly what the credits will be, but it is a Sony Pictures production of a Marvel Studios film. The agreement was that it is very much a Sony Pictures movie. Amy Pascal is co-producing it with us and [Sony Chairman] Tom Rothman is leading the charge for Sony and that we are the creative producers. We are the ones hiring the actor, introducing him in this film, and then working right now on the script and soon to be shooting the actual Spidey film."

http://collider.com/spider-man-reboot-marvel-sony-kevin-feige/

[NinjaPug]

Looks like Vulture is going to be in the new movie.

http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/04/12/vulture-will-appear-in-spider-man-homecoming

[TurtleTitan97]

Looks like Vulture is going to be in the new movie.

http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/04/12/vulture-will-appear-in-spider-man-homecoming

Awesome. One of my favorite classic Spidey baddies. Hope they do him justice.

[drgon78]

I hope they do him justice as well. He is one of few Spidey villains left that I do like that they haven't used.

[Foombamaroom]

Good to read that Marvel/Feige have creative control over Spider-Man and not Sony/Rothman.



http://collider.com/spider-man-reboot-marvel-sony-kevin-feige/

Marvel: Sony, shut up and do what you're told.
Sony: Yes, daddy.

[NinjaPug]

“@Deadline: ‘Spider-Man’ 2017 Movie Now Known As ‘Spider-Man: Homecoming’ http://deadline.com/2016/04/spider-man-homecoming-sony-cinemacon-presentation-1201736748/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter”

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cf5V_B6W8AAFqn3.jpg

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Not the title I would have chosen, but I can live with it.

[ZariusTwo]

I like it. It's different and very down-to-earth

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Yeah, not really digging the title for his first movie in the MCU but I'm hoping this will be better than any of Sony's efforts.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Yeah, I still think the title is crap.

But hey, I'll still see it.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

It is, in a real-world sense, a homecoming, since the film rights to the character are back with the company they belong to.

Now if only Fox would turn over the rights to the FF...

[Baxter Stockmen]

Correct me if I'm wrong. But doesn't Sony still own the rights, they are just allowing Marvel to make this movie?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Correct me if I'm wrong. But doesn't Sony still own the rights, they are just allowing Marvel to make this movie?

Yeah, Sony still is holding at least one of the reins... Marvel has the other... it could be ugly.

[Candy Kappa]

Shared custody. :P

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Sony's only there for the paycheck.

[ToTheNines]

Hm, I wonder what Sony's financial take is from letting Spidey be in Civil War.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Hm, I wonder what Sony's financial take is from letting Spidey be in Civil War.

I dunno, good question!

Spidey's in the movie 30 minutes apparently; the movie is 2.5 hours long. So, 20%?

[sdp]

Homecoming is an obvious reference that he's back with Marvel even if not fully, I don't see how the title is bad. Spectacular wasn't going to work since the past reboot was already "The Amazing" which is similar enough.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Spectacular wasn't going to work since the past reboot was already "The Amazing" which is similar enough.

Plus, the film can't possibly hope to be any better than The Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Homecoming is an obvious reference that he's back with Marvel even if not fully, I don't see how the title is bad. Spectacular wasn't going to work since the past reboot was already "The Amazing" which is similar enough.

It's a neat marketing gimmick but until they show us otherwise, it seems extremely pointed and not necessarily applicable to the actual movie's content.

"Spectacular Spiderman" is a much better choice, because it lends itself to a brand image better.

We've had Spiderman 1, 2, 3, and Amazing Spiderman 1, 2... Spiderman Homecoming just sounds weird.

[NinjaPug]

Michael Keaton in talks to play the villain

http://variety.com/2016/film/news/michael-keaton-spider-man-villain-homecoming-2-1201752759/

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Michael Keaton in talks to play the villain

http://variety.com/2016/film/news/michael-keaton-spider-man-villain-homecoming-2-1201752759/

Why? Because he already played Birdman? :trazz:

[TigerClaw]

Michael Keaton in talks to play the villain

http://variety.com/2016/film/news/michael-keaton-spider-man-villain-homecoming-2-1201752759/
I heard that the Vulture might be the villain, so it'll be interesting to see his take on that.

[raph27]

I heard that the Vulture might be the villain, so it'll be interesting to see his take on that.

Michael Keaton as the Vulture sounds fantastic. And I like the idea of using a Spidey villain not used in any of the past ones.

[NinjaPug]

Spider-Man: Homecoming’ Casts Laura Harrier From ‘One Life to Live’ (Exclusive)

http://www.thewrap.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/LauraHarrier.jpg

“One Life to Live” star Laura Harrier has landed a significant role in Sony and Marvel’s “Spider-Man: Homecoming,” TheWrap has exclusively learned.
Jon Watts (“Cop Car”) is directing the new “Spider-Man,” which will star Tom Holland as the webslinger and Marisa Tomei as his Aunt May. Zendaya will co-star as a mysterious character named Michelle, while Michael Keaton is in talks to play a villain.

Representatives for Sony and Marvel declined to comment.

Also Read: Michael Keaton in Talks to Play Villain in 'Spider-Man: Homecoming'
The new “Spider-Man” movie was written by John Francis Daley and Jonathan Goldstein and will focus on Peter Parker’s high school days. The writers are believed to have infused the superhero film with the spirit of John Hughes‘ classic high school movies.

