James Cameron working on a new Terminator movie

[NinjaPug]

With Tim Miller set to direct.

EXCLUSIVE: He’ll be back! James Cameron, who regains certain rights to his prized creation The Terminator in 2019, is godfathering a new iteration of the film that might finally get it right in drawing a close in the battle between humans and Skynet. Sources said that Cameron, whose copyright reversion happens 35 years after the release of the 1984 classic, is in early talks with Deadpool director and VFX wiz Tim Miller to direct a reboot and conclusion of one of cinema’s great science fiction tales. David Ellison, whose Skydance co-financed Terminator Genisys, is bankrolling an exploratory effort that includes engaging some top-flight science fiction authors to find the movie creatively. Ellison still holds many Terminator rights, after his 2013 acquisition from sister and Annapurna principal Megan Ellison. She bought them in 2011 at Cannes for $20 million.

This is the latest development in an ongoing saga. Indeed, The Terminator might have endured the craziest road of any billion dollar movie franchise, going back to when Cameron — who only had Piranha 2 under his belt as director — sold the rights to his scripted project for $1 to producer Gale Ann Hurd, with the stipulation he could not be fired as director. The result was a 1984 sci-fi classic, that launched his star and that of Arnold Schwarzenegger. Cameron came back and topped himself to write and direct he blockbuster Terminator 2: Judgment Day, but he washed his hands of the property after that. He mentioned to producers Mario Kassar and Andy Vajna his plans to buy the rights back from Carolco bankruptcy. They beat him to the punch, figuring he would still participate, but Cameron responded by walking away. He didn’t participate in the three films that followed, or the TV show The Sarah Connor Chronicles. The rights ended up with Pacificor, which paid $29.5 million, and Megan Ellison bought them after that company floundered. Cameron has had zero involvement since then, and has largely been silent. The exception was on the last picture, Terminator Genisys. Perhaps because his old buddy and True Lies star Schwarzenegger had returned as the title character, Cameron was generous in his assessment, reportedly saying that the Alan Taylor-directed film had reinvigorated and created a renaissance for the franchise.

Audiences disagreed and the franchise seemed out of gas when the $155 million grossed $440 million worldwide, but didn’t do nearly well enough in the U.S. Perhaps Cameron was foreshadowing his own future return to the franchise. Much the way that Sony used to rush Spider-Man movies to stay ahead of a rights reversion ticking clock, it was always known that Cameron would regain clout eventually. It didn’t seem that Skydance or Paramount had much interest continuing the creative track of the last film, but real creative involvement by Cameron, even if he doesn’t direct, changes the whole ballgame. One only has to look at Aliens, True Lies, Titanic or Avatar to see what he is capable of creatively when he puts his mind to something.

I don’t know anything more than I’ve disclosed here, including whether they reboot the whole thing or pick up from where Cameron left off after the second film. I’ve heard the hope is for Miller to direct whatever they come up with. Cameron is booked for four Avatar sequels, to shoot two at a time. No comment from any of the involved parties.

http://deadline.com/2017/01/terminator-james-cameron-deadpool-tim-miller-david-ellison-skydance-1201890848/

[CyberCubed]

Would be nice to have a good solid movie to end the franchise with, but my god this series has had so many "second chances" now its gotten ridiculous.

[TigerClaw]

Would be nice to have a good solid movie to end the franchise with, but my god this series has had so many "second chances" now its gotten ridiculous.
I would like to see the next film take place completly in 2029, about John Connor and the resistance finally taking down Skynet.

[Spike Spiegel]

I'm still waiting on his "Battle Angel" adaptation.

Terminator 3 was underrated and the Sarah Connor Chronicles was the best thing to come out of the franchise since T2.

[Wildcat]

So they're totally ignoring Genisys? I've never fully understood if it was a sequel or it was intended to ignore the first 4 movies but I really enjoyed it.

I don't see why they'd do a reboot it if Cameron wants to do an ending though.

[Bry]

Forget Schwarzenegger.... bring back Linda Hamilton.

[NinjaPug]

I'm still waiting on his "Battle Angel" adaptation.

Terminator 3 was underrated and the Sarah Connor Chronicles was the best thing to come out of the franchise since T2.

Battle Angel is coming out July 2018. Unfortunately Cameron is only producing - Robert Rodriguez is directing,

[sdp]

So you have tons of different continuities..

T1-T2-T3
T1-T2-T:Sarah Conner Chronicles
T1-T2-T:Salvation
T1-T2-T:Genysis (or does Genysis remake T1/2?)
T1-T2-T:untitled cameron sequel?

That's pretty confusing, I remember trying to put T3 and SCC in continuity with each other since there's a few references to T3 in the SCC show and I guess Salvation can occur in everything since it's a prequel/sequel whatever way you want to look at it and I didn't even watch Genysis so I never understood if it was supposed to override the first two movies or just ignore the rest. I haven't seen any of the movies since I was a kid basically and 3 when I was a teen but I guess I should marathon them and one day make a convoluted single timeline full of retcons to make things fit. Which is fitting since T2 the sequel everyone accepts started with a retcon and changed how time travel worked in the first movie.
T1-T2-TGenysis-TSCC-TS
The sad thing is that everything after T2 finishes with a cliffhanger so no matter what this franchise never has a good end.

Isn't the Highlander franchise similarly confusing?

[Andrew NDB]

So you have tons of different continuities..

T1-T2-T3
T1-T2-T:Sarah Conner Chronicles
T1-T2-T:Salvation
T1-T2-T:Genysis (or does Genysis remake T1/2?)
T1-T2-T:untitled cameron sequel?

That's pretty confusing, I remember trying to put T3 and SCC in continuity with each other since there's a few references to T3 in the SCC show and I guess Salvation can occur in everything since it's a prequel/sequel whatever way you want to look at it and I didn't even watch Genysis so I never understood if it was supposed to override the first two movies or just ignore the rest. I haven't seen any of the movies since I was a kid basically and 3 when I was a teen but I guess I should marathon them and one day make a convoluted single timeline full of retcons to make things fit. Which is fitting since T2 the sequel everyone accepts started with a retcon and changed how time travel worked in the first movie.
T1-T2-TGenysis-TSCC-TS
The sad thing is that everything after T2 finishes with a cliffhanger so no matter what this franchise never has a good end.

The way I interpreted it...

Original timeline:
1985 - Sarah Connor gives birth to John Connor
1997 - Judgement Day
2029 - SkyNET loses, sends T-800 to 1984, TechCOM sends Kyle Reese to 1984

Altered Timeline 1:
1984 - T-800 is destroyed, Kyle Reese dies
1985 - Sarah Connor gives birth to John Connor
1997 - Judgement Day
2029 - SkyNET loses, sends T-1000 to 1995, TechCOM sends a T-800 to 1995

Altered Timeline 2:
1984 - T-800 is destroyed, Kyle Reese dies
1985 - Sarah Connor gives birth to John Connor
1995 - T-1000 is destroyed, T-800 is destroyed.
1997 - Judgement Day does not occur
2004 - Judgement Day
2032 - SkyNET loses, sends T-X to 2004, TechCOM sends a T-850 to 2004

Altered Timeline 3:
1984 - T-800 is destroyed, Kyle Reese dies
1985 - Sarah Connor gives birth to John Connor
1995 - T-1000 is destroyed, T-800 is destroyed.
1997 - Judgement Day does not occur
2004 - T-X is destroyed (but not before uploading information about the future into SkyNET), T-850 is destroyed. Judgement Day
2018 - A SkyNET post is destroyed (Salvation)
2029 - SkyNET loses (but now is armed with information from the T-X from 2004), sends T-800 to the 70s and a T-1000 to 1984, TechCOM sends a T-800 to the 70s

Altered Timeline 4:
197X - Sarah Connor's parents are killed by a T-800
1984 - T-800 is destroyed, T-1000 is destroyed, Kyle Reese lives, Sarah and Kyle time-travel to 2017
1997 - Judgement Day does not occur
2004 - Judgement Day does not occur
XXXX - John Connor is made into a T-3000
2017 - The T-3000 is destroyed

And... that's kind of where we're at. It all works.


Isn't the Highlander franchise similarly confusing?

Eh, slightly... H1 and H3 happened exactly the way they appeared, except you just have to mentally retcon that no Prize was won and they aren't the last Immortals in either movie. Then they work just fine with the series and H4. H5, take it or leave it (most leave it). H2 doesn't exist, nor should it.

[TigerClaw]

The way I interpreted it...

Original timeline:
1985 - Sarah Connor gives birth to John Connor
1997 - Judgement Day
2029 - SkyNET loses, sends T-800 to 1984, TechCOM sends Kyle Reese to 1984

Altered Timeline 1:
1984 - T-800 is destroyed, Kyle Reese dies
1985 - Sarah Connor gives birth to John Connor
1997 - Judgement Day
2029 - SkyNET loses, sends T-1000 to 1995, TechCOM sends a T-800 to 1995

Altered Timeline 2:
1984 - T-800 is destroyed, Kyle Reese dies
1985 - Sarah Connor gives birth to John Connor
1995 - T-1000 is destroyed, T-800 is destroyed.
1997 - Judgement Day does not occur
2004 - Judgement Day
2032 - SkyNET loses, sends T-X to 2004, TechCOM sends a T-850 to 2004

Altered Timeline 3:
1984 - T-800 is destroyed, Kyle Reese dies
1985 - Sarah Connor gives birth to John Connor
1995 - T-1000 is destroyed, T-800 is destroyed.
1997 - Judgement Day does not occur
2004 - T-X is destroyed (but not before uploading information about the future into SkyNET), T-850 is destroyed. Judgement Day
2018 - A SkyNET post is destroyed (Salvation)
2029 - SkyNET loses (but now is armed with information from the T-X from 2004), sends T-800 to the 70s and a T-1000 to 1984, TechCOM sends a T-800 to the 70s

Altered Timeline 4:
197X - Sarah Connor's parents are killed by a T-800
1984 - T-800 is destroyed, T-1000 is destroyed, Kyle Reese lives, Sarah and Kyle time-travel to 2017
1997 - Judgement Day does not occur
2004 - Judgement Day does not occur
XXXX - John Connor is made into a T-3000
2017 - The T-3000 is destroyed

And... that's kind of where we're at. It all works.




Eh, slightly... H1 and H3 happened exactly the way they appeared, except you just have to mentally retcon that no Prize was won and they aren't the last Immortals in either movie. Then they work just fine with the series and H4. H5, take it or leave it (most leave it). H2 doesn't exist, nor should it.
Hopefully T6 takes place after Genisys, There was that mid credit scene that showed Skynet survived.

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[NinjaPug]

Hopefully T6 takes place after Genisys, There was that mid credit scene that showed that Skynet survived.

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Cameron isn't making a sequel to Genisys (why did they spell it this way?) if this movie ever gets made. More than likely he ignores everything that was made after T2.

[Shark_Blade]

I only care about the first 2, the rest is garbage.

[TigerClaw]

Cameron isn't making a sequel to Genisys (why did they spell it this way?) if this movie ever gets made. More than likely he ignores everything that was made after T2.
Cameron actually liked Genisys.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

(why did they spell it this way?)

I guess to give the title a slick edge? You really can't use logic to deduce these things.

Cameron actually liked Genisys.

He liked the money he got for saying he liked it. It probably was at least a little interesting for him to see a different filmmaker remake his exact shots, though.

[NinjaPug]

Cameron actually liked Genisys.

No he didn't. He said the same thing about T3 or TS before it came out only to later say he hated it but didn't want to hurt its box office.

[Coola Yagami]

I just saw the title and the first thing that came to mind was 'because of course he is'.

[Andrew NDB]

Probably, like Genisys did with T4, it won't directly continue anything from T4 or Genisys, but it won't openly contradict them either.

I would've loved to have seen an all-out Future War movie, with Arnold, Robert Patrick, Kristanna Loken all playing human TechCOM soldiers... a Dirty Dozen-style mission to stop SkyNET. They win, but SkyNET appropriates their likeness for Terminators.

[chrisdude]

Any of the first three movies would've been a fine place to stop. T3 may have been pointless, but at least he didn't begin a new arc. Honestly, I think they would've been better off never making a sequel. It's made less since every time. I'd rather he do a remake. There's nothing else in this universe I want to see.

[CyberCubed]

Hollywood really needs to stop making sequels and remakes to movies from nearly 30 years ago now. Let the 80's and 90's remain as they were.

[Cure]

Let the 80's and 90's remain as they were.

They are remaining as they were, numbskull. No one is going back and altering things.

[CyberCubed]

But by making sequels years later they're continuing the continuity of older series, thus sometimes ruining the original endings. Terminator 2 being a great example.

[Cure]

Endings are still intact, as well.

[ToTheNines]

They are remaining as they were, numbskull. No one is going back and altering things.

Except George Lucas.

[chrisdude]

But by making sequels years later they're continuing the continuity of older series, thus sometimes ruining the original endings. Terminator 2 being a great example.Are you referring to Terminator 2 ruining the ending to The Terminator? Because it completely undermined the original film. You can revive a franchise and be successful. You just have to make a good movie.

[ProactiveMan]

No he didn't. He said the same thing about T3 or TS before it came out only to later say he hated it but didn't want to hurt its box office.

He says a lot of things. I think he's on record as stating that AvP is the third best Alien movie.

[Cure]

Except George Lucas.

Haha alright, you got me there.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

They are remaining as they were, numbskull. No one is going back and altering things.

But that's the whole point of the Terminator franchise! :twink: :trazz:

And while we're at it, we really do need to save a pair of humpback whales.

[Andrew NDB]

The problem with "Salvation" and "Genisys" is that neither movie tried to be the best Terminator movie it could be... each one was an attempt to make 1/3 of a "New Terminator Trilogy." Each time that failed. Hopefully whatever T6 arises minds that.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

They are remaining as they were, numbskull. No one is going back and altering things.

Purists will tell you different! There's been a lot of controversy among Terminator fanatics about the sound effects of the first two films being changed over time.

[Cure]

Purists will tell you different! There's been a lot of controversy among Terminator fanatics about the sound effects of the first two films being changed over time.

