So... um... Bishop...

*Coola Yagami* · 09-27-2015, 01:21 PM

I caught the middle of the episodes today.... and Bishop is some good guy Utron who basically looks like all the other human Utroms but with shades....? What of all did I miss?

*ToTheNines* · 09-27-2015, 01:26 PM

The Utrom's here are a peaceful, more intelligent tribe of Kraang. Bishop was not a villain here, but his fighting style was familiar and the fact that his mission is to stop the Kraang keeps him in line enough with his source material.

I'm glad he wasn't the ruthless, alien obsessed villain he used to be, since the Kraang are so dumb that 2k3 Bishop would mop the floor with them. I do hope he and the rest of the Utroms link up with the EPF in season 4 though.

*GoldMutant* · 09-27-2015, 03:07 PM

Spoiler:

I have to say, I can be fine with recreations of Hun and Zog, but I really don't like this being Bishop. I already am disappointed in Nolan North voicing him (personally believe someone else should have done it to be unique), but why turn the complex villain of the 2003 series into another alien? I get it's based on the book that was published, but seriously this is not a decision I agree with.

Though I'm interested in seeing the Utroms again, this feels like a disappointment addition to the roster. Although everyone can finally shut up about Bishop, I am nonetheless annoyed this is how they bring him in. The reveal with the actual chess piece was cool though.

*ToTheNines* · 09-27-2015, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldMutant

I get it's based on the book that was published, but seriously this is not a decision I agree with.

You know that book was based off of the episode scripts, right?

*GoldMutant* · 09-27-2015, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ToTheNines

You know that book was based off of the episode scripts, right?

Yes, I am aware of that. Still a great episode and by far the best of the third season.

Bishop being what he is I'm honestly disappointed in. He just doesn't stand out too much, especially with the other Normans we've seen, glasses or not. I'll probably get accustomed to it, but it's extremely jarring to me personally much more than Hun.

*Candy Kappa* · 09-27-2015, 03:29 PM

Personally, I quite liked this version of Bishop.

*CyberCubed* · 09-27-2015, 03:59 PM

I get the feeling Bishop is a nod to 2k3 Shredder. Just like Shredder was an Utrom in 4kids, now Nick's Bishop is an Utrom.

Personally I think it works really well. He looks and acts exactly like Bishop (unlike Nick's Hun), and he'll probably lead the EPF too.

*Powder* · 09-27-2015, 04:47 PM

I like this move. I never saw it coming, it's a very unique turn on the character, & it adds another layer of Mirage (utroms) to the mythos.

Plus it aims to appeal to whiny 4kids fans without necessarily giving in entirely. I like that.

Huzzah · 09-27-2015, 07:32 PM

I actually like his he was handled, unlike Hun. Though I'm mostly interested in the fact he pointed out Kraang Sub Prime was once an Utrom as well. I'd been wondering why he seemed so different that the other Kraang.

*Coola Yagami* · 09-27-2015, 11:57 PM

Getting kinda sick of the lazy designs here. Slap some shades on one of the countless Kraang drones we're seen since episode 1, call him Bishop and call it a day. Use Bradford's human form, just color the arms metallic, call him Chrome Dome and call it a day. I'm wonder when all is said and done, how many of these lazy re-use characters we're gonna get. Maybe put a new hat on the tea part girl and call her Shadow.

*victory_angel* · 09-28-2015, 12:06 AM

I actually asked Brandon Auman that since Bishop is an Utrom in this series and not a government agent hell bent on expunging the Earth of all alien life.
Would Dirk Savage be closer to filling Bishops 2k3 role.

And he answered
"Wait and see if Bishop comes back.

" So we may see the original bishop we know and love or rather loath.

*CyberCubed* · 09-28-2015, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Getting kinda sick of the lazy designs here. Slap some shades on one of the countless Kraang drones we're seen since episode 1, call him Bishop and call it a day. Use Bradford's human form, just color the arms metallic, call him Chrome Dome and call it a day. I'm wonder when all is said and done, how many of these lazy re-use characters we're gonna get. Maybe put a new hat on the tea part girl and call her Shadow.

What on earth? Bishop's design looked exactly like the Kraang droids from day 1. Its not a re-used design, Bishop also said they based the drones on his first one. And he looks exactly like him.

Calling it lazy makes me think you missed the entire point and it flew over your head.

