Sony Pictures Entertainment Brings Marvel Studios Into The Amazing World Of Spider-Ma [Archive]

Autbot_Benz

02-09-2015, 10:33 PM

Marvel's Kevin Feige to Produce Next Installment of the Spider-Man Franchise with Amy Pascal

(Culver City, California, and Burbank, California February 09, 2015) – Sony Pictures Entertainment and Marvel Studios announced today that Sony is bringing Marvel into the amazing world of Spider-Man.

Under the deal, the new Spider-Man will first appear in a Marvel film from Marvel's Cinematic Universe (MCU). Sony Pictures will thereafter release the next installment of its $4 billion Spider-Man franchise, on July 28, 2017, in a film that will be co-produced by Kevin Feige and his expert team at Marvel and Amy Pascal, who oversaw the franchise launch for the studio 13 years ago. Together, they will collaborate on a new creative direction for the web slinger. Sony Pictures will continue to finance, distribute, own and have final creative control of the Spider-Man films.

Marvel and Sony Pictures are also exploring opportunities to integrate characters from the MCU into future Spider-Man films.

The new relationship follows a decade of speculation among fans about whether Spider-Man – who has always been an integral and important part of the larger Marvel Universe in the comic books – could become part of the Marvel Universe on the big screen. Spider-Man has more than 50 years of history in Marvel's world, and with this deal, fans will be able to experience Spider-Man taking his rightful place among other Super Heroes in the MCU.

Bob Iger, Chairman and CEO, The Walt Disney Company said: "Spider-Man is one of Marvel's great characters, beloved around the world. We're thrilled to work with Sony Pictures to bring the iconic web-slinger into the Marvel Cinematic Universe, which opens up fantastic new opportunities for storytelling and franchise building."

"We always want to collaborate with the best and most successful filmmakers to grow our franchises and develop our characters. Marvel, Kevin Feige and Amy, who helped orchestrate this deal, are the perfect team to help produce the next chapter of Spider-Man," said Michael Lynton, Chairman and CEO of Sony Pictures Entertainment. "This is the right decision for the franchise, for our business, for Marvel, and for the fans."

"Sony Pictures and Marvel Studios share a love for the characters in the Spider-Man universe and have a long, successful history of working together. This new level of collaboration is the perfect way to take Peter Parker's story into the future," added Doug Belgrad, president, Sony Pictures Entertainment Motion Picture Group.

"I am thrilled to team with my friends at Sony Pictures along with Amy Pascal to produce the next Spider-Man movie," said Marvel Studios President Kevin Feige. "Amy has been deeply involved in the realization on film of one of the world’s most beloved characters. Marvel's involvement will hopefully deliver the creative continuity and authenticity that fans demand from the MCU. I am equally excited for the opportunity to have Spider-Man appear in the MCU, something which both we at Marvel, and fans alike, have been looking forward to for years."

Spider-Man, embraced all over the world, is the most successful franchise in the history of Sony Pictures, with the five films having taken in more than $4 billion worldwide.

ABOUT SONY PICTURES ENTERTAINMENT

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ABOUT MARVEL ENTERTAINMENT

Marvel Entertainment, LLC, a wholly-owned subsidiary of The Walt Disney Company, is one of the world's most prominent character-based entertainment companies, built on a proven library of more than 8,000 characters featured in a variety of media over seventy-five years. Marvel utilizes its character franchises in entertainment, licensing and publishing. For more information visit marvel.com. © 2015 MARVEL
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MsMarvelDuckie

02-09-2015, 10:48 PM

I'm about to squee with joy!! About darn time!!!

Spike Spiegel

02-09-2015, 11:19 PM

So, is this a reboot of a reboot?

Or is Garfield coming back?

TigerClaw

02-09-2015, 11:21 PM

This is great news, I just wonder, Are they gonna redo Spider-Man's origin?

Raph's Girl

02-09-2015, 11:21 PM

So, is this a reboot of a reboot?

Or is Garfield coming back?

Considering Garfield was essentially fired, it's a reboot. Unless they decide to rehire Garfield for the 2017 spidey film.

Cure

02-09-2015, 11:22 PM

Damn it. I liked the Amazing movies a lot. And Andrew Garfield.

snake

02-09-2015, 11:25 PM

Damn it. I liked the Amazing movies a lot. And Andrew Garfield.

I loved one and I enjoy two as a "so bad it's good" thing. Garfield was a great spiderman too.

Peanut

02-09-2015, 11:26 PM

No more origin stories, please and thanks!

Leo656

02-09-2015, 11:31 PM

I wouldn't mind seeing them keep Garfield and scrap everything else. But, he had to go and publicly call ASM 2 a piece of crap, so I can see why they'd get rid of him. "How DARE you agree with literally everyone! We'll show you, buddy!" :roll:

Sick of seeing the origin at this point, so I really hope from now on the movies just have the stories "Joined In Progress."

This deal sounds slanted in favor of Sony, though. Seems like Marvel just gets to "borrow" him once in a while for their movies. If Sony really does still have "final say" over scripts and such, there's really nothing to celebrate, since Sony being run by morons is what killed the Spidey films in the first place. So, I'm curious, and optimistic, but I'll wait before I get too excited. Just sounds like Marvel really, really wanted Spidey to be in "Civil War", and that's all this is, is a way to make that happen. If everything else stays more or less the same, then that's still not really a big deal.

I'unno, we'll see.

MsMarvelDuckie

02-09-2015, 11:35 PM

Well, I'm cautiously optimistic, myself. (Then again, I said that before TMNT14 came out, too....) I didn't care for Garfield. (Sorry, I just DON'T like him.) If they can find someone who actually has more to offer than a "pretty-boy Peter" and some snark, I'm all for it.

Leo656

02-09-2015, 11:39 PM

Literally anyone not named "Toby McGuire" would be just fine with me.

Autbot_Benz

02-09-2015, 11:44 PM

Literally anyone not named "Toby McGuire" would be just fine with me.

agreed id like a peter parker not crying in almost every scene.

Spike Spiegel

02-10-2015, 12:07 AM

agreed id like a peter parker not crying in almost every scene.

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MsMarvelDuckie

02-10-2015, 12:12 AM

At least he knew HOW. Don't think Garfiled has that much emotion in his whole body. I just didn't FEEL anything from him. But OH once the costume was on, the snark was off the charts! :trolleye::tconfuse::tgrumble:

The Turtle Terminator

02-10-2015, 01:15 AM

YESSSSS! Celebrate good times come on! It's a celebration!

Finally. Avengers Assemble!

CyberCubed

02-10-2015, 01:48 AM

They need to have a Peter Parker whose already a few years into his Spiderman career. God forbid we have to sit through the same boring Green Goblin story for the millionth time.

MsMarvelDuckie

02-10-2015, 02:29 AM

Well, to be fair, his first encounter with Gobby wasn't even until after issue #12(I don't remember the exact #, but I know it was past that)! By that reckoning, Ock and Electro should have BOTH come before Gobby! Who wants to see Chameleon in the next movie??!! Heck, he should've already met the FF before meeting GG. Which- kind of makes sense, alphabetically..... We can start at the top- Arcade, Black Cat, Chameleon, Cloak & Dagger, Doc Ock, Electro, Green Goblin, Hammerhead or Hobgoblin, (lost on I), Jackal, Kaine or Kraven, Lizard, Madame Web, Man-Wolf or Molten Man, (dunno on N or O), Prowler or Punisher,.....

Edit: Gobby's first appearance was ASM #14.

Creativemind

02-10-2015, 02:57 AM

agreed id like a peter parker not crying in almost every scene.

Oh my God. Thank you! I try t o tell Tobey fans this and they are all like "He didn't cry in every movie". I don't think these people saw the movies we did. Plus all three were the same damn movie with different bad guys. Honest movie trailers hit it on the head.

MsMarvelDuckie

02-10-2015, 03:22 AM

Oh my God. Thank you! I try t o tell Tobey fans this and they are all like "He didn't cry in every movie". I don't think these people saw the movies we did. Plus all three were the same damn movie with different bad guys. Honest movie trailers hit it on the head.

Yet nearly everything in the first two Spider-Man movies was FAR better than the first two Amazing Spider-Man movies- the fights, the acting (say what you will about Toby, but everyone else was spot-on), the stories (Ock's plot was particularly good), and the effects. Most people seem to simply razz on them because #3 left a bad taste in everyone's mouth. And that's mostly because of disappointment over Venom and Harry-Goblin. Do I even need to bring up Lizard or Electro?! Poor choices made on both. And as much as I feel a bit face-palm-y at Toby in #3, Garfield is just too "pretty" (and was already a bit confrontational even BEFORE the spider, which is SOO OOC for that point in the movie) to be a convincing nerd. Sally Fields made a good aunt May though, surprisingly.

Also- Willem Dafoe really SOLD GG. Having read through most of Gobby's history (Which includes once having abducted Flash and gotten him totally sloshed on whiskey before putting him behind the wheel of a semi rig and watching him crash it into the school Peter was teaching at- as a poke at Peter, of course. Also, banging Gwen Stacy while his son was unconscious after a drug overdose- and swiping her twin children from the "affair" to raise in secret in France) he was so convincing as Psycho-borne, er, Osborne that anyone else would just seem dull in comparison.

LivingMutagen

02-10-2015, 03:47 AM

Spidey's back! And he's going to appear in Civil War first, so he's going to be an already established hero in the MCU (like Black Panther), so no origin story. Can't wait for phase 3 now.

Creativemind

02-10-2015, 05:31 AM

Yet nearly everything in the first two Spider-Man movies was FAR better than the first two Amazing Spider-Man movies- the fights, the acting (say what you will about Toby, but everyone else was spot-on), the stories (Ock's plot was particularly good), and the effects. Most people seem to simply razz on them because #3 left a bad taste in everyone's mouth. And that's mostly because of disappointment over Venom and Harry-Goblin. Do I even need to bring up Lizard or Electro?! Poor choices made on both. And as much as I feel a bit face-palm-y at Toby in #3, Garfield is just too "pretty" (and was already a bit confrontational even BEFORE the spider, which is SOO OOC for that point in the movie) to be a convincing nerd. Sally Fields made a good aunt May though, surprisingly.

Also- Willem Dafoe really SOLD GG. Having read through most of Gobby's history (Which includes once having abducted Flash and gotten him totally sloshed on whiskey before putting him behind the wheel of a semi rig and watching him crash it into the school Peter was teaching at- as a poke at Peter, of course. Also, banging Gwen Stacy while his son was unconscious after a drug overdose- and swiping her twin children from the "affair" to raise in secret in France) he was so convincing as Psycho-borne, er, Osborne that anyone else would just seem dull in comparison.
I disagree with pretty much everything you just said there except the bit about Willem Dafoe and Electro. The Lizard was spot on except for needing more of a snout and as for Garfield being "too pretty" well Peter Parker has mostly been a physical specimen in both physique and facial structure. I actually think a great actor to portray him in the next film would be Emile Hirsch. There are versions of Peter that revolve around the Civil War that look a lot like him. But all in all I liked the Amazing Spider-man movies much more. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bf/Emile_Hirsch.jpg
http://images.fandango.com/MDCsite/images/featured/201410/civilwarspiderman.jpg

MikeandRaph87

02-10-2015, 05:47 AM

Does that mean its another reboot or there will be a Amazing Spider-Man 3 produced by Marvel and sitributed by Sony?

Azul35

02-10-2015, 07:15 AM

Does that mean its another reboot or there will be a Amazing Spider-Man 3 produced by Marvel and sitributed by Sony?

Actually, it's going to be ANOTHER reboot.

ZariusTwo

02-10-2015, 07:27 AM

They need to have a Peter Parker whose already a few years into his Spiderman career.

According to the leaks, this is what Sony were thinking of doing, and possibly may still be willing to do. There are also rumors Marvel are also going to reboot Spidey to be an older character following the Secret Wars comics event by undoing OMD and giving him a family so there would be synergy with that approach

THGhost

02-10-2015, 08:08 AM

ZariusTwo

02-10-2015, 08:20 AM

They confirmed Garfield is out

evan2000

02-10-2015, 08:21 AM

I'm over the moon about this. Spidey is my favourite Marvel character. :D

Hopefully they'll keep Andrew Garfield and not do another origin story. Plus seeing how he copes after the death of Gwen Stacy could be interesting to see.

You really need to spoiler that? That story is older than the internet (and probably all of us here) :tlol:

Allio

02-10-2015, 08:22 AM

any chance for
Leopardon
I can dream

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

02-10-2015, 08:41 AM

ZariusTwo

02-10-2015, 08:50 AM

Spiderman is my least favorite character, and seeing how he's currently been the star of some very bad movies, I'm probably the only geek in existence who is not thrilled with this news.

I really didn't want him in Civil War, and yes, I know he was in the comics. MCU isn't the comics. Well, we shall see...

I don't know why people are so high on him being in Civil War. Him publicly unmasking was the least in-character thing he's ever done, and it led to the worst story he's ever had. Some people simply have no real understanding or value for this character so long as they get a "nifty premise" at the expense of consistency, and that extends just as much to the fans at times as it does the writers

TheBlueTurtle1

02-10-2015, 08:55 AM

Bring back Toby as an older spidy. No need to reboot, no need for an origins. Then all we need is Hugh as Wolverine and cancel the Gambit movie or cast Josh Holloway from Lost as Gambit

http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/userpics/10315/normal_xJoshGambitManip.jpg

TurtleTitan97

02-10-2015, 09:32 AM

Best news ever!

