The divide in the TMNT Fanbase...

[Cyndaquilfan123]

For a while, especially lately, I've noticed a lot of vitriol within the TMNT fanbase torwards Nick, The current movie franchise, and each other. Nick has done a great job with the franchise. The Nick toon is amazing, and what got me into this amazing franchise in the first place. The movies... Well... I enjoy the Bay movie... But, It has some flaws... That's just my opinion.But most of all each other. I'm seeing a lot of hate towards differing opinions. I understand you can't please everyone, since there are a lot of different TMNT adaptations and everyone has their version of it. Maybe cause I'm rather new around here, and I don't understand. What do you guys think?

[oldmanwinters]

These king of topics never end well.

[Powder]

What point are you trying to make?

Some people like X, others like Y. It is life.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I think you're either incredibly naive or incredibly devious and attempting to stir some sh!t.

[CyberCubed]

That's because there's now a generation gap between TMNT fans. The franchise is 30 years old, you have different fans growing up with different parts of the series.

Its no different than any other franchise that has multiple iterations.

[ProactiveMan]

A combination of personal preferences, nostalgia, exposure, interests, peer-pressure, personal and public identities, and varying abilities to communicate. Welcome to fandom.

[CyberCubed]

Yep, I honestly wonder if some people here have never been to any fandom of a long-running franchise.

Its like people picking their favorite incarnation of Batman. Everyone has a different favored Batman and there's so many to choose from.

[Shark_Blade]

Just enjoy what you like. Simple as.

[Candy Kappa]

we have several threads of thins kind, maybe some of them isn't locked. Post your thoughts there.

[thundermaster612]

the 30 year gap either separates people or pulls them together, for the OT voice actors, it pulled them. For younglings and those weird adult nerds who actually live in their Mom's basement, not so much....

[Redeemer]

That's because there's now a generation gap between TMNT fans. The franchise is 30 years old, you have different fans growing up with different parts of the series.

Its no different than any other franchise that has multiple iterations.

No I don't think its a generational gap. I think its that fact that TMNT was created at a dark gritty comic and then was turned into a kid's phenomenon. The franchise is almost bi-polar. The spider-man franchise or super-man franchise have both been around a lot longer, but do not have a divide like this bc the characters have only one formula. There is no divide in those franchise like TMNT. They may have complaints such as what color batman should be but nothing like TMNT.

[ssjup81]

No I don't think its a generational gap. I think its that fact that TMNT was created at a dark gritty comic and then was turned into a kid's phenomenon. The franchise is almost bi-polar. The spider-man franchise or super-man franchise have both been around a lot longer, but do not have a divide like this bc the characters have only one formula. There is no divide in those franchise like TMNT. They may have complaints such as what color batman should be but nothing like TMNT.Well this sums up the annoying Sonic fan base...

[CyberCubed]

Well this sums up the annoying Sonic fan base...

Or the Pokemon fandom.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I love the Great Divide; chocolate chip cookie dough and brownie batter in the same carton!

[DarkLightDragon]

Well this sums up the annoying Sonic fan base...

Any fanbase.

Let's not act like every other fandom is made of perfect little angels that never ever disagree. This forum alone should prove that.

[Etsyturtle2]

Isn't this a self explanatory question. Everyone thinks they're right and people of varying opinions are automatically wrong. Very simple really, you get used to it after a while.

[CyberCubed]

The TMNT fandom is actually relatively tame compared to other fandoms. That's why I don't get why some people act like its so bad here, they've probably never experienced the epic flamewars and debates where people literally hate each other and hold grudges for years and years in other fandoms.

Especially shipping wars. The vicious fights over which female character should get together with one guy are absolutely brutal in other fandoms.

[MikeandRaph87]

I wonder if this topic can maintain civility. Hope so. Its because TMNT is one of the franchises that can interpreted in so many different ways successfully like Batman with Adam West and Frank Miller representing the extremes. Also, whatever iteration that introduces a franchises to an individual will likely stick lout as the preferred version of it. The more exposed the version the more popular. There are those that like the black and white comics which came first. They are very loud but they are very few. Few enough that I never met one until I registered here and ventured over to the comic section for the first time. There are those like myself who see the 1987 cartoon that took a dark parody and made it family friendly as the definitive version. We are many many times the population of that very loud few small crowd who actually like the original take. Between the creator's blueprint reign supreme or the version that took something and ran with it arguably making it many times more approachable for a wider audience should be the focal point of influence? I have my idea and want to see as much of it as possible while other would rather see the other. Now that TMNT has become multi-generational and in its third marketing era others would have been introduced not by the 1987 cartoon but the 2003 cartoon which was inspired by the Mirage comics much more so with some loose bits. Now we see children watching a third cartoon on Nickelodeon while the intellectual property is under the guidance of not a few individuals but a subsidiary of a conglomerate which is creating another new avenue of introduction. The comics of IDW are doing better than Mirage because they are adapting across all media forms while Mirage kept going keeping its crap in its corner not adapting other versions within it. In conclusion its the various different ways the Ninja Turtles can be interpreted successfully and with age creating newer avenues of discovery thus more preferences based mostly on the version of introduction. The argument becomes should the Mirage Comics or the 1987 cartoon be the main influence in current and future versions.

[ssjup81]

Any fanbase.

Let's not act like every other fandom is made of perfect little angels that never ever disagree. This forum alone should prove that.I'm not, and I know that this goes for any fandom, but the one that stands out the most for me is the Sonic fandom. They seem to complain about everything.