Marvel’s Kevin Feige and Amy Pascal are producing “Spider-Man: Homecoming,” which will swing into theaters on July 7, 2017. The character will first be introduced to audiences via a rousing appearance in “Captain America: Civil War.”

Best known for playing Destiny Evans on the long-running soap “One Life to Live,” Harrier has previously appeared in the Anna Kendrick musical “The Last 5 Years” and the indie comedy “4th Man Out.” The model-turned-actress recently filmed Steve McQueen‘s HBO drama pilot “Codes of Conduct.”

Harrier is represented by ICM Partners, Soffer/Namoff Entertainment and Peikoff Mahan Law Office.

http://www.thewrap.com/spider-man-homecoming-casts-laura-harrier-from-one-life-to-live-exclusive/

[ToTheNines]

Also the Lobby Boy from Grand Budapest Hotel lol, he's really funny.

http://comicbook.com/marvel/amp/2016/04/15/spider-man-homecoming-adds-laura-harrier-tony-revolori-to-its-ca/

Other than Tomei, the female cast is worrisome so far. I'm not familiar with their work, but a Disney Channel pop star kid and a day time soap actress? Ehhhh

[NinjaPug]

RDJ has signed on for the movie now.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/robert-downey-jr-joins-spider-885829

[ZariusTwo]

At this rate, just call all these movies "Marvel Team-Up"

They must be really f*cking worried Spidey can't be a draw on his own anymore to warrant this.

[CyberCubed]

How much did RDJ ask for this time?

[NinjaPug]

At this rate, just call all these movies "Marvel Team-Up"

They must be really f*cking worried Spidey can't be a draw on his own anymore to warrant this.

After seeing Civil War I completely understand having Stark be in this movie. I just hope it's not in a big role and that it also doesn't require him to be in the Iron Man suit.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

After seeing Civil War I completely understand having Stark be in this movie. I just hope it's not in a big role and that it also doesn't require him to be in the Iron Man suit.

I'd assume it's more in a mentor/student role and providing some tech. That and playing the "Agent Coulson / Nick Fury" of the Spiderman movie.

At this rate, just call all these movies "Marvel Team-Up"

They must be really f*cking worried Spidey can't be a draw on his own anymore to warrant this.

Considering how publicly Spiderman has previously crashed and burned, when he hasn't been met with "eh", can you really blame them?

[NinjaPug]

According to this report, Michael Keaton has turned the villain role down. That sucks - I thought he would've been a great Toomes if the Vulture rumors were correct.

http://deadline.com/2016/04/spider-man-michael-keaton-out-iron-man-robert-downey-jr-1201741663/

[ToTheNines]

At this rate, just call all these movies "Marvel Team-Up"

They must be really f*cking worried Spidey can't be a draw on his own anymore to warrant this.

Well everyone bitched that phase two didn't have more heroes showing up in each other's movies. Wouldn't be surprised if Cap or someone shows up in Black Panther, or Rhodes is in Captain Marvel, etc.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Honestly I don't think I want a character undeserving of sympathy like Vulture. Spider-Man has run into a lot of enemies over the years who aren't necessarily bad guys - they just have had bad luck, just like Parker.

The MCU is full of heartless villains; I want to see another Loki-like antagonist who the audience is supposed to support, in a way.

[ToTheNines]

Eh, the past 5 Spider-Man movies all beat that drum pretty hard, in some cases to the point of cheesiness. I'm ready for a dirty dealing crap sack like Vulture or Kraven.

[NinjaPug]

Seriously. I don't want another sympathetic villain in a Spidey movie. That's all we've gotten so far.

[Spike Spiegel]

Eh, the past 5 Spider-Man movies all beat that drum pretty hard, in some cases to the point of cheesiness. I'm ready for a dirty dealing crap sack like Vulture or Kraven.

A fella can only dream about seeing "Kraven's Last Hunt" adapted someday.

[MikeandRaph87]

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/spider-man-reboot-loses-one-182542439.html

Keaton declined. Who would he play?

[ZariusTwo]

The more I hear about this, the less likely I'm going to even like this movie. It's obvious they're going the New Avenger/Ultimate Spidey cartoon route with the character I've long despised where, instead of existing outside the fringes of the superhero community, he's embraced fully by it. It's a vision that led the character to ruin from 2006 onwards. There's going to be a whole generation of idiot kids who think this is how Spider-Man should always be.

I'm pretty glad Marvel wrapped up the story of MY Spider-Man with the Spider-Girl series, where none of this s*it ever happened to him, and he lived a perfect everyman life well into his retirement years.(And no, whatever happened in Spider-Verse did'nt count either according to Spider-Girl's creators, in fact, their one story for the event goes and points that out explicitly)

[Foombamaroom]

The more I hear about this, the less likely I'm going to even like this movie. It's obvious they're going the New Avenger/Ultimate Spidey cartoon route with the character I've long despised where, instead of existing outside the fringes of the superhero community, he's embraced fully by it. It's a vision that led the character to ruin from 2006 onwards. There's going to be a whole generation of idiot kids who think this is how Spider-Man should always be.

Dude, calm down. We have no idea how big Robert Downey Jr.'s part is. It could be as simple as a mentoring type thing, or it could be a rival to Oscorp.

Marvel's proven time and time again that they know what they're doing. It's time to sit back and let them do their jobs.

Jeez, this is part of the reason I never get on the 'Drome anymore. Everyone's so pessimistic towards everything.

