Official Ep Discussion S4 Ep 12: Evil of Lord Dregg

[victory_angel]

Dregg is back and this time, he gets a drop on both the Turtles and Monalisa.

In this episode, Raph feels he's losing his fighting mojo as they face Lord Dregg on his home turf, The planet Sectoid 1.

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Will Raph be able to pull himself together enough to take down Dregg?
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Or will it be nothing but kissy face between him and Mona?

[Redworld96]

It's available now on iTunes

I am sorry for Casey’s fans, but in this episode he was very very very stupid :tgrumble:

[Vicky82]

Great episode.

But I don't think Raph fans will be happy with this one but they might like it when he's enraged during the fight with Dregg

Also

Wow I thought Raph actually decapitated Dreggs head

but it turns out

SpoilerBig SpoilerDregg is a Robot

[cookie jar]

Casey Jones in this episode :roll:.
Knowing this show I wasn't surprised when it turned out Dregg is a robot.

[neatoman]

SpoilerBig SpoilerDregg is a Robot

You're not joking? Because if that's the case, does make sense in context? It's not some kind of trick?
The character we've been seeing for half a season really is a robot?

[kelligrafie]

Why are we using spoilers in a thread about the actual episode?

I thought we'd gone beyond this silliness?

If people don't want an episode spoiling, then they shouldn't go on a thread specifically dedicated to recapping the episode.

Look I'm on here and I've got another 6 or 7 hours before I find a decent stream/upload for the episode. It'd be my own fault for seeing anything that's a massive plot reveal. I wouldn't be able to blame any of you and nobody else would be able to either.

Chillax with the spoiler tags.

[Vicky82]

Well the episode hasn't aired on Nick yet so I preferred to put under spoilers, As soon as it's aired I won't use the spoilers.

[Papenbrook]

You're not joking? Because if that's the case, does make sense in context? It's not some kind of trick?
The character we've been seeing for half a season really is a robot?

CyberCubed is gonna be pissed. :fshifty:

[GoldMutant]

(It's called The Evil of Dregg, there's no "Lord" in the title. Sorry, personal thing that bothers me)

(sighs) Well, at least I get an early watch again. I'll keep it under spoilers, but when the episode is released, I'll rid the spoiler tag. Should be fair, right? :) Anyways, review for right now:

Overall, it's mediocre. There's two plotlines going on once more, one with Don, Fugitoid, and April and another with the remaining team. Since the subplot doesn't do a whole lot outside a rescue near the climax, I'll discuss that first. You remember the sneak preview clip we got at nick.com? Well, Casey once more is spewing his "metal" phrase and when he and Leo fall, cue the bugs coming out. In the ensuing fight, Jones whacks a bug with his baseball bat at a bug, which attaches to Donatello.

Once this occurs, Don, April, and Fugitoid are partially out of the episode. Don's cure is a quick fix like Fugitoid's coma in Revenge of the Triceratons last week. After being cured, Don comes up with a plan to use the cure as pesticide where the trio break in to save the team. The spray runs out though and Don is almost eaten by Dregg. :roll: I get Raphael is often the scapegoat of the show, but Don is really getting screwed for no rhyme or reason. He didn't get a plot fully fleshed out last week and didn't learn anything. Also, April is using her powers again to assist in the rescue mission... great.

As for the main plot with how it connects to the plot, the Salamanderians return once more. Off camera, it's revealed their planet is threatened for extermination by Dregg. When Sal is presumed kidnapped, Mona fires a distress signal to the Ulixes and asks for the Turtles' help. There's some teasing from Michelangelo towards Raphael and hints of Raph going love mode. After discovering Dregg's lair, cue the above scene with the bug ambush where the three remaining Turtles, Mona, and Casey storm Dregg's base. Once arriving in awesome looking scenery, the above reason is revealed which is the cause of Raph becoming depressed.

Once this occurs, the Turtles and Casey get trapped in some kind of orange container. Thankfully, Casey does something useful by utilizing his "taser" and breaks the seal. As a result and after Leo saying Don will save them with an army of Salamanderians (sarcasm on that), the four are tossed into a pit under ownership of a new creature. Cue the subplot being inserted where the three return and the Salamanderians betrayed, and April throws a tentacle down to save the four. All of them escape with Dregg in hot pursuit; also, Armaggon's here, I barely mentioned him because he does next to nothing. He's eaten though and I doubt we'll see him again ala Star Wars.

Battle outside where Mona and Sal refuse to leave despite Don's protests and Raph still not trusting her. Mona then says "I love you" and cue Raph's mojo back. He defeats Dregg (revealed as a robot) and then that's it. Mona and Raph make up and end of episode where they're about to kiss.

That's the whole episode, it really doesn't advance the plot at all and could have been right after The Cosmic Ocean. In terms of design, Dregg's hideout looks good, but the bugs personally aren't that good. The ones when the eight first arrive remind me too much of Stockman-Fly and the others personally didn't impress me. Not the best looking episode (that'd be either Beyond the Known Universe or Journey to the Center of Mikey's Mind for me despite issues with both) but solid either way. As for plot, that's an entirely different matter.

I continuously mention family as the central Turtles theme. Sure, the action, comedy and characters are what we all enjoy primarily but it shouldn't come at the cost of the theme. A line Raph says directly destroys that; nevermind going back to an old plot too, why kill the dynamic? Mona and Raph's relationship shouldn't impact everything for their friends; I'm aware if love causes us to like the lover more than people. However, the line just doesn't sit well for me.

.... I'm going to discuss more later when the episode is actually aired, as the Mona x Raph relationship has been on my mind with how it'd play out here. Not trying to be biased to Raph as he's my favorite of the Turtles usually, but this episode isn't impressing me. As of right now, it'll be 4.5/10, it's got some fun action and designs but overall the execution just doesn't bode well personally.

[kelligrafie]

I bet the Ramona fans will feel a bit more than robbed at the end scene where it goes into freeze frame. :lol:

Cue a load of photoshopped freeze frames appearing on deviant art over the next few days.

[TigerClaw]

4 minutes til showtime.

[TigerClaw]

Here we go!

[Vicky82]

I'm glad I watched it earlier otherwise I would have missed the first few minutes because I was watching a guy putting a sword down his throat on Britain's Got Talent.

[Powder]

An otherwise conceptually awesome episode ruined by excessive shipping fodder & the universe's most villainous villains being uncharacteristically goofy. I loved parts of it, hated others. :tconfuse: :tgrumble: This Raph & Mona sh*t is no bueno, sorry. It was cute the first time around, now it's just over the top pandering. I can forgive the bad guys being used for comedic relief, but not that. While I did enjoy the episode overall, this is the first time I'm walking away from the TV with a bad taste in my mouth. I was at first glad to see her made into a villain, I figured it was diss to whiny fans in the way that Irma's Kraang Sub-Prime reveal was, but nooo. I was later happy she got killed, but alas, she still lives. Ugh. Anyway, I am very interested in this new take for Dregg. He was in awe at the mention of Triceratons, & then turned out to be a robot. Is he King, the missing Utrom link? Someone else with mysterious yet familiar ties? Hope to see where that goes soon enough.

[TurFlytle]

but it turns out

SpoilerBig SpoilerDregg is a Robot

So, it's like Slade's robot clones, except it's the real one. TBH, if Dregg was organic, bugs living inside of him would be painful. Kind of reminds me of the villain Roach Coach from the Powerpuff Girls, which pretty much had the same gimmick.

