So... um... Bishop...

[Coola Yagami]

I caught the middle of the episodes today.... and Bishop is some good guy Utron who basically looks like all the other human Utroms but with shades....? What of all did I miss?

[ToTheNines]

The Utrom's here are a peaceful, more intelligent tribe of Kraang. Bishop was not a villain here, but his fighting style was familiar and the fact that his mission is to stop the Kraang keeps him in line enough with his source material.

I'm glad he wasn't the ruthless, alien obsessed villain he used to be, since the Kraang are so dumb that 2k3 Bishop would mop the floor with them. I do hope he and the rest of the Utroms link up with the EPF in season 4 though.

[GoldMutant]

Just like ToTheNines pointed out, off camera Bishop was a member of the Kraang hive mind, but he broke away from it and established as part of the Utroms. Once more, the Utroms are a peaceful race just like most other incarnations. Utrom Bishop is ultimately responsible for creating these Norman suits too.

I have to say, I can be fine with recreations of Hun and Zog, but I really don't like this being Bishop. I already am disappointed in Nolan North voicing him (personally believe someone else should have done it to be unique), but why turn the complex villain of the 2003 series into another alien? I get it's based on the book that was published, but seriously this is not a decision I agree with.

Though I'm interested in seeing the Utroms again, this feels like a disappointment addition to the roster. Although everyone can finally shut up about Bishop, I am nonetheless annoyed this is how they bring him in. The reveal with the actual chess piece was cool though. :)

[ToTheNines]

I get it's based on the book that was published, but seriously this is not a decision I agree with.

You know that book was based off of the episode scripts, right?

[GoldMutant]

You know that book was based off of the episode scripts, right?

Yes, I am aware of that. Still a great episode and by far the best of the third season.

Bishop being what he is I'm honestly disappointed in. He just doesn't stand out too much, especially with the other Normans we've seen, glasses or not. I'll probably get accustomed to it, but it's extremely jarring to me personally much more than Hun.

[Candy Kappa]

Personally, I quite liked this version of Bishop.

[CyberCubed]

I get the feeling Bishop is a nod to 2k3 Shredder. Just like Shredder was an Utrom in 4kids, now Nick's Bishop is an Utrom.

Personally I think it works really well. He looks and acts exactly like Bishop (unlike Nick's Hun), and he'll probably lead the EPF too.

[Powder]

I like this move. I never saw it coming, it's a very unique turn on the character, & it adds another layer of Mirage (utroms) to the mythos.

Plus it aims to appeal to whiny 4kids fans without necessarily giving in entirely. I like that.

[Huzzah]

I actually like his he was handled, unlike Hun. Though I'm mostly interested in the fact he pointed out Kraang Sub Prime was once an Utrom as well. I'd been wondering why he seemed so different that the other Kraang.

[Coola Yagami]

Getting kinda sick of the lazy designs here. Slap some shades on one of the countless Kraang drones we're seen since episode 1, call him Bishop and call it a day. Use Bradford's human form, just color the arms metallic, call him Chrome Dome and call it a day. I'm wonder when all is said and done, how many of these lazy re-use characters we're gonna get. Maybe put a new hat on the tea part girl and call her Shadow.

[victory_angel]

I actually asked Brandon Auman that since Bishop is an Utrom in this series and not a government agent hell bent on expunging the Earth of all alien life.
Would Dirk Savage be closer to filling Bishops 2k3 role.

And he answered
"Wait and see if Bishop comes back. ;)" So we may see the original bishop we know and love or rather loath.

[CyberCubed]

Getting kinda sick of the lazy designs here. Slap some shades on one of the countless Kraang drones we're seen since episode 1, call him Bishop and call it a day. Use Bradford's human form, just color the arms metallic, call him Chrome Dome and call it a day. I'm wonder when all is said and done, how many of these lazy re-use characters we're gonna get. Maybe put a new hat on the tea part girl and call her Shadow.

What on earth? Bishop's design looked exactly like the Kraang droids from day 1. Its not a re-used design, Bishop also said they based the drones on his first one. And he looks exactly like him.

Calling it lazy makes me think you missed the entire point and it flew over your head.

[Powder]

Getting kinda sick of the lazy designs here. Slap some shades on one of the countless Kraang drones we're seen since episode 1, call him Bishop and call it a day. Use Bradford's human form, just color the arms metallic, call him Chrome Dome and call it a day. I'm wonder when all is said and done, how many of these lazy re-use characters we're gonna get. Maybe put a new hat on the tea part girl and call her Shadow.