[TurtleTitan97]

Tony is probably gonna play the same role that Nick Fury did for Peter in the Ultimate Spider-Man comics. I'd be okay with that.

[TigerClaw]

I'm sure Tony Stark will have a hand in creating Spider-Man's suit.

[Foombamaroom]

I'm sure Tony Stark will have a hand in creating Spider-Man's suit.

You're on the right track, pal, just not for this movie.

Spider-Man's suit in Civil War is really homemade, but the one that we saw in the trailer is the one Tony made for him.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Dude, calm down. We have no idea how big Robert Downey Jr.'s part is. It could be as simple as a mentoring type thing, or it could be a rival to Oscorp.

Marvel's proven time and time again that they know what they're doing. It's time to sit back and let them do their jobs.

Jeez, this is part of the reason I never get on the 'Drome anymore. Everyone's so pessimistic towards everything.

Well, not every time. <cough> Thor 1 and 2 <cough> Iron Man 3 <cough>

But yeah, I trust them. It's making me as a guy who hates Spiderman want to see Spiderman.

[Redeemer]

The more I hear about this, the less likely I'm going to even like this movie. It's obvious they're going the New Avenger/Ultimate Spidey cartoon route with the character I've long despised where, instead of existing outside the fringes of the superhero community, he's embraced fully by it. It's a vision that led the character to ruin from 2006 onwards. There's going to be a whole generation of idiot kids who think this is how Spider-Man should always be.

I'm pretty glad Marvel wrapped up the story of MY Spider-Man with the Spider-Girl series, where none of this s*it ever happened to him, and he lived a perfect everyman life well into his retirement years.(And no, whatever happened in Spider-Verse did'nt count either according to Spider-Girl's creators, in fact, their one story for the event goes and points that out explicitly)

They might be going the "Ultimate Spider-Man" Comic route where spiderman sees Tony Stark as a Mentor.

[AT-Man]

Ya'll need a big bowl of Booty-O's!

[NinjaPug]

Including his cameo in The Incredible Hulk, RDJ will have played Stark in 10 movies by the end of Phase 3 of the MCU.

There is speculation that Keaton turned the movie down because Sony couldn't meet his price after paying RDJ.

[ZariusTwo]

Marvel's proven time and time again that they know what they're doing

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Marvel movies get s*it wrong virtually every time, and they're unfortunately rewarded with it because Marvel fans are easily pleased little lambs who flock to everything if it looks pretty. Their villains are never credible threats, their plots are mediocre, they put creative restrictions on their directors and drive most of them away, they could'nt give their go-to guy Downey a decent enough trilogy of his own. The only movies they've ever done right have been the Cap films, and even the first one was pretty average. Incredible Hulk is decent too...up until the last act anyway.

It's making me as a guy who hates Spiderman want to see Spiderman.

Which right there is the problem. When you start tailoring the character more for people who don't "get" or truly appreciate Spider-Man, you're not doing him justice for any of his actual fans. Just the same as TMNT movies now are'nt catering to people who "get" or appreciate the Turtles in their original format (although I don't mind Out of the Shadows much because I grew up on the 80's toon)

[NinjaPug]

Which right there is the problem. When you start tailoring the character more for people who don't "get" or truly appreciate Spider-Man, you're not doing him justice for any of his actual fans. Just the same as TMNT movies now are'nt catering to people who "get" or appreciate the Turtles in their original format (although I don't mind Out of the Shadows much because I grew up on the 80's toon)


They did Spider-Man and Peter Parker justice in the short time he's in Civil War. It's about time someone got both characters right. Hope that carries over to his solo film.

[MikeandRaph87]

They did Spider-Man and Peter Parker justice in the short time he's in Civil War. It's about time someone got both characters right. Hope that carries over to his solo film.

Can I assume you saw an advanced screening? The only spoiler I am looking for is how much screen time will Spider-Man/Peter Parker get?

[Krutch]

Marvel movies get s*it wrong virtually every time, and they're unfortunately rewarded with it because Marvel fans are easily pleased little lambs who flock to everything if it looks pretty.Y'know, I'm getting annoyed with this statement being tossed around as liberally as it is. It's insulting to anyone who likes the movies. Can't people just walk out of Ant-Man and go "Yeah, that was pretty fun" without being called "easily pleased little lambs" anymore?

I'm a DC guy, through and through. I stopped reading Marvel just after the Maximum Carnage (I think it was around Venom: Separation Anxiety). So make no mistake, I have no blind spot for Marvel movies. But I find that they're consistently fun movies. Whats so wrong about that?

Their villains are never credible threats
Based on the general feedback, it seems all the "easily pleased sheep" you speak of agree that all the villains are one dimensional and flat. If they were easily pleased, shouldn't they be loving all the villains?

their plots are mediocreSome are, yup. (Ant-Man being the biggest offender.) But I wouldn't say all of them.

they put creative restrictions on their directors and drive most of them away.This is also true, but all studios put restrictions on their directors. And I don't remember the Marvel sheep screaming "good riddance!" to Edgar Wright or Joss Whedon upon their departure. Also, "most"? That's two. You forget Favreau left on his own accord.

they could'nt give their go-to guy Downey a decent enough trilogy of his own.Also something Marvel fans agree on. Say... you're not a sheep too, are you?!:roll:

This is my biggest issue with the whole "all marvel fans are sheep" mentality: they all share the same issues with people who actively call them sheep, but still find something to enjoy about the movies.