[Papenbrook]

I'm not, and I know that this goes for any fandom, but the one that stands out the most for me is the Sonic fandom. They seem to complain about everything.

Not all the time. I think they (the Sonic fanbase) just want a good Sonic game.

[Etsyturtle2]

Not all the time. I think they (the Sonic fanbase) just want a good Sonic game.

Exactly. Complaining about the fact that they want a good sonic game.

[ssjup81]

Not all the time. I think they (the Sonic fanbase) just want a good Sonic game.Even with the supposed good games some just complain.

[Leo656]

The TMNT fandom is actually relatively tame compared to other fandoms. That's why I don't get why some people act like its so bad here, they've probably never experienced the epic flamewars and debates where people literally hate each other and hold grudges for years and years in other fandoms.

Especially shipping wars. The vicious fights over which female character should get together with one guy are absolutely brutal in other fandoms.

I know I'm gonna piss someone off here, but I don't care. WHY would anyone willingly put themselves through that? What kind of f*cking no-friends-having, basement-dwelling, no-sunshine-seeing life-loser would purposely say, "Today's itinerary is to log onto the SonicWarz forums and antagonize that shipper trash AmySonic69, that son of a bitch," and then spend all day online arguing about f*cking cartoons with people they'll never meet? What. The. F*CK. Jesus, get a goddamn job at that point.

People say there's worse places than this. Okay. This place is already bad enough at its worst. So anyone who makes it a point to live their online "life" on one of those other places? Real serious lack of f***ing priorities.

I mean seriously, DO BETTER THINGS. I used to be very active on lordsofpain and Gamefaqs, like 15 years ago, until I realized everyone there was an asshole, so I left, because willingly surrounding yourself with stupid people makes you yourself stupid in turn. There's no reason to subsist in a toxic environment just because a bunch of people there watch the same cartoons as you.

I don't get it. I really don't. "There's worse places than this." You must really hate yourself, then, if you know that firsthand.

[CyberCubed]

You don't know how female shippers work. All the biggest flamewars, debates, and turmoil in fandom that I've seen has revolved around shipping. People hate it when their favorite female character doesn't get together with whatever male character they want to.

Or if the show is leading in one direction to a certain pairing, and the writers change their minds and the girl doesn't get the guy that was hinted at earlier in the season/series/story...they throw fits of rage.

The reason the TMNT fandom has mostly avoided this is because shipping barely exists in this franchise. At least prior to Nick's Don/April, all the pairings in the franchise were one and done (Casey/April, Raph/Ninjara, or the one-off stuff we've had over the years), so its been avoided.

[ProactiveMan]

Some people like aggravation; like old men who listen to talk-back radio.

I read the following in a blog (http://clarissasblog.com/2016/02/07/victimized-by-dirty-plates/) post this morning*; I think it applies somewhat to this topic...

Within the consumerist model, the only satisfying contact is the one we have with inanimate objects. Other human beings have a will of their own, and thus, any encounter with an actual person is fraught with the danger that our desires might be thwarted. A consumer sees that as the greatest injustice and rebels.

*Don't ask me why I read a blog written by a Ukrainian literary professor. I read a lot of blogs.

[Prowler]

You don't know how female shippers work. All the biggest flamewars, debates, and turmoil in fandom that I've seen has revolved around shipping. People hate it when their favorite female character doesn't get together with whatever male character they want to.

Or if the show is leading in one direction to a certain pairing, and the writers change their minds and the girl doesn't get the guy that was hinted at earlier in the season/series/story...they throw fits of rage.

The reason the TMNT fandom has mostly avoided this is because shipping barely exists in this franchise. At least prior to Nick's Don/April, all the pairings in the franchise were one and done (Casey/April, Raph/Ninjara, or the one-off stuff we've had over the years), so its been avoided.
You must also keep in mind that TMNT are an American thing. Anime fans are more likely to be into shipping since that thing is common in Japan too. Notice how very few anime couples are canon. In American TV it's borderline impossible not to find a couple or a kiss sooner or later in a franchise. But in Anime/Manga? It's the total episode, despite the fact that many characters clearly are crushing on each other.

[Walkabout]

I've been a TMNT fan since 1989.
There have been a lot of hokey and yeah lousy TMNT products but none of it ever made me angry.

Until the dark times, until Bay Turtles.

[Leo656]

If people are truly willing to settle for less, then f*ck it, they get what they deserve.

And there IS something wrong with not caring at all if something you claim to "love" is treated like sh*t and rubber-stamped into a movie that entirely misses the point of what makes that thing so awesome. I'll never believe otherwise. If you "don't even care if it sucks", then that IS a problem.

[Bry]

The "TMNT Fandom" experience has always been pretty schizophrenic. Ever since the days that people who were reading this...

http://geekcave.cz/images/articles/TM3.jpg

...had to wrap their heads around stuff like this sharing the title:

q1O3Qfc4BnI

(Or vice versa, I guess?)

Most franchises don't have such wildly disparate versions of the same concept, so that alone will divide people automatically. But it wouldn't really be a "problem" if there weren't a certain number folks who got really insecure and combative about "their" version being criticized or disliked.

[DarkLightDragon]

Even with the supposed good games some just complain.

Behavior that I more commonly see here compared to a Sonic fan-forum site I'm a member of quite frankly.

And when people do "complain" about something there, it's usually more constructive and well-founded.

Any actual complaining is just a very vocal minority.

