Star Wars: The Mandalorian [Archive] - Page 2

AquaParade

12-18-2020, 01:43 PM

sdp

12-18-2020, 02:03 PM

People love the prequels ironically.
What? How so? Prequels have their problems but they're alright, not franchise killing. I personally like tons of things about them non-ironically.

I watched every episode of The Mandalorian and I don't have a Disney+ subscription.

You can watch every episode right now if you really want to, it's one 10 second google search away.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSHyQjXr7v7dSnJB5oITAjrrmzWIYqv3 _BwdA&usqp=CAU

I guarantee by the time the next Star Wars trilogy begins, everyone who grew up on these films are going to praising it the way some people are currently praising the prequels. The cycle never ends.

Perhaps some nostalgia by then, especially if Dave Filoni and Lucasfilm are able to fix the sequel trilogy but not sure about kids who grew up with these films. One of the main reasons Disney was not happy was because lack of merchandise sales, the kids lines didn't perform well unlike the prequels.

ZariusTwo

12-18-2020, 02:19 PM

Lack of stakes, lots of reliance on fan service, and the side characters are acted so poorly, it's like watching a school play at times.

This describes a vast majority of Star Wars, you do realise this?

And calling fans of the show 'babies who need their bottle' just makes you this

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FanHater

Learn to have some fun in your life and maybe not grow out of stuff.

CyberCubed

12-18-2020, 02:20 PM

After watching the show more, I really just think it's bad. Lack of stakes, lots of reliance on fan service, and the side characters are acted so poorly, it's like watching a school play at times.
And honestly, I want to love it. I'm subscribed to the service. I've watched nearly the whole series. I've always been a fan of the Fett's and the Mandalorian armor. I just find that it's a letdown, and can only imagine how much cooler a James Mangold take on Boba Fett could have been.

I don't mean to sound like a prick, but the positive reception has me questioning whether a lot of babies just love their Star Wars bottle or if I'm truly missing something special here.

I mean this show is basically just a live-action version of the cartoons. Star Wars has always had cheesy dialogue and while the side characters are nothing special, they work well enough. The production values are also insanely good for a TV show, a lot of it looks identical to the movies.

Andrew NDB

12-18-2020, 02:42 PM

As long as Kennedy is still in charge, I unfortunately place 0 odds that the sequel trilogy will somehow be retconned or even circumvented. We'll just get a lot of "fill in the timeline blanks"... but as far as Imperial remnants go, they can't do that for much more than 10 years after RotJ before VII completely stops making sense.

Though even with VII-IX... there really isn't anything saying that some other massive war didn't happen with a faction other than the Empire/First Order in the years between VI and VII. Other than the New Republic becoming pacifists... eh.

Roseangelo

12-18-2020, 02:49 PM

Welp, I was completely wrong and I am ok with that.

frank_one

12-18-2020, 04:50 PM

At some point ep 7-9 will be put out of canon. Give them time.

Andrew NDB

12-18-2020, 04:53 PM

At some point ep 7-9 will be put out of canon. Give them time.

Not with Kennedy still around, no way. That'd be like an admission from her that she was all wrong about those... which will never happen. Never ever.

Saw the episode. Solid. Just confused about the after the end credits bit... why was he mad at so and so, and what is he trying to do now?

AquaParade

12-18-2020, 04:53 PM

I mean this show is basically just a live-action version of the cartoons. Star Wars has always had cheesy dialogue and while the side characters are nothing special, they work well enough. The production values are also insanely good for a TV show, a lot of it looks identical to the movies.

You're right, Star Wars has always been this way. I probably just need to get my expectations in check and realize it's not really "my jam". The production values are great, which is probably part of the reason I want to like it so bad.

This describes a vast majority of Star Wars, you do realise this?

And calling fans of the show 'babies who need their bottle' just makes you this

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FanHater

Learn to have some fun in your life and maybe not grow out of stuff.

My underwear is already three sizes too small, but I'll see what else I can do.

Roseangelo

12-18-2020, 05:03 PM

Saw the episode. Solid. Just confused about the after the end credits bit... why was he mad at so and so, and what is he trying to do now?

I don't think it's so much that he had a personal beef with Bib Fortuna, so much as he's been scraping by in the desert for a few years and now he's got his armor back and he just wants to rule the palace.

Panda_Kahn_fan

12-18-2020, 05:45 PM

Not with Kennedy still around, no way. That'd be like an admission from her that she was all wrong about those... which will never happen. Never ever.

Not unless Bob Iger brings down the sledgehammer, and forces Kennedy to allow Faveau and Filoni to split the Mandolorian and it's spin-off shows to split off into their own timeline. According to some reports, Iger is forcing Kennedy to be hands-off with the mandalorian, in exchange for getting her female-centric star wars show, the Acolyte.

CyberCubed

12-18-2020, 06:02 PM

Panda_Kahn_fan

12-18-2020, 06:20 PM

They are never ever going to retcon official movies, c'mon now. This is fanboy tears stuff. :lol:

The official comics also cover events from the movies and the characters involved in them, so they're not going to render all the comics they've been making non canon either.

As for Luke, there is a 20-30 (I forget the exact number) gap between this and when Kylo Ren burns down his Jedi temple, so that's a huge enough gap for Luke to build the school and such to wind up where he was.

I never said retcon, Cubed. I said timeline split. I don't think the sequel trilogy is going anywhere either, but I think we might start to see other star wars timelines, while the Sequel trilogy remains the 'main' one (from Kennedy's POV) in a multiverse.

Riiiight, just like they would never split the single star trek continuity/timeline, that covered all the live-action shows, and ran for so many decades, into two different timelines, oh wait.... :lol:

A movie sequel trilogy that did well at the box office, but the last two movies were a merchandising disaster, vs. a show that brought back the fans, and created the merchandising phenomenon that was Baby Yoda/Grogu. Giving faveru and Filoni creative freedom, creates storytelling possibilities, that can generate revenue.

Sorry Cubed, but the 'artistic integrity' (snicker) of the sequel trilogy, goes straight into the trash can in the face of the almighty $$$. I could be wrong about all of this, but I think it is very, very likely. The pieces- the veil of the force, Ashoka, the search for Ezra- are all in place.

TurtleTitan97

12-18-2020, 08:19 PM

Not unless Bob Iger brings down the sledgehammer, and forces Kennedy to allow Faveau and Filoni to split the Mandolorian and it's spin-off shows to split off into their own timeline. According to some reports, Iger is forcing Kennedy to be hands-off with the mandalorian, in exchange for getting her female-centric star wars show, the Acolyte.

This sounds like a load of barnacles....

Can we just PLEASE take the conspiracy theories somewhere else and go back to talking about the season finale? This is a Mandalorian thread, after all.

Panda_Kahn_fan

12-18-2020, 08:43 PM

This sounds like a load of barnacles....

Can we just PLEASE take the conspiracy theories somewhere else and go back to talking about the season finale? This is a Mandalorian thread, after all.

No problem, is cool. I'm outta here. :)

IMJ

12-18-2020, 09:27 PM

IIIIIII ****IN CALLED IT!!

I can't believe how hard I'm geekin out right now! I'm posting this from my phone in my living room instead of my computer for God's sake! haahahahahha

I f'n CALLED IT!!!!

Leo656

12-18-2020, 09:41 PM

To MOST people who are in any way familiar with Star Wars - the vast, VAST majority of people, not "fans" necessarily but people who've watched the movies at least once - "The Movies Are All That Counts". Sure, there are TONS of people who've read the novels and the comics and watched all the spin-off shows, but they're still the minority among people in general.

To the average person, Star Wars is "9 movies of The Real Story and a bunch of fanfics that may or may not have anything to do with the movies depending on what day it is." Right or wrong, fair or not, ignorant or not, that's how most people engage with the franchise.

As popular and crowd-pleasing as this show is, odds are FAR greater that one day it will be retconned/handwaved or proclaimed to take place "in an alternate timeline". That'll happen way before any of the movies get asterisk'ed.

None of the movies are ever going anywhere, because to most people, the movies are the only thing about Star Wars that "counts". Everything else is "nerd sh*t". Again, I'm not saying that's right or fair, I'm just saying that's the reality of the situation.

For as awful as the Sequel Trilogy movies are, we're stuck with them as part of "the real story". That's never going to change.

Andrew NDB

12-18-2020, 09:57 PM

IMJ

12-18-2020, 10:17 PM

That's true, Leo, though the Mandalorian has transcended geekdom for sure. It's not the same as walking into a room with non-geeks and talking about the "Thrawn trilogy" or "Dark Empire" that nobody else knows about. Everybody knows about the Mandalorian and Baby Yoda now, and it so happens that the show grandfathers in everything from the Clones and Rebels shows.

In retrospect, only 2 gripes with season 2...

Carl Weathers never came back to do anything in the end. Also Ahsoka... eh, I guess that really was just a backdoor pilot? The only thing to come out of that whole Ahsoka episode (that benefits the season itself) was Mando getting the spear, right?