THGhost

02-10-2015, 09:39 AM

They confirmed Garfield is out

Link?

You really need to spoiler that? That story is older than the internet (and probably all of us here) :tlol:

Yes, yes I do. :P

ZariusTwo

02-10-2015, 10:01 AM

Link?

UPDATE: While separate reports confirm that Andrew Garfield is definitely OUT as Peter Parker (in case that wasn't clear in the annoucement), Deadline reports that The Amazing Spider-Man 2 producers Avi Arad and Matt Tolmach "will become exec producers going forward." What do you think?

www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/MarvelFreshman/news/?a=115025

Amaranthus

02-10-2015, 10:26 AM

I loved one and I enjoy two as a "so bad it's good" thing. Garfield was a great spiderman too.

Is it just me or does Garfield sound like he has a speaking condition or something? It really hurt his performance.

turtlefanforever

02-10-2015, 10:43 AM

but the wait suuuucks!

MikeandRaph87

02-10-2015, 10:54 AM

So no spinoff films? No Amazing Spider-Man 3? No Andrew Garfield? New continuity intertwined with the Marvel Cinematic Universe? Just looking for all clarifications here.

TurtleTitan97

02-10-2015, 11:18 AM

So no spinoff films? No Amazing Spider-Man 3? No Andrew Garfield? New continuity intertwined with the Marvel Cinematic Universe? Just looking for all clarifications here.
Maybe, probably not, he's been fired, and yes.

NinjaPug

02-10-2015, 12:01 PM

Great news.

Good riddance Avi Arad.

ZariusTwo

02-10-2015, 12:03 PM

Good riddance Avi Arad.

He's staying on.

NinjaPug

02-10-2015, 12:19 PM

He's staying on.

Just as an EP which is only good for a credit and a paycheck. He has no creative control anymore.

CyberCubed

02-10-2015, 12:27 PM

So what about that Sinister Six movie? Its not happening? Or that Venom movie?

TigerClaw

02-10-2015, 12:42 PM

What if the Spider-Man they are going for, Is Miles Morales?

NinjaPug

02-10-2015, 12:52 PM

So what about that Sinister Six movie? Its not happening? Or that Venom movie?

S6 has been delayed but it's still in development. I haven't heard anything about Venom in a while. That might've been cancelled after ASM2 didn't meet their expectations.

What if the Spider-Man they are going for, Is Miles Morales?

The press release specifically said Peter Parker.

CyberCubed

02-10-2015, 01:29 PM

Of course its going to be Peter Parker and not Mile Morales.

After all this time of people begging to see Spiderman in the Marvel movie universe, you really think they're going to cop-out and not have THE Spiderman be the one who appears?

Your average joe has no clue who Miles Morales is. Peter Parker IS the one and only Spiderman. Its the same way some people think Dick Grayson was the only Robin and have no clue there were 4 Robin's running around.

ZariusTwo

02-10-2015, 01:35 PM

The last time Spider-Man's sales were in any way relevant since OMD were when Doc Ock possessed Peter's body. Shows how many people really give a f*ck about Parker these days.

plastroncafe

02-10-2015, 01:36 PM

It'd be insanity for them not to use Peter Parker as Spiderman.
I mean...what next? Ant-man isn't going to be Hank Pym?

...

oh.

Peanut

02-10-2015, 01:48 PM

People really trying to lobby for Morales as Spidey? lol Good luck, kids!

Do you guys honestly think the people blowing up the Marvel superhero movie sh*t are people who know anything outside of the absolute basics? They will never use Morales in something this forward facing. Ever.

snake

02-10-2015, 01:52 PM

The last time Spider-Man's sales were in any way relevant since OMD were when Doc Ock possessed Peter's body. Shows how many people really give a f*ck about Parker these days.

No, it just shows that Slott ruined the comic, and no one wants to buy a sh*tty book.

plastroncafe

02-10-2015, 01:55 PM

Snark aside, I think Parker working for the Bugle covering the Avengers is an easy way to work Spider-man into the story.

Having said that, the Marvel Cinematic Universe has clearly cribbed more than a couple of things from the Ultimates line, so it's possible that Morales could be a consideration. A strong consideration? Probably not, sadly.

Someone other than a white guy named Chris playing Parker is more likely than Morales getting screen time as Spidey.

ZariusTwo

02-10-2015, 01:58 PM

No, it just shows that Slott ruined the comic, and no one wants to buy a sh*tty book.

These true words have routinely been spoken

CyberCubed

02-10-2015, 02:22 PM

I don't know if this comes as a shock to some of you, but most people don't read comic books! Comic book sales are nothing compared to movies and TV shows.

Most people have no clue who Miles Morales is. Of course they're going to use Peter Parker.

Its the same reason that proposed live-action Batman Beyond movie never took off the ground. Because they felt your casual fans would never accept someone who isn't Bruce Wayne as Batman, even though Batman Beyond takes place in the future.

snake

02-10-2015, 02:25 PM

plastroncafe

02-10-2015, 02:28 PM

He's also Latino.

BAM! Served!

THGhost

02-10-2015, 02:30 PM

Cubed it right, the average viewer has no clue who Miles Morales is. And why should they? They don't read the comics. Peter Parker IS the one and only Spider-Man to them and with good reason. There's no way Marvel/Sony will suddenly stop using Parker and start using Morales.

plastroncafe

02-10-2015, 02:41 PM

The Average Viewer has no idea who Peter Parker is either.
"Oh you mean Toby or that Kid Who's Banging Emma Stone?"

You're assuming a level of canon purity that the baseline viewing public doesn't care about. Again, no one cares that Hank Pym isn't going to be Ant-Man, and only racists were upset when Idris Elba and Sam Jackson got cast to be Heimdel and Fury.

Honestly? I can see no better way for the Marvel Cinematic Universe to differentiate it's Spider-man from the previous movies, including the unfortunate reboot, than casting a non-white actor to play Spider-man.

Regardless though, I'm so glad this news broke when it did, because the fanboy frothing and gnashing over the Ghostbusters reboot was just dying down and I was running short of things to laugh at.

snake

02-10-2015, 02:57 PM

Candy Kappa

02-10-2015, 03:01 PM

There's been non-Peter live-action Spider-Man before. I don't think people would be too much raging about Miles, besides the usual jackwagons that don't like black people, and costume debates.

snake

02-10-2015, 03:03 PM

There's been non-Peter live-action Spider-Man before. I don't think people would be too much raging about Miles, besides the usual jackwagons that don't like black people, and costume debates.

I think it would just boil down to "not muh peter", which is entirely fine, because Peter is a fun character to watch on screen. To be honest, Miles works better in a comic. I'd take Peter over him any day in movies.

THGhost

02-10-2015, 03:54 PM

What if they cast a black actor, but as Peter Parker? :P

The Average Viewer has no idea who Peter Parker is either.
"Oh you mean Toby or that Kid Who's Banging Emma Stone?"

:lol: Of course they know who Peter Parker is!

CyberCubed

02-10-2015, 04:29 PM

The point is this is the first time Spiderman will be in the Marvel universe, so of course it will be Peter.

Had we had a series of successful Spiderman movies with Miles being introduced in a spinoff that would have been another story.

ZariusTwo

02-10-2015, 05:25 PM

http://variety.com/2015/film/news/details-spider-man-appear-in-sony-and-marvel-movies-1201429039/

Even younger Peter Parker, and Sony's plans for a female spin-off are still on. Fiege won't be involved in any of those ideas either.

Malibu Stacey. New hat.

Allio

02-10-2015, 05:26 PM

It could probably get away with being a soft reboot.

TigerClaw

02-10-2015, 05:56 PM

Sony is still moving forward with the Sinister Six, Venom, And More, The Amazing Spider-Man 3 is canceled.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=115083

NinjaPug

02-10-2015, 06:50 PM

Pretty awesome that Feige is producing the Sony Spidey flick without collecting a fee. He really wants Spidey in the MCU.

THGhost

02-10-2015, 07:57 PM

Pretty awesome that Feige is producing the Sony Spidey flick without collecting a fee. He really wants Spidey in the MCU.

http://i.imgur.com/VmNwcvM.gif

ToTheNines

02-10-2015, 08:45 PM

This is disappointing. The MCU is gonna be so cluttered now, especially Cap 3. Thor 3 and Captain Marvel getting pushed back several months pisses me off. And now the Inhumans movie will be after part 2 of Avengers 3... completely disinterested in that now.

I mean, I get why people are excited but I've already seen Spider-Man team up with the Avengers in cartoons and comics. Don't HAVE to see it in live action.

Also kinda bummed about the Amazing universe, I liked the Spidey movies and was interested in the crazy spinoff ideas.

Creativemind

02-10-2015, 09:56 PM

What if the Spider-Man they are going for, Is Miles Morales?

**** Miles Morales.
http://www.quickmeme.com/img/52/52cfa562021c4c144f132c85c40a1ec19d1e1fedb4dc0764ed 06e137d1ae826c.jpg

MsMarvelDuckie

02-11-2015, 12:20 AM

. The Lizard was spot on except for needing more of a snout and as for Garfield being "too pretty" well Peter Parker has mostly been a physical specimen in both physique and facial structure.

Nope, nope, nope...... Peter's biggest appeal has ALWAYS been that he's the "everyman" hero. He's not super good-looking. (He's been described many times as "average". And his physical description actually accents that. His hair is brown, eyes are hazel or brown, depending on the artist. Just- unremarkable. Not "really cute" or "buff". He's also the kind of guy who can blend in with a crown easily due to having an unremarkable face with no memorable features.) Nor is he "buff". (In fact, he' very lean, just well-toned. His weight is listed as 175. Let that sink in. He's very slim, for a male.) He's also a bit on the short side for a guy- 5'10". There are lots of WOMEN out there taller than Spidey! Artists have depicted him as being somewhat good-looking at times, but his features are always very "normal" without a lot of unusual traits to have to draw in. His most trademark feature is arguably his hair, which has usually had that little Jerry-curl in front. Other than that, he's not really much of a "hunk" type of hero, unlike Thor, Cap, or Even Tony Stark, all of whom are seen as "handsome" in the comics.

Amaranthus

02-11-2015, 08:41 AM

Every Spider-Man movie so far has been pretty bad so I hope they get him right this time. Spider-Man is one of the most well-known and popular Marvel heroes and people expect a lot from his movies.

LeotheLateBloomer

02-11-2015, 09:03 AM

What can I say except FINALLY! But if TASM 3 is cancelled, does that mean the S6 movie and Venom will exist in the MCU? It'd be pointless if they didn't.

THGhost

02-11-2015, 09:07 AM

Every Spider-Man movie so far has been pretty bad...

Sam Raimi's Spider-Man & Spider-Man 2's critical success will disagree with you there. ;)

What can I say except FINALLY! But if TASM 3 is cancelled, does that mean the S6 movie and Venom will exist in the MCU? It'd be pointless if they didn't.

I sincerely hope so. No doubt Sony will hold creative control over them too though.

Bry

02-11-2015, 09:17 AM

Bring back Toby as an older spidy.

Y'know, I'd actually really like to see a one-off followup to the original Spider-Man movies with the whole team back. An older, married Spider-Man's last adventure. Maybe introduce Mayday/Spider-Girl as a capper - not setting up a spin-off necessarily, but showing Peter passing on Uncle Ben's message to the next generation. It'll never happen, but I'd love to see it.

What if the Spider-Man they are going for, Is Miles Morales?

I can't see them going with Miles right away, but Marvel is very invested in the character and I'm sure they're thinking about working him in at some point.

Someone other than a white guy named Chris playing Parker is more likely than Morales getting screen time as Spidey.

Well, #DonaldForSpiderman was trending again yesterday...

This is disappointing. The MCU is gonna be so cluttered now, especially Cap 3. Thor 3 and Captain Marvel getting pushed back several months pisses me off. And now the Inhumans movie will be after part 2 of Avengers 3... completely disinterested in that now.

I think that was a necessary "evil" - they have to work with Sony for this deal, and that means making some room for their film slate as well - they can't put a Marvel movie up as direct competition for a Sony/Marvel Spider-Man movie, so they've got to make some room in their schedule for Sony to have a spot at the table. And on the flip-side, this also means they avoid Spider-Man being a direct competition for their own, lesser-known properties. It's not a perfect situation, but I think they're just trying to avoid conflicts. I can be patient.

Creativemind

02-11-2015, 10:11 AM

I don't get why everyone liked Spider-man 2. Doc Oc was done completely wrong As far as personality goes and killing him was a bogus move.

ZariusTwo

02-11-2015, 10:40 AM

Sam Raimi's Spider-Man & Spider-Man 2's critical success will disagree with you there. ;)

American Sniper has critical acclaim too. Doesn't stop it being considered a piece of s*it in some people's eyes.

plastroncafe

02-11-2015, 10:48 AM

I liked the first Raimi Spidey flick, but everything that came after was a wet hot mess. Toby was a great choice for Peter, but a less than great choice for Spidey. Garfield was the only good thing about the reboots.

MsMarvelDuckie

02-11-2015, 01:24 PM

I don't get why everyone liked Spider-man 2. Doc Oc was done completely wrong As far as personality goes and killing him was a bogus move.