I give the episode a 7.5.
Complaints:
What was with Dregg and Armaggon this episode? They seemed... goofy. Are they turning into this arc's 87 Shredder and Krang?

The Ramona ship is getting stale, just stop with the love interests already. This is the fourth time they had Mona and Raph kiss, 3 times being at the end of their respective episode. The ship is turning into Apritello 2.0. Can we kill off Mona some time soon?

Is Dregg defeated? He was just decapitated. They didn't make any progress, so is Salamandria still doomed?

[Vicky82]

IGN review up

8.2

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2016/04/10/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-the-evil-of-dregg-review

[TigerClaw]

I thought it was a good episode, the Raph and and Mona Lisa ship will continue. :)

[Splinter the boss]

Go, Dregg! Go, Dregg! Go, Dregg! what a shame!
Dregg is a robot, I wasn't expecting that, however I wasn't surprised either.
I can understand Mona Lisa because she was trying to save her home planet, at least she redeemed herself.

Casey, this episode, was annoying at the beginning when he said "Yes!" when he found out that Armaggon was behind the capture. Then again, he put in some good fights. Raph, and Casey in the lair was hilarious, couldn't resist laughing.

Fugitoid tried to kill Dregg, Armaggon like that, How pacifist!

Raphael in rage mode was unstoppable, haven't seen him this furious since "the good, the bad, and Casey jones", It was cool.
8/10.

[TigerClaw]

The Raph and Mona Lisa ship continues on its journey.

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[Powder]

Tigerclaw continues his redundancy.

[OrangeNinja1987]

It was an okay episode. I don't have much to say. The shipping stuff was mostly bearable but I got tired of it fast.
Raph and Mona have known each other how long? And they're already in love?
I can chock that up to dramatic teen relationships.
A couple funny jokes, but not one that I remembered.
Easily the best part was when Raph went berserk. From all the downplayed ninja action this season, it feels like I haven't seen something like that for a looooooong time.
I still hate how April only shoots a gun. What was the point of that multi-season story of her becoming a kunoichi if she never uses her skills?! In one of the last episodes of her training, she was even sparring with Leo!
7/10

[Vicky82]

Raphael in rage mode was unstoppable, haven't seen him this furious since "the good, the bad, and Casey jones", It was cool.


He had a big furious moment in The Invasion.

Yeah I liked that too he was awesome.

The Raph fans should have liked it also but they will ignore it and still moan about Raph and Mona Lisa's relationship. :P

[TigerClaw]

Yeah I liked that too he was awesome.

The Raph fans should have liked it also but they will ignore it and still moan about Mona Lisa. :P
I'm glad it will continue, the more Mona Lisa, the better, screw those haters. :trazz:

[Powder]

Yeah I liked that too he was awesome.

The Raph fans should have liked it also but they will ignore it and still moan about Raph and Mona Lisa's relationship. :P

I'm not even a Raph fan but c'mon, one small moment of action doesn't make up for all the brain fog & sappy stuff.

[drgon78]

Good episode, good fighting, strange world, I am really enjoying the space arc, I will be sad when it ends.

[Vicky82]

I'm not even a Raph fan but c'mon, one small moment of action doesn't make up for all the brain fog & sappy stuff.

The sappy stuff wasn't as bad as it was in The War For Dimension X (Raph and Mona were nose touching every few minutes), to me it seemed a lot better.

[NinjaPug]

I'd be pissed if I was a Raph fan watching this episode. He lost his will to fight because Mona betrayed them? Give me a break.

Mona is a weird situation for me. I want more female characters on this show but if her character is going to continue to be portrayed in this manner (specifically the relationship with Raph) then I want them to get rid of her.

[Vicky82]

I'd be pissed if I was a Raph fan watching this episode. He lost his will to fight because Mona betrayed them? Give me a break.


Ok so if your partner betrayed you, you probably would act like that.

[TigerClaw]

Ok so if your partner betrayed you, you probably would act like that.
Yeah, Raph is an emotional guy.

[NinjaPug]

Ok so if your partner betrayed you, you probably would act like that.

What a weird response by trying to compare this to real life. It's ok. You don't have to try and justify everything people didn't like about the episode.

[Prototype]

Or will it be nothing but kissy face between him and Mona?

As long as they leave out Raph doing the gender twisting pose I'm OK with it.
If it was funny, then okey cool...but it's not. It's stupid and getting old fast.

I thought there would be some sort of hiatus for the show by now.

[Vicky82]

As long as they leave out Raph doing the gender twisting pose I'm OK with it.
If it was funny, then okey cool...but it's not. It's stupid and getting old fast.

I thought there would be some sort of hiatus for the show by now.

It looks like The hiatus will happen after Earth's Last Stand and I guess that will be at least 2 1/2 months because of the movie coming out.

[TMNTInsighter]

Ok so if your partner betrayed you, you probably would act like that.

Exactly! ...Though I can understand Mona's and Sal's reasoning for it.

I've always imagined that the most prominent fear of the turtles, especially Raphael, is being betrayed by their friends/comrades/allies. Raphael, being the stubborn and angry individual as he is, still does yearn for someone to trust and reach out to; afterall, having many (human) friends is a luxury that's impossible to come by too much, even more so given Raph's mood and psychological mindset. If, God forbid, he should find himself in a badly beaten position only to look up and see the face of a betrayer looking down unsympathetically at him, you can only imagine the mix of berserk fury, utter sadness, and blame for being such a fool swirling around his mind all at the same time and it could devastate him beyond repair if he survives.
The other turtles all have the same fear inside but to a smaller extent. This series in particular, Donatello has a rivalry with Casey for April's affections. However, we've seen in other episodes that they're always able to put it aside when necessary and when the other needs help. Imagine a nightmare in Donnie's mind though, where it plays out the other way and Casey, alone with Don in a life and death struggle against an enemy, in fact leaves him for dead so that the competition is eliminated.
Mikey is basically a lover--I've always joked that his heart's way too big for there to be room for a brain. The only pain and fear that he and Leo really feel is loss rather than betrayal. Loss is so constantly on Leo's mind he almost doesn't have time for those thoughts. They can expect betrayal from an enemy, but not someone they've put trust in. How they would feel about betrayal outside the results of losing one of their own family would be unknown, but if it did indeed happen, the consequences on their psyches would be enormous for sure.

[pannoni1]

This episode I'll have to admit was a bit underachieving in terms of what I hope it would be. If you like the shipping/emotional stuff, it was quite a surprised, but otherwise it turned out to be just a filler episode in terms of the overall story. As others have said, Casey continues to get the short end of the stick, Raph more prominent, and Armaggon was just so stupid you couldn't feel for him.

Show grade: 6/10

[Utrommaniac]

It seems like Raph and Mona have been keeping in touch between episodes, so I can swallow their relationship a little better than if they had just met on a few occasions and never stayed in contact.

And was that Dregg just a decoy robot? Certainly the less cool of the robot decapitations this series has offered, though

[Autbot_Benz]

shippers ruin everything first Arrow and now Turtles. I jab at the people who whine about Raph on this show but I actually side with them a bit on this episode . That was pathetic he couldn't fight because of Mona.


