Did we ever find out Tiger Claw's backstory?

[CyberCubed]

This is something I just thought of now that Season 3 has concluded, did we ever find out Tiger Claw's backstory? Because I really don't remember.

Did we ever find out how he became a mutant or what his human form looked like? Or who cut off his tail and why Shredder trusts him? I don't think they ever did give him a backstory episode, did they?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

This is something I just thought of now that Season 3 has concluded, did we ever find out Tiger Claw's backstory? Because I really don't remember.

Did we ever find out how he became a mutant or what his human form looked like? Or who cut off his tail and why Shredder trusts him? I don't think they ever did give him a backstory episode, did they?

Don't worry; it'll be in the same episode where we find out how Raph cracked his plastron.

[Amaranthus]

I'm pretty sure he's this series' version of Oroku Nagi.

[ToTheNines]

That makes no sense. Saki is this series' version of Oroku Nagi.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Oroku Nagi? Who's Oroku Nagi?

[IndigoErth]

Think we've only gotten very minimal details. All I recall is that he was supposedly a kid when he was mutated. Don't think they ever went into the how's or why's of that though, nor the missing tail.

[victory_angel]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Oroku Nagi? Who's Oroku Nagi?

Oroku Nagi was first introduced in the Mirage Comic. He was the older brother of Oroku Saki. Nagi was the one who loved Tang Shen aside from Yoshi, and he couldn't accept that she had chosen Yoshi as her husband. So one night he breaks into Yoshi's house and beats her until Yoshi arrives and kills him. And since killing a member of ones own clan was cause for banishment. Yoshi and Shen travel to New York and start a new life there. Saki follows them to New York years later and kills Yoshi and Shen to avenge his brothers murder.

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Think we've only gotten very minimal details. All I recall is that he was supposedly a kid when he was mutated. Don't think they ever went into the how's or why's of that though, nor the missing tail.

According to Rahzar in Wormquake. Tiger Claw had been mutated by the Kraang decades ago.

And when Karai asked him about his tail...Tiger Claw says "I lost my tail in a duel against an adversary, whom he hopes to find one day and slay."

I thought it was interesting that during the vision quest Donnie was put against Tiger Claw rather then Stockmen. And also Donnie is the only Turtle that Tiger Claw never encountered initially. He knew Donatello existed and he lumps him in with his brothers because well he's a Turtle. But I often wondered why the writers and the production team, wanted to play things out in that fashion.

Donnie tends to excel in situations that deal with diplomacy more then situations that require brute force. So it is surmise-able that if Donnie was abducted by the Foot Clan, he would try to reach his enemy by trying to understand him. Such as asking how he was mutated? why was he mutated? Why is he getting out of being involved with the Shredder?

At first Tiger Claw would be resistant to it and say "Such questions are no business of yours "little one". But after a while he might be more forth coming about his past and why he sides with the Shredder. And maybe the shear fact that someone is seeing him and talking to him as though he were a person and not as a weapon might cause a shift in Tiger Claws mindset.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by victory_angel

Oroku Nagi was first introduced in the Mirage Comic. He was the older brother of Oroku Saki. Nagi was the one who loved Tang Shen aside from Yoshi, and he couldn't accept that she had chosen Yoshi as her husband. So one night he breaks into Yoshi's house and beats her until Yoshi arrives and kills him. And since killing a member of ones own clan was cause for banishment. Yoshi and Shen travel to New York and start a new life there. Saki follows them to New York years later and kills Yoshi and Shen to avenge his brothers murder.

An excellent recap, milady! But I must confess, however... I was speaking in jest, spinning a web of satire, and basically being my usual tongue-in-cheek self.

Kind of a court jester, except usually angrier and growlier. A drunk Scottish court jester, maybe? Or Russian? Hmm... gonna have to work on that persona a little more.

[Ninturtle]

Tiger Claw was a kid mutated by the Kraang and became a circus freak. Eventually he became a criminal and eventually gets employed by Shredder. They mentioned this in his debut episode.
Ciro actually said this at 2013 NYCC , we only know he was a mutant as a kid.

[CyberCubed]

Was any of this ever mentioned in the show at all?

[Ninturtle]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Was any of this ever mentioned in the show at all?

They mentioned that he was mutated as a kid in the show.

[victory_angel]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Was any of this ever mentioned in the show at all?

Rahzar said and I quote: "All I know is that he's a deadly assassin. The Kraang mutated him when he was a kid decades ago."


and later on after Karai pointed out that Tiger Claw lacked a tail. Tiger Claw says and again I quote:

"Don't mock me, child! It was a rival who sliced off my tail, one day I will find it and HE WILL pay the price!"