I disagree. His very first appearance flat out stated that he became mentally unstable from his fusion with the arms, and the movie portrayed that beautifully. And HE chose to sacrifice himself to atone, no one "killed" him. Ock was never a "bad" guy in the beginning, his mental instability, hubris, and the new-found power made him that way over time. But even in the comics, he eventually sought to redeem himself- Superior Spider-Man, anyone??

I liked the first Raimi Spidey flick, but everything that came after was a wet hot mess. Toby was a great choice for Peter, but a less than great choice for Spidey. Garfield was the only good thing about the reboots.

I feel the opposite. My personal favorite of the original trilogy was two- everything just gelled so perfectly, and bringing John in as a possible rival made for some great personal tension/entanglements that Peter is so well-known for. "Losing" his powers on top of everything else just made the whole thing feel so much more dire, for me, and Ock was my favorite villain portrayal out of all the movies thus far. Well, Gobby in the first was a close second, but Octavius has always been a favorite of mine due to his intellect and charisma. Let's face it, anyone who can con Aunt May into marrying him is an awesome villain! And Garfield was my biggest gripe in the new films. Decent Spidey, but BAD Peter.

THGhost

02-11-2015, 02:35 PM

I don't get why everyone liked Spider-man 2. Doc Oc was done completely wrong As far as personality goes and killing him was a bogus move.

Because its's the best Spidey film to date.
It's called an adaptation of Doc Ock*, and a damn good one too. ;)

American Sniper has critical acclaim too. Doesn't stop it being considered a piece of s*it in some people's eyes.

Interesting comparison. Maybe it is, I haven't seen it. Spidey 1 & 2 on the other hand, are not. Everyone knows that.
At least wait until after this year's Oscars before claiming that American Sniper is critically acclaimed. I hear that it's nothing like the book it is based on. It might go the same route as American Hustle and not win a single on of its nominations for all we know.

BabyTurtles

02-11-2015, 03:14 PM

yay Peter Parker again.......it's not like anyone's getting tired of him right......:ohwell:

This is like getting 2 Flash reboots starring Barry Allen.....why can't we just have Wally for once?

Candy Kappa

02-11-2015, 03:56 PM

Personally, I think it would have been interesting if they gender-bent Peter, and then made her the same etnicity as Miles and use the very nice Spider-Gwen costume.

We won't get a Black Widow movie, so a Spider-Gwen could be a nice addition.

http://womenwriteaboutcomics.com/2015/02/10/marvel-studios-gets-a-crack-at-spider-man-why-both-studios-need-a-fresh-take-on-the-web-slinger/

TheSkeletonMan939

02-11-2015, 04:02 PM

Personally, I think it would have been interesting if they gender-bent Peter, and then made her the same etnicity as Miles and use the very nice Spider-Gwen costume.

That would honestly ruin the whole thing for me.

The big deal is that Spider-Man is coming back to Marvel, not Spider-Woman who's really Miles Morales as a girl.

Even if we've seen so many Peter Parkers by now, I still wanna see the real Spidey enter the fray in the MCU, not one of the knockoffs.

THGhost

02-11-2015, 04:08 PM

yay Peter Parker again.......it's not like anyone's getting tired of him right......:ohwell:

This is like getting 2 Flash reboots starring Barry Allen.....why can't we just have Wally for once?

As already mentioned, the average viewer only knows about Peter Parker. Marvel/Sony aren't gonna suddenly use a different character that most viewers haven't heard of. Peter Parker sells movie tickets and gains TV viewing figures.

Btw, who's Wally? ;) j/k

That would honestly ruin the whole thing for me.

The big deal is that Spider-Man is coming back to Marvel, not Spider-Woman who's really Miles Morales as a girl.

Even if we've seen so many Peter Parkers by now, I still wanna see the real Spidey enter the fray in the MCU, not one of the knockoffs.

Hear, hear. When all is said and done, frickin' Spider-Man is joining the MCU! :D

CyberCubed

02-11-2015, 04:11 PM

THGhost

02-11-2015, 04:18 PM

What's their obsession of putting Peter back in High School when all the Avengers are adults?

Seriously, a teenage looking Peter will look out of place next to the movie-verse Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, etc. The actors will also all be much older than they are now by the time Spidey appears in their movies.

I would like to see an older Peter. One that's been Spider-Man for many years and has perfected the crime fighting life. Marvel/Sony should mix up the formula there a bit. Oh well, it'll still work with him being in High School. Always has, always will I suppose.

TheSkeletonMan939

02-11-2015, 04:19 PM

I think people like the idea that Pete's in high school, but still is in the same league as a genius billionaire, a god, and a WWII veteran when it comes to being a hero.

plastroncafe

02-11-2015, 04:22 PM

He's a highschool student because that's where Peter Parker is the most iconic.
That's where more people know him from.

The highschool nerd who got bitten by a radioactive spider on a field trip.

THGhost

02-11-2015, 04:23 PM

He's a highschool student because that's where Peter Parker is the most iconic.
That's where more people know him from.

The highschool nerd who got bitten by a radioactive spider on a field trip.

Agreed. :)

I do hope that we don't have to sit through all that again though. It should be briefly mentioned in the Civil War movie. Then they can talk about it/show us it all they want in the 2017 movie. All these reboots having to depict his origins again is getting tiresome.

plastroncafe

02-11-2015, 04:26 PM

I refuse to sit through another Spider-man origin story.
With my sincerest apologies to Garfield, who I quite like in the role, Sony's attempt to hold onto the rights by rebooting were idiocy. Those movies were horrid.

THGhost

02-11-2015, 04:40 PM

While I do enjoy them for what they are, I am somewhat relieved that there won't be an ASM3. I loved Garfield and Stone, but everything else just paled in comparison to the first 2 films. Hopefully the next iteration will be able to recapture some of that magic.

Anyone have any ideas on who could play the next Peter Parker? Or even Miles Morales? :P

TurtleTitan97

02-11-2015, 05:18 PM

yay Peter Parker again.......it's not like anyone's getting tired of him right......:ohwell:

That's the thing: People aren't getting tired of it. To the eyes of anyone who doesn't read comics, Peter Parker is the one and only Spider-Man. And he's still as popular as ever compared to other versions (Ben Reilly, Miguel O'Hara, Miles Morales, etc.)

This is like getting 2 Flash reboots starring Barry Allen.....why can't we just have Wally for once?

Probably because of how Barry is currently the Flash in comics. Wally was only the Flash in stuff like "Justice League" and "Justice League Unlimited" because at the time of those shows he was currently the Flash in comics, and Barry was still considered "dead" after what happen in Crisis on Infinite Earths.

ZariusTwo

02-11-2015, 05:21 PM

And he's still as popular as ever compared to other versions (Ben Reilly, Miguel O'Hara, Miles Morales, etc.).

...Go online and you'll find most of those are actually just as popular as Peter Parker, and are steadily becoming more popular with the benefit of nostalgia and shifts in diverse taste.

TurtleTitan97

02-11-2015, 05:23 PM

...Go online and you'll find most of those are actually just as popular as Peter Parker, and are steadily becoming more popular with the benefit of nostalgia and shifts in diverse taste.

I'm referring to the fact that he's popular in the eyes of people who don't read comics as much. If you ask some people who Miles Morales is, they probably wouldn't know him well enough compared to Peter.

plastroncafe

02-11-2015, 05:29 PM

People who don't read comics didn't know much of anything about any of the Avengers before the movies. Using "People only know Peter!" as the excuse to only use Peter...is a crap excuse.

CyberCubed

02-11-2015, 05:33 PM

I don't read any DC or Marvel comics, but I am aware of all the characters thanks to what I read online and see people post. Yet I have not read a single DC or Marvel comic in my life.

People who read comics or keep up on superhero news are a minority. Ask anyone on the street who "Damian Wayne" is and they'll stare at you blank faced. Meanwhile ask the person who "Dick Grayson" is and they'll probably say, "Oh, I know him, he's Robin from Batman, right?"

plastroncafe

02-11-2015, 05:39 PM

So what you're saying is that you have absolutely no credibility when it comes to any discussion of a Marvel or DC comic-related property.

This is good to know going forward.

TurtleTitan97

02-11-2015, 05:41 PM

People who don't read comics didn't know much of anything about any of the Avengers before the movies. Using "People only know Peter!" as the excuse to only use Peter...is a crap excuse.

Never said it was an excuse just to use Peter only in the movies. I mean if given the choice, I'd like to see Miguel on the big screen as Spider-Man 2099. But like Miles, the chances of that happening are slim.

TheSkeletonMan939

02-11-2015, 05:48 PM

People who don't read comics didn't know much of anything about any of the Avengers before the movies.

Using "People only know Peter!" as the excuse to only use Peter...is a crap excuse.

Not really.

The Justice League TV show was able to replace Barry Allen with Wally because no one really knew much about the Flash. It slipped under the radar of most viewers.

Spider-Man has had a good number of TV shows, and no less than five theatrical films all starring Peter Parker. All of the films and TV shows have been heavily viewed.

So the general public really do only know Peter. They might have heard about Miles in passing, but really when people think of Spider-Man they think of Peter Parker.

If they used Miles, then that'd really confuse the public and maybe - just maybe - lower ticket sales. And movie studios don't want that.

CyberCubed

02-11-2015, 06:12 PM

So what you're saying is that you have absolutely no credibility when it comes to any discussion of a Marvel or DC comic-related property.

This is good to know going forward.

You don't need to read comics to keep up on information. I generally read summaries of the biggest DC and Marvel comics just to know what's going on in them, but I don't buy the actual comics. I simply don't have the interest.

TMNT is the only comic I buy now besides Usagi Yojimbo.

NinjaPug

02-11-2015, 06:34 PM

What's their obsession of putting Peter back in High School when all the Avengers are adults?

Seriously, a teenage looking Peter will look out of place next to the movie-verse Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, etc. The actors will also all be much older than they are now by the time Spidey appears in their movies.

Honestly, that's the Spidey/Peter I want. He's a very different type of hero compared to the other Avengers and going younger with this version will really emphasize that.

For people complaining about being tired of Peter Parker - are you just tired of the name because we've never seen an accurate Peter Parker in a movie in my opinion? I'd like for them to get him right once before moving on.

TigerClaw

02-11-2015, 06:36 PM

I think this new version of Spider-Man for the MCU, Is most likely gonna do away with, all the unnecessary romance that was in the previous movies, We all know the whole thing about Peter Parker and Mary Jane, That has always taken center stage in the previous movies, And I think people are tired of that.

TheSkeletonMan939

02-11-2015, 06:41 PM

I'd like for them to get him right once before moving on.

Definitely.

The movies make Peter out to be a charismatic, likable guy who just gets bullied by Flash Thompson because Flash is just a bully.

If people actually read the first few Spider-Man comics, including Amazing Fantasy 15, they'd realize that Peter's very shy, very introverted, and actually a little bit of a jerk to his classmates. He doesn't go to parties, or to dances, or anything social, and then is surprised when Sally Avril doesn't want to date him and Flash Thompson treats him poorly.

That's the Peter I want to see (at least, initially).

THGhost

02-11-2015, 08:14 PM

Nice to know that more and more people here realise that Peter will always be Spider-Man to the average viewer. They're certainly not getting sick of him and never will. He IS Spider-Man, and I hope you all know what I mean by that.

For the record, I too have never read a Marvel comic in my life, yet I know basically everything there is to know about the Spider-Man universe due to watching the cartoons & films and having my friends who did read the comics tell me about them growing up, and now reading about them online as an adult. I also have a pretty firm grip on a lot of other Marvel characters, including each Avenger. The only DC lore that I really know back to front is Batman.

THIS might interest some of you:

"Sony is looking to a few fresh faces to portray a much younger Spider-Man in their Marvel Studios-sanctioned new take on the character

A few actors are already being considered to replace the Amazing Spider-Man series' Andrew Garfield, including Dylan O'Brien (The Maze Runner) and Logan Lerman (the Percy Jackson series, Fury). The studio has reportedly not yet reached out to them. A new director is also needed to replace The Amazing Spider-Man films' Marc Webb, and presumably this new helmer will participate in the casting of the film.

The new Peter Parker will go back to "Spidey’s roots and put the character back in high school," and the web-slinging superhero will now "spend more time in the setting and explore his awkward relationship with other students while fighting crime out of the classroom.""

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2015/02/11/dylan-obrien-and-logan-lerman-among-actors-being-considered-for-new-spidey

Video for those who can't be bothered reading - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz3DNQpuhcI

My reaction to this was - I really need to get round to watching The Maze Runner. :P

Bry

02-11-2015, 08:37 PM

He's a highschool student because that's where Peter Parker is the most iconic.
That's where more people know him from.

I actually think that most people know him as a college student. The high school part is key to his origin, but most versions of the character move him on to college very quickly (including the original comics, where he graduated high school after 29 issues).

The movies make Peter out to be a charismatic, likable guy who just gets bullied by Flash Thompson because Flash is just a bully.

If people actually read the first few Spider-Man comics, including Amazing Fantasy 15, they'd realize that Peter's very shy, very introverted, and actually a little bit of a jerk to his classmates. He doesn't go to parties, or to dances, or anything social, and then is surprised when Sally Avril doesn't want to date him and Flash Thompson treats him poorly.