[NinjaPug]

Can I assume you saw an advanced screening? The only spoiler I am looking for is how much screen time will Spider-Man/Peter Parker get?

I did.

Peter only has a ~ 5 minute scene with Aunt May and primarily Tony Stark. Spider-Man is only involved in the airport fight scene but he's so awesome in it. I'm really excited for his solo film next year after seeing him in CW.

[ZariusTwo]

Y'know, I'm getting annoyed with this statement being tossed around as liberally as it is. It's insulting to anyone who likes the movies. Can't people just walk out of Ant-Man and go "Yeah, that was pretty fun" without being called "easily pleased little lambs" anymore?

Getting annoyed with that is actually healthy, as it means if you don't want to be folded into that crowd, you've got to fight for better qualities and stand up to the machine rather than constantly praise it for playing the same broken record time and again all in the name of "fun" and a "good time", you ought to be striving to think more with these movies. Marvel comics never used to be as brainless as they sadly are now. They had sincerity, they could heal you, they could harm you, they could toy with you emotionally. I have not seen anything like that from most of the movies, even the more compelling ones, because it's all jokes and jabs.

I'm a DC guy

So am I, which is why I was gutted with Dawn of Justice going down the path that it did. DC are making a lot of mistakes at the moment, but I look at their tv shows and some of their comics and it baffles me why Marvel are much more successful. DC's shows are more fun, have more heart and consequence, sure they're too soapy, but it's better than Marvel movies having virtually none of that. Could Spider-Man break the mould? Hopefully so.

And no, just because it's "fun" doesn't mean it's "good". Have a fun time sure, but these movies need to be more than that. Come away with a nuanced and multi-choice dish, not a Happy Meal

Based on the general feedback, it seems all the "easily pleased sheep" you speak of agree that all the villains are one dimensional and flat. If they were easily pleased, shouldn't they be loving all the villains?

Do they do anything about it? Do they raise their voice at cons? No, they applause the latest bit of footage at comic con, post a billion reaction videos on Youtube saying how "awesome" the same thing is, and say "bless you sir, may I have another"

This is my biggest issue with the whole "all marvel fans are sheep" mentality: they all share the same issues with people who actively call them sheep, but still find something to enjoy about the movies.

They do nothing about it and reward mediocrity every single time. They may say something later, but that's only after they've bought a ticket.

Play New Kids albums backwards, they sound better[/Bill Hicks]

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Which right there is the problem. When you start tailoring the character more for people who don't "get" or truly appreciate Spider-Man, you're not doing him justice for any of his actual fans. Just the same as TMNT movies now are'nt catering to people who "get" or appreciate the Turtles in their original format (although I don't mind Out of the Shadows much because I grew up on the 80's toon)

You're not seriously going to defend the Raimi trilogy, are you? There's so much cheese in that series I developed high cholesterol just watching the trailers. And the Amazing movies... I couldn't make it through those either.

If I'm going to watch a movie about an awkward high-schooler with superpowers, I'd like the main actor to be believable as an awkward high-schooler. Macguire and Garfield both didn't cut it... whereas in approximately five seconds of footage, Civil War has shown that Spiderman is: a believable teenager. Overawed at his heroes, and yet doing hero things.

Ye gods, the world is backwards when I'm defending Spiderman. This sh!t ain't right.

One last point: I've got serious problems with the MCU myself, and have never shied away from loudly listing my grievances. But if there's one thing they've done well, it's casting and portraying their heroes. (Too bad they couldn't keep Norton, but that's a different kettle of angry fish...)

[TurtleTitan97]

If I'm going to watch a movie about an awkward high-schooler with superpowers, I'd like the main actor to be believable as an awkward high-schooler. Macguire and Garfield both didn't cut it... whereas in approximately five seconds of footage, Civil War has shown that Spiderman is: a believable teenager. Overawed at his heroes, and yet doing hero things.



^This x1000

[ZariusTwo]

You're not seriously going to defend the Raimi trilogy, are you?

Not all of them, no, but something like Spider-Man 2 minus the irritation of Dunst and MacGuire would be nice.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I don't mind Out of the Shadows much because I grew up on the 80's toon

Adding Rocksteady and Bebop, Krang and the Technodrome, and a lighter tone doesn't necessarily make this like the 80s toon, alone. From what it looks to be, it seems like it's going for a sense of humor that seems more forced than last time around.

[CyberCubed]

Spiderman 1 and 2 were critically acclaimed.

[Krutch]

You've got to fight for better qualities and stand up to the machine rather than constantly praise it for playing the same broken record time and again all in the name of "fun" and a "good time", you ought to be striving to think more with these movies.But what if this "broken record" keeps playing exactly what you want out of it to different degrees of success?

They had sincerity, they could heal you, they could harm you, they could toy with you emotionally. I have not seen anything like that from most of the movies, even the more compelling ones, because it's all jokes and jabs. There's a whole lot of heart in the Marvel movies that I think you're purposely ignoring if all you see is jabs and jokes. Would I like to see some advanced storytelling? Sure. But what they're doing isn't bad, either. I think the worst criticism you can give them is they're playing it safe too often, but honestly, take a step back and look at the picture as a whole. There's a ton of moving cogs in play, with plenty more to be introduced in the future. You got political thrillers, heists, space odysseys, magic realms, civil wars...