[Redeemer]

Well this sums up the annoying Sonic fan base...

Or the Pokemon fandom.

Will you too explain too me how or why these fan bases are divided???

I know for a fact Sonic and Pokemon don't have such a change in direction as far story and target audience as TMNT.
Mirage- M rated, TMNT fight foot clan and killing people, anti-heroes.
Fred Wolf- G rated, TMNT fighting other mutants, no killing, Heroes.


TMNT could actually have two fan bases. Too my knowledge sonic and pokemon do not have such a wide range on the spectrum in terms of story and audience.
I honestly cannot think of any other characters that are comparable to TMNT imo except maybe Batman.

[Prowler]

The worst fandom/community I've been a part of was the Internet Wrestling Community. Some of the dumbest people I've met were wrestling nerds. No wonder wrestling fans are so looked down upon by society.

Anime also has a lot of weirdos in the community, but you can also find tons of normal people.

[Commenter 42]

The "TMNT Fandom" experience has always been pretty schizophrenic. Ever since the days that people who were reading this...

http://geekcave.cz/images/articles/TM3.jpg

...had to wrap their heads around stuff like this sharing the title:

q1O3Qfc4BnI

(Or vice versa, I guess?)

Most franchises don't have such wildly disparate versions of the same concept, so that alone will divide people automatically. But it wouldn't really be a "problem" if there weren't a certain number folks who got really insecure and combative about "their" version being criticized or disliked.

The guy in that video, is that you?

[Candy Kappa]

Phelous have a account on the 'Drome

[Bry]

The guy in that video, is that you?

Nope! I'm considerably more hairless. And I don't have any of that sweet, sweet YouTube ad money. :cry:

[Redeemer]

The "TMNT Fandom" experience has always been pretty schizophrenic. Ever since the days that people who were reading this...

http://geekcave.cz/images/articles/TM3.jpg

...had to wrap their heads around stuff like this sharing the title:

q1O3Qfc4BnI

(Or vice versa, I guess?)

Most franchises don't have such wildly disparate versions of the same concept, so that alone will divide people automatically. But it wouldn't really be a "problem" if there weren't a certain number folks who got really insecure and combative about "their" version being criticized or disliked.

Really good example of what I was talking about and how others have also said.

[Bry]

Really good example of what I was talking about and how others have also said.

Ha! Should have figured it was covered -- I didn't read the whole thread first. Hope I didn't step on any toes. :twink:

[turtlefanforever]

i miss the days when cybercubed would just call new posters casuals and their threads would be locked

[CyberCubed]

Will you too explain too me how or why these fan bases are divided???

I know for a fact Sonic and Pokemon don't have such a change in direction as far story and target audience as TMNT.
.

Pokemon fans have gen wars between all the different generations of Pokemon. There are 6 generations, everyone debates which set of Pokemon were the best and worst and which games were the best or worst. There's also the genwunners who only like the original 151 or 251 pokemon and refuse to have anything to do with the series past the first two generations.

Then there's the anime fans who like different seasons of the show. The game fans who hate the anime in general, the obsessive Misty fans who sat there crying for years over Misty leaving and claiming to never watch the show again (lol, its been 13 years since Misty left and the anime is still running, shows how little they knew), and so on and so forth.

Many pokemon fans also have some social problems in real life, many of them admit to having aspergers or autism so they try to vicariously live through the pokemon world or the anime.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

pokemon fans also have some social problems in real life, many of them admit to having aspergers or autism so they try to vicariously live through the pokemon world or the anime.

As opposed to the TMNT fanbase, which is of course in PERFECT mental health. :tlol:

[MisterMiracle]

I don't know. I get why there would be such a divide when you have versions that are so different from one another.


I grew up with the original cartoon and I loved it.
I liked the first two original TMNT movies, hated the third.
I never watched the live action tv show.
I liked the cartoon reboot from the 2000's.
I HATED the 2007 TMNT movie.
I LOVED the new Nick cartoon until the Space stuff in Season 4.
I didn't really care for the newest TMNT Movie.
I'm not really looking forward to the sequel to the TMNT movie.

[Powder]

Will you too explain too me how or why these fan bases are divided???


I can't speak for Sonic but with Pokemon, it starts with generation preferences & nostalgia bias. A good chunk of the fandom are (as of now) casuals whose active interest in the property stopped when they hit puberty. 20 somethings that only played the first two games & threw in the towel. Most of these people are vehemently against all that came after their era, they think the post-Silver & Gold designs are stupid, unimaginative or over-designed & often times are hugely hypocritical with these views. More often than not you see arguments like "It's so dumb now, they've got Pokemon based on inanimate objects or non-animals!" (Like a garbage bag, ice cream cone, candle, or key, to name a few) completely forgetting or just outright ignoring that the original wave had pokeballs, magnets, 3D models, sewer waste & a host of other nonsensical creatures as part of the cast. Those folks are usually called "Genwunners" (gen 1). :tlol:

Then you've got folks a bit younger who only like the ones that came later which they grew up with, though they're less common. Some folks only like the anime, not the games, or vice verse, others prefer the spin-offs to the main game titles, etc. You've got solely fan-work based communities, competitive gaming outfits, you name it. It's not divided in a hostile sense necessarily, in the way that we sometimes are, but there are very clear cuts between factions.

[CyberCubed]

In terms of pokemon there are now a whole bunch of 20 year olds who grew up with Gen III (Hoenn), or DP as their first generations, and now they're part of the online community who are the loudest and hate all the original fans.