Huh. If you say the audio is different, I'll believe you of all people. But you know what I meeeeant.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Yeah, there's a difference between changing a gunshot effect and making Greedo shoot first. :tlol: 99% of films though are generally the same as they were on opening day.

[Spike Spiegel]

AFAIK the only way to get the mono track for T1 is to have the old MGM DVDs or the very first blu ray edition from 2006. I got rid of mine when the remastered (2013) T1 blu ray was released and now I wish I still had it for archival purposes.

I wish they'd finally get the home video releases of T2 right. I've bought it three times:

One used double sided "Ultimate Edition" disc from 2003 with exhaustive special features, including the script, storyboards, promos, ad campaigns, and most (if not all) of the stuff from the laserdisc releases.

The 2009 Skynet Edition blu-ray with HD trailers, most of the special features of the 2003 Ultimate Edition (only accessible through interactive modules while you watch the movie), and a DNR'd image quality. Also it came out when BD-Live was hot, so it takes a long time to load. It had three versions of the movie (theatrical, special edition, extended special edition with alternate ending)

The 2015 cash-grab from when Genisys came out that has pristine (I'd say gorgeous!) image quality (no DNR), limited special features, and only two versions of the film.

If they released a blu-ray with the visuals of the 2015 disc and all the special features of the 2003 Ultimate DVD, but with HD trailers and supplements when available, I'd be happy.

[Andrew NDB]

http://www.foundation3d.com/uploads/art/2009/03/4564-25-978052.jpg

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/77473

No word if this is connected to the news about James Cameron and Tim Miller:

http://consequenceofsound.net/2017/01/james-cameron-plans-relevant-new-terminator-film-with-deadpool-director-tim-miller/

[CyberCubed]

Maybe if they stop rehashing the same story for 4 movies about a Terminator coming back in time to the present, then the franchise can do something new.

They seriously did the same plot 4 times:

Terminator 1: Kyle Reese and the Terminator go to the present, the latter to kill Sarah Conner, but this was the first movie so it's all new.

Terminator 2: Arnold and the Liquid Terminator come back to the present and the plan is to to kill or save John Conner.

Terminator 3: Arnold and the female Terminator come back to the present to kill or save John Conner...again.

Terminator 5: Arnold and a new Terminator comes back to the present...for the fourth time. Arnold to protect the protagonists, for the third time. Sarah Conner in trouble...the third time.


Is there any reason they keep rehashing the same plot over and over again? I mean it's gotten old by now. How many times can they keep sending someone from the future to the present to kill either John or Sarah Conner? The TV series was about this too.

Really puts into perspective the Terminator franchise was meant to be a one and done concept, because there seems to be no way in expanding the unvierse or storyline beyond the same thing over and over again.

[Andrew NDB]

I think what I got out of the article was, "ALL OUT FUTURE WAR! WITH LASERS!"

At least, that's what I hope I got out of it.

[Andrew NDB]

More (of the same) news:

http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/arnold-schwarzenegger-james-cameron-returning-new-terminator-movie

[ProphetofGanja]

Maybe if they stop rehashing the same story for 4 movies about a Terminator coming back in time to the present, then the franchise can do something new.

They seriously did the same plot 4 times:

Terminator 1: Kyle Reese and the Terminator go to the present, the latter to kill Sarah Conner, but this was the first movie so it's all new.

Terminator 2: Arnold and the Liquid Terminator come back to the present and the plan is to to kill or save John Conner.

Terminator 3: Arnold and the female Terminator come back to the present to kill or save John Conner...again.

Terminator 5: Arnold and a new Terminator comes back to the present...for the fourth time. Arnold to protect the protagonists, for the third time. Sarah Conner in trouble...the third time.


Is there any reason they keep rehashing the same plot over and over again? I mean it's gotten old by now. How many times can they keep sending someone from the future to the present to kill either John or Sarah Conner? The TV series was about this too.

Really puts into perspective the Terminator franchise was meant to be a one and done concept, because there seems to be no way in expanding the unvierse or storyline beyond the same thing over and over again.

Yeah, this franchise has become a selfcest fan-wank, it seems

[Andrew NDB]

Terminator 3: Arnold and the female Terminator come back to the present to kill or save John Conner...again.

False. The T-X was sent back to kill John's top generals before they became his generals. The T-850 was sent to protect and take orders from Kate Brewster.

[plastroncafe]

I'd rather they'd just continued with the Sarah Connor Chronicles.

[Andrew NDB]

I'd rather they'd just continued with the Sarah Connor Chronicles.

I dunno... I watched all of it, but I can't say that I was wholly surprised to see it go or all that hurt by it. It was getting pretty contrived and it did things like change the Time Displacement Equipment conceived as this:

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/terminator/images/0/04/Walking_on_the_bridge_to_time-displacement_chamber..jpg/revision/latest?cb=20111228050203

And made it into this:

https://www.nachi.org/forum/attachments/f23/8830d1170268295-giant-hole-garage-firewall-heating-venting-air-conditioning-vents-new-nachi-pic.jpg

At least Genisys got that right.

[plastroncafe]

Wait...a show that I loved you weren't impressed by?
Well color me shocked. SHOCKED, I say.

;)

[Spike Spiegel]

TSCC > any of the movies after T2. Character development and time to do it properly made a big difference.

Too bad about the cliffhanger ending where John time travels to an an alternate future with the T-1001 and no one knows who he is.

With how reboot-happy FOX seems to be these days, I'm surprised they haven't done anything else with it.

I would have liked Genisys more, but the toned down violence and Jai Courtney ruined it for me.

[Andrew NDB]

I would have liked Genisys more, but the toned down violence and Jai Courtney ruined it for me.

Had both of those factors been changed I think I would have been much more on board with Genisys. I really, honestly can't fathom the PG-13. It'd be one thing if Salvation (also PG-13) had been a huge hit in spite of the PG-13, but it wasn't. Repeating the same thing hoping for a different result seems asinine.

Though fundamentally Genisys just seems so... weird. I get the time romp sounds fun on paper, but the rest? "You guys all love T1 and T2, and hate T3 and T4 riiiiight? Well, how about we pop into the beginning of T1, and completely wipe out/irrevocably alter the events of ALL of those movies, even T1 and T2!"

Why do that? Seems like taking a big sh*t on the one part of the fandom and franchise they were trying to appease.

[plastroncafe]

TSCC > any of the movies after T2. Character development and time to do it properly made a big difference.

Too bad about the cliffhanger ending where John time travels to an an alternate future with the T-1001 and no one knows who he is.

With how reboot-happy FOX seems to be these days, I'm surprised they haven't done anything else with it.

I would have liked Genisys more, but the toned down violence and Jai Courtney ruined it for me.

I admit that I was torn when the show started, mostly because Hedley's Sara Conner is SO DIFFERENT from Linda Hamilton's.

BUT THAT ENDING!

[Wildcat]

I really liked Genisys. It's funny I never realized it was PG-13. Unless I just forgot. I didn't feel the violence was toned down. It felt toned down in Salvation since it was mostly just building to the Skynet break in.

[Andrew NDB]

So they're talking about attempting yet another trilogy:

http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/james-cameron-wants-reinvent-terminator

[ProactiveMan]

They'll make one, it will 'under-perform' and then they'll start all over again.

[sdp]

We're going to have a trilogy of Chapter 1's of failed trilogies

[Wildcat]

I would prefer they kept going from Salvation. We need more of the actual war.

I had this idea that I thought would be really funny. What if the terminator won and actually succeeded killing John Connor? What would it do after completing its mission?

It was 1984. Would he get a job as a body guard or something? Would he hangout in public places to learn human behavior and make friends? Maybe he'd travel and see the world before Skynet takes over.

What if it gained an appreciation for life and humans and decided to warn everyone about Skynet? It could join the military and help earth fight.

That's a different idea.

[Andrew NDB]

I would prefer they kept going from Salvation. We need more of the actual war.

I had this idea that I thought would be really funny. What if the terminator won and actually succeeded killing John Connor? What would it do after completing its mission?

It was 1984.

John Connor didn't exist in 1984.

Would he get a job as a body guard or something? Would he hangout in public places to learn human behavior and make friends? Maybe he'd travel and see the world before Skynet takes over.

What if it gained an appreciation for life and humans and decided to warn everyone about Skynet? It could join the military and help earth fight.

That's a different idea.

I admit, that's interesting. T2 kind of implies that unless a hard-wired straight up SkyNET Terminator is reprogrammed by someone (head cut open and all), they can't take on new subroutines and learning much, but... maybe to some degree?

[Wildcat]

John Connor didn't exist in 1984.Oh ya, Sarah. I was thinking of it in reverse. Wiping him out.

I admit, that's interesting. T2 kind of implies that unless a hard-wired straight up SkyNET Terminator is reprogrammed by someone (head cut open and all), they can't take on new subroutines and learning much, but... maybe to some degree?I don't remember that but it's still funny to think what it would do while waiting for Skynet to take over.

If a reboot changed that bit it could work. Not for comedic purposes. I was just thinking of that for fun.

I think the terminator evolving on its own is a cool idea though.

[newfan]

I really liked Genisys. It's funny I never realized it was PG-13. Unless I just forgot. I didn't feel the violence was toned down. It felt toned down in Salvation since it was mostly just building to the Skynet break in.

They seem to be doing that a lot, PG-13 (it was cert 12 here) I remember thinking what? really? same for Robocop reboot

[CyberCubed]

Everytime I hear them say they're going to reboot Terminator, Aliens, Predator, Robocop, etc. for the millionth time, I just shake my head. There's only so many time you can do failed reboots before people get tired and lose interest.

Planet of the Apes had 1 failed reboot (the 2001 Tim Burton movie), but then got it right with the new movie reboots from 2011. Mad Max got a successful reboot in 2015.

It seems some of these 80's movie properties are better off left alone.

[newfan]

Everytime I hear them say they're going to reboot Terminator, Aliens, Predator, Robocop, etc. for the millionth time, I just shake my head. There's only so many time you can do failed reboots before people get tired and lose interest.

Planet of the Apes had 1 failed reboot (the 2001 Tim Burton movie), but then got it right with the new movie reboots from 2011. Mad Max got a successful reboot in 2015.

It seems some of these 80's movie properties are better off left alone.

Yeah there comes a time if something has been done over many times and just dies a little more every time then it needs knocking on the head. Still, I wasn't bored watching Genesis.

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah there comes a time if something has been done over many times and just dies a little more every time

Yeah, it's a bit like that guy in Game of Thrones. I forget his name, one of the order that serves the Lord of Light, that keeps getting killed and resurrected. "Every time I come back... there's a little bit less of me here."

[Andrew NDB]

I don't remember that

You don't remember this?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-PhDNAVOKak0/U4Vlvlwb1gI/AAAAAAAALdM/hXTu_eXrb1A/s1600/600px-T2TwinsMirrorGag.jpg

[Wildcat]

You don't remember this?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-PhDNAVOKak0/U4Vlvlwb1gI/AAAAAAAALdM/hXTu_eXrb1A/s1600/600px-T2TwinsMirrorGag.jpgIsnt that a deleted scene? I just looked it up.

I don't remember it being mentioned it needed exact reprogramming to do anything else. Haven't seen it in awhile. John was teaching it small things.

[Sumac]

Interesting.
Not sure how long it will take them to make a new movie(s).

I liked 1st movie the best, T2 is still is a masterpiece, though, T3 is a good action movie with "unusual" ending, T4 is trash and TG is a good action movie.

Salvation is a sequel to T3. Kind of.

Haven't watched series and not intend to.

[The Deadman]

New Terminator Will Reveal Why the T-800 Looks Like Arnold Schwarzenegger
Read more at http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/878727-new-terminator-will-reveal-why-the-t-800-looks-like-arnold-schwarzenegger#2EUZiEfSzHX1aJ8a.99

[chrisdude]

New Terminator Will Reveal Why the T-800 Looks Like Arnold Schwarzenegger
Read more at http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/878727-new-terminator-will-reveal-why-the-t-800-looks-like-arnold-schwarzenegger#2EUZiEfSzHX1aJ8a.99Hopefully, they'll include Arnold in a meaningful way.

Glad to hear it's coming sooner, rather than later, because with all this Avatar, I didn't know.

[TigerClaw]

New Terminator Will Reveal Why the T-800 Looks Like Arnold Schwarzenegger
Read more at http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/878727-new-terminator-will-reveal-why-the-t-800-looks-like-arnold-schwarzenegger#2EUZiEfSzHX1aJ8a.99
That's interesting considering, there was a deleted scene from Terminator 3, that explain why the T800 looks like Arnold.

kayFrIR-Qfw

The T800 was modeled after a Soldier.

[Andrew NDB]

New Terminator Will Reveal Why the T-800 Looks Like Arnold Schwarzenegger
Read more at http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/878727-new-terminator-will-reveal-why-the-t-800-looks-like-arnold-schwarzenegger#2EUZiEfSzHX1aJ8a.99

Ah, good. This is really the only thing they should be doing with Arnold in a Terminator movie at this point. Give it an R-rating and make sure Cameron is very hands-on and it should be fine.

And no, the Sergeant Candy thing is a deleted scene and such, not canonical.

[Wildcat]

I had never seen that deleted scene. It was pretty good. I wish they left it in.

Wonder if they'd reveal the human origin for the T1000 and TX.

I know it's supposed to be a reboot but are going to ignore the first 3? I'd prefer they don't.

[Andrew NDB]

I had never seen that deleted scene. It was pretty good. I wish they left it in.

Wonder if they'd reveal the human origin for the T1000 and TX.

I keep saying this, and I hope it happens: A Terminator "Dirty Dozen" movie, with Arnold, Kristanna Loken, Robert Patrick, maybe even Franko Columbu all buddies on a mission together from TechCOM in the Future War (say, 2028 ) to infiltrate and take out SkyNET... one by one they're taken. They accomplish some big game-changing thing, but they still all sacrifice themselves... and their likenesses get stolen in the process.

[Wildcat]

I keep saying this, and I hope it happens: A Terminator "Dirty Dozen" movie, with Arnold, Kristanna Loken, Robert Patrick, maybe even Franko Columbu all buddies on a mission together from TechCOM in the Future War (say, 2028 ) to infiltrate and take out SkyNET... one by one they're taken. They accomplish some big game-changing thing, but they still all sacrifice themselves... and their likenesses get stolen in the process.That would be a cool origin for thier likenesses being used.

