The divide in the TMNT Fanbase...

Cyndaquilfan123 · 02-07-2016, 10:40 PM

For a while, especially lately, I've noticed a lot of vitriol within the TMNT fanbase torwards Nick, The current movie franchise, and each other. Nick has done a great job with the franchise. The Nick toon is amazing, and what got me into this amazing franchise in the first place. The movies... Well... I enjoy the Bay movie... But, It has some flaws... That's just my opinion.But most of all each other. I'm seeing a lot of hate towards differing opinions. I understand you can't please everyone, since there are a lot of different TMNT adaptations and everyone has their version of it. Maybe cause I'm rather new around here, and I don't understand. What do you guys think?

*oldmanwinters* · 02-07-2016, 10:44 PM

These king of topics never end well.

*Powder* · 02-07-2016, 10:46 PM

What point are you trying to make?

Some people like X, others like Y. It is life.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 02-07-2016, 10:58 PM

I think you're either incredibly naive or incredibly devious and attempting to stir some sh!t.

*CyberCubed* · 02-07-2016, 11:22 PM

That's because there's now a generation gap between TMNT fans. The franchise is 30 years old, you have different fans growing up with different parts of the series.

Its no different than any other franchise that has multiple iterations.

*ProactiveMan* · 02-08-2016, 02:39 AM

A combination of personal preferences, nostalgia, exposure, interests, peer-pressure, personal and public identities, and varying abilities to communicate. Welcome to fandom.

*CyberCubed* · 02-08-2016, 02:42 AM

Yep, I honestly wonder if some people here have never been to any fandom of a long-running franchise.

Its like people picking their favorite incarnation of Batman. Everyone has a different favored Batman and there's so many to choose from.

*Shark_Blade* · 02-08-2016, 04:04 AM

Just enjoy what you like. Simple as.

*Candy Kappa* · 02-08-2016, 05:01 AM

we have several threads of thins kind, maybe some of them isn't locked. Post your thoughts there.

thundermaster612 · 02-08-2016, 06:02 AM

the 30 year gap either separates people or pulls them together, for the OT voice actors, it pulled them. For younglings and those weird adult nerds who actually live in their Mom's basement, not so much....

*Redeemer* · 02-08-2016, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

That's because there's now a generation gap between TMNT fans. The franchise is 30 years old, you have different fans growing up with different parts of the series.

Its no different than any other franchise that has multiple iterations.

No I don't think its a generational gap. I think its that fact that TMNT was created at a dark gritty comic and then was turned into a kid's phenomenon. The franchise is almost bi-polar. The spider-man franchise or super-man franchise have both been around a lot longer, but do not have a divide like this bc the characters have only one formula. There is no divide in those franchise like TMNT. They may have complaints such as what color batman should be but nothing like TMNT.

*ssjup81* · 02-08-2016, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Redeemer

No I don't think its a generational gap. I think its that fact that TMNT was created at a dark gritty comic and then was turned into a kid's phenomenon. The franchise is almost bi-polar. The spider-man franchise or super-man franchise have both been around a lot longer, but do not have a divide like this bc the characters have only one formula. There is no divide in those franchise like TMNT. They may have complaints such as what color batman should be but nothing like TMNT.

Well this sums up the annoying Sonic fan base...

*CyberCubed* · 02-08-2016, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ssjup81

Well this sums up the annoying Sonic fan base...

Or the Pokemon fandom.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 02-08-2016, 04:38 PM

I love the Great Divide; chocolate chip cookie dough and brownie batter in the same carton!

DarkLightDragon · 02-08-2016, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ssjup81

Well this sums up the annoying Sonic fan base...

Any fanbase.

Let's not act like every other fandom is made of perfect little angels that never ever disagree. This forum alone should prove that.

~~Etsyturtle2~~ · 02-08-2016, 04:56 PM

Isn't this a self explanatory question. Everyone thinks they're right and people of varying opinions are automatically wrong. Very simple really, you get used to it after a while.

*CyberCubed* · 02-08-2016, 04:57 PM

The TMNT fandom is actually relatively tame compared to other fandoms. That's why I don't get why some people act like its so bad here, they've probably never experienced the epic flamewars and debates where people literally hate each other and hold grudges for years and years in other fandoms.

Especially shipping wars. The vicious fights over which female character should get together with one guy are absolutely brutal in other fandoms.

*MikeandRaph87* · 02-08-2016, 05:36 PM

I wonder if this topic can maintain civility. Hope so. Its because TMNT is one of the franchises that can interpreted in so many different ways successfully like Batman with Adam West and Frank Miller representing the extremes. Also, whatever iteration that introduces a franchises to an individual will likely stick lout as the preferred version of it. The more exposed the version the more popular. There are those that like the black and white comics which came first. They are very loud but they are very few. Few enough that I never met one until I registered here and ventured over to the comic section for the first time. There are those like myself who see the 1987 cartoon that took a dark parody and made it family friendly as the definitive version. We are many many times the population of that very loud few small crowd who actually like the original take. Between the creator's blueprint reign supreme or the version that took something and ran with it arguably making it many times more approachable for a wider audience should be the focal point of influence? I have my idea and want to see as much of it as possible while other would rather see the other. Now that TMNT has become multi-generational and in its third marketing era others would have been introduced not by the 1987 cartoon but the 2003 cartoon which was inspired by the Mirage comics much more so with some loose bits. Now we see children watching a third cartoon on Nickelodeon while the intellectual property is under the guidance of not a few individuals but a subsidiary of a conglomerate which is creating another new avenue of introduction. The comics of IDW are doing better than Mirage because they are adapting across all media forms while Mirage kept going keeping its crap in its corner not adapting other versions within it. In conclusion its the various different ways the Ninja Turtles can be interpreted successfully and with age creating newer avenues of discovery thus more preferences based mostly on the version of introduction. The argument becomes should the Mirage Comics or the 1987 cartoon be the main influence in current and future versions.