*Powder* · 09-28-2015, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Getting kinda sick of the lazy designs here. Slap some shades on one of the countless Kraang drones we're seen since episode 1, call him Bishop and call it a day. Use Bradford's human form, just color the arms metallic, call him Chrome Dome and call it a day. I'm wonder when all is said and done, how many of these lazy re-use characters we're gonna get. Maybe put a new hat on the tea part girl and call her Shadow.

It's not a matter of lazy, they have to make the best of their resources due to budget constraints. That being said, I think all of these moves have been clever regardless of that, but especially because of it.

*ToTheNines* · 09-28-2015, 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

What on earth? Bishop's design looked exactly like the Kraang droids from day 1. Its not a re-used design, Bishop also said they based the drones on his first one. And he looks exactly like him.

Calling it lazy makes me think you missed the entire point and it flew over your head.

You understand cartoons aren't real right? The Kraang didn't actually steal his suit, the writers made that up when they were developing season 3.

matteso586 · 09-28-2015, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ToTheNines

You understand cartoons aren't real right? The Kraang didn't actually steal his suit, the writers made that up when they were developing season 3.

1) I think he missed the sunglasses. 2) Bishop said The Kraang copied his suit. 3) There are other shows that further evolve someone or something's history, that are not even planned from the beginning. For example, Adventure Time's I Remember You.

Ceres · 09-28-2015, 08:23 AM

Even more interesting to add is the relationship Subprime and Bishop had in their past(seeing as Bishop called KSP brother where this was simply because they have been both Utroms or simply because they are really blood related.) I also wondered why Bishop stayed back with the Utroms while KSP turned back to the Kraang. A huge headscratcher for me to be honest and i truly hope their relationship will be given a bit more substance

Another thing that bugged me however on Bishop was that he looked like a generic Kraang, even Kraang Subprime got a unique design while Bishop was rather bland to be honest. Also this is more wishful thinking as fact but wouldn't it be cool if Bishop has the same Tattoo as KSP just on the other side? I think this would be a nice touch but that's just me

Zak The Neutrino · 09-28-2015, 09:55 AM

I thought it was unexpected and I enjoyed it. I'm curious to see what they do with him in the future.

Casey · 09-28-2015, 01:11 PM

Having not watched a lot of 2k3 and hearing you guys on here talk about Bishop non-stop for years, I really liked the way they included him and the fact that they did at all. I love his design and the reveal that he was a good guy and a new incarnation of Utroms. I like how they are still paying homage to previous turtleverses.

*CyberCubed* · 09-28-2015, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Casey

Having not watched a lot of 2k3 and hearing you guys on here talk about Bishop non-stop for years, I really liked the way they included him and the fact that they did at all. I love his design and the reveal that he was a good guy and a new incarnation of Utroms. I like how they are still paying homage to previous turtleverses.

You should watch the 2k3 series as a whole. Its still one of the strongest written TMNT cartoons.

Casey · 09-28-2015, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

You should watch the 2k3 series as a whole. Its still one of the strongest written TMNT cartoons.

I have always planned on watching most if not all of it, but I haven't got around to it yet. I watched it religiously for the first 2 seasons when they were first airing and I loved it. By the time it got around to FF, I had completely lost interest.

09-27-2015, 01:21 PM	#1
Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15,710	So... um... Bishop... I caught the middle of the episodes today.... and Bishop is some good guy Utron who basically looks like all the other human Utroms but with shades....? What of all did I miss? __________________ "I was down with TMNT once, but then they changed what TMNT was. Now what I was down with is no longer TMNT and what TMNT now is seems weird and scary. And it'll happen to YOU." Check out my blog for Comic Reviews and other things. https://markepicblogofrandomness.blogspot.com/ I also started The AEW Crew, the All Elite Wrestling Fan Club! https://www.facebook.com/groups/637508120044168/

09-27-2015, 03:07 PM	#3
GoldMutant Control Your Narrative Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: New England Posts: 1,763	Spoilers in case nobody saw the episode still Spoiler: Just like ToTheNines pointed out, off camera Bishop was a member of the Kraang hive mind, but he broke away from it and established as part of the Utroms. Once more, the Utroms are a peaceful race just like most other incarnations. Utrom Bishop is ultimately responsible for creating these Norman suits too. I have to say, I can be fine with recreations of Hun and Zog, but I really don't like this being Bishop. I already am disappointed in Nolan North voicing him (personally believe someone else should have done it to be unique), but why turn the complex villain of the 2003 series into another alien? I get it's based on the book that was published, but seriously this is not a decision I agree with. Though I'm interested in seeing the Utroms again, this feels like a disappointment addition to the roster. Although everyone can finally shut up about Bishop, I am nonetheless annoyed this is how they bring him in. The reveal with the actual chess piece was cool though.