I never really thought much of it. I just imagined Skynet used whoever it wanted or maybe just made its own avatars. (No pun intended)

Not that it would actually matter in the present - uh past, since they're basically unstoppable.

[The Deadman]

‘Deadpool’s’ Tim Miller Confirmed as ‘Terminator 6’ Director! (http://bloody-disgusting.com/movie/3458972/deadpools-tim-miller-confirmed-terminator-6-director/)

[Andrew NDB]

‘Deadpool’s’ Tim Miller Confirmed as ‘Terminator 6’ Director! (http://bloody-disgusting.com/movie/3458972/deadpools-tim-miller-confirmed-terminator-6-director/)

There they go again, talking about the "new Terminator trilogy."

What is the matter with people?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

There they go again, talking about the "new Terminator trilogy."

What is the matter with people?

This is the Hollywood age of "counting your chickens before they hatch."

Or, "counting your xenomorph facehuggers before they hatch", as the case may be.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

We all know what "planned trilogy" means. It means that they'll plan out three mediocre films that have an "EPIC!" overarching story.

[NinjaPug]

Linda Hamilton Set to Return to 'Terminator' Franchise

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/linda-hamilton-set-return-terminator-franchise-1040948

Some story details:

Story details are, of course, being kept on a secure hard drive at Cyberdyne Systems, but Cameron and Miller are treating the new movie as a direct sequel to Cameron's Judgment Day. And the themes of the potential evils of technology will once again be at the fore.

But the new movie will also be seen as a passing of the baton to a new generation of characters.

"We’re starting a search for an 18-something woman to be the new centerpiece of the new story," Cameron said. "We still fold time. We will have characters from the future and the present. There will be mostly new characters but we'll have Arnold and Linda’s characters to anchor it."

[Wildcat]

I personally view all the movies as separate timelines caused by continued use of time travel. Each one being another attempt at stopping Skynet. Except maybe Salvation...it could be prequel or sequel.

So whatever they want to ignore is fine with me. I've liked all of them. I just hope it eventually gets to the actual future war again.

[sdp]

I can't believe we're going to have a trilogy of failed trilogies.

[Xav]

Linda Hamilton Set to Return to 'Terminator' Franchise

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/linda-hamilton-set-return-terminator-franchise-1040948

Some story details:Now if Edward Furlong could just get in sharp we could have a full reunion on our hands.

[Hamato Yoshi]

I would prefer they kept going from Salvation. We need more of the actual war.

I had this idea that I thought would be really funny. What if the terminator won and actually succeeded killing John Connor? What would it do after completing its mission?

It was 1984. Would he get a job as a body guard or something?



Yes , hed be HBKs body guard (hint hint) :lol::P

[newfan]

Linda Hamilton Set to Return to 'Terminator' Franchise

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/linda-hamilton-set-return-terminator-franchise-1040948

Some story details:

Well at least they can see it went downhill after T2 so I like the time point they are going from... but not so much the timing of it (bit late), or that they want a trilogy.

[plastroncafe]

I personally view all the movies as separate timelines caused by continued use of time travel. Each one being another attempt at stopping Skynet. Except maybe Salvation...it could be prequel or sequel.

So whatever they want to ignore is fine with me. I've liked all of them. I just hope it eventually gets to the actual future war again.

...I really like this theory.
Thank you for sharing it.

[Andrew NDB]

After Genisys, they can kind of do whatever they want, really. Genisys introduces the idea that SkyNET is able to talk to itself through time (an idea actually introduced in T3, where the T-X -- who is from 2032 -- uploads a bunch of data into SkyNET in the year 2004), continually making new countermeasures through Time to ensure Judgement Day.

Though after Genisys I'm not sure if they're going to want to get into any kind of great big time travel romp with alternate/intersecting timelines or anything. I think what we'll get will be fairly simple.

[Sumac]

(an idea actually introduced in T3, where the T-X -- who is from 2032 -- uploads a bunch of data into SkyNET in the year 2004)
Where is this idea coming from?

There is noting in the movie that suggests it.

[Andrew NDB]

Where is this idea coming from?

There is noting in the movie that suggests it.

What do you mean? We literally see the T-X go up to the SkyNET computers and do her finger-morphy USB thing into them. You think she was just telling SkyNET "hello"? And we know she came from 2032 because that's what we're told and that's when John Connor is killed by the T-850 that gets reprogrammed and sent back to T3's present.

The idea is continued into Salvation, where SkyNET's cyborg advancements are way ahead of when they happened in the original timeline.

[Sumac]

What do you mean? We literally see the T-X go up to the SkyNET computers and do her finger-morphy USB thing into them. You think she was just telling SkyNET "hello"?
When?

She contacted Internet in the begining via "modem" (lol) and later used nanobots to control cars and later T1. What it has to do with Skynet?

Skynet already ran rampant even before TX arrival.

[Andrew NDB]

When?

She contacted Internet in the begining via "modem" (lol) and later used nanobots to control cars and later T1. What it has to do with Skynet?

Skynet already ran rampant even before TX arrival.

Separate from those incidents. In the room with the general guy. She interfaced directly with the same computer that the general guy activated SkyNET with.

I didn't like the remote control cars thing at all. I don't care how advanced the T-X is... there is no way to remotely drive, like, a 1987 Buick.

[Sumac]

Separate from those incidents. In the room with the general guy. She interfaced directly with the same computer that the general guy activated SkyNET with.
I don't remember this moment in the movie.

She appears in the main room pretending to be Kate and then immediately shot by T850 and real Kate and John appears. After that she shots General Brewster several times and shot by T850 into air duct with shotgun. There is no moment where she interacts with computers in the main room.

I am not saying it could not have happened offscreen and it would explain some stuff in this movie and the next, but in movie proper it was never shown. At least not to my memory.

[Andrew NDB]

I don't remember this moment in the movie. At least not the moment when she injects nanobots into computer.

I don't blame you, but I promise it's there.

[Sumac]

I don't blame you, but I promise it's there.
Timestamp, please.
I don't blame you if you won't be able to find it, though.:tlol:

[Andrew NDB]

Timestamp, please.
I don't blame you if you won't be able to find it, though.:tlol:

You know what, you might be right. I'm poring over the clips available on Youtube and I just don't see it. Must be the Mandela Effect. :)

It's possible what I'm remembering is her interfacing with that T-1. The way it's edited makes you think it's all connected... she connects with the T-1, then hard cut to the computer screens and radar suddenly going weird.

[TigerClaw]

Terminator 6 is going to ignore Genisys
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/sci-fi/terminator/arnold-schwarzenegger-shares-new-terminator-6-details-movie-will-reportedly-ignore-genisys-completely-a154017
https://www.theterminatorfans.com/exclusive-schwarzenegger-talks-terminator-6/

[Sumac]

You know what, you might be right. I'm poring over the clips available on Youtube and I just don't see it. Must be the Mandela Effect. :)
That's fine.

Idea that's TX actually somehow influenced Skynet in the past is the widespread one. But sadly it has never been officially confirmed, not even in early version of the script, comic book adaptations and the like.

[TheCanadiandrome]

Terminator 6 is going to ignore Genisys
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/sci-fi/terminator/arnold-schwarzenegger-shares-new-terminator-6-details-movie-will-reportedly-ignore-genisys-completely-a154017
https://www.theterminatorfans.com/exclusive-schwarzenegger-talks-terminator-6/

Seems kinda both lame and good at the same time....I’m conflicted :ohwell:

[Andrew NDB]

https://www.cosmicbooknews.com/new-terminator-details-james-cameron-tim-miller

At least a few interesting details in there. T3, T4, T5 officially swept under the rug, but could have happened in "their multiverse." Also, it kind of sounds like Arnold is not playing a human (or maybe in addition to?), but playing another T-800 in a similar fashion to "Pops"?

Also he explains how he talked Linda Hamilton into returning:
http://www.darkhorizons.com/cameron-talks-terminator-6-as-it-sets-a-date/

Also, Cameron reaffirms his stance on Wonder Woman:
https://www.cosmicbooknews.com/james-cameron-blasts-wonder-woman-again

[Wildcat]

Of course the others can be alternate timelines but referring to them as bad dreams is not necessary. Come on. What's their beef with them?

I actually like T3 a bit more than T2. The lead up to Skynet was exciting and TX was not just a prototype. Part 3 was more of a sequel.

It's fine to pick up after 2 but I don't understand why they've gone out of thier way to continue to throw jabs at the others.

Obviously the nice Terminator gets sent back in time again since he destroyed himself at the end. Which in itself must be an alternate timeline if he's aged and learned. (That's kinda like my idea :D )

[Andrew NDB]

Of course the others can be alternate timelines but referring to them as bad dreams is not necessary. Come on. What's their beef with them?

True. I agree. And if I wanted to burn the calories, I could dredge up 5 or 6 articles with Cameron singing the praises of Ts 3, 4, and 5. I know he's walked those back, but still. C'mon, man.

I actually like T3 a bit more than T2. The lead up to Skynet was exciting and TX was not just a prototype. Part 3 was more of a sequel.

T3 was OK by me. A few of the humor things were big misses, but I like what was there. Ballsy ending. Didn't like the TX controlling cars... nonsense.

Obviously the nice Terminator gets sent back in time again since he destroyed himself at the end. Which in itself must be an alternate timeline if he's aged and learned. (That's kinda like my idea :D )

I'm pretty sure we can assume this is a Sarah Connor that never got leukemia and is alive and well today in 2017, same timeline as T2. The T-800 Arnold is playing... who knows. I kind of want it to actually be Pops just to salvage something out of Genisys, but I don't imagine Cameron wants to run with T-1000 Arnold.

From previous news, we also know we'll run into fully human Arnold in this.

I have to admit... I'm at least a little intrigued. And with both Tim Miller AND Cameron on board, this will be R-rated for sure.

[Wildcat]

I'm pretty sure we can assume this is a Sarah Connor that never got leukemia and is alive and well today in 2017, same timeline as T2. The T-800 Arnold is playing... who knows. I kind of want it to actually be Pops just to salvage something out of Genisys, but I don't imagine Cameron wants to run with T-1000 Arnold.

From previous news, we also know we'll run into fully human Arnold in this.

I have to admit... I'm at least a little intrigued. And with both Tim Miller AND Cameron on board, this will be R-rated for sure.I liked Pops. I've seen Cameron praise Genisys too. I didn't know about human Arnold. That's cool.

Maybe they could say they had another T-800 on thier side and this aged one is its first time traveling to the past. T3's was a different one too wasn't it?

What could possibly be the villain? Megatron? They obviously didn't like the previous ones. There's gotta be something to physically fight.

[Andrew NDB]

I liked Pops. I've seen Cameron praise Genisys too.

He's praised them all. Not sooo much T4, though. There was an article about him being approached by McG to read the script, and Cameron was like, "Well, I can do that, but not for free," and nothing ever came of it. But he did come around after the film came out.

Maybe they could say they had another T-800 on thier side and this aged one is its first time traveling to the past. T3's was a different one too wasn't it?

T3's was very different. That was a T-850 that successfully killed John Connor in the year 2032, then was reprogrammed by John's wife to go back and safeguard the past and stop the assassination of John's top generals while they were teens.

What could possibly be the villain? Megatron? They obviously didn't like the previous ones. There's gotta be something to physically fight.

Good question! So far efforts to out-T-1000 the T-1000 have been highly problematic. Damn, man... I really don't know. "Let's make a Terminator that's even scarier than Robert Patrick!" just isn't going to work out well, we know this. And "let's keep it simple, back to basics, another evil T-800" isn't going to be satisfying either. 15 years ago it would have been neat to see another "Full Evil" Arnold Terminator again, but Arnold as a 70 year-old actor now I'm not too keen on it anymore. Still, something tells me Cameron will make sure things surprise. Even if he's not directing it himself, he works outside the studio system and he will make sure this is exactly the movie he believes it needs to be.

[Wildcat]

T3's was very different. That was a T-850 that successfully killed John Connor in the year 2032, then was reprogrammed by John's wife to go back and safeguard the past and stop the assassination of John's top generals while they were teens.Oh ya that's right. Well I think to keep it in the same timeline as T2 this aged terminator has to be some kind of a separate robot from the one that destroyed itself.

Good question! So far efforts to out-T-1000 the T-1000 have been highly problematic. Damn, man... I really don't know. "Let's make a Terminator that's even scarier than Robert Patrick!" just isn't going to work out well, we know this. And "let's keep it simple, back to basics, another evil T-800" isn't going to be satisfying either. 15 years ago it would have been neat to see another "Full Evil" Arnold Terminator again, but Arnold as a 70 year-old actor now I'm not too keen on it anymore. Still, something tells me Cameron will make sure things surprise. Even if he's not directing it himself, he works outside the studio system and he will make sure this is exactly the movie he believes it needs to be.They keep implying they want it reference our relationship with technology in our daily lives but it still has to be an actual thing.

I personally liked the different terminators hunting them in Genisys idea. It gave it a creepy vibe.

[Sumac]

They keep implying they want it reference our relationship with technology in our daily lives but it still has to be an actual thing.
People behind Genisys said exactly the same thing and we saw how it turned out. Not to say, that it will be the same, but who knows anymore?

As for the, what can be more scary than T1000? Well, Terminator lore actually has lots of crazy machines:
- T1000000 - a giant spider of liquid metal (from T2 3D attraction, which was worked on by Cameron himself);
- TXA - a giant liquid terminator who can separate itself into 5 humanoid units or a pack of dogs;
- T-Infinity - Terminator with time machine build into its body, who can teleport;

Not to mention various dog and kids-terminators.

Though I am pretty sure they will figure out something new for the movie, it's just T1000 and TX are not most dangerous machines in the series.

[Wildcat]

Ooh I really like T-Infinity. Didn't know about that. Just looked it up. It fits in with what they're doing too as it's purpose is to keep the timeline in order.

