Indiana Jones 5 Announced For 2019

[frank_one]

I hope we will only see nazis in flashbacks. Nazis in the 60s? Please, no.

[CyberCubed]

I get the feeling Harrison Ford isn't going to be able to finish this movie, and they'll fill his scenes with CG and stunt doubles.

[Leo656]

I love how they immediately just threw up their hands after the last movie and just said "FINE, he fights Nazis again", even though that makes zero goddamn sense for the time period this movie supposedly takes place in.

Like yeah, he fought Nazis in the only two good movies of the original trilogy but it's not like he's "The Nazi Hunter". He did do OTHER things.

People so fundamentally misunderstood what the fourth movie was trying to do, by creating a plot that leaned on things that were culturally-relevant during that era instead of rehashing what the earlier films did. The earlier films were set in the pre-WWII era, where Nazis and stuff were culturally relevant. In the 1950s, that's where people's obsession/fascination with outer space and extra-terrestrials and other sci-fi concepts took serious hold, so it only made sense to have a plot centered around aliens and whatnot. If you look at some of the most popular and enduring films and stuff from that era, it's mostly aliens/sci-fi type of stuff. It made sense, people just didn't "get it" because it was a bit too different from what they were used to.

So now he's back to fighting Nazis. In the 1960s. As a senior citizen. Because THAT all makes sense.

Ah well.

[Sumac]

Watch they will tie it to MLK and "reviewers" gonna gush how this movie "is topical and says a lot about rise of fascism in US".

In reality, I think, they can't top jumping the shark moment with aliens form ID4, so, whatever. As long it is not a complete dogshit, I probably will be interested in watching it. Somehow. Someday.

[Musashi]

I hope we will only see nazis in flashbacks. Nazis in the 60s? Please, no.

I think that's more likely. In fact, I think it'll be at the beginning of the movie, akin to the River Phoenix as Young Indy sequence from The Last Crusade. Ford, digitally youthened (well - middleageified) and body doubled, in action against Nazis during WWII, and then probably a similar dip the fedora/raise the fedora transition to 70 year old Indy, and the main action will have some relevance to his wartime mission.

Maybe an ancient human object is discovered on the moon, and as an archaeologist with a history of keeping state secrets, Jones is brought in to consult...?

Oh, noticed today - One of the shops is Remy's Drugstore. Wasn't that the name of his Belgian friend during WWI? Coincidence?

[sdp]

Had disney done some deep scouting for an actor who could mimic and do well harrison ford, they could've done a new young indiana jones as well as eventually han solo movies. they moved with the project too fast and found someone that didn't feel like harrison ford and failed at it.
I wish Mutt was in this.

[Musashi]

...People so fundamentally misunderstood what the fourth movie was trying to do, by creating a plot that leaned on things that were culturally-relevant during that era instead of rehashing what the earlier films did. The earlier films were set in the pre-WWII era, where Nazis and stuff were culturally relevant. In the 1950s, that's where people's obsession/fascination with outer space and extra-terrestrials and other sci-fi concepts took serious hold, so it only made sense to have a plot centered around aliens and whatnot. If you look at some of the most popular and enduring films and stuff from that era, it's mostly aliens/sci-fi type of stuff. It made sense, people just didn't "get it" because it was a bit too different from what they were used to...


Good point. 1969 is maybe a little early to be all about shadowy government conspiracies, that's more a mid-70s thing, so what would the cultural zeitgeist of the late 60s suggest for Indiana Jones...? Eastern religions? Mind altering drugs? Anti-war protests? Hmmm.

[frank_one]

so what would the cultural zeitgeist of the late 60s suggest for Indiana Jones...? Eastern religions? Mind altering drugs? Anti-war protests? Hmmm.All of that plus hippies and rock music. Indy at Woodstock? :D

[Musashi]

All of that plus hippies and rock music. Indy at Woodstock? :D

Actually, thinking about it, Indiana Jones is a university professor in 1969... Having been a rebel against the establishment before any of his students were born, and someone who knows for a fact that the world's religions (and extra-dimensional aliens) are actually real, he might have an interesting outlook on 60s youth counter-culture.

[Sumac]

I am afraid it will be ignored as always.

[Andrew NDB]

Antonio Banderas is aboard? OK.

https://www.darkhorizons.com/antonio-banderas-joins-indiana-jones-5/

[IMJ]

Antonio Banderas is aboard? OK.

https://www.darkhorizons.com/antonio-banderas-joins-indiana-jones-5/

I just had a thought....
What if the "de-aged" part of Harrison Ford is that it plays out like X-Men Days of Future Past?

Old Indy goes back in time and inhabits his younger body. We see him as old Indy, but everyone else who sees him sees "young Indy" not knowing old Indy is inhabiting his body.....

[Andrew NDB]

I just had a thought....
What if the "de-aged" part of Harrison Ford is that it plays out like X-Men Days of Future Past?

Old Indy goes back in time and inhabits his younger body. We see him as old Indy, but everyone else who sees him sees "young Indy" not knowing old Indy is inhabiting his body.....

I don't think Harrison would be down with that. By the same token he repeatedly waved away any notion of a "passing of the torch" at every stage (yet people still insist there will, or should be).

[sdp]

He already passed the torch to Mutt last movie. but i do remember reading an interview that it wasn't a passing the torch movie.

[IMJ]

I don't think Harrison would be down with that

How come? I mean, it would be just like X-Men Days of Future Past - Hugh Jackman as-is was on screen throughout the movie with no de-aging, but he was running around in his younger body?

I'm not making a case for this particular angle by any means, but as for the de-aging thing at all - they've sort of confirmed that bare minimum there will be scenes during Nazi-era-Germany with Indy, so right there you have a de-aging situation, no?

[Sumac]

I am feeling like time travel is a bit too much even for Indiana Jones.
That aside, so far everyone seemingly insist that movie takes place in the 60s, so I don't think time travel will happen at all.

[Andrew NDB]

He already passed the torch to Mutt last movie.

Not even slightly. They kind of teased it tongue in cheek with the hat... but Indy grabbed it away. Torch pass... psyche!

Harrison, Spielberg and everyone have been on and on saying "there won't be ANY passing of the torch in Indy 5" but people keep making theories about "Well what about this, or that, or Chris Pratt?"

Indy isn't Solo for Harrison. He never liked playing Solo. Also, Harrison only signed onto Force Awakens way back contingent on there being an Indy 5 put into development with certain understandings. Which one would assume means he has some say over its final shape.

After Harrison dies? Who knows. Open season I guess. But 0 chance of torch passing, time travel younger body swapping, or any rigermerole like that in Indy 5.

I'm not making a case for this particular angle by any means, but as for the de-aging thing at all - they've sort of confirmed that bare minimum there will be scenes during Nazi-era-Germany with Indy, so right there you have a de-aging situation, no?

Well sure. By the same token we got a "deaged Indy" at the beginning of Last Crusade. Only now they have the tools to CGI his younger face onto someone approximating Harrison's body around 1989 (which guaranteed they will do if it's that) and don't need to wholly rely on a younger actor.

Though I'm not 100% convinced the nazi trains and such we're seeing BTS pics of are from a flashback. I mean, they could very well be... but think, like, The Rocketeer.

[Sumac]

I feel like they wanted to "pass the torch" to Mutt, to continue to make Indiana Jones series, but Shia being Shia and all that ruined their plans.

[Andrew NDB]

I feel like they wanted to "pass the torch" to Mutt, to continue to make Indiana Jones series, but Shia being Shia and all that ruined their plans.

Mayyyyybe longterm. Like, "OK, Harrison... we're gonna hang tight till you die, but maybe now we might just plant some seeds for Mutt." But even with Indy IV they were all very clear about no torch passing. Though I honestly believe it was less about that and more just, "Indy is like 65 now... let's actually give him some kind of family by now."

Though even if Shia remains radioactive to them, there's nothing saying they can't just recast him. I mean, it's been like 10 years already. It's not like Indy looks like Christian Slater, or vice versa (or the Boondock Saints guy that nobody talks about). It wouldn't be too weird, I think.

What I'm mostly worried about is that they might try and pull a Die Hard 5 with Indy 5. Like, "we gave you the son.... now meet the daughter!" Particularly, you know. Nowadays.

[frank_one]

It's still unclear to me what ever happened between Shia and Spielberg. Why were they so adamant about him not reprising the role? Did he do or say something wrong?

[NinjaPug]

Looked like Ford had tracking dots on his face in those set pics from a few weeks ago which would indicate we are getting de-aged Indy during some part of the movie.

[IMJ]

It's still unclear to me what ever happened between Shia and Spielberg. Why were they so adamant about him not reprising the role? Did he do or say something wrong?

Shia talked some **** about the production and experience some years back. He still does it from time to time.

Also, KOTCS was littered with the third tier actors talking **** about the production or leaking (at the time) secrets and I think by that point Spielberg was having none of it. Apparently it was so bad that Igor Jijikine was blacklisted from any future Spielberg productions by Spielberg himself, so the whole thing got beyond the point where it wasn't even handled with "silent grace".

Also, "good actor" or not, Shia is from that sort of weird generation of "manchild actors" that might be cranking 30 but has that perpetual "kid" thing going on. He couldn't carry an Indiana Jones movie even if the studio trusted him with it.

Indiana Jones is a serialized character that is always out in the field. I'd be totally down with someone like Chris Pratt taking over in a continued series (much like James Bond) as opposed to a "passing the torch" continuity.

[TylerD]

I was not a big fan of part 4, but I will definitely still watch this one as I love the series..... They sure waited a while to do this one (granted, Harrison Ford is still in great shape and looks awesome for a 79 year old man)

[frank_one]

I would still be interested in a Mutt Williams spin-off. He doesn't need to be the "new indiana jones", no passing of the torch. I would like to see him developed as a character of his own, like we've seen in Indy4. That's the only way to keep the franchise going I would approve. No Chris Pratt or whoever, no James Bond style stuff. When Ford dies, Indiana Jones dies (but other supporting characters don't).

[Sumac]

Mayyyyybe longterm. Like, "OK, Harrison... we're gonna hang tight till you die, but maybe now we might just plant some seeds for Mutt." But even with Indy IV they were all very clear about no torch passing. Though I honestly believe it was less about that and more just, "Indy is like 65 now... let's actually give him some kind of family by now."
Also, I think, they didn't expect it'll take them so long to make a sequel, if they planned any back than.

[IMJ]

I would still be interested in a Mutt Williams spin-off. He doesn't need to be the "new indiana jones", no passing of the torch. I would like to see him developed as a character of his own, like we've seen in Indy4. That's the only way to keep the franchise going I would approve. No Chris Pratt or whoever, no James Bond style stuff. When Ford dies, Indiana Jones dies (but other supporting characters don't).

A lot of people say this too, and I understand completely. I've been an Indy fan since Raiders was in theaters and like everyone else I love Ford and his career at large. Obviously Star Wars, but Blade Runner and his Jack Ryan and Jack Ryan-style stuff too..... But people used to say that about Connery as James Bond and countless other franchises as well, but it's been done and can work. I just think you need to pull off perfect casting if you are going to replace Ford. It didn't work in Solo for example, they got the wrong guy (that movie shouldn't have been made anyway).

I'm one of the few hardcore Indy collectors that seem to think this would be okay, which is actually crazy that I've developed that perspective because in general I'm a purist. It's a confusing place to be in... hahahahaha! I'm basically a fairly hardcore Indiana Jones and Iron Man collector, and to be honest I think RD JR can be replaced too..... :o:D

As for Mutt? I imagine Indiana Jones as a series of anthology adventures in general, but that means they follow the character doing stuff. I can't really imagine what Mutt's story could be in that "Universe" if he went off on his own series. It's neither here nor there though, I think it's safe to say it will never happen. Honestly there is a better chance that Indy will get a reboot with a new actor via Disney owning the I.P. Hell they are making a new movie with Spielberg....

[Coola Yagami]

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Also, "good actor" or not, Shia is from that sort of weird generation of "manchild actors" that might be cranking 30 but has that perpetual "kid" thing going on. He couldn't carry an Indiana Jones movie even if the studio trusted him with it.



Tom Holland seems to be going that route as is Zendaya. They both look like by the time they're 50 they're gonna look like kids with wrinkles.

I kinda think Leonardo DiCaprio woulda looked pretty much like that too if he never gained the weight. I mean, lose the weight and the beard and he's basically 'manchild actor' too.

[IMJ]

Tom Holland seems to be going that route as is Zendaya. They both look like by the time they're 50 they're gonna look like kids with wrinkles.

I kinda think Leonardo DiCaprio woulda looked pretty much like that too if he never gained the weight. I mean, lose the weight and the beard and he's basically 'manchild actor' too.

Exactly, man. Exactly. And I used to feel that way about DiCaprio too. Awesome actor, but he needed that weight and some muscle to look like an adult in an adult world of movies.....

[Musashi]

I am feeling like time travel is a bit too much even for Indiana Jones.
That aside, so far everyone seemingly insist that movie takes place in the 60s, so I don't think time travel will happen at all.