So am I, which is why I was gutted with Dawn of Justice going down the path that it did. So, you saw it, right? Even though all the trailers shouted at you "this is going to be a big disaster!" you still went and checked it out? Of course you did. Same here. If you slap a Superman logo on something, chances are I'll give it a shot, despite any reservations I may have. Ditto with Marvel fans and their Marvel movies. So, whats the difference?

And no, just because it's "fun" doesn't mean it's "good". Have a fun time sure, but these movies need to be more than that. Come away with a nuanced and multi-choice dish, not a Happy Meal.Superhero movies should be fun. They're bright colourful characters with vibrant personalities who shoot laserbeams and lift mountains. Even the darker characters should have a sense of fun to it without sacrificing their tone. And I'd say each Marvel entry has done a good sense in establishing it's own tone while keeping a unity between them.

Do they do anything about it? Do they raise their voice at cons? No, they applause the latest bit of footage at comic con, post a billion reaction videos on Youtube saying how "awesome" the same thing is, and say "bless you sir, may I have another" They do nothing about it and reward mediocrity every single time.Mediocrity to you, maybe. But maybe this is exactly what people want out of a superhero movie. Fun, action, drama, high stakes, and a good moral lesson at the end. Yes, some movies excel more than others in different ways, but that doesn't mean you still can't enjoy it as a whole. Personally, I thought Thor 2 was a snooze but there was still some cool **** in there that I feel it warrants a watch.

They may say something later, but that's only after they've bought a ticket.Well, yeah. You need to see it to form an opinion. That's how that works.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

^ This 1000%. I agree with you fully Krutch, in how I think a CBM should look, feel, and entertain FIRST, and then maybe if they can make it something meaningful and deep, go for that extra mile. But it's neither necessary, nor even really expected in a movie about guys (and gals!) running around in tights saving the world.

[ZariusTwo]

Mediocrity to you, maybe. But maybe this is exactly what people want out of a superhero movie.

So what you're telling me is you ADMIT people are easily pleased sheep? Good to know. You ought to be doing something about that, but good to know.

Fun, action, drama, high stakes, and a good moral lesson at the end

There's no sense of drama because of the same f*cking jokes, the stakes are non-existent, but hey, there's that all important MORAL right? The one nobody cares about because it's never really emphasised, because, again, due to all the damn f*cking jokes.

Go ahead and settle for mediocrity from your New Kids albums, just know you're the kind that is killing quality in cape movies.

^ This 1000%. I agree with you fully Krutch, in how I think a CBM should look, feel, and entertain FIRST, and then maybe if they can make it something meaningful and deep, go for that extra mile. But it's neither necessary, nor even really expected in a movie about guys (and gals!) running around in tights saving the world.

I'm surprised at you Duckie, considering you've voiced your dislike over the state of comics because they're nothing but trippy quirky tumblr clickbait, you're gonna sell out and say the movies should reflect that?

I don't know, I see people constantly rag on the current TMNT movies for the same things they forgive Marvel for...hypocritical favouritism like that just annoys me.

[Candy Kappa]

Jeez Zarius, you start to sounds like guys that call comics graphic novels to feel better about reading them.

[ZariusTwo]

Jeez Zarius, you start to sounds like guys that call comics graphic novels to feel better about reading them.

I prefer calling them "funnies" nowadays :)

[ToTheNines]

I don't know, I see people constantly rag on the current TMNT movies for the same things they forgive Marvel for...hypocritical favouritism like that just annoys me.

The current tmnt movies are even more disrespectful to their source material than Arrow is...

[Krutch]

So what you're telling me is you ADMIT people are easily pleased sheep? Good to know. You ought to be doing something about that, but good to know.:roll: I think there's a miscommunication here. I've read superhero comics all my life(well, kinda bailed out 5 years ago if we're being honest). What I'm seeing on screen is a very good representation of what are inside superhero comics. I'm not sure what the hell you're looking for in these movies, to be honest. It's like if they crack a couple jokes for levity suddenly the whole movie is cheapened or dumbed down to you. Not sure what to tell you, man. Not all stories are The Killing Joke or Watchmen. The vast, vast majority of cape and cowl comics are right in line with what you're seeing on screen.

There's no sense of drama because of the same f*cking jokes, the stakes are non-existent, but hey, there's that all important MORAL right? The one nobody cares about because it's never really emphasised, because, again, due to all the damn f*cking jokes.
You're seriously butchering your own case here when you say things like this.

No stakes?

So when The Avengers have to put aside their differences to stop an incoming alien invasion from destroying the world, there's no stakes?
When Captain America discovers the organization he's pledged allegiance to has been infected by a shadowy group from his past, while also learning that his best friend growing up is still alive and is now working for said shadowy group, there's no stakes?
When Ant-Man has to save his daughter from a man whose hellbent on selling powerful technology to an organization intent on enslaving the world there's no stakes?
When the GotG were trying to keep a gem that would given someone literally unlimited power and could wipe out galaxies... there's no stakes?
When a Civil War is the aftermath of all that came before and heroes being forced to choose sides and fight best friends to stand by their beliefs... theres no stakes?

Y'know, better yet, give me some movies that have real stakes in your eyes.

Go ahead and settle for mediocrity from your New Kids albums, just know you're the kind that is killing quality in cape movies.
Thats twice you've brought up New Kids on the Block albums. Ooookayyy...?