That's the Peter I want to see (at least, initially).

That part of the character was pure Steve Ditko. It's funny how quickly Peter becomes a much more level-headed, friendly guy after Ditko left the title - even making friends with his former bullies by talking to them and resolving their misunderstandings, even becoming best friends with Harry, which would've been unheard of in the original Lee/Ditko run. Considering how much of an anti-social recluse Ditko became (and was all along, really) it makes a lot of sense.

Redeemer

02-11-2015, 08:39 PM

Damn it. I liked the Amazing movies a lot. And Andrew Garfield.

I am too. I had high hopes for Sony's plans for Spiderman. Obviously ASM 3. Insidious 6, Venom.

I thought Andrew Garfield made a great spider-man, ugh... damn oh well.

THGhost

02-11-2015, 08:42 PM

High School... College... either will do, as long as he's still in some more of education. Although it would be nice to see a grown up Spidey on film for once.

I am too. I had high hopes for Sony's plans for Spiderman. Obviously ASM 3. Insidious 6, Venom.

I thought Andrew Garfield made a great spider-man, ugh... damn oh well.

I think you mean Sinister Six. :P I thought he was great too.

Bry

02-11-2015, 10:02 PM

BabyTurtles

02-11-2015, 10:06 PM

People who don't read comics didn't know much of anything about any of the Avengers before the movies. Using "People only know Peter!" as the excuse to only use Peter...is a crap excuse.

Thank you!

Most people who don't read comics might vaguely know Peter, but that doesn't mean they are gonna dismiss a Spiderman movie just because he's not in it. I mean if they used Miles Morales people will give him a chance because he's still a Spiderman. It's all about Spiderman. Just make Miles an interesting character and people will like the movie.

heck for most little kids Miles might end up being their first Spiderman.

Bry

02-11-2015, 10:22 PM

heck for most little kids Miles might end up being their first Spiderman.

He's certainly worthy of it. Peter's death being his "Uncle Ben moment" is a clever twist, and despite their different backgrounds, the similar sense of responsibility and general character traits he has to Peter speak to the universal nature of Spider-Man as a character and concept - he can be anyone. Race, gender - those don't really matter. The heart of the concept, and character, is totally flexible if you get the essentials down.

THGhost

02-11-2015, 10:32 PM

"Insidious Six" is probably referring to these dudes:

http://www.spidermancrawlspace.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/insidious.jpg

Always wondered why they changed the name for that cartoon... Though there were a lot of weird censorship issues back then. I seem to recall that Spider-Man wasn't allowed to punch anyone and cops had to be packing weird-looking laser guns so kids wouldn't mistake them for actual firearms? Wouldn't surprise me if they decided "sinister" was too harsh a word. :roll:

I also remember it never ever using the words "death", "die" or "dead". :lol:

Thank you!

Most people who don't read comics might vaguely know Peter, but that doesn't mean they are gonna dismiss a Spiderman movie just because he's not in it. I mean if they used Miles Morales people will give him a chance because he's still a Spiderman. It's all about Spiderman. Just make Miles an interesting character and people will like the movie.

heck for most little kids Miles might end up being their first Spiderman.

Yeah, because all those awesome cartoons and movies never existed, huh? They definitely know who Peter is. :P and Spider-Man is half about Spider-Man and half about his alter ego, most commonly Peter Parker. It isn't all about Spider-Man.

Last time I checked, Miles has existed since 2011. Marvel & Sony aren't gonna turn their backs on Peter, a character who's existed for decades and has carried the legacy of Spider-Man since his very first appearance.

Don't get me wrong though, seeing Miles on the big screen for a change would be cool. But it isn't going to happen this time and probably won't happen until the next inevitable reboot, whenever that may be.

BabyTurtles

02-11-2015, 11:04 PM

I also remember it never ever using the words "death", "die" or "dead". :lol:

Yeah, because all those awesome cartoons and movies never existed, huh? They definitely know who Peter is. :P and Spider-Man is half about Spider-Man and half about his alter ego, most commonly Peter Parker. It isn't all about Spider-Man.

Last time I checked, Miles has existed since 2011. Marvel & Sony aren't gonna turn their backs on Peter, a character who's existed for decades and has carried the legacy of Spider-Man since his very first appearance.

Don't get me wrong though, seeing Miles on the big screen for a change would be cool. But it isn't going to happen this time and probably won't happen until the next inevitable reboot, whenever that may be.

Why do people think that doing a different Spiderman is backstabbing Peter or something??

It's just doing something fresh....something new....something that isn't Uncle Ben dying for the 100,000th time.

seriously it's not like Peter will cease to exist, I mean having 2 very popular Spidermans can only help right? :)

THGhost

02-11-2015, 11:10 PM

Why do people think that doing a different Spiderman is backstabbing Peter or something??

It's just doing something fresh....something new....something that isn't Uncle Ben dying for the 100,000th time.

seriously it's not like Peter will cease to exist, I mean having 2 very popular Spidermans can only help right? :)

I agree :) But you can't stop others from thinking that. And I'd totally understand if they did.
Even Uncle Ben's death in the first Amazing Spider-Man film felt rushed. :P

Has Miles appeared in the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon? I'm currently watching The Spectacular Spider-Man so I haven't seen it yet. If he hasn't, maybe he should have his own cartoon series someday? That way putting him in a live-action film would make more sense.

BabyTurtles

02-12-2015, 12:05 AM

I agree :) But you can't stop others from thinking that. And I'd totally understand if they did.
Even Uncle Ben's death in the first Amazing Spider-Man film felt rushed. :P

Has Miles appeared in the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon? I'm currently watching The Spectacular Spider-Man so I haven't seen it yet. If he hasn't, maybe he should have his own cartoon series someday? That way putting him in a live-action film would make more sense.

you mean like this?? It was a quick cameo but he appeared~ :D
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Xav

02-12-2015, 12:55 AM

I am too. I had high hopes for Sony's plans for Spiderman. Obviously ASM 3. Insidious 6, Venom.Don't worry the spin-offs are still planned.

ZariusTwo

02-12-2015, 05:07 AM

High School... College... either will do, as long as he's still in some more of education. Although it would be nice to see a grown up Spidey on film for once

When I was a kid, Peter and MJ were expecting a kid. I've been fortunate to read a series where he was a parent (and boy could he be an ass of a dad while still somehow being a devoted and considerate one), but he was retired for the majority of it. With the "Renew Your Vows" story coming up which may offer an insight into what life would have like for Peter if he had'nt sustained his injury and given up the webs while raising a kid, I'm curious if that will stretch out into the climate of the comics post-Secret Wars and lay a foundation that the films can follow

Redeemer

02-12-2015, 11:03 AM

THGhost

02-12-2015, 06:16 PM

I wish they would finish the current trilogy.

Having Marvel help Sony finish it would have been nice. Oh well.

ToTheNines

02-12-2015, 08:35 PM

Now that I've processed all this, I'm more excited about this deal. Marvel's phase 3 lineup looks way better now. 2017 now has Guardians 2, Spidey, and Ragnorok. It's been said that Ragnarok is going to be to phase 3 as Winter Soldier was to phase 2. So I think it's cool that it'll now be the movie directly before Infinity War.

Then Captain Marvel is still in between the two Infinity War parts, so no biggie there. Just gotta wait a few extra months.

Also good to hear the spinoffs are still happening, seems kinda weird that they're even doing them, but I guess they'll tweak them to be more MCU friendly.

THGhost

02-12-2015, 08:38 PM

It's been said that Ragnarok is going to be to phase 3 as Winter Soldier was to phase 2.

I hope so. So far I've been less than impressed with Thor's films. :P

snake

02-12-2015, 08:38 PM

Miles will never be in a movie. Deal with it.

Turo602

02-12-2015, 08:58 PM

Miles will never be in a movie. Deal with it.

Seriously, I don't get why people want to waste such an opportunity by having some second rate Spider-Man team up with The Avengers rather than Peter Parker himself. It's like having a Batman vs Superman movie with alternate lesser versions of the characters. It totally defeats the purpose.

BabyTurtles

02-12-2015, 09:02 PM

Miles will never be in a movie. Deal with it.

https://31.media.tumblr.com/fefe3ab720c6f6cf21f76d7d51867532/tumblr_inline_njor6zo6aq1qdo426.gif
(not trying to start something I just always wanted to use this gif XD)

But seriously no...no I won't deal with it.

NinjaPug

02-12-2015, 09:28 PM

Is the new Spidey movie even part of Phase 3? It's still a 100% Sony production with the exception of having Kevin Feige also producing.

Would Marvel be able to include it in a Phase 3 box set?

Allio

02-12-2015, 11:15 PM

http://news.tokunation.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2015/01/Toei-Spider-Man-Leopardon-Spider-Verse-001.jpg

What's the possibilities?

Candy Kappa

02-13-2015, 02:35 AM

Japanese Spider-Man is the best. 'nuff said.

THGhost

02-13-2015, 07:45 AM

:lol:

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Bry

02-13-2015, 08:20 AM

Miles will never be in a movie. Deal with it.

In a movie as "the" Spider-Man, or in a movie period? Because I'd be shocked if they don't work in a cameo or something as a nod to the character somewhere, at the very least.

Seriously, I don't get why people want to waste such an opportunity by having some second rate Spider-Man team up with The Avengers rather than Peter Parker himself. It's like having a Batman vs Superman movie with alternate lesser versions of the characters. It totally defeats the purpose.

Maybe some of us don't see Miles as "second rate" or "lesser"?

Spider-Man's my favourite superhero period, and I love Peter Parker. But I love Miles too. And I'd like to see them both done justice in the movies. (Of course, I'd also love to see a movie with Dick Grayson as Batman, and my favourite Flash and Green Lantern are Wally West and Kyle Rayner, so...)

Besides - there's a very real possibility that we'll see Bucky as Captain America and Rhodey as Iron Man in the movies at some point. Downey and Evans' contracts are gonna run out eventually, and both have strongly hinted that they don't plan to stick around forever.

ZariusTwo

02-13-2015, 08:22 AM

Seriously, I don't get why people want to waste such an opportunity by having some second rate Spider-Man team up with The Avengers rather than Peter Parker himself.

Gee, I don't know, maybe 'cause Peter is a man-child douche who makes deals with frickin' Satan, sacrifices the love of a committed wife, and aborts two children to save past-their-prime elderly women? You tell me.

Miles will never be in a movie. Deal with it.

He will be. Secret Wars is merging the Ultimate and regular universes together, meaning Miles and Peter will share a reality and history together, you think Marvel are doing that just to generate un-miraculous comic book numbers? EVERYTHING in the books at the moment is aimed at synergy with the movies.

TheSkeletonMan939

02-13-2015, 01:39 PM

Gee, I don't know, maybe 'cause Peter is a man-child douche who makes deals with frickin' Satan, sacrifices the love of a committed wife, and aborts two children to save past-their-prime elderly women? You tell me.

That's not very fair, since a lot comic writers today have more holes in their head than swiss cheese.

Even if it happened in the comics timeline, real writers with real brains wouldn't write good ol' Parker to be like that. Even in the 90s Peter would never have done something as insane as dealing with Mephisto.

I trust the MCU crew to be responsible with Peter Parker, and not just do stupid stuff like the One More Day BS.

MsMarvelDuckie

02-13-2015, 02:06 PM

That's not very fair, since a lot comic writers today have more holes in their head than swiss cheese.

Even if it happened in the comics timeline, real writers with real brains wouldn't write good ol' Parker to be like that. Even in the 90s Peter would never have done something as insane as dealing with Mephisto.

I trust the MCU crew to be responsible with Peter Parker, and not just do stupid stuff like the One More Day BS.

I'll second this. Even JMS- who wrote that storyline- didn't WANT to do it. In fact, he had a completely different ending in mind for OMD and it DIDN'T include Peter giving M-J and his marriage the finger to keep May alive. He only did it because JQ insisted- and he promptly left the book afterward, because even HE knew it sucked! Too bad we'll never seethe REAL ending he had planned.... Peter wasn't/isn't a douche- Joephisto was. And we're still paying for that HUGE error in judgment- that came from the EIC, NOT the writer.

ZariusTwo

02-13-2015, 02:06 PM

Well they may or may not be fixing that whole OMD mess this year with the "Renew Your Vows" story, and Stan Lee keeps him and MJ together in the newspaper strip, so there's that.

The thing is, I would love to believe Marvel will remember the man's name is Parker, and not Pan, I'd love him to grow up in these movies and develop with the audience, but it's going to take a lot to convince me Marvel are the right people, because from what I've seen of the regular books and the recent cartoon...they don't even have a real scooby what to do even if these departments ARE seperate from the films, and I don't think the Marvel movies are "all that" either. Never have.

Turo602

02-13-2015, 04:57 PM

Maybe some of us don't see Miles as "second rate" or "lesser"?

Doesn't mean he isn't.

Gee, I don't know, maybe 'cause Peter is a man-child douche who makes deals with frickin' Satan, sacrifices the love of a committed wife, and aborts two children to save past-their-prime elderly women? You tell me.
I guess that's why he's still the most popular and prominent Spider-Man.

BabyTurtles

02-13-2015, 05:38 PM

Doesn't mean he isn't.

I guess that's why he's still the most popular and prominent Spider-Man.

1) Well, it just means that's your opinion. From what I see online alot of people like Miles.

