Indiana Jones 5 Announced For 2019

[Cowabung-Gal]

If this type of YouTube video is where you get your "information", it's no wonder you are into conspiracy theories.

Mind you, I'm prejudiced. I'd never click on anything that has a thumbnail as sensationalist as the two above so maybe they're amazingly well researched. I'll never find out.

Then don’t find out

But for the record, the journalists for Rolling Stone were the ones who said that the movie was “designed to appeal to the conscious of a conspiracy-addled boomer”.
(https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-reviews/sound-of-freedom-jim-caviezel-child-trafficking-qanon-movie-1234783837/). But wait, didn’t they also praise “Cuties” as a “sensitive portrait of growing pains that deserves to be seen”?(https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-reviews/cuties-movie-review-1056197/)

Also Jezebel said it was an “anti-child trafficking fantasy fit for QAnon” (https://jezebel.com/sound-of-freedom-review-1850596160) while The Guardian called it an “QAnon-adjacent thriller” (https://www.theguardian.com/film/2023/jul/06/sound-of-freedom-movie-qanon-jim-caviezel). The Guardian also defended “Cuties” as “bold, flawed, and misunderstood” (https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/sep/14/cuties-review-netflixs-controversial-child-exploitation-film-is-bold-flawed-and-misunderstood)

Now, whether the people who are smearing this film are simply doing it to spite the Right because they’re contrarians or they don’t want to upset their superiors at Hollywood which is crawling with child m*****ers, one thing is certain: child-trafficking is a very serious issue and not enough is being done to prevent it. That’s all this film is trying to point out. And for them to say that being worried about child-trafficking is a right-wing thing shows just how despicable they truly are.

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So one actor in the movie might be a tin foil conspiracist. Does Tom Cruise being a scientologist discredit his acting skills and make his films only for scientologists? Nope. Again, this is a disgusting display of tribalism.

[Andrew NDB]

Spielberg on Kathleen Kennedy, ages ago. Absolutely worth a listen.

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[TheCanadiandrome]

Saw it yesterday and liked it. Didn’t roll my eyes at anything like the last Star Wars movie.

It was what it was. I enjoyed it as well

[ssjup81]

I guess this movie really is doing kinda bad. I just saw an Applebees commercial. If you spend $35 or more there, you get a free ticket to this movie. That seems like a desperation move.

[Andrew NDB]

I guess this movie really is doing kinda bad. I just saw an Applebees commercial. If you spend $35 or more there, you get a free ticket to this movie. That seems like a desperation move.

Well no, they were putting that out even weeks before it came out. And I was kicking myself because the receipt from Applebees I had was thrown out when I actually saw the movie. Two burger meals and I had one free ticket, right there.

[ssjup81]

Well no, they were putting that out even weeks before it came out. And I was kicking myself because the receipt from Applebees I had was thrown out when I actually saw the movie. Two burger meals and I had one free ticket, right there.I stand corrected then. Just a marketing strategy. I wonder if it’s being more relied upon now given the projections of this film possibly flopping.

[Andrew NDB]

What?! Phoebe Waller-Bridge really did help out with the script (just like with 007 No Time to Die), and directly at Kathleen Kennedy's behest? She openly talked about it.

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[Andrew NDB]

No one wanted the job, my ass. Favreau wouldn't take it? Filoni?

[IMJ]

The problem is that they don't know what to do because if they fire Kennedy then that action is a direct repudiation of almost everything we've seen on film from Star Wars to Willow to Indiana Jones along with all of the man-hating, hero destroying sensibility that comes along with it.

Firing Kennedy is more than terminating a loudmouth "girl boss". It's terminating a huge portion of woke $#!( mentality from Hollywoke. That's a big pill to swallow when Disney has made itself publicly inextricable from that mind virus.

[oldmanwinters]

Take it with a grain of salt, but the reason Kathleen Kennedy has not been let go is because there is no one who can take the position upon her removal. No one wants to lead Lucasfilm.

https://boundingintocomics.com/2023/07/14/kathleen-kennedy-rumored-to-stay-on-at-lucasfilm-because-no-one-wants-the-job/

No one wanted the job, my ass. Favreau wouldn't take it? Filoni?

