How do you feel about the Harley/Poison Ivy lesbian relationship being canon?

*CyberCubed* · 07-21-2015, 01:53 AM

In the cartoon where it originated:

To become a full blown thing in both the comics and cartoons. The creators of the current comics also confirmed it:

http://www.themarysue.com/harley-ivy-girlfriends/

In DC comics:

In the animated comics based on B:TAS:

To where its blatantly stated:

Poison Ivy/Harley went from a crack lesbian ship to actually becoming a real thing. Personally I think its a lot healthier than Harley's obsession with the Joker, and it also humanized Ivy more to the point where she cares for something other than plants, an actual human.

God bless Bruce Timm/Paul Dini for introducing the idea in B:TAS back in the early 90's but they had to be subtle about it because it would never fly on a kids show back then. So on that show while they were "gal pals" you can tell they wanted it to be more. And now DC comic writers have made it canon.

What do you think? Better than Joker/Harley?

*Andrew NDB* · 07-21-2015, 02:00 AM

I have no problem with it but I feel like it wouldn't happen unless WB/DC was desperate enough (and they are... please look at the reboot of the week stuff they're doing now that is practically reaching out to existing readers and all but begging them to stop reading) to just try and titillate fans.

*CyberCubed* · 07-21-2015, 02:18 AM

I like the idea of Harley starting off with the Joker as always but then after him trying to kill her every so often she finally gets fed up with him and moves on to Ivy permanently.

Finally found the pic where they actually kiss:

Amazing.

Funny how the different art styles makes Ivy look like a very different character depending on who draws her.

*Netkeeper* · 07-21-2015, 02:36 AM

I vastly prefer this relationship to Harley and the Joker.

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Personally I think its a lot healthier than Harley's obsession with the Joker, and it also humanized Ivy more to the point where she cares for something other than plants, an actual human.

And this pretty much sums up why.

*Candy Kappa* · 07-21-2015, 04:11 AM

I really like it, and it's nice to see Harley in a relationship that isn't destructive and abusive as the one she had with Joker.

Shred Head · 07-21-2015, 05:24 AM

The fact that it took this long to make it canon was kinda shocking.Yeah I'm happy they finally put it into the comics hopefully it might even get put into the movies.

Now making Catwoman bi that was just plane stupid.

*ZariusTwo* · 07-21-2015, 06:25 AM

I liked it better when it was sort of hanging in the air, yet was blantant. Putting an official slant on it sort of makes me think about the last likeable lesbian relationship from DC that went haywire before long because noone in the Batman books can be happy (Kate and Maggie)

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Originally Posted by Shred Head

The fact that it took this long to make it canon was kinda shocking.Yeah I'm happy they finally put it into the comics hopefully it might even get put into the movies.

Now making Catwoman bi that was just plane stupid.

Yeah, hope they retcon that as a "phase"

*plastroncafe* · 07-21-2015, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I have no problem with it but I feel like it wouldn't happen unless WB/DC was desperate enough (and they are... please look at the reboot of the week stuff they're doing now that is practically reaching out to existing readers and all but begging them to stop reading) to just try and titillate fans.

Really? DC is just now trying to titillate readers?
Grasping at diversity straws I'll accept, but...if you're honestly trying to imply that DC has ever NOT been trying to titillate readers you've very clearly never seen any of their female characters before.

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Originally Posted by Shred Head

The fact that it took this long to make it canon was kinda shocking.Yeah I'm happy they finally put it into the comics hopefully it might even get put into the movies.

Now making Catwoman bi that was just plane stupid.

I can't wait to hear the justification for this one.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 07-21-2015, 10:04 AM

Well, Harley's awesome and Ivy's awesome. Now for some basic math, kids:

Awesome + Awesome = 2x Awesome!

*blindturtle02* · 07-21-2015, 10:53 AM

It actually makes perfect sense. I like it. Bout time Harley got away from laughing boy. Since I'm re-watching Batman TAS right now, I'll certainly be looking at the episode Harley and Ivy through different eyes when I get there.

*Bry* · 07-21-2015, 11:08 AM

I love it. There's a reason the idea has persisted so long, and that connection lightens, deepens and humanizes both of their characters quite a bit - especially Harley, who's otherwise a very tragic Stockholm Syndrome character.

For me at least, her relationship with Ivy makes it a lot easier to accept Harley as a primarily goofy, fun character, and that's the version I like best.

*The Stryker* · 07-21-2015, 11:15 AM

Sure why not. Who cares.

*CyberCubed* · 07-21-2015, 12:11 PM

I'm also glad it makes Poison Ivy a lot less one-dimensional. I really hate when she's written as a generic plant woman who wants to kill all humans and only wants plants to survive. I also dislike it when she's all green and has leaves growing out of her skin (shudders), she should look more normal just with the ability to control plants.

*NormalGamer* · 07-21-2015, 12:16 PM

Personally, I think it's great that it's officially canon. Ever since I've seen the BTAS episode "Harley & Ivy", they had great chemistry together. ^_^

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Personally I think its a lot healthier than Harley's obsession with the Joker, and it also humanized Ivy more to the point where she cares for something other than plants, an actual human.

That's a great point. The Harley/Joker relationship was based on insanity; Mad Love demonstrated that well.

*snake* · 07-21-2015, 01:43 PM

I have no problem with it. Some of the panels with the two are pretty damn cute.

*plastroncafe* · 07-21-2015, 01:47 PM

As someone who routinely prefers DC's animated universe to their comic or movie'verses, Harley and Ivy have always been canon.

*CyberCubed* · 07-21-2015, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by plastroncafe

As someone who routinely prefers DC's animated universe to their comic or movie'verses, Harley and Ivy have always been canon.

The funny thing is even though Paul Dini admitted to wanting them as a couple at first, you can tell they were only intended to be gal pals in their first few episodes together. They made way too many Joker/Harley episodes around that timeframe, so the idea of Harley getting over her obsession with Joker at the time seemed rather farfetched. Joker/Harley was just accepted as something that would always happen.

I guess the Harley/Ivy pair just continually grew in popularity since the 90's, and after Harley herself proved to be a popular character that could stand on her own rather than just as "The Joker's girlfriend" they were able to move on from there.

*Powder* · 07-21-2015, 02:22 PM

I have but the view of an outsider as I've never been particularly interested in anything DC does, but I think it's neat. They work well together, given their history & what the friendship dynamic has always been like, it feels organic rather than forced.

Peanut · 07-21-2015, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by The Stryker

Sure why not. Who cares.

10 characters of agreement.

~~Commenter 42~~ · 07-21-2015, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Dat art tho

More please.

07-21-2015, 01:53 AM	#1
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,887	How do you feel about the Harley/Poison Ivy lesbian relationship being canon? In the cartoon where it originated: To become a full blown thing in both the comics and cartoons. The creators of the current comics also confirmed it: http://www.themarysue.com/harley-ivy-girlfriends/ In DC comics: In the animated comics based on B:TAS: To where its blatantly stated: Poison Ivy/Harley went from a crack lesbian ship to actually becoming a real thing. Personally I think its a lot healthier than Harley's obsession with the Joker, and it also humanized Ivy more to the point where she cares for something other than plants, an actual human. God bless Bruce Timm/Paul Dini for introducing the idea in B:TAS back in the early 90's but they had to be subtle about it because it would never fly on a kids show back then. So on that show while they were "gal pals" you can tell they wanted it to be more. And now DC comic writers have made it canon. What do you think? Better than Joker/Harley?

07-21-2015, 02:00 AM	#2
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,574	I have no problem with it but I feel like it wouldn't happen unless WB/DC was desperate enough (and they are... please look at the reboot of the week stuff they're doing now that is practically reaching out to existing readers and all but begging them to stop reading) to just try and titillate fans. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

07-21-2015, 04:11 AM	#5
Candy Kappa The Agenda of Existing Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Vikingland Posts: 14,596	I really like it, and it's nice to see Harley in a relationship that isn't destructive and abusive as the one she had with Joker. __________________ devianArt Instagram Youtube Tumblr Art Blog Patreon

07-21-2015, 05:24 AM	#6
Shred Head Hench Mutant Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 341	The fact that it took this long to make it canon was kinda shocking.Yeah I'm happy they finally put it into the comics hopefully it might even get put into the movies. Now making Catwoman bi that was just plane stupid. __________________ "Cold steel meets hot flesh! Thats why they call me Slash!"

07-21-2015, 10:04 AM	#9
CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy Annalist Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 16,435	Well, Harley's awesome and Ivy's awesome. Now for some basic math, kids: Awesome + Awesome = 2x Awesome! __________________ *ALL THEIR DAYS ARE NUMBERED*

07-21-2015, 02:18 AM	#3
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,887	I like the idea of Harley starting off with the Joker as always but then after him trying to kill her every so often she finally gets fed up with him and moves on to Ivy permanently. Finally found the pic where they actually kiss: Amazing. Funny how the different art styles makes Ivy look like a very different character depending on who draws her.

07-21-2015, 10:53 AM	#10
blindturtle02 Foot Elite Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Tx Posts: 2,627	It actually makes perfect sense. I like it. Bout time Harley got away from laughing boy. Since I'm re-watching Batman TAS right now, I'll certainly be looking at the episode Harley and Ivy through different eyes when I get there. __________________ Please don't remove my nice hat and wack me in the butt with it.

07-21-2015, 11:08 AM	#11
Bry So Long, Stinktown! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 3,463	I love it. There's a reason the idea has persisted so long, and that connection lightens, deepens and humanizes both of their characters quite a bit - especially Harley, who's otherwise a very tragic Stockholm Syndrome character. For me at least, her relationship with Ivy makes it a lot easier to accept Harley as a primarily goofy, fun character, and that's the version I like best. __________________ My Stuff: Webcomic \| Podcast \| DeviantArt \| YouTube \| Patreon

07-21-2015, 11:15 AM	#12
The Stryker Stupid Rich Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Room 237 Posts: 11,152	Sure why not. Who cares. __________________ @~<3 Mom~@

07-21-2015, 12:11 PM	#13
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,887	I'm also glad it makes Poison Ivy a lot less one-dimensional. I really hate when she's written as a generic plant woman who wants to kill all humans and only wants plants to survive. I also dislike it when she's all green and has leaves growing out of her skin (shudders), she should look more normal just with the ability to control plants.

07-21-2015, 01:43 PM	#15
snake Disgusting Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Outer Heaven Posts: 12,231	I have no problem with it. Some of the panels with the two are pretty damn cute.

07-21-2015, 02:22 PM	#18
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,956	I have but the view of an outsider as I've never been particularly interested in anything DC does, but I think it's neat. They work well together, given their history & what the friendship dynamic has always been like, it feels organic rather than forced.