It's not a matter of lazy, they have to make the best of their resources due to budget constraints. That being said, I think all of these moves have been clever regardless of that, but especially because of it.

[ToTheNines]

What on earth? Bishop's design looked exactly like the Kraang droids from day 1. Its not a re-used design, Bishop also said they based the drones on his first one. And he looks exactly like him.

Calling it lazy makes me think you missed the entire point and it flew over your head.

You understand cartoons aren't real right? The Kraang didn't actually steal his suit, the writers made that up when they were developing season 3.

[matteso586]

You understand cartoons aren't real right? The Kraang didn't actually steal his suit, the writers made that up when they were developing season 3.

1) I think he missed the sunglasses. 2) Bishop said The Kraang copied his suit. 3) There are other shows that further evolve someone or something's history, that are not even planned from the beginning. For example, Adventure Time's I Remember You.

[Ceres]

Even more interesting to add is the relationship Subprime and Bishop had in their past(seeing as Bishop called KSP brother where this was simply because they have been both Utroms or simply because they are really blood related.) I also wondered why Bishop stayed back with the Utroms while KSP turned back to the Kraang. A huge headscratcher for me to be honest and i truly hope their relationship will be given a bit more substance :)

Another thing that bugged me however on Bishop was that he looked like a generic Kraang, even Kraang Subprime got a unique design while Bishop was rather bland to be honest. Also this is more wishful thinking as fact but wouldn't it be cool if Bishop has the same Tattoo as KSP just on the other side? I think this would be a nice touch but that's just me :)

[Zak The Neutrino]

I thought it was unexpected and I enjoyed it. I'm curious to see what they do with him in the future.

[Casey]

Having not watched a lot of 2k3 and hearing you guys on here talk about Bishop non-stop for years, I really liked the way they included him and the fact that they did at all. I love his design and the reveal that he was a good guy and a new incarnation of Utroms. I like how they are still paying homage to previous turtleverses.

[CyberCubed]

Having not watched a lot of 2k3 and hearing you guys on here talk about Bishop non-stop for years, I really liked the way they included him and the fact that they did at all. I love his design and the reveal that he was a good guy and a new incarnation of Utroms. I like how they are still paying homage to previous turtleverses.

You should watch the 2k3 series as a whole. Its still one of the strongest written TMNT cartoons.

[Casey]

You should watch the 2k3 series as a whole. Its still one of the strongest written TMNT cartoons.

I have always planned on watching most if not all of it, but I haven't got around to it yet. I watched it religiously for the first 2 seasons when they were first airing and I loved it. By the time it got around to FF, I had completely lost interest.

[CyberCubed]

I have always planned on watching most if not all of it, but I haven't got around to it yet. I watched it religiously for the first 2 seasons when they were first airing and I loved it. By the time it got around to FF, I had completely lost interest.

So then why did you stop long before that? Either way I'm pretty sure the entire show is watchable online if you look hard enough.

[Zak The Neutrino]

I have always planned on watching most if not all of it, but I haven't got around to it yet. I watched it religiously for the first 2 seasons when they were first airing and I loved it. By the time it got around to FF, I had completely lost interest.

I'm in the same boat as you on that one. I just recently started watching that series.

[shinefra]

Bishop was my favorite villain of the 2002 series, this one has no personality, he’s just another Krang model to save money on character design. I hope his character develops better with time. :tcool:

[Technogeek29]

I admit orignally I was hard on the character take at first, but I can see this working. Bishop is good (never really being evil actually) Just make him an extremist like the original while he wants to stop the Kraang, show he isn't above using others as a means to an end.

Putting the Turtles in the dilemma of his intentions are good but his actions say otherwise.

[BubblyShell22]

I really like this incarnation of Bishop and the back story of what happened with the Kraang. There's always the possibility he could turn bad, so we can't rule that out. But for what he is now, I'm fine with it. I love that they brought the Utroms in. Now I hope we some Neutrinos next.

[Avatar Yuffie]

Evil Utrom Shredder exists. Good guy Bishop serving the same plot twist didn't bug me. The fact he becomes a benevolent world leader in 2k3's future helped.

[matteso586]

Is anyone confused about how he knows that the Triceratons are coming?

[Coola Yagami]

You understand cartoons aren't real right? The Kraang didn't actually steal his suit, the writers made that up when they were developing season 3.

Exactly. They were lazy once again... and made up some backstory bs to excuse it. Doesn't change the fact that it was still lazy. Especially for a major character like Bishop. Chrome Dome annoys me, but at least he was a minor cameo character. Bishop was a main villain in the 2K3 and his new incarnation here deserved better.