[Sumac]

Ooh I really like T-Infinity. Didn't know about that. Just looked it up. It fits in with what they're doing too as it's purpose is to keep the timeline in order.
They will need to design some contrived way to kill it, as T-I was nigh invincible as far as I remember.
On the other hand, so was T1000, TX and T5000.:roll:

[Andrew NDB]

They will need to design some contrived way to kill it, as T-I was nigh invincible as far as I remember.
On the other hand, so was T1000, TX and T5000.:roll:

Don't forget the T-3000!

Though I'm really not clear... how was the T-3000 (the FAKE John Connor in Genisys' alternate present) any bit better than the TX or T-1000?

[Sumac]

Don't forget the T-3000!
I meant T3000, when I said "T5000".
Still can't remember what the right number of this guy was.

[Andrew NDB]

I meant T3000, when I said "T5000".
Still can't remember what the right number of this guy was.

T-5000 is legit, too, though. That was SkyNET in the movie, played by Dr Who.

[sdp]

T-Infinity sounds so cool, now that would be a movie I could get behind.

I remember the T2 3D ride at Universal, it was alright, I went to it a few times.

[TheCanadiandrome]

T-5000 is legit, too, though. That was SkyNET in the movie, played by Dr Who.

Matt Smith bro 8)

[TigerClaw]

T-5000 is legit, too, though. That was SkyNET in the movie, played by Dr Who.
Yeah, Skynet transferred its consciousness to a T-5000, so he was the physical embodiment of Skynet itself.
http://terminator.wikia.com/wiki/Alex

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, Skynet transferred its consciousness to a T-5000, so he was the physical embodiment of Skynet itself.
http://terminator.wikia.com/wiki/Alex

That was pretty dumb. They did almost the exact same thing with SkyNET and Helena Bonham Carter in "Salvation."

[Andrew NDB]

More from James Cameron:

http://www.darkhorizons.com/cameron-talks-terminator-return-timing/

“I just feel like the world we live in now is going to be very much defined by our co-evolution with our technology. While technology and innovation have this vast promise for our survival, it’s also an enormous threat, especially when it comes to strong [artificial intelligence] being coupled with weaponised robotics, and that’s all coming. It’s just a question of who gets there first, it’s gonna be the next big arms race, it’s gonna be like the next race to get the bomb.

And when you couple that with the kind of wired world that we live in, where we’ve basically given away our privacy and every single person walking around that’s got a smartphone is essentially a belled cat — a walking sensor platform that can be monitored from afar — it’s like we’re really on the cusp of an Orwellian Armageddon of inconceivable proportions. Therefore, I thought, hey, let’s make a movie about that. So it’s going to be a very cheerful and upbeat kind of film.”

“It’s the first of three, the story is mapped out over a three-film arc, but again, if we don’t make any money there isn’t gonna be a two and a three.”

[sdp]

I thought they were going to film all of them together and that they were going to be released annually after the first sequel came out. I hope it does well, I want to go back to Pandora and see another movie, I did not like the original all that much and got dogpiled for having an opinion on it but now that most people are against it I kind of want to see more of it.

Also didn't Cameron add a fifth movie, I remember him saying there was going to be a fourth Avatar sequel but maybe I'm confusing it with just a "fourth" avatar and not a 4th sequel.

edit: oh I think they're talking about terminator and not Avatar there

[TigerClaw]

More from James Cameron:

http://www.darkhorizons.com/cameron-talks-terminator-return-timing/

“I just feel like the world we live in now is going to be very much defined by our co-evolution with our technology. While technology and innovation have this vast promise for our survival, it’s also an enormous threat, especially when it comes to strong [artificial intelligence] being coupled with weaponised robotics, and that’s all coming. It’s just a question of who gets there first, it’s gonna be the next big arms race, it’s gonna be like the next race to get the bomb.

And when you couple that with the kind of wired world that we live in, where we’ve basically given away our privacy and every single person walking around that’s got a smartphone is essentially a belled cat — a walking sensor platform that can be monitored from afar — it’s like we’re really on the cusp of an Orwellian Armageddon of inconceivable proportions. Therefore, I thought, hey, let’s make a movie about that. So it’s going to be a very cheerful and upbeat kind of film.”

“It’s the first of three, the story is mapped out over a three-film arc, but again, if we don’t make any money there isn’t gonna be a two and a three.”
That's interesting considering, that Salvation and Genisys were originally being setup as a Trilogy.

He should do a Terminator movie, that gives us some closure, and try not to repeat what happened last time, cause history is repeating itself with these movies.

[Andrew NDB]

https://www.abacusnews.com/big-guns/arnold-schwarzenegger-return-terminator-tencent-backed-trilogy/article/2142952?utm_source=fb&utm_medium=social_big-guns&utm_campaign=GME-I-Alwayson-Apr18_US_abacus

Gah, it sounds like there is a major Chinese money going into this movie. Just like Pacific Rim 2, just like The Meg, so forth and so on. You know what this means:

1. PG-13.
2. Lots of Chinese side characters.
3. A Chinese hero or heroine will rise up at some point.

[CyberCubed]

Can't believe we're on the 3rd, or 4th, failed Terminator reboot attempt. I mean there's only so many times you can try to reboot the series after Terminator 2 that you should just throw in the towel and realize it wasn't meant to be.

[sdp]

Why would you count Terminator 3 as a reboot? Sure it retcons the ending of Terminator 2 but T2 retconned the ending of T1 as well. Are you counting the TV show as a reboot? I'd only consider Genysis a reboot of sorts but it's really more of an alternate timeline and with the terminator's vague use of time travel all movies and shows can be canon.

I want this to be another trilogy setup that fails so we can have the glorious trilogy of failed trilogies.

[Andrew NDB]

Why would you count Terminator 3 as a reboot? Sure it retcons the ending of Terminator 2 but T2 retconned the ending of T1 as well. Are you counting the TV show as a reboot?

I want this to be another trilogy setup that fails so we can have the glorious trilogy of failed trilogies.

There have been zero Terminator reboots so far -- the closest we have seen is "Genisys" largely ignoring "Salvation," but even there it's not like it wiped it away. There have been two failed trilogy trilogy starters and this one would represent the third.

[Wildcat]

https://www.abacusnews.com/big-guns/arnold-schwarzenegger-return-terminator-tencent-backed-trilogy/article/2142952?utm_source=fb&utm_medium=social_big-guns&utm_campaign=GME-I-Alwayson-Apr18_US_abacus

Gah, it sounds like there is a major Chinese money going into this movie. Just like Pacific Rim 2, just like The Meg, so forth and so on. You know what this means:

1. PG-13.
2. Lots of Chinese side characters.
3. A Chinese hero or heroine will rise up at some point.Why does any of that bother you so much? I remember you complained about the Expendables. I guess you hate PG-13 ratings.

As for the characters the leads have already been announced. They’re not Chinese. Not that it matters but your assumption about a Chinese hero seems unlikely.

Besides I doubt a Chinese company support has anything to do with ratings or characters. The story has already been created.

[Andrew NDB]

Why does any of that bother you so much? I remember you complained about the Expendables. I guess you hate PG-13 ratings.

Where they aren't appropriate, absolutely. Expendables movies were supposed to be a love letter to the cheesy, super violent machismo-ridden fare and actors of the 80s and 90s and their fans... so why shift it to PG-13, exactly? And Terminators 1-3 were all R.

As for the characters the leads have already been announced. They’re not Chinese. Not that it matters but your assumption about a Chinese hero seems unlikely.

They've announced maybe 1/3 of the cast.

Besides I doubt a Chinese company support has anything to do with ratings or characters. The story has already been created.

That's super naive. If your company finances an entire movie, guess what they get to do? They get to change/add whatever the hell they want to. And look what happened in movies like Pacific Rim: Uprising.

[Wildcat]

Where they aren't appropriate, absolutely. Expendables movies were supposed to be a love letter to the cheesy, super violent machismo-ridden fare and actors of the 80s and 90s and their fans... so why shift it to PG-13, exactly? And Terminators 1-3 were all R.That actually is a really good point but I honestly could not tell Genisys was PG-13. Salvation dealt more with the actual machines. Maybe it wasn’t necessary to be R. Just a guess.

They've announced maybe 1/3 of the cast.Again don’t why it matters but they’ve said one of the goals is to pass the focus to the new leads.

That's super naive. If your company finances an entire movie, guess what they get to do? They get to change/add whatever the hell they want to. And look what happened in movies like Pacific Rim: Uprising.I didn’t see Pacific Rim 2 and don’t know what happened but this new Terminator was already planned, right? It was going to be made regaurdless of Tencent and Skydance joining.

If they change or add anything I doubt it’ll effect the actual story Miller, Cameron and the writers made. Like the actual story and ending.

I just don’t know what you fear is happening to this.

[newfan]

PG13 wouldn't surprise me, just the way it seems to be at the moment, where they think they can expand ticket sales.
Just looked at Expendables as I didn't see them all but here they went from 18 to 15 to 12. I'd be worried about 4 :lol:.


Cubed, re your comment, I'm not sure it was the case of knowing when to quit at the point of the 3rd movie, they could have just made a better movie :) At this point though it's different, but I still like the franchise (not every movie was great) so will still want to see it.

If they are planning to spread out over 3 movies but quit if the first one fails, I don't want it ending on a cliffhanger, hopefully they will write it so that it can be it's own thing given they know it could fail.

[Andrew NDB]

That actually is a really good point but I honestly could not tell Genisys was PG-13.

The giant bloodless holes in Arnold's 1985 body weren't your first clue in like the first ten minutes?

Salvation dealt more with the actual machines. Maybe it wasn’t necessary to be R. Just a guess.

A bad guess. For the first time in the series, it's all-out war! The Future War, which we'd been waiting to see since 1985. And they lower the rating, at the point in time when it literally makes the least amount of sense.

I didn’t see Pacific Rim 2 and don’t know what happened but this new Terminator was already planned, right? It was going to be made regaurdless of Tencent and Skydance joining.

False. "Planning" is meaningless vs. the money behind it. You can go in a room with financiers with a "plan" and they can fund you, but that still means they can shape your thing any way they want.

I didn’t see Pacific Rim 2 and don’t know what happened

You should check that out and see.

[Wildcat]

The giant bloodless holes in Arnold's 1985 body weren't your first clue in like the first ten minutes?Ha, no.

A bad guess. For the first time in the series, it's all-out war! The Future War, which we'd been waiting to see since 1985. And they lower the rating, at the point in time when it literally makes the least amount of sense.It doesn’t really portray robots killing humans and destroying everything. It feels more like a robot adventure movie. To me anyway. I think that has more to do with how it’s written though. I can see why it wasn’t given an R.

False. "Planning" is meaningless vs. the money behind it. You can go in a room with financiers with a "plan" and they can fund you, but that still means they can shape your thing any way they want.Ya I really think your making a mountain out of mole hill with this part. What exactly do see Tencent doing? “Stomp” all over Miller and Cameron and takeover? I’m sure they do not have that level of control. Especially in a co-finance. They don’t own the franchise.

I’m genuinely not understanding what you think is happening to the Terminator movie itself.

You should check that out and see.All I found was Del Toro went to make Shape of Water because he didn’t want to wait for Legendary to be sold and DeKnight took over...which Del Toro allowed to do what he wanted.

I’m guessing you think it was a conspiracy of some sort.

[Andrew NDB]

All I found was Del Toro went to make Shape of Water because he didn’t want to wait for Legendary to be sold and DeKnight took over...which Del Toro allowed to do what he wanted.

I’m guessing you think it was a conspiracy of some sort.

Just watch the movie. It subverts the entirety of what was created in the original Pacific Rim movie to suit Chinese audiences. They kill the Japanese character (China hates Japan) from the first one right off the bat, right away introduce a bunch of "super cool" techy Chinese, led by one of the leading Chinese actresses in China who saves the day about 3 or 4 times, including the end. Large portions of the film are entirely in Chinese, with subtitles. The movie even pauses for a moment early on to explain to us the Chinese equivalent of the word "Kaiju."

No way in Hell was Del Toro ever going to play ball on such a thing.

[Wildcat]

Just watch the movie. It subverts the entirety of what was created in the original Pacific Rim movie to suit Chinese audiences. They kill the Japanese character (China hates Japan) from the first one right off the bat, right away introduce a bunch of "super cool" techy Chinese, led by one of the leading Chinese actresses in China who saves the day about 3 or 4 times, including the end. Large portions of the film are entirely in Chinese, with subtitles. The movie even pauses for a moment early on to explain to us the Chinese equivalent of the word "Kaiju."

No way in Hell was Del Toro ever going to play ball on such a thing.Even if all that is actually due to Legendary being sold Terminator is only co-financed. It’s also financed by Paramount and Fox. Apparently you think Tencent now has authority over everyone else though.

I know PR2 is really different. I read Del Toro’s interview on it. However you’re making out as he left specifically because Legendary was being sold to China.

I agree on the rating. It’ll probably be PG-13 again regardless but if there’s even 1 Chinese character or subject in Terminator you’re gonna be like...Nooo Tencent! :lol:

[Andrew NDB]

It’s also financed by Paramount and Fox.

Where do you see that?

[Wildcat]

Where do you see that?http://variety.com/2018/film/asia/china-tencent-boards-skydance-terminator-1202781743/
http://deadline.com/2018/04/tencent-co-finance-terminator-reboot-skydance-china-rights-1202374522/

Tencent is only handling merchandise, marketing and distribution in China.

[Andrew NDB]

http://variety.com/2018/film/asia/china-tencent-boards-skydance-terminator-1202781743/
http://deadline.com/2018/04/tencent-co-finance-terminator-reboot-skydance-china-rights-1202374522/

Tencent is only handling merchandise, marketing and distribution in China.

Fair enough. Though I'd be very interested in seeing the % of finances rendered from each of the 3 parties, as that Tenchant article makes it sound like Tenchant is the one that made this deal happen. As in... they threw in the lion's share and are shouldering the risk.

Which would make sense. Genisys wasn't profitable anywhere but China.

[Wildcat]

Fair enough. Though I'd be very interested in seeing the % of finances rendered from each of the 3 parties, as that Tenchant article makes it sound like Tenchant is the one that made this deal happen. As in... they threw in the lion's share and are shouldering the risk.