^ This 1000%. I agree with you fully Krutch, in how I think a CBM should look, feel, and entertain FIRST, and then maybe if they can make it something meaningful and deep, go for that extra mile. But it's neither necessary, nor even really expected in a movie about guys (and gals!) running around in tights saving the world.Thanks :) I mean I love sophisticated storytelling, and if you can pull it off, shoot for the sky! But one glance over at BvS trying too hard and taking itself too seriously, you realize they need to maintain a sense of fun and wonder. Batman Begins and Dark Knight are smart, fun movies while still being dark, and even thats a bit of a cop out answer since it's so immensely grounded in reality that Nolan has gone on record saying Superman could never exist in that universe.

Personally, I think all it takes is one or two movies taking themselves far too seriously and failing at it to put an end to all the superhero movies. I have a feeling Marvel knows this and is why they're sticking to formula. Like I said, you can knock them for playing it safe, but thats about it.

Jeez Zarius, you start to sounds like guys that call comics graphic novels to feel better about reading them.:lol: Well said.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

So what you're telling me is you ADMIT people are easily pleased sheep? Good to know. You ought to be doing something about that, but good to know.


There's no sense of drama because of the same f*cking jokes, the stakes are non-existent, but hey, there's that all important MORAL right? The one nobody cares about because it's never really emphasised, because, again, due to all the damn f*cking jokes.

Go ahead and settle for mediocrity from your New Kids albums, just know you're the kind that is killing quality in cape movies.


I'm surprised at you Duckie, considering you've voiced your dislike over the state of comics because they're nothing but trippy quirky tumblr clickbait, you're gonna sell out and say the movies should reflect that?

I don't know, I see people constantly rag on the current TMNT movies for the same things they forgive Marvel for...hypocritical favouritism like that just annoys me.


I've voiced my dislike for the state of Marvel NOW (and for about the past 7 years or so). But what we're seeing in the movies is far more in line with how they were pre-Dark Avengers/BND. The era I actually LIKE. The current crop of Marvel titles are utter garbage (at least the ones I've read), but the movies are using storylines from the past, all of which are now considered iconic stories- Civil War (like it or hate it, it's a major part of the Marvel history now), Infinity Gauntlet- which is what ALL of this has built up to so far- even Raimi's Spidey did it with the Spider-Man No More plot in 2. We've had Capsicle, Ultron (and I actually kind of liked him, with his Pinocchio-like "daddy" issues) and some really great character moments from Widow, Banner, Hawkeye, Stark, Rhodey, and even Thor. There's a lot there to like, if you're not being snobbishly critical about these films. (Not meaning you, per se, but let's be honest here, these are NOT meant to be "perfect" adaptations of those stories. They are simply a loose, fun take intended to be enjoyed by fans and non-fans alike.) As slavishly faithful adaptations of the source material, they may "suck", but as crowd-pleasing, fun takes on that same material, they are GREAT!!

This is a FAR cry from what's been done with PDMNT. Those are just all over the place in terms of what they TRIED to shove in to pretend they know what fans wanted, without any consistency or rationale behind it, or even a story that makes sense. MOST of the MCU has been MILES above that in terms of storytelling, even if the stories are fairly simple and formulaic- which, to be brutally honest, is the kind of stories MOST comics tell!


:roll: I think there's a miscommunication here. I've read superhero comics all my life(well, kinda bailed out 5 years ago if we're being honest). What I'm seeing on screen is a very good representation of what are inside superhero comics. I'm not sure what the hell you're looking for in these movies, to be honest. It's like if they crack a couple jokes for levity suddenly the whole movie is cheapened or dumbed down to you. Not sure what to tell you, man. Not all stories are The Killing Joke or Watchmen. The vast, vast majority of cape and cowl comics are right in line with what you're seeing on screen.

You're seriously butchering your own case here when you say things like this.

No stakes?

So when The Avengers have to put aside their differences to stop an incoming alien invasion from destroying the world, there's no stakes?
When Captain America discovers the organization he's pledged allegiance to has been infected by a shadowy group from his past, while also learning that his best friend growing up is still alive and is now working for said shadowy group, there's no stakes?
When Ant-Man has to save his daughter from a man whose hellbent on selling powerful technology to an organization intent on enslaving the world there's no stakes?
When the GotG were trying to keep a gem that would given someone literally unlimited power and could wipe out galaxies... there's no stakes?
When a Civil War is the aftermath of all that came before and heroes being forced to choose sides and fight best friends to stand by their beliefs... theres no stakes?

Y'know, better yet, give me some movies that have real stakes in your eyes.

Thats twice you've brought up New Kids on the Block albums. Ooookayyy...?

Thanks :) I mean I love sophisticated storytelling, and if you can pull it off, shoot for the sky! But one glance over at BvS trying too hard and taking itself too seriously, you realize they need to maintain a sense of fun and wonder. Batman Begins and Dark Knight are smart, fun movies while still being dark, and even thats a bit of a cop out answer since it's so immensely grounded in reality that Nolan has gone on record saying Superman could never exist in that universe.

Personally, I think all it takes is one or two movies taking themselves far too seriously and failing at it to put an end to all the superhero movies. I have a feeling Marvel knows this and is why they're sticking to formula. Like I said, you can knock them for playing it safe, but thats about it.

:lol: Well said.