The sequence being shot right now takes place in late summer 1969. A parade welcoming back the Apollo 11 astronauts is disrupted by an attack involving a guy on a motorbike, and Indy rides a horse at some point.

[Andrew NDB]

Also, I think, they didn't expect it'll take them so long to make a sequel, if they planned any back than.

Yeah. I'm sure the plan was "let's do a second Indy trilogy." But like always, George Lucas read all the people disliking Indy 4 and just shut down. And until the Disney sale no one else could so much as take a crack at the story for a 5.

[Autbot_Benz]

Grain of Salt Time

The site notes that, "Insiders claim Kathleen Kennedy, the Hollywood producer behind the franchise, is keen to make 'big, bold' changes – with few bigger than switching the lead character to a woman." One source adds, "It would be a huge statement, and a great role for Phoebe."

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/action/indiana_jones/indiana-jones-5-rumored-to-be-setting-the-stage-for-the-franchises-new-lead-spoilers-a187962#gs.amz9fx

[Leo656]

I don't know if it'll come to that, but I would definitely put money down on the idea that those conversations are happening behind-the-scenes very high up. There's no way it hasn't come up in conversation.

[IMJ]

If it happens it will backfire badly. Indy fans, man.... I mean, I wouldn't blame them for walking away; but you've got to know your audience. I could see one of those guys like actually assassinating Kathleen Kennedy or something for her bull $#!( there. Indy fans are a rough crowd, I'm telling you.

[Leo656]

The thing is, "Indiana Jones" as a character isn't necessarily "over" (in wrestling parlance). I know the Young Indy TV series did okay, but aside from that, there's been a ton of secondary media from comics to video games starring the Indy character and all have done "just okay" at best.

Without Harrison Ford, specifically, there simply is no sustainable Indiana Jones "franchise". People don't care so much about the character in and of itself as they do in seeing Harrison Ford BE that character (and typically having so much fun with it as he always did, or seemed to be anyway).

I know it's in the best interests of Hollywood to try and maintain the Indy "brand's" popularity by tinkering with it so that it can become something sustainable into the future since Ford essentially won't be able to remain involved much longer for multiple reasons. But I just don't see the Indy character being something they can just "James Bond" their way into making an evergreen franchise. I kinda think it'll end when he does, for the most part. It'll still be merchandised in the form of those comics and video games and such even after Ford himself is no longer with us, but they'll continue to be irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

I definitely see the studios trying to make "Indiana Jane" as a desperate gamble to move the brand beyond Ford, and then when that fails they'll inevitably try and reboot the entire series with whatever young male actor they want to push as the next big action star, doing a serviceable Harrison Ford impression. But it's not gonna work.

Nobody cares about Rocky unless it's Sylvester Stallone playing him, and nobody cares about Indiana Jones without Harrison Ford. That's just the way it is.

[CyberCubed]

Yeah nobody is going to care about this franchise after Harrison Ford. I mean look at the Tomb Raider movies which is basically the same thing with worse writing, nobody cares about the movies despite the games being popular.

[frank_one]

there's been a ton of secondary media from comics to video games starring the Indy character and all have done "just okay" at best.The videogame Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis is considered a masterpiece among the fans of the old graphic adventure genre but, yes, it probably sold "just okay" as not a lot of people appreciate that videogames genre.

[Leo656]

The videogame Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis is considered a masterpiece among the fans of the old graphic adventure genre but, yes, it probably sold "just okay" as not a lot of people appreciate that videogames genre.

I played it, it's pretty good. I'm not a big adventure game guy but I had fun with it.

But yeah I'm sure most "Indy Fans" don't even know about it, just like all the other secondary media related to the character. I love a lot of the comics and games, but they're not a big deal in the Big Picture. For most people the "franchise" is just the movies, and without Ford there's just no draw.

The concept and even the character isn't what attracts people, it's always simply been Ford doing his thing with a role that was basically built as a showcase for him. It's not like there's a whole genre of "Archaeologist Punches Nazis" fiction out there that people fawn over, it's pretty much just this One Thing.

Remove him from the equation, you've got no product.

[IMJ]

The videogame Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis is considered a masterpiece among the fans of the old graphic adventure genre but, yes, it probably sold "just okay" as not a lot of people appreciate that videogames genre.

The Emperor's Tomb was really good and there were some great moments in the Staff of Kings as well - especially that crazy last level riding a motorcycle through the ocean!

[Sumac]

Replacing Indy would be a biggest mistake Kennedy can do, which is why I am confident she will do it. If not, because, she things she is some sort of super genius (which almost ruined the greatest franchise on the planet), but, just out of spite to "smash the patriarchy" and leave her mark in this history.

Come to think of it - she is possibly Herostratus of a Hollywood: her goal is to be remembered at any cost and **** on others while she can.

Replacing Indy with a woman would be an end of the franchise, much like replacing Bond with a woman would be the same. We've seen how it works with Ghostbusters'16.

[Andrew NDB]

I wouldn't be against a spinoff of Indiana Jones that happens to feature a woman. As long as it's just its own thing and 5 isn't just a vehicle for that, which I don't think it will be. And any kind of "fresh start" beginning in the 60s (which is when 5 is set) isn't quite as fun as a return to, say, the 40s.

And I loved the Fate of Atlantis game on PC ages ago. To me, that will always be the best 4th movie we never got. I think I had to call a 1-900 hint number to get through it and got in trouble with my parents when they got the bill.

[sdp]

so there's time travel in the new movie, i think it's the most exciting thing we've heard so far.

[oldmanwinters]

so there's time travel in the new movie, i think it's the most exciting thing we've heard so far.

Hmm... was that a trope of 1960s sci-fi/adventure media? I guess there's Doctor Who as a contemporary of that time period.

[Andrew NDB]

Time travel, huh? If so, how much you want to bet we're gonna get Old Indy and (CGI de-aged) Young Indy teaming up?

[TigerClaw]

It seems that We Got This Covered is reporting on these, They have a reputation on reporting on rumors, No other site is covering this news.
https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/indiana-jones-5-rumored-to-feature-time-travel/

[Andrew NDB]

Seems to be all stemming from one guy's Twitter:

https://twitter.com/ViewerAnon

Might be legit.

[TigerClaw]

Seems to be all stemming from one guy's Twitter:

https://twitter.com/ViewerAnon

Might be legit.
I wouldn't trust anything posted from some random twitter account, Especially one that isn't verified.

[Andrew NDB]

I wouldn't trust anything posted from some random twitter account, Especially one that isn't verified.

As a rule, no, but looking at the body of his tweets I'd leave this one as a "maybe."

[NinjaPug]

The new set photos that leaked lend credence to the time travel rumor.

I don't know whether I like or hate the idea of time travel Indy movie. Initial reaction is WTF? but then I'm intrigued to see how they try to pull it off.

[frank_one]

Indy will travel back in time to prevent Mutt's conception.

[Sumac]

Time Travel, huh?
Well, I mean, after aliens, I don't think time travel is outrageous.

Though, I hope it is not Men in Black 3 situation, where they've used time travel as a plot device to replace TLJ with Brolin for majority of the movie.

[TigerClaw]

Time travel seems far fetch for Indiana Jones considering every movie dealt with a McGuffin of some sort, And these things always have some sort of supernatural property, With the exception that Crystal Skull dealt with an interdimensional alien which wasn't supernatural at all.

They are gonna find one that can take a person back in time, and that person changes something in the past, That Indiana Jones have to go back in time to stop that person from changing the past?

What if someone went back in time, and change it enough that the Nazi won WW2.

With how Indiana Jones dealt with the Nazi twice, I wouldn't be surprise if they are the bad guys again.

There's a section that mentions Time Travel in the Indiana Jones Wiki.
https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Time_travel

[Autbot_Benz]

It seems that We Got This Covered is reporting on these, They have a reputation on reporting on rumors, No other site is covering this news.
https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/indiana-jones-5-rumored-to-feature-time-travel/

Yes wegotthiscovered has a reputation .... a reputation of being the worst site on the internet for movie news. they make up **** and try to pass it off as fact. Nobody believes anything they post. Never post stuff from wegotthiscovered in the future

[LeotheLateBloomer]

What Autbot_Benz said.

[Andrew NDB]

More evidence of time travel. Ancient Romans seen on set:

https://www.darkhorizons.com/ancient-romans-seen-on-indy-5-set/

[frank_one]

Indy in ancient Rome? Nah, it would feel WAY too off. These are just flasbacks, we are getting a bit paranoid now.

[Sumac]

Let the copium flow through you...!! :lol:

[Andrew NDB]

Indy in ancient Rome? Nah, it would feel WAY too off. These are just flasbacks, we are getting a bit paranoid now.

Who would be having the flashbacks to ancient Rome, though? The Indiana Jones movies only ever had them in Last Crusade, and they were just Indiana Jones himself remembering his earlier years. That we'd suddenly get flashbacks to ancient Rome after 4 movies of nothing remotely like that would be pretty weird.

[frank_one]

Not a proper flashback in the sense of a character remembering a moment of his life but a character explaining an historical fact, like a battle in an ancient era where an artifact was stolen or got lost. A glimpse of ancient times, a very short scene, maybe 20 seconds or less.
I'm sure this movie will be quite different. We need to remember Spielberg and Lucas are not around this time.

[NinjaPug]

Delayed another year until July 2023.

You can only laugh about it at this point.

[frank_one]

Ouch! Not a good sign.

[Sumac]

July 2023!?
Ouch.

Would anyone care about it? And WTH had happened to warrant such delay.

[NinjaPug]

To be fair Disney bumped a bunch of movies back today and noted production delays as the reason. I'm guessing they want a Summer release date which is why it got the full year delay.

Shockingly Avatar 2 wasn't moved back for the 77th time with this round of release date changes.

[Andrew NDB]

July 2023!?
Ouch.

Would anyone care about it? And WTH had happened to warrant such delay.

It's weird. I could understand a delay of 2-3 months because of Ford's injury... but 11? This is like the last movie you'd want to be delaying like that, and for multiple reasons.

[CyberCubed]

Harrison Ford is 79 right now meaning he'll be 81+ by the time this movie comes out. What the hell

[Andrew NDB]

One possible theory: perhaps they gave it a good try, but ultimately Ford's physicality just wasn't everything it needed to be so now they're going to do "Robert Downey Jr. in Iron Man 3" it all with Ford onto a body double for the rest of the movie and know they'll need an extra year to make it look seamless.

[Andrew NDB]

Didn't Disney mention "new start wars strating with episode 7 and new Indiana Jones" when they bought Lucas film. It'll be a decade since that happened by the time this releases.

Not exactly. Ford came back for 7 conditional on them making Indiana Jones 5, and with him as the star. Ford wanted it more than Disney wanted it, really.

[Leo656]

This is gonna sound morbid, but this is what I think is happening. Truthfully.

Studio wants the "Indy" franchise, but they know Ford is out after this. But so long as he's alive, nobody will accept another "Indiana Jones" (or "Indiana Jane", or whatever, if they go with the oft-rumored female reboot/spinoff approach).

They're already looking past THIS movie to the reboot series. They know this movie might do "okay", but after Crystal Skull they're not counting on a huge hit. But a reboot/spinoff series, potentially, can earn them four or five times as much money over a series of multiple movies. BUT, they can't get there as long as Ford is alive.

So they drag this movie's release date out. It comes out, does whatever business it does, if it's middling, no big deal, they braced for that. They can even use "We might have waited too long" as an excuse, if it doesn't do great.

Ford dies. 5 minutes later, the studio pulls the same thing Sony did with Ghostbusters after Ramis died, and announce the new reboot movie before the guy's body is even cold. When people push back, the studio argues, "Well, I mean, what do you expect us to do? People love this franchise, and besides, it's not our fault the guy up and died, y'know?"

So now, they get to have their big (most likely female-led) Indy reboot/spin-off that nobody would have ever accepted while Harrison Ford was still alive, and if it doesn't hit, they can say, "Well, the alternative is Nothing, because the guy's dead, so learn to love it, losers." And people at that point suck it up and go along because as long as SOMEONE is fighting Nazis with a whip set to John Williams music, it's better than nothing.

SO, that's what I think is gonna happen. Whether or not that's "the plan" or just how it ends up playing out, that's what I think will ultimately happen. But the fact is, the earlier Indy 5 comes out, the more it screws up plans for the reboot, because they have to wait for Ford to die before they can even attempt it. The shorter the wait between Indy 5 and nature taking its course, the sooner they can jumpstart the reboot. I mean, on a personal level I doubt that anyone over there is like HOPING for him to die anytime immediately soon, but on some level, him being alive is an obstacle to their future plans for the series. They can get this one last movie out of him, but they MIGHT in theory get like 5 or 6 out of a reboot. Which means, hypothetically, they can make more money Without him than With him.

Granted, that theory makes the studio look like a bunch of jackals, but... well, c'mon. I mean you know these are the conversations going on, even if nobody's saying so out loud.

Also, keep in mind I 100% expect any inevitable Indy reboot/spinoff to fail so hard it cracks a hole in the planet. Without Ford, there IS no "Indiana Jones Franchise" and I think most sane people understand that.