Which would make sense. Genisys wasn't profitable anywhere but China.Why would you think they were putting in the lions share? Just because of Genisys? The movie was going to be made regardless. It was already greenlit.

I’d like to know if they have any input on anything. They seem to be at the bottom of the ladder to me.

[Andrew NDB]

Why would you think they were putting in the lions share? Just because of Genisys? The movie was going to be made regardless. It was already greenlit.

The Tenchant thing is not a new thing. We are only learning about it now. You don't get a movie greenlit with only half or less of finances in check... you get it greenlit with 100%.

[Wildcat]

The Tenchant thing is not a new thing. We are only learning about it now. You don't get a movie greenlit with only half or less of finances in check... you get it greenlit with 100%.Ya you’re probably right that the deal was made before. I still don’t see why you’d conclude they get so much control though.

Even if the deal was made from the start I think it’s pretty easy to figure either Skydance, Paramount or Fox, or a combo, invested the most since Tencent would be the newcomer and it’s an American franchise. Paramount distributed Genisys.

That first article you posted I guess kinda makes it seem they’re the main people behind it but I just saw it as Tencent wanting to get in on some of the profit because China apparently really likes Terminator.

Edit: Here’s another link about the general deal if you’re interested. It’s more about growing Skydance than changing anything.http://deadline.com/2018/01/skydance-media-tencent-strategic-investment-movies-tv-china-1202269479/

[Andrew NDB]

First look at the main cast of Terminator 6:

http://www.highlander-community.com/t6.jpg

Looks like very... eh, progressive?

[neatoman]

Why is there a sixth Terminator movie in the works? Why are there any Terminator movies after the first one?

The second movie implied that you could change the future by going back in time, but somehow not erase the paradoxical child. The third said you can delay the future, but you can't change it in any other way. The fifth says you can even completely alter the circumstances and literally nothing will change.

But we saw that timeline was on a perfect loop in the first movie. Here are facts laid down by the first one.


John's father is unknown.
He was trained from childhood.
Kyle got a crush on Sarah from a photo.
Kyle is sent back because he volunteers.
Sarah is stuck in a dead end job without a boyfriend during the time she could conceivably get pregnant.
Kyle and Sarah bond while he protects her and they bone.
Kyle dies, can't be identified because he doesn't exist yet.
Pregnant Sarah escapes to Mexico.
A picture of her is taken, the same one Kyle had.


It's so obvious that there's no real room for a sequel.

[Spike Spiegel]

Why is there a sixth Terminator movie in the works? Why are there any Terminator movies after the first one?

The second movie implied that you could change the future by going back in time, but somehow not erase the paradoxical child. The third said you can delay the future, but you can't change it in any other way. The fifth says you can even completely alter the circumstances and literally nothing will change.

But we saw that timeline was on a perfect loop in the first movie. Here are facts laid down by the first one.


John's father is unknown.
He was trained from childhood.
Kyle got a crush on Sarah from a photo.
Kyle is sent back because he volunteers.
Sarah is stuck in a dead end job without a boyfriend during the time she could conceivably get pregnant.
Kyle and Sarah bond while he protects her and they bone.
Kyle dies, can't be identified because he doesn't exist yet.
Pregnant Sarah escapes to Mexico.
A picture of her is taken, the same one Kyle had.


It's so obvious that there's no real room for a sequel.

I mostly agree with this; I think the first film is the true classic out of the first two. Even now, I still think it has lots to unpack, thematically speaking. You could probably make some of the same points about Back to the Future.

The second still revolutionized special effects, though. I see it as more of an exercise in successful branding that happens to have an insane degree of nostalgic appeal for lots of people. A prototypical modern "summer movie" that happens to have more depth than the average film of its type.

First look at the main cast of Terminator 6:

http://www.highlander-community.com/t6.jpg

Looks like very... eh, progressive?



The real question is, why did they decide to make John Connor a transgender twink for this new film?

[frank_one]

One promotional image out and one can already tell this is gonna suck and why. Goodbye Hollywood.

[Andrew NDB]

Probably PG-13, too.

One promotional image out and one can already tell this is gonna suck and why. Goodbye Hollywood.

It's almost like... this has happened before...

https://ewedit.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/terminator-cast.jpg

https://78.media.tumblr.com/9c83887eeacf49206391d27ead87ecac/tumblr_ne9zg8YmeS1qd4rf5o2_640.jpg

[CyberCubed]

Terminator 3 was very underrated. I know people dislike that it undoes the ending from T2 and proves the future is still set in stone, but if you view it as just a fun action movie, it's pretty entertaining. A lot of good action set pieces too and it's held up well since it came out way back in 2003.

[frank_one]

Terminator 3 was very underrated. I know people dislike that it undoes the ending from T2 and proves the future is still set in stone, but if you view it as just a fun action movie, it's pretty entertaining. A lot of good action set pieces too and it's held up well since it came out way back in 2003.I agree, it is a good action movie on its own. Probably not what fans wanted and not with a particularly remarkable sci-fi plot, but it was enjoyable. Arnold was ok, not too old, the terminatrix was a cool new entry. Not sure about the guy who plays John Connor though. Marco Beltrami's score was wonderful.

[Andrew NDB]

T3 was decent. Didn't like the TX controlling cars B.S., hated the super awkward/creepy/weird "You remind me of my mother!" line and would have certainly cut the "talk to the hand" business... but other than that, I really dug it just fine.

[Wildcat]

Others have complained about that promo pic. Just stop people. There’s nothing to read into. All movies get promos that nobody gives a second thought to.

It’s ridiculous that every piece of material released for anything has to be scrutinized.

I’m 100% convinced some people are just cynical about stuff simply for the sake of it. It is absolutely a thing to be against stuff or to act like it anyway. I’m sure there’s a word for it.

[Andrew NDB]

I’m 100% convinced some people are just cynical about stuff simply for the sake of it. It is absolutely a thing to be against stuff or to act like it anyway. I’m sure there’s a word for it.

There's probably a term for it. Like, "Fool us once..."

(just talking about the franchise at large)

[Wildcat]

There's probably a term for it. Like, "Fool us once..."

(just talking about the franchise at large)It’s not about this franchise though. It’s everything. I mean a basic promo pic is making the news.

I check my usual forums for updates and when I saw it was just a picture that was released I honestly thought...oh that’s it? well nothing then.

Now I find it turned into a whole matter and it’s like this turned into a topic? This generic picture with 3 characters that we already know of?

[Andrew NDB]

It’s not about this franchise though. It’s everything. I mean a basic promo pic is making the news.

I check my usual forums for updates and when I saw it was just a picture that was released I honestly thought...oh that’s it? well nothing then.

Now I find it turned into a whole matter and it’s like this turned into a topic? This generic picture with 3 characters that we already know of?

What? We only know 1 of the 3 characters. The rest are... well... seem to fit certain... let's call them "archetypes"?

[Wildcat]

What? We only know 1 of the 3 characters. The rest are... well... seem to fit certain... let's call them "archetypes"?No I meant already knew of the actors. Not their specific details. Except Linda of course.

What do mean “archetypes”? That they’re purposely female heroes or something?

[neatoman]

I mostly agree with this; I think the first film is the true classic out of the first two. Even now, I still think it has lots to unpack, thematically speaking. You could probably make some of the same points about Back to the Future.

The second still revolutionized special effects, though. I see it as more of an exercise in successful branding that happens to have an insane degree of nostalgic appeal for lots of people. A prototypical modern "summer movie" that happens to have more depth than the average film of its type.


Sure, Terminator 2 is still a good movie, I'm not denying that. I'm just saying it doesn't make sense as a sequel.

If Sarah raised John to be a soldier in the first movie, that implies it's set in a stable time loop, the photo just clinched it. This means that the mission to destroy Cyberdyne in the second one makes no sense, because we already know they can't change anything.

[Sumac]

Sure, Terminator 2 is still a good movie, I'm not denying that. I'm just saying it doesn't make sense as a sequel.

If Sarah raised John to be a soldier in the first movie, that implies it's set in a stable time loop, the photo just clinched it. This means that the mission to destroy Cyberdyne in the second one makes no sense, because we already know they can't change anything.
I am agree - I like T2: it's a good movie, but it was absolutely unnecessary as a sequel and it's story doesn't really meshes with T1.

Hilariously T3, which I like, sort of "fixes" it.

[newfan]

I'm glad the creators didn't care about that though or no T2 :tgrin:
I don't know, I enjoy time loops and generally get them but if I think too much sometimes I can get into knots, Skynet failing and then trying again was good enough for me.

[Spike Spiegel]

I just realized that the actress in the center of that promo pic is Mackenzie Davis, who was also in an episode of Black Mirror and had a part in Blade Runner 2049.

She's so unrecognizably buff that I honestly thought it was a dude at first.

I think the lines on her arms might be a visual reference to the Cyberdyne logo:

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20071216073232/terminator/images/8/8a/Cyberdyne_logo.jpg

[Andrew NDB]

Sure, Terminator 2 is still a good movie, I'm not denying that. I'm just saying it doesn't make sense as a sequel.

If Sarah raised John to be a soldier in the first movie, that implies it's set in a stable time loop, the photo just clinched it. This means that the mission to destroy Cyberdyne in the second one makes no sense, because we already know they can't change anything.

We don't know that they can't change anything. Even despite the "closed loop" of the first movie, we know there had to be an original timeline where there was no loop. A timeline where John's dad was someone other than Reese, before Reese took that first travel back in time to step in and supplant that dad ad nauseum in the loop that was formed.

And even in a closed loop, repeated loops of it can introduce variables. Think the (highly underrated) "Predestination" movie.

[neatoman]

We don't know that they can't change anything. Even despite the "closed loop" of the first movie, we know there had to be an original timeline where there was no loop. A timeline where John's dad was someone other than Reese, before Reese took that first travel back in time to step in and supplant that dad ad nauseum in the loop that was formed.

And even in a closed loop, repeated loops of it can introduce variables. Think the (highly underrated) "Predestination" movie.

How exactly do we know there had to be a timeline where Kyle wasn't John's father? Based entirely on the first movie of course.

[Andrew NDB]

How exactly do we know there had to be a timeline where Kyle wasn't John's father? Based entirely on the first movie of course.

Because someone can't always have time-traveled from the future to the past before said future even existed.

It'd be like, starting Star Trek in 1966 with the Abrams movie, with Nero time-travelling back to blow up Vulcan and that's the first Trek we ever got or saw. Does that mean there wasn't an original timeline where Vulcan was still around for centuries and Nero didn't do that (yet?)?

[Spike Spiegel]

Because someone can't always have time-traveled from the future to the past before said future even existed.

It'd be like, starting Star Trek in 1966 with the Abrams movie, with Nero time-travelling back to blow up Vulcan and that's the first Trek we ever got or saw. Does that mean there wasn't an original timeline where Vulcan was still around for centuries and Nero didn't do that (yet?)?

Or starting the Back to the Future trilogy with Marty's richer, better looking parents in the "Lone Pine" reality as the default setting.

[Andrew NDB]

Come to think of it... it almost seems certain that Arnold is playing an evil Terminator in this. They showed their "heroes" picture in EW with the middle chick who is clearly a Terminator... how likely is it they have TWO friendly Terminators in their ranks?

[Leo656]

Buried on Page 12, so I assume that, like me, most of us have moved on from the franchise and think it was better left alone after Part 2.

That said, has anyone else seen this being discussed anywhere?
https://screenrant.com/terminator-6-theory-retcon-judgment-day/

- The ending of T2 "never happened" now? As in the most emotional part of the entire film, the part that elevates it from "decent action movie" to "Actually just a damn great MOVIE"-movie?
- Flashback scenes with a stand-in for Ed Furlong as John, retconning the finish of T2?
- John Connor either dead or not involved to any significant degree?
- Borrowing anything at all from "Genysis", specifically, "Arnold's Terminator has just been hanging around getting old since 1992"?

Dude... I don't care that Cameron himself is involved. None of that sounds like a good idea.

Two movies and a few pretty good books published by NOW Comics in 1988-1992. That's literally all the Terminator stuff the world ever needed. Maaaaybe the "Superman/Terminator: Death to the Future" mini-series, but even that is seriously pushing it.

[AquaParade]

Man, those sound like some odd choices.

Movie would have to be truly special for me to forgive those moves.

[Leo656]

Still to be confirmed, of course. But with what they described being based on stuff that's actually been seen being filmed... hm.

We'll see. As someone who thought T3 was alright (better than expected, really), "Salvation" wasn't quite treated fairly, opinion-wise (although the fact that it's not very memorable says a lot; I liked it more than most people, but I can't tell you much about it), and that "Genysis" was the single worst thing to carry the "Terminator" name since the NES games... my official position remains, "Two was all we needed, and frankly, the original wasn't all that great in the first place."

I mean, the original's a good movie, but T2 is a GREAT movie. People generally only describe the original as "great" because without it, the second one couldn't exist. But it's rather generic 80s action/sci-fi, taken completely as its own thing. A creative premise and a good-looking lead cast makes people forgive a lot. There's nothing "wrong" with it, but if the second one hadn't been such a knockout, we wouldn't revere the first one so much. That's just the way it is.

Likewise, "Genysis" was merely "Generic mid-2010s action/sci-fi", and I'm not sure they've figured out why it didn't work.

I'unno, we'll see. It'll take a lot to change my mind. Again, I like T3 and Salvation much more than any of you do, I'm sure... but I would never really be able to defend them in court, if you get me. I'm not convinced they deserve to exist, although I think they're Just Fine. At best, this new one might be more of the same.
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Also... anyone actually have or have read the NOW Comics "Terminator" books? I have a few. They're alright. Alex Ross's first major work was on some of the covers. Much of it came out before T2, so it was all the fans could get at that point, so they're an interesting curiosity if nothing else. A neat look at the franchise before it became a "Franchise".

They were fairly well-acclaimed when they were new, as I recall. I sadly don't own "The Burning Earth", which was apparently the most acclaimed. Maybe one day.

[Wildcat]

I’ve enjoyed all the sequels. Genysis is the weakest since it does so much and the follow up to that never happened leaving it totally open.

