How do you feel about the Harley/Poison Ivy lesbian relationship being canon?

[CyberCubed]

In the cartoon where it originated:

http://static02.mediaite.com/themarysue/uploads/2015/05/HarleyIvyHighFive.gif

To become a full blown thing in both the comics and cartoons. The creators of the current comics also confirmed it:

http://www.themarysue.com/harley-ivy-girlfriends/

In DC comics:

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In the animated comics based on B:TAS:

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To where its blatantly stated:

http://38.media.tumblr.com/83c8a998b858765876e4377bc3536ea6/tumblr_inline_mztpwtH1Nz1qbujox.jpg


Poison Ivy/Harley went from a crack lesbian ship to actually becoming a real thing. Personally I think its a lot healthier than Harley's obsession with the Joker, and it also humanized Ivy more to the point where she cares for something other than plants, an actual human.

God bless Bruce Timm/Paul Dini for introducing the idea in B:TAS back in the early 90's but they had to be subtle about it because it would never fly on a kids show back then. So on that show while they were "gal pals" you can tell they wanted it to be more. And now DC comic writers have made it canon.

What do you think? Better than Joker/Harley?

[Andrew NDB]

I have no problem with it but I feel like it wouldn't happen unless WB/DC was desperate enough (and they are... please look at the reboot of the week stuff they're doing now that is practically reaching out to existing readers and all but begging them to stop reading) to just try and titillate fans.

[CyberCubed]

I like the idea of Harley starting off with the Joker as always but then after him trying to kill her every so often she finally gets fed up with him and moves on to Ivy permanently.

Finally found the pic where they actually kiss:

http://i.imgur.com/tS1sbsR.jpg

Amazing.

Funny how the different art styles makes Ivy look like a very different character depending on who draws her.

[Netkeeper]

I vastly prefer this relationship to Harley and the Joker.

Personally I think its a lot healthier than Harley's obsession with the Joker, and it also humanized Ivy more to the point where she cares for something other than plants, an actual human.
And this pretty much sums up why.

[Candy Kappa]

I really like it, and it's nice to see Harley in a relationship that isn't destructive and abusive as the one she had with Joker.

[Shred Head]

The fact that it took this long to make it canon was kinda shocking.Yeah I'm happy they finally put it into the comics hopefully it might even get put into the movies.

Now making Catwoman bi that was just plane stupid.

[ZariusTwo]

I liked it better when it was sort of hanging in the air, yet was blantant. Putting an official slant on it sort of makes me think about the last likeable lesbian relationship from DC that went haywire before long because noone in the Batman books can be happy (Kate and Maggie)

The fact that it took this long to make it canon was kinda shocking.Yeah I'm happy they finally put it into the comics hopefully it might even get put into the movies.

Now making Catwoman bi that was just plane stupid.

Yeah, hope they retcon that as a "phase"

[plastroncafe]

I have no problem with it but I feel like it wouldn't happen unless WB/DC was desperate enough (and they are... please look at the reboot of the week stuff they're doing now that is practically reaching out to existing readers and all but begging them to stop reading) to just try and titillate fans.

Really? DC is just now trying to titillate readers?
Grasping at diversity straws I'll accept, but...if you're honestly trying to imply that DC has ever NOT been trying to titillate readers you've very clearly never seen any of their female characters before.

The fact that it took this long to make it canon was kinda shocking.Yeah I'm happy they finally put it into the comics hopefully it might even get put into the movies.

Now making Catwoman bi that was just plane stupid.

I can't wait to hear the justification for this one.
https://33.media.tumblr.com/647f76d85a6112a1059626f12b439e47/tumblr_inline_npyuiezqUp1svqvxq_500.gif

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Well, Harley's awesome and Ivy's awesome. Now for some basic math, kids:

Awesome + Awesome = 2x Awesome!

[blindturtle02]

It actually makes perfect sense. I like it. Bout time Harley got away from laughing boy. Since I'm re-watching Batman TAS right now, I'll certainly be looking at the episode Harley and Ivy through different eyes when I get there.

[Bry]

I love it. There's a reason the idea has persisted so long, and that connection lightens, deepens and humanizes both of their characters quite a bit - especially Harley, who's otherwise a very tragic Stockholm Syndrome character.

For me at least, her relationship with Ivy makes it a lot easier to accept Harley as a primarily goofy, fun character, and that's the version I like best.

[The Stryker]

Sure why not. Who cares.