2) and of course Peter is more popular! He has 60+ years of material and tons of fanboys that don't want anyone to even try taking his place even for one movie. (like many characters...)

man....why can't we have something new? Can we get another Spidey after the 14th reboot for Peter??
no? Your right...not enough Petey....
How bout 100 more Peter reboots? would that be more fair?

...who am I kidding? you guys would still be like
http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/popcrush.com/files/2014/04/Iwantmore.gif

Turo602

02-13-2015, 06:11 PM

1) no, it just means that's your opinion. From what I see online alot of people like Miles.

2) and of course Peter is more popular! He has 60+ years of material and tons of fanboys that don't want anyone to even try taking his place even for one movie.

man....why can't we have something new? Can we get another Spidey after the 14th reboot for Peter??
no? Your right...not enough Petey....
How bout 100 more Peter reboots? would that be more fair?

...who am I kidding? you guys would still be like
http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/popcrush.com/files/2014/04/Iwantmore.gif

Yeah, Miles in Avengers is totally a great idea. Shut up.

BabyTurtles

02-13-2015, 06:23 PM

Yeah, Miles in Avengers is totally a great idea. Shut up.

Let's not start down the "shut up...no! You shut up!" path....it's kinda immature :ohwell: I'll also try to tone down my sarcasm.

and....what's wrong with Miles being an Avenger?? (Wasn't he an Avenger in his comic?? Well actually he was an Ultimate.....Which is pretty much the same thing)

anyway....thinking about it...Miles becomes Spidey because of Peter....so Petey can get another reboot....then later introduce Miles. (after Peter dies or something)

Turo602

02-13-2015, 06:41 PM

Let's not start down the "shut up...no! You shut up!" path....it's kinda immature :ohwell: I'll also try to tone down my sarcasm.

and....what's wrong with Miles being an Avenger?? (Wasn't he an Avenger in his comic?? Well actually he was an Ultimate.....Which is pretty much the same thing)

anyway....thinking about it...Miles becomes Spidey because of Peter....so Petey can get another reboot....then later introduce Miles. (after Peter dies or something)

What's wrong is that we finally have an opportunity to put Spider-Man in The Avengers and a small group of "cool" guys can't be satisfied with it and would rather have an alternate Spider-Man fill the role rather than the one who makes the most logical sense. It took a long time to get to where we are in the MCU and as long as Tony Stark is Iron Man, Steve Rogers is Captain America, Bruce Banner is Hulk, and Thor is still a man, then Peter Parker should still be Spider-Man.

Redeemer

02-13-2015, 06:46 PM

BabyTurtles

02-13-2015, 06:51 PM

What's wrong is that we finally have an opportunity to put Spider-Man in The Avengers and a small group of "cool" guys can't be satisfied with it and would rather have an alternate Spider-Man fill the role rather than the one who makes the most logical sense. It took a long time to get to where we are in the MCU and as long as Tony Stark is Iron Man, Steve Rogers is Captain America, Bruce Banner is Hulk, and Thor is still a man, then Peter Parker should still be Spider-Man.

okay, I get that. You guys want Peter in an Avenger movie.

but saying that Miles should NEVER get to have a movie just cause your afraid of taking the spotlight away from Peter is not fair. :ohwell:

Miles adds diversity
Miles has new stories to tell
Miles doesn't have baggage as a character

Maybe some people just want to see something fresh than something predictable.

TigerClaw

02-13-2015, 07:04 PM

Maybe they can fit Miles Morales in somewhere, I'm sure there's a version of him somewhere in this universe, Maybe they can do a little tease.

Everyone knows Miles Morales, Because of the Ultimate universe, I'm sure there's a version of the character in 616 as well, They can do something with the character in the MCU if they wanted.

Turo602

02-13-2015, 07:15 PM

okay, I get that. You guys want Peter in an Avenger movie.

but saying that Miles should NEVER get to have a movie just cause your afraid of taking the spotlight away from Peter is not fair. :ohwell:

Miles adds diversity
Miles has new stories to tell
Miles doesn't have baggage as a character

Maybe some people just want to see something fresh than something predictable.

I've never said he shouldn't have his own movie ever... Also, Peter has a lot of unused material in the movies for anyone to say he's not fresh. A high school Peter in a universe where other superheroes exist is fresh. How about you see what they end up doing before you say it's not fresh. By your logic, Nolan's Batman trilogy wasn't new and was predictable. I bet Affleck's Batman is going to be the same because he's portraying Bruce Wayne and not some other version of the character.

BabyTurtles

02-13-2015, 10:49 PM

I know that it's extremely unlikely

but if Disney made an animated Miles Morales movie like Big Hero 6 I honestly wouldn't care if he wasn't in a live-action move later...

but what are the chances of Disney making 2 Marvel hero movies about a 14 year old boy...? XD

MsMarvelDuckie

02-13-2015, 11:43 PM

The problem with Miles is that he's really NOT "fresh" or "new", it's a Spidey retread with a different name and ethnicity, but with a very similar origin, powers (except the venom-blasts, which honestly just seem like a re-tread of Spider-WOMAN) and age. In fact, with Miles being even YOUNGER than Peter was originally, it just means we'd have to wait that much longer for him to grow up, and of course, that's the rub- he NEVER WILL. Because comic characters only age about five-ten years, and then stop there and get a reboot and/or ret-con. Talk about being a perpetual man-child!

And Zarius' Peter Pan analogy is unfortunately even more apt with Miles. He'll just be stuck in high-school forever, reliving the same problems ad infinitum, and won't even have the history Peter has to fall back on. He'll never get married and have kids of his own unless it's in a future timeline that will either get erased or will be in an alternate universe, he'll never get to have a job, and he'll never grow beyond a teen-ager inspired to be a hero by someone who held the same mantle before him. He'll FOEVER be in Peter's shadow, even in his own universe.

What some consider "baggage" is actually Peter's rich and complex history, with decades of stories and characters to pull from, including having two clones running around- one of which has at various times tried to KILL him! That's not even counting the side-dramas of characters like Gwen's secret (and shocking) affair with Norman Osborne while Harry was ill after a drug overdose, the resulting kids from that affair, M-J's estrangement, the supposed abduction of their allegedly stillborn daughter, JJJ's axe-grinding and attempts to expose or capture Spidey.... There is so much material to mine. And what does Miles have? A few years worth of stories that mainly involve him taking over for Spidey, and then dealing with the same group of villains as his predecessor. (Haven't read the book itself, just followed a bit of the news on it, but there doesn't seem to be much there that is really "new".)

ZariusTwo

02-14-2015, 03:48 AM

I like Miles, but you raise a good point. Hell there's been noticeable time skips in his comic where his biggest arc was doing...erm, f-all because he sat out months as Spidey when his mother died.

That's not even counting the side-dramas of characters like Gwen's secret (and shocking) affair with Norman Osborne while Harry was ill after a drug overdose, the resulting kids from that affair, M-J's estrangement, the supposed abduction of their allegedly stillborn daughter.

To be fair, I really don't think those aspects are going to be mined at all for these movies. Especially not with the overwhelming Gwen love-in we have now from the public. Hell JMS wanted to wipe out all of that when he pitched the original ending to OMD, Quesada almost agreed with it but was convinced by everyone about to write on ASM after JMS not to do that and they settled on just retconning the marriage and the daughter.

I think Marvel might want to keep Peter just a bit more wholesome and inspirational than that, at least for the next decade or so, and when the actor gets old enough, THEN mine the heavier stuff like Peter and MJ having their kid, Aunt May passing, the Clones emerging, the kid growing up with Peter still active as Spidey etc.

ToTheNines

02-14-2015, 01:25 PM

So what do you guys think the title will be? "Amazing" is out, but Spectacular is still an option (personally against it because the animated series is so special to me, but it's not necessarily a bad idea).

Right now I think it's most likely to be plain old Spider-Man, or Spider-Man: Enter Subtitle Here.

snake

02-14-2015, 01:42 PM

Redeemer

02-14-2015, 04:08 PM

MsMarvelDuckie

02-15-2015, 12:10 AM

Why not use another comic title- "Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man"? Or Peter Parker, Spider-Man? Scarlet Spider? There are plenty of possibilities.

THGhost

02-15-2015, 04:39 PM

Am I the only one thinking this whole Peter vs Miles conversation should be moved to another thread? :P

ToTheNines

02-15-2015, 09:23 PM

Candy Kappa

02-16-2015, 02:11 AM

Why not use another comic title- "Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man"? Or Peter Parker, Spider-Man? Scarlet Spider? There are plenty of possibilities.

I do like Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man, or Web of Spider-Man.

BabyTurtles

02-16-2015, 12:11 PM

I haven't read Ultimate in ages, never a single issue with Miles so I can't really contribute to that conversation. But I do wish everyone would shut the **** up about Donald Glover already.

Dude's gonna be like 33 by the time they film this ish. Get over it.

Donald Glover is too old to play a 13 year old (Miles Morales)

but he did do Miles's voice in Ultimate Spiderman so I think that's good enough :)

Amaranthus

02-16-2015, 02:09 PM

Donald Glover is too old to play a 13 year old (Miles Morales)

but he did do Miles's voice in Ultimate Spiderman so I think that's good enough :)

I just imagined Jaden Smith as Miles Morales.
I may have to get therapy.

MsMarvelDuckie

02-16-2015, 03:53 PM

I do like Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man, or Web of Spider-Man.

Ooh, I forgot Web of! Good catch. And that one's actually got a good ring to it for a movie.

Spike Spiegel

02-16-2015, 06:49 PM

I just imagined Jaden Smith as Miles Morales.

Apparently, you aren't the only one:

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/images/users/uploads/16015/ultispidey.png

The problem with Miles is that he's really NOT "fresh" or "new", it's a Spidey retread with a different name and ethnicity, but with a very similar origin, powers (except the venom-blasts, which honestly just seem like a re-tread of Spider-WOMAN) and age.

That's what I don't understand about the push for "diversity" in comics through replacing/supplanting old characters. The new Power Girl comes to mind in this regard as well.

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6yMBzsCIAA7imm.jpg

Why not just make new characters that happen to be of a certain gender/race/orientation? There was a time when Spider-Man himself was a new creation and not just another archetype.

THGhost

02-16-2015, 07:02 PM

I just imagined Jaden Smith as Miles Morales.
I may have to get therapy.

Apparently, you aren't the only one:

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/images/users/uploads/16015/ultispidey.png

I'm calling a therapist for myself as we speak...

Seriously though, I could totally see Jaden Smith getting the part - if they were going with Miles and not Peter of course. :P

plastroncafe

02-16-2015, 08:09 PM

There was a time when Spider-Man himself was a new creation and not just another archetype.

Except that he wasn't. He was Marvel's Batman.

MsMarvelDuckie

02-16-2015, 10:12 PM

Batman? Hardly. That honor goes to Tony Stark. Spidey really doesn't have a DC analog, persona-wise OR in powers or "gimmick". The only thing in common he had with Bats is the death of a loved one/parental figure- and there are plenty of heroes who have a similar background. If I had to dig for the closets "match" for Spidey- it would be Robin, though more nerdy and with actual powers.

THGhost

02-17-2015, 08:49 AM

I was thinking the same thing about Tony Stark.

Growing up I always thought of The Flash as the Spidey of DC. I never really watched anything DC-related besides Batman, so I didn't know that much about The Flash other than that he was fast, wore red and was a kind of a wiseguy.

Bry

02-17-2015, 09:20 AM

That's what I don't understand about the push for "diversity" in comics through replacing/supplanting old characters. The new Power Girl comes to mind in this regard as well.

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6yMBzsCIAA7imm.jpg

Why not just make new characters that happen to be of a certain gender/race/orientation? There was a time when Spider-Man himself was a new creation and not just another archetype.

Well, ideally they would, but it's a very different playing field now than it was in 1962. The most popular superheroes were created at times when there were far less characters competing for visibility and sales, and there weren't anywhere near as many "icons" that got almost all of the attention (from the fans and publishers) by default. If an entirely new character got as much attention and interest as "New Spider-Man", "New Ms. Marvel" or "New Power Girl", I'm sure they'd be doing that. But a lot of fans have shown there's only so much change they're willing to accept.

I don't see "diversifying" as a bad thing at all, though. Let's face it - these characters and their world were created in a time before the civil rights movement had been widely accepted, much less won, and that silver age focus was pretty narrow. The line's a lot more diverse now, but the "top tier" characters all tend to be straight white men. So I think it's at least worth asking, "which of these characters have to stay that way?"

Amaranthus

02-17-2015, 09:25 AM

I'm calling a therapist for myself as we speak...

Seriously though, I could totally see Jaden Smith getting the part - if they were going with Miles and not Peter of course. :P

He'll defeat his enemies with pure stupidity.
http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/jaden-smith-tweets.jpg

NinjaPug

02-17-2015, 09:43 AM

Lol at the possibility of Jaden Smith as Spidey. His dad doesn't have enough money to get him that role.

Spike Spiegel

02-17-2015, 12:31 PM

Lol at the possibility of Jaden Smith as Spidey. His dad doesn't have enough money to get him that role.