I actually think T2 is too much of a redo of the first. It just sends back another supposedly more powerful terminator that chases them for the whole movie.

I would prefer they continue from Salvation or do another war movie keeping it in the future.

About the T2 ending being undone. I personally do not mind. I had a similar idea about the T800 staying alive and living among humans til Skynet takes over. I mentioned it pages ago on here.

[Leo656]

Well, that's certainly an opinion.

I think if you overdo any "good" idea, it turns to sludge, and thus, most good things shouldn't be franchised to death. They inevitably are, but they shouldn't be. I strongly believe that some things need to be kept pure. But I get it, that's not an opinion that's gonna fly around here. This forum only exists to worship the franchising of Good Things to death, after all.

But I do agree that I'd be far more interested in seeing more of the actual "Future War", a'la "Salvation", since that's the only part of the franchise that HASN'T been beaten into the ground. That's what I'd do. I'd be more curious about more of that; I'm very not interested in someone trying to convince me that they can reboot the "classic" films into something better. I'm sick of time travel and parallel dimensions and the plot holes and headaches they cause. T2 actually had a point of view, it was *about* something... if we can't get back to THAT, can we at least keep it simple and just have a bunch of ragtag soldiers fighting killer robots in the far future?

All the time travel nonsense... Do people generally not understand that "Terminator" is NOT about time travel, specifically? It's about Fate vs. Free Will; the time travel and killer robots just make it colorful. Just because those things are IN the plot, doesn't mean that's what the story is ABOUT. That's what "Genysis" completely didn't understand. That's why I feel you can't keep making these; you just get further and further away from the POINT of the story, which was simply, "The future isn't written, there's no fate but what we make for ourselves."

"Nah man. Robots. TIME TRAVEL ROBOTS. With machine guns." I get it, but that isn't the story's point. :ohwell:

There's two groups of Terminator Fans: The "As Long As We Get More Movies" camp, and the "Do We Need Any More Movies If They're Not Gonna Help Anything?" camp. Guess which one I'm in! :trazz:

[Wildcat]

Well you know how I feel about building on a story/world. So I don’t mind more movies I’d just prefer they get on with the war or even something different.

I really liked the idea of the T-Infinity. I haven’t read any of the comics but after I found out about that character it sounds awesome to me.

Even if robots and time travel were not the point I think you could do more than returning over and over again. Time travel doesn’t have to be repetitive.

Maybe they have though. This might actually do something really creative.

[Leo656]

Doing the math, IF those rumors are true, then I'm pretty sure that what's gonna happen is, they go back to the end of T2, and something happens so that John dies and the T-800 lives. If they're doing flashback scenes with a stand-in for Young John, and "John Connor" himself either doesn't appear or barely appears in this new one... I can't imagine what else they'd be doing.

That really isn't gonna work. That Ending was the entire emotional lynchpin of the movie, and what the entire moral lesson of the film hinged upon. The idea that a CYBORG (or whatever) had come to understand and even care for humanity SO much, that he was willing to sacrifice himself to ensure that Humanity would survive, even if it went against the very concept behind his own existence.

"If a machine... a Terminator... can come to understand the value of human life... maybe we can, too..." ((Cue Epic Closing Soundtrack))

I can't understand why anyone would want to walk back on that. Especially the guy who filmed it in the first place. Surely he more than anyone would understand why it's dangerous to tinker with stuff like that.

Frankly, I find "world-building" to be fun when appropriate but absolutely not necessary for every single story. The "world" is essentially supposed to be our own; the only place with room to "build" is in the future, and they're afraid to go back there after "Salvation" underwhelmed.

Some things are just better as self-contained things with a beginning, middle, and end. Would "They Live" be a (cult) classic film if it was just the first one in a series, and they then spent eight movies chasing the Evil Aliens across the galaxy? I don't need everything handed to me and over-explained. I don't need to know about the aliens' homeworld. I don't care who created the Magic Sunglasses. The movie wasn't ABOUT that, it was a metaphor for 80s consumerism and corporate greed, no more and no less. It's brilliant satire and social commentary. If they'd done even ONE more of them, then it's Just Another Movie About Alien Invaders. "World-building" would have ruined the SH*T out of that movie, and I'm glad they didn't bother screwing with it.

"A writer can tell any story they want; the wisdom is in knowing when they shouldn't." I forget who first said that but it's accurate as hell.

I'm starting to wonder if Cameron's just starting to worry about his retirement egg. He's made a lot of questionable decisions in recent years. I'm beginning to feel like... maybe he's never been all that great and just got really, really lucky a few times?

[Wildcat]

Ya that was the point of him sacrificing himself but if Skynet taking over is inevitable (as T3 suggests, I know it’s not being acknowledged) I can see them being like...this whole thing is too big a risk. I’ll stay and we can prepare for this another way. Might seem like an excuse but it works imo.

That’s why I like the T-Infinity because it’s purpose is to balance out timelines and ensure Skynet takes over. It’s cool and practical :lol:

I know a lot people think that about movies...knowing when to stop...but I don’t think that’s the problem. I think a lot times things either get a little repetitive or sometimes ends up more complicated if different writers come along.

Pretty much what happened here. I would have liked to see what they had planned for a Genisys 2. It probably would have created more questions but at least it would have explained the point.

I’ve never seen They Live but I actually do think of that “other stuff” that we don’t see and wonder what it would be like if they made it. That’s me though. I feel if you have a unique idea it should be developed.

Oh and I’m sure Cameron would be fine without another Terminator movie.

[Leo656]

Oh, I wonder about things, but my imagination does the job just fine.

Only some of people's problems with the Star Wars Prequels, for example - or "Solo" - were about acting, direction, etc. A huge chunk of it was, "These are questions that didn't need spoon-fed answers."

Most things are actually better in your head than they'd ever be on the screen. If you over-develop a unique idea, it simply isn't unique anymore. You polish something too much, you rub all the shine off.

As for the validity of T3's "The Future is written, everything is predetermined by Fate" moral... I'm sorry, that's just a terrible message to send. They literally only did that to leave the door open for more movies. Fatalism isn't a philosophy anyone should embrace; it explicitly states that "Nothing matters, everything is predetermined." And that's plain terrible. If I'm "fated" to die poor, why should I go to work every day? If I'm "fated" to get divorced, should I even bother getting married?

I believe that people have Free Will, and that you create your own future. I feel very strongly about that. All life is about choice, which implies freedom. Fatalism isn't just the exact opposite of everything I believe in as a human being, it's also a terribly soul-crushing and defeating thing to believe in altogether.

If the ultimate moral of this series is going to be, "Nothing matters, we're definitely gonna all die via Sentient Interwebz and Evil Robots no matter what we do"... then I'm definitely not interested. Where's the HOPE in that? WHY even fight back? This is what I don't get. It's illogical.

They took a story that was fundamentally about Hope, and turned it into the exact opposite. That's a very questionable decision, even if it IS the only way they get to keep making movies. But that brings us back to... "Should they?"
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Yes, he probably is fine, better even, but he's entirely too preoccupied with his eight Avatar sequels nobody wants, and now he may have retconned the ending of his best movie just so he could make another one. These aren't the choices of someone who's operating at peak functionality. These are the deeds of a man who's getting old and suddenly very, very concerned as to whether anyone's going to remember anything he did after "Titanic".

He also comes off as a complete lunatic in interviews, but that's a whole other topic.

[Wildcat]

Oh I believe in free will too (look at my signature...I didn’t just use it because it’s from Sonic). I meant if they wanted to rework how Skynet took over I’d be ok with it. As long as it was plausible.

The speculation is that maybe John dies for some reason after the events of T2 and they go back to stop the T800 from sacrificing himself. I’d be fine with that.

Sure they’ve already gotten the message across but you could probably say that about a lot of movies. To continue the characters and concept is a different thing. Which I like so...

Well Cameron is actually involved this time so I just hope he doesn’t go back on it or ignore it one day.

[Leo656]

The greatest bit of hope comes from the fact that it is indeed Cameron himself at the wheel, and you would hope he of all people would understand what works and what doesn't for this franchise.

We shall see.

[Egon1982]

This franchise is long dead after T2 and the dead horse has been beaten as this franchise is like a recessative shambling zombie that's what is, it should be shot in the head so it won't shuffle around anymore searching for new life! i feel the story ended well with T2 as Skynet was finally destroyed and John and Sarah moved on with their lives.

I mean, your just gonna keep getting diminishing returns and when that happens let it die, come up with new franchises! let it rest in peace.

[Sumac]

"Nah man. Robots. TIME TRAVEL ROBOTS. With machine guns." I get it, but that isn't the story's point. :ohwell:

There's two groups of Terminator Fans: The "As Long As We Get More Movies" camp, and the "Do We Need Any More Movies If They're Not Gonna Help Anything?" camp. Guess which one I'm in! :trazz:
I prefer any movies over NO movies.
Besides, it's not like I have any influence on the franchise.

Also, franchise can evolve beyond its original idea. Not in this case though.

[Egon1982]

Who agrees T2 is the end of the story?

[Andrew NDB]

No problem with T3. T4 was harmless but added nothing, T5 was embarrassing to watch with only some minor decent Arnold moments.

[Egon1982]

I think it's time they let this franchise go, your just gonna get diminishing returns and when that happens let it go and do new franchsies like John Wick for example which i support new franchises

[Sumac]

Or just give it to writers who can do some new stuff with the lore.

[Leo656]

Title revealed?

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/james-cameron-reveals-dark-title-new-terminator-movie-teases-hardened-sarah-connor-224538641.html

"Dark Fate", eh? Interesting.

[Andrew NDB]

Title revealed?

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/james-cameron-reveals-dark-title-new-terminator-movie-teases-hardened-sarah-connor-224538641.html

"Dark Fate", eh? Interesting.

That's a terrible title. It sounds like the name of someone's bad fanfiction from like the late 90s.

[Leo656]

Why yes, yes it does. :lol:

It's kinda like...
https://www.memecreator.org/static/images/memes/3820772.jpg

[Papenbrook]

Title revealed?

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/james-cameron-reveals-dark-title-new-terminator-movie-teases-hardened-sarah-connor-224538641.html

"Dark Fate", eh? Interesting.

Hmm ...

... It kind of describes Paramount's eventual fate ...

[Leo656]

:lol: They're rich, they'll be fine.

Nice stiff jab, though.

[ZariusTwo]

We have a title

Terminator: Dark Fate

https://deadline.com/2019/03/terminator-dark-fate-new-terminator-title-1202578246/

[Andrew NDB]

We have a title

Terminator: Dark Fate

https://deadline.com/2019/03/terminator-dark-fate-new-terminator-title-1202578246/

It was the working title for a while before this.

I don't like it. Seems like the title of someone's Terminator fanfic.

[Leo656]

This "Sequel that ignores and actively apologizes for the last few movies in the series" trend is already exhausting and annoying, and half of them didn't even come out yet.

"I KNOW, we promised you that the last movie was great... and the one before that... and... well, you get the point. The thing is, we agree with you that they're terrible... even though we had no problem aggressively marketing them to you, telling you they were great, and then taking all of your money for them... But hey, THIS TIME we're playing straight with you! Honest! You KNOW it's good this time because we're just gonna pretend only the stuff you liked happened, and ignore whatever you didn't! There's NO WAY we'd ever sell you a bad movie about a thing you obviously all care so much about.

............Again, I mean."

It's like when you watch wrestling, and someone "breaks character" to essentially say, "I know everything else on this show is fake, but THIS RIGHT NOW is REAL, and I swear I'm actually Really Mad and Actually Going To Non-Fake Kick Your Ass, Just This ONE Time, Because THAT Is How Angry I Am!" :lol: Same thing as these "Apology Reboots"; if you have two eyes, a brain, and ANY knowledge of history at all, you know they're completely full of sh*t.

I'mma go reboot Police Academy with a gutsy new approach that only counts 1, 2, "Citizens On Patrol" and "City Under Siege" as canon. The world desperately needs this. And frankly, so does Steve Guttenberg.

[Wildcat]

But it’s not the same people making every movie. This was Cameron and Miller’s choice.

I guess if they really wanted to acknowledge 3, 4 and 5 they could but then it’d have to be a different story than whatever it is.

If Genysis had been more popular they obviously would have given that the follow up. I’d like see what they had planned for that.

[Andrew NDB]

They've publicly said 3, 4, and 5 could've happened given the nature of, you know, the way the whole Terminator thing works.

That's good enough for me. I'm personally only interested in seeing something like a more high-action "Inglorious Basterds 2029" at this point.

[Wildcat]

Oh I know. Cameron said it that really early interview QandA. I’m fine with that but he clearly doesn’t and he said in a...well if you really want too...manner.

[Andrew NDB]

Oh I know. Cameron said it that really early interview QandA. I’m fine with that but he clearly doesn’t and he said in a...well if you really want too...manner.

My instinct is to hurl insults at him... but there's the whole "don't bet against Cameron" thing. I found myself poised to hate Alita... yet I saw it once, then immediately took my daughter to see it. Awesome movie. And like this, he didn't direct, but his hands were all over it.

[Wildcat]

I trust it’ll be a good movie. I don’t have anything against him. It’s just annoying that he seems to be really against 3,4,5.

I know Genisys maybe tries to do too much but it never got the follow up. They were clearly going for something interesting imo.

[Sumac]

Junkie XL will compose music for the new Terminator movie. (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/terminator-dark-fate-lands-composer-junkie-xl-1196327)

I hope it will be better than music in the last two movies.

[Papenbrook]

First Alita, then Sonic, and now Terminator.

Junkie's really on a roll right now. :anime:

[Leo656]

I generally like his stuff. I think he does a little bit better as a collaborator but I own a couple of the soundtracks he's worked on. I actually think he's about as perfect for Terminator as it gets, given his general style, so regardless of how the movie turns out I think the music should be quite good.

I f*cking hate that name he gave himself, though. "Junkie XL". WTF? :lol:

[TigerClaw]

I generally like his stuff. I think he does a little bit better as a collaborator but I own a couple of the soundtracks he's worked on. I actually think he's about as perfect for Terminator as it gets, given his general style, so regardless of how the movie turns out I think the music should be quite good.