IIIIIIIIIII f'n CALLLED IIIITTTTTTT!!!!!!!

HAHAHAH sorry, I'm still geekin' out. I haven't had a geek out session like this since Iron Man went solo on Thanos in Infinity War, dude.

Um, the other thing to come out of that episode was the significant plot movement that Grogu would go summon "a" Jedi.

NinjaPug

12-21-2020, 09:19 AM

CyberCubed

12-21-2020, 10:41 AM

I wonder why it takes so long for these shows to film. An entire year from now all the hype and momentum from the end of this season will be gone. People forget how quickly your average viewers attention span changes to other shows or they just stop caring.

IMJ

12-21-2020, 11:31 AM

I think Disney was finally sensing that people were dumping their subscription once the season was over.

So now they'll flood the market with similar material so as to have something new on in the rotation at all times, hoping to keep people subscribed. But even then it won't be until 2022 until something is basically always on in the rotation.

Roseangelo

12-21-2020, 12:12 PM

And, you know, the whole COVID thing. I imagine that even for the shows/movies in production, having to go through all the extra precautions adds time to the schedule.

AquaParade

12-21-2020, 04:39 PM

I'm patiently waiting for the MCU shows to begin, but I've always wanted a "Simpsons Channel" and now I have it. I don't even watch much television and I don't care much for modern Simpsons, but it just makes me happy to have Springfield on in the background and I never really tire of the classic seasons.

I finished season 2 of Mando, and yeah, it had some cool moments. I'm hoping the Boba Fett show is a slightly different flavor though. I guess I'm the type of casual SW fan that does want my expectations subverted. Sorry to be a parasite on your franchise. I like Star Wars but I want to see it bend to my will. I love the optimism and fun sense of adventure but I want it to have a hard science-fiction action edge. Like a pinch of Ridley Scott.

Andrew NDB

12-21-2020, 08:00 PM

Lucasfilm clarified this morning that The Book of Boba Fett is a separate series that is current shooting and will release next December. The 3rd season of The Mandalorian is in pre-production and will begin shooting next year and won’t release until 2022.

They said Mandolorian season 3 would hit December of 2021 like just a couple of weeks ago. If Boba Fett season 1 beats it to the punch that's pretty weird... like, they have to pretty much build everything from the ground up with the Boba Fett show and it hasn't even started casting yet. I guess they need extra time to pack Mandalorian season 3 with as many backdoor pilots for their other upcoming 20 shows as they can?

NinjaPug

12-21-2020, 08:14 PM

They said Mandolorian season 3 would hit December of 2021 like just a couple of weeks ago. If Boba Fett season 1 beats it to the punch that's pretty weird... like, they have to pretty much build everything from the ground up with the Boba Fett show and it hasn't even started casting yet. I guess they need extra time to pack Mandalorian season 3 with as many backdoor pilots for their other upcoming 20 shows as they can?

No they didn't. Kennedy mentioned the Mando spinoffs and simply said the next chapter would be streaming Christmas 2021 (websites assumed she was talking about S3). Favreau clarified this morning that the next chapter she was referring to was Boba Fett and that he asked her to keep the show a secret during the investors meeting because he wanted the post credits scene to be a surprise.

They've been filming Boba Fett for about a month now.

Andrew NDB

12-26-2020, 03:56 AM

Good stuff:

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Autbot_Benz

12-28-2020, 07:50 PM

Just finished Season 2 of Mandolorian it was fantastic. This is what Star Wars is not those 3 forgettable Kathleen Kennedy Disney movies. My new headcanon is The Prequels OG Trilogy and Mando that's it

ZariusTwo

12-29-2020, 03:38 AM

Looks like Mando S3 will premiere in the spring or early summer of 2022, production on it won't begin until Book of Bobba Fett is due to air in the fall, roughly around December/Christmas

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2020/12/22/the-mandalorian-season-3-is-delayed-dave-filoni-confirmed-to-be-writing-ahsoka/?sh=2989c1af438e

AquaParade

12-29-2020, 08:33 AM

I hope they are able to surprise us with story this time around. All the "wow" moments this season were 100% fan service. I can think of three characters that debuted on the show, and while it was cool to see them, it simply isn't enough to bring in fan favorite characters and prep them for spin-offs.

Leo656

12-29-2020, 08:47 AM

But what else can they realistically do? Star Wars has an historically very poor track record for creating "new" characters across all media after the end of the Original Trilogy. They've thrown dozens of them out there and only like a half-dozen at best have been favorably received.

I think with where the brand was left after the ruinous Sequel Trilogy, as "lazy" or "uninspired" as it may be it still stands that leaning into "fanservice" is the smartest thing they can do to rebuild brand confidence. They don't need to be taking too many risks; they spent the last five years doing that and completely sh*t the bed.

The new movies convinced fans that Disney "Doesn't understand Star Wars" and "Doesn't know or care what the fans want to see." They tried (and failed) to court the fabled "new audience" instead. Well, it didn't work. So instead, they're devoting all their energy into "apologizing", showing "No, see? We DO know what you guys wanna see!"

If they want to even HAVE a brand, that's the smart thing to do. Star Wars fans don't want "surprises", they want comfort food. If the current approach is working, then they shouldn't mess with it.

AquaParade

12-29-2020, 12:15 PM

Well said. Die-hard fans are happy and shedding tears, so I guess I can't really argue with what they are doing.

CyberCubed

12-29-2020, 12:29 PM

I mean Star Wars main story is done. There's really nothing left to do. So you basically get side stories of the main characters dealing with smugglers, random Storm Troopers, some bounty hunters, etc. Basically the side stuff Star Wars always had.

Xav

12-30-2020, 12:17 AM

The main Star Wars story has been done before. They can always make another trilogy where the Insurrection must fight the Second Order after it destroys the Newer Republic.

Leo656

12-30-2020, 02:53 AM

That's still just rehashing the same basic "Rebellion vs. Empire" stuff, though. Like the group names change but it's still the same exact basic story.

That's kind of the problem with the brand as a whole; as far as the mainstream stuff goes, it's just One Story they re-tell repeatedly with some of the parts moved around.

I think that's why so many people fell in love with the EU stuff in the novels and comics, the fact that you did get other types of stories even if not all of them were terrific.

MsMarvelDuckie

12-30-2020, 07:25 AM

Indeed. The stuff with the force witches, Bakura, Luke's Jedi Academy, and the "new" clones (including several Jedi!) was always interesting to me. I mean, would it have KILLED them to give us the Heir trilogy, the Bounty Hunters, and bring in Mara Jade, Thrawn (properly, I mean) and stuff like the tales from Jabba's palace? How about Lowbacca, Kip Duron, or the one tie pilot who crashed on Yavin and spent most of the Rebellion and end of the empire (and about ten or so years after) living in the jungle until he was found by the Solo twins?

Andrew NDB

12-30-2020, 09:50 AM

I mean, would it have KILLED them to give us the Heir trilogy

I'd LOVE to see Thrawn on the big screen. That said, just adapting the actual Thrawn trilogy? One movie per book? There's really not enough there. It's basically one extended story of some cat and mouse with a super smart grand admiral. It would work for a super fat movie, or a mini or something... not a trilogy, unless really reconceptualized.

The "Rebels vs. Empire" stuff should always have been left to the OT. It wasn't there in the PT and it shouldn't have been there in the ST. The ST could have been... maybe "the rot" of the Old Republic still prevailed and what the Rebel Alliance accomplished didn't really do what they wanted it to. Or just some new major threat. I mean, it's not hard to think of one. If your mind goes, "Well if it's not Stormtroopers and TIE Fighters, then what can it possibly be??!" then you shouldn't be working on any of these movies.

It can be a sect of Sith sleeper agents. It can be dissent from within the New Republic. It can be a new alien threat. It can be ANYTHING but the damn Empire again by a new name or not.

IMJ

12-30-2020, 11:42 AM

What it boils down to for everyone who is disgusted by what was done to Star Wars by Disney is that you shouldn't spend a dime on that property until Kathleen Kennedy is gone. Don't reward a single modicum of her work or agenda if possible.

Autbot_Benz

12-31-2020, 06:51 PM

https://i.imgur.com/p3s1t5F.jpg

MsMarvelDuckie

01-01-2021, 07:28 AM

I'd LOVE to see Thrawn on the big screen. That said, just adapting the actual Thrawn trilogy? One movie per book? There's really not enough there. It's basically one extended story of some cat and mouse with a super smart grand admiral. It would work for a super fat movie, or a mini or something... not a trilogy, unless really reconceptualized.

The "Rebels vs. Empire" stuff should always have been left to the OT. It wasn't there in the PT and it shouldn't have been there in the ST. The ST could have been... maybe "the rot" of the Old Republic still prevailed and what the Rebel Alliance accomplished didn't really do what they wanted it to. Or just some new major threat. I mean, it's not hard to think of one. If your mind goes, "Well if it's not Stormtroopers and TIE Fighters, then what can it possibly be??!" then you shouldn't be working on any of these movies.