Again, 1000% agreed to all of this. I'd LOVE to see a kick-butt take on the DCU, but sadly, this current slate of DCCU movies doesn't look like it will deliver that. They are too preachy, too grim-dark for the sake of being "gritty" and serious, and just feel too much like they want to do Shakespeare when they are only adapting Jack Kirby, Mark Miller, and Alan Moore. Or whomever else they are pulling from. Now, MAYBE if they ever get Strazynski or Peter David mixed in there, they might actually have some fun, great movies, but I don't see that happening any time soon. Just because the film has a few one-liners doesn't mean it can't still be serious and have impact, but when even the titular main character (who is known for optimism, fairness, compassion, and a sense of justice and duty) never so much as cracks a smile or has any other expression but something akin to constipation or possibly a case of terminal apathy, there's a problem.

Marvel may make jokes in a fight at times, (duh- half the characters are snarky to begin with) but at least they don't all have sticks up their butts, as Star Lord so eloquently put it. Actually, I think his story to Gamora sums up the difference between the MCU and DCCU's perfectly....

[plastroncafe]

I want to like DC stuff, but there hasn't been a decent non-animated DC movie since Burton's first Batman with Keaton. You want to talk animated...and DC wins that "war" dead to rights.

I've always been more of a Marvel-gal, because to me DC characters are more like buildings than people. And the only real exposure I had to them as a kid were the Reeves movies, and I hated Hackman's Luthor. I had no patience for incompetent villains then, and I still don't now.

The Marvel movies keep to the spirit of the books, and that's why they work. The first X-men movie wasn't a great movie story-wise,...but I'll be damned if the cast didn't mostly nail their performances. I was too stoked about how amazing Jackman was as Wolverine to really care how bizarre the whole Doomsday Device Whee We're All Mutants! endgame was.

If that makes me a sheep, then baaaaaa motherf*cker.

The first Spider-Man movie was great. The second one looked like it was made by committee...and was less great. The third one was...well, that was a thing that happened.

I wanted to like the Garfield Spidey, mostly because I thought he was a much better Spidey than Toby....who was a great Parker, I thought. But the plot was just composed of elements that don't work for me personally.
I'm not a huge fan of the neat-and-tidy way of storytelling. Where there's no random because everything is connected some how. It feels way too contrived.

(Which is one of the reasons why I dislike the PDMNT movie: it basically swiped the plot of the Spidey reboot.)

As for the MCU: It works for me because it's made me care about characters I didn't give a moment's notice to before. I've never read Avengers. Or Thor. Or Iron-Man. In fact...I still don't.

I watched Incredible Hulk as a kid, but couldn't tell you the plot of any given episode.

I get that they're not everyone's cup of tea. I happen to like them. Are they perfect? No. But they make about as much sense as the Marvel Universe does at any given time, so I let it slide.

Again, if this makes me a sheep...then baaaa.

[ZariusTwo]

So when The Avengers have to put aside their differences to stop an incoming alien invasion from destroying the world, there's no stakes?

You don't think for a minute they'll fail, or sustain an even bigger casualty, Coulson's death prompted them into action, but Marvel did'nt keep him dead did they? He wound up in a s*itty tv show, and the Avengers are apparently all too stupid to never really notice him or his team even when they're doing all kinds of stunts in public.

Tony has PTSD for Iron Man 3 stemming from the battle in Avengers...for a bit, then he teams up with a kid and blows all of his armor up for no reason while The Mandarin watches a football game.

They should have killed Hawkeye in AOU, but no, they chickened out and killed Quicksilver, who nobody gave a damn about.

What stakes? There's none in these movies, characters come back to life and there's no real drawn-out consequences for others because they're so incredibly bi-polar.

Neither of us are going to change our minds, so I'm dropping it here. Thanks for not getting too irked at me, I'm an old grump. If you like the movies, that's fine.

If that makes me a sheep, then baaaaaa motherf*cker.

"It's what the public want" right?

Yeah, the public also want Bayformers, McDonalds, Dan Slott (http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/news/135165-dan-slott-reprimanded-for-reckless-tweeting-in-lame-attempt-to-discredit-berganza-reports.html)'s ASM, and Donald Trump. F*ck the public.

[Sumac]

I have a feeling I know who will be next to quit this forum, citing "everyone are idiots, but me, nobody understands me, whaaaaaa" as a reason.

[plastroncafe]

You don't think for a minute they'll fail, or sustain an even bigger casualty, Coulson's death prompted them into action, but Marvel did'nt keep him dead did they? He wound up in a s*itty tv show, and the Avengers are apparently all too stupid to never really notice him or his team even when they're doing all kinds of stunts in public.


This is an outrage! This would never happen in the source material!

What stakes? There's none in these movies, characters come back to life and there's no real drawn-out consequences for others because they're so incredibly bi-polar.

No no no, THIS is an outrage! It would never happen this way in the source material.

Neither of us are going to change our minds, so I'm dropping it here. Thanks for not getting too irked at me, I'm an old grump. If you like the movies, that's fine.


Does this mean I am, or am no longer a sheep?
I need to know for important shearing purposes.

"It's what the public want" right?

Yeah, the public also want Bayformers, McDonalds, Dan Slott (http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/news/135165-dan-slott-reprimanded-for-reckless-tweeting-in-lame-attempt-to-discredit-berganza-reports.html)'s ASM, and Donald Trump. F*ck the public.

Rage ineffectually on, my tiny dancer. Rage on!

I have a feeling I know who will be next to quit this forum, citing "everyone are idiots, but me, nobody understands me, whaaaaaa" as a reason.