[Powder]

Again, it's not "lazy", it's using resources. They have budgetary restrictions & have to make moves wisely.

[Shark_Blade]

I kinda like how Bishop is the origin of the Kraangs' clone android bodies.

For the story plot, at least we saw Karai spitting out the memory worm so... did she remember? She's dead for now anyway.

[Diorm]

Again, it's not "lazy", it's using resources. They have budgetary restrictions & have to make moves wisely.

Ok, so why are they making a whole new season with new planets new models and all right after that?
Don't get me wrong, I like the Bishop idea but budget was not the reason.

[Ninjinister]

Ok, so why are they making a whole new season with new planets new models and all right after that?
Don't get me wrong, I like the Bishop idea but budget was not the reason.

New season = new budget.

[Diorm]

New season = new budget.

So for a season big Final they have no Budget left? Makes no sense.

[Chopperface]

I'm pleased to have a 2003 original in the show, I always am, and Bishop is being developed more than Hun in the span of a whole episode. He was only around for an episode, however, and I'd like to see more of him, but on the whole I'm pleased with 2012 Bishop. The new take opens some new potential, maybe he can be the new Kurtzman, a Nick Fury-esque figure so they don't have to keep paying to have Robert Forster.

Just like ToTheNines pointed out, off camera Bishop was a member of the Kraang hive mind, but he broke away from it and established as part of the Utroms. Once more, the Utroms are a peaceful race just like most other incarnations. Utrom Bishop is ultimately responsible for creating these Norman suits too.

I have to say, I can be fine with recreations of Hun and Zog, but I really don't like this being Bishop. I already am disappointed in Nolan North voicing him (personally believe someone else should have done it to be unique), but why turn the complex villain of the 2003 series into another alien? I get it's based on the book that was published, but seriously this is not a decision I agree with.

Though I'm interested in seeing the Utroms again, this feels like a disappointment addition to the roster. Although everyone can finally shut up about Bishop, I am nonetheless annoyed this is how they bring him in. The reveal with the actual chess piece was cool though. :)

I do agree that we should've had a different actor playing Bishop just to make him stand out better from the rest of the Kraang. Sub-Prime and Prime have unique voices, why couldn't Bishop?

Getting kinda sick of the lazy designs here. Slap some shades on one of the countless Kraang drones we're seen since episode 1, call him Bishop and call it a day. Use Bradford's human form, just color the arms metallic, call him Chrome Dome and call it a day. I'm wonder when all is said and done, how many of these lazy re-use characters we're gonna get. Maybe put a new hat on the tea part girl and call her Shadow.

It did feel lazy since it was just the Norman design we've had from day 1 with glasses. I'm too used to looking at Bishop and thinking Kraang.

What on earth? Bishop's design looked exactly like the Kraang droids from day 1. Its not a re-used design, Bishop also said they based the drones on his first one. And he looks exactly like him.

Calling it lazy makes me think you missed the entire point and it flew over your head.

Yeah it is a re-used design because the Norman animation model has been around from the start, and they used it for a whole new character with the only difference being the glasses. No, you missed the entire point.

[The Happy One]

Again, it's not "lazy", it's using resources. They have budgetary restrictions & have to make moves wisely.

Have to agree with this, guys. Why make a whole new design for a character that was only gonna show up in the finale when they could be resourceful and use they Kraang outer body suit and thus explain that he created it?
The rest are clones. They're supposed to look like him, I believe.

But, perhaps, since his body was shot through a few times, the next time we see Bishop he could have a new, unique body. Who knows?:D

But I definitely think resourceful is the word. I mean, with the whole new backgrounds and settings just in that one finale I doubt they'd be 'lazy' with Bishop...

[Splinter the boss]

Is anyone confused about how he knows that the Triceratons are coming?

I'm confused how he contacted the fugitoid to get him to help the turtles. There was no time, it is not like he knew the turtles were gonna fail to stop the triceratons

[victory_angel]

I'm confused how he contacted the fugitoid to get him to help the turtles. There was no time, it is not like he knew the turtles were gonna fail to stop the triceratons

I think he contacted the HoneyCutt before he contacted Turtles and told him to be on stand by. Then when his android body was destroyed, he probably contacted Honeycutt again, and told him to step in and rescue the Turtles and anyone with them to if things got disastrous.

[Splinter the boss]

I think he contacted the HoneyCutt before he contacted Turtles and told him to be on stand by. Then when his android body was destroyed, he probably contacted Honeycutt again, and told him to step in and rescue the Turtles and anyone with them to if things got disastrous.

Got it, thank you.