Probably at least 200 Wookie-pedia fanboys willing and capable enough to steward the ship and know when to greenlight future media. :lol:

[Sumac]

No one wanted the job, my ass. Favreau wouldn't take it? Filoni?
It is a drowning ship, who wants to captain that?

[oldmanwinters]

I can't say I'd blame any bit of Rise of Skywalker's disappointing returns on Ford, but it really does feel forever-ago when Disney paid him $15 million to headline The Force Awakens:
https://screenrant.com/indiana-jones-5-box-office-harrison-ford-star-wars-blade-runner/

Maybe it's time to do a legacy sequel for The Fugitive ?

[Sumac]

I don't think including Blade Runner is a good idea.
I am not big fan of original and its sequel, but I can see why they are great movies and why regular audience won't be interested in them, not 40 years ago, nor now...

[Andrew NDB]

I can't say I'd blame any bit of Rise of Skywalker's disappointing returns on Ford, but it really does feel forever-ago when Disney paid him $15 million to headline The Force Awakens:
https://screenrant.com/indiana-jones-5-box-office-harrison-ford-star-wars-blade-runner/

And remember, Ford put it in his Force Awakens contract that there would be an Indy 5 and he'd be starring in it.

[Mayhem]

And remember, Ford put it in his Force Awakens contract that there would be an Indy 5 and he'd be starring in it.
That I didn’t know, or forgot.

[Autbot_Benz]

INDIANA JONES AND THE DIAL OF DESTINY Resulted In A Huge Financial Loss For Disney

Disney and Lucasfilm were counting on nostalgia to lure in longtime moviegoers with the theatrical release of Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny last year.

That didn't quite happen, though, as the movie collected a meager $384 million at the box office worldwide when its theatrical run came to a close. Given the $295 million production cost of Dial of Destiny, astute film buffs already knew that the latest Indiana Jones film would not be profitable.

How the film's box office earnings turned out is somewhat baffling, given the fact that the film received favorable reviews from fans and critics alike.

Thanks to Forbes, who analyzed Disney's recently released financial statements, it's been revealed that Disney has told investors that the company lost $134.2 million on the pic.


https://comicbookmovie.com/action/indiana-jones/indiana-jones-and-the-dial-of-destiny-resulted-in-a-huge-financial-loss-for-disney-a210253#gs.6x3bsl

Another home run by Kathleen Kennedy

[neatoman]

Now you'd think that would be a problem... But Warner is working Matrix 5 for some reason, even though 4 sucked hard and made no money, so I guess we'll still see Indiana Jones 6 anyway...

[MikeandRaph87]

I don't understand why George Lucas went out of his way to defend Iger publicly and the investment firms resisted Peltz attempt to shift Disney away from Woke ideology. Yesterday was a continuation of decline not a notable turnaround for a company of rich family entertainment history.

[neatoman]

I don't understand why George Lucas went out of his way to defend Iger publicly and the investment firms resisted Peltz attempt to shift Disney away from Woke ideology. Yesterday was a continuation of decline not a notable turnaround for a company of rich family entertainment history.

I'm just gonna throw out some possibilities:

Iger could have promised him some creative control over LucasFilm back if he did.
His position within the Disney company might have been shaken if Peltz won.
He may have genuinely believed Peltz could have caused the stock to drop.
Peltz may have had rather low odds of winning and it might just have been a safer bet to back Iger instead.

To be clear, I don't think Lucas likes Iger. He probably hates Iger (by a lot) because it's publicly known that Iger screwed him over when it came to post-buyout control over LucasFilm, even by Iger's own account he tricked Lucas into giving up more than he thought, but these things go beyond personal grudges and it's hard to tell why he chose to do what he did.