Hoenn came out back in 2002/2003, which is now a whopping 13 years ago. Anyone who was 10 when Ruby/Sapphire came out is now 23 years old. So now many of the current 20 something years olds are people who started with Gen III of the games/anime.

Its kind of funny when you realize how Pokemon is 20 years old now, but now most teens and 20 year olds grew up long after the first two gens.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

In terms of pokemon there are now a whole bunch of 20 year olds who grew up with Gen III (Hoenn), or DP as their first generations, and now they're part of the online community who are the loudest and hate all the original fans.

Hoenn came out back in 2002/2003, which is now a whopping 13 years ago. Anyone who was 10 when Ruby/Sapphire came out is now 23 years old. So now many of the current 20 something years olds are people who started with Gen III of the games/anime.

Its kind of funny when you realize how Pokemon is 20 years old now, but now most teens and 20 year olds grew up long after the first two gens.

Not me; I remember when Pokemon Yellow was coming out... that's actually the one I had. Played it, beat it, have fond memories of it and recently replayed it, but that's about as far as it goes. Not even a fan, just played it twice.

[CyberCubed]

Not me; I remember when Pokemon Yellow was coming out... that's actually the one I had. Played it, beat it, have fond memories of it and recently replayed it, but that's about as far as it goes. Not even a fan, just played it twice.

Pokemon in its prime was even bigger than TMNT was in the 80's and early 90's.

I was only 13 years old when Pokemon hit the U.S. so I was still young enough to get into it and become a big fan. Had I been any older I probably would have missed the boat.

[Redeemer]

Ha! Should have figured it was covered -- I didn't read the whole thread first. Hope I didn't step on any toes. :twink:

Your post was awesome, the pics and video showed how diverse the TMNT universe is, it could honestly be two different fan bases.

In terms of pokemon there are now a whole bunch of 20 year olds who grew up with Gen III (Hoenn), or DP as their first generations, and now they're part of the online community who are the loudest and hate all the original fans.

Hoenn came out back in 2002/2003, which is now a whopping 13 years ago. Anyone who was 10 when Ruby/Sapphire came out is now 23 years old. So now many of the current 20 something years olds are people who started with Gen III of the games/anime.

Its kind of funny when you realize how Pokemon is 20 years old now, but now most teens and 20 year olds grew up long after the first two gens.

lol is that all??? Really??? Just fighting over nostalgia bs.
and by the way most people in their 20's were exposed to gen 1 first.
ex:myself

[CyberCubed]

lol is that all??? Really??? Just fighting over nostalgia bs.
and by the way most people in their 20's were exposed to gen 1 first.
ex:myself

Not anymore. As I said Ruby/Sapphire came out in 2002/2003. That was 13 years ago. Anyone who was 10 when they came out is now 23.

A lot of people in their early 20's started with the Hoenn generation.

[ssjup81]

Will you too explain too me how or why these fan bases are divided???

I know for a fact Sonic and Pokemon don't have such a change in direction as far story and target audience as TMNT.
Mirage- M rated, TMNT fight foot clan and killing people, anti-heroes.
Fred Wolf- G rated, TMNT fighting other mutants, no killing, Heroes.


TMNT could actually have two fan bases. Too my knowledge sonic and pokemon do not have such a wide range on the spectrum in terms of story and audience.
I honestly cannot think of any other characters that are comparable to TMNT imo except maybe Batman.I'm not sure about Pokemon, unless people are still arguing over how the earlier games were better or the show, but I dunno. I do know for me that the first two seasons has held my attention more than these later versions of the show. I personally got bored and dropped them, even Best Wishes, and I really liked Pokemon Black's game. Black 2 was so so for me. X/Y bored me after a while, but I did manage to beat it. Ruby-Sapphire bored me and I didn't bother with Omega Ruby or whatever. Didn't like Diamond/Pearl either.

As for the show, I blame my becoming easily bored on my age as it's not made with me in mind. It never was.

That aside, going back to the Sonic thing, and my view may be a bit outdated since it's been a good while, but it feels like the fanbase itself doesn't know what it fully wants. You have those who go on about the greatness of the original 16-bit games where others like the 3D/story aspect (like Adventure/Adventure 2).

I have no issue with people complaining about broken game mechanics or bugs, but some seem to examine everything under a microscope and nitpick. Sorry I can't think of any examples right off, but Sonic, like TMNT, have other mediums and reimaginings. Seems many have their own vision of what Sonic should be like and thus dividing the fans...

[CyberCubed]

I'm not sure about Pokemon, unless people are still arguing over how the earlier games were better or the show, but I dunno. I do know for me that the first two seasons has held my attention more than these later versions of the show. I personally got bored and dropped them, even Best Wishes, and I really liked Pokemon Black's game. Black 2 was so so for me. X/Y bored me after a while, but I did manage to beat it. Ruby-Sapphire bored me and I didn't bother with Omega Ruby or whatever. Didn't like Diamond/Pearl either.

Out of curiosity, why do you keep buying all the games if you get bored quickly then?

As for the show, I blame my becoming easily bored on my age as it's not made with me in mind. It never was.

You'd be surprised that most of the people who still watch the anime are in their mid to late 20's.

[Powder]

I'm 25 & I got Red & Blue when they were released, brah.

[DarkLightDragon]

Same here.

In fact Gen 1 is pretty much my least favorite Gen simply because of how bare-bones it is compared to the vast improvements the Gens after it have made since then.