As the kids on Tumblr say:
Where's the lie?

[Coola Yagami]

You don't think for a minute they'll fail, or sustain an even bigger casualty, Coulson's death prompted them into action, but Marvel did'nt keep him dead did they? He wound up in a s*itty tv show, and the Avengers are apparently all too stupid to never really notice him or his team even when they're doing all kinds of stunts in public.

Tony has PTSD for Iron Man 3 stemming from the battle in Avengers...for a bit, then he teams up with a kid and blows all of his armor up for no reason while The Mandarin watches a football game.

They should have killed Hawkeye in AOU, but no, they chickened out and killed Quicksilver, who nobody gave a damn about.

What stakes? There's none in these movies, characters come back to life and there's no real drawn-out consequences for others because they're so incredibly bi-polar.



That kind of logic can be applied to any movie. Did you really expect Superman to NOT defeat Zod and have him rule or destroy Earth? Do you actually expect Superman to die for real and NOT be in the Justice League movie?

IMO Age of Ultron was Hawkeye's best movie. He had a crap cameo in Thor and was underused in the first Avengers, basically being brainwashed without us knowing much about him beforehand. It would have been a bit of a waste to build him up in Age of Ultron only to kill him in the same movie. If he was to die, I'd save it for the next movie.

[AT-Man]

Hawkeye definitely shouldn't have died in AOU, just because we finally see a bit of his personal life. They obviously manipulated people to think he would be the one to go, but why is it that as soon as they make you like a character more, they should be killed off? What a tired film trope.

[MikeandRaph87]

Speaking of Age of Ultron, I feel like they did not have anything for either Black Widow and Hulk to do in the film so they made them flirt out of nowhere. Disappointing especially since Black Widow is one of the most underutilized super heroes in movie history.

[CyberCubed]

I like Marvel movies! No I hate Marvel movies!

https://imgur.com/njhyYQB

[Sumac]

As the kids on Tumblr say:
Where's the lie?
Be careful!! If you continue apply too much logic, he might ask you, to stay in the kitchen, like he asked me. :roll:

I like Marvel movies! No I hate Marvel movies!
The beast that known as Internet.
Or a humanity...? I am getting confused this days.

[plastroncafe]

Be careful!! If you continue apply too much logic, he might ask you, to stay in the kitchen, like he asked me. :roll:


Goodness I hope so.
That's where the knives are.

[The Deadman]

And the sporks.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Be careful!! If you continue apply too much logic, he might ask you, to stay in the kitchen, like he asked me. :roll:

Like he would trust a man to make his sandwiches for him. :tlol:

Wow, this thread is going downhill so quickly and yet it is remaining entertaining, unlike the last movie thread.

Who wants popcorn?

[ZariusTwo]

Be careful!! If you continue apply too much logic, he might ask you, to stay in the kitchen, like he asked me. :roll:

You've been promoted to fetching my slippers.

You're lucky I'm so forgiving, having caught you and Plastron taking time out at this family function

AOOs8MaR1YM

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Like he would trust a man to make his sandwiches for him

I make my own actually. I use triangles, and I'm out of Dairylee. Fetch boy.


Wow, this thread is going downhill so quickly and yet it is remaining entertaining

Thing is, I already made peace with the guy I was arguing with, so dealing with some butthurt hangers-on in the midst of their periods is an added bonus

Keep proving me right gals. And keep scrubbing.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

And the laughs just keep coming. I swear, I am not leaving this thread until Machias or somebody shuts it down.

Or people stop being mean to each other. But this IS the internet.

Dance, puppets! DANCE!

[ZariusTwo]

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[MsMarvelDuckie]

Goodness I hope so.
That's where the knives are.


Because we ladies ALWAYS go for the knives. They don't need ammo, and you get the added bonus of being able to look them in the eyes.... :trazz: Yes, I'm a sadistic little witch, ain't I? :twink:

[Sumac]

You've been promoted to fetching my slippers.
I wonder, how dog can promote human? :ohwell:

Thing is, I already made peace with the guy I was arguing with, so dealing with some butthurt hangers-on in the midst of their periods is an added bonus

Keep proving me right gals. And keep scrubbing.
Oh, look we have one of this boys who was slapped by girls when he was little, and now he thinks he is getting his revenge on females by being rude in the internet. It's certainly working, yes, sir! :lol:

[Commenter 42]

I don't understand the hared for the color red in CBM's.

Like, nothing is red anymore, it's all shades of purple to maroon.
What's everyone got against red?

http://i.imgur.com/ThQ4umK.gif

[ProactiveMan]

Thor's cape is red isn't it? Possibly on the blue end of red admittedly. Tobey Maguire's suit was a pretty pleasing red, and those movies had a warm pallet, so yellow is probably the answer. Too much blue these days? Everyone wants to be James Cameron.

[Commenter 42]

Thor's cape is red isn't it? Possibly on the blue end of red admittedly. Tobey Maguire's suit was a pretty pleasing red, and those movies had a warm pallet, so yellow is probably the answer. Too much blue these days? Everyone wants to be James Cameron.

Yeah, I've always hated the Maguire-verse, and even that Spider-man was less red red, more of a cherry red.
Don't blame blue, blue has nothing to do with this. Blue definitely wasn't involved...
I got my eye on yellow.

Theres a war on red folks. It's coming for your kids!!!!!