Raphael:
Ugh! Where do they come up with this stuff?:lol:

[Vicky82]

I've noticed that Mikey has been awesome this season. He seems more focus, he hasn't made any mistakes.

He's been amazing these last few episode. Last week he saved April, killed some of those gremlins, he supported and cheered Donnie up. This week, he saved April again, killed some bugs, he was concerned for Donie and he was being protective over Raph when Leo was annoyed at him.

I hope his amazing moments continues.

[Hero]

The Dregg revelation is pretty cool though not as much of a surprise considering what his minions are called. Some of Dregg's toy design itself is also a giveaway.

A hint of Transformers Beast Wars in there. I'm quite pleased about that

[ranger_scout]

I thought that today's episode was one of the better ones from this season. It kind of had a Return of Jedi feel to it since the heroes had to avoid being digested by a pit monster very similar to the the Sarlacc. Another highlight for me was the reaction Raph had when he learned that Mona Lisa loved him.

[neatoman]

So yeah, Dregg being revealed as a robot was weirder than I thought it'd be, we saw him eat and drink before that happened. I don't think it's a decoy either, if that was the case then there would have been an additional scene showing the real Dregg in order to clarify that.

But it does have some interesting implications, if that wasn't a decoy then who built Dregg and why?

[Splinter the boss]

As long as they leave out Raph doing the gender twisting pose I'm OK with it.


Yeah, Raph doing that thing with his leg is just plain weird. I don't get it. I thought it was girls(no offense) who do that.

[Icebot]

I liked this episode, it reminded me of April's Artifact from the 4kids cartoon. I think I like that Dregg is a robot.

[CyberCubed]

The Dregg reveal was weird. We see a whole planet of insect people, we see him eat, and his whole body looked like flesh.

I don't know what to make of it. Maybe it'll be more clear the next time Dregg appears.

[kelligrafie]

shippers ruin everything first Arrow and now Turtles. I jab at the people who whine about Raph on this show but I actually side with them a bit on this episode . That was pathetic he couldn't fight because of Mona.

Yeah I found it rather overdramatic.

I thought he would've gone stupid with hurt filled rage and made a mistake through that and be captured.

That to me seems more like Raph.

Ok so if your partner betrayed you, you probably would act like that.
Except they're not partners.

They're overly besotted teenagers. Nowhere have they ever implied that they're officially 'together'. Sure they have strong feelings for each other but is it serious long lasting love or hormonal fits of doe-eyed devotion?


I thought this episode was average but Lord Dregg seems to have become the super villain they made him out to be. Very dastardly. :trazz:

[Vicky82]

Except they're not partners.

They're overly besotted teenagers. Nowhere have they ever implied that they're officially 'together'. Sure they have strong feelings for each other but is it serious long lasting love or hormonal fits of doe-eyed devotion?


I know they aren't partners, I said partners as in boyfriend/girlfriend, married ect. It was just easier to say.

[TurFlytle]

Probably it's like one small bug inside. Think Utrom Shredder, except it's a talking bug. Fugitoid said he was the same race as the rest of the bugs. His Vreens are shown to be mechanical as they release electricity when they are killed. Probably most of the organic life was erased by Dregg and replaced with mechanical beings.

[Utrommaniac]

Probably it's like one small bug inside. Think Utrom Shredder, except it's a talking bug.

That was actually my first consideration, but I'm putting it aside for now.

[CyberCubed]

Did brandon auman or anyone say anything online about what the deal with Dregg was?

[TMNTInsighter]

shippers ruin everything first Arrow and now Turtles. I jab at the people who whine about Raph on this show but I actually side with them a bit on this episode . That was pathetic he couldn't fight because of Mona.

Well, for one example among others, I think you have to look back at his attitude towards Karai last season (and himself a bit too). Obviously Karai (Raph too) was acting against her will; while Mona and Sal, though they had free will, felt they didn't have a choice and yet none of that stopped Raph from feeling upset about the situation.
Why? Because Raph likes things simple. He hates complications. Especially when they revolve around others that they're supposed to love and trust.
When Karai turned against them in S3 and Raph saw his brothers in pain over it, he acted oppositely not because he was his typical jerk self or because he never accepted her. It was because he wanted his brothers to stop being in this pain--a grim good fortune he was able to keep himself from sharing in. Karai had been their enemy before and those days were simple, no ifs, ands, or buts. If they could've found a way he would've been all for rescuing her again but when hope seemed lost at the beginning of "The Fourfold Trap", he felt there was nothing else to do but act like he and his brothers did back in the old episodes.
And if we know anything about his character as well as Karai's, if there was only one way to stop them from hurting the ones they loved while under the influence of mind control, they both would've accepted to die rather than their family members meet a grim end so they could live as slaves. Again, that's why Raph hurt over Mona's and Sal's betrayal the way he did, because it's a natural part of his character to hate complications like that.

[oldmanwinters]

I was really weirded out when Dregg tried to eat Donatello. They really showed him to have an appetite in this episode, when he was snacking on his throne, ala Jabba the Hutt in Return of the Jedi.

And then it turns out he was a robot the whole time. :???:

[CyberCubed]

I was really weirded out when Dregg tried to eat Donatello. They really showed him to have an appetite in this episode, when he was snacking on his throne, ala Jabba the Hutt in Return of the Jedi.

And then it turns out he was a robot the whole time. :???:

Yeah, that's what I don't get at all. Dregg was eating, tried to eat Don...so where did the robot head come from?

I keep wondering if the Dregg at the very end was a robot decoy or something, but I think the writers would have told us that if it was the case. Weird.

[GoldMutant]

Given how they never entirely kill off mutants or characters, I was actually kinda surprised with Dregg as a robot partially, first time I've seen a plot twist to enjoy. Anyways, my thoughts are primarily the same as earlier today: The Evil of Dregg has decent action and aesthetics (though not the insects personally) but oh my.... Raphael and Mona. :ohwell: I've said my case many times now and am tired of beating the dead horse, but I want to reiterate as it's going to happen yet again if The Ever-Burning Fire has Mona based on the Chompy clip.

Putting aside Ciro leaving his computer due to the requests of Mona Lisa, I can't get her inclusion outside her popularity. She was nothing more than a one off character like a good percentage of the Fred Wolf cast. I thought Raphael Meets His Match was actually a good episode from the series, not the greatest but a fun episode regardless. I really wish more of her dynamic was played with in the later seasons, it could have been interesting.

For this series, the relationships are pitiful. Leo and Karai is the only one I see as realistic, the struggle of a man trying to assist his family. The others range from mediocrity to just cringe inducing. Don and April I won't repeat again, I'll include a link though to my stance on it: http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showpost.php?p=1560256&postcount=27 As for Mikey and Renet, Turtles in Time still ranks as one of the worst episodes of the entire series. It's a sudden change in Michelangelo's character and only serves to fill the status quo of Greg Cipes and Ashley Johnson having chemistry in most animation appearances.

In terms of Raphael and Mona Lisa though, I don't get how or why I should root for them to be together. Again, cast aside reality where break ups occur, there's two sides to a story. One person may feel heartbroken on it, the other will not and want to move on. This episode tried to make Raphael once more care more for Mona over his whole family. That infuriates me to no end on Raph putting more trust in his "girl" he's had a brief fling with over the family he bickers with and loves.