He'd have to somehow convince us to "forget" the less-than-stellar performances we've seen from the lad.

http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mav4r8EOuN1r1mtsdo1_500.gif

BabyTurtles

02-17-2015, 12:34 PM

He'd have to somehow convince us to "forget" the less-than-stellar performances we've seen from the lad.

http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mav4r8EOuN1r1mtsdo1_500.gif

well....I liked him in Karate Kid....and Pursuit of Happiness if that even counts XD.....(still not sure if I'd pick him for Miles though..)

Candy Kappa

02-17-2015, 12:38 PM

Jaden wasn't bad in Kung-Fu Kid, haven't seen that sci-fi he did with Will, but. I haven't heard any good about it.

He certainly would look young enough for playing a future Peter Parker

MsMarvelDuckie

02-20-2015, 11:04 PM

I don't see "diversifying" as a bad thing at all, though. Let's face it - these characters and their world were created in a time before the civil rights movement had been widely accepted, much less won, and that silver age focus was pretty narrow. The line's a lot more diverse now, but the "top tier" characters all tend to be straight white men. So I think it's at least worth asking, "which of these characters have to stay that way?"

And yet some of the most interesting iconic characters are not white guys at all. Ms. Marvel (my namesake), Black Panther, Luke Cage, Falcon, Black Widow, Cannonball, and Ultimate MU's Nick Fury are among just a few who are both popular, and either non-white or non-male. Or both, in the case of Colleen Wing or Psylocke.

Spike Spiegel

02-21-2015, 12:35 AM

And yet some of the most interesting iconic characters are not white guys at all. Ms. Marvel (my namesake), Black Panther, Luke Cage, Falcon, Black Widow, Cannonball, and Ultimate MU's Nick Fury are among just a few who are both popular, and either non-white or non-male. Or both, in the case of Colleen Wing or Psylocke.

I think if any character, no matter their demographic details, is promoted enough and written well enough, they can have a strong fanbase. Sure, there'll always be people who have the knee jerk reaction of "they just put a ______ type of person in here to be topical, who cares," but those people don't represent the entirety of the readership.

Here's a quote from the late Dwayne McDuffie concerning the birth of Milestone Comics in the '90s. McDuffie has created or co-created a lot of diverse characters in superhero comics.

"If you do a black character or a female character or an Asian character, then they aren't just that character. They represent that race or that sex, and they can't be interesting because everything they do has to represent an entire block of people. You know, Superman isn't all white people and neither is Lex Luthor. We knew we had to present a range of characters within each ethnic group, which means that we couldn't do just one book. We had to do a series of books and we had to present a view of the world that's wider than the world we've seen before."

If you treat those characters as being just as worthy of promotion as an existing one like Spider-Man or Batman, you are telling your readers that the humanity/heroism of those characters is equally relevant and meaningful. After all, a lot of comic geeks complain about the implicit status quo rule in most series. So why not make new heroes?

MsMarvelDuckie

02-21-2015, 12:55 AM

I think if any character, no matter their demographic details, is promoted enough and written well enough, they can have a strong fanbase. Sure, there'll always be people who have the knee jerk reaction of "they just put a ______ type of person in here to be topical, who cares," but those people don't represent the entirety of the readership.

Here's a quote from the late Dwayne McDuffie concerning the birth of Milestone Comics in the '90s. McDuffie has created or co-created a lot of diverse characters in superhero comics.

If you treat those characters as being just as worthy of promotion as an existing one like Spider-Man or Batman, you are telling your readers that the humanity/heroism of those characters is equally relevant and meaningful. After all, a lot of comic geeks complain about the implicit status quo rule in most series. So why not make new heroes?

That was sort of my point, actually. It hardly matters what race or gender a superhero is, as long as they're relatable and interesting. And at one time, ALL those characters were "new"!

THGhost

02-21-2015, 05:27 PM

Now there's a rumour that the next Spidey will in fact be black, or even Latino.

http://comicplanetcultureforlife.com/2015/02/21/hot-rumor-new-spider-man-will-not-be-peter-parker/

NinjaPug

02-21-2015, 05:47 PM

Lol at using Jeff Sneider as their source on that.

THGhost

02-21-2015, 06:03 PM

Lol at using Jeff Sneider as their source on that.

Like I said; rumour. :lol:

MsMarvelDuckie

02-22-2015, 01:07 AM

LOL, does that mean we could get Miguel O'Hara (AKA Spider-Man 2099)?? That could be cool!

TheSkeletonMan939

02-22-2015, 11:29 AM

LOL, does that mean we could get Miguel O'Hara (AKA Spider-Man 2099)?? That could be cool!

I'd love to see that as a television show rather than a film.

A TV show would give them a wider world to work with, since they would have so much more ground to cover with 13 40-minute episodes than a 2-hour movie.

BabyTurtles

02-22-2015, 12:47 PM

Now there's a rumour that the next Spidey will in fact be black, or even Latino.

http://comicplanetcultureforlife.com/2015/02/21/hot-rumor-new-spider-man-will-not-be-peter-parker/

I really wish it was true but I'm not gonna give my hopes up :(

but "black or even Latino" That's gotta be Miles...I mean he's both :D

Spike Spiegel

02-22-2015, 01:23 PM

LOL, does that mean we could get Miguel O'Hara (AKA Spider-Man 2099)?? That could be cool!

That's actually what "Spider-Man Unlimited" (1999) was originally supposed to be.

THGhost

02-22-2015, 06:12 PM

A TV show would give them a wider world to work with, since they would have so much more ground to cover with 13 40-minute episodes than a 2-hour movie.

Agreed. Lets just hope we get more than 2 Spider-Man movies this time around. :P

Bry

02-24-2015, 08:14 AM

And yet some of the most interesting iconic characters are not white guys at all. Ms. Marvel (my namesake), Black Panther, Luke Cage, Falcon, Black Widow, Cannonball, and Ultimate MU's Nick Fury are among just a few who are both popular, and either non-white or non-male. Or both, in the case of Colleen Wing or Psylocke.

Oh, I agree with you. They're great characters, and many of them have long, interesting, and compelling histories and an absolute ton of potential to be big "names". But how many woman/PoC superhero characters get the spotlight without piggybacking off of a more "famous"/"popular" straight white male character? So I have to wonder: is it that a large number of fans aren't open to newer/more diverse characters, the companies/studios don't believe they are, or some depressing combination of the two?

Not arguing at all that the SWM characters are "better" by any means. They're just considered iconic. They get the majority of the attention because they've been seen that way for decades, and their times of creation just happened to be at periods where diverse representation was a rarity. For that reason alone, I think it's worth asking whether a 50+ year old character needs to be a straight white guy.

I'm not saying it should be this way. Every icon was a new creation at one point, and every good character has the potential to be an icon. But it's a crowded market where everybody already knows Batman, Superman, Spider-Man, Iron Man and Wolverine, and because of that their owners are going to keep prioritizing those characters to make as much money as possible. It's just not an even playing field. So when someone says "don't change existing character, use new ones", I feel there's a kind of blindness/disconnect to the reality of the situation. Sure, that's a fine ideal. But if the system in place means it's not likely to happen or work (even if that's largely due to corporate laziness)... then what?

That said: Marvel's doing a better job than most at pushing newer/more diverse characters -- not a perfect job, or even a particularly great one at times, but better -- but not every corporate entity has that kind of forward thinking.

NinjaPug

02-24-2015, 12:24 PM

Well, this is just f'in great. Sony hired Tom Rothman to run their movie division.

Hope this doesn't impact the Spidey movies too much.

Creativemind

02-24-2015, 02:08 PM

If they go the Miles Morales route I will no longer pay to see Marvel movies. Peter Parker needs to get the Marvel treatment first. We still haven't been given a good version of Venom or any of Carnage either. Plus Peter was in the Civil War story line not Miles.

ZariusTwo

02-24-2015, 02:11 PM

We still haven't been given a good version of Venom or any of Carnage.

People still care about those two?

Plus Peter was in the Civil War story line not Miles.

Yes. And Peter was woefully out-of-character in it (along with just about everyone else). He realistically would never have unmasked with the amount of responsibilities he was juggling. Miles I could totally see being youthful and innocent enough to buy into the registration act

MsMarvelDuckie

02-24-2015, 03:25 PM

People still care about those two?

Yes. And Peter was woefully out-of-character in it (along with just about everyone else). He realistically would never have unmasked with the amount of responsibilities he was juggling. Miles I could totally see being youthful and innocent enough to buy into the registration act

Agreed on both counts. And yes Venom and Carnage both have pretty large fanbases. As for Peter being OOC I can still see WHY they did that. Tony had convinced him that his family would be safe in Avengers Tower. But then Chameleon got in disguised as Peter and only his AUNT realized it wasn't him! Talk about a failure in security. That's when Peter realized he had made a mistake and the Act was flawed.

TigerClaw

02-24-2015, 03:48 PM

I don't think anyone posted about this, But Tom Rothman is the new head of Sony Pictures, Since Amy Pascal stepped down. Tom Rothman was an Exec for 20th Century Fox back in the days, And was responsible for the X-Men movies. He was often blamed for the problems with X-Men: The Last Stand, X-Men Origins Wolverine and the Fantastic Four movies.
http://variety.com/2015/film/news/tom-rothman-named-head-of-sony-motion-picture-group-1201440509/

TurtleTitan97

02-24-2015, 03:58 PM

I don't think anyone posted about this, But Tom Rothman is the new head of Sony Pictures

Check the four posts above you.

Bry

02-24-2015, 04:27 PM

THGhost

02-25-2015, 02:31 PM

We still haven't been given a good version of Venom or any of Carnage either.

People still care about those two?

They're only 2 of Spider-Man's most popular villains. :roll:

Amaranthus

02-25-2015, 02:32 PM

They're only 2 of Spider-Man's most popular villains. :roll:

I want them to get Green Goblin right for once.

ZariusTwo

02-25-2015, 03:02 PM

They're only 2 of Spider-Man's most popular villains. :roll:

And they haven't had a relevant story in years. Venom goes through so many hosts and switches from good to bad so frequently he's stopped being unique and Kletus never recovered from his peak story Maximum Carnage

Turo602

02-25-2015, 11:26 PM

MsMarvelDuckie

02-26-2015, 02:03 AM

And they haven't had a relevant story in years. Venom goes through so many hosts and switches from good to bad so frequently he's stopped being unique and Kletus never recovered from his peak story Maximum Carnage

Aren't you forgetting about the Venom vs. Carnage arc? Or Toxin's creation? They still have some relevant stories, but Carnage has never even been depicted in a movie, and he would most certainly make a nasty, dangerous villain.

ZariusTwo

02-26-2015, 06:25 AM

Aren't you forgetting about the Venom vs. Carnage arc? Or Toxin's creation?.

Nobody in the mainstream knows who the f*ck Toxin is.

Bry

02-26-2015, 09:44 AM

Some new details about the Marvel/Sony arrangement have surfaced:

Yesterday's news about Tom Rothman (someone whose track record with superhero properties is not good thanks to his tenure at Fox) taking over from Amy Pascal worried a lot of Spider-Man fans. To put it bluntly, pretty much everyone was wondering, "Is he going to f**k up the deal with Marvel?!" Based on a report over at Latino-Review, probably not! They reiterate that Avi Arad and Matt Tolomach are producers in name only, adding: "We have information from a source suggesting there is no financial involvement whatsoever and no direct creative control over Spidey coming from the old guard. Amy Pascal still has a say in the Mom-and-Pop arrangement she has with Feige, but Disney didn’t want to unite Pearlmutter, Arad and Feige in earnest. This is the solution. What does that mean? It means Marvel might have a bit more control than we thought. It means the new Spider-Man has been insulated from BOTH Avi Arad and new Sony head, superhero property curse, Tom Rothman." This is obviously very good news, and backs up a lot of what we've been hearing over the past few weeks. Share your thoughts in the usual place!

If true, this is the best possible news I could ask for. Hiring Tom Rothman (who's responsible for some of the worst recent superhero movies) was a sign that Sony hadn't learned anything from their bungling of this franchise, so if he's been effectively shut out of the final decisions on this, I'm gonna sigh with relief.

NinjaPug

03-02-2015, 06:02 PM

Please let this be true. I love Drew Goddard and think he'd be a great hire for Spidey.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/spider-man-reboot-circling-director-778614

MikeandRaph87

03-02-2015, 06:34 PM

According to this he is denying the rumor. However, you remember how Jason Momoa did denied his casting as Aquaman for awhile.

What is the status of the Sinister Six film?

I thought that it was still in the works and would conclude this version of Spider-Man?

ToTheNines

03-02-2015, 09:45 PM

Please let this be true. I love Drew Goddard and think he'd be a great hire for Spidey.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/spider-man-reboot-circling-director-778614

Some more details and rumors here: http://m.ign.com/articles/2015/03/02/drew-goddard-rumored-to-write-and-direct-spider-man-reboot

I kinda like that it might be called Spectacular. I'd be a little shocked if they had him fight the sinister six in the first one, but it could work. Not sure how I feel about it opening with him fighting Iron-Man, especially if it's post civil war... but I guess they could figure out a way to link Stark to Norman Osborn.

We'll see.

MikeandRaph87

03-13-2015, 08:51 PM

Director has been announced, Drew Goodard and Iron Man is tentative to appear. Thoughts?
http://www.stack.com/2015/03/13/spider-man-iron-man-director/?utm_source=yahoo

Redeemer

03-13-2015, 09:48 PM

wow interesting to say the least.