[ssjup81]

Out of curiosity, why do you keep buying all the games if you get bored quickly then?Talked into it, but I had a genuine interest in Black and X. I tried Ruby, got bored. Diamond. Bored. Heart Gold, loved. Black 2...so so. X, I played up to the last gym, but got bored by that point, but did go back to it and beat it. I had no interest in the recent ones and didn't buy them. First and second gen, really enjoyed them. You'd be surprised that most of the people who still watch the anime are in their mid to late 20's.I get bored though. I'm in my mid-30s.

[Zak The Neutrino]

I agree with others here that it's a lot worse in other fandoms.
I've witnessed some crazy stuff on forums.

I think those that have issues with the few heated discussions that go on here might be a bit over sensitive.

[Cyndaquilfan123]

In terms of pokemon there are now a whole bunch of 20 year olds who grew up with Gen III (Hoenn), or DP as their first generations, and now they're part of the online community who are the loudest and hate all the original fans.

Hoenn came out back in 2002/2003, which is now a whopping 13 years ago. Anyone who was 10 when Ruby/Sapphire came out is now 23 years old. So now many of the current 20 something years olds are people who started with Gen III of the games/anime.

Its kind of funny when you realize how Pokemon is 20 years old now, but now most teens and 20 year olds grew up long after the first two gens.

Honestly, I'm a Pokemon fan, and I enjoy all the gens...

[plastroncafe]

Awww. I didn't make it in here before the misogyny did.
Dang it.

There isn't a divide in the TMNT fanbase.
There are just people who are less capable of not being a dick about things they don't like.

[Shred87]

To me there's two origins of this franchise. Volume 1 Mirage and the FW cartoon. For my tastes my favorite version is a combination of the two that leans towards the mirage "feel." The first movie to me was great. Considering the time it was released I'm not sure how much darker or violent it could have been to get the PG rating. The 2k3 show to me was the BTAS of this franchise. Dug the tone, dug the mirage characters, dug the additions to the franchsie in Hun and Bishop. Maybe my favorite version though is the IDW comic. They truely have blended all aspects of this franchise and produced a serious in tone, competent, quality product.

The divide, in my opinion, comes from how much Mirage vs FW a person can tolerate. Some have no patience for either side. I fall in the middle so I can usually find something in each version that I can live with.

In terms of current movie franchise I would love nothing more to get a grittier product in the veins of Batman Begins. I think a movie franchise is better suited going that route. I've come to terms with the fact that it's going to borrow heavily from the FW version and therefore with get some over the top antics. Trying to look at this from a glass half full perspective this latest movie, with as many issues as it has, is probably the second best movie in this franchises history behind the original. (SOTO is a guilty pleasure for me but I mean come on). I'm hoping this next movie cleans up some of the storyline miscues from the first one.

[ABrown]

When it comes to any franchise, most people aren't going to enjoy ALL of the different incarnations. Personally, my TMNT love is for the original three movies, the original cartoon, the 4Kids cartoon, and the 2007 CGI movie. I don't think that I necessarily have to love the comic books, the Next Mutation series, the Nick series, and the Nick movie(s) to be considered at TMNT fan. And if someone isn't a fan of the versions that I love, that's fine. There's no rule saying that they have to be.

[CyberCubed]

The funny thing is I wonder how different things will be 10 years from now, when the kids who grew up with the Nick cartoon are adults and we have the 4th TMNT cartoon on the air (whatever the next cartoon turns out to be), and see how the Nick fans react to that one.

Its a cycle.

[ProactiveMan]

The really stupid stuff stems from people tying their identity (or part thereof) to something they have very little control over.

[mrmaczaps]

The fun posts are the ones from people asking why some image shows the Turtles all wearing red bandanas ("why 4 Raph's?) and then stating "you aren't a real fan if you don'the like 'x version' of the TMNT!" X version most recently being the new movies. 《My issue with the new movies is mainly being the lack of coherent story in most modern movies》

But it is fun to read sometimes. Lol

Tell a newbie that they are wrong about something they didn't know before and be prepared to duck. (Or be banned from a group on FB because said newbie is the group admin. Lol)

[pferreira]

I think most people on this board are fairly nice. However one thing that does annoy me is pointless jabs towards something people like. Not constructive criticism, jabs at a show. For instance I'm a fan of the Fred Wolf show. Apart from maybe the original 90s movies and the Mirage comics I'm not interested really in the 2003 cartoon or the CG one. This doesn't mean I go onto those boards and take jabs at those shows because I think they're inferior. I just don't do that. A common thing I notice is someone will ask a legitimate question about the FW show and then someone will respond with something stupid like "why are you looking for an answer, it's the FW cartoon, there's no logic to it, blah, blah blah". WTF?! :teek: I mean why would you do that?! :roll: If you don't have anything good to say because you hate the show why are you on this section of the board? That's the only thing that really p***** me off on here. Rant over.

[plastroncafe]

Those kinds of people are why the word, "haters" isn't going away any time soon.

[ProactiveMan]

I think most people on this board are fairly nice. However one thing that does annoy me is pointless jabs towards something people like. Not constructive criticism, jabs at a show.

That's why I think fandoms become adversarial, and why fandom as an identity is a big factor in this. If you consider a jab at something you like, the same as a jab at you, then you are more likely to feed into the adversarial cycle.

[TurtleGuy]

Will you too explain too me how or why these fan bases are divided???