Look, I have nothing against a softie Raph if it's done correctly; Spike I will praise because of that reason. Or other series where Raph was upset, like the 1990 movie or Tales of Leo. For this series, why turn Raph into a person lacking self-confidence just because of betrayal and then get back together? If Raph didn't attempt anything, he would have been killed easily this episode; why not use his anger from it and make him turn aggressive? Or, Mona still betrays them but Raph is left alone to confront Dregg. That would have been a better story probably over sulking Raph.

I'm going to quote what I wrote again from The War for Dimension X! again, because honestly if they followed that this episode could have been a perfect conclusion to the relationship, well except for the getting back together. To repeat:


Start with Raphael and Mona having a fight in Moons
Raph is either outclassed due to Mona's advanced training or a nice even fight.
To go full circle of Raph making fun of the crushes, have him seek advice from the group on love lifes. Maybe Mikey teases him a little for comedic banter.
The two meet up during the Ice Dragon battle; Raph desires to have her open up. Fights in a badass fashion.
Mona still hates him, but when the two freeze, Raph protects Mona from freezing.
The two begin to respect each others skills; no relationship kiss yet, but a hug or handshake.
Possibly throughout the episodes before this, Raph thinks about Mona a little wondering about her. (this is a definite maybe)
Now in War for Dimension X, repeat up to the detention center.
Raph is shocked to see Mona Lisa again and attempts to break her out. Hint Mona has gone nicer.
The two work together on the Dractoids, demonstrate their growth in teamwork.
Either have them kiss, or end the episode with something cute.


It also annoys me of Gavin Hignight writing this episode as he wrote Slash and Destroy, arguably one of the best episodes of the entire series. I can see he gets Raph partially and can do throwbacks to make good stories, but not this time. Every writer has one bad episode; unfortunately, this was Hignight's.

I have no problem debating why I feel this is one of the series' low points. It's wasted potential and only serves as pandering. A horrible execution to not only Raph's characterization, which has taken a serious hit either way, and killing whatever I can care about for both him and Mona.

[Ninjinister]

That was a sweet episode.

[TurtleTitan97]

Decent episode. I give it a 7.8/10

[lonewarrior20]

i liked it. i really expected the robot head to open up and we find out dregg was a little cockroach.

[TheJ-manTurtleMan]

I've noticed that Mikey has been awesome this season. He seems more focus, he hasn't made any mistakes.

He's been amazing these last few episode. Last week he saved April, killed some of those gremlins, he supported and cheered Donnie up. This week, he saved April again, killed some bugs, he was concerned for Donie and he was being protective over Raph when Leo was annoyed at him.

I hope his amazing moments continues.

I've noticed that too, and I hope they keep it up. They have kinda made Casey Jones the comic relief in this season, which I'm not too keen on, I think he's super annoying, but If that means Mikey is less stupid comic relief, than I;m okay with it.

[JH24]

Weird episode, tried to like it but if just felt forced and cliché in the end.


- Mona Lisa, not really liking her character but I can overlook that. But she appears too much this season and her role and relation with Raph is overplayed.
- Donatello's face. Wasn't funny, just gross.
- Casey laughing about Donny being stung. Hated it. Actually made me stop watching before forcing myself to continue later on. At that point I knew what kind of episode this would be.
- Speaking of Casey, he was terribly annoying. I liked his character in the previous episode but got really irritated here. I hate to say it but writers: Please do something about his character. Don't change it every other episode. I don't want to feel dread everytime Casey is going to say or do something on-screen.
- The Donatello abuse continues. Almost getting eaten. Was no point in that at all.
- Dregg being a robot...that was just weird and makes no sense after what we've seen of him before.
- Armaggon. It seems he's dead. What a terrible waste of a character. He had a great design and voice. When he was first introduced I hoped he had some shred of honor left and would turn around in the end. But they did nothing with him.


They seem to have switched Mikey's and Casey's roles around. Mikey is more competent, while Casey has seemingly taken Mikey's role of comic relief.

Didn't enjoy this at all. This episode left such a bad taste in my mouth I feel like taking a break from the series.

[CyberCubed]

Armaggon isn't dead. He's been eaten before for goodness sakes.

[TheJ-manTurtleMan]

Also in regards to Mikey being less of a goofball. That short little scene with him that happens as they go back to the ship with Donnie. The focus just stays on Mikey for like a second and It really stood out to me. He doesn't want the team to split up and he instinctively knows that something is not right. Shows his natural compassion and love for his brothers. I really hope they keep going like this, It's showing that the turtles are maturing.

Well...maybe not Raph, but that's debatable :twink:

[Mini-Turtle]

Armaggon isn't dead. He's been eaten before for goodness sakes.

He was rescued before by Dregg, but now he is in the Sarlacc, where he will be slowly digested over the course of a thousand years. And Dregg probably will have no desire to rescue him from there since he is convinced that Armaggon threw that thing at him.

As for Dregg's robotic head, did Don see it when he was in Dregg's mouth?

[CyberCubed]

I still don't understand what they did with Dregg, especially since they showed him eating worms as well as trying to eat Don in the very same episode.

I thought at the end of the episode they would show a scene of the villain like they usually do with past episodes, but no, the ep ended and we didn't see what became of him.

[JH24]

Armaggon isn't dead. He's been eaten before for goodness sakes.

You're right, that's why I said "it seems". You can never really tell in these shows if a character is dead. I would love to see Armaggon return. He's still a character with a lot of potential.

I still don't understand what they did with Dregg, especially since they showed him eating worms as well as trying to eat Don in the very same episode.

I thought at the end of the episode they would show a scene of the villain like they usually do with past episodes, but no, the ep ended and we didn't see what became of him.

I wouldn't mind seeing Dregg return, or even better, Dregg returning and revealing he send out a decoy in the battle with Raph. Maybe he got a little nervous after seeing the Fugitoid's weapon and found it too much of a risk to chase them himself. But that's just myself daydreaming.

Also in regards to Mikey being less of a goofball. That short little scene with him that happens as they go back to the ship with Donnie. The focus just stays on Mikey for like a second and It really stood out to me. He doesn't want the team to split up and he instinctively knows that something is not right. Shows his natural compassion and love for his brothers. I really hope they keep going like this, It's showing that the turtles are maturing.

Well...maybe not Raph, but that's debatable :twink:

I noticed that scene as well, one of the few moments I actually liked in this episode.

I felt they struck a perfect balance with Mikey in "Revenge of the Triceratons." And he was the only positive note in yesterday's episode for me.

[shredder orokusaki]

That was actually my first consideration, but I'm putting it aside for now.

If he is not a alien bug in a robot then what is it? A robot that someone else created? But who and why?

[neatoman]

I still don't understand what they did with Dregg, especially since they showed him eating worms as well as trying to eat Don in the very same episode.

I thought at the end of the episode they would show a scene of the villain like they usually do with past episodes, but no, the ep ended and we didn't see what became of him.

Come to think of it, his "head" must have been covering his robot head, there's no way he could have swallowed Donnie the way he did.

[FlawedCoil82]

Man...Casey is getting on my nerves so darn bad. I was glad when Raph got after him when he was about to say "that is so metal!". Ugh! Enough with the "that is so metal" saying! The kid looks like he would believe 30 Seconds To Mars was "metal".

I also feel like Donatello is clearly the weakest turtle of the four. He is usually the first to get injured. It seemed like in the earlier seasons he was a much more competent fighter than he is now.