[Autbot_Benz]

and the investment firms resisted Peltz

Peltz would have been bad for the Disney brand. He literally said he doesn't wanna see movies that are staring women and Black people .

“Why do I have to have a Marvel that’s all women? Not that I have anything against women, but why do I have to do that? Why can’t I have Marvels that are both? Why do I need an all-Black cast?”

Peltz is an out of touch old white guy.

[Andrew NDB]

It might have been from one extreme to another, fine. Sure.

[CyberCubed]

Even back in 2008 when Indy 4 came out, it felt like a "relic" from another time, and that was like 15 years ago. Literally nobody in 2023 besides aging boomers were getting excited over Indy 5.

Much like the Ghostbuster movies and so many other old 80's movie franchises, most of today's audience (teens and 20-29 year olds) do not have an interest in these franchises. They did not grow up with them, they have no nostalgia for them. They're interested in anime and videogames, and I see this due to being in other fandoms that are comprised of mostly young 20 year olds.

Outside some evergreen franchises that are huge like Star Wars, Star Trek, DC and Marvel superheroes, etc....none of these other franchises have generational appeal. It's ok to let things end, as people always wonder why these decade later movie revivals always so poorly.

[Andrew NDB]

I'm looking at the numbers. Why in the world was the budget 402 million, anyway? Where did that go? Crystal Skull had a 185 million dollar budget and even THAT movie felt bloated in terms of effects and CGI wankery.

[Andrew NDB]

According to James Mangold, the director, the only reason it failed was because nobody wanted to see an 80 year-old lead. No other reason.

https://www.darkhorizons.com/dial-of-destiny-director-hurt-by-reaction/

[IMJ]

According to James Mangold, the director, the only reason it failed was because nobody wanted to see an 80 year-old lead. No other reason.

https://www.darkhorizons.com/dial-of-destiny-director-hurt-by-reaction/

Normally I laugh or SMH or find dug-in commentary like that to be weakness on part of the person delivering it. But for some reason Mangold's woke-denial commentary actually pissed me off. He ruined Indiana Jones in the only Harrison Ford sendoff basically possible at this point. And now he's gaslighting the entire viewership basically for "ageism".

Rare occasion where I feel like I'd go to town instantly over the words of a wokester rather than it being enough to crush them intellectually. Weird....

[CyberCubed]

80 year old Ford was only part of the problem, the movie just wasn't that good. But I guess it doesn't matter, there's really nothing else to do at this point. Ford should of made a second set of trilogy in the mid/late 90's or early 2000's when he was still young.

[Andrew NDB]

I mean, an 80 year old Indy certainly didn't help, but that wouldn't even be in the top 10 reasons of what made the movie not so great. And we already know that Kathleen Kennedy was using the movie as a springboard for the Waller Bridge Disney+ series... and the movie LITERALLY kills Indy's son -- his only child -- in order to make it happen.

[Powder]

Dial of Destiny had a lot of interesting concepts in it, but the whole thing was a snooze-fest, shy of that third act time-travel scene. Would've rather had an entire film's worth of that sorta thing. The new characters didn't move me, it was too long, too much re-treading the past, not enough Indie, among other things. Had no problem with Harrison Ford's age or performance. The broad sucked.

I say this as someone who really liked the fourth one, for what that's worth. :tlol:

[neatoman]

So I'm guessing they're not actually going to go through with the direction of making a new series starring Phoebe Waller-Bridge's character, and just reboot the franchise with a younger actor playing a new version of Indy if they even bother making more movies at all?

[Andrew NDB]

So I'm guessing they're not actually going to go through with the direction of making a new series starring Phoebe Waller-Bridge's character

That was cancelled almost as soon as Indy 5 came out.

and just reboot the franchise with a younger actor playing a new version of Indy if they even bother making more movies at all?

That's the assumption, but no time soon. Indy is going into a deep freeze for probably 10 or more years.

[CyberCubed]

They literally just released a new videogame (with a new story) for Indiana Jones two days ago on Xbox. It'll also get a PS5 version early next year.