It can be a sect of Sith sleeper agents. It can be dissent from within the New Republic. It can be a new alien threat. It can be ANYTHING but the damn Empire again by a new name or not.

There WAS a book (or more? I don't recall how deep they went into it) about some massive alien threat from beyond the outer rim, that was some kind of bug-like race out to conquer the galaxy, and the New Republic had to team with the remaining Imperialists to defeat them. Might have been Truce at Bakura? But it would make for a really cool movie, and expansion of the universe.

As for Heir, there was enough in the subplots to easily cover a trilogy. Mara Jade's background and plot alone would cover some significant runtime. Ditto with the stuff on C'Boath and the clone pods.

Sumac

01-01-2021, 10:22 AM

frank_one

01-01-2021, 10:45 AM

Andrew NDB

01-01-2021, 04:08 PM

There WAS a book (or more? I don't recall how deep they went into it) about some massive alien threat from beyond the outer rim, that was some kind of bug-like race out to conquer the galaxy, and the New Republic had to team with the remaining Imperialists to defeat them. Might have been Truce at Bakura? But it would make for a really cool movie, and expansion of the universe.

Two separate alien invasions, yes. Something in that vein may have worked.

As for Heir, there was enough in the subplots to easily cover a trilogy. Mara Jade's background and plot alone would cover some significant runtime. Ditto with the stuff on C'Boath and the clone pods.

It isn't about filling runtime. There is more than enough actual runtime in the Heir trilogy to fill a trilogy of movies. That isn't the problem. The problem is that it while it is well written and super memorable... there really isn't anything super new or groundbreaking on a saga level there. Sure we meet Mara and people like Karrde and Thrawn... but in the end, it really just is how a smart Imperial shows up, causes trouble (with *yawn* lots of TIE Fighters, Stormtroopers, and another Star Destroyer), and gets defeated. That's really all that happens and I don't think that's enough for a traditional SW trilogy. A TV mini? Sure.

MsMarvelDuckie

01-03-2021, 03:26 PM

Two separate alien invasions, yes. Something in that vein may have worked.

It isn't about filling runtime. There is more than enough actual runtime in the Heir trilogy to fill a trilogy of movies. That isn't the problem. The problem is that it while it is well written and super memorable... there really isn't anything super new or groundbreaking on a saga level there. Sure we meet Mara and people like Karrde and Thrawn... but in the end, it really just is how a smart Imperial shows up, causes trouble (with *yawn* lots of TIE Fighters, Stormtroopers, and another Star Destroyer), and gets defeated. That's really all that happens and I don't think that's enough for a traditional SW trilogy. A TV mini? Sure.

Aren't you forgetting that some of the major threads of the books were the re-emergence of the Katana fleet, the Jedi who had basically installed her Force spirit into the ships, and Luke's clone? Not to mention the intro of the ylasamari(sp?) anti-force lizards, the concept of the Emperor's Hand (Mara), and the Maw installation and its attendant new technology? I mean, there was SOO much going on that ended up being game-changers that one could EASILY have made an entire series. But three movies would have been enough, with a LotR style trilogy. And we got the first canon reference (afaik) to the Jedi holocrons. Among other things. (Also wasn't the first reference to Xar Kun's force ghost in the temple on Yavin in those? I forget.)

Xav

01-03-2021, 07:17 PM

If Baby Yoda went to train with Luke does that mean he is going to get killed by Klyo Ren?

IMJ

01-03-2021, 07:18 PM

If Baby Yoda went to train with Luke does that mean he is going to get killed by Klyo Ren?

Yup. Unless he escapes or is somewhere else when that event occurs. The Kylo Ren thing doesn't happen for like another 15 years or so, no? I mean, by the story logic he should've been killed by Anakin during the temple slaughter of episode 3.

Andrew NDB

01-03-2021, 07:49 PM

Aren't you forgetting that some of the major threads of the books were the re-emergence of the Katana fleet, the Jedi who had basically installed her Force spirit into the ships, and Luke's clone? Not to mention the intro of the ylasamari(sp?) anti-force lizards, the concept of the Emperor's Hand (Mara), and the Maw installation and its attendant new technology?

No, not enough for a new SW trilogy. It just isn't. I mean, again, it IS... but it's just not anything new. Katana Fleet of Star Destroyers? We just got the Emperor's secret fleet of Star Destroyers in TRoS. Luke's clone? Who cares about that? And the Noghri are hardly groundbreaking. Wasn't the Maw Installation the Jedi Academy trilogy?

That said... it's all perfectly doable as a repurposed trilogy. i.e....

Movie #1: 10 years after RotJ. Boil down the Thrawn trilogy into mostly one movie. But stretch the Mara Jade character subplot into at least the next movie. Basically ysalamiri-bearing Thrawn shows up with the Katana Fleet and the fledgling New Republic defeats him, signing peace accords with the Imperial remnants. Luke can begin to start his Jedi Academy, or set out to do so.

Movie #2: 15 years after RotJ. A repurposed Jedi Academy Trilogy in one movie. Luke has married Mara and his Jedi Academy is in full swing. Throw young, angsty Kylo in there to satisfy the ST, but keep most of the characters from the novels. Instead of Admiral Daala and a superweapon (it was the Death Star prototype in those books) it is the first waves of an alien invasion by the Yuuzhan Vong (I say Yuuzhan Vong, but it can be a newly invented race). They hit hard, really testing the New Republic fleet and Luke's barely trained Jedis.

Movie #3: 20+ years after RotJ. Basically a hodgepodge of the final books in the Yuuzhan Vong war, but different. Brutal stuff. Luke and his now war-hardened Jedi Knights take the fight to the enemy, while the New Republic has to strike an uneasy alliance with the Imperial remnants to avert the fate of the galaxy. Maybe at some point the Imperial remnants capture some Yuuzhan Vong tech about how to build a FTL superweapon (which would later become the Starkiller Base).

And at this point they could easily seed in Grogu and the Mandolorian into things. Why not?

IMJ

01-03-2021, 08:04 PM

I never got around to reading the Timothy Zahn stuff, but I do have Shadows of the Empire... that was pretty good as far as book-canon goes. I thought the Truce At Bakura was... alright. I've had an omnibus copy of The Black Fleet here for years but I've never read that one either.

MsMarvelDuckie

01-04-2021, 07:44 AM

I get where you're coming from, but that would be a VERY condensed version of what was an entire trilogy of books on its own, which seems pretty thin as a single movie. It would cut so much out for runtime it just wouldn't do the story justice. Maybe two movies, but one? Even the Hobbit had enough material for three movies, and that was a dingle book, that wasn't as long collectively as the Zahn trilogy was!

I think if we wanted to fluff it out, they could possibly seed in a few bits from some of the other books of that timeframe, just for worldbuilding, if nothing else. Maybe a bit of extra background on some of the characters, like Talon Kaard, among others. A flash bavk or two on Mara's early life and training, some of the history of how Thrawn got where he was, that sort of thing. Maybe even a LA version of his involvement in the earlier wars.

Andrew NDB

01-04-2021, 03:34 PM

A Gina Carano interview from a few days ago:

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I'd skip over the bits with the largely annoying host (you're get Gina Carano to talk to on your show but spend the first 5 minutes explaining the dumb origin of your own dumb nickname?), but there is some interesting stories from her here.

Autbot_Benz

01-05-2021, 04:44 PM

Mark Hamill
@HamillHimself
·
Dec 31, 2020
I'm a fan myself, so I knew true fans would love it, but to see them thrilled beyond belief with the exuberance of children, whooping it up, screaming in ecstasy, the tears of sheer joy...it's a rollercoaster of emotions I'll never forget. #I_LOVE_UPFs 2/2

Mark Hamill really triggered some star wars fans (mainly sequel fans) when he said TRUE FANS would love the return of Luke in Mando. Reading the replys its only Disney Sequel fans whining about how do you say who true fans are or aren't

Leo656

01-05-2021, 04:48 PM

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

01-05-2021, 05:35 PM

People often say "There's no way an opinion can be wrong," but that's nonsense. Some people are of the "opinion" that Hitler was Right, and some people think "The Last Jedi" was a good movie. In either case, that "opinion" is clearly garbage and they should cram it up their stinkhole.

Your words soothe my troubled soul like a holy balm.

Preach, oh brother. Speak truth to power.

...

Or, really, speak truth to fellow nerds huddled around our tiny virtual campfire.

IMJ

01-05-2021, 08:37 PM

People who like the Sequel Trilogy have no business even talking about Star Wars to begin with. Their opinions are terrible and they like terrible things.

People often say "There's no way an opinion can be wrong," but that's nonsense. Some people are of the "opinion" that Hitler was Right, and some people think "The Last Jedi" was a good movie. In either case, that "opinion" is clearly garbage and they should cram it up their stinkhole.