THGhost

03-24-2015, 11:48 AM

16-year-old Mateus Ward is on the list of actors auditioning for the new Spider-Man. He's white. Bye bye, Miles Morales. :P

NinjaPug

04-11-2015, 01:26 PM

Feige confirms they're going the Peter Parker route. Thank goodness.

http://collider.com/spider-man-kevin-feige-confirms-peter-parker-in-high-school/

ZariusTwo

04-11-2015, 01:29 PM

The persistent revisionist history of "Peter's best days were in High School" pesters me as much as the idealization of Gwen "I'm only really memorable for my death" Stacy. Peter was never in High School for that long. USM? Oh sure, but Lee/Ditko? Nope, he graduated before the book even hit the #40 issue mark

TheSkeletonMan939

04-11-2015, 01:31 PM

In high school? AGAIN?

Uggghhh

Amaranthus

04-11-2015, 03:12 PM

I don't know about you guys. But I'm not ready for yet another "Peter gets powers and uncle Ben dies" moment.

ZariusTwo

04-11-2015, 03:16 PM

I don't know about you guys. But I'm not ready for yet another "Peter gets powers and uncle Ben dies" moment.

They've already said they're not doing an origin story. In fact, no Marvel movie going forward is said to be an origin story.

Amaranthus

04-11-2015, 03:18 PM

They've already said they're not doing an origin story. In fact, no Marvel movie going forward is said to be an origin story.

I didn't read it. I'm sorry.

BabyTurtles

04-11-2015, 07:10 PM

yay....Peter again...oh well

At least now they can have a chance to kill him off so Miles can properly to take over instead of Miles just being Spiderman first.

If they EVER give another Spidey-person a chance.

MikeandRaph87

04-11-2015, 07:15 PM

I am glad it confirmed the origin will be skipped over. However, he already graduated from high school twice in movies. I would have liked Stan Lee to have kept Peter in high school longer than 28 issues but I would like to see him starting out at ESU.

Leo656

04-11-2015, 07:25 PM

TheSkeletonMan939

04-11-2015, 07:37 PM

The internet is fun, because you can say things like "I can't wait for them to kill off the white character and replace him with a minority character." Where if you say the reverse, you probably end up on a watch list somewhere. :lol:

My thoughts exactly. :P

I'm thinking the reason they'll start Peter young and in high school in this version is so that they can keep him in as many movies as they want in the far future.

Not like RDJ who's getting older and older.

Turo602

04-11-2015, 09:49 PM

Are people really so spoiled these days that they bitch about a superhero being who they're supposed to be?

BabyTurtles

04-11-2015, 10:14 PM

The internet is fun, because you can say things like "I can't wait for them to kill off the white character and replace him with a minority character." Where if you say the reverse, you probably end up on a watch list somewhere. :lol:

who said that?

Look I just want Miles because I enjoy him and because I'm really REALLY REALLY tired of seeing Peter's life.

I kinda hoped he would just be an Avenger already (and go play with a team) and maybe Miles could take over the solo Spider-man movies.

(I wouldn't mind a Spider-women movie either)

but ya know....fanboys would rage cause "That isn't Spider-man! There's only 1 Spider-man! not like there's a bajillion different Robins or Flashes or Ant-mans or Green Lanterns"

but for some reason....Spidey is untouchable.

Leo656

04-11-2015, 10:54 PM

who said that?

You. :tgrin:

At least now they can have a chance to kill him off so Miles can properly to take over instead of Miles just being Spiderman first.

See? :tgrin:

I mean I knew what you were trying to say, I just thought the way you said it was funny. Because if you flip that sentence inside-out, oh man, it doesn't come off so innocent. :lol: But I knew what you were getting at.

I'm kinda just teasing anyways, but I also don't think the general public cares much about "Affirmative Action Spider-Man". I mean I personally don't really see Spidey as a "legacy" character, anyways; I think there's a very specific way you can do that so that the audience at large will buy it, and so it's not just "another guy wearing the suit", and I kind of never saw Spidey as being one of those characters. Like, Batman always had sidekicks, so it makes sense that one day, one of them would be Batman, and have their own Robin, etc. Or that one Flash would pass it on to someone in their family who inherited the power. All that stuff is long-established within their respective mythologies. To my knowledge, the only character who could take over for Parker and have it make any real sense is a daughter that hasn't been born yet and only even exists in certain possible futures. But even then, there's a strong connection with the original character that makes it a "legacy" and not just a costume. What they're doing with Spidey and other characters in comics nowadays isn't like that at all; it's just "We need to shake things up. Stick the suit on someone else. And to be really neat, try and make them as dissimilar as possible to the first guy." It doesn't ring true, to me, just feels like a gimmick. Like, Batman handing the gig over to Grayson makes sense. If someone like, Booster Gold started wearing the suit, calling himself Batman... well, sure, he technically could, but it'd be kind of stupid and he'd have no GOOD reason for it. He wouldn't really be Batman, just some dude calling himself that.

To a lot of folks, "That guy had his turn" isn't a good enough reason to replace someone they like and are familiar with, especially if they still think there are good stories with that character that are yet to be told. So, yeah, there's a few reasons why not everyone thinks Spidey can or should be just a suit full of different guys. They're always gonna prefer to see "the real guy" over the replacement. You watch the Stooges, you want Curly, Larry and Moe. Nobody wants a Shemp! :lol:

Me? I'm personally not tired of seeing Parker's life in movies - especially since only half of them were any good, in my opinion, and I'd like to see them improve before they panic and scrap everything - but I am kinda tired of seeing the same six months or so of his life played out in movies. We're in agreement on that, for sure. :) But there's still plenty of stuff they could do that I'd love to see. There's plenty of life left in Peter on screen; the writers just need to get out of that "Year One" rut they're in.

Also, the Green Lanterns are like a police force or marine corps. By definition there are a million of 'em. Totally different scenario there. :) That's not even a "legacy" character, that's just, "I'm a space cop, this is my standard-issue space cop uniform that we all wear." :trazz:

BabyTurtles

04-11-2015, 11:21 PM

See? :tgrin:

I'm kinda just teasing anyways, but I also don't think the general public cares much about "Affirmative Action Spider-Man".

Hold up a second.

What makes him "Affirmative action Spider-man" exactly?

let me guess...the fact that he's not white?

cause all non-white heroes that happen to take over another hero as a legacy will be considered as affirmative action.

It sure is nice being a minority and finally having a character that looks like you just to be called affirmative action or a PC ploy.

It feels real good.

I'm sorry...I just hear that all the time, it makes me upset.

Leo656

04-11-2015, 11:26 PM

BabyTurtles

04-11-2015, 11:52 PM

Iiiii know, I was just razzing ya. It was kind of too easy a joke, I admit. Like ya said, though, I'm hardly the first. Wasn't anything personal. Sometimes I just like to take a swing at the ones that are just kinda hanging there.

Wait a minute didn't already have this kind of conversation XD............I think it was when we were talking about Vixen?? lol

Leo656

04-12-2015, 12:00 AM

Yep. Not gonna lie, I kinda pitched the Spidey joke out there because I knew you'd swing at it.

I'm terrible, I know. :tgrin: Ants at a picnic, I am.

BabyTurtles

04-12-2015, 12:28 AM

Yep. Not gonna lie, I kinda pitched the Spidey joke out there because I knew you'd swing at it.

I'm terrible, I know. :tgrin: Ants at a picnic, I am.

and I fell for it
http://24.media.tumblr.com/d9d41733f722b05dc2b9394230422835/tumblr_mvl2w3zWl41shdz6wo2_500.gif

I feel like I lost a battle or something.

look, I don't have time to defend a character that I can and will defend all day long! No time!!

Leo656

04-12-2015, 12:41 AM

To be fair, I really do bring out the worst in everyone. So it's not really all your fault! :tgrin:

MsMarvelDuckie

04-12-2015, 01:15 AM

Leo656

04-12-2015, 01:32 AM

Kinda reminds me of when Superman had a mullet, and I was the only one who cared. :ohwell:

I mean... it was 1993! It was still semi-fashionable! For like... a few more weeks... and he only had it until... like... 1997... so... not... that bad? Maybe?

BabyTurtles

04-12-2015, 01:46 AM

I have to admit, I don't have any interest in a Miles-Spider, either. Nor does MOST of the fan-base, or the general public. Miles is a character who appeals to MAYBE about 1/4 of the Spider-fans. Probably being generous, there, but there it is. The rest of the world is just going to look at it as a cheap gimmick replacement and call shenanigans. It's sad, but true.

Hmm well I guess most of the fandom is gonna be ticked off at the fact that Miles is gonna be the Spidey Avenger after Secret wars. (unless there is more than one Avengers comic coming out)

I don't know what they were thinking if Miles wasn't liked.

Leo656

04-12-2015, 02:47 AM

They were thinking that if they didn't put him in the book, you'd bombard them with sassy gifs! :tgrin::tgrin::tgrin:

BabyTurtles

04-12-2015, 03:33 AM

They were thinking that if they didn't put him in the book, you'd bombard them with sassy gifs! :tgrin::tgrin::tgrin:

You bet I would.

https://38.media.tumblr.com/1a9385ab2b793360db6de3983764c877/tumblr_mmnnxlQtJa1rj7ixeo1_500.gif

NinjaPug

04-22-2015, 07:35 PM

CyberCubed

04-22-2015, 07:39 PM

They look so ugly especially with the green eyes. They remind me of those British posh singers, what were their names again? Windie or something? One direction?

I think the guy right above Spiderman's pic is probably the best choice.

ToTheNines

04-22-2015, 07:44 PM

They remind me of those British posh singers

The **** are you talking about?

NinjaPug

04-22-2015, 09:04 PM

Lord & Miller are doing an animated Spider-Man movie that won't be set in continuity with the new reboot

http://variety.com/2015/film/news/spider-man-animated-movie-coming-in-2018-1201477933/

BabyTurtles

04-22-2015, 09:58 PM

Lord & Miller are doing an animated Spider-Man movie that won't be set in continuity with the new reboot

http://variety.com/2015/film/news/spider-man-animated-movie-coming-in-2018-1201477933/

......whaa......an animated movie...with a live action movie??

can the animated movie at least be about Miles to shake it up....cause that's alot of Peter.

I can't resist animated movies so I'll totally see it XD

MsMarvelDuckie

04-22-2015, 10:28 PM

Update on the casting. These five are rumored to be in the running.

http://p1cdn01.thewrap.com/images/2015/04/spider-man-shortlist.jpg

http://www.thewrap.com/spider-man-shortlist-includes-paper-towns-star-nat-wolff-hugos-asa-butterfield-exclusive/

I don't know who ANY of them are, but the first one on top looks like the best choice, IMHO. Peter's not a "pretty-boy", he's the "every-man". That guy looks closest to that "face in the crowd" kind of guy. Whether he can ACT remains to be seen.

Which is also one of the reasons Miles will never work as Spidey long-term. He's not an "everyman", he's the "replacement/next-gen type. With an affirmative action cred....

BabyTurtles

04-22-2015, 10:35 PM

I don't know who ANY of them are, but the first one on top looks like the best choice, IMHO. Peter's not a "pretty-boy", he's the "every-man". That guy looks closest to that "face in the crowd" kind of guy. Whether he can ACT remains to be seen.

Which is also one of the reasons Miles will never work as Spidey long-term. He's not an "everyman", he's the "replacement/next-gen type. With an affirmative action cred....

hold up hold up.....why isn't Miles an "everyman" again?

and please let's not start that affirmative action/PC stuff.

just because a person takes over the mantle of a superhero and he doesn't happen to be white doesn't make it affirmative action if anything it's more realistic. What are the chances of another white dude getting bit by a spider.

Cure

04-22-2015, 10:44 PM

Considering white people are the majority, I'd say the chances are high it'd be another white dude.

MsMarvelDuckie

04-22-2015, 11:16 PM

hold up hold up.....why isn't Miles an "everyman" again?

and please let's not start that affirmative action/PC stuff.

just because a person takes over the mantle of a superhero and he doesn't happen to be white doesn't make it affirmative action if anything it's more realistic. What are the chances of another white dude getting bit by a spider.

Peter is and has always been the ordinary, random guy that nobody would look twice at if he passed on the street, who also happens to be a nerd, but nobody would ever know that just from seeing him at a distance, or even on first meeting. (Unless he drops a "nerd-bomb" of some sort of obscure pop-culture or science reference.) He's basically "normal" (outwardly) in most respects, so much so that he's been ignored by villains when seen out of "uniform" on many occasions. Ock has brushed him off as unimportant more than once, and so have many other villains. Only the ones who KNOW his secret (GG, Kraven, Venom) have ever paid him much attention AS Peter.

Contrast with Miles, who by his minority status alone is automatically more noticeable, and would only "blend" into a crowd in a heavily minority-populated neighborhood. Peter's upbringing in a middle-class, semi-suburban home, also makes him more "unremarkable". Can't say the same for Miles, sadly, no matter what his upbringing. People will automatically remember "he's black" before ANYTHING else. I'm not saying this to be racist, but it's pretty much a point against him that while Peter is just the "white guy with average build, brown hair, and not especially tall/short", (which could describe the vast majority of US men) Miles is OBVIOUSLY "a skinny black kid" who would be more likely to be remembered in better detail by those who might see him in Spider-Man's vicinity, or worse, villains who see him repeatedly out of costume either before or after a fight would be more likely to put the pieces together for that reason. Basically, he's easier to pick out of a crowd.