All this speculation on my part, is simply me trying to think like a soulless movie studio executive who's on a ton of drugs and has no real sense of value for human life so long as it's inconveniencing my profit margins. Thus, This Scenario makes sense, to me. But I don't ultimately expect it to work out for them when they do try their reboot/spinoff/misc. I'm just saying I think I know what's going on.

[Sumac]

I hope you're wrong.
But...

[Andrew NDB]

I'm not convinced anyone at Disney is necessarily seeing dollar signs, virtue signal points, or even a particular urge hovering around "a titular young straight white male running around the 1940s appropriating cultures and artifacts" right now. Ford has been really the only one driving Indy 5 getting made since the Disney acquisition, and even then only for selfish (but understandable) reasons.

[Leo656]

I hope you're wrong.
But...

The thing is, whenever that does happen, it's okay. Because I usually predict Bad Things, so if I'm wrong it means Good Things. Ergo, I actually don't really mind being wrong that much. Since it generally seems to work out to a favorable conclusion anyways.

I try to qualify a lot of these suppositions with some variation of, "If I'm wrong, then Good." But sometimes I forget.

[Andrew NDB]

Filming wrapped.

https://www.darkhorizons.com/fifth-indiana-jones-wraps-filming/

[neatoman]

Does... Anyone know what the plot of this movie will be? The only thing that I can figure out is that it takes place circa 1972, and that's just based on the age of Harrison Ford.

Edit: It just struck me, that's less than ten years from when Raiders was released in the real world. What are the odds of this movie having a scene where Lucas and Spielberg show up and buy the rights to make the Indiana Jones biopic?

[Sumac]

Does... Anyone know what the plot of this movie will be? The only thing that I can figure out is that it takes place circa 1972, and that's just based on the age of Harrison Ford.
I've heard it involves time travel and social movements (but, of course!).
And some "female replacement / heir of Indiana" or something like that.

[frank_one]

It just struck me, that's less than ten years from when Raiders was released in the real world.That is fascinating. The movie will be set in a period when Ford, Lucas and Spielberg were taking their first steps in the world of movie making.

[Andrew NDB]

I've only seen reports of 60s, nothing about the 70s.

[IMJ]

I've only seen reports of 60s, nothing about the 70s.

Me too. And that most of the movie will be in WWII era environments with a de-aged Ford.

[ProphetofGanja]

What are the odds of this movie having a scene where Lucas and Spielberg show up and buy the rights to make the Indiana Jones biopic?

That could've been a great bit, fifteen years ago or so. Now? I just don't think it would hit the same

[frank_one]

I've only seen reports of 60s, nothing about the 70s.I'm not sure we ever got anything official about the time period. Actually we still don't know a thing about the plot or anything else, only fans speculation.
But yeah, if I have to guess, I think we won't see Indy in the 70s. Late 60s are more likely, unless there's a scene at the end of the movie with an even older Indy with a stick and a eyepatch, fingers crossed.

[Andrew NDB]

The likelihood is that Harrison will be playing "a little" younger than he actually is. Not much, but a little. Like, it'll be 5 years after Crystal Skull and not 14 years.

[ProphetofGanja]

So what will the McGuffin be this time around? The Indiana Jones movies have typically featured a paranormal/supernatural artifact of some kind (usually with a religious bent), but the last one featured "extraterrestrials" (it was possibly implied that they actually came from a different dimension as well as/or instead of outer space? IDK I can't remember).

What would be a period-appropriate artifact or sum for Jones and crew to track down and keep out of the wrong hands?

[Andrew NDB]

So Banderas plays a friend of Indy's and the movie is going for the feel of the first two Indiana Jones movies:

https://movieweb.com/indiana-jones-5-star-antonio-banderas-left-starstruck-seeing-harrison-ford-return-iconic-adventurer/?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_campaign=Echobox-TW&utm_medium=Social-Distribution&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR2XJFyr6xyIWMktgu0LVpW4UewfAV6hfNP49VPkj-XTgDelQIHFHwe3hCs#Echobox=1655760752

[Leo656]

What's wrong with "The Last Crusade", I wonder? Too sentimental?

[Andrew NDB]

What's wrong with "The Last Crusade", I wonder? Too sentimental?

I guess? "The family adventures of the Jones family" that sort of continued into Crystal Skull, maybe.

[Leo656]

I mean, something in the vein of "Raiders" is fine with me, but I really don't care much for "Temple" and never have. To me that's the real "black sheep" of the franchise. I generally ignore that one entirely.

[Andrew NDB]

If Raiders was like "A New Hope" and Last Crusade was like "Return of the Jedi," Temple of Doom was like... "Solo," or something.

[TheBlueTurtle1]

I love the Indiana movies, and that is why I am NOT going to watch this.

[Andrew NDB]

It would have been fun to see a Spielberg take on Indiana Jones devoid of George, in a way. Shame. On the plus side, Mangold has just enough "fu** off" clout after Logan that I think he won't be messed with too much.

[superstaff]

I mean, something in the vein of "Raiders" is fine with me, but I really don't care much for "Temple" and never have. To me that's the real "black sheep" of the franchise. I generally ignore that one entirely.

Yeah, that's my least fave of the original trilogy.

Is anyone unironically excited for this, by the way? Do people really wanna see 80 year old Harrison Ford swinging around, and using a whip?

[Leo656]

I make it a rule to never look forward to or be excited about anything.

More people should do the same, if they knew what was good for them.

I confess, part of me takes some sick pleasure in watching other people constantly get excited for things, and then inevitably be let down by them. At some point it's like, "C'mon. You know better. Don't do this to yourself. 'Hope' is a very pretty word for 'Delusion', and subconsciously, you people KNOW this." But they can't ACCEPT it.

Meanwhile, you'll almost never hear me say "I'm disappointed". Because I fully recognize that most things are truly awful, and only expect all future things to be so as well. The happy side being, if ever they're NOT that, I get to be pleasantly surprised.

...But that almost never happens.

[superstaff]

I make it a rule to never look forward to or be excited about anything.


I'm not excited about this or anything else, because 99.9% of things suck now.

But I find the notion of being excited for this specific thing to be weird. Harrison Ford is practically in a nursing home now. I can't fathom why anyone would want to see the man running around in the Indiana Jones get-up aside from misplaced nostalgia. :lol:

[Leo656]

We're currently in an age where "misplaced nostalgia" is the ONLY reason ANYTHING even gets made.

You kinda figure at some point the well will run dry and people will start to have Actual Ideas again, but these days I'm not so sure anymore. People sure do love them some 'Member Berries.

Also, I Edited my post but it really just expands upon the same basic point I'd already made.

[superstaff]

I confess, part of me takes some sick pleasure in watching other people constantly get excited for things, and then inevitably be let down by them. At some point it's like, "C'mon. You know better. Don't do this to yourself. 'Hope' is a very pretty word for 'Delusion', and subconsciously, you people KNOW this." But they can't ACCEPT it.

Meanwhile, you'll almost never hear me say "I'm disappointed". Because I fully recognize that most things are truly awful, and only expect all future things to be so as well. The happy side being, if ever they're NOT that, I get to be pleasantly surprised.

...But that almost never happens.

Maybe me too, except most people aren't let down by stuff like this. They love sh*t like Indiana Jones 5 nowadays. People's standards are pretty low when it comes to entertainment. As long as there's 'splosions and capes (or dinosaurs or popular characters they recognize), and 'memberberries/fanservice then they are perfectly content with any pile of sh*t storyline.

We're currently in an age where "misplaced nostalgia" is the ONLY reason ANYTHING even gets made.

You kinda figure at some point the well will run dry and people will start to have Actual Ideas again, but these days I'm not so sure anymore. People sure do love them some 'Member Berries.


I don't even think so. Most new IPs keep flopping or underperforming. Think about it, when was the last time a new IP actually managed to break through and become super popular? Most of the popular stuff now are somehow connected to some franchise that's already been around for a while...like Spider-Man NWH of the MCU.

Look at the top 10 movie chart for 2022 currently. Aside from two Chinese movies and The Bad Guys, the rest are connected to famous franchises, mostly sequels or remakes.

[Leo656]

What comforts me is that 1. There's still plenty of old stuff I've yet to see, 2. There's plenty of things I've already seen but will never get sick of seeing again, and 3. Family history suggests I don't have a ton of years left anyway. 20-ish, maybe.

So frankly, I could literally never watch another newly-made movie or TV show for the rest of my life and I'll be perfectly fine and never bored at all. They could just stop making new things entirely for all I care, in fact I'd probably be a lot happier because it would mean no more terrible reboots/sequels/reimaginings ever again and thus fewer things for me to get mad at.

It's probably a pretty unique position. Most people don't feel that way, I'm sure. But yeah, for me the Best Case Scenario would be for everyone to... just, like, STOP doing stuff. We already HAVE Stuff, we don't need MORE stuff. It's like when you're a kid begging your Mom for a new toy and she says "You HAVE toys, just play with the ones you have." You cry like a snot-nosed punk but there's true wisdom in that even when you don't wanna listen or hear it.

[superstaff]

Meh. I've seen way too much movies and TV over my life, so I don't feel as 'blessed'. Furthermore than that, I get depressed over the state of entertainment, and the world at large. My family tends to live long lives as well, but do I want to live it the way things are headed right now? ...............................I'll just keep that answer to myself.

[Sumac]

Meh. I've seen way too much movies and TV over my life, so I don't feel as 'blessed'. Furthermore than that, I get depressed over the state of entertainment, and the world at large. My family tends to live long lives as well, but do I want to live it the way things are headed right now? ...............................I'll just keep that answer to myself.
Sounds emo. Kiddish. And stupid.

Only you define what your life is, and if you allow outside influences to ruin it for you, then you need to re-evaluate everything in your life.

There are always wars, power0hungry dictators, idiotic politicians and the like. Allowing this **** to ruin your life is senseless and dumb.

[superstaff]

Sounds emo. Kiddish. And stupid.

Only you define what your life is, and if you allow outside influences to ruin it for you, then you need to re-evaluate everything in your life.

There are always wars, power0hungry dictators, idiotic politicians and the like. Allowing this **** to ruin your life is senseless and dumb.

:roll: Cool story, bro. I don't care what you guys think of me now. I really don't, given that y'all hate my guts. So go on, insult me and tell me to 'KYS'. Actually, maybe try and get some new material, I've heard all of this before anyhow.

Oh, and life sucks. Specifically my life. And now that entertainment sucks, which used to be one of my coping mechanisms, I have a lot more time to think about how sh*tty life is. It's super wonderful.

[Andrew NDB]

I don't care what you guys think of me now. I really don't, given that y'all hate my guts.

OK, this has got to be an act now. Right?

[superstaff]

OK, this has got to be an act now. Right?

Yes.

I really am a SJW spy sent here to disrupt the lives of all the conservatives on here. Biden's my boss. I'll say hi to him for you. :lol:

[Sumac]

I really don't, given that y'all hate my guts. So go on, insult me and tell me to 'KYS'.
I don't throw pity parties. Neither I like people who act like they are 14. And we already have Leo for this kind of thing. :lol:

In general, if you want attention you could just say something smart or post boobs.

[superstaff]

In general, if you want attention you could just say something smart or post boobs.

Nothing I've ever said is smart, not sure why you're acting like I ever was. :lol: And nah, you don't want to see my ugly boobies.

[Andrew NDB]

And nah, you don't want to see my ugly boobies.

https://c.tenor.com/MUWE-AShoU4AAAAM/ill-be-the-judge-ako-ang-huhusga.gif

[Leo656]

I don't throw pity parties. Neither I like people who act like they are 14. And we already have Leo for this kind of thing. :lol:


Aside from how I'll unflinchingly tell someone to kill themselves once I deem them an annoyance, I'm generally more stable than you seem to think.

And I honestly don't think there's anything wrong with me doing that, either. I've explained my "Obstacles and Allies Theory" several times (in brief, every person you ever interact with can be divided into two camps, those you can benefit from and those who are simply in your way making your life difficult), and I sincerely believe all "obstacles" must be eliminated, not ignored. Therefore, if a person is making my life difficult it's only natural for me to not want them sucking up my precious oxygen. If they're of no use to me, why would I care if they were alive or dead?

SO, the absolute worst thing anyone can say about me is that I'm a sociopath. Is that somehow against the law? SHOW ME THE RULE, UMP! :lol: Seems downright logical from where I stand, quite honestly. We all practice the Obstacles and Allies Strategy every single day, I'm just more honest about it than most people. Why exactly is that bad?

((Shrug))

[IMJ]

:roll: Cool story, bro. I don't care what you guys think of me now. I really don't, given that y'all hate my guts.

I don't think you are even remotely close to being on that "list", especially as compared to onesy twosy of the other brain trust of women-provocateur's that post here.

[superstaff]

I don't think you are even remotely close to being on that "list", especially as compared to onesy twosy of the other brain trust of women-provocateur's that post here.

I've come to realize this now. :tcry:

[TheBlueTurtle1]

They are literally taking everything/franchise you loved as a kid and tarnishing it with a woke virtue signalling brush. Then when it sucks and fails they, attack the fans.

I hope more movies like Top Gun maverick start to spin the wheel for change.