*ssjup81* · 02-08-2016, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkLightDragon

Any fanbase.

Let's not act like every other fandom is made of perfect little angels that never ever disagree. This forum alone should prove that.

I'm not, and I know that this goes for any fandom, but the one that stands out the most for me is the Sonic fandom. They seem to complain about everything.

*Papenbrook* · 02-08-2016, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ssjup81

I'm not, and I know that this goes for any fandom, but the one that stands out the most for me is the Sonic fandom. They seem to complain about everything.

Not all the time. I think they (the Sonic fanbase) just want a good Sonic game.

02-07-2016, 10:40 PM	#1
Cyndaquilfan123 Foot Soldier Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 175	The divide in the TMNT Fanbase... For a while, especially lately, I've noticed a lot of vitriol within the TMNT fanbase torwards Nick, The current movie franchise, and each other. Nick has done a great job with the franchise. The Nick toon is amazing, and what got me into this amazing franchise in the first place. The movies... Well... I enjoy the Bay movie... But, It has some flaws... That's just my opinion.But most of all each other. I'm seeing a lot of hate towards differing opinions. I understand you can't please everyone, since there are a lot of different TMNT adaptations and everyone has their version of it. Maybe cause I'm rather new around here, and I don't understand. What do you guys think?

02-07-2016, 10:44 PM	#2
oldmanwinters Overlord Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Between yesterday and tomorrow! Posts: 15,499	These king of topics never end well. __________________ Experience the TMNT Fan Commentaries! Check out my TMNT fan comic, "Nothing to Fear"! View my sketch work! I'm selling some of my hard-to-find TMNT items!

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02-07-2016, 10:46 PM	#3
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,955	What point are you trying to make? Some people like X, others like Y. It is life.

02-07-2016, 11:22 PM	#5
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,872	That's because there's now a generation gap between TMNT fans. The franchise is 30 years old, you have different fans growing up with different parts of the series. Its no different than any other franchise that has multiple iterations.

02-08-2016, 02:42 AM	#7
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,872	Yep, I honestly wonder if some people here have never been to any fandom of a long-running franchise. Its like people picking their favorite incarnation of Batman. Everyone has a different favored Batman and there's so many to choose from.

02-08-2016, 04:04 AM	#8
Shark_Blade Emperor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,909	Just enjoy what you like. Simple as.

02-08-2016, 06:02 AM	#10
thundermaster612 Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Ninjago City Posts: 1,214	the 30 year gap either separates people or pulls them together, for the OT voice actors, it pulled them. For younglings and those weird adult nerds who actually live in their Mom's basement, not so much.... __________________

02-08-2016, 04:38 PM	#14
CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy Annalist Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 16,435	I love the Great Divide; chocolate chip cookie dough and brownie batter in the same carton! __________________ *ALL THEIR DAYS ARE NUMBERED*

02-08-2016, 04:56 PM	#16
~~Etsyturtle2~~ Banned Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: stuff Posts: 1,721	Isn't this a self explanatory question. Everyone thinks they're right and people of varying opinions are automatically wrong. Very simple really, you get used to it after a while.

02-08-2016, 04:57 PM	#17
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,872	The TMNT fandom is actually relatively tame compared to other fandoms. That's why I don't get why some people act like its so bad here, they've probably never experienced the epic flamewars and debates where people literally hate each other and hold grudges for years and years in other fandoms. Especially shipping wars. The vicious fights over which female character should get together with one guy are absolutely brutal in other fandoms.

02-08-2016, 05:36 PM	#18
MikeandRaph87 Jedi Master Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: JLA Satellite Headquarters Posts: 11,189	I wonder if this topic can maintain civility. Hope so. Its because TMNT is one of the franchises that can interpreted in so many different ways successfully like Batman with Adam West and Frank Miller representing the extremes. Also, whatever iteration that introduces a franchises to an individual will likely stick lout as the preferred version of it. The more exposed the version the more popular. There are those that like the black and white comics which came first. They are very loud but they are very few. Few enough that I never met one until I registered here and ventured over to the comic section for the first time. There are those like myself who see the 1987 cartoon that took a dark parody and made it family friendly as the definitive version. We are many many times the population of that very loud few small crowd who actually like the original take. Between the creator's blueprint reign supreme or the version that took something and ran with it arguably making it many times more approachable for a wider audience should be the focal point of influence? I have my idea and want to see as much of it as possible while other would rather see the other. Now that TMNT has become multi-generational and in its third marketing era others would have been introduced not by the 1987 cartoon but the 2003 cartoon which was inspired by the Mirage comics much more so with some loose bits. Now we see children watching a third cartoon on Nickelodeon while the intellectual property is under the guidance of not a few individuals but a subsidiary of a conglomerate which is creating another new avenue of introduction. The comics of IDW are doing better than Mirage because they are adapting across all media forms while Mirage kept going keeping its crap in its corner not adapting other versions within it. In conclusion its the various different ways the Ninja Turtles can be interpreted successfully and with age creating newer avenues of discovery thus more preferences based mostly on the version of introduction. The argument becomes should the Mirage Comics or the 1987 cartoon be the main influence in current and future versions. __________________ Michelangelo: This looks like a job for the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles! Raphael: Sheesh, Mikey this ain't a cartoon!