And like everyone else, I am very confused about Dregg's robot head. Why would he eat worms and try to eat Don if he is a robot? Full body shots of Dregg have shown that he is somewhat transparent since you can see that there are "anomalies" floating around inside him. :ohwell:

[The Happy One]

Man...Casey is getting on my nerves so darn bad. I was glad when Raph got after him when he was about to say "that is so metal!". Ugh! Enough with the "that is so metal" saying! The kid looks like he would believe 30 Seconds To Mars was "metal".

I also feel like Donatello is clearly the weakest turtle of the four. He is usually the first to get injured. It seemed like in the earlier seasons he was a much more competent fighter than he is now.

And like everyone else, I am very confused about Dregg's robot head. Why would he eat worms and try to eat Don if he is a robot? Full body shots of Dregg have shown that he is somewhat transparent since you can see that there are "anomalies" floating around inside him. :ohwell:

I agree...though I wouldn't say weakest...

It's just- well this season anyway- seems to toss him about. Like, he says one line then disappears somewhere else. I don't know...it just feels like a select few number of writers really know what to do with him. Like Peter...he writes him well. Some others-? It just feels like he's there for comic relief by means of getting nearly killed somehow:trolleye:

In fact, while this ep did give me quite a few laughs...it feels like there should be more background action going on. For instance, while a character's going on and on about something...we should see some characters interacting in the background. That way it doesn't feel...dry. But what do I know??

Overall, though...it was a decent ep. I guess Mona and Raph- in this show- don't click for me. I like Mona...but there was just something about them together- or maybe it was just Raph- that wouldn't...work.

I was talking with my bro and he thought it would've been neat if they had this tension between each other and Raph just...really admired her fighting and whatnot...

Maybe if they didn't kick it off right from the start with them kissing and all that and then in this episode had them starting to like each other-?? Who knows.

It was awful or anything. But it didn't feel natural either. :ohwell:

And Casey was god awful. Sorry, but it's like he's either good or he's terribly obnoxious. I know he's supposed to be a seventeen year old boy and all but- god- he's getting bothersome.
Real downgrade in his character from last episode.


Otherwise, the animation was splendid! April, as usual, was pretty awesome with her powers and...ugh, poor Don...he tries his best but, man, do these writers like him as the butt of a joke.

Overall 6/10 for this one.

By the way, did anyone find out yet what Dregg being a robot was?? Was it explained?

[matteso586]

Dreg's conversation with Mona and Sal Commander. He's an evil ganglord, what do they expect?

[Splinter the boss]

Maybe it was a decoy, maybe that is what the creators want. Armaggon was swallowed by that beast, so maybe Dregg thought he was outnumbered and left that decoy to buy him time to escape.

And, maybe he'll come back in season 5 when he flies his ship to earth for revenge. The turtles will be surprised that he hound his way to their earth.

[The Happy One]

Maybe it was a decoy, maybe that is what the creators want. Armaggon was swallowed by that beast, so maybe Dregg thought he was outnumbered and left that decoy to buy him time to escape.

And, maybe he'll come back in season 5 when he flies his ship to earth for revenge. The turtles will be surprised that he hound his way to their earth.

Hmm...good point.:D

Yeah, I wasn't sure if I missed something or if it just hasn't been explained yet. Thank you, though. That's a really good theory:tthumbsu:

[Penst0ck]

Dreg's conversation with Mona and Sal Commander. He's an evil ganglord, what do they expect?

Well to put it bluntly, Dregg made the Salamandrians his bitches/had them by the balls. They really didn't have a choice but to hang on his word that he'd leave their planet alone. It would be negligible to just tell him to suck it because they figure he would just screw them over anyway.

But yeah, for a race that is weary of those out side their kind, they seem to think everyone has some form of honor to them, until proven otherwise. Such as their attempt to work with the Kraang and believe Dregg keeping his word. They seem to be learning the hard way.

[cryan]

I agree...though I wouldn't say weakest...

It's just- well this season anyway- seems to toss him about. Like, he says one line then disappears somewhere else. I don't know...it just feels like a select few number of writers really know what to do with him. Like Peter...he writes him well. Some others-? It just feels like he's there for comic relief by means of getting nearly killed somehow:trolleye:

In fact, while this ep did give me quite a few laughs...it feels like there should be more background action going on. For instance, while a character's going on and on about something...we should see some characters interacting in the background. That way it doesn't feel...dry. But what do I know??

Overall, though...it was a decent ep. I guess Mona and Raph- in this show- don't click for me. I like Mona...but there was just something about them together- or maybe it was just Raph- that wouldn't...work.

I was talking with my bro and he thought it would've been neat if they had this tension between each other and Raph just...really admired her fighting and whatnot...

Maybe if they didn't kick it off right from the start with them kissing and all that and then in this episode had them starting to like each other-?? Who knows.

It was awful or anything. But it didn't feel natural either. :ohwell:

And Casey was god awful. Sorry, but it's like he's either good or he's terribly obnoxious. I know he's supposed to be a seventeen year old boy and all but- god- he's getting bothersome.
Real downgrade in his character from last episode.


Otherwise, the animation was splendid! April, as usual, was pretty awesome with her powers and...ugh, poor Don...he tries his best but, man, do these writers like him as the butt of a joke.

Overall 6/10 for this one.

By the way, did anyone find out yet what Dregg being a robot was?? Was it explained?

I think the Dregg robot was just a rouse. Looks like we might see him again. Casey can be annoying but I tend to tune him out. I am just not digging the new Mona Lisa being from an alien lizard race. Not the cute salamander we knew back in 1990. I really was not a huge fan of her redesign. glad she's in there but I would have done it a lot differently. Interesting about the back stabbing(back shelling) Sal Commander and Mona did though they were hoping to save their planet. Then both of them get double crossed by Dregg. Overall a good episode.

[JH24]

Maybe it was a decoy, maybe that is what the creators want. Armaggon was swallowed by that beast, so maybe Dregg thought he was outnumbered and left that decoy to buy him time to escape.

And, maybe he'll come back in season 5 when he flies his ship to earth for revenge. The turtles will be surprised that he hound his way to their earth.

I'm inclined to believe as well it was a decoy, although I'm not sure Dregg was feeling worried about being outnumbered considering he had that scorpion robot and a huge army at his disposal.

I still feel that it was Fugitoid with his fusion cannon that made Dregg a bit nervous, and made him decide it was not worth it going after them risking himself. I just can't believe Dregg himself is a robot, considering how he tried to eat Donatello, ate some other stuff, and other things we've seen with his body like transparancy or those little "worms" going through it. It just can't be possible there's a robot skeleton underneath his skin and yet still being able to do all those things..

If the real Dregg did stay behind he might have freed Armaggon, who knows.

[victory_angel]

He was rescued before by Dregg, but now he is in the Sarlacc, where he will be slowly digested over the course of a thousand years. And Dregg probably will have no desire to rescue him from there since he is convinced that Armaggon threw that thing at him.


While not seen in the Star Wars movie, Boba Fett actually escaped the Sarlacc's stomach in the expanded universe. Lucas himself even contemplated adding a scene in Return of the Jedi where Boba climbed out of the sarlacc pit, especially in light of the character's story in Attack of the Clones, but ultimately decided against it.


I believe it's likely we are to see Armaggon again later on. With or without Dregg.