[Andrew NDB]

They are literally taking everything/franchise you loved as a kid and tarnishing it with a woke virtue signalling brush. Then when it sucks and fails they, attack the fans.

I hope more movies like Top Gun maverick start to spin the wheel for change.

I remain hopeful about Indy 5 until there is reason to not be. So far so good.

[TheBlueTurtle1]

You know it's gonna suck:P

[IMJ]

You know it's gonna suck:P

I sort of have that deeply rooted-from-childhood Indiana Jones fandom about me where the reward system for me just seeing the guy running around doing things in costume is so great that I almost don't care about the narrative quality.

But if they "woke" up Indiana Jones, that's the kind of content that deconstructs a franchise into an agenda. I don't think I'd be down for that, even if it's Indy.

[Andrew NDB]

Taratino says Crystal Skull was better than Last Crusade:

https://movieweb.com/quentin-tarantino-rates-indiana-jones-and-the-kingdom-of-the-crystal-skull-over-the-last-crusade/?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_campaign=Echobox-TW&utm_medium=Social-Distribution&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR3_KIyZpiNqQAIt1ZCkosdcQtHCVloQ88_hWVuYx toSUVTzpi-mwiw82Sk#Echobox=1660589489

[oldmanwinters]

Taratino says Crystal Skull was better than Last Crusade:

https://movieweb.com/quentin-tarantino-rates-indiana-jones-and-the-kingdom-of-the-crystal-skull-over-the-last-crusade/?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_campaign=Echobox-TW&utm_medium=Social-Distribution&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR3_KIyZpiNqQAIt1ZCkosdcQtHCVloQ88_hWVuYx toSUVTzpi-mwiw82Sk#Echobox=1660589489

Somehow I believe he would think that...

[Andrew NDB]

Somehow I believe he would think that...

He makes a decent enough case there. More that Last Crusade is overrated than Crystal Skull being of high quality.

[oldmanwinters]

He makes a decent enough case there. More that Last Crusade is overrated than Crystal Skull being of high quality.

Seems to me like Taratino isn't the type who embraces explicit sentimentality (or vague spiritualism) that is central to the film's conclusion. Arguably, the only truly great Indy movie is Raiders and even then some folks knock it down a peg because Indy isn't necessarily essential for the resolution of any major plot point (which I still think works in the film's favor rather than its detriment).

But I still probably prefer Last Crusade of all the films. Seemed a very fitting way to close out the franchise too.

[Andrew NDB]

Also Boyd Holbrook says it is "badass."

https://comicbookmovie.com/action/indiana_jones/the-sandman-star-boyd-holbrook-teases-logan-director-james-mangolds-badass-indiana-jones-5-a195291?fbclid=IwAR34-Dsm-JZCw93JdsYifJ8Y5uFh-w3NAkVD6LgQFgLPH0jNUqFGk0Bga4M#gs.c764.997r4s

[Leo656]

I've never had any huge problems with Crystal Skull. I think it should be obvious to anyone who didn't grow up with the series since childhood and/or can be thoroughly objective that Temple is easily the worst one.

That said, Tarantino is a huge cocaine addict and so pretty much nothing he says about anything should be given much attention.

[IMJ]

I just ordered one of the Disney store Sankara stone replicas. I would've ordered the Idol but it was sold out. I'm on the fence about the crystal skull - it looks great but 250? Eh..

[TigerClaw]

New costumes and concept art from Indy 5 at D23, Its possible that we might get a trailer today.
https://twitter.com/indy5news/status/1568286930764238859

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FcOsl1sWQAAyZk7?format=jpg&name=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FcOsl1kX0AM7Q9N?format=jpg&name=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FcOsl1jWQAADzRk?format=jpg&name=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FcOsl1hXkAIHHfC?format=jpg&name=medium

[ProphetofGanja]

I still just wish they had made this like 10 yrs ago...

[IMJ]

I do too. But I'm an Indiana Jones nut. I just ordered the Disney store Headpiece to the Staff of Ra today. Can't wait to get it into my Indy case....

I just like to see Ford running around as Indy doing stuff.

[CyberCubed]

I still just wish they had made this like 10 yrs ago...

80 year old Harrison Ford. :ohwell:

Every single scene that isn't him standing around will be a stunt double.

[TigerClaw]

Harrison Ford and Ke Huy Quan reunited 38 years after ‘Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom’. #D23Expo
https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1568718269867245568

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FcU08uHakAIjDbe?format=jpg&name=medium

[Leo656]

80 year old Harrison Ford. :ohwell:

Every single scene that isn't him standing around will be a stunt double.

To be blunt without being mean, this is what happens when people collectively insist on never letting go of the things they liked when they were 7.

I mean, liking those things is just fine, but being fanatical about those things is how we get 100-year old Indiana Jones and a bunch of bad Star Wars content.

[IMJ]

To be blunt without being mean, this is what happens when people collectively insist on never letting go of the things they liked when they were 7.

I mean, liking those things is just fine, but being fanatical about those things is how we get 100-year old Indiana Jones and a bunch of bad Star Wars content.

Not entirely true.
More like this is what we get when an actor insists on never letting go of a role and comes back for the cash grab after 2 separate decades of being a prima donna about a character. - first across the 90's and then through the 2010's. :lol:

[Sumac]

To be blunt without being mean, this is what happens when people collectively insist on never letting go of the things they liked when they were 7.

I mean, liking those things is just fine, but being fanatical about those things is how we get 100-year old Indiana Jones and a bunch of bad Star Wars content.
WTF?
Yeah, its like all this fans were making decisions to make all those sequels...oh, wait...

[Leo656]

If there were no demand from arrested-development 40-somethings, then Harrison Ford could have had a peaceful retirement and we wouldn't have Crystal Skull (Which I liked but fully admit was a big letdown after "Last Crusade") and this new one which is probably mostly gonna be Deepfake Harrison Ford 10% of the time and a stunt guy 80% of the time.

"Last Crusade" was a perfect place to end the series. No matter how good Indy 5 ends up being, 50 years from now people will STILL overwhelmingly be saying, "They should have stopped with 'Last Crusade'." Even the people excited for it right now will say, in time, "Yeah, we shouldn't have pushed, they should have let it be after '89."

It's perfectly fine to still enjoy things you liked as a kid, to rewatch and revisit them. Wanting/expecting/demanding MORE of that 30+ years later isn't only unhealthy, though, but it sets up a ton of disappointment because not only are things never as good the second or third time around but also a rehash is never as good as the original, so everyone is inevitably left wanting, thus defeating the entire point of the exercise.

People SAY, "I'd like to see another Indiana Jones movie" (or Terminator, or Alien, or _______), but what they're really doing is chasing the dragon and trying to get a hit of that same feeling they had when they saw that stuff as kids. Except it's like smoking crack, you can never get that same hit again and chasing it is how you get in trouble. Best not to even bother.

I guess it's not a popular opinion to say "Leave the memories alone and just come up with new stuff." But since none of the money from these reboots and rehashes goes into my pocket, I'd be perfectly fine not watching producers (and nostalgic fanboys) flog every dead horse into glue the way they do.

This isn't specifically to do with Indiana Jones, even - as I've mentioned, I'm probably THE most tolerant person alive as far as Crystal Skull; it's nowhere near as "bad" as people swear and I'm convinced that like most so-called "bad" movies a lot of people just didn't get what it was trying to do, but objectively it shouldn't have been made. No, it's not this franchise, I'm just plain not a fan of nostalgia shows/movies, of 30+-years too late sequels, and stuff like that. I find it very sad that people can't find (or create) new things to capture peoples' imaginations and instead have to resort to microwaving leftovers from decades in the past. It really illustrates how we've become stagnant as a species, creatively, and so long as Nostalgia Wank exists as a crutch for so-called "creators" to lean on - and as long as people keep popping for it - there will be no reason for anyone to come up with New Things. And we'll forever be trapped in this constant cycle of people begging for a New Page out of an Old Book and then complaining that it doesn't live up to expectations.

The only one of these Nostalgic Jerk-Bait projects that's truly satisfied is Cobra Kai, and let's be honest, most things in life are NOT Cobra Kai.

I don't expect this movie to be terrible or anything, and I will see it, sure; I'm more just commenting on what it represents for pop culture and society as a whole, which is nothing really good. Ford himself says he will never, ever play Indy again... but at the same time, I am quite sure that there's a piece of paper saying they can CGI his face onto some Fake Shemp and keep making these movies for another 100 years. I, personally, would find that disgusting.

But some people would think it was a fantastic thing to do. And that's ultimately what I'm railing against here.

I mean hey, Free Market Economy, Supply & Demand and all that. It's just at the same time people should know better at some point than to keep begging for things that are not good for them. I feel like if a person wants to revisit something they loved as kids, they can just buy an action figure.

[Sumac]

But some people would think it was a fantastic thing to do. And that's ultimately what I'm railing against here.
So what? Some people always demand more stuff from a popular series, even by all logical accounts it should have been over.
Its not them who make those decisions.

Take your issue with suits, instead of random nobodies.

[IMJ]

If there were no demand from arrested-development 40-somethings, then Harrison Ford could have had a peaceful retirement and we wouldn't have Crystal Skull

Dude your f'n fandom got us SJW He-Man and Pixar MOTU. :lol:

BODYSLAMMED by IMJ! :D:P

[Leo656]

Dude your f'n fandom got us SJW He-Man and Pixar MOTU. :lol:

BODYSLAMMED by IMJ! :D:P

And in return we get bazillions of new action figures vehicles, playsets and even high-end collectibles like thousand-dollar statues, making MOTU one of the hottest global retail toy brands of the last two years after nearly three decades of dormancy. Why complain? :trazz: After all, it's ultimately a toy franchise, NOT a cartoon and multimedia franchise.

I think the "Fortnite He-Man" cartoon is dreck but I simply don't pay attention to it or buy the toys. It's enough that its existence helps facilitate the production of other, much better MOTU toys. Circle of Life, an' all that. The shows can be whatever, nobody will remember them in five years anyway. As long as we get more toys in retail space - the entire point of the brand in the first place - then everything else is either a means to an end or a "necessary evil".

[Leo656]

So what? Some people always demand more stuff from a popular series, even by all logical accounts it should have been over.
Its not them who make those decisions.

Take your issue with suits, instead of random nobodies.

I do, I hold everyone involved "guilty" to some degree.

Look, I just find it a little bit vulgar that "thanks to fan demand" we have an actor who's got one-and-a-half feet in the grave trying to squeeze one last gasp out of his "action movie star" role that he otherwise knew enough to stop putting himself through two whole decades ago when he pretty much stopped making action movies entirely, and furthermore, that companies are going to be Deepfaking his face onto stunt doubles 100 years after he's dead. All because some people can't gracefully let go of the past.

People don't have to agree, but I find their disagreement questionable. "Yeah, whoooo, just hang him by his shoulders long enough so we can get a close-up! Stick his face on someone else! Whatever, just keep making these goddamn movies!" How anyone can think that's not absolutely nuts is beyond me. It's what Jack Larson referred to as "a sick case of necrophilia", when TV producers wanted to find a way to keep "Adventures of Superman" going after George Reeves died. Conventional thinking back then was, when something was done, it was Done. After that, we left it alone and people did other, different things. Now, nothing ever "ends" because people are afraid of endings, because letting go of things from their childhood means they're a lot closer to death than they want to admit and it freaks them out.

It's like Terminator. I'll still be watching the first two movies when I'm 100. Do I ever want anyone to make another Terminator movie ever again, though? Absolutely not. And I feel that way about Indiana Jones, at this point. Will this one be good, or decent, or at least not-terrible? Possibly. Is it a GOOD idea? Hah. Hah HAH. No.

But you're right, it's a bit of a snake eating its own tail. Creatively bankrupt suits create the content. BUT, nostalgic fanboys who haven't felt sincere joy since their parents got divorced when they were 8 will aid and abet them by forever paying money for anything that gives them a nostalgia buzz, and that's not a good thing either. People, in general, could do well to be more discerning.

[IMJ]

All I know is that this is probably Gen X's last real forray into Indiana Jones. After this, the best we can hope for is an amazing animated series (ever see this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iE8v5WDbbC4)? It's amazing...) which to be honest I would be totally down for.

Chris Pratt says Harrison Ford scared him off the role if that was ever a possibility and given Ford's words on the matter, I can't see Disney relaunching Indy as a franchise for a very. Long. Time. Probably ten years after whenever Ford dies.

So this movie better satisfy. Mangold is a great director and Logan and Ford vs Ferrari were great movies, but he has a habit of killing off his characters and I just don't know how this movie could actually end on a satisfying note.

[Leo656]

I wouldn't have a significant issue with a good animated series. Still plenty of "untold adventures" of Indy that could be explored without exploiting a senior citizen who probably just wants to sit around watching Matlock until it's time to take a nap. How ridiculous do you think he feels at his age, running around in a leather jacket and fedora? "Significantly", would be my guess.

But yeah, if they have to keep the "franchise" going, a cartoon wouldn't be unacceptable. Or a comic, or a video game, whatever. I just think there was no strong reason to do more movies after the third one (for any reason except Greed) and I definitely don't want to see the movies continue without Ford.