I know for a fact Sonic and Pokemon don't have such a change in direction as far story and target audience as TMNT.


There are many conflicting opinions in the Sonic fanbase:

You have the 2D only fans, the 3D only fans, the 2D & 3D fans, fans who only like the first 3 Genesis titles, fans who prefer the series to be comedic, fans who prefer the series to be dark and "mature", SatAM fans who want the games to drop everything and become SatAM, fans who want only speed and very little platforming, fans who want momentum based gameplay and platforming, fans who like voice acting, fans who hate voice acting, fans who only want Sonic to be playable, fans who want multiple playable characters, fans who want Sonic Adventure 3, fans who want the REAL Sonic the Hedgehog 4, green eye haters, etc.

I'm a Sonic fan so I know this first hand.

[Papenbrook]

There are many conflicting opinions in the Sonic fanbase:

You have the 2D only fans, the 3D only fans, the 2D & 3D fans, fans who only like the first 3 Genesis titles, fans who prefer the series to be comedic, fans who prefer the series to be dark and "mature", SatAM fans who want the games to drop everything and become SatAM, fans who want only speed and very little platforming, fans who want momentum based gameplay and platforming, fans who like voice acting, fans who hate voice acting, fans who only want Sonic to be playable, fans who want multiple playable characters, fans who want Sonic Adventure 3, fans who want the REAL Sonic the Hedgehog 4, green eye haters, etc.

I'm a Sonic fan so I know this first hand.

Not to mention the fans that like the Sonic Boom series, and the fans that don't. Or fans that fight over their favorite voice actors. Or fans that fight over their favorite era of the Sonic series.

The Sonic fanbase is a mess.

[ssjup81]

There are many conflicting opinions in the Sonic fanbase:

You have the 2D only fans, the 3D only fans, the 2D & 3D fans, fans who only like the first 3 Genesis titles, fans who prefer the series to be comedic, fans who prefer the series to be dark and "mature", SatAM fans who want the games to drop everything and become SatAM, fans who want only speed and very little platforming, fans who want momentum based gameplay and platforming, fans who like voice acting, fans who hate voice acting, fans who only want Sonic to be playable, fans who want multiple playable characters, fans who want Sonic Adventure 3, fans who want the REAL Sonic the Hedgehog 4, green eye haters, etc.

I'm a Sonic fan so I know this first hand.

Not to mention the fans that like the Sonic Boom series, and the fans that don't. Or fans that fight over their favorite voice actors. Or fans that fight over their favorite era of the Sonic series.

The Sonic fanbase is a mess.All of this. Sonic has too many outlets and variations so it's difficult to make something that appeals to everyone, hence the divide an arguing and Sega unsure of what to do with the franchise.

I personally liked Sonic 4...don't understand why it got so much hate. I just don't bother with the Sonic fandom anymore.

[Cyndaquilfan123]

There are many conflicting opinions in the Sonic fanbase:

You have the 2D only fans, the 3D only fans, the 2D & 3D fans, fans who only like the first 3 Genesis titles, fans who prefer the series to be comedic, fans who prefer the series to be dark and "mature", SatAM fans who want the games to drop everything and become SatAM, fans who want only speed and very little platforming, fans who want momentum based gameplay and platforming, fans who like voice acting, fans who hate voice acting, fans who only want Sonic to be playable, fans who want multiple playable characters, fans who want Sonic Adventure 3, fans who want the REAL Sonic the Hedgehog 4, green eye haters, etc.

I'm a Sonic fan so I know this first hand.

Same here, I agree.

[Cryomancer]

Sonic games are boring, play Knuckles instead!

[ssjup81]

Sonic games are boring, play Knuckles instead!Ironically, Knuckles' SA2 theme just started playing for me. lol

[Leo656]

All of this. Sonic has too many outlets and variations so it's difficult to make something that appeals to everyone, hence the divide an arguing and Sega unsure of what to do with the franchise.

I personally liked Sonic 4...don't understand why it got so much hate. I just don't bother with the Sonic fandom anymore.

Yep. I like lots of different Sonic stuff and I have my preferences but actually trying to talk about Sonic with even one other self-identified "Sonic Fan" is toxic and a complete waste of time. For every single fan, there's a unique opinion on what they "Should be doing" with the franchise, and since there's 80 different versions of the characters and the universe, that makes it 10x worse.

So I just watch and play the stuff I like and keep it to myself. And Sonic 4 was good, I'unno what people want anymore.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I like Sonic... they've got great tater tots and cheeseburgers.

I'm sorry, that was blatant trolling.

I'm sorry, that was an insincere apology. :trazz:

[DarkLightDragon]

This might just be speaking more of a Sonic fan than a Turtles fan (come at me) but nothing the fanbase has done has really surprised me anymore. Like I've gotten used to it. I've said before I'm a member of a fansite called Sonic Stadium as well as this one, but between it and this forum, I've contemplated leaving this one more times than I ever have with SSMB. At least it's run by competent mods and encourage good debating every now and then. And it's easier to get along with people there. This one, just puts me off with it's occasional immaturity and lazy moderating.

So whenever someone mentions the Sonic fanbase as "one of the worst," I'll just go, "Yeah, we can be pretty splintered, but please try to re-examine any other fanbases you happen to be a part of that has equally a lot of bad laundry and drama, and kindly leave this one alone as the only one allowed or expected to be bad."

[Utrommaniac]

I like Sonic... they've got great tater tots and cheeseburgers.