[CyberCubed]

Come to think of it Dregg was kinda out of character in this episode, "Go, Dregg go?!" so maybe it was a fake robot version of him?

Or maybe the one at the beginning of the ep was real but the one who chased the Turtles on the back of that giant bug at the end was a robot?

[victory_angel]

I agree...though I wouldn't say weakest...

It's just- well this season anyway- seems to toss him about. Like, he says one line then disappears somewhere else. I don't know...it just feels like a select few number of writers really know what to do with him. Like Peter...he writes him well. Some others-? It just feels like he's there for comic relief by means of getting nearly killed somehow:trolleye:


I wouldn't call him the weakest either. Throughout this season so far, Don's mostly been the background. In stories when a character is about to undergo a figurative transformation or change somewhere in the story. They are at times relegated to the background or disabled in some way.

A good example of this is in the third season of Yu Yu Hakusho was when Kuwabara, the only real human of the four spirit detectives loses his Spiritual Awareness for a good chunk of the season.

Because of this the other Spirit Detectives sort of relegate him to the Non-fighters. Until their teacher Genkai tells them that Kuwabara's powers didn't go away, it had gone into a dormant state to prepare for the abilities that were just beginning to awaken in him.

With Don, I think this change would be of a more of personal nature in this case. While Don is considered the least violent of the four of them. He is stronger in other areas where his brothers are not, and at times has used reason and diplomacy to solve an issue rather than brute force. Such as time they were fighting Big Foot, only to realize she was attacking them because she was scared.

But at the same time, there are also moments where it seems he's holding himself back.
In a podcast I was recording with SSJup, we were discussing Donnie's that point and we described it as being similar to Mikey.

Mikey's problem is that he has more raw talent than all three of his brothers combined but can never reach his full potential because he doesn't focus.

Donnie's problem is similar in scope. But he's holding an aspect of himself back because he is afraid that the others would either think less if not outright reject him as part of their team because of it. But he's not effective as a fighter because he is denying a part of himself that is becoming more and more imperative as things progress.


Leo did bluff for Don's absence when Dregg had noticed he had only three of the Turtles, not four of them. And Mona also had chosen to keep silent about the fact that Don and April had returned to the ship with the Fugitoid. After all, both Sal Commander and Monalisa had betrayed the Turtles to save their home world. She easily could have informed Dregg of this when she believed Salamandria was at stake.

[Papenbrook]

This episode...

This episode was horrible. I'm sorry.

Casey was so idiotic and annoying - it's not funny. There was gross-out humor almost everywhere. Ramona was absolutely unbearable for me. And to top it all off, Dregg was a robot...

I just... can't anymore... http://i.imgur.com/hbNJ6C0.png

[VaughnMichael]

This episode was rather confusing as others have stated but it was probably one of my favorites this season.
It was so visually stunning.:teek:

[Prototype]

Great ep! I loved it, think I'm gonna watch it again just about now :P

[TurFlytle]

Come to think of it Dregg was kinda out of character in this episode, "Go, Dregg go?!" so maybe it was a fake robot version of him?

Or maybe the one at the beginning of the ep was real but the one who chased the Turtles on the back of that giant bug at the end was a robot?

Apparently not, I re-watched the episode and paid attention to Dregg's head. It was clearly visible at the beginning of the episode. EDIT: When Dregg ate Donnie, his head just went through the robot head.

[IndigoErth]

Pretty strong episode, been a while since I've been left wondering what happens next.

Not sure how Raph can forgive such a betrayal that quickly, even if what they did was out of desperation to save their own world. Refreshing to see him just go berserk like that though.

Yes, Casey, you can stop with the "metal" thing now. (Just like Mikey can stop with that screaming he does in some episodes.)

[aliena]

So, so bad. I cringed when Mona showed up. Not only is she not what I imagined for Raph, the constant kissing and lovey dovey stuff is getting ridiculous. Are they allowed to kiss and talk romantically with each other because she is an alien and Karai and April are not, fully anyway.

It is weird to see how Leo takes Raph's relationship with Mona. He seems against it somehow even though Raph has been there for Leo the whole time he's been dealing with losing Karai. Now the tables have turned and Leo doesn't seem as there for Raph. I understand Leo expecting Raph to fight in that situation, but it takes Mikey to remind him that Raph has been hurt? Why has Leo forgotten the pain of what happened to him with Karai?

And how many times is Don going to react with stupid hearts in his eyes when April kisses him? I don't know how many times she's kissed him, but it's enough by now that he should be used to it. Why can't they just talk about how they feel? Donnie had that one shot a few seasons ago until she blocked him and look how far he's come since then, nowhere.

Anyway, not to get off on a shipper tangent. Casey has got to be killed off or kidnapped and brainwashed to be a different person. That is not Casey and I can't even look at him anymore. What a wasted character.

I sure miss the good ol' days when the show was amazing. Sad to see it go so downhill. All filler episodes anymore really. Don't get me wrong, I still love the turtles. Mikey has improved a lot lately, and April has been great in space, but I'm ready for them to get home now.

[The Happy One]

So, so bad. I cringed when Mona showed up. Not only is she not what I imagined for Raph, the constant kissing and lovey dovey stuff is getting ridiculous. Are they allowed to kiss and talk romantically with each other because she is an alien and Karai and April are not, fully anyway.

It is weird to see how Leo takes Raph's relationship with Mona. He seems against it somehow even though Raph has been there for Leo the whole time he's been dealing with losing Karai. Now the tables have turned and Leo doesn't seem as there for Raph. I understand Leo expecting Raph to fight in that situation, but it takes Mikey to remind him that Raph has been hurt? Why has Leo forgotten the pain of what happened to him with Karai?

And how many times is Don going to react with stupid hearts in his eyes when April kisses him? I don't know how many times she's kissed him, but it's enough by now that he should be used to it. Why can't they just talk about how they feel? Donnie had that one shot a few seasons ago until she blocked him and look how far he's come since then, nowhere.

Anyway, not to get off on a shipper tangent. Casey has got to be killed off or kidnapped and brainwashed to be a different person. That is not Casey and I can't even look at him anymore. What a wasted character.

I sure miss the good ol' days when the show was amazing. Sad to see it go so downhill. All filler episodes anymore really. Don't get me wrong, I still love the turtles. Mikey has improved a lot lately, and April has been great in space, but I'm ready for them to get home now.

Maybe it's the homesickness gettin' to them:lol:

While I was a little confused as to why Don still gets all heart eyes when April kisses him- it didn't last...I mean, I see couples, even from my own experience...that when you love someone, like that- when it's young and even older,- some things still make a person's heart flutter. So I was cool with that. It wasn't heavy or too much. That's just me.

As for Casey...like I said. If the writer is terrific at characterization then he's fine (ie: Casey Jones vs The Underworld). You look at an episode like that and go, 'hey, Casey's pretty cool!'

But, others like this one seem to harbor this twisted belief that Casey is supposed to be this overly obnoxious kid who has no other emotions and is the living, breathing paradigm of the Lego Movie's 'Everything is Awesome' song.:trolleye:

And it shouldn't bother me that much by now, really. But when you get episodes like last week's that was pretty much one point concerning characterization (specifically with Jones) and then you hop on over to another the next week that just...tears him down to a superficial carbon-copy of your average, cliche, male, teenage character-? It frustrates me.:tgrumble:

And, again, to all you Ramona (that's what they call it, right?) fans out there- no disrespect. It floats your boat? That's a-okay!