But other stuff? Sure, that's fine, that happens with everything. But I think Ford and the movie arm of the brand should have been left alone after the third one. There simply isn't any way to even top "Last Crusade" as and endpoint for the movies, so why try? Even if the new one is really good, what are the odds it would be BETTER than "Last Crusade"? And if it's NOT better, why bother? Toy Story 4 kind of proved conclusively what happens when you stay too long at the dance. Which, I'll remind everyone of, I said years in advance was inevitably going to be a miserable mistake, and in turn actually was way worse than anyone could have expected.

So yeah, I strongly feel the movies needed to stop in '89 but I've never had a problem with ancillary media carrying things on and filling in the gaps. For one thing, standards for ancillary media tend to be lower, so if a cartoon or comic book or video game isn't terrific, it's not a big deal. As we saw with "Crystal Skull", though, when a movie under-performs it can do serious, significant damage thanks to how seriously people take movies and hyperbolize over their quality.

[Andrew NDB]

How ridiculous do you think he feels at his age, running around in a leather jacket and fedora? "Significantly", would be my guess.

You guys are forgetting the #1 person who wants Harrison Ford to continue playing Indiana Jones with new movies, regardless of age: Harrison Ford. Indiana Jones 5 (as in that there would be one and he would reprise Indiana Jones) was baked into the cake with his "The Force Awakens" deal with Disney. As in, sure I'll do this thing I don't really want to do as long you make this other thing that I really do want to do and I'm still the guy.

This has 0 to do with any fans or fanboys or anything. It has been Harrison Ford himself cheerleading this all along.

[Leo656]

Then he definitely needs a nap before he Ric Flair's himself. :lol:

I mean I'm all for people doing what they wanna do for as long as they wanna do it, but at some point it unavoidably becomes very pointedly sad on its face, is all.

Like I've been saying for 20 years, "If Ric Flair wants to wrestle until he's 100, or literally drop dead in the ring, that's entirely his business." And part of me does sincerely feel that way, still. To a point.

Then a couple weeks ago he had yet another "farewell match" and it was pathetic and sad and now I'm forced to admit that yeah, at some point we need someone of sound mind in the room to tell these people to sit down and go play quietly before they break a hip, or worse.

Or like I strongly supported Stallone during the "Rocky Balboa" run-up; I supported the idea when others said it was "too late" and "pointless" and "Rocky V already killed the franchise for good" and all that, and I still think it's a fantastic movie and was well worth making. And that was true Then. I don't especially need any more Rocky movies going forward, though, either, huge fan of the character or no. It's all been said and it's all been done, at this point any push to do more is for entirely shallow reasons. We already had the "If you're viable you can keep doing whatever you want for as long as you can" Rocky movie; the message was sent, anything he does with it Now is just trying to milk the cow. Time to move on and walk away for good. With dignity.

At the end of the day, "Want To", "Can", and "Should" are all VERY different things. And a responsible person of any age realizes when "Should" or "Should Not" supersedes "Want" and "Can".

[oldmanwinters]

Hasn't tested well enough for Disney to settle on the ending...
https://insidethemagic.net/2022/11/disney-panic-after-indiana-jones-5-flops-ab1/?fbclid=IwAR2SvvaitJxTPdSA5IxrNbPko_xrR13ezJUvz-v3sckQIxz1V7Ly5awIuek

[Andrew NDB]

Hasn't tested well enough for Disney to settle on the ending...
https://insidethemagic.net/2022/11/disney-panic-after-indiana-jones-5-flops-ab1/?fbclid=IwAR2SvvaitJxTPdSA5IxrNbPko_xrR13ezJUvz-v3sckQIxz1V7Ly5awIuek

Fake news. There's never been any test screenings.

https://screenrant.com/indiana-jones-5-test-screening-reaction-rumor-mangold/

[oldmanwinters]

Of course, the director WOULD deny it, but...

I'll take Mangold at his word. Probably better him than Spielberg after the way Crystal Skull played out.

[Sumac]

As if making another movie with 80 old Indy, after Crustal Flop was a great idea.

[Coola Yagami]

Just end it with Crystal Skull. No one asked for another Indy movie.

[Andrew NDB]

Just end it with Crystal Skull. No one asked for another Indy movie.

Harrison Ford sure did.

[Vegita-San]

Fake news. There's never been any test screenings.

https://screenrant.com/indiana-jones-5-test-screening-reaction-rumor-mangold/

Absolute Bull Dinky. Mangold is either going to get caught with his pants down (disney employees tend to not be that bright), or they changed it AFTER the screenings at the demand of chapek.

Screenings absolutely happened. and with Disney's track record, I gar-un-tee that they all sucked.

[IMJ]

The rumors are entirely believable, but it's pretty hardcore for Mangold to come out and state, literally without smokescreening that "there haven't been any screenings".

All I know is that if any of it turns out to be true when the movie launches, Mangold aint gonna live that one down.

[Andrew NDB]

Seems like a thing pretty easily debunked if there really was screenings. You know, by all the hundreds of people who would have gone to them. Pretty sure the NDAs would just say you can't talk about the movie, not that you have to say you never attended the screening at all.

[IMJ]

Seems like a thing pretty easily debunked if there really was screenings. You know, by all the hundreds of people who would have gone to them. Pretty sure the NDAs would just say you can't talk about the movie, not that you have to say you never attended the screening at all.

I don't think there were true "test screenings", but couldn't there have been internal screenings to some employees who leaked the info?

[Andrew NDB]

Seems like maybe no time travel and the de-aged Indy will just be for basically the opening prologue.

https://deadline.com/2022/11/indiana-jones-director-james-mangold-harrison-ford-de-aged-look-like-original-trilogy-1235179699/

[ZariusTwo]

Phoebe Waller Bridge is playing Indy's god daughter Helena

https://www.empireonline.com/movies/news/phoebe-waller-bridge-indiana-jones-goddaughter-helena-exclusive/

[IMJ]

Seems like maybe no time travel and the de-aged Indy will just be for basically the opening prologue.

https://deadline.com/2022/11/indiana-jones-director-james-mangold-harrison-ford-de-aged-look-like-original-trilogy-1235179699/

Maybe the "Roman army" scenes are more like Ford crashes in a plane in the middle of a war re-enactment or something?

[Andrew NDB]

Maybe the "Roman army" scenes are more like Ford crashes in a plane in the middle of a war re-enactment or something?

Yeah, could be. If those rumors are even true at all.

Also, seeing some scuttlebutt that the title might be "Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny." Not sure, though.

[TigerClaw]

Seems like maybe no time travel and the de-aged Indy will just be for basically the opening prologue.

https://deadline.com/2022/11/indiana-jones-director-james-mangold-harrison-ford-de-aged-look-like-original-trilogy-1235179699/
So basically it will be like the opening of The Last Crusade, When we saw a young Indiana Jones.

[Autbot_Benz]

ZfVYgWYaHmE

[IMJ]

Never been more excited yet more terrified for a movie in my life.

[Xav]

I wonder why they made Helena Indy's goddaughter instead of just his daughter? It's not like it would be hard to believe Indy had another child we didn't see before.

[TigerClaw]

I wonder why they made Helena Indy's goddaughter instead of just his daughter? It's not like it would be hard to believe Indy had another child we didn't see before.
Didn't he married Marion in the end of the last movie? So what happened to that relationship since, I hope they address it.

[oldmanwinters]

Didn't he married Marion in the end of the last movie? So what happened to that relationship since, I hope they address it.

Probably died off screen in between films?
That’s a more convenient explanation than divorce.

[IMJ]

I'm sure there will be some dialog nod to Marion and Mutt much the same way that KOTCS resolved it with Marcus & Henry Sr.

[Andrew NDB]

Cameo for Marion, mention or two for Mutt. That's my thinking.

I wonder why they made Helena Indy's goddaughter instead of just his daughter? It's not like it would be hard to believe Indy had another child we didn't see before.

I'm not sure we can completely rule out her turning out to be another secret kid of Indy's.

[Andrew NDB]

So we will "find out what happened to him." About Mutt.

https://comicbookmovie.com/action/indiana_jones/indiana-jones-the-dial-of-destiny-will-reveal-the-fate-of-shia-labeoufs-mutt-williams-a198467?fbclid=IwAR1nWmDh1JeUhht9wW5bcs-r5tCu4LLUYrjJeScrnhhYn1cr6I_qXg9OjHs#gs.a49c.llp22 g

[Andrew NDB]

Superbowl trailer:

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[Autbot_Benz]

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[IMJ]

Just praying for a gratifying movie and a gratifying ending, knowing now that it has to end. Indiana Jones is a permanent fixture as a corner of my collection. I love the character - always have even as a 4 year old running around the front yard with a piece of string as a whip after ROTLA. I remember staring at the movie poster on the wall of a mall theater as a kid - I was captivated by it. Captivated.

[Sumac]

Outside of cringe joke about Capitalism, it doesn't look half bad.

[Andrew NDB]

I'm not expecting like a Hard Ending, but I will be more than satisfied with just a solid new Indy movie. I wish it was Spielberg for one last go (and really, West Side Story and Fabelmans over this?), but what can you do.

[IMJ]

I'm not expecting like a Hard Ending, but I will be more than satisfied with just a solid new Indy movie. I wish it was Spielberg for one last go (and really, West Side Story and Fabelmans over this?), but what can you do.

There is an interview somewhere where Spielberg is adamantly telling a crowd - almost as if just to get the cheers - "I will never use CGI to de-age Harrison Ford!". The crowd cheers and he looks pleased by his virtue.

Then this script comes along, the studio probably wants a few de-aged scenes and now Spielberg is caught between a rock and a hard place. I'd guess that had something to do with it, although whether or not that means that he would be too embarrassed to have to face that should he do the de-aging or if he took some moralistic foothold to not do it because of that I don't know.

Because the real truth is that there is no way that Spielberg would choose other projects over another Harrison Ford flick after 40 years with one of cinemas most iconic characters.

[Andrew NDB]

https://i.ibb.co/fktFPGF/347620167-101377336306324-2241091825269097303-n.jpg

Oh no...

[Sumac]

https://i.ibb.co/fktFPGF/347620167-101377336306324-2241091825269097303-n.jpg

Oh no...
Retardness.
Comparing Indi to Nazis, because, he was "stealing" from long abandoned temples of dead civilizations...
This ****ing commie freaks at Hollywood should just go on a rocket and fly to a place not "corrupted" by Capitalism - sun.

[ZariusTwo]

At time of writing, it's at 50% on RT

[oldmanwinters]

BBC suggests no fan of the franchise should want to see this:
https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20230519-indiana-jones-and-the-dial-of-destiny-review-gloomy-and-depressing-final-act

Or at least leave before the last half hour!



The good news is that it isn't a disaster. It's a respectable, competent addition to the series. The bad news is that a disaster might have been more worthwhile. The Dial of Destiny takes a sudden, bold and sure-to-be divisive swerve into wacky uncharted territory in its last half-hour, but otherwise it's like fan fiction, a tie-in video game, or a branded theme-park ride, in that it's content to tick off everything you've seen in other Indiana Jones films already, but with little of Spielberg's sparkle.

. . .

Like another of Ford's so-called "legacy sequels", Star Wars: The Force Awakens, this one brings back old characters (John Rhys-Davies's Sallah has a pointless cameo), introduces new ones who are strangely similar to the old characters (Ethann Isidore plays a substandard copy of Short Round from Temple of Doom), and has the air of a film passing the torch (or whip) to the next generation. But it does all this in an even gloomier fashion than The Force Awakens did. I'm not sure how many fans want to see Indiana Jones as a broken, helpless old man who cowers in the corner while his patronising goddaughter takes the lead, but that's what we're given, and it's as bleak as it sounds.

[Coola Yagami]

https://i.ibb.co/fktFPGF/347620167-101377336306324-2241091825269097303-n.jpg

Oh no...

Also this type of dialogue and woke 'offended on the behalf of others' type of 'humor' didn't exist back then. Whenever year this movie is supposed to take place, especially since Indy was alive during the Nazi era, no one cared about that sort of this back then.

[Xav]

BBC suggests no fan of the franchise should want to see this:
https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20230519-indiana-jones-and-the-dial-of-destiny-review-gloomy-and-depressing-final-act

Or at least leave before the last half hour!



The good news is that it isn't a disaster. It's a respectable, competent addition to the series. The bad news is that a disaster might have been more worthwhile. The Dial of Destiny takes a sudden, bold and sure-to-be divisive swerve into wacky uncharted territory in its last half-hour, but otherwise it's like fan fiction, a tie-in video game, or a branded theme-park ride, in that it's content to tick off everything you've seen in other Indiana Jones films already, but with little of Spielberg's sparkle.

. . .

Like another of Ford's so-called "legacy sequels", Star Wars: The Force Awakens, this one brings back old characters (John Rhys-Davies's Sallah has a pointless cameo), introduces new ones who are strangely similar to the old characters (Ethann Isidore plays a substandard copy of Short Round from Temple of Doom), and has the air of a film passing the torch (or whip) to the next generation. But it does all this in an even gloomier fashion than The Force Awakens did. I'm not sure how many fans want to see Indiana Jones as a broken, helpless old man who cowers in the corner while his patronising goddaughter takes the lead, but that's what we're given, and it's as bleak as it sounds.