Did you ever notice that people who say opinions can't be wrong are always that sort of underdeveloped @$$ hole or manipulator who "can't be wrong?"

It's like... dude your opinion is wrong because the whole premisice of how you formulated your opinion was either wrong, based on poor information or your mental algebra was way off (basically too dumb to understand the information the right way).

People who say opinions can't be wrong tend to be problem people in real life. And of course they'll say that opinions can't be wrong - like I said, they don't understand the initial information about what opinions are. They think it's just some freedom to think anything you want and call it opinion.

Leo656

01-05-2021, 09:04 PM

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

01-05-2021, 09:10 PM

Yep.

Pineapple does not belong on pizza, anyone who likes black licorice eats truck tires, The Grateful Dead are f*cking terrible, and "Batman Returns" is a Christmas movie.

There's people out there who will argue with each and every one of those points. And sure, they're entitled to their Opinion but it doesn't change the Fact that their "opinion" is F*CKING WRONG.

You shut the **** up.

A pizza with pepperoni, bacon (NOT Canadian, true bacon), jalapeno, pineapple, red onion, and fresh garlic and cilantro is the truest, purest form of pizza there is.

IMJ

01-05-2021, 09:15 PM

You shut the **** up.

A pizza with pepperoni, bacon (NOT Canadian, true bacon), jalapeno, pineapple, red onion, and fresh garlic and cilantro is the truest, purest form of pizza there is.

I wouldn't have ever ordered this pizza. But all I ate today was split pea soup and I'm hungry.

If that pizza was here. I would eat it. I got you man. And that pizza.

Leo656

01-05-2021, 09:25 PM

A woman's vag during a Red Tide is more appetizing and less disgusting than pineapple on pizza. Goddamn heathens. WHO raised you this way???

IMJ

01-05-2021, 09:47 PM

A woman's vag during a Red Tide is more appetizing and less disgusting than pineapple on pizza. Goddamn heathens. WHO raised you this way???

My first job was a pizza place when I was a kid. I used to think the same thing, but then someone at the store made it and I thought it was great. I don't order it. But when it's there, I'm in.

Leo656

01-05-2021, 10:16 PM

I guess we'll agree to disagree but I am not bending on the Black Licorice thing. Not now, not EVER.

IMJ

01-05-2021, 10:27 PM

I guess we'll agree to disagree but I am not bending on the Black Licorice thing. Not now, not EVER.

I am with you on the Black Licorice thing. :lol:

Leo656

01-05-2021, 10:38 PM

I've never met ANYONE who ate that stuff who wasn't also a complete f*cking asshole. Coincidence? I THINK NOT! :lol:

IMJ

01-05-2021, 11:13 PM

I've never met ANYONE who ate that stuff who wasn't also a complete f*cking asshole. Coincidence? I THINK NOT! :lol:

HAHAHAHAHAHA! :lol:

Dude I honestly laughed out loud here in the office when I read this.

Now that is projecting, my friend. HAHAHAHA Like a logic statement: "If you eat black licorice, then you are, indeed, an @$$hole"!

HAHAHA OMG....

Leo656

01-06-2021, 12:27 AM

I call only call what I see, homie! :lol:

Black Licorice Fans? Contrarian Twatwaffles.

Grateful Dead Fans? Smell bad. Small animals nest in their hair and they may or may not notice or care about that.

"The Last Jedi" Fans? Contrarian Millennial Twats who think Wumyn Protagonist in and of itself justifies plot holes, Franchise Rape and wall-to-wall bad writing. "Leia Poppins was AWESOME because you weren't expecting THAT were ya! OMFG this movie's so SMART!" :lol::roll:

Like I said... I can ONLY call what I SEE. :trazz:

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

01-06-2021, 09:52 AM

A woman's vag during a Red Tide is more appetizing and less disgusting than pineapple on pizza. Goddamn heathens. WHO raised you this way???

Wow. Just... wow.

If a little blood worries you, I'm assuming you eat your steaks charred to ruination? And you call us heathens.

I wouldn't have ever ordered this pizza. But all I ate today was split pea soup and I'm hungry.

If that pizza was here. I would eat it. I got you man. And that pizza.

Trust me, man, the sweetness of the pineapple goes amazingly well with the spice of the jalapeno and onion. And the cilantro gives everything a distinct flair. Gotta use fresh cilantro, though.

And you can skip the bacon; I often do.

I guess we'll agree to disagree but I am not bending on the Black Licorice thing. Not now, not EVER.

On that, we all agree. Yuck.

Leo656

01-06-2021, 09:57 AM

Eating steak and eating pussy aren't even the same sport, Jack.

With one, you WANT there to be blood dripping everywhere. The other... not so much.

There are other distinctions. Such as, I can eat steak without someone paying me $50 first. :tgrin:

Andrew NDB

01-06-2021, 10:27 AM

With one, you WANT there to be blood dripping everywhere. The other... not so much.

I dunno... there's some weirdos out there.

Leo656

01-06-2021, 10:29 AM

https://media.tenor.com/images/5ae06f3e05978f67a1a63f90937b5630/tenor.gif

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

01-06-2021, 10:30 AM

https://media.tenor.com/images/5ae06f3e05978f67a1a63f90937b5630/tenor.gif

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-B-6-4LP0gb0/VRvB4fiXmlI/AAAAAAAASss/vTJ-ScPJT2Y/s1600/oh-thats-terrifying.gif

Leo656

01-06-2021, 10:36 AM

YOU'RE the guy who said it was No Big Deal! :lol:

Also, I like her. I might make an exception for her. I'unno who she is, but she pwetty.

Andrew NDB

01-08-2021, 04:31 AM

More push to fire Carano because of... uh, what happened in DC?

https://insidethemagic.net/2021/01/gina-carano-capitol-riots-rwb1/

Sumac

01-08-2021, 05:40 AM

They idiocy knows no bounds and its just getting too much.

As peaceful as I usually am, I really want sometimes for someone to punch every single woke idiot square in the face, when they open their retarded mouths to spout another pile of toxicity and hatred.

snake

02-05-2021, 01:54 PM

Little late but I loved Season 2. Deepfake Luke is jarring but it was still cool as hell. Darktroopers being big, badass, threatening droids was tight, and seeing Fett come back with a dad-bod was great. I can’t understate how much I love this show, and how excited I am for its future. Sucks that season 3 won’t premiere until next year at the earliest when I’m ready for it tonight, but I’ll make do. Feels good to have Star Wars stuff that I’m watching out of passion and intrigue instead of some fake obligation.

CyberCubed

02-05-2021, 02:38 PM

I assume Season 3 will be the last, especially if Baby Yoda isn't in any of the episodes. Also with Boba Fett and Ahsoka getting their own shows, there's not much incentive to keep this one going still. For the most part his story appears to be drawing to a close anyway now that he's not in protection of the child anymore, they'll probably just make some Mandalorian story arc where he reunited with his people and end it there.

TurtleTitan97

02-10-2021, 08:37 PM

Gina Carano has been fired: https://io9.gizmodo.com/gina-carano-is-no-longer-a-part-of-star-wars-1846244896?rev=1613010609026

Autbot_Benz

02-10-2021, 08:41 PM

Gina Carano has been fired: https://io9.gizmodo.com/gina-carano-is-no-longer-a-part-of-star-wars-1846244896?rev=1613010609026

after her instagram post comparing being republican to jewish holocaust victims was definitely the last straw for disney.

CyberCubed

02-10-2021, 08:52 PM

Good, into the trash. Even besides real life stuff, in the show she was a boring character and a horrible actress. She won't be missed.

IMJ

02-10-2021, 08:55 PM

after her instagram post comparing being republican to jewish holocaust victims was definitely the last straw for disney.

There's something ironic about that considering some similar stuff that was coming out of Dem's mouths on every platform on Earth the last several years.

Andrew NDB

02-10-2021, 09:07 PM

There's something ironic about that considering some similar stuff that was coming out of Dem's mouths on every platform on Earth the last several years.

Very true. Also: isn't she proving her point?

Leo656

02-10-2021, 09:13 PM

Kevin Sorbo, Tim Allen, Dean Cain, Others: "You are simply not allowed to have a Conservative viewpoint and work in Hollywood. If you are a Conservative, you are not allowed to work. It is a rule."

Liberals: "What utter nonsense. You specific people don't get work because you're not relevant, NOT because you're Conservatives. There IS no anti-Conservative bias in Hollywood, you're simply old and washed-up. Stop crying. Your 15 minutes were up long ago."

Also Liberals: "Let's get that young, popular, relevant actress fired from the hottest show on streaming, because she says things we don't like."

And they don't even f*cking notice. That's the crazy thing. They don't even notice their own disingenuous bullsh*t.