I'm sorry, that was blatant trolling.

I'm sorry, that was an insincere apology. :trazz:

Same, though I'm an onion rings person =P . And the oreo cheesecake milkshake.



Now there's a whole other kind of Sonic fandom XD

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Same, though I'm an onion rings person =P . And the oreo cheesecake milkshake.



Now there's a whole other kind of Sonic fandom XD

Oh holy heart attacks... they have the BEST onion rings. I swear, they must put so much vanilla in that batter.

Excuse me while I go on a junk-food withdrawal rampage...

[TurtleGuy]

This might just be speaking more of a Sonic fan than a Turtles fan (come at me) but nothing the fanbase has done has really surprised me anymore. Like I've gotten used to it. I've said before I'm a member of a fansite called Sonic Stadium as well as this one, but between it and this forum, I've contemplated leaving this one more times than I ever have with SSMB. At least it's run by competent mods and encourage good debating every now and then. And it's easier to get along with people there. This one, just puts me off with it's occasional immaturity and lazy moderating.

So whenever someone mentions the Sonic fanbase as "one of the worst," I'll just go, "Yeah, we can be pretty splintered, but please try to re-examine any other fanbases you happen to be a part of that has equally a lot of bad laundry and drama, and kindly leave this one alone as the only one allowed or expected to be bad."

While jaded and splintered I'm always bewildered as to why is it that the Sonic fanbase is always used as the gold standard of bad fanbases. Some of the crap I've seen pulled by other fanbases is pretty bad but it seems like it's only the Sonic fanbase(and a certain other one involving miniature equines) that are singled out.

One of my theories is because the series has a furry following...

[ToTheNines]

I'm sure the little kid with the "stop hating on Sonic" videos is a huge contributer to that.

[TurtleGuy]

I'm sure the little kid with the "stop hating on Sonic" videos is a huge contributer to that.

Yeah but... he's just a little kid.

[Powder]

Oh holy heart attacks... they have the BEST onion rings. I swear, they must put so much vanilla in that batter.


Sonic onion rings are just oversized & undercooked loops of onion dropped in cornmeal. It's like what a North Korean hotel might imagine onion rings are supposed to be.

[ProactiveMan]

Oh holy heart attacks... they have the BEST onion rings. I swear, they must put so much vanilla in that batter.

Excuse me while I go on a junk-food withdrawal rampage...

Why on Earth would you put vanilla in onion rings!? And I thought blue hedgehogs were weird.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Same, though I'm an onion rings person =P . And the oreo cheesecake milkshake.



Now there's a whole other kind of Sonic fandom XD



I used to like them, but they ALWAYS get my order messed up. How hard is it to understand NO ONIONS?! On a regular burger. Yet they somehow always manage to get onions in it. :tgrumble: :tmad:

[Utrommaniac]

I used to like them, but they ALWAYS get my order messed up. How hard is it to understand NO ONIONS?! On a regular burger. Yet they somehow always manage to get onions in it. :tgrumble: :tmad:

Your locations must have sucked =P . Mine usually do just fine.

(Somewhere, someone on this forum is screaming "Oh no, the Texans found each other!)

[Jester]

Oh holy heart attacks... they have the BEST onion rings. I swear, they must put so much vanilla in that batter.

Excuse me while I go on a junk-food withdrawal rampage...
According to my dad, who worked for Sonic years ago, they use the liquid soft serve ice cream mix and cracker crumbs...or they did in the 70's.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

According to my dad, who worked for Sonic years ago, they use the liquid soft serve ice cream mix and cracker crumbs...or they did in the 70's.

Really? Huh... that kinda makes sense. Those rings are SWEET.

[thundermaster612]

okay so the thread started with the divide in the franchise and now its about the Sonic fast food chain....
I don't even

[Zak The Neutrino]

okay so the thread started with the divide in the franchise and now its about the Sonic fast food chain....
I don't even

Yeah I gave up a couple pages ago.

[CyberCubed]

This thread should have been locked that's why.

[Zak The Neutrino]

This thread should have been locked that's why.

You think every thread should be locked. What is up with that?

[CyberCubed]

Only ones like these.

[Powder]

You think every thread should be locked. What is up with that?

It's a catch phrase/meme at this point.

But he's right a lot of the time, honestly. Plenty of threads devolve into idiocy.

[ProactiveMan]

It's that goddamn hedgehog! He comes up more often than an asthmatic pearl diver.

[MikeandRaph87]

Really? Huh... that kinda makes sense. Those rings are SWEET.

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/65/65b540f79d7b45d489211530b3c7842d19b292a15a145e972a bf1222994e799a.jpg

[Utrommaniac]

It's like I said...the Texans found each other and now the thread is doomed.

[ssjup81]

I haven't been to a Sonic's in so long. I always liked the tots. Can't recall anything else they had there right off, aside from the milkshakes....I think. ^^

[DarkFell]

1.) Both StH and TMNT have different adaptions, and everyone at some point in time has been exposed to at least some of those different adaptions, and became fans of them. That's one of the main reasons (if not the only reason) as to why the divide is so wide.

2.) How come no one has mentioned those Sonic Chili Cheese Coneys? Those things are the best right next to their Route 44 Cherry Limeades.

[ProactiveMan]

Wait... doesn't Sonic the Hedgehog also like chilli dogs? Ohhhh myyyy goddddd!