So the passing of the torch is "gloomier" than Force Awakens? Which made Han Solo a deadbeat dad who gets murdered by his own son? Seriously what is with Lucasfilm making all their legacy characters depressed losers?

[Andrew NDB]

So have we heard what the in-story "explanation" for Mutt's absence is, or what he's up to?

[ZariusTwo]

So have we heard what the in-story "explanation" for Mutt's absence is, or what he's up to?

From the spoiler summary I glimpsed on Reddit (the source was a supposed Cannes attendee)

Mutt was killed in Vietnam and it hit Indy hard and his marriage fell apart. They seemed to learn their lesson from Force Awakens though, as Indy survives and reunites with Marion at the end of the film

[Andrew NDB]

Jesus... what is it with Disney not wanting any OG characters having any kids, or kids that survive?

[Sumac]

So those rumors were true after all?
I mean, I disliked his character, but killing him.

Also, patronizing granddaughter - gee, what an amazing choice of a character. Woke freaks still can't get through their thick skulls, that this type of propaganda will just push people away from them, as no-one likes obnoxious piece of **** who attacks everything you do.

[Coola Yagami]

So those rumors were true after all?
I mean, I disliked his character, but killing him.

Also, patronizing granddaughter - gee, what an amazing choice of a character. Woke freaks still can't get through their thick skulls, that this type of propaganda will just push people away from them, as no-one likes obnoxious piece of **** who attacks everything you do.

Not to mention back then a kid woulda been smacked into next week for speaking to their elders that way.

[ProphetofGanja]

Epic Fail smh

[Andrew NDB]

This really smacks of "advice" from Kathleen Kennedy.

[Barkworm]

The film looks terrible of course but honestly, what‘s the problem with that picture Andrew posted? It‘s not even a ‘Nazi comparison‘, it‘s just pseudo-witty banter.

[Sumac]

The film looks terrible of course but honestly, what‘s the problem with that picture Andrew posted? It‘s not even a ‘Nazi comparison‘, it‘s just pseudo-witty banter.
Its dumb, because, its directly compares Indy to Nazis, which is a **** take.

[frank_one]

There's no comparison between Indy and the nazis in that dialogue, you guys are reading stuff you want to read but that it is not there. Helena says that Indy has done good things (fighting nazis) and bad things as well (stealig stuff from indigenous people). She's not comparing him or his action to what nazis did. It's everything in your mind.

[IMJ]

There's no comparison between Indy and the nazis in that dialogue, you guys are reading stuff you want to read but that it is not there. Helena says that Indy has done good things (fighting nazis) and bad things as well (stealig stuff from indigenous people). She's not comparing him or his action to what nazis did. It's everything in your mind.

There have been other lines of dialog in Indy flicks that insinuate that he is viewed across the profession as both an archeologist and a grave robber. It is also implied that he is a bit of scoundrel in TOD as well. And so, in that spirit I don't think the line of dialog is anything more than we've seen the "puritan characters" in the Indy world deliver in the past.

But with that said, given the current social environment, I can see why people are absolutely hesitant.

[Sumac]

There's no comparison between Indy and the nazis in that dialogue, you guys are reading stuff you want to read but that it is not there. Helena says that Indy has done good things (fighting nazis) and bad things as well (stealig stuff from indigenous people). She's not comparing him or his action to what nazis did. It's everything in your mind.
Its hard to interpret that line other way, really:
- I fought Nazis.
- But you did bad things too!

As Andrew said, in current climate (and even without it) it is hard to see this line as "witty banter". Given that Indy saved quite a lot of people few times such comparison is disrespectful and dumb. And I have a feeling no-one will call out her character for being an insufferable idiot.

[Barkworm]

Its hard to interpret that line other way, really:
- I fought Nazis.
- But you did bad things too!

What's to interpret here? It's just "Don't get too full of yourself, you're no angel." And he never was, that's why Indiana Jones is a great character.

[biganimefan]

I don't see myself going to see this in theaters (assuming I see it at all). I guess the only movie I'll likely be seeing in theaters this year is TMNT.

[Vegita-San]

Its hard to interpret that line other way, really:
- I fought Nazis.
- But you did bad things too!

As Andrew said, in current climate (and even without it) it is hard to see this line as "witty banter". Given that Indy saved quite a lot of people few times such comparison is disrespectful and dumb. And I have a feeling no-one will call out her character for being an insufferable idiot.

yep. if a person can't figure out why tearing down our classic heroe's is bad too prop up new ones, I can't help you.

It's like April ONeil being a ninja student and telling leonardo 'you suck, too!'. disrespectful at the least, patronizing at the worst.

[Coola Yagami]

What's to interpret here? It's just "Don't get too full of yourself, you're no angel." And he never was, that's why Indiana Jones is a great character.

It's typical 'woman always better than a man, cause even if a man mostly does good things, he still need to be knocked down a peg or two cause reasons' nonsense.

[Barkworm]

Eh. You guys are overthinking this.

[Andrew NDB]

Eh. You guys are overthinking this.

I sincerely hope so.

[IMJ]

Just bought the tickets to tonight's show for this one. I have seen and remember seeing every Indiana Jones movie in the theater since I was a kid. I hope this movie is great. I really want this movie to be great....

My best guess? The first 30 minutes with young Indy will be worth the price of the whole movie. I can't help but get excited about Indiana Jones - I'm a huge Indiana Jones fan....

https://i.imgur.com/aaFvRxol.jpg

I write about some of that experience as a kid in the introduction here (https://wave1collectibles.com/blogs/w1c-market-watch-hot-comics-cards-toys/indiana-jones-and-the-dial-of-destiny-hasbro-toy-release-roundup) too.

[Barkworm]

Just bought the tickets to tonight's show for this one. I have seen and remember seeing every Indiana Jones movie in the theater since I was a kid. I hope this movie is great. I really want this movie to be great....

My best guess? The first 30 minutes with young Indy will be worth the price of the whole movie. I can't help but get excited about Indiana Jones - I'm a huge Indiana Jones fan....

https://i.imgur.com/aaFvRxol.jpg

I write about some of that experience as a kid in the introduction here (https://wave1collectibles.com/blogs/w1c-market-watch-hot-comics-cards-toys/indiana-jones-and-the-dial-of-destiny-hasbro-toy-release-roundup) too.
Ah, nostalgia in combination with the excitement for something new is such a wonderful feeling - if you don‘t get disappointed. I sincerely wish you a fantastic experience.

[Andrew NDB]

I'm not seeing a big consensus on social media. Half the people are saying, "Well, it's at least a little better than Crystal Skull" and the other half are saying, "Crystal Skull was a better ending than this, at least." With almost all of both sides pointing to Phoebe Waller-Bridge as the root cause of the movie's problems, largely in emasculating and undermining Indy or otherwise just eating up time that would be better spent on Indy alone.

[Bahamut810]

What's to interpret here? It's just "Don't get too full of yourself, you're no angel." And he never was, that's why Indiana Jones is a great character.

looking at this and thinking it out is why people find these new characters so unlikable.

"I fought the Nazi's!" and saved an untold number of lives has he stopped them from weaponizing massive ancient mystical weapons.

"You stole from indigenous people!" from places long since abandoned or from murderous cults to preserve their historical value. I don't recall him ever trying to steal from a group of people actively using these items for worship except for after they tried to kill him. Whenever he took something, "it belongs in a museum". You could make that argument that it belongs in a museum in the country it was taken from...but his treasure was another long gone societies trash.

Her context is stupid.

[IMJ]

Ah, nostalgia in combination with the excitement for something new is such a wonderful feeling - if you don‘t get disappointed. I sincerely wish you a fantastic experience.

Yeeeesssss man. Exactly. Legit, honest fandom. Well said and thanks.

both sides pointing to Phoebe Waller-Bridge as the root cause of the movie's problems, largely in emasculating and undermining Indy or otherwise just eating up time that would be better spent on Indy alone.

It's not entirely as bad as the YouTubers have framed it. Actually a lot of it is simply embedded in her character and it's not quite the assault on the main hero that they would have you believe. Indy acquits himself from her nonsense and often rises to the top. The scenes were she helps him aren't so outside the realm of past movies and when it is it's more like Blade Runner 2049 moments and that Indy is literally an old-@$$ man. However, the movie is a story-mess, and it's so long that there is almost no clear line between the first, second and final acts of the movie - you often actually don't know where you are with it.

And they dropped the ball in the end. Badly. Very badly. Here is the thing - Indy is played as a man out of time in this movie and in many ways it fits, given 1969. But they had a real chance here for the character's journey to be "the man out of time" who develops and eventually shows that he still has relevance and wisdom at the end. But they don't. They simply go the "crushed old man" route. And it's bad.

You're going to get two complainers of this movie - the people who are so distraught with Disney that they will pile on and strawman the movie. The second are the more intellectual complaints. There is no reason to go the first route when the second is so clear.

The prologue is awesome. The CGi isn't nearly as good as Ford has said it is in interviews, but it is the best de-aging that we've had on screen. But there are definitely a few ragdoll moments, punctuated by others that honestly look like they filmed Indy 30 years ago. I think people often confuse "the best" with "perfect" and unfortunately the current "best" is really good but not even remotely without CGi ragdolling. But the end of the movie? Bad, bad ball drop. The epilogue is good to an extent, but I'm not talking about the epilogue. The end of the movie is literally seeing our great hero a simpering old man presented with a very hollow argument about how he is "needed" but it's very empty and there are no connections to the story with it. And the final action that "brings him back?" OMG.

[Roseangelo]

Tentative plans to see this on Tuesday.

[IMJ]

Tentative plans to see this on Tuesday.

I went to an early screening last night. These things used to be called "midnight screenings", but nowadays when a movie opens on a Friday you get like 5 screens showing it on Thursday starting at 3 pm. Back in the day every movie like this one had almost sold out screenings of all of the Thursday showtimes. Last night? There were 6 people in the theater - two of us and a family of four.

Indiana Jones is one of my deepest fandoms and heroes - literally a life long thing. I want these to be a success, but.... eh.... I don't know if anyone should pay to see this movie.

Curious to see what you think of it.

[Andrew NDB]

I'm interested to see how it will do. If it fails, unfortunately I think the wrong lessons will be immediately learned from it.

[IMJ]

I'm interested to see how it will do. If it fails, unfortunately I think the wrong lessons will be immediately learned from it.

And Harrison Ford has been doing his press tour so staunchly and so proudly of the movie, but I can't wrap my head around how even he seems to be disregarding the complete lack of narrative journey of the character here.

He starts the movie literally as a depressed old man who can't identify with the era he is in. And he ends the movie in utter defeat of his place in life where even the epilogue itself resolves nothing. It's a nice enough sunset to be with his wife; but against a backdrop of depressing city living for a tenured college professor, amidst depressing circumstances, and basically just two people deciding to be depressed together.

It's not a golden send off - it's a narrative disaster. And the utter failure in how the events are resolved that bring Indy to the epilog are like... "what?!?"

[Andrew NDB]

And Harrison Ford has been doing his press tour so staunchly and so proudly of the movie, but I can't wrap my head around how even he seems to be disregarding the complete lack of narrative journey of the character here.

It's the same thing as Patrick Stewart making the rounds saying how proud he is of Picard season 1 and 2, and how it's such powerful stuff and Brexit and Trump so sorely needed to be brought to the forefront in it and so on. They're dumb actors.

[Coola Yagami]

It's the same thing as Patrick Stewart making the rounds saying how proud he is of Picard season 1 and 2, and how it's such powerful stuff and Brexit and Trump so sorely needed to be brought to the forefront in it and so on. They're dumb actors.

Sad how Trump literally broke everyone in 2016. If you hate the guy, fine, but keep him out of media. No references or in-jokes or 'Trump-ish' stand-ins. Just stop. I remember a time where they said they wouldn't parody or insult him because he's such a clown he's doing a good job of insulting himself all on his own... and yet they still couldn't help themselves.

It's like on one side you got the MAGA wackos that see him as The Second Coming, but on the other side you got the other type of wacko, the type that needs to constantly remind everyone around them (as well as themselves) that they hate Trump for reasons they probably don't even know anymore.

We get it. You hate or love the guy. Move the **** one. Especially the nutjobs working in the media.

[IMJ]

Make no mistake - the leftist litmus test is intentionally in this movie. But thankfully the litmus test elements are organic to "Indiana Jones" as a character, but in this movie they emphasize it a bit to appease the liberal-nuts.

For example, Indy hate's Nazi's and he helps immigrants come to the country (he helps Sallah and his family become U.S. citizens). Of course, these things are normal components to Indiana Jones, but they really make sure they put it out there. So there are two truths - it's organic and not problematic at all but it's presented as a series of overt, overt virtue-signals so that even the most obtuse complainer can't miss it.