Peter's presence has also always been much easier to explain- he's a photographer working for a newspaper, a job that takes him all over the city. Miles? He's a KID, who SHOULD be in school. That's much harder to explain, and his being in so many places near Spidey is more likely to raise flags with anyone who sees him, especially when people realize that the "new" Spidey is ALSO young and skinny. It's like all those years where Superman was hiding in plain sight, and no one noticed??!! Miles shows up somewhere, a villain appears, Miles disappears and suddenly a YOUNG skinny Spidey shows up? At least Peter always had the excuse that he was getting pics or finding help. Or both. And that's not even going into the issue of costume tears. Harder to hide the fact that you're a minority when skin shows through rips.

Back when Peter was in high school, he can dangerously close to being caught out several times, which is probably why Stan and Ditko moved him on to college years fairly early on. That wouldn't work now, because of the interconnectedness of Marvel comics currently. Miles would have to suddenly age SEVERAL years, and even that would be noticeable. It just doesn't work for the story, and it's harder to find reasons for him to be wherever the villains are, because he SHOULD still be in school!

plastroncafe

04-22-2015, 11:24 PM

"White male as default" is a concept that can't die fast enough.

MsMarvelDuckie

04-22-2015, 11:30 PM

Why? Because it's a trait of the majority of people in this country? Or because it's just not inclusive enough? I'm all for ORIGINAL minority characters, but to just take an ESTABLISHED one and either kill them off or retire them just to put in a younger minority version? With the SAME origin??!! That's lazy writing. Let's just black/red/yellow/brown/green-wash EVERY established comic book character while we're at it!

plastroncafe

04-22-2015, 11:35 PM

1) False equivalency. This Jar Is Full of Major Characters (http://timemachineyeah.tumblr.com/post/58648290519/this-is-a-jar-full-of-major-characters)

2) The majority of this country isn't white and male.

3) Spider-Man takes place in New York City, one of the most diverse cities on the planet. Myles' face wouldn't stick out in a crowd. In fact, depending on which neighborhood you're in, it's Peter who would stand out.

CyberCubed

04-22-2015, 11:37 PM

2) The majority of this country isn't white and male.

Pretty sure white men outnumber minorities. Do you have census data?

plastroncafe

04-22-2015, 11:41 PM

Pretty sure white men outnumber minorities. Do you have census data?

Women outnumber men.

Male 138,053,563 49.1
Female 143,368,343 50.9
http://www.infoplease.com/us/census/data/demographic.html

CyberCubed

04-22-2015, 11:47 PM

Well male superheroes will always get better treatment than female superheroes in movies, so its no a surprise. Nobody expects a Spider-Girl in Avengers over Peter Parker Spiderman, do they?

BabyTurtles

04-22-2015, 11:48 PM

Contrast with Miles, who by his minority status alone is automatically more noticeable, and would only "blend" into a crowd in a heavily minority-populated neighborhood. Peter's upbringing in a middle-class, semi-suburban home, also makes him more "unremarkable". Can't say the same for Miles, sadly, no matter what his upbringing. People will automatically remember "he's black" before ANYTHING else. I'm not saying this to be racist, but it's pretty much a point against him that while Peter is just the "white guy with average build, brown hair, and not especially tall/short", (which could describe the vast majority of US men) Miles is OBVIOUSLY "a skinny black kid" who would be more likely to be remembered in better detail by those who might see him in Spider-Man's vicinity, or worse, villains who see him repeatedly out of costume either before or after a fight would be more likely to put the pieces together for that reason. Basically, he's easier to pick out of a crowd.

So Miles is less relatable because he is black.

you know.... this is EXACTLY the reason WHY we need characters like Miles

so we can get the idea of "the black character" out of our heads. The more we have the more ORDINARY as you put it....it will be.

we have to start somewhere.

CyberCubed

04-22-2015, 11:50 PM

So Miles is less relatable because he is black.

you know.... this is EXACTLY the reason WHY we need characters like Miles

so we can get the idea of "the black character" out of our heads. The more we have the more ORDINARY as you put it....it will be.

The only reason Miles was created was for tokenism. Just like they introduce gay characters in comics just for the sake of saying there's a gay character now. Iceman just came out as gay in the recent X-men comics out of nowhere.

plastroncafe

04-22-2015, 11:53 PM

I'm going to start saying every new white male character is a blatant pandering to a minority demographic.

Leo656

04-22-2015, 11:54 PM

What if I said that most women would have enough common sense to NOT be super-heroes, and that's why there are fewer of them? Is that still offensive?

I kind of don't "buy" female super-heroes because it seems like a thing that only guys would wanna do. Guys or indestructible Amazon princesses. Like, I *like* Black Canary, but I don't *believe* Black Canary, y'know?

I'unno; you're young, you're fit, you're pretty, you might want kids one day... seems like the absolute last thing you'd ever wanna do is put on some fishnets and heels and punch muggers and rapists in the face. Seems like a pretty good way to get killed. Guys see a dude in a cape jumping off a roof, they go "Ahhh, that's cool! I wanna do that!" Because guys are kind of stupid. Most girls, I think, would not engage in pursuits of a super-heroic nature.

I mean, a few of the nutty chicks might, but they'd probably end up turning heel sooner or later anyway, on account of their chemical imbalance which makes them so unstable so as to put on fancy dress and punch people in the first place.

In brief, I'm fine with most super-heroes being men because I think most chicks would know better. Is that offensive, or supportive?

I know we were mostly discussing racial minorities as super-heroes, but I had a more immediate thought with regards to females.

plastroncafe

04-22-2015, 11:59 PM

I'd call it offensive, but the last thing I need is Cyber going all LemonGrab on me.
Women aren't smarter. Men aren't stupider. That's outdated binary gender role talk that keeps everyone down.

One of the things I prefer about the Marvel Universe, as opposed to DC, is that there is so much variation. That they haven't gone out of their way to unify their universes, or well...not yet at least. That there's room to change, and people can play with characters in a much more creative way.

I love that we have two Hawkeyes. That Wolverine is Logan and Patch. That Ms Marvel can be Captain Marvel opening Ms Marvel up to be someone else is awesome. I don't even like all the Ultimates books, but I love that they're there. Keeping everything in pristine condition is boring. Peter Parker always being Spider-Man, always working for the Bugle, and always being in that nebulous "young adult" age is boring.

BabyTurtles

04-23-2015, 12:01 AM

I'm going to start saying every new white male character is a blatant pandering to a minority demographic.

hmm, Me too.

CyberCubed

04-23-2015, 12:01 AM

BabyTurtles

04-23-2015, 12:07 AM

The only woman superhero I ever bought was Wonder Woman simply because she lived on an Amazon island all her life and her upbringing was about being a warrior. Same for some of the alien women characters like Supergirl, Miss Martian, etc. because they're overpowered compared to normal humans.

As much as I like characters such as Batgirl, etc....she really makes no sense. Sure her Dad is the Commissioner but why would she want to fight crime in a cape rather than becoming a cop herself?

...........why does Batman want to wear a cape rather then be a detective?

this is stupid....girls aren't some different species.

we want to be superheroes too, and we shouldn't have to justify why we want to be one or if we'd make sense being one.

Leo656

04-23-2015, 12:15 AM

this is stupid....girls aren't some different species.

HAH. Truly spoken as someone who's never dated one. :tgrin:

And I'unno. I seriously swear putting on body armor and jumping out of windows requires a seriously high level of testosterone that most girls can't get without steroids. I mean, it's not like there's a million of them trying to join UFC. You have a few, sure, but most girls I know would never, ever, ever do anything like that. And I think there's a reason why not, in either case: It's fundamentally stupid.

And originally Babs kind of only became Batgirl for kicks. She happened to dress up as "Batgirl" for a costume ball and ended up having to stop Killer Moth for some dumb reason. She enjoyed the rush so she became a crimefighter. That's actually a pretty terrible reason to be a super-hero. :lol: Freud would have an absolute field day with that.

MsMarvelDuckie

04-23-2015, 12:34 AM

1) 2) The majority of this country isn't white and male.

3) Spider-Man takes place in New York City, one of the most diverse cities on the planet. Myles' face wouldn't stick out in a crowd. In fact, depending on which neighborhood you're in, it's Peter who would stand out.

2) No, but the majority cross-section is. Take the number of males, and cross-reference with majority ethnic demographic, and you get- white males. It's not hard to figure out.

3) Only if the neighborhood is Brooklyn (Italian) Harlem (largely black), Dhinatown (Asian), or The Barrio(Latino). The rest of the city is a mix with Caucasian predominating. White still stands as the majority. And Peter is middle class (aka average)- which is most CERTAINLY predominantly white.

Pretty sure white men outnumber minorities.

This.

The only reason Miles was created was for tokenism. Just like they introduce gay characters in comics just for the sake of saying there's a gay character now. Iceman just came out as gay in the recent X-men comics out of nowhere.

Also this. Iceman as gay- not even going to comment on that. Little LATE to the game there.

I'm going to start saying every new white male character is a blatant pandering to a minority demographic.

The minority that pretty much STARTED the entire superhero genre, and makes up MOST of it. Yeah, sure, that makes sense.

I'd call it offensive, but the last thing I need is Cyber going all LemonGrab on me.
Women aren't smarter. Men aren't stupider. That's outdated binary gender role talk that keeps everyone down.

One of the things I prefer about the Marvel Universe, as opposed to DC, is that there is so much variation. That they haven't gone out of their way to unify their universes, or well...not yet at least. That there's room to change, and people can play with characters in a much more creative way.

I love that we have two Hawkeyes. That Wolverine is Logan and Patch. That Ms Marvel can be Captain Marvel opening Ms Marvel up to be someone else is awesome. I don't even like all the Ultimates books, but I love that they're there. Keeping everything in pristine condition is boring. Peter Parker always being Spider-Man, always working for the Bugle, and always being in that nebulous "young adult" age is boring.

Yet there is scientific research that indicates that women ARE fundamentally smarter in many ways. It has to do with brain functions and neural connections, which are more numerous in women. Also, the hemispheres are more closely linked in women.

Peter doesn't still work for the Bugle- he hasn't since Civil War outted him and JJJ fired him. The deal with Joephisto altered many things, but that didn't. Though it's unclear now as to why he no longer works there. Suffice to say, he's also NOT still a young adult, and hasn't been for decades!

BabyTurtles

04-23-2015, 12:36 AM

If women are so much smarter than we should be better superheroes.

MsMarvelDuckie

04-23-2015, 12:54 AM

BabyTurtles

04-23-2015, 01:12 AM

Or smart enough to know better, is more like it. Being a superhero isn't about being smart anyway- it's about being able to out-punch/power/whatever the other guy. Though creativity use of powers comes into play, I suppose.

And the idea that more than one hero might have the same origin YEARS apart is just- ridiculous. The accident that caused Peter's powers was LITERALLY a once-in-a-lifetime kind of event. Comparable to a star going supernova- you're lucky if you're looking in the right place at the right time to witness it. Having another kid end up in the same exact situation is just really too hard to swallow to begin with. It's shoehorning in origins to explain similar powers in a very different character. Mayday Parker aka Spider-Girl is understandable- she's his DAUGHTER. Miguel O'Hara (2099) is (supposedly) a distant descendant. They made sense. Miles does NOT. Even Jessica Drew had her powers from experimentation with spider DNA, by the High Evolutionary, And Kaine and Scarlet Spider were both clones of Peter. (With different personalities, at least to some degree.) They all make sense within the larger framework of Pete's origin. (Spider-Woman being an unrelated case, but still within reason.)

Are you serious?? There have been many legacy characters that weren't related and had the same superpower incident.

why are you singling out Miles??

ya know what ticks me off...you're so quick to diss Miles....do you even know what Miles can do for people?

Miles has the ability to be representation for a little black kid who has always loved Spider-man but was told he couldn't be one because he wasn't white by other kids. You don't think it happens? It happens! I helped at a kindergarten and those kids are ruthless sometimes.

It angers me that fanboys/girls are so nit-picky and protective of their "original" heroes even though they have been here FOREVER that literally giving someone else the spotlight, someone that could actually change the world is too crazy a thought.

"why can't he be another NEW hero"

cause....we will NEVER get a chance to see some random new hero on the big screen. Its HARD enough to get a popular black hero (or any minority) on the big screen so don't even start!

Leo656

04-23-2015, 01:30 AM

BabyTurtles

04-23-2015, 01:45 AM

Blade had four movies, Will Smith got a vanity project in "Hancock", and Halle Berry gets to keep playing Storm despite popular consensus being that both her and her wigs are fairly awful.

So I'unno. People are doin' stuff.

Blade?? I don't remember him....must have been a long time ago.
Storm?? you mean that underused character??
Hancock......didn't he get like 1 movie??

How is this enough? What, we are given some scraps off the table and we are supposed to be fully satisfied for a whole 12 years until more scraps are given?

Spiderman sticks cause Marvel cares about him, while minority characters are pushed to the side or play second fiddle.

I mean look at Storm....SHE'S STORM!! and is she even that important in the movies?? yea...not really.

This girl can control weather with her emotions......she's an african queen! so where's her backstory?
(hopefully they do her right in the new movie)