[CyberCubed]

I'm also glad it makes Poison Ivy a lot less one-dimensional. I really hate when she's written as a generic plant woman who wants to kill all humans and only wants plants to survive. I also dislike it when she's all green and has leaves growing out of her skin (shudders), she should look more normal just with the ability to control plants.

[*NormalGamer*]

Personally, I think it's great that it's officially canon. Ever since I've seen the BTAS episode "Harley & Ivy", they had great chemistry together. ^_^

Personally I think its a lot healthier than Harley's obsession with the Joker, and it also humanized Ivy more to the point where she cares for something other than plants, an actual human.

That's a great point. The Harley/Joker relationship was based on insanity; Mad Love demonstrated that well.

[snake]

I have no problem with it. Some of the panels with the two are pretty damn cute.

[plastroncafe]

As someone who routinely prefers DC's animated universe to their comic or movie'verses, Harley and Ivy have always been canon.

[CyberCubed]

As someone who routinely prefers DC's animated universe to their comic or movie'verses, Harley and Ivy have always been canon.

The funny thing is even though Paul Dini admitted to wanting them as a couple at first, you can tell they were only intended to be gal pals in their first few episodes together. They made way too many Joker/Harley episodes around that timeframe, so the idea of Harley getting over her obsession with Joker at the time seemed rather farfetched. Joker/Harley was just accepted as something that would always happen.

I guess the Harley/Ivy pair just continually grew in popularity since the 90's, and after Harley herself proved to be a popular character that could stand on her own rather than just as "The Joker's girlfriend" they were able to move on from there.

[Powder]

I have but the view of an outsider as I've never been particularly interested in anything DC does, but I think it's neat. They work well together, given their history & what the friendship dynamic has always been like, it feels organic rather than forced.

[Peanut]

Sure why not. Who cares.

10 characters of agreement.

[Commenter 42]

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Dat art tho

More please.

[THGhost]

I like it, I think they're cute together. Sure beats the abusive relationship that Harley has with Joker.

[pennydreadful]

+1 OTP of awesome.

However given that it's established that Harley is attracted to both men and women, "same sex" relationship would be a more accurate way of describing the pairing.

There's plenty of room for argument as to where Ivy's orientation lies on the spectrum, but as Harley is not monosexual, calling it a "lesbian relationship" is incorrect.

Also as DC writers have stated on Twitter that they "are girlfriends without the jealousy of monogamy"**, this also means that they're in a poly or open relationship.

**http://kotaku.com/dc-comics-harley-quinn-poison-ivy-are-girlfriends-w-1711038615

It's a celebration, bitches. :D

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[CyberCubed]

I don't think Ivy has ever shown romantic interest in men. She kisses a ton of them, but that's only to poison them or to get what she wants.

[Slade]

It's whatever to me, not obsessed like someone I know...

[pennydreadful]

I don't think Ivy has ever shown romantic interest in men. She kisses a ton of them, but that's only to poison them or to get what she wants.

Which is why I said there's room for argument as to where on the spectrum she'd reside. Canonically, Ivy is primarily shown using sex as a weapon and seems to hate meatbags in general, with the exception of Harley (which then implies that she is attracted to the person rather than the meatsuit) - so again, the term "lesbian relationship" is really a misnomer. Just sayin'. ;)

[plastroncafe]

The funny thing is even though Paul Dini admitted to wanting them as a couple at first, you can tell they were only intended to be gal pals in their first few episodes together. They made way too many Joker/Harley episodes around that timeframe, so the idea of Harley getting over her obsession with Joker at the time seemed rather farfetched. Joker/Harley was just accepted as something that would always happen.

I guess the Harley/Ivy pair just continually grew in popularity since the 90's, and after Harley herself proved to be a popular character that could stand on her own rather than just as "The Joker's girlfriend" they were able to move on from there.

They were playing house together without pants.
Methinks you don't know the actual meaning of the term "gal pals."

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

They were playing house together without pants.
Methinks you don't know the actual meaning of the term "gal pals."

:tlol: I LOVE that turn of phrase. I'm so using that now.

"Playing house together without pants..." :tlol:

[Allio]

well, Harley is Bi, but I don't really care since I don't like the Harley comics in general

[blindturtle02]

As someone who routinely prefers DC's animated universe to their comic or movie'verses, Harley and Ivy have always been canon.

Yeah DCAU has always rocked for me personally since I can't just go out and buy the comics unless I have someone read them to me. I remember wanting more serious toons as a kid and when Batman TAS premiered alongside Marvel shows like X-Men etc, that pleased me to no end.