And that mental algebra for the peasant thinker is - Indiana Jones is of the old "boomer guard" but he clearly hates Nazi's and his Arabic friend is an immigrant because of Indy so Indy isn't an "evil Boomer". So Indy gets a "social pass".

Of course nuance is important and I don't object to these things, but I also sensed them there in the movie under repetition and obtuse force so as not to be missed.

[Andrew NDB]

Saw "Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny." I was really concerned about this one but I think it turned out OK. Most of the things I was worried about going in ended up not bothering me as much as I thought they would, and the big payoff at the end made me forgive a lot of other little things. The only thing I didn't dig or agree with at all was killing off Mutt. It's just completely unnecessary and is used just for cheap tear-jerking dialogue. And Boyd Holbrook's character definitely has his whole character subplot cut out of the movie, for sure. They kept teasing that he was somehow different than the others in the group, and not a nazi, but then it goes nowhere. Also, didn't really care for the kid who learns to fly an airplane in 3 minutes. If they wanted to add a Short Round-like character into the mix so bad (and I don't think his character was needed at all, it was enough with god daughter taking up a lot of the breathing room), why not just bring back Short Round? That would have been great.

Also... so Archimedes DID account for continental shift? Since it turns out his plan was always to bring someone to him from the future? How would he have done that?

[TheCanadiandrome]

Tentative plans to see this on Tuesday.

Tentative plans to see this Monday with a friend! Let's hope we both enjoy it :D

[IMJ]

Saw "Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny." I was really concerned about this one but I think it turned out OK. Most of the things I was worried about going in ended up not bothering me as much as I thought they would, and the big payoff at the end made me forgive a lot of other little things. The only thing I didn't dig or agree with at all was killing off Mutt. It's just completely unnecessary and is used just for cheap tear-jerking dialogue. And Boyd Holbrook's character definitely has his whole character subplot cut out of the movie, for sure. They kept teasing that he was somehow different than the others in the group, and not a nazi, but then it goes nowhere. Also, didn't really care for the kid who learns to fly an airplane in 3 minutes. If they wanted to add a Short Round-like character into the mix so bad (and I don't think his character was needed at all, it was enough with god daughter taking up a lot of the breathing room), why not just bring back Short Round? That would have been great.

Also... so Archimedes DID account for continental shift? Since it turns out his plan was always to bring someone to him from the future? How would he have done that?

There was the dialog where she explains to Indy in the cave how she got together with the kid. It was, obnoxiously, the exact same story as how Shorty wound up with Indy, but Indy says nothing - no mention of Short Round. Only - "I thought all you were interested in was money".

[Barkworm]

Given the gargantuan budget the film had (close to 300 million) the early tracking for the weekend and the Friday estimates (basically the same as The Flash) look like this is going to be the next big boxoffice bomb. What a sad way to go for this franchise.

[IMJ]

It's completely sad, man.

And you know that the studio isn't going to acknowledge their missteps. The strange "Kathleen Kennedy-style psychology" that crept into the movie. Or the strange editing. Or the lack of character journey for Indy. Or how about the odd moments where the "Indiana Jones Hero Theme" starts to play during moments that result in nothing happening (that was weird).

Instead they will say that "we tried our best but clearly Indiana Jones is a thing that has come and gone without younger people embracing it".

[Sumac]

"Kathleen Kennedy-style psychology"
At this point its obvious KK suffers from enormous inferiority complex. Which is probably given, since she was in shadow of such giants as Spielberg and Lucas, but still. She tries to prove her self-worth and have her revenge by getting her self-inserts in the movies, where they don't belong and those movies end up in ****, which I guess don't enhance her self-worth.

Her movies are trash, but her story makes her one heck of tragic villain. :lol:

Sad how Trump literally broke everyone in 2016.
I find it hilarious. Despite media and corporations at large still spouting their propaganda leftards act like it was the end of the world for them. It almost like they incapable of admitting or analyzing their defeats, without resorting to typical loser talk "it was evil Russia conspiracy / it was hidden Nazis in CIA / everyone is US are bigot" and so on. They are childish freaky losers.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

The movie was okay, the first half-hour was amazing buuuut.....

Look, I don't like believing conspiracy theories, like the one about the reshoots and the original ending where she replaces Indy in the past. But... everything after the punch felt like a bolted-on reshoot, a last minute tacked-on happy ending to save their butts when the original cut wasn't well received by test audiences. Like IMJ said, Indy had no arc, and the ending felt very tacked on. I'm not so sure the conspiracy ending is a conspiracy anymore.

[ZariusTwo]

I don't know why people are surprised this isn't doing big numbers, Indiana Jones is barely a franchise. It had 3 movies in the 80s and disappeared. If it had been that big it would've had movies in the 90s and people wouldn't have forgotten about the IP.

Indiana had the "Young Jones" series in the 90s, (Lucas had the prequel bug way before Phantom Menace), and there were a lot of video games and tie-in comics that decade also, there was always talk of a fourth Indy movie in development at the time but for one reason or another Harrison just wasn't available or something else happened.

[Andrew NDB]

Indiana had the "Young Jones" series in the 90s, (Lucas had the prequel bug way before Phantom Menace), and there were a lot of video games and tie-in comics that decade also, there was always talk of a fourth Indy movie in development at the time but for one reason or another Harrison just wasn't available or something else happened.

Ford was ALWAYS down for more Indiana Jones, so it had to have been a Lucas thing. George Lucas wrote exactly the number of Indiana Jones movies he wanted to prior to the Disney sale and there would never and couldn't have been one without him, as Spielburg wouldn't have done it without him.

[CyberCubed]

I don't know, even back in 2008 the Indiana Jones franchise felt "ancient" to me and I was surprised they were bringing it back. Ironically enough that was 15 years ago now.

[Autbot_Benz]

I was reading what some people were saying about how Indy is in this movie and I see the KK curse continues.

https://i.imgur.com/1ZIVJYS.jpg

[Andrew NDB]

I was reading what some people were saying about how Indy is in this movie and I see the KK curse continues.

https://i.imgur.com/1ZIVJYS.jpg

Her fingers were definitely all over this movie. You can tell.

[Dpooly84]

If they would have made a 80 year old Indy and Mutt movie it would have snapped! But kk gonna kk ask Luke lol

[Sumac]

I admit I haven't watched the movie yet, and don't plan to do it in cinema anyway, but from the outside it looks like another dumb**** deconstruction - turning successful and adventurous man into a shadow of his former self, outshined by an AMAZING female character.

KK certainly a petty bitch.
It takes some unprecentend level of pettiness to aim to supplant legacy of your predecessor with your ****.

[ssjup81]

As an Indiana Jones fan, finding out what Kennedy did in regard to this film, it makes my head hurt more than the fall I took last week that's keeping me out from work this week. Geez. Why do they keep letting this woman work on these franchises?! Say what you will about the last Indy film that didn't need to be made and should have been done in the 90s (I know it was planned...but we got that Young Indy show conceptualization), but it had its moments and the ending was actually nice. I know I hate to judge things without seeing it for myself, but there's a track record here. What's up with her obsession with washed up old men feeling sorry for themselves and having Girl Power protagonist jump in? By the sounds of it, there's nothing even remotely Indy about Indy for this film and of course, CGI galore. Screw those practical effects. :roll:

You know, I forgot who said it, but it feels like a self-insert fanfiction Kathleen wrote. Oh well...

In my mind, the only Indiana Jones is the original trilogy which had a good wrapped up ending. I mean, they LITERALLY rode off into the sunset together! Want to watch in order, 2, 1, 3. That's how I feel about it anyway. I'm in the mood to watch the original trilogy now. Movie 3 was always my favorite of them.

[biganimefan]

I decided to see this movie after all. Especially once the real deal breaker "spoiler" from months ago was confirmed not to be a thing. My ranking of the movies (worst to best)

Kingdom of the Crystal Skull
Temple of Doom
Dial of Destiny
Raiders of the Lost Ark
The Last Crusade

This did feel like an Indiana Jones movie to me. And the Time Travel aspect was handled far better than the alien one from the previous movie. "Indy" did feel like himself and he did feel his age weighed down with grief. The goddaughter and her companion both were insufferable and badly written. As far as "woke-ness" is concerned, those characters don't get any points in either direction. Again, badly written and nothing to like about them.

And I completely understand and respect Indy's desire to stay in the past. History and Archeology are his lifelong passions in every sense.

[Andrew NDB]

I admit I haven't watched the movie yet, and don't plan to do it in cinema anyway, but from the outside it looks like another dumb**** deconstruction - turning successful and adventurous man into a shadow of his former self, outshined by an AMAZING female character.

KK certainly a petty bitch.
It takes some unprecentend level of pettiness to aim to supplant legacy of your predecessor with your ****.

It's too bad Spielberg wasn't around for this one. He probably would have been able to shield the movie from KK's influence, at least.

[Andrew NDB]

Spielberg definitely has enough clout to do as he pleases, but wasn't that the reason they got rid of him?

He was never "gotten rid of." He walked away quietly between the many stories over the years of new scripts being worked on. Whether that's because of his vow to not CGI de-age Ford, a scheduling thing, or because of KK's agenda, we'll never know.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

This movie...this movie is tanking on a level even I didn't think was possible. Things or going to happen as a result of this- BIG things. We'll just have to wait and see how bad it gets for lucasfilm.

[TheCanadiandrome]

I saw it last night and I enjoyed it better than “Kingdom Crystal Skull” or whatever it was called. Granted there was some plot holes and things that didn’t make sense, but hell that’s been very Indiana Jones movie

[Sumac]

This movie...this movie is tanking on a level even I didn't think was possible. Things or going to happen as a result of this- BIG things. We'll just have to wait and see how bad it gets for lucasfilm.
If after this movie KK and her cronies won't be kicked out of Lucasarts / Disney I don't know what else should happen to make it reality.

Also, I would be wholly convinced KK has a wall of incriminating evidence towards all her bosses. Or she gives Ocars-worthy blowjobs. :ohwell:

[Andrew NDB]

Some alternative titles I'm seeing that make me snicker (sadly):

Indiana Jones and the Destruction of Legacy

Indiana Jones and the Obnoxious Girl Boss

[Sabacooza]

If after this movie KK and her cronies won't be kicked out of Lucasarts / Disney I don't know what else should happen to make it reality.

Also, I would be wholly convinced KK has a wall of incriminating evidence towards all her bosses. Or she gives Ocars-worthy blowjobs. :ohwell:Her email account at Lucasfilm has been deactivated. Her and her husband Frank Marshall were also snubbed by Spielberg and everyone else at the Indy 5 premiere. I believe her staying power is gone.

[Roseangelo]

Ended up seeing it on Monday night. It was fine.

I rewatched 1–3 over the weekend, and will get to 4 soon-ish. Compared to the other three, there was nothing terrible here. But yes, the ending could have been better.

[Sumac]

It's for the best that this movie is bombing even if you like the movie and it isn't that bad. Had it done well it would mean more Indiana Jones without Harrison Ford and no one wants that. It would also send a signal to Disney that things are going "fine" with the way things are currently run. So if this helps them panic along their other failed movies it's only great for us.
Failure of Rise of Palpatine's Granddaughter didn't stop Dinsey from making more Star Wars movies. But one can hope.

Also Disney will never admit KK did anything wrong at least in the official record, because of her age she'll just "retire" because it's her time not for any other "reasons". I think that should happen soon but I mean don't believe the random youtuber, she might stay there a few more years and any project that doesn't bomb will only keep her there. Disney will do anything to save face.
At some point they need to face reality that KK produced almost nothing, but failures and ruined some of the biggest franchises on the planet. Of course, it is not exclusively only her fault (hi, Ruin Johnson!) and she has some moderate successes under her belt, like Mandalorian and Andor...but still, when your corporation has the biggest media franchise in the world and makes a billion instead of 2 billions, it is time to think that maybe people responsible for its newest installments are at fault.

[Andrew NDB]

The more I think about KK the more upsetting it all is.

Star Wars? KK's sequel trilogy destroyed.

Indiana Jones? Part 5 was co-opted and destroyed by KK agenda.

Willow? Rendered radioactive as an IP after the KK-led Disney+ series.

And the list goes on and on. And there's not really any going back on any of this... the damage is done. We can't, like, un-get the Star Wars sequel trilogy. Harrison Ford isn't coming back to try it again. No one is going to throw more money at a Willow production ever again.

[ssjup81]

It's for the best that this movie is bombing even if you like the movie and it isn't that bad. Had it done well it would mean more Indiana Jones without Harrison Ford and no one wants that. It would also send a signal to Disney that things are going "fine" with the way things are currently run. So if this helps them panic along their other failed movies it's only great for us.

Shia isn't in Transformers 5 and it bombs. Shia isn't in Indy 5 and it bombs. I think we owe our boy an apology here.
https://media.tenor.com/kA8khAUYJZ8AAAAC/shia-labeouf.gif

Also Disney will never admit KK did anything wrong at least in the official record, because of her age she'll just "retire" because it's her time not for any other "reasons". I think that should happen soon but I mean don't believe the random youtuber, she might stay there a few more years and any project that doesn't bomb will only keep her there. Disney will do anything to save face.In all honesty, I didn’t have an issue with Mutt as a character…the movie itself just felt unnecessary. It did have its moments though.The more I think about KK the more upsetting it all is.