Of course there's an anti-Conservative bias in Hollywood. She should lawyer up and sue for discrimination. I would. Jobs aren't supposed to fire you for your religious, political, etc. beliefs. Sure, most employers get around that with the whole "At-Will Employment" nonsense where you accept upfront that you can be fired for no reason whatsoever, BUT if it can be proven that you lost a job specifically for your political affiliation then you can still come out ahead in court. She's got an airtight case. She literally got fired from her job for no reason other than being a Conservative, and her Twitter is proof. Seriously, she should sue. She'd at least get a settlement, there's no way she'd lose. It's open and shut.

I wonder what flavor of Hypocrisy most liberals prefer. My favorite is Cherry.

Andrew NDB

02-10-2021, 09:18 PM

They probably had her sign some crazy SJW fineprint that insulates them from this.

Leo656

02-10-2021, 09:33 PM

That ain't legal. You can't be fired for being a woman, or being gay, and it also ain't legal to be fired for being a Republican.

She'll get a settlement. F*ck it, she's an "out" Republican, she's never gonna work again anyway. Might as well sue. She'll get something. Nothing left to lose, at any rate.

snake

02-10-2021, 09:40 PM

Didn’t really like her anyway. Not a major loss. Her acting somehow got worse with every appearance and she doesn’t seem like the brightest if she has a multi-million dollar job and isn’t wise enough to keep her mouth shut on Twitter. You’re an actress, not a politician. I don’t want to hear your political BS, and I don’t care who’s side you’re on.

TurtleTitan97

02-10-2021, 09:48 PM

That ain't legal. You can't be fired for being a woman, or being gay, and it also ain't legal to be fired for being a Republican.

Pretty sure she was fired just for being a Grade-A dumbass on social media, not because her political affiliations.

Carano did this to herself. If she had used her brain, she would have stopped poking the bull months ago instead of doubling down on social media.

Leo656

02-10-2021, 10:07 PM

Look, I agree that celebrities shouldn't be on Twitter. Nothing good ever comes from that.

But she wasn't fired for "being a dumbass on Twitter", her Twitter itself is ironclad proof that she was fired strictly for being a Conservative, for espousing Conservative viewpoints on her off-time on her own personal forum. Which is illegal. You can't do that. Even in "at-will employment" situations, there are things that are illegal to use as justification to fire someone, such as race, gender, sexual orientation, or political affiliation.

I don't have a horse in the race; I don't watch the show and I don't really even know who she is. But she's got a case if she wants to try and squeeze Disney for a wrongful termination suit. She'll absolutely get a settlement just to make her go away, because if it actually gets in front of a judge she might actually win. Therefore, Disney would rather just pay her a much smaller amount just to make her get lost.

Teachers get fired for this kinda thing all the time, too. Most of them file suit, and they usually get a settlement, and it goes away.

That's what she should do. Why not? If a teacher who got fired for going to a Trump rally can get a bunch of money from the school board, surely this one can get a few million in severance from Disney if she shakes their cage a bit. If she doesn't, then she's an idiot.

Autbot_Benz

02-10-2021, 10:21 PM

Gina needs a new agent

The Hollywood Reporter
@THR
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Gina Carano has been dropped as a client by UTA, an agency spokesperson confirms.

Vegita-San

02-11-2021, 04:52 AM

Filoni and john need to quit. pure and simple. LET the SJW's have star wars. Let it burn to the ground. recover from the ashes when disney finally relents.

ZariusTwo

02-11-2021, 05:47 AM

Andrew NDB

02-11-2021, 05:50 AM

Her tweets put a stop to that

Well... did they? They prevented them from doing so, how, exactly?

raph27

02-11-2021, 08:06 AM

Disney were all set to announce her as the star of another Mando spin-off at the Investors Day event back in December. Her tweets put a stop to that, so they've been sitting on this decision for a while and she was already being denied further opportunities.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/amp/news/the-mandalorian-star-gina-carano-fired-amid-social-media-controversy?__twitter_impression=true

So I'm guessing that "Rangers of the New Republic" was supposed to be specifically about her before the change. Now with her gone completely, I wonder what they'll even do with that show.

Andrew NDB

02-11-2021, 08:23 AM

So I'm guessing that "Rangers of the New Republic" was supposed to be specifically about her before the change. Now with her gone completely, I wonder what they'll even do with that show.

Assuming the rumors about Disney/Lucasfilm trying to make her apologize publicly for her way earlier tweets are true if she hoped to star in that... I almost wonder if they made up "Rangers of the New Republic" from the ether just to try and give her a carrot to do the apology and eat crow.

As in... now that she didn't, and doubled down... maybe "Rangers of the New Republic" quietly disappears.

TurtleTitan97

02-11-2021, 10:27 AM

Filoni and john need to quit. pure and simple. LET the SJW's have star wars. Let it burn to the ground. recover from the ashes when disney finally relents.

Ever consider maybe it's people like you who need to leave?

Saves more Star Wars for the rest of us.

snake

02-11-2021, 11:30 AM

Ever consider maybe it's people like you who need to leave?

Saves more Star Wars for the rest of us.

I'm not even a huge fan of current Star Wars outside of the Mandalorian, but you're never gonna get through to a guy like that. He's quite literally too far gone. He'll stick around though, because they always do. They never have the strength to fully drop something they're not enjoying.

CyberCubed

02-11-2021, 01:56 PM

Vegita-san is a 45+ year old man who thinks SJW's control every form of entertainment.

Gina needed to go. She is awful both as a real person and as an actress. All her scenes in the show put me to sleep.

snake

02-11-2021, 02:29 PM

One thing I did like about her was her physique. She looked like she could beat the shlt out of anyone who could step to her. Definitely refreshing compared to the twig bodies woman action stars usually have.

AquaParade

02-11-2021, 03:21 PM

A few thoughts:

1. My take away was that her comment was meant to make a "slippery slope" argument, rather than compare the experience of right-wingers to the experience of Jewish folk.

2. She did nothing new or one-sided by comparing her idea of oppressors to Nazi. Pedro Pascal has essentially done the same thing, by comparing Trump supporters to Nazi.

3. I thought her comment missed the mark, because political ideology is different than race/religion prejudice. But she is entitled to her opinion.

Autbot_Benz

02-11-2021, 04:45 PM

Lot of people want Cara Dune to come back but as a different actress. People have suggested Lucy Lawless Michelle Rodriguez and others

Vegita-San

02-11-2021, 05:45 PM

UZsTBdTwVWo

Autbot_Benz

02-11-2021, 06:24 PM

UZsTBdTwVWo

Seriously Doomcock :lol: of course you would post a video from one of those youtubers. Long Story short Fake news

snake

02-11-2021, 07:32 PM

Doomcock is the Qanon of slobbering pop culture enthusiasts. There’s a lot of similarities when you look at them, especially in regards to both having a religiously loyal fanbase who believe unfounded rumors despite being proven wrong time and time again. Trust the plan, right? lmaooooo

Sumac

02-11-2021, 09:26 PM

McCarthy either laughs or spins in his grave with the ultrasonic speed.

But seriously, if any idiot will say that "it is not a with hunt" and demRATS are "about empathy and democracy", they can eat **** here and now.

Vegita-san is a 45+ year old man who thinks SJW's control every form of entertainment.

Gina needed to go. She is awful both as a real person and as an actress. All her scenes in the show put me to sleep.
No-one buys you act, 'cubed.
Go back to salivating about Lesbians. It is much better image, than spit spitting SJW scum trash.

Also, complaining about someone's age, when you yourself constantly cry how old you are is just lol.

Ever consider maybe it's people like you who need to leave?

Saves more Star Wars for the rest of us.
You mean SJW Wars? Which no-one likes or buys, like TLJ? OK. Well, you want to see SW to die that is...

Leo656

02-11-2021, 09:30 PM

Mmmmm... Lesbians.....

Xav

02-12-2021, 02:43 AM

So how exactly was she "denigrating people based on their cultural and religious identities"?

frank_one

02-12-2021, 10:11 AM

Lot of people want Cara Dune to come back but as a different actress. People have suggested Lucy Lawless Michelle Rodriguez and othersIt would be great, I love them both.

Andrew NDB

02-12-2021, 10:26 AM

Lucy Lawless is like twice her age. Rodriguez looks nothing like her. Both are tiny.

ABrown

02-12-2021, 11:02 AM

Wow. I liked Gina Carano even before all this. But now after everything that I've read #IStandWithGinaCarano.

Sumac

02-12-2021, 11:05 AM

So how exactly was she "denigrating people based on their cultural and religious identities"?
Apparently comparing people based on their ideology (Republicans) with people based on their racial make up (Jews) is BAD!

While in normal circumstances I too would found this comparison questionable, given what had happened with her pretty much confirms that she is right. Of course, leftards incapable of figuring this out, but when totalitarian handmaidens were smart?

Never mind, that Pedro Pascal did seemingly the same, just about DemRATS.

TurtleTitan97

02-12-2021, 12:06 PM

You mean SJW Wars? Which no-one likes or buys, like TLJ? OK. Well, you want to see SW to die that is...