I f*cking hate that name he gave himself, though. "Junkie XL". WTF? :lol:
He's been going by the name Junkie XL for years. As he used to produced a lot of dance music back in the days. and a lot of good ones.

[Leo656]

Yeah, but is he actually a heroin guy, or just trying to be "edgy"?

Given his activity in the electronica "scene", I have to assume it's the former, which is very disappointing. Either way, it's a stupid, stupid name.

[Sumac]

Leo is triggered by someone's alias?
lol.

[Leo656]

It's an objectively stupid pseudonym.

Just like "triggered" is an objectively stupid thing for an adult to say. To anyone, for any reason.

I like the guy's music. His "professional" name is stupid. Lots of people give themselves stupid names. I'll comment on it if I feel like. I'm sure he expected people to make such comments when he gave himself the handle.

[Sumac]

That's still strange thing to be annoyed about.
But whatever.
You are special and unique snowflake, so I guess you do you.

[Andrew NDB]

I'm OK with "triggered" being used ironically. When someone says in earnest things like, "trigger warning!" or "I felt triggered when..." then that's dumb.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Oh look, Leo, the monkey is throwing fruit again! I feel like we should start charging admission for this....

[Sumac]

Oh look, Leo, the monkey is throwing fruit again! I feel like we should start charging admission for this....
Am I hearing a quacking?
Or is it just noise of the windswept leaves?

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Welp, guess the zoo is a little quieter now. A shame, really. It was kind of entertaining seeing that hole being dug.

[Leo656]

Looks like they dug right into the septic tank. :lol:

[Andrew NDB]

https://media.giphy.com/media/jBUyVw6DKmlbO/giphy.gif

[Leo656]

I like you. You're silly.

[TigerClaw]

Junkie XL has a Youtube Channel. and on it he talks about how he compose the scores in the movies he's involved in. Lots of good stuff. At some point. He'll post videos on how he made the themes and such for the new Terminator Movie.
https://www.youtube.com/user/junkiexlofficial/

[Leo656]

Interesting, I might take a look.

As y'all may or may not know, I'm absolutely fascinated by the Creative Process. Behind-The-Scenes stuff, what goes into the ideas, the "making of", all that stuff. It's supremely interesting to me.

[Andrew NDB]

Pictures:

http://collider.com/terminator-dark-fate-images/#arnold-schwarzenegger

Looks like more Genisys.

[neatoman]

Anybody find it funny that these movies insist on casting Arnold and/or use his likeness everytime despite it technically being a different character each time, while John Connor (a singular character) has literally gone through six actors by this point?

[Andrew NDB]

Anybody find it funny that these movies insist on casting Arnold and/or use his likeness everytime despite it technically being a different character each time, while John Connor (a singular character) has literally gone through six actors by this point?

It's dumb. Even in T2 it was stretching believability that SkyNET would just keep recycling the same Arnold skin for more Terminators, defeating their whole purpose. It's kind of like Kirk and Spock with Star Trek. Like, if Star Trek can't grow past them, then it doesn't deserve to keep going. Same with Terminator and Arnold.

And the John Connor actors thing is beyond stupid. I get that Furlong was a mess when it was time to film T3, but surely they could have kept Nick Stahl around, or Christian Bale for Genisys, for pete's sake.

[Xav]

Christian Bale didn't want to do Terminator Salvation in the first place. I doubt getting him back was an option.

[Andrew NDB]

"Terminator: Dark Fate Director: Why Mackenzie Davis Will ‘Scare the F*** Out of’ Misogynists":

https://variety.com/2019/film/features/director-tim-miller-terminator-dark-fate-comic-con-1203262797/

An early “Dark Fate” poster received backlash, calling Davis and her co-stars “feminazis” and other chauvinist hate speech. How do you think she’ll be received in the room at Comic-Con?

If you’re at all enlightened, she’ll play like gangbusters. If you’re a closet misogynist, she’ll scare the f–k out of you, because she’s tough and strong but very feminine. We did not trade certain gender traits for others; she’s just very strong, and that frightens some dudes. You can see online the responses to some of the early s–t that’s out there, trolls on the internet. I don’t give a f–k.

I need to be "enlightened" to enjoy her performance? Oh, no...

https://ibb.co/0K9L9bx

[Papenbrook]

I ... don't really see anything wrong with what he said.

The trolls were being unnecessarily disrespectful towards the actress. Ergo, he felt the need to stood up for her.

I have to thank Miller for his handling of the whole controversy.

On a similar note, there are so many women-led films coming out.

Dora, Maleficient, Charlie's Angels, Terminator, Frozen, Birds of Prey, Mulan, Black Widow, Wonder Woman, The Eternals ...

... with many more unknown/upcoming. It feels like we're living in a new era; it's exciting! :D

[Sumac]

"Terminator: Dark Fate Director: Why Mackenzie Davis Will ‘Scare the F*** Out of’ Misogynists":

https://variety.com/2019/film/features/director-tim-miller-terminator-dark-fate-comic-con-1203262797/

An early “Dark Fate” poster received backlash, calling Davis and her co-stars “feminazis” and other chauvinist hate speech. How do you think she’ll be received in the room at Comic-Con?

If you’re at all enlightened, she’ll play like gangbusters. If you’re a closet misogynist, she’ll scare the f–k out of you, because she’s tough and strong but very feminine. We did not trade certain gender traits for others; she’s just very strong, and that frightens some dudes. You can see online the responses to some of the early s–t that’s out there, trolls on the internet. I don’t give a f–k.

I need to be "enlightened" to enjoy her performance? Oh, no...
That's funny how back in the day we had Ripley and Sarah Connor from T2. Those characters were adored for their strength, without producers white knighting about "their strength, which gonna scare some dudes".

I generally, hope that those people just saying this **** for the sake of getting "woke" cookies, because, if they are really thinking this ****, they are very sad human beings, who have very little idea how actual human works and why all their "progressive" ******** is turning more and more people away from their ideology.

[Vegita-San]

I honestly want to see what portion of hollywood truly thinks and believes everything like this that they say.. and what portion of hollywood is doing it just to keep their jobs.

I have a feeling the latter is going to be the larger number.

It's almost like the cult of scientology branched in new direction and is taking over hollywood in a different manner.

[Sumac]

... with many more unknown/upcoming. It feels like we're living in a new era; it's exciting! :D[/I]
New era of toothless committee approved paper thin characters in generic CGI filled blockbusters?

**** this Era.

[ZariusTwo]

Dora, Maleficient, Charlie's Angels, Terminator, Frozen, Birds of Prey, Mulan, Black Widow, Wonder Woman, The Eternals ...

... with many more unknown/upcoming. It feels like we're living in a new era; it's exciting! :D[/I]
I love how you place Dora in the same leauge as Frozen and Wonder Woman...just so you know, Dora's probably gonna bring all the pedos to the theatres:roll:

[Andrew NDB]

Whoa... Edward Furlong's coming back as John?

https://comicbook.com/movies/2019/07/18/terminator-dark-fate-eddie-furlong-john-connor-return/?fbclid=IwAR17xRB_Trm_YsR-BFFc5lYbQDWQydzyHsqg7y1KvIs5jvifja00I9MTW_8

[Skinrash]

Whoa... Edward Furlong's coming back as John?

https://comicbook.com/movies/2019/07/18/terminator-dark-fate-eddie-furlong-john-connor-return/?fbclid=IwAR17xRB_Trm_YsR-BFFc5lYbQDWQydzyHsqg7y1KvIs5jvifja00I9MTW_8

Weird. I thought they were only going to show a child version of John Connor in this film.

[Andrew NDB]

Weird. I thought they were only going to show a child version of John Connor in this film.

I'm hearing the movie is in the midst of reshoots... so he could be a last minute addition.

[Sumac]

So, it's on its way to become another failed "first part of the trilogy", like previous three movies, eh?

[Andrew NDB]

So, it's on its way to become another failed "first part of the trilogy", like previous three movies, eh?

Kind of seems that way.

[Wildcat]

Maybe just a cameo. Depends how he’s portrayed like if it’s a flashback or something. The speculation is that John died so maybe they just show when it happened.

[Xav]

Whoa... Edward Furlong's coming back as John?

https://comicbook.com/movies/2019/07/18/terminator-dark-fate-eddie-furlong-john-connor-return/?fbclid=IwAR17xRB_Trm_YsR-BFFc5lYbQDWQydzyHsqg7y1KvIs5jvifja00I9MTW_8Nice to see Tim Miller stand up to misogynists by hiring a repeated domestic abuser.

[Andrew NDB]

Nice to see Tim Miller stand up to misogynists by hiring a repeated domestic abuser.

Really? Convicted?

[Coola Yagami]

Nice to see Tim Miller stand up to misogynists by hiring a repeated domestic abuser.

Their private life should not concern you, just the character they play.

Not that I condone domestic abuse but he'll eventually get his if it's true. If not, leave John Connor alone.

[Andrew NDB]

A little bit of research, doesn't seem like he was actually convicted of any domestic abuse. Accused 3 times.

Now, I 100% sympathize. I can attest to crazy women out there (and Furlong strikes me as the sort that keeps their company) that call the cops over nothing. My ex-wife came home in a bad mood one day at 6 PM and insisted I turn off the sound system of my computer because she was going to bed out of the blue. I didn't do so and she got loud and beligerent, called the cops in front of me and did like a 10 minutes bit of theater, feigning screaming and being smacked around. It was very bizarre, but I ended up in jail for the weekend. Wasn't convicted, of course, because I didn't do anything.

A few other times she would call the cops when I wouldn't "get out!" after arguments. Nasty stuff.

[Papenbrook]

Going forward, I will no longer support Tim Miller.

I won't EVER watch/view material that was created by someone who tolerated domestic violence/abuse.

[Autbot_Benz]

Going forward, I will no longer support Tim Miller.

I won't EVER watch/view material that was created by someone who tolerated domestic violence/abuse.

Jesus Christ you really are a ****ing snowflake. Did you not read what Andrew posted ACCUSED aka not actually convicted of anything but in your woke SJW Mind Accused is the same as being convicted

Also nobody gives a rats ass if you support them or not

[frank_one]

I'm glad they are bringing Furlong back for the role, hoping he's in the movie for a good chunk of it, not just a 30 seconds cameo at the start before being killed by the robots and activating his mother's rage mode.
I hope Furlong can get back in shape a little and put his career back on tracks for a while.

[Wildcat]

Well the movie wrapped before and there was an interview with him talking about his thoughts on Dark Fate which he was not involved in until this news.

Other than a flashback where he dies the only thing I think of is he faked his death and joins Ramos at the very end in a cameo after they’ve “won” and they set off to prepare for whatever comes next.

I’m guessing his role must be very small.

[Sumac]

Going forward, I will no longer support Tim Miller.

I won't EVER watch/view material that was created by someone who tolerated domestic violence/abuse.
Good.
What else?

[Skinrash]

Going forward, I will no longer support Tim Miller.

I won't EVER watch/view material that was created by someone who tolerated domestic violence/abuse.

Are you going to avoid everything Harvey Weinstein worked on to? Cause that's a lot of popular and critically appraised movies you'll be missing out on then.

[Egon1982]

Sounds like another Ballbusters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF0VJ5T0oAY

[Andrew NDB]

Furlong really is filming stuff. And in a couple of days.

https://www.theterminatorfans.com/bam-margera-says-edward-furlong-is-filming-terminator-dark-fate/

[CyberCubed]

is it really worth bringing him back just to possibly die? Seems like a big screw you to fans of his, or rather John Conner being the hero in general.

[TigerClaw]

Since he's now filming his scenes. I wonder if they had to do some reshoots to add him to the movie's plot. Or he's just gonna show up in some Mid Credit or Post Credit Scene?

[Andrew NDB]

Since he's now filming his scenes. I wonder if they had to do some reshoots to add him to the movie's plot. Or he's just gonna show up in some Mid Credit or Post Credit Scene?

Maybe to tease the sequel. :lol:

[Andrew NDB]

Pretty decent article about the movie:

https://www.theterminatorfans.com/terminator-dark-fates-toxic-marketing-campaign/

[Wildcat]

I don’t buy into any supposed studio agenda or political marketing. Those wanting to be against something will create any reason and go with it.

People love claiming movies were so much better “back in the day” but one thing was actually better...every hater, cynic and whiner could not voice to the world why a movie is all wrong.

Studios could actually make a movie without a crap storm every time a piece of info, picture or design was revealed or even just an announcement.

I’ve seen some pretty ridiculous reasons why Dark Fate will suck. Again though I think some is just trolling because you can kinda tell when it’s on purpose. After awhile it’s like...oh I see what you’re doing.

Imagine if we had current day internet in the 90s. Some would have crapped on T2’s development too. Who’s this cop? They’re trying to replace Arnold! Omg they cast a kid? So dumb *facepalm*, cash-grab.

Seriously that definitely would have happened. It happens to everything.

[ZariusTwo]

I don’t buy into any supposed studio agenda or political marketing.

Naive shills never do.

People love claiming movies were so much better “back in the day” but one thing was actually better...every hater, cynic and whiner could not voice to the world why a movie is all wrong

"hater" "cynic" and "whiner" are buzz words used by naive shills to try and diminish voices of reason and critical thinking. Shills don't want their innocent view of the world shattered and want cheap shallow mind-eroding propaganda entertainment to reign forever so long as it gives them that warm, wuzzie fuzzy feeling inside.

And yeah, even back in the "good old days" there was propaganda going on, we just weren't of the age to see it. That or it was subtle and not as in your face. People have smartened up since then, you obviously haven't, or are unwilling to in order to maintain a childlike wonderment as a means of coping with a more fragmented and hostile world.

Nothing wrong with that, but when trying to use that mentality to play down criticism of something, it's not a wise move. Don't try to paint how you see the planet as the way everyone should be with these movies, if people want to freely point out cultural appropriations and far more telling propaganda, they are entitled to that opinion and there's NOTHING you can do about it.

[Sumac]

I don’t buy into any supposed studio agenda or political marketing. Those wanting to be against something will create any reason and go with it.
Studio might not have any agenda themselves, but they can pretend that they do, to pander to crazies infecting Internet.