Star Wars? KK's sequel trilogy destroyed.

Indiana Jones? Part 5 was co-opted and destroyed by KK agenda.

Willow? Rendered radioactive as an IP after the KK-led Disney+ series.

And the list goes on and on. And there's not really any going back on any of this... the damage is done. We can't, like, un-get the Star Wars sequel trilogy. Harrison Ford isn't coming back to try it again. No one is going to throw more money at a Willow production ever again.
What Star Wars trilogy? I have no idea what you’re talking about.:P

[Sumac]

In all honesty, I didn’t have an issue with Mutt as a character…the movie itself just felt unnecessary. It did have its moments though.
For me killing character is a nuclear option - there is no way back. And its a pet peeve of mine, when character killed in the backstory, between installments.

[IMJ]

It was never going to be a great movie as it currently is, but the truth is that even in the obviously Frankenstein-built-cut of the movie in theaters, had Helena never knocked out a whiny-bitch Indy to get to the resolution then the movie would have been arguably servicable.

But to do that and utterly destroy his character and have Indy go out like that was pure "Kathleen Kennedy-style" man-hater psychology.

[ssjup81]

For me killing character is a nuclear option - there is no way back. And its a pet peeve of mine, when character killed in the backstory, between installments.I agree. Killing off his character just seemed so unnecessary and pointless. Even in the last film, they had Indy Sr die. I thought it was kind of messed up since he drank from the Holy Grail but whatever. I know Sean didn’t want to do the film, even for a cameo, but they could’ve thought of something better for those of us with partial memories of the Last Crusade which just happened to be my favorite of the original trilogy. :P It was never going to be a great movie as it currently is, but the truth is that even in the obviously Frankenstein-built-cut of the movie in theaters, had Helena never knocked out a whiny-bitch Indy to get to the resolution then the movie would have been arguably servicable.

But to do that and utterly destroy his character and have Indy go out like that was pure "Kathleen Kennedy-style" man-hater psychology.THIS!!!!!! When I came across that, I was like, THIS IS NOT INDIANA JONES! Ugh! Ridiculous! As mentioned, I’m the type who watch or read things to form an opinion on stuff, but this is probably the first time where I’m not doing that. I admit I’m a bit biased here.

[ranger_scout]

I don't know if it was really worth the wait, but I still had a good time watching the movie the two times I've seen it. It was fun seeing it with two of my friends and then with my brother at Regal ScreenX. I think the changing of directors from Speilberg to Mangold did have an effect on the script. David Keopp is probably not the best when it comes to writing sequels. Things didn't go so well for him with The Lost World: Jurassic Park or Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. I really didn't it was all that bad. I thought the beginning was quite good, but I just don't think this movie will ever be considered a classic. My biggest disappointment was the end of the climax. The solution to getting Indy to come by punching him was just not exciting. I did like seeing him reunited with Marion.

[ssjup81]

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This was inevitable. I need to check out Honest Trailers unless they did one and I missed it.

[IMJ]

I don't know if it was really worth the wait, but I still had a good time watching the movie the two times I've seen it. It was fun seeing it with two of my friends and then with my brother at Regal ScreenX. I think the changing of directors from Speilberg to Mangold did have an effect on the script. David Keopp is probably not the best when it comes to writing sequels. Things didn't go so well for him with The Lost World: Jurassic Park or Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. I really didn't it was all that bad. I thought the beginning was quite good, but I just don't think this movie will ever be considered a classic. My biggest disappointment was the end of the climax. The solution to getting Indy to come by punching him was just not exciting. I did like seeing him reunited with Marion.

I mean - it's not even that it wasn't "exciting". We go to these movies because of who these guys are and the situations they are in. And that ending was a complete betrayal of the character and who this guy is. The final scenes (before the epilogue) basically took 40 years of the character and punctuated it at the end with commentary saying "your heroes turn into whiny bitches as they age and there is no reason to look up to them throughout your life and even less reason to look at them as they age".

It's taking a piece of societal culture and intentionally ruining it as some kind of way to make people question things that have given them strength and thought for decades. And it's the exact same thing they did with Luke Skywalker - turned him into a milk drinking weirdo suckling the tit of an bizarre lactating alien while hiding in old age on an unmapped planet.

And so, my point is that this wasn't about "screen writing", this was about thematic direction and edict. After all of the evidence that has been presented for years now, you simply can't help but imagine Kathleen Kennedy, "man hater" sitting around somewhere saying to herself, "now I have control of Star Wars and Indiana Jones and I can ruin the art and history of every man in this generation who loved them because I am a strong, independent wammon."

It's pure agenda. And unfortunately, most people are slow to comprehend and see patterns and so it has gotten this far. But I said it here along time ago - it's a big ship, slow to turn but it's happened with diminishing returns going back to the Last Jedi that everyone tried and hated, then nobody showed up for the Rise of Skywalker, then diminishing returns for every woke $#!( Disney product (Lesbians in a Pixar movie? Seriously?), and now the bottom drops out completely for Indiana Jones.

Don't pay for woke $#!(. Continue not paying for woke $#!(. Woke $#!( is nothing more than peasant-vengeance from the life-angry wrapped in a message of "strength" to make the other peasants get onboard. It's a lie.

[Autbot_Benz]

Saw this on twitter

https://i.imgur.com/nz1yzRl.jpg

Also Marion was originally gonna be in Dial a lot more

Speaking to The Hollywood Reporter, Allen revealed that the initial plan for Indiana Jones 5 (when franchise helmer Steven Spielberg was circling the picture) was more of a story about Indy and Marion. However, when James Mangold and an new writing team came on, the challenge of writing around Mutt (Shia LaBeouf) caused them to work away from Marion's story as well.

"When Steve [Spielberg' was still going to direct the film, I didn't have the opportunity to read any of those scripts, although I know that Marion was much more involved in the story at that juncture," Allen said. "So I knew James [Mangold] had hired new writers and that there was going to be a whole new approach with a new director and new writers, but I was really going into the unknown."

"The next thing I knew, I was reading a script that told [Dial of Destiny's] story, and of course, I was disappointed," she continued. "I had thought that I would be majorly a part of the film, and that was just not the direction they decided to go. I think they had some problems to solve with the story in terms of Shia LaBeouf not coming back, and they chose to create this story that Mutt had been killed in the war and that it put a wedge between Marion and Indy. I mean, you could have knocked me over with a feather when I read it. But I was really happy that they came back together in the end."

https://comicbook.com/movies/news/indiana-jones-dial-destiny-karen-allen-marion-return-disappointed-small-role/

[Sumac]

Those writers are ****ing hacks and retards.
"We don't know how to wright a character, since his actor is a retarded idiot, so let's just kill him!!"

[Sabacooza]

We can always pretend this movie didn't happen just like Disney's Star Wars sequel trilogy.

[Barkworm]

Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade had such a nice ending. Forget the rest.

[Andrew NDB]

Saw this on twitter

https://i.imgur.com/nz1yzRl.jpg


I mean... how do you even argue that?

[Barkworm]

I dismiss the picture on the grounds of me disliking Star Wars EU stuff and ignoring Crystall Skull.

[oldmanwinters]

Saw it yesterday and liked it. Didn’t roll my eyes at anything like the last Star Wars movie.

[Sabacooza]

Saw it yesterday and liked it. Didn’t roll my eyes at anything like the last Star Wars movie.How was Phoebe Waller-Bridge? People say she was insufferable.

[Warhorse]

I just would like to know what kind of dirt Kathleen Kennedy has on these powerful people because if this had been anyone else with the losing streak she has had, their butts would have been fired a long time ago.

[oldmanwinters]

How was Phoebe Waller-Bridge? People say she was insufferable.

Could have been worse (I was expecting worse) but really didn’t do anything deserving of being the film’s co-lead.

I just would like to know what kind of dirt Kathleen Kennedy has on these powerful people because if this had been anyone else with the losing streak she has had, their butts would have been fired a long time ago.

I would second this motion if we could finally get an answer.
Apparently, she gave Spielberg a parental-teacher lecture back on ET so she probably pulls power moves on everybody:
https://www.looper.com/739696/steven-spielberg-confirms-what-we-all-suspected-about-kathleen-kennedys-on-set-behavior/

[MikeandRaph87]

Lucas felt that Indiana Jones needed a different love interest in each film and Spielberg relented. Should he have?

Also, would it have been any better if Spielberg was involved in the 5th film? I feel like from what reports state Lucas is the reason Mutt Williams is insufferable. If given the chance to correct course alone who knows. Ah, well.

https://www.slashfilm.com/1332294/indiana-jones-5-focused-on-indy-and-marion-spielberg-directed/

[Cowabung-Gal]

The independent film “Sound Of Freedom” is beating Indiana Jones at the box office and the wokies are just seething:

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V8cDs8Z9fnI

Wait, you mean exposing the evils of child-trafficking is not only bad, it’s also conspiracy??

[Sabacooza]

I watched it and I have to say Helena (Phoebe Waller-Bridge) was the worst thing about this movie. She was very unlikable and had way too much screen time. She did somewhat change by the end as a person so there is that.

This movie also lacks a spiritual connection that all the previous movies had which to me makes it feel off.

The comic elements were lacking and made it feel void of any kind of heart which Indy movies usually have.

The ending while showing it's never too late to make amends, also felt bad in the sense that it made you realize how it sucks growing old.

The action was good in places and it was cool to see the old Nazi villains involved again but this is a movie I'd be perfectly happy never seeing again.

Indy works as a trilogy and the Last Crusade wraps everything up perfectly. Crystal Skull and Dial of Destiny aren't needed.

[oldmanwinters]

I hate that we now have an Indiana Jones film series where nearly half the films emphasize how “old” he is as the man plot point.

Also, I think I prefer Lucas’ idea that Indy had a different romantic interest (or even none at all) in each film. Marion being his “one true love” just never sat right with me. In Raiders, she is basically his “kid friend who grew up and got hot” but he’s protective of her even if he doesn’t fully trust her (for good reason).

I guess… Helena serves about the same role in DoD.

[Sabacooza]

I hate that we now have an Indiana Jones film series where nearly half the films emphasize how “old” he is as the man plot point. I know. Right? There was no need to remind us again that he's old. We can obviously see it.

One person brought up on YouTube that he should've started out feeling old, bitter, recluse in the beginning and gradually got his mojo back and by the end of the movie felt he could take on the world no matter how old he was or what he may have lost. That would've been a more positive message. Yeah, sure, it would've dealt with the whole being old thing again but at least it wouldn't be so depressing.

Bottom line is, we should've had the original story that Spielberg was excited to direct until they went with what Kennedy wanted.

[oldmanwinters]

I know. Right? There was no need to remind us again that he's old. We can obviously see it.

One person brought up on YouTube that he should've started out feeling old, bitter, recluse in the beginning and gradually got his mojo back and by the end of the movie felt he could take on the world no matter how old he was or what he may have lost. That would've been a more positive message. Yeah, sure, it would've dealt with the whole being old thing again but at least it wouldn't be so depressing.

Bottom line is, we should've had the original story that Spielberg was excited to direct until they went with what Kennedy wanted.

You just described the Rocky franchise where even the first movie comments on his relatively advanced age (30ish) but he keeps moving forward!

I wish we could have gotten quality animated Indy movies adapting various scripts, books, and video games like Fate of Atlantis.

[Sabacooza]

You just described the Rocky franchise where even the first movie comments on his relatively advanced age (30ish) but he keeps moving forward!

I wish we could have gotten quality animated Indy movies adapting various scripts, books, and video games like Fate of Atlantis. I never watched the Rocky movies in full. I only saw bits and pieces here and there so I had no idea that's what I was describing.:lol:

Seeing animated adaptations of various stories would be interesting for sure. Actually, that's what they should do for Star Wars as well. At least then the characters would never age.

[MikeandRaph87]

You just described the Rocky franchise where even the first movie comments on his relatively advanced age (30ish) but he keeps moving forward!

I wish we could have gotten quality animated Indy movies adapting various scripts, books, and video games like Fate of Atlantis.


It's like we share a brain! The only thing I would add is it's funny how Adonis is the same age as Rocky when he gets ahold of Rocky to train him to jump through the ranks and his age is never mentioned.

Let me know about the '87 and '03 commentaries.

[Andrew NDB]

It's like we share a brain! The only thing I would add is it's funny how Adonis is the same age as Rocky when he gets ahold of Rocky to train him to jump through the ranks and his age is never mentioned.

By Creed 3, though, it's already "I'm old, need to retire."

[Barkworm]

The independent film “Sound Of Freedom” is beating Indiana Jones at the box office and the wokies are just seething:

3jKoWPGu0TY

V8cDs8Z9fnI

Wait, you mean exposing the evils of child-trafficking is not only bad, it’s also conspiracy??
If this type of YouTube video is where you get your "information", it's no wonder you are into conspiracy theories.

Mind you, I'm prejudiced. I'd never click on anything that has a thumbnail as sensationalist as the two above so maybe they're amazingly well researched. I'll never find out.