[Andrew NDB]

And that game apparently didn't move the meter much. I haven't heard a lot of buzz about it at all.

I mean, an 80 year old Indy certainly didn't help, but that wouldn't even be in the top 10 reasons of what made the movie not so great. And we already know that Kathleen Kennedy was using the movie as a springboard for the Waller Bridge Disney+ series... and the movie LITERALLY kills Indy's son -- his only child -- in order to make it happen.

It's really insidious when you think about it.

* Star Wars: Collectively Luke, Han and Leia only ever had ONE kid amongst them all, Ben Solo. Who is killed off and the real hero is Rey, who isn't related to any of them, who will now lead the franchise. But nobody liked the sequel trilogy so the Rey movie and trilogy never happened.

* Indiana Jones: Indy only had ONE kid, and dies between movies so that Phoebe Waller Bridge's character, who isn't related to Indy, can now lead the franchise. But Dial of Destiny was a huge failure so the Disney+ Phoebe Waller Bridge spinoff was stopped dead in its tracks.

Same sh**.

[CyberCubed]

The game is really good, played it last year when it finally came to PS5 and it was very fun.

[IMJ]

* Indiana Jones: Indy only had ONE kid, and dies between movies so that Phoebe Waller Bridge's character, who isn't related to Indy, can now lead the franchise. But Dial of Destiny was a huge failure so the Disney+ Phoebe Waller Bridge spinoff was stopped dead in its tracks.

Same sh**.

DOD was a Disaster of Dogshit but I'm pretty sure Mutt was killed off because Shia burned bridges or something like that with Spielberg, no?

I don't think they ever even released that movie on 4k.

[Andrew NDB]

DOD was a Disaster of Dogshit but I'm pretty sure Mutt was killed off because Shia burned bridges or something like that with Spielberg, no?

Pretty sure there were more options than killing Mutt if they just didn't want to work with Shia again. KK wants her heroes childless and legacy-less... unless the offspring is a lesbian (Willow on Disney+).

[TigerClaw]

And that game apparently didn't move the meter much. I haven't heard a lot of buzz about it at all.



It's really insidious when you think about it.

* Star Wars: Collectively Luke, Han and Leia only ever had ONE kid amongst them all, Ben Solo. Who is killed off and the real hero is Rey, who isn't related to any of them, who will now lead the franchise. But nobody liked the sequel trilogy so the Rey movie and trilogy never happened.

* Indiana Jones: Indy only had ONE kid, and dies between movies so that Phoebe Waller Bridge's character, who isn't related to Indy, can now lead the franchise. But Dial of Destiny was a huge failure so the Disney+ Phoebe Waller Bridge spinoff was stopped dead in its tracks.

Same sh**.
Its such a huge missed opportunity of not bringing back Short Round.

[sdp]

I liked Mutt, I like Shia. Why did people turn on him.

[TigerClaw]

I liked Mutt, I like Shia. Why did people turn on him.
He started drinking a lot of alcohol, smoking and all that stuff.

[Andrew NDB]

He started drinking a lot of alcohol, smoking and all that stuff.

That's almost all actors. The problem with Shia was all the trouble with the law, bar fights (fighting fans) and giant benders and saying really weird, antagonistic stuff in public over and over again.

[sdp]

But people act like he raped their mother

[Andrew NDB]

But people act like he raped their mother

It's pretty weird, really. I don't believe I've ever read he was acting a fool on any FILM SET. Just weird interactions in public.

idk. Probably a big factor was that a lot of women found him really attractive for a while since his Disney days and this was all like a big betrayal of that image or something, so everyone decided he was no longer bankable.

[IMJ]

I secretly hope for another Bay-Transformers disaster that bring in everyone from the revolving cast, including Shia, to sort of wrap up that awful "Unicron is Earth" plot-thread before the went with "Bumblebee".

[Xav]

But people act like he raped their mother
Well he was accused of sexual battery.

[IMJ]

Well he was accused of sexual battery.

I think at this point there are very few people left who haven't been....