Oh please. Opinions on the sequel trilogy aside, you people act like we haven't gotten any legit good Star Wars content since Disney bought Lucasfilm. I for one am enjoying new content like Mandalorian, the High Republic, etc.

Andrew NDB

02-12-2021, 12:09 PM

the High Republic, etc.

AKA, Kathleen Kennedy's magnum opus for leftist Star Wars.

TurtleTitan97

02-12-2021, 12:19 PM

AKA, Kathleen Kennedy's magnum opus for leftist Star Wars.

No offense Andrew, but if you had actually read the books that have been released so far instead of listening to clickbait YouTubers you'd see that statement is completely false.

Because 20 chapters into Light of the Jedi, I've seen no sign of any hidden agenda.

Autbot_Benz

02-12-2021, 12:56 PM

welp Gina commented finally and who boy :eek:

"I cried out and my prayer was answered. I am sending out a direct message of hope to everyone living in fear of cancellation by the totalitarian mob. I have only just begun using my voice which is now freer than ever before, and I hope it inspires others to do the same. They can’t cancel us if we don’t let them."

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/tv/star_wars/the_mandalorian/the-mandalorian-star-gina-carano-comments-on-firing-announces-new-moviewith-ben-shapiro-a182437#gs.tcj67p

TurtleTitan97

02-12-2021, 01:00 PM

welp Gina commented finally and who boy :eek:

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/tv/star_wars/the_mandalorian/the-mandalorian-star-gina-carano-comments-on-firing-announces-new-moviewith-ben-shapiro-a182437#gs.tcj67p

She really does have the brains of bantha, huh?

Vegita-San

02-12-2021, 01:01 PM

AKA, Kathleen Kennedy's magnum opus for leftist Star Wars.

So, when is 'The Low Republic' coming out?

Or 'Yoda in the Middle' Republic?

see how stupid that name is, let alone the idea?

Autbot_Benz

02-12-2021, 01:01 PM

She really does have the brains of bantha, huh?

yes she does what a nutter Cara Dune more like Qanon Dune

ZariusTwo

02-12-2021, 01:30 PM

Ben Shapiro ladies and gentlemen.

0-w-pdqwiBw

ZariusTwo

02-12-2021, 03:29 PM

Now Ted Cruz has gotten involved.

"she made Star Wars fun again"

https://ew.com/tv/ted-cruz-defends-gina-carano-offensive-tweets/

Autbot_Benz

02-12-2021, 03:40 PM

Now Ted Cruz has gotten involved.

"she made Star Wars fun again"

https://ew.com/tv/ted-cruz-defends-gina-carano-offensive-tweets/

good grief who cares what that ratface bastard has to say

sdp

02-12-2021, 03:50 PM

I think we're missing the elephant in the room in this conversation pun intended and that is how carano seems to have eaten her former self. It's likely Disney just wanted to save themselves some money by replacing her with the 1997 CG jabba the hutt model they already rendered.
https://mymmanews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/gina-carano.jpg
https://imperialtalker.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/jabba-in-special-edition.jpg

We're better off really.

NinjaPug

02-12-2021, 04:03 PM

Now Ted Cruz has gotten involved.

"she made Star Wars fun again"

https://ew.com/tv/ted-cruz-defends-gina-carano-offensive-tweets/

Of course he's going to get involved. It's part of the playbook to deflect and rile up the base. Both sides do that all the time.

This whole thing is ridiculous. She didn't get removed from Star Wars because she's Republican. It's because she's an asshole who couldn't stop showing her true colors on Twitter. I'll never understand why any public figure has social media. No good will ever come from it.

Chris Pratt is a known Republican. Disney didn't fire him. He also hasn't been tweeting crazy conspiracy theories about voter fraud, anti-trans, racist, anti-mask and anti-semetic things for months. I've been a fan of hers from her MMA / American Gladiator days and have followed her on Twitter for a long time. I stopped following her recently because I just got tired of seeing that nonsense all the time.

I bet if Letitia Wright had continued posting anti-trans and anti-vax stuff she would've been removed from Black Panther and I doubt she's a Republican. Her PR people talked some sense into her after only 2 or 3 tweets. Gina's should've done the same.

TurtleTitan97

02-12-2021, 04:15 PM

Of course he's going to get involved. It's part of the playbook to deflect and rile up the base. Both sides do that all the time.

This whole thing is ridiculous. She didn't get removed from Star Wars because she's Republican. It's because she's an asshole who couldn't stop showing her true colors on Twitter. I'll never understand why any public figure has social media. No good will ever come from it.

Chris Pratt is a known Republican. Disney didn't fire him. He also hasn't been tweeting crazy conspiracy theories about voter fraud, anti-trans, racist, anti-mask and anti-semetic things for months. I've been a fan of hers from her MMA / American Gladiator days and have followed her on Twitter for a long time. I stopped following her recently because I just got tired of seeing that nonsense all the time.

I bet if Letitia Wright had continued posting anti-trans and anti-vax stuff she would've been removed from Black Panther and I doubt she's a Republican. Her PR people talked some sense into her after only 2 or 3 tweets. Gina's should've done the same.

^ This. Well said, NinjaPug

Sumac

02-12-2021, 05:39 PM

She really does have the brains of bantha, huh?
Standing for what you think is right is bad? OK, mate.

I suspect that people who afraid that others stand for something, are just scared shitless that it will become obvious that they do not stand for anything, but just sedentary life of an amoeba drifting in a pile of diarrhea, so to speak. :lol:

Whether, Gina will succeed or not, I respect her decision.

This whole thing is ridiculous. She didn't get removed from Star Wars because she's Republican. It's because she's an asshole who couldn't stop showing her true colors on Twitter. I'll never understand why any public figure has social media. No good will ever come from it.
What exactly she've said that made her an asshole?
Because, if she said something egregious, I am sure, most just and amazing American court would have no problem to rip her to shreds?
Otherwise, what?

Oh please. Opinions on the sequel trilogy aside, you people act like we haven't gotten any legit good Star Wars content since Disney bought Lucasfilm.
I was talking specifically about the movies. I am an old school in this respect and don't consider anything, but the movies as "big" projects.

Autbot_Benz

02-12-2021, 06:26 PM

Looks like hasbro is no longer producing figures of Cara Dune

https://comicbook.com/starwars/news/hasbro-reportedly-cancelling-cara-dune-figure-orders/

"We have been informed by Hasbro that they have cancelled production of the Star Wars: The Black Series 6" Cara Dune (The Mandalorian) and will not be fulfilling our order. Unfortunately, this means we must cancel our pre-orders for this item. We apologize for the inconvenience and greatly appreciate your understanding."

TurtleTitan97

02-12-2021, 06:27 PM

Standing for what you think is right is bad? OK, mate.

This isn't about "standing up for what's right". Any right thinking employee should realize you can't just say whatever the hell you want on social media and not expect fallback. Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences.

Carano deliberately kept stirring up controversy towards herself and Lucasfilm since November and as a result got herself fired from one of the most currently popular streaming shows. And instead of owning up to that, she's doubling down and blaming others. Like I said, brains of a bantha.

Take some like Letitia Wright for instance, at least she had the brains to delete her social media instead of doubling down on her posts.

sdp

02-12-2021, 07:01 PM

LOL Carano's time was in the late 00's early 10's., she got lucky to get a role counting she failed as MMA fighter and isn't a great actress and is no longer cute/in shape like she was back then. All she had to do was behave in social media, she can tweet "small government/less taxes" but no you have to go full retard lol people might complain but not much of value was lost and we likely got saved from a bad star wars spin-off which Star Wars can't handle anymore, the brand is already damaged goods.

https://didntyoubringanybeer.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/cyborgcarano.jpg

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/937/528/b2f.jpg
No reason why Ted Cruz should be in a star wars thread lmao he doesn't even understand the story of star wars

CyberCubed

02-12-2021, 08:48 PM

She was a terrible actress anyway. She basically had a one-note personality in every scene she was in. I was glad she didn't even appear for most of Season 2 but a few eps.

Xav

02-12-2021, 10:15 PM

He also hasn't been tweeting crazy conspiracy theories about voter fraud, anti-trans, racist, anti-mask and anti-semetic things for months.OK so what crazy conspiracy did she tweet about voter fraud? What did she tweet that was anti-trans, racist, anti-mask and anti-"semetic".

Sumac

02-13-2021, 04:39 AM

OK so what crazy conspiracy did she tweet about voter fraud? What did she tweet that was anti-trans, racist, anti-mask and anti-"semetic".
About "anti-trans" she apparently didn't want to fight in the ring against failed-male who pretended to be a woman and wanted to fight in women division. I think, she said something that she was afraid for her health, because, said failed-male was stronger than her or any regular (even athletic woman) for that matter.