But as for me? I don't think I'll be boarding this ship.


Anyway, now that off my chest- again- I'm going to go enjoy my dinner and immerse myself in IDW comics where Casey is not a complete dolt and Raph has a pretty, nicely paced relationship with Alopex.

[victory_angel]

I like Vicky and Red Worlds views about the moment where Mikey looking back could be seen as subtle foreshadowing of Dark April. And it made perfect sense.
I know Mikey's ninja senses aren't always used, but when they are they are a big deal.

When Don is stung and has to go back to the ship. Leo says "Hang on, Don. The rest of us will go save Sal Commander" before everyone continues on their way to Dregg's fortress while Don is being carried back to the ship by April and the Fugatoid. Only Mikey hangs back a few extra moments and watches their brother go as though he senses something is wrong, but he isn't certain as to what as of yet.

With Mom-Thing, Mikey sensed something was up and he even tried to warn his brothers that April's mother was not what she said she was. But the Turtles didn't know her as a person and they didn't want to believe Mikey's concerns because this was a big deal to April. It's rather hard to say "So glad you were able to see your mom again, but we believe she may actually be an alien Kraang monster." Without sounding insulting.

But as April is their friend, and someone they respect as one of their own. So this is something Mikey would have to be absolutely certain of before he takes his concerns to his bros. And even then he's more likely to take it to Leo and Raph first rather then to Donnie.


However later in the episode when Dregg notices he has only three of the Turtles, not four he demands to know where the other Turtle is. Leo then bluffs and says "He's across the galaxy, Donatello will be bringing an army of 100 salamandrian Warriors with him. Nothing stops, Donatello." I know Leo was mostly bluffing to protect his remaining brothers where abouts. But does anyone get any foreshadowing from Leo's "Nothing stops, Donatello." statement.

[NoName999]

Look on the bright side, guys:

One more episode of the space arc. Thank God.

[CyberCubed]

The majority of the space arc has been quite good. In fact despite it being 13 episodes it literally flew by.

[Darth Knuckles]

I thought this episode was quite good. I understand Raph feeling the way he did after Mona Lisa's betrayal. It would have been better had they known each other for a longer period of time, but Raph and Mona Lisa fell for each other pretty quickly so I can get past that. I loved all of the Star Wars and Alien references in this episode too.

It was great to see Raph go crazy at the end and fight really mad and tough. It was great to see Raph get over his fear of bugs, twice now, and defeat the mutated Spy-Roach and Lord Dregg. Lord Dregg being a robot though? I agree with others here that if that were the case, it's hard to also accept him half eating Donnie earlier in the episode. Unless he did swap himself out with a robot version of himself later, that's a hard sell. Looking forward to any kind of future explanation on that though.

[Redworld96]

I like Vicky and Red Worlds views about the moment where Mikey looking back could be seen as subtle foreshadowing of Dark April. And it made perfect sense.
I know Mikey's ninja senses aren't always used, but when they are they are a big deal.

When Don is stung and has to go back to the ship. Leo says "Hang on, Don. The rest of us will go save Sal Commander" before everyone continues on their way to Dregg's fortress while Don is being carried back to the ship by April and the Fugatoid. Only Mikey hangs back a few extra moments and watches their brother go as though he senses something is wrong, but he isn't certain as to what as of yet.

With Mom-Thing, Mikey sensed something was up and he even tried to warn his brothers that April's mother was not what she said she was. But the Turtles didn't know her as a person and they didn't want to believe Mikey's concerns because this was a big deal to April. It's rather hard to say "So glad you were able to see your mom again, but we believe she may actually be an alien Kraang monster." Without sounding insulting.

But as April is their friend, and someone they respect as one of their own. So this is something Mikey would have to be absolutely certain of before he takes his concerns to his bros. And even then he's more likely to take it to Leo and Raph first rather then to Donnie.


However later in the episode when Dregg notices he has only three of the Turtles, not four he demands to know where the other Turtle is. Leo then bluffs and says "He's across the galaxy, Donatello will be bringing an army of 100 salamandrian Warriors with him. Nothing stops, Donatello." I know Leo was mostly bluffing to protect his remaining brothers where abouts. But does anyone get any foreshadowing from Leo's "Nothing stops, Donatello." statement.

So did you read my theory on tumblr? :D
Some people say that it was only Mikey being worried about Donnie, and I agree with that, but I also think there is something more. I am expecting a Dark April episode at least, and when I remembered the Buried Secrets episode, I thought Mikey was acting in the same way in the last episode.
It's just my point of view anyway ....
If someone wants to read the theory: http://redworld96.tumblr.com/post/142594121958/something-that-really-took-my-attention-in-this

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I thought this episode was pretty good with some bad parts.

I like the angle that Mona had to betray Raphael to save her planet. Though I wish they would have talked about the fact the Dregg was a robot all along.

[victory_angel]

So did you read my theory on tumblr? :D
Some people say that it was only Mikey being worried about Donnie, and I agree with that, but I also think there is something more. I am expecting a Dark April episode at least, and when I remembered the Buried Secrets episode, I thought Mikey was acting in the same way in the last episode.
Just my point of view anyway ....
If someone wants to read the theory: http://redworld96.tumblr.com/post/142594121958/something-that-really-took-my-attention-in-this

I also thought the way April was smiling at Donnie when she said "I thought I lost you for a moment there!" She seemed somwhat sinister.

In the fungus humongous episode we know the fears were

April-bats
Casey-rats
Raph- roaches and bugs in general
Mikey- squirrels
Donnie- fear of April rejecting him and losing her to Casey
Leo-effectiveness as a leader.

We know Casey and Mikey have more or less gotten over their fears. April it's unknown if she has gotten over her fear. Raph is still freaked out by bugs but is able to confront his fears...particularly for those he loves.

Leo is still struggling with his fear and may always will, after all he is young and has five lives in addition to his own to protect. And yes in the pursuit of doing the right thing you sometimes make decisions that you feel are right at the time without the opportunity to second guess yourself. And deal with the consequences that arise because of it.

Donnie is the only one who hasn't gotten over his fear. He still loves April, he has seemingly accepted he may have lost her to casey, but prefers to be part of her life then lose her completely.

One of the things April does in hisnightmare vision is that she sticks out her tongue and breaks his heart. So it will make sense for the dark April plot to begin with April leading Donnie on...before crushing him emotionally, mentally, and maybe physically.

Kinda like how beastboy was crushed when terra betrayed the teen titans

[Chabrendeki]

However later in the episode when Dregg notices he has only three of the Turtles, not four he demands to know where the other Turtle is. Leo then bluffs and says "He's across the galaxy, Donatello will be bringing an army of 100 salamandrian Warriors with him. Nothing stops, Donatello." I know Leo was mostly bluffing to protect his remaining brothers where abouts. But does anyone get any foreshadowing from Leo's "Nothing stops, Donatello." statement.

That was an Indiana Jones reference, wasn't it?

[myconius]

It was an okay episode. I don't have much to say. The shipping stuff was mostly bearable but I got tired of it fast.
Raph and Mona have known each other how long? And they're already in love?
I can chock that up to dramatic teen relationships.
A couple funny jokes, but not one that I remembered.
Easily the best part was when Raph went berserk. From all the downplayed ninja action this season, it feels like I haven't seen something like that for a looooooong time.
I still hate how April only shoots a gun. What was the point of that multi-season story of her becoming a kunoichi if she never uses her skills?! In one of the last episodes of her training, she was even sparring with Leo!
7/10

yeah Raph has become a pretty weak character.