People love claiming movies were so much better “back in the day” but one thing was actually better...every hater, cynic and whiner could not voice to the world why a movie is all wrong.
I can. So do many people.
Apparently in your world any criticism is whining or cynical hating.

I’ve seen some pretty ridiculous reasons why Dark Fate will suck. Again though I think some is just trolling because you can kinda tell when it’s on purpose. After awhile it’s like...oh I see what you’re doing.
TDF most likely will suck, not because of faux-feminism agenda, but because so far it looks like it will be an unoriginal boring super-heroisque piece of crap, no better than Genisys or maybe even worse.

TG for all its faults was entertaining, even if it was blithering stupid and generic.

[Wildcat]

I can. So do many people.
Apparently in your world any criticism is whining or cynical hating.No but a lot comes off that way because it’s usually said in a smart aleck or exaggerated way.

But there are people who actually do give well formed reasonable criticism without trashing whatever it is. They deserve a mention because it’s often the complete opposite.

TDF most likely will suck, not because of faux-feminism agenda, but because so far it looks like it will be an unoriginal boring super-heroisque piece of crap, no better than Genisys or maybe even worse.

TG for all its faults was entertaining, even if it was blithering stupid and generic.I don’t agree Dark Fate looks superhero-ish or unoriginal. Sure if you did not know what it was it can seem like just another action movie.

Ignoring 3-5, what we’ve seen so far fits imo. Within the storyline the threats are getting bigger so everything getting turned up makes sense.

Even so in terms of action/sci-fi making a completely original sequel is kind of impossible. Things are bound to get repetitive in sequels.

Since it takes place current day it should be more than just another robot chase but I still think the future war would have been the more interesting direction.

[Andrew NDB]

I agree with everything Sumac said but yeah... had we to go back a couple of movies, the soundest course forward would have been commiting to the Salvation timeline and furthering the Future War. No more time travel, no more Terminators sent back in time to protect. Just the Future War that we were always promised.

Salvation, while a very small and misguided movie pretending to be a big movie, was the last time it seemed like they knew what they were doing.

[Sumac]

I don’t agree Dark Fate looks superhero-ish or unoriginal. Sure if you did not know what it was it can seem like just another action movie.
What difference does it make?
It looks generic and the stuff shown so far is basically copy paste of stuff from the previous 5 movies (and I am not talking about general story which is copypaste in itself). If it somehow makes it "original", than I don't know. Our ideas about "originality" are very different, I suppose.

Ignoring 3-5, what we’ve seen so far fits imo. Within the storyline the threats are getting bigger so everything getting turned up makes sense.
Except its not, since the threat is the same: AI trying to destroy humanity.
As for scaling things up, it can be done without going full CGI stupid.

Even so in terms of action/sci-fi making a completely original sequel is kind of impossible. Things are bound to get repetitive in sequels.
WTF.
So copypasting the same story for the 5th time in the series is normal?

[Wildcat]

What difference does it make?
It looks generic and the stuff shown so far is basically copy paste of stuff from the previous 5 movies (and I am not talking about general story which is copypaste in itself). If it somehow makes it "original", than I don't know. Our ideas about "originality" are very different, I suppose.I don’t really think you expected a 100% original sequel in what’s supposed to be a part 3.

Pretty much impossible without making it a hard reboot. There’s more fantastic ways they could have gone but Miller and Cameron made it clear they wanted to keep it as straightforward as possible.
Except its not, since the threat is the same: AI trying to destroy humanity.
As for scaling things up, it can be done without going full CGI stupid.
It’s not the same. A bigger force has come back. I don’t mean a giant robot. You’re referring to the general source...not the situation/context the characters will physically face.

CGI is only the means of putting it on screen. You just wanted to take a silly crack at it being cgi.
WTF.
So copypasting the same story for the 5th time in the series is normal?Again the Future War would be better especially since they’ve only used it once. So I agree this particular story was unnecessary but it could still be good.

Anyway ya a lot of long running series use the same basic storyline over and over. The same elements and plot devices are reused while adding characters and motivations to keep it going. That’s how how it goes.

[ZariusTwo]

Our ideas about "originality" are very different, I suppose.

WNVHehtMsk4

[Sumac]

I don’t really think you expected a 100% original sequel in what’s supposed to be a part 3.
Imagine expecting new stuff in a 6th movie in a series, where 4 out of 5 previous sequels used THE SAME STORY with minor changes.
Unfathomable.

Pretty much impossible without making it a hard reboot. There’s more fantastic ways they could have gone but Miller and Cameron made it clear they wanted to keep it as straightforward as possible.
Actually its possible with some imagination and creativity, but so far, Miller made it clear he is not a man who have creativity when it comes to Terminator.
He is a man who can make toxic proclamations, though, but it hardly has anything to do with quality of the movie.

It’s not the same. A bigger force has come back. I don’t mean a giant robot. You’re referring to the general source...not the situation/context the characters will physically face.
********.
Hunter arrives from the future. Defender arrives to the future. They are trying to kill and save target respectively.
Yeah, so new. Very fresh. So original. :roll:
By this margin T3 is overflowing with originality.

CGI is only the means of putting it on screen. You just wanted to take a silly crack at it being cgi.
Do you take everything so literally?
No wonder, you can't understand what "originality" is.

Anyway ya a lot of long running series use the same basic storyline over and over. The same elements and plot devices are reused while adding characters and motivations to keep it going. That’s how how it goes.
Yeah, all long running franchises copypaste main stories to the point, where you can just change few names and voila, new movie!! Oh, wait. it's something only Terminator does.

I am sorry that you are so...set in your understanding of things, but it just tells me you've got a big problem with thinking outside of box and understanding contexts.

Like for example that every Terminator, since T3 was supposed to be the start of the new trilogy. Or that they reused story elements, because writers were lazy idiots and prefered to use them as a crutch to compensate for the lack of original ideas, because, original ideas are risky and might fail.
:ohwell:

[oldmanwinters]

I agree with everything Sumac said but yeah... had we to go back a couple of movies, the soundest course forward would have been commiting to the Salvation timeline and furthering the Future War. No more time travel, no more Terminators sent back in time to protect. Just the Future War that we were always promised.

Salvation, while a very small and misguided movie pretending to be a big movie, was the last time it seemed like they knew what they were doing.

I wanted to love that movie so much. Having Christian Bale on board seemed to be a sure ticket to a viable new trilogy.

[Wildcat]

@Sumac, I don’t know what you want me to say. The typical complaints people label movies with I guess.

If you really think it’s gonna be so awful then what direction would you take? I genuinely want to know.

I said what I wanted and posted some other ideas I had before in the thread if you want to read them. Unless they’re in the other one. I think we ended up with 2 topics for this movie.

Honestly though it sounds like you’re just purposely claiming to want something unrealistically great in order to justify complaining.

Not that it matters but for the record I don’t think Dark Fate will be perfect. I think it’ll be better than 3 and 5. So it has that going for it...and I really liked T3.

[TigerClaw]

I wanted to love that movie so much. Having Christian Bale on board seemed to be a sure ticket to a viable new trilogy.
I enjoyed Salvation. But its unfortunate about all the drama that went on behind the scenes during the making of that movie.

@Sumac, I don’t know what you want me to say. The typical complaints people label movies with I guess.

If you really think it’s gonna be so awful then what direction would you take? I genuinely want to know.

I said what I wanted and posted some other ideas I had before in the thread if you want to read them. Unless they’re in the other one. I think we ended up with 2 topics for this movie.

Honestly though it sounds like you’re just purposely claiming to want something unrealistically great in order to justify complaining.

Not that it matters but for the record I don’t think Dark Fate will be perfect. I think it’ll be better than 3 and 5. So it has that going for it...and I really liked T3.
I guess some people want good acting in these movies. and things to make sense. Which I think is ridiculous. You're not supposed to take movies like this seriously. Its just entertainment.

[Andrew NDB]

I enjoyed Salvation. But its unfortunate about all the drama that went on behind the scenes during the making of that movie.

It has its moments. The core storyline is utterly pointless, though, as much as I enjoyed the backdrop and setting and Yelchin's Reese (which is still better than Genisys, which had a point but had appallingly bad story and casting).

[Sumac]

If you really think it’s gonna be so awful then what direction would you take? I genuinely want to know.
No time travel? Anything but time travel? Or at least make it more creative than old rusty T1 scheme?

Honestly though it sounds like you’re just purposely claiming to want something unrealistically great in order to justify complaining.
Yeah, wanting just a good movie with a solid storyline and quality actro performance, which are not second fiddled to the CGI is definitely unreasonable.

If you want a stupid chewing gum, you just can say so. I will understand.

However, claiming that seemingly reused plot is "original" or that people who want good (not great, just good) story have "unrealistic expectations" makes the whole thing look rather silly.

I guess some people want good acting in these movies. and things to make sense. Which I think is ridiculous. You're not supposed to take movies like this seriously. Its just entertainment.
I hope this is an irony, right?

[ZariusTwo]

I guess some people want good acting in these movies. and things to make sense. Which I think is ridiculous. You're not supposed to take movies like this seriously. Its just entertainment.

Only in current decade can we have audiences who think this is OK.

[Coola Yagami]

I enjoyed Salvation. But its unfortunate about all the drama that went on behind the scenes during the making of that movie.


I guess some people want good acting in these movies. and things to make sense. Which I think is ridiculous. You're not supposed to take movies like this seriously. Its just entertainment.

Great, so make Arnie bust out a huge bazooka that rips out of his arm that shoots friggen Ha-Do-Kens as he rides a friggin lion, blowing up Terminators that are armed with ninja swords left and right. The Arnie looks at the camera and says 'Hasta La Vista Baby' and presses a button on his shades and the entire city behind him blows up in a nuclear explosion.

Who cares if it makes sense right? It's just entertainment, right?

[Wildcat]

I guess some people want good acting in these movies. and things to make sense. Which I think is ridiculous. You're not supposed to take movies like this seriously. Its just entertainment.No. it’s good for fans and those creating the material to take stuff seriously. Sci-fi and the overall fiction genre are full of cool characters and ideas that deserve to be thought of as more than just dumb fun.

The problem is a lot of fans nitpick and jump on anything that does not fit what they want and will choose to be against it “because of reasons”.

No time travel? Anything but time travel? Or at least make it more creative than old rusty T1 scheme?So the war or anything involving the take over because anything else would need time travel.

Yeah, wanting just a good movie with a solid storyline and quality actro performance, which are not second fiddled to the CGI is definitely unreasonable.

If you want a stupid chewing gum, you just can say so. I will understand.

However, claiming that seemingly reused plot is "original" or that people who want good (not great, just good) story have "unrealistic expectations" makes the whole thing look rather silly.Continually complaining about cgi is just a tired argument. Neither cgi or practical effects, or how much is used over the other, determines how good a movie is.

Anyway you know what I meant and what I’d prefer.

[Andrew NDB]

Nobody cares about the SFX used. We had a 100% CGI T-1000 (at times) in T2 in like 1991... it worked because the story was new and fresh. Terminator protector? This is new. But they've repeated it time and again, and seem set to do so again and even recycle "Pops" (but a different Pops) from literally the last false trilogy starter.

Don't get me wrong. I want to believe the actual finished product will subvert our expectations (and not in a Rian Johnson way) but... the marketing is simply not helping that cause.

[Wildcat]

Well it’s not that the cgi is a legitimate concern...it’s just a popular goto complaint because ya know it’s cgi.

I mentioned this on another board and got criticized but I’ve made it crystal clear I’m not against cgi...

but the T-1000 was basically just a metallic blob. It obviously looked cool and was well done but that’s why it worked so well back then. Technically it did not need to match up with the rest of the world.

If they tried doing Dark Fate or even Genisys and Salvation back in 90/91 the cgi would have been noticeably out of place. Now though the quality has caught up.

Sure there’s times certain shots could use more polish (in any movie) but it still looks good for most part.

[Sumac]

Continually complaining about cgi is just a tired argument. Neither cgi or practical effects, or how much is used over the other, determines how good a movie is.

Anyway you know what I meant and what I’d prefer.
I don't what you mean and I don't know what do you prefer, because, so far it looks like you'd prefer anything thrown your way.

Also, I am complaining about CGI, because, as the time went, from mere tool, which was supposed to support story, it has become a main attraction, supplanting actor performance and good storytelling. Which is the case for most blockbusters.

I don't care about whether effects CGI or not, I care about story being good and CGI being a tool, not the main attraction.

[Wildcat]

I don't what you mean and I don't know what do you prefer, because, so far it looks like you'd prefer anything thrown your way.Sure you do. I’ve clearly stated it. Even before this.

Also, I am complaining about CGI, because, as the time went, from mere tool, which was supposed to support story, it has become a main attraction, supplanting actor performance and good storytelling. Which is the case for most blockbusters.

I don't care about whether effects CGI or not, I care about story being good and CGI being a tool, not the main attraction.Then you’re just assuming it’s that way.

Whether or not it’s terminator. If a story requires scenes/characters that could not be properly made with practical effects then more use of cgi is required.

I guess you could purposely write a movie around practical effects but just for the sake of not using cgi would be a really dumb reason. No need for unnecessary limitations when modern day cgi exists.

[Sumac]

Whether or not it’s terminator. If a story requires scenes/characters that could not be properly made with practical effects then more use of cgi is required.

I guess you could purposely write a movie around practical effects but just for the sake of not using cgi would be a really dumb reason. No need for unnecessary limitations when modern day cgi exists.
Good job, you have missed my point entirely. :D

[DarkFell]

I guess some people want good acting in these movies. and things to make sense. Which I think is ridiculous. You're not supposed to take movies like this seriously. Its just entertainment.

Well.. yeah - I actually like it when movies try to make some sense. Why else would I want to go see a movie?

I mean, if I were to go see It Chapter Two and Pennywise goes from terrorizing the citizens of Derry to fighting The Killer Clowns From Outer Space, then everyone else within the theater would be just as confused.

*It would make for a fun parody perhaps, but when people pay for a horror movie, then they should get one. A movie that attempts to make some form of sense is worth more of it's $$ than a film that is treated like it is some kind of an amusement ride instead.

[Autbot_Benz]

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