Naturally "good and understanding" transcult didn't like it, because, in their broken minds, if men says he is a woman, he has right to participate in the same sports as women, even though it can cause traumas to women.
But, of course, validating sick fetish of failed males is more important for transcult, than women health...as if anyone can be surprised by it.

This isn't about "standing up for what's right". Any right thinking employee should realize you can't just say whatever the hell you want on social media and not expect fallback. Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences.
Talking about freedom from consequences, Left actors can spout all kind of ****, even supporting domestic terrorism, and nothing happens, but as soon as you open your mouth and be Republican - nope, you should just shut up.
If it is how it should work in your opinion, well, I'd recommend to buy a ticket to the North Korea or China. Sure, you'll like it there.

LOL Carano's time was in the late 00's early 10's., she got lucky to get a role counting she failed as MMA fighter and isn't a great actress and is no longer cute/in shape like she was back then. All she had to do was behave in social media, she can tweet "small government/less taxes" but no you have to go full retard lol people might complain but not much of value was lost and we likely got saved from a bad star wars spin-off which Star Wars can't handle anymore, the brand is already damaged goods.
Sounds like you've been paid for this post.

Vegita-San

02-13-2021, 11:17 AM

It's likely Disney just wanted to save themselves some money by replacing her with the 1997 CG jabba the hutt model they already rendered.
https://mymmanews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/gina-carano.jpg
https://imperialtalker.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/jabba-in-special-edition.jpg
.

boop you dude. wow. I wish I could be perfect like you in every way..

ZariusTwo

02-13-2021, 03:50 PM

Hasbro now discontinuing Cara Dune toys

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/gina-carano-cara-dune-mandalorian-184106288.html

Sumac

02-13-2021, 04:17 PM

So petty and pathetic.

Mayhem

02-15-2021, 02:40 AM

From what I've read, she hasn't been fired. Technically. Disney just chose not to renew her contract due to said tweets. She was already on thin ice following the anti trans, Covid anti mask, and election fraud posts, this was just the final nail for Disney to let her walk and not renew her.

It's funny how a lot of the people who complained about her introduction to the series are probably the same people now defending her. Fickle fans, but that's politics for you.

Do I agree that if you are employed by a high profile company you should be mindful of your public image? Yes. Do I agree that she's posted some fairly controversial stuff? Yes. Do I think that media campaigns by any political or lifestyle side to remove people because of things that have happened are dumb? Hell yes. That's up to the employer to decide and no one else, but I'm sure they will be persuaded if X amount of people say they'll quit watching if person Y is still employed. Bottom line first, never morality.

And yes Pedro did get "slapped" by Disney for some of the tweets he made comparing Trump supporters to Nazis (although if you are going to carry swastika flags on marches, it's an easy push) and he toned back on it. Despite repeated warnings by Disney, Gina carried on, and here we are. I'm sure if you did the same while working for your own company they'd take a very dim view of it, and your ass would be fired. As we also saw scores of people being let go after being identified from right wing hate marches over the past 18 months.

Lucy Lawless is like twice her age. Rodriguez looks nothing like her. Both are tiny.
I presume you mean build wise because Lawless is two inches taller than her.

Andrew NDB

02-15-2021, 04:54 AM

And yes Pedro did get "slapped" by Disney for some of the tweets he made comparing Trump supporters to Nazis (although if you are going to carry swastika flags on marches, it's an easy push) and he toned back on it. Despite repeated warnings by Disney, Gina carried on, and here we are. I'm sure if you did the same while working for your own company they'd take a very dim view of it, and your ass would be fired. As we also saw scores of people being let go after being identified from right wing hate marches over the past 18 months.

I guess this would all seem a lot more convincing if there was even one example of anyone on the left getting fired from their high profile acting gig -- or let's even say pretty much any gig, high up in the entertainment business -- for equating half of the country to nazis over and over again. I mean, is there any? if there is and I'm oblivious, I'm more than happy to be proven wrong. If not, I really fail to see how this is not just an example of the cancel culture gnawing at the right... but "just one more."

#1, as far as I can tell, no "slap" actually happened to Pedro about his deleted tweets about nazis. Like, maybe his agent said, "Whoa, Pedro... you probably shouldn't openly say you think half of your fans are nazis," but we don't know. Or maybe it just dawned on him that hating his fans is a bad idea in general. Point is, every time Gina posted something, there'd be a dozen articles citing, "Gina warned! Disney fired her, but Favreau saved her, etc.." I never read a single one in kind about Pedro. Just crap about him threatening to quit if he didn't get his face shown more (which I don't actually believe is true, but that's just me).

#2, Gina wasn't posting over and over again equating the left (specifically its cancel culture) to nazis, specifically. Just the one time. Pedro, at least twice that I can recollect (once, in regard to the "kids in cages" that... Obama actually built, a second time in a more general level).

#3, nothing Gina posted was even that bad. The funny thing about "my gender pronouns are beep boop bop" or whatever, then the reposted meme about "I need a blindfold to go with my mask, so I can not see what's going on" or whatever it was. Neither can hardly be considered hard, finger-wagging political judgments of groups of people. Then the latest one, the "Ah-HAH! Gotcha!!!!" which apparently everyone at Disney was waiting for.

Also, once you start getting into things like, "B-b-but some guys somewhere who claimed to support Trump carried swastikas... so it's perfectly OK to relegate half the country as such!" (first of all, how stupid is that?) we can easy do a tit for tat and say, "Antifa blew out some windows and cold-clocked innocent bystanders while burning an American flag... surely this means we can look at the other half of the country this way, right?" The trouble, again, is that only one side of the country seems to be actually coming out of these wild, impractical comparisons with anything in the way of bruises. Over and over again.

I presume you mean build wise because Lawless is two inches taller than her.

Yeah. You can fit like two of Lawless' arms into one of Gina's, even if this was 25 years ago at the heyday of Xena (and we're far from that... she looked great on Ash vs. Evil Dead a couple of years ago now, but that's just "great for her age").

IMJ

02-15-2021, 07:48 AM

The real issue is once again society twists words according to an agenda. The left word vomits "Nazi's" and "Fascists" all day long, but someone they perceive who is opposed to them does it only by illustrated example and they say that her words are appalling.

Disingenuous, socially manipulative, lying, bottom feeders of the Earth.

sdp

02-15-2021, 10:59 AM

https://i.imgur.com/Mv542jx.jpg

IMJ

02-15-2021, 11:51 AM

https://i.imgur.com/Mv542jx.jpg

Your meme here is the cornerstone of why Carano is having issues however. It doesn't reflect the content of this discussion but rather reflects the mechanism of action that Carano is facing and therefore mention of it is completely appropriate here.

I hope that was your intent with that meme. Because if it was supposed to be reflective of our discussion here then you just glitched in your matrix life and became an NPC by posting that image.

Don't live such a simple-minded existence that we rely on simple shut-down techniques - especially when they are potentially misapplied.

Sumac

02-15-2021, 05:45 PM

Also, once you start getting into things like, "B-b-but some guys somewhere who claimed to support Trump carried swastikas... so it's perfectly OK to relegate half the country as such!" (first of all, how stupid is that?) we can easy do a tit for tat and say, "Antifa blew out some windows and cold-clocked innocent bystanders while burning an American flag... surely this means we can look at the other half of the country this way, right?" The trouble, again, is that only one side of the country seems to be actually coming out of these wild, impractical comparisons with anything in the way of bruises. Over and over again.
You can't imagine, how scary this rhetoric is, for someone who lives in a totalitarian country, which relies on this exact type of propaganda. Its pretty much a go-to way for a total control over population, to point at it some imaginary enemy, while elites will do whatever they want.

And a lot of people on the Left in the West and in US do buy it. They seriously believe that half of the country vote Republicans, just to hurt Blacks and POCs (because, apparently they are so evil and nasty that they gonna sacrifice their own lives and families just to hurt someone, like WTF?) and would gladly start a new genocide (what stopped them before, when Republicans were in power?). This is the same type of leftards who believed that Trump will create death squads to hunt down blacks and gays (still waiting for them, btw).

In general, leftards do indeed think that sizeable portion of population in any Western country are either outright Nazis or "Nazis in waiting", which is not much better than Qanon ********.

Leo656

02-15-2021, 06:43 PM

Every single Republican I've ever spoken with in Real Life simply wants secure borders and lower taxes. That's It. That's what the average "conservative" cares about more than absolutely anything else in the world. They have no real opinion on any of the other stuff, just Those Two Things. Some of them are older, so sure, MAYBE they have some "old-fashioned" views on certain social issues - I wouldn't know, it hasn't come up in conversation - but the ones I know, that's not what pushes them to vote. Secure borders, lower taxes. That's it. And you'd be shocked how many of them are Black or gay (or both). Or Hispanic, or Puerto Rican. Or whatever.

Like sure, you get some imbeciles on the internet and at rallies. But they're outliers. The average person who cares, doesn't care THAT much to either 1. Rant Online or 2. Actually get off their ass to go to a rally and stand around. So what you're getting in either case are the dreaded "extremists", who are nuts by default. But they are absolutely not representative of "the average typical conservative".