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Originally Posted by victory_angel

Oroku Nagi was first introduced in the Mirage Comic. He was the older brother of Oroku Saki. Nagi was the one who loved Tang Shen aside from Yoshi, and he couldn't accept that she had chosen Yoshi as her husband. So one night he breaks into Yoshi's house and beats her until Yoshi arrives and kills him. And since killing a member of ones own clan was cause for banishment. Yoshi and Shen travel to New York and start a new life there. Saki follows them to New York years later and kills Yoshi and Shen to avenge his brothers murder.

I still look forward to the day we see a film or an animated version of Oroku Nagi.

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

An excellent recap, milady! But I must confess, however... I was speaking in jest, spinning a web of satire, and basically being my usual tongue-in-cheek self.

Kind of a court jester, except usually angrier and growlier. A drunk Scottish court jester, maybe? Or Russian? Hmm... gonna have to work on that persona a little more.

But you're no Jester, you're CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy, dear fellow.

Glad that you were joking because I was about to say....

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer

I still look forward to the day we see a film or an animated version of Oroku Nagi.



But you're no Jester, you're CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy, dear fellow.

Glad that you were joking because I was about to say....

Unless a series is able to tell the "cycle of vengeance" storyline with any justice or lack of "kid-friendly", I'd rather not see Oroku Nagi. I think he only works best when the Turtles are fighting a pointless battle against Shredder, the fight having started two or three or four lives ago... which honestly, only Mirage has ever done.

But, every other main respected TMNT retelling has done admirably in giving the Saki/Yoshi feud a new spin:

IDW, with reincarnation and the Pantheon
Nick, with Saki stealing Miwa and raising her to hate her biological father
4Kids, with the Shredder actually being a revenge-driven Utrom (controversial, yes, but I loved it)

And yeah, Jester's nowhere near as funny as I am. I mean, he doesn't post anywhere near as often, whereas I post multiple times a day, so even if I'm only funny once a day, I'm still hilarious in terms of quantity versus quality, right? Right? RIGHT?

Put away the rotten vegetables, mates, and save that produce for internet movies reviews, thankyaverymuch.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Actually, I'm saving them for the Half Shell movie next year. Why should Rotten Tomatoes have all the fun?

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer

I still look forward to the day we see a film or an animated version of Oroku Nagi.

Closest thing we had was Yukio Mashimi.

[Luckyday]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Unless a series is able to tell the "cycle of vengeance" storyline with any justice or lack of "kid-friendly", I'd rather not see Oroku Nagi. I think he only works best when the Turtles are fighting a pointless battle against Shredder, the fight having started two or three or four lives ago... which honestly, only Mirage has ever done.

But, every other main respected TMNT retelling has done admirably in giving the Saki/Yoshi feud a new spin:

IDW, with reincarnation and the Pantheon
Nick, with Saki stealing Miwa and raising her to hate her biological father
4Kids, with the Shredder actually being a revenge-driven Utrom (controversial, yes, but I loved it)

I think the "cycle of vengeance" storyline can be done since Saki's origin in the show really parallels with Karai's. It's more of a complex/mature storyline then too dark and scary for the kids, which they have no problem doing dark but god forbid if they suddenly make this show deeper then Avatar: The Last Airbender.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Luckyday

I think the "cycle of vengeance" storyline can be done since Saki's origin in the show really parallels with Karai's. It's more of a complex/mature storyline then too dark and scary for the kids, which they have no problem doing dark but god forbid if they suddenly make this show deeper then Avatar: The Last Airbender.

Respectfully disagree; the Saki/Yoshi clan started with the immediately prior generation: Oroku Saki and Hamato Yoshi. Yoshi IS Splinter, and Saki IS the only Oroku involved. The Turtles are only one generation removed (Splinter/Yoshi) as opposed to two, and Splinter/Yoshi has never struck back decisively against the Oroku Clan (as in, say, killing the non-existent Nagi).

The cycle of vengeance storyline cannot be adapted properly by Nick because there is no moral grey ground on whether or not Splinter and the Turtles are in the right for fighting the Foot Clan. Same for IDW or 4Kids.

[Luckyday]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Respectfully disagree; the Saki/Yoshi clan started with the immediately prior generation: Oroku Saki and Hamato Yoshi. Yoshi IS Splinter, and Saki IS the only Oroku involved. The Turtles are only one generation removed (Splinter/Yoshi) as opposed to two, and Splinter/Yoshi has never struck back decisively against the Oroku Clan (as in, say, killing the non-existent Nagi).

The cycle of vengeance storyline cannot be adapted properly by Nick because there is no moral grey ground on whether or not Splinter and the Turtles are in the right for fighting the Foot Clan. Same for IDW or 4Kids.

alright, I guess so.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Luckyday

alright, I guess so.

Hey, don't fold! Just my opinion. Didn't mean to come off as browbeating; I just bolded one sentence for the TL;DR version.