[THGhost]

Watched this and Ep 11 together. Pretty fun episode. Love what The Fugitoid can do now.

[TMNTInsighter]

I like Vicky and Red Worlds views about the moment where Mikey looking back could be seen as subtle foreshadowing of Dark April. And it made perfect sense.
...

I think you guys have been misinterpreting that scene from "Riddle of the Ancient Aeons", I really do. It's most likely that the shard will play a part--if not a large one--in the last stand for Earth.
It would also be a nice story touch if it happened that way since it was April who convinced everyone to rescue the Aeons rather than go after the Triceratons. The shard they gave her would, in turn, rescue her planet and its inhabitants from their fate.

[victory_angel]

I think you guys have been misinterpreting that scene from "Riddle of the Ancient Aeons", I really do. It's most likely that the shard will play a part--if not a large one--in the last stand for Earth.
It would also be a nice story touch if it happened that way since it was April who convinced everyone to rescue the Aeons rather than go after the Triceratons. The shard they gave her would, in turn, rescue her planet and its inhabitants from their fate.

Auman had been rather surprised when I had asked about the likelyhood of a Dark April plot last year.

While I don't doubt the shard will be used in Earth's last stand. I don't think it will be the thing that ultimately stops the BHG.

There is also the plot point that Fugatoid is essentially a walking talking bomb.

The secret Honeycutt logically would have is that he is the creator of the Heart of Darkness. As Tarris Vaal has pointed out, for a pacifist Honeycutt is surprisingly lethal.

While pacifists do fight from time to time, they typically look for ways in which conflict can be avoided.

And in the 2k3 version of the TMNT franchise the Fugatoid has chosen to sacrifice himself to save Earth from those who would use abuse his knowledge.

He tells the Turtles he became a robot after the Triceraton's approached him about building a weapon, which he refused. And then later in Arena of Carnage, Zanraman threatens Honeycutt that the Turtles would die a horrible death if he doesn't create the Heart of Darkness for him.

[TMNTInsighter]

I'm still holding out hope that the secret will involve the events of "Annihilation Earth" being the result of time being tampered with and that this has all been to set things back on course. Honeycutt being the inventor of the BHG (unless it revolves around what was just mentioned) would be too obvious but also rather unfitting, mainly when you look back at "The Arena of Carnage."

[oldmanwinters]

Donnie is the only one who hasn't gotten over his fear. He still loves April, he has seemingly accepted he may have lost her to casey, but prefers to be part of her life then lose her completely.

One of the things April does in hisnightmare vision is that she sticks out her tongue and breaks his heart. So it will make sense for the dark April plot to begin with April leading Donnie on...before crushing him emotionally, mentally, and maybe physically.

Wouldn't it be interesting to see the Nick toon reference the IDW "Death of Donatello" story line but have April be the one who forces him into a temporary body? :teek:

[DVD]

Another great episode in this amazing season.
I'll be sad to see them leave outer space. Visually this has been outstanding.
This week, the highlight for me was the giant scorpion attacking the gang. Brilliant concept and executed beautifully.

All in all, another 25 minutes of fun .

[The Happy One]

Wouldn't it be interesting to see the Nick toon reference the IDW "Death of Donatello" story line but have April be the one who forces him into a temporary body? :teek:

Duuude! I always thought of that! Well, since we found out about this Dark April plot to come. It would be pretty cool:D And kinda sad...

[DarkLightDragon]

Can't really see Nick doing it nearly as brutally graphic as IDW did, but it's admittedly a pleasant thought for the series to actually try again in being dramatic and sticking to it despite there might little-ton-no consequences for doing something so dark.

[Mona_Lisa]

The Raph / Mona Lisa thing wasn't as bad in this episode if you ask me...
Although I still prefer the original Mona Lisa to this new one.

Yeah, Raph is an emotional guy.


I get that Raph is the emotional one, but normally if Raph gets emotional he gets violent and in this case he seriously failed to show any concern for his family.
At least he sort of gets over it and is angry for a little bit until Mona says the three magic words! I love you, lol!
I really liked Raph going crazy at the end and knocking Dregg's head off! Super cool, but Dregg's a Robot? No way!



I've noticed that Mikey has been awesome this season. He seems more focus, he hasn't made any mistakes.

He's been amazing these last few episode. Last week he saved April, killed some of those gremlins, he supported and cheered Donnie up. This week, he saved April again, killed some bugs, he was concerned for Donie and he was being protective over Raph when Leo was annoyed at him.

I hope his amazing moments continues.

I have noticed this too, I'm really enjoying Mikey's character a whole lot more now days.
I really liked how he defended Raph and his squishy heart,*Squish* But I still felt it appropriate for Leo to be telling Raph to get it together. ( Seriously, get angry).

The Dregg reveal was weird. We see a whole planet of insect people, we see him eat, and his whole body looked like flesh.

I don't know what to make of it. Maybe it'll be more clear the next time Dregg appears.
I can't get over Dregg being a robot, he nearly ate Donny!


i liked it. i really expected the robot head to open up and we find out dregg was a little cockroach.
Lol, it would be a typical Nickelodeon plot, Like Plankton popping out of one of his oversized robots. What would Raph do though?:lol:


I am just not digging the new Mona Lisa being from an alien lizard race. Not the cute salamander we knew back in 1990. I really was not a huge fan of her redesign. glad she's in there but I would have done it a lot differently.
This is pretty much how I feel too.

Duuude! I always thought of that! Well, since we found out about this Dark April plot to come. It would be pretty cool:D And kinda sad...


I totally missed Something, what is all this dark April stuff I have been seeing???

Anyway, while space turtles isn't my favorite arc, it is so much better than when they were at the farm house, I don't want to complain to much.

[Powder]

The Raph / Mona Lisa thing wasn't as bad in this episode if you ask me...

Glaring bitterly at your name, avatar, & sig, I mumble "You don't say..."

[Prototype]

About Dregg being a robot...maybe it was the only way that the writers could get away with Raph punching Dregg's head off.

Still weird that both the Dregg head and the robot head talks after Raph's sucker punch.

[Mona_Lisa]

Glaring bitterly at your name, avatar, & sig, I mumble "You don't say..."

That is hilarious!:tlol: I chose the name Mona Lisa because Raph is my favorite turtle, and I loved her OT episode.
I'm not necessary a fan of the new Mona, I preferred the cute one. But a friend made that signature for me.:tgrin:

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Ignore what Powder just said, ML. He's kind of bitter when it comes to shipping of any kind in TMNT. Even when it makes sense and adds to the story or character. :trolleye: *cough Ninjara, cough*

[Powder]

Ignore it? I've already been replied to, & with smiles, as she can tell I'm just messing around.

Don't speak for me. I have no problem with any canon/legitimate TMNT romances except this one (& really only as of this episode, at that).

[DarkFell]

Finally got to watch the episode this morning. The temporary alliance thing that Mona had with Dregg was unsettling, but I'm glad that she atoned for it.

The scene with Fugitoid showing us the device that contained the anti-venom cure for Donnie made me crack a smile, but I can also understand why he would be afraid of that device.