09-27-2015, 03:29 PM	#6
Candy Kappa The Agenda of Existing Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Vikingland Posts: 14,596	Personally, I quite liked this version of Bishop. __________________ devianArt Instagram Youtube Tumblr Art Blog Patreon

09-27-2015, 07:32 PM	#9
Huzzah Mad Scientist Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Independence, Louisiana Posts: 1,124	I actually like his he was handled, unlike Hun. Though I'm mostly interested in the fact he pointed out Kraang Sub Prime was once an Utrom as well. I'd been wondering why he seemed so different that the other Kraang. __________________ https://www.flickr.com/photos/93225684@N02/ https://tmntnextmutation.wordpress.com/

09-27-2015, 11:57 PM	#10
Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15,710	Getting kinda sick of the lazy designs here. Slap some shades on one of the countless Kraang drones we're seen since episode 1, call him Bishop and call it a day. Use Bradford's human form, just color the arms metallic, call him Chrome Dome and call it a day. I'm wonder when all is said and done, how many of these lazy re-use characters we're gonna get. Maybe put a new hat on the tea part girl and call her Shadow. __________________ "I was down with TMNT once, but then they changed what TMNT was. Now what I was down with is no longer TMNT and what TMNT now is seems weird and scary. And it'll happen to YOU." Check out my blog for Comic Reviews and other things. https://markepicblogofrandomness.blogspot.com/ I also started The AEW Crew, the All Elite Wrestling Fan Club! https://www.facebook.com/groups/637508120044168/

09-27-2015, 01:26 PM	#2
ToTheNines Col. Stinkmeaner Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 19,363	The Utrom's here are a peaceful, more intelligent tribe of Kraang. Bishop was not a villain here, but his fighting style was familiar and the fact that his mission is to stop the Kraang keeps him in line enough with his source material. I'm glad he wasn't the ruthless, alien obsessed villain he used to be, since the Kraang are so dumb that 2k3 Bishop would mop the floor with them. I do hope he and the rest of the Utroms link up with the EPF in season 4 though.

09-27-2015, 03:59 PM	#7
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,880	I get the feeling Bishop is a nod to 2k3 Shredder. Just like Shredder was an Utrom in 4kids, now Nick's Bishop is an Utrom. Personally I think it works really well. He looks and acts exactly like Bishop (unlike Nick's Hun), and he'll probably lead the EPF too.

09-27-2015, 04:47 PM	#8
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,956	I like this move. I never saw it coming, it's a very unique turn on the character, & it adds another layer of Mirage (utroms) to the mythos. Plus it aims to appeal to whiny 4kids fans without necessarily giving in entirely. I like that.

09-28-2015, 12:06 AM	#11
victory_angel Foot Elite Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Ca Posts: 3,108	I actually asked Brandon Auman that since Bishop is an Utrom in this series and not a government agent hell bent on expunging the Earth of all alien life. Would Dirk Savage be closer to filling Bishops 2k3 role. And he answered "Wait and see if Bishop comes back. " So we may see the original bishop we know and love or rather loath. __________________

09-28-2015, 08:23 AM	#16
Ceres Stone Warrior Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Germany Posts: 601	Even more interesting to add is the relationship Subprime and Bishop had in their past(seeing as Bishop called KSP brother where this was simply because they have been both Utroms or simply because they are really blood related.) I also wondered why Bishop stayed back with the Utroms while KSP turned back to the Kraang. A huge headscratcher for me to be honest and i truly hope their relationship will be given a bit more substance Another thing that bugged me however on Bishop was that he looked like a generic Kraang, even Kraang Subprime got a unique design while Bishop was rather bland to be honest. Also this is more wishful thinking as fact but wouldn't it be cool if Bishop has the same Tattoo as KSP just on the other side? I think this would be a nice touch but that's just me __________________ "Shredder, why don't you make love to me anymore?"

09-28-2015, 09:55 AM	#17
Zak The Neutrino Stone Warrior Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: WI Posts: 654	I thought it was unexpected and I enjoyed it. I'm curious to see what they do with him in the future.

09-28-2015, 01:11 PM	#18
Casey Stone Warrior Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Brooklyn, NYC Posts: 583	Having not watched a lot of 2k3 and hearing you guys on here talk about Bishop non-stop for years, I really liked the way they included him and the fact that they did at all. I love his design and the reveal that he was a good guy and a new incarnation of Utroms. I like how they are still paying homage to previous turtleverses. __________________ GOONGALA!