Whereas MOST of the Liberals I speak to in Real Life absolutely do think that if you vote Republican, you belong in jail, your kids should be taken away, you should lose your job and never be allowed to work again, and so on. They also say dumb things like "I'd be perfectly fine letting the government take 90% of my income in taxes so long as my kid had free college and rent," and "We should just let anyone who wants to be in this country walk right in." Sure, they're not speaking for everyone, and I have no illusion of that, BUT, on the Left side there's very little barrier between the "extremist" and the average person who walks around actually espousing such nonsense.

It's weird.

mrmaczaps

02-15-2021, 07:37 PM

Jester

02-15-2021, 07:43 PM

Back to Mando, please.

Xav

02-16-2021, 01:03 AM

There's more to the article/interview. Lucasfilm didn't even tell Gina they fired her.“Earlier on last year before The Mandalorian came out, they wanted me to use their exact wording for an apology over pronoun usage. I declined and offered a statement in my own words. I made clear I wanted nothing to do with mocking the transgender community, and was just drawing attention to the abuse of the mob in forcing people to put pronouns in their bio,” she told me.

Lucasfilm’s response was to exclude her from all press and promotion for the show, according to Carano. “That was heart-breaking, but I didn't want to take away from the hard work of everyone who worked on the project, so I said ok. That was the last time I was contacted about any type of public statement or apology from Lucasfilm. I found out through social media, like everyone else, that I had been fired.”
https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/gina-carano-and-crowd-sourced-mccarthyism

Coola Yagami

02-16-2021, 01:51 PM

There's more to the article/interview. Lucasfilm didn't even tell Gina they fired her.
https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/gina-carano-and-crowd-sourced-mccarthyism

I have to agree. I respect pronouns and have nothing against people who use pronouns above the usual he/she, but they have to stop when it comes to now forcing cisgendered people to put up THEIR pronouns, and flipping out if they choose to disagree.

That's what bugs me about SJWs, live in your own little world fighting for your causes or whatever if you want to, but don't force and demand the rest of do it too. This was like when the George Floyd thing happened and for whatever reason, everybody decided to pick on Lady Gaga cause she hasn't been vocal on the subject. Like they legit demanded she tell the fans if she was for or against BLM. Even when she finally came out and said 'killing black people is bad, m'kay?' they still got on her case because 'she took too long to respond'. Like I'm not the biggest Gaga fan, but like... back the **** off, who cares what she thinks, leave her the hell alone.

I'm glad I'm not a celebrity. I don't want people coming at me because I either have the wrong opinion or no opinion on whatever hot button issue is big at the moment, or get people to come at me cause there's some new gender or sexuality discovered and I just wanna be straight.

Autbot_Benz

02-16-2021, 05:44 PM

Cara Dune will most likely be recast

https://collider.com/the-mandalorian-cara-dune-controversy-recast-gina-carano-fired/

it sure looks like Cara Dune will return to the Star Wars universe played by a different actor.

Vegita-San

02-16-2021, 05:52 PM

Back to Mando, please.

while I agree, This is a tough one. Politics IS Intricately tied to this crap.
It's all because of politics this is happening at all.

and it's all because of the civil war going on inside lucas film. lucas faction vers kennedy faction.

but yeah... this will be a tough one to separate the two.

TurtleTitan97

02-16-2021, 06:05 PM

and it's all because of the civil war going on inside lucas film. lucas faction vers kennedy faction.

There is is no "civil war" going on at Lucasfilm. Those reports are straight up fake garbage.

neatoman

02-16-2021, 06:07 PM

So... Midi-Chlorians changes your face or something?

Andrew NDB

02-16-2021, 07:56 PM

There is is no "civil war" going on at Lucasfilm. Those reports are straight up fake garbage.

I think there is, of a sort. A "Cold" civil war, largely unspoken.

TigerClaw

02-16-2021, 08:34 PM

There is is no "civil war" going on at Lucasfilm. Those reports are straight up fake garbage.
Indeed. There are a lot of Youtube videos posting about that stuff and making it sound like its true. Its complete garbage and mostly from fans who hate Disney Star Wars.

Coola Yagami

02-16-2021, 09:59 PM

while I agree, This is a tough one. Politics IS Intricately tied to this crap.
It's all because of politics this is happening at all.

and it's all because of the civil war going on inside lucas film. lucas faction vers kennedy faction.

but yeah... this will be a tough one to separate the two.

I hate how politics creeps into everything nowadays, literally everything. Like the next TMNT cartoon will probably have one of the actors cancelled mid-season cause they said whatever something-stupid on Twitter.

Oh wait.... that already happened.

AquaParade

02-16-2021, 10:36 PM

CyberCubed

02-16-2021, 10:55 PM

I hate how politics creeps into everything nowadays, literally everything. Like the next TMNT cartoon will probably have one of the actors cancelled mid-season cause they said whatever something-stupid on Twitter.

Oh wait.... that already happened.

Lol, Jason Biggs was an idiot.

Leo656

02-16-2021, 11:34 PM

Yeah I'm kind of against "canceling" people as a general rule, but I am 100% in favor of people "canceling" Jason Biggs. :lol: I'm just sorry it wasn't 20 years sooner.

While politics creeping into everything is tiresome, I find the topic hard to avoid. I also find it a mix of hilarious and just plain weird that we keep trying to censor political discussion here. We all know it’s going to creep into the discussion again. And again in other threads. It’s like shooing flies from one room to the other over and over.

To be fair, I'm almost certain that at this juncture Mods are just doing their jobs, and that it's because "certain people" report these threads and posts. I don't wanna point fingers, but we've seen several people post out loud some variant of "Can we keep politics OFF the board?" more than once, and so in turn I'd be willing to bet that whenever the conversation goes in that direction those same people Report it.

You'll notice that in some threads those types of conversations go on longer than others without any scolding or intervention. I don't *know* this, but I suspect that we only get scolded when someone forces the issue. "They're doing it again; go yell at these people!" If a thread or post gets Reported then the Staff's hands are kinda tied at that point.

Indeed. There are a lot of Youtube videos posting about that stuff and making it sound like its true. Its complete garbage and mostly from fans who hate Disney Star Wars.

Bless your heart, you sweet, Summer child. You really believe these things you say.

Also:

mostly from people who actually have taste and aren't complete f*cking morons.

Went ahead and fixed that for ya. No charge, it's my gift to you. :trazz:

Mayhem

02-17-2021, 03:15 AM

Don't think for a minute I'm not wary of this so-called "cancel culture" but it isn't just a left-wing/liberal thing, there's plenty of it going on from the right hand side of the spectrum too. Alexander Vindman if you want to go straight to Trump. Ellen. Dixie Chicks. Hell, even Kapernick if you want. It isn't bravery, it's bullying. And it comes from everywhere not just the left.

#2, Gina wasn't posting over and over again equating the left (specifically its cancel culture) to nazis, specifically. Just the one time. Pedro, at least twice that I can recollect (once, in regard to the "kids in cages" that... Obama actually built, a second time in a more general level).
Actually the cages were introduced by Dubya, carried on by Obama, and then increased by Trump. So they're all cuipable there in my eyes.

ZariusTwo

02-17-2021, 04:48 AM

Cara Dune will most likely be recast

https://collider.com/the-mandalorian-cara-dune-controversy-recast-gina-carano-fired/

That's apparently not going to happen

Insiders say Cara Dune wasn’t part of the Star Wars series next up, a Boba Fett spinoff, but expect that the character will be recast down the road, for both story and merchandising reasons. A source at Lucasfilm says that a recasting is not expected, however.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/behind-disneys-firing-of-mandalorian-star-gina-carano

IMJ

02-17-2021, 12:02 PM

While politics creeping into everything is tiresome, I find the topic hard to avoid. I also find it a mix of hilarious and just plain weird that we keep trying to censor political discussion here. We all know it’s going to creep into the discussion again. And again in other threads. It’s like shooing flies from one room to the other over and over.

Again, there's always a person who can't perceive the reality of a situation. And so that person will roll their eyes at what they perceive to be political. They perceive conversation like that to be a character flaw or something. A sign of a problem. But that person perceiving that is.... you know... dumb. They are dumb when the root of the entire conversation is "political" to begin with. The very nature of what has happened to Carano is political.

So to have a conversation about it, but tip toe around anyone's bias that screams "oh heerrreee we go again, you made it political" just shows that person as the mouth-breather who is missing the reality of the situation. It's not agenda to point out what's happening. Instead it's actually the point of the whole event.

So you've used the analogy of moving flies around from room to room.... but hello? The very nature of the topic commands political discussion along with, as I try to bring here a lot, discussion about people's perception and lifelong critical thinking errors (e.g., reacting to a political post as if that post is the problem when in fact the whole conversation is about this is a problematic critical thinking error).

AquaