Did we ever find out Tiger Claw's backstory?

[CyberCubed]

This is something I just thought of now that Season 3 has concluded, did we ever find out Tiger Claw's backstory? Because I really don't remember.

Did we ever find out how he became a mutant or what his human form looked like? Or who cut off his tail and why Shredder trusts him? I don't think they ever did give him a backstory episode, did they?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

This is something I just thought of now that Season 3 has concluded, did we ever find out Tiger Claw's backstory? Because I really don't remember.

Did we ever find out how he became a mutant or what his human form looked like? Or who cut off his tail and why Shredder trusts him? I don't think they ever did give him a backstory episode, did they?

Don't worry; it'll be in the same episode where we find out how Raph cracked his plastron. :twink:

[Amaranthus]

I'm pretty sure he's this series' version of Oroku Nagi.

[ToTheNines]

That makes no sense. Saki is this series' version of Oroku Nagi.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Oroku Nagi? Who's Oroku Nagi? :tlol:

[IndigoErth]

Think we've only gotten very minimal details. All I recall is that he was supposedly a kid when he was mutated. Don't think they ever went into the how's or why's of that though, nor the missing tail.

[victory_angel]

Oroku Nagi? Who's Oroku Nagi? :tlol:

Oroku Nagi was first introduced in the Mirage Comic. He was the older brother of Oroku Saki. Nagi was the one who loved Tang Shen aside from Yoshi, and he couldn't accept that she had chosen Yoshi as her husband. So one night he breaks into Yoshi's house and beats her until Yoshi arrives and kills him. And since killing a member of ones own clan was cause for banishment. Yoshi and Shen travel to New York and start a new life there. Saki follows them to New York years later and kills Yoshi and Shen to avenge his brothers murder.


Think we've only gotten very minimal details. All I recall is that he was supposedly a kid when he was mutated. Don't think they ever went into the how's or why's of that though, nor the missing tail.

According to Rahzar in Wormquake. Tiger Claw had been mutated by the Kraang decades ago.

And when Karai asked him about his tail...Tiger Claw says "I lost my tail in a duel against an adversary, whom he hopes to find one day and slay."

I thought it was interesting that during the vision quest Donnie was put against Tiger Claw rather then Stockmen. And also Donnie is the only Turtle that Tiger Claw never encountered initially. He knew Donatello existed and he lumps him in with his brothers because well he's a Turtle. But I often wondered why the writers and the production team, wanted to play things out in that fashion.

Donnie tends to excel in situations that deal with diplomacy more then situations that require brute force. So it is surmise-able that if Donnie was abducted by the Foot Clan, he would try to reach his enemy by trying to understand him. Such as asking how he was mutated? why was he mutated? Why is he getting out of being involved with the Shredder?

At first Tiger Claw would be resistant to it and say "Such questions are no business of yours "little one". But after a while he might be more forth coming about his past and why he sides with the Shredder. And maybe the shear fact that someone is seeing him and talking to him as though he were a person and not as a weapon might cause a shift in Tiger Claws mindset.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Oroku Nagi was first introduced in the Mirage Comic. He was the older brother of Oroku Saki. Nagi was the one who loved Tang Shen aside from Yoshi, and he couldn't accept that she had chosen Yoshi as her husband. So one night he breaks into Yoshi's house and beats her until Yoshi arrives and kills him. And since killing a member of ones own clan was cause for banishment. Yoshi and Shen travel to New York and start a new life there. Saki follows them to New York years later and kills Yoshi and Shen to avenge his brothers murder.

An excellent recap, milady! But I must confess, however... I was speaking in jest, spinning a web of satire, and basically being my usual tongue-in-cheek self. :tlol:

Kind of a court jester, except usually angrier and growlier. A drunk Scottish court jester, maybe? Or Russian? Hmm... gonna have to work on that persona a little more.

[Ninturtle]

Tiger Claw was a kid mutated by the Kraang and became a circus freak. Eventually he became a criminal and eventually gets employed by Shredder. They mentioned this in his debut episode.
Ciro actually said this at 2013 NYCC , we only know he was a mutant as a kid.

[CyberCubed]

Was any of this ever mentioned in the show at all?

[Ninturtle]

Was any of this ever mentioned in the show at all?

They mentioned that he was mutated as a kid in the show.

[victory_angel]

Was any of this ever mentioned in the show at all?

Rahzar said and I quote: "All I know is that he's a deadly assassin. The Kraang mutated him when he was a kid decades ago."


and later on after Karai pointed out that Tiger Claw lacked a tail. Tiger Claw says and again I quote:

"Don't mock me, child! It was a rival who sliced off my tail, one day I will find it and HE WILL pay the price!"

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Oroku Nagi was first introduced in the Mirage Comic. He was the older brother of Oroku Saki. Nagi was the one who loved Tang Shen aside from Yoshi, and he couldn't accept that she had chosen Yoshi as her husband. So one night he breaks into Yoshi's house and beats her until Yoshi arrives and kills him. And since killing a member of ones own clan was cause for banishment. Yoshi and Shen travel to New York and start a new life there. Saki follows them to New York years later and kills Yoshi and Shen to avenge his brothers murder.

I still look forward to the day we see a film or an animated version of Oroku Nagi.

An excellent recap, milady! But I must confess, however... I was speaking in jest, spinning a web of satire, and basically being my usual tongue-in-cheek self. :tlol:

Kind of a court jester, except usually angrier and growlier. A drunk Scottish court jester, maybe? Or Russian? Hmm... gonna have to work on that persona a little more.

But you're no Jester, you're CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy, dear fellow.:lol:

Glad that you were joking because I was about to say....:trazz:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I still look forward to the day we see a film or an animated version of Oroku Nagi.



But you're no Jester, you're CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy, dear fellow.:lol:

Glad that you were joking because I was about to say....:trazz:

Unless a series is able to tell the "cycle of vengeance" storyline with any justice or lack of "kid-friendly", I'd rather not see Oroku Nagi. I think he only works best when the Turtles are fighting a pointless battle against Shredder, the fight having started two or three or four lives ago... which honestly, only Mirage has ever done.

But, every other main respected TMNT retelling has done admirably in giving the Saki/Yoshi feud a new spin:

IDW, with reincarnation and the Pantheon
Nick, with Saki stealing Miwa and raising her to hate her biological father
4Kids, with the Shredder actually being a revenge-driven Utrom (controversial, yes, but I loved it)

And yeah, Jester's nowhere near as funny as I am. I mean, he doesn't post anywhere near as often, whereas I post multiple times a day, so even if I'm only funny once a day, I'm still hilarious in terms of quantity versus quality, right? Right? RIGHT?

Put away the rotten vegetables, mates, and save that produce for internet movies reviews, thankyaverymuch. :trazz:

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Actually, I'm saving them for the Half Shell movie next year. Why should Rotten Tomatoes have all the fun?:D

[ToTheNines]

I still look forward to the day we see a film or an animated version of Oroku Nagi.

Closest thing we had was Yukio Mashimi.

[Luckyday]

Unless a series is able to tell the "cycle of vengeance" storyline with any justice or lack of "kid-friendly", I'd rather not see Oroku Nagi. I think he only works best when the Turtles are fighting a pointless battle against Shredder, the fight having started two or three or four lives ago... which honestly, only Mirage has ever done.

But, every other main respected TMNT retelling has done admirably in giving the Saki/Yoshi feud a new spin:

IDW, with reincarnation and the Pantheon
Nick, with Saki stealing Miwa and raising her to hate her biological father
4Kids, with the Shredder actually being a revenge-driven Utrom (controversial, yes, but I loved it)
:trazz:

I think the "cycle of vengeance" storyline can be done since Saki's origin in the show really parallels with Karai's. It's more of a complex/mature storyline then too dark and scary for the kids, which they have no problem doing dark but god forbid if they suddenly make this show deeper then Avatar: The Last Airbender.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I think the "cycle of vengeance" storyline can be done since Saki's origin in the show really parallels with Karai's. It's more of a complex/mature storyline then too dark and scary for the kids, which they have no problem doing dark but god forbid if they suddenly make this show deeper then Avatar: The Last Airbender.

Respectfully disagree; the Saki/Yoshi clan started with the immediately prior generation: Oroku Saki and Hamato Yoshi. Yoshi IS Splinter, and Saki IS the only Oroku involved. The Turtles are only one generation removed (Splinter/Yoshi) as opposed to two, and Splinter/Yoshi has never struck back decisively against the Oroku Clan (as in, say, killing the non-existent Nagi).

The cycle of vengeance storyline cannot be adapted properly by Nick because there is no moral grey ground on whether or not Splinter and the Turtles are in the right for fighting the Foot Clan. Same for IDW or 4Kids.

[Luckyday]

Respectfully disagree; the Saki/Yoshi clan started with the immediately prior generation: Oroku Saki and Hamato Yoshi. Yoshi IS Splinter, and Saki IS the only Oroku involved. The Turtles are only one generation removed (Splinter/Yoshi) as opposed to two, and Splinter/Yoshi has never struck back decisively against the Oroku Clan (as in, say, killing the non-existent Nagi).

The cycle of vengeance storyline cannot be adapted properly by Nick because there is no moral grey ground on whether or not Splinter and the Turtles are in the right for fighting the Foot Clan. Same for IDW or 4Kids.

alright, I guess so.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

alright, I guess so.

Hey, don't fold! Just my opinion. Didn't mean to come off as browbeating; I just bolded one sentence for the TL;DR version. :tlol:

[Luckyday]

Hey, don't fold! Just my opinion. Didn't mean to come off as browbeating; I just bolded one sentence for the TL;DR version. :tlol:

No, in interent debating or whatever when someone doesn't respond back to the other person, the other person often assume that they totally won the argument, but it just really means that the other person not replying don't agree and don't care anymore.

it's just me trying not to be misleading and being friendly. Forum etiquette and all.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

No, in interent debating or whatever when someone doesn't respond back to the other person, the other person often assume that they totally won the argument, but it just really means that the other person not replying don't agree and don't care anymore.

it's just me trying not to be misleading and being friendly. Forum etiquette and all.

...

I'm not used to internet debating. I'm used to internet zoo monkey cages where the primates fling feces at each other. :tlol: You are now my shining beacon of hope! :twink:

[Luckyday]

...

I'm not used to internet debating. I'm used to internet zoo monkey cages where the primates fling feces at each other. :tlol: You are now my shining beacon of hope! :twink:

We all try to keep it civil. You want to see debate, you should have seen when me and Ms.MarvelDuckie were arguing about the how a mutant turtle would behave normally if it wasn't raise like a human child and how a mutant turtle society would look like that are realistically base on actual turtles. My argument is that a society would be intelligent but alien and counter intuitive to human sensibilities.

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=51106&page=2

I'm pretty sure that we were one post away from flinging feces at each other.

[Zatoichi]

http://tmnt2012series.wikia.com/wiki/Tiger_Claw

I have zero clue how credible all of this is since I don't see any sources but it's interesting. Hopefully more is known about Tiger Claw in the 2nd half of season 4 after the Turtles go back in time to save the world. I really want Tiger Claw to betray Shredder and either side with the turtles or do his own thing.

[evan2000]

Here is Ciro's interview on TigerClaw which hinted that he will eventually ditch the Foot clan:

http://www.nick-asia.com/shows/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles/videos/tiger-claw-video/jmbha6

If the video isn't working in your country use this link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=rw2gWolhcuM#t=1292

[aliena]

I was going to post the same thing. I guess what has me thinking about TC is the fact that he seems awfully dedicated to Shredder. Even when he does unsavory things to others that TC doesn't seem to like all that much. Here are some examples...

First he tells Shredder that the Kraang are hurting humans, or something like that, and Shredder tells him it doesn't matter to him what they do to the humans. TC doesn't seem to like that.

TC also watches Leo fighting "To the death" and states that he fights with honor or something like that and he seems to respect Leo, then he goes off and nearly kills him?

TC fights with Raph and tells him that he needs to control his anger almost sounding like a sensai or someone who is guiding him.

TC is always calling them cubs and it almost sounds like an endearment. I have always thought that at some point he will turn on Shredder and side with the turtles. It would be very cool if the turtles help him find the one who cut off his tail so he would join their side.

I just feel that TC isn't all evil, he just wants revenge and believes that Shredder is the only one who can deliver.

After the finale, After his outward shock and horror of what Shredder has done, I just wish he could maintain his memory and kill Shredder without warning, that way the guys don't have to do it.

I just wish they would continue his storyline. I would even take an episode about him if that's what it took, with the turtles by his side preferably.

[Luckyday]

Even though TC is a hired mercenary that doesn't mind breaking a few international laws to keep his employer please, no doubt even he have has his limits.

If he's not going to remember what happen at the end then what else will it take to convince him that Shredder had cross the Moral Event Horizon? Mowing down innocent padawans at the jedi academy?

[victory_angel]

Even though TC is a hired mercenary that doesn't mind breaking a few international laws to keep his employer please, no doubt even he have has his limits.

If he's not going to remember what happen at the end then what else will it take to convince him that Shredder had cross the Moral Event Horizon? Mowing down innocent padawans at the jedi academy?

Like I said, I can see Donnie asking him about his mutation and what led to it. And what is he getting out of working with Shredder.

Tiger Claw might be resistant to it at first and say it's not the business as a cub. But Tiger Claw has been treated like an animal and as a weapon his whole life...perhaps someone seeing him and treating him like a person for once could be the difference here.

[neatoman]

So do you people actually care about Tiger Claw? I don't and I keep forgetting that he's even there, which really says something considering how seems they went out of their way to hype him up.

[TurFlytle]

So do you people actually care about Tiger Claw? I don't and I keep forgetting that he's even there, which really says something considering how seems they went out of their way to hype him up.

Yes people do. How can you forget Tiger Claw? He's been in most of the Foot episodes in season 3. Remember the reason why we care is because we never saw Tiger Claw as a human. If they kill him off somehow, we'll never know who he is and the fact that there's a rival that stole his tail. Whenever Tiger Claw's argues with Shredder, he always seems to have a good question and Shredder seems to have a stupid answer. Sounds like he considers quitting the Foot some time soon, like a heel-face turn.

[neatoman]

Yes people do. How can you forget Tiger Claw? He's been in most of the Foot episodes in season 3. Remember the reason why we care is because we never saw Tiger Claw as a human. If they kill him off somehow, we'll never know who he is and the fact that there's a rival that stole his tail. Whenever Tiger Claw's argues with Shredder, he always seems to have a good question and Shredder seems to have a stupid answer. Sounds like he considers quitting the Foot some time soon, like a Baxter Stockman heel-face turn.

I think part of the reason I keep forgetting about Tiger Claw is that there currently 8 characters who are part of the Foot or at least closely allied with them. Here's the problem, 6 were already well established are part of TMNT lore and Xever was one of the first characters introduced for this series, so already Tiger Claw is the least recognisable.

But the biggest problem might be that he has very little personality to speak of. I can tell you what Xever's personality is, I can tell you what Baxter's personality is, I can tell what Bebop and Rocksteady's personalities are but I'm sure I can really pin Tiger Claw. Look at Bauza's other character on this show, Hun has only had 1 episode of prominence so far but he has a more clear personality and more charisma to boot than Tiger Claw has gotten in 15 or however many episode's he's been in..

[ToTheNines]

Does anyone else hate Tigerclaw's jet pack? I think it makes him completely cheesy.

[CyberCubed]

But the biggest problem might be that he has very little personality to speak of. I can tell you what Xever's personality is, I can tell you what Baxter's personality is, I can tell what Bebop and Rocksteady's personalities are but I'm sure I can really pin Tiger Claw. Look at Bauza's other character on this show, Hun has only had 1 episode of prominence so far but he has a more clear personality and more charisma to boot than Tiger Claw has gotten in 15 or however many episode's he's been in..

Its probably because Tiger Claw isn't paired with anyone. Mutant duos are easily to remember like Bebop/Rocksteady or Rahzar/Fishface.

Tiger Claw has no mutant pair, so he's a one off.

[neatoman]

Does anyone else hate Tigerclaw's jet pack? I think it makes him completely cheesy.

I've heard rumors that Tiger Claw is an homage to Boba Fett, that might be why he has a jetpack. I don't hate the jetpack but I agree it's a little too much.

Its probably because Tiger Claw isn't paired with anyone. Mutant duos are easily to remember like Bebop/Rocksteady or Rahzar/Fishface.

Tiger Claw has no mutant pair, so he's a one off.

Well the problem with that argument is that a bunch of other characters dont really have partners and I still find them to be more interesting than Tiger Claw.

[newhire13]

A Tiger Claw vs Shredder fight would be awesome, but Shredder would win. Tiger Claw can barely hang against Splinter and Shredder and Splinter are pretty evenly matched.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Its probably because Tiger Claw isn't paired with anyone. Mutant duos are easily to remember like Bebop/Rocksteady or Rahzar/Fishface.

Tiger Claw has no mutant pair, so he's a one off.

He doesn't really need to be paired with another mutant. Maybe some interaction between the other mutants would be nice but I think he works better as a lone wolf.

I like the concept of TigerClaw but there's not much to his character besides his doubts towards the Shredder. This show really needs to explore this character. Though since most of season four will focus on space, they probably won't get to his backstory until near the end of this season or most likely season five.

We don't even get much personality or any backstory from Rahzar and this is the most personality he's had. I'm honestly hoping they don't incorporate Tokka for the sake of nostalgia because then that'll add one more character to develop.

[Coola Yagami]

The funny thing is.... you seen the same episodes we have.... you don't know any more or less than the rest of us do. So... unless there's some super rare cancelled/banned/exclusive episode all about Tiger Claw's story... then you pretty much know the answer to your question.

[srmff]

The funny thing is.... you seen the same episodes we have.... you don't know any more or less than the rest of us do. So... unless there's some super rare cancelled/banned/exclusive episode all about Tiger Claw's story... then you pretty much know the answer to your question.

Unless he thought that he must have forgotten something or there's the chance that Ciro and Brandon already gave away his backstory.

[SkolNation26]

First off I loved Tiger Claw showing some character in the season finale! He even asked Shredder what he had done at the end. That was cool! I can see Tiger Claw becoming a bigger player and gaining fans if the writers at Nick decide to stick with this side of the character. He would still be a baddie of course but just not a total mindless follower.
Secondly, is Tiger Claw the same character as "Old Hob", from the comics like a remake or something? Or maybe Old Hob is just inspiration for the Tiger Claw character? I'd be interested to hear some of your thoughts!

[Powder]

Tiger Claw & Old Hob have absolutely nothing to do with each other. TC was Ciro's TMNT OC from childhood that he carried over into the actual series, if memory serves correctly, & OH is someone Kevin & Tom at IDW dreamed up.

[TurFlytle]

Tiger Claw & Old Hob have absolutely nothing to do with each other. TC was Ciro's TMNT OC from childhood that he carried over into the actual series, if memory serves correctly, & OH is someone Kevin & Tom at IDW dreamed up.

To add on to what Powder said. It's a coincidence that both of them have antagonistic roles, are feline characters and have eyepatches. (though Hob's is on the right, while TC's is on the left) It's as much of a coincidence as Red Skull from Marvel and Black Mask from DC.

[ToTheNines]

Tiger Claw & Old Hob have absolutely nothing to do with each other. TC was Ciro's TMNT OC from childhood that he carried over into the actual series, if memory serves correctly, & OH is someone Kevin & Tom at IDW dreamed up.

You're thinking of Newtralizer, as far as Ciro's childhood character goes.

But yeah, they're both original characters and have absolutely nothing in common beyond a few superficial physical parallels.

[Jester]

I think Ciro said similar things about Tiger Claw....but I've been wrong before.

[Powder]

Yeah, I'm fairly sure both characters were carried over from his youth, but I dunno where I read/heard that. Might've been NYCC's 2013 TMNT panel.

[CyberCubed]

Man if deviantart existed in the 80's you would be able to look up Ciro's Newtralizer and Tiger Claw OC's when he was a teenager and say, "Hey, look at the fanart character who became an official TMNT character a decade later."

[neatoman]

I can't decide if using an OC you created as a child for an official product is charming or cringeworthy...

One one hand it is kind of cool for the person doing it, since it lets them make their childhood imagination come to life and I get the appeal for doing that. On the other hand you should remember that TMNT is not Ciro's own creation, so pointlessly shoehorning in new characters (especially characters based on childhood drawings) just comes across as something out of really bad fan fiction...

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Not all fan fiction is bad. For that matter, neither are all OC's. I've seen some really amazing ones, in both categories, and yes, a few real stinkers, too. but I've also seen some incredible re-imaginings of canon characters in fan fiction that were actually BETTER than the original versions. (*cough* Venus *cough*)

As an example, Ed Greenwood, the creator of the Forgotten Realms novel and game world, began with a simple story about a character that he wrote when he was only 9. He kept writing stories about both that original character, and many others he created over the years. The original character's name? Mirt the Moneylender, who went on to become one of the most well-known (and most loved) characters in that entire setting! While he WAS the creator of that world, others have since also contributed characters and stories to that shared world, including Drizzt Do'Urden, Danilo Thann, and many others who have all become staples of that world. So it hardly matters WHO or WHEN the creating came from. What matters is whether it's GOOD.

[Coola Yagami]

I can't decide if using an OC you created as a child for an official product is charming or cringeworthy...

One one hand it is kind of cool for the person doing it, since it lets them make their childhood imagination come to life and I get the appeal for doing that. On the other hand you should remember that TMNT is not Ciro's own creation, so pointlessly shoehorning in new characters (especially characters based on childhood drawings) just comes across as something out of really bad fan fiction...

True, but EVERY new version of a series needs OCs too. Look at everyone complaining that all they're doing is rehashing 80's character, after 80's character after 80's character. Maybe Tiger Claw and Newtralizer are childhood characters, but they're cool. We also got Fishface and Rahzar (I don't really consider anything about him related to the previous Rahzar. All he has is the name. It's like calling Pigeon Pete 'Koya'. Nothing in common at all) which were both entertaining for a while.

[Luckyday]

^Plus is really self-pandering if most of them are going to be toys meant for 10 year olds that was designed by a 10 year old or is it a brilliant marketing move?

[neatoman]

True, but EVERY new version of a series needs OCs too. Look at everyone complaining that all they're doing is rehashing 80's character, after 80's character after 80's character. Maybe Tiger Claw and Newtralizer are childhood characters, but they're cool. We also got Fishface and Rahzar (I don't really consider anything about him related to the previous Rahzar. All he has is the name. It's like calling Pigeon Pete 'Koya'. Nothing in common at all) which were both entertaining for a while.

Well I'm not saying there isn't a need for new characters but I don't see much point to Tiger Claw. After a season and a half of having this character around, the most character development he has had is thinking Shredder has crappy priorities. So unless they can figure out something to do with him, I'm not going care about him.

And no, in case someone is going to argue this, having a mysterious past and cool gadgets does not make a boring character any less boring.

[Luckyday]

Well I'm not saying there isn't a need for new characters but I don't see much point to Tiger Claw. After a season and a half of having this character around, the most character development he has had is thinking Shredder has crappy priorities. So unless they can figure out something to do with him, I'm not going care about him.

And no, in case someone is going to argue this, having a mysterious past and cool gadgets does not make a boring character any less boring.

This is more then true. This is the same problem with Hun to many 90% of the Shredder's henchmen. Most of them are just physical obstacles to being the guys who are...just there saying one liners.

Season 1 with Bradford and Xever was something interesting and although it was most of the time it was just them bickering over stupid ****, but what it made it interesting was that they had clearly came from different backgrounds with Bradford being pompous and privilege, and Xever being a skeevy street rat.

I could say with Baxter Stockman. Before he became baxterfly, he was more a character but after the mutation, he become more stock then character because now he is just a guy that makes creepy stuff in the basement and although it's a least something that stands out but it's a huge step back to what he was before.

I really hope they do something with Bebop and Rocksteady because these two are only ones that clearly hates Shredder's guts but are still kind of scumbags themselves. These two have so much potential.

[Metropoliskid41]

Man if deviantart existed in the 80's you would be able to look up Ciro's Newtralizer and Tiger Claw OC's when he was a teenager and say, "Hey, look at the fanart character who became an official TMNT character a decade later."

What year in the 1980's do you add 10 to and get 2014?

[Mugen_Jin18]

The only thing I'm really anxious to see is who his rival is. Maybe the kraang mutated a bunch of cats decades ago & his rival is also some kind cat mutant(Old Hob). I actually hope it ends up being Usagi Yojimbo, it would make sense if they keep Usagi as samurai like in OT.

[victory_angel]

The only thing I'm really anxious to see is who his rival is. Maybe the kraang mutated a bunch of cats decades ago & his rival is also some kind cat mutant(Old Hob). I actually hope it ends up being Usagi Yojimbo, it would make sense if they keep Usagi as samurai like in OT.

But Usagi belongs to another property. The only reason Stan Sakai had allowed the use of Miyamoto Usagi was because he was friends with Peter Laired.