[Krutch]

Click on this thread to read about the TMNT fandom, instead read 4 pages about Sonic and Pokemon :lol:

I love you guys. Never change :)

[plastroncafe]

Even the fandom doesn't want to talk about TMNT.

[Utrommaniac]

Wait... doesn't Sonic the Hedgehog also like chilli dogs? Ohhhh myyyy goddddd!
...I have never made this connection until now...

Yeah, I would say that at this point, it's dead.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

So...

I guess we're done discussing the Fred Wolf cartoon and how some of us resent it and some of us still really like it? :tlol:

And so it ends: not with a bang, but with a whimper.

... And also with a hankering for drive-in cheeseburgers with tater tots.

[CyberCubed]

I'm still waiting for this thread to be locked. Every time I come back here and I see this thread isn't locked I put on a grimace.

[Zak The Neutrino]

I'm still waiting for this thread to be locked. Every time I come back here and I see this thread isn't locked I put on a grimace.

Not a big Sonic fan? Come on everyone loves limeades.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'm still waiting for this thread to be locked. Every time I come back here and I see this thread isn't locked I put on a grimace.

You "put on a grimace?"

My word, old chap, odd turn of phrase right there. Might you not instead exclaim, "By the by, whenever I of happenstance wander into this most peculiar corner of a menagerie of fellow TMNT fans, I am always bejabbered and astonished that the local authorities have yet to seal off this place from curious eyes!"

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Not a big Sonic fan? Come on everyone loves limeades.

Turns out my wife hates 'em. :tlol:

[Zak The Neutrino]

Turns out my wife hates 'em. :tlol:

What? Is she from Texas? Something isn't adding up here. :tsmile:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

What? Is she from Texas? Something isn't adding up here. :tsmile:

She is indeed, but she doesn't like sour. Means I get all my Wally Warhead candies to myself. :tlol:

[Zak The Neutrino]

She is indeed, but she doesn't like sour. Means I get all my Wally Warhead candies to myself. :tlol:

My wife won't touch Warheads either. I guess more of us then. :tgrin:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

My wife won't touch Warheads either. I guess more of us then. :tgrin:

Actually, as a kid, I'd run them under the sink and wash off all the sour powder. I am ashamed. :tlol:

[ABrown]

I'm still waiting for this thread to be locked. Every time I come back here and I see this thread isn't locked I put on a grimace.

You "put on a grimace?"

My word, old chap, odd turn of phrase right there. Might you not instead exclaim, "By the by, whenever I of happenstance wander into this most peculiar corner of a menagerie of fellow TMNT fans, I am always bejabbered and astonished that the local authorities have yet to seal off this place from curious eyes!"

Peter, time for Grimace...

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Your locations must have sucked =P . Mine usually do just fine.

(Somewhere, someone on this forum is screaming "Oh no, the Texans found each other!)


Oh we already did! We even have a club now.

[Cyndaquilfan123]

Click on this thread to read about the TMNT fandom, instead read 4 pages about Sonic and Pokemon :lol:

I love you guys. Never change :)

Good thing a lot of us like Sonic and Pokemon!

[Powder]

Actually, as a kid, I'd run them under the sink and wash off all the sour powder. I am ashamed. :tlol:

Don't feel bad, I'd drop them in a cup of Sprite for the same reason. Your candy becomes edible, & the lemon in your soda becomes more bitter, win/win!

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Don't feel bad, I'd drop them in a cup of Sprite for the same reason. Your candy becomes edible, & the lemon in your soda becomes more bitter, win/win!

Thanks for being there for me, Powder. :tgrin: Wish I'd thought of that one!

[Powder]

Thanks for being there for me, Powder. :tgrin:

The first & last time this phrase will ever appear on-site.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

The first & last time this phrase will ever appear on-site.

I promise to bring it back before Christmas. :tlol:

[Shark_Blade]

Imagine a Sonic/TMNT crossover comic!

We already have Batman and Ghostbusters crossover comics! Imagine.

As for TV shows there's already tonnes of cameos like South Park and teen titans with tmnt. Imagine.

[ProactiveMan]

Ew, gross!

[myconius]

For a while, especially lately, I've noticed a lot of vitriol within the TMNT fanbase torwards Nick, The current movie franchise, and each other. Nick has done a great job with the franchise. The Nick toon is amazing, and what got me into this amazing franchise in the first place. The movies... Well... I enjoy the Bay movie... But, It has some flaws... That's just my opinion.But most of all each other. I'm seeing a lot of hate towards differing opinions. I understand you can't please everyone, since there are a lot of different TMNT adaptations and everyone has their version of it. Maybe cause I'm rather new around here, and I don't understand. What do you guys think?

hey, i'm with you on the Nick cartoon! i absolutely love it!!!

the Bay movie i have to take with a grain (well maybe a bucket) of salt!!!
though i have to admit it does have some fun moments! and i do really like the choice of voice casting for the Turtles!

[myconius]

The "TMNT Fandom" experience has always been pretty schizophrenic. Ever since the days that people who were reading this...

http://geekcave.cz/images/articles/TM3.jpg

...had to wrap their heads around stuff like this sharing the title:

q1O3Qfc4BnI

(Or vice versa, I guess?)

Most franchises don't have such wildly disparate versions of the same concept, so that alone will divide people automatically. But it wouldn't really be a "problem" if there weren't a certain number folks who got really insecure and combative about "their" version being criticized or disliked.

that's probably one of the BEST analogies of the Tmnt franchise that i've ever seen!!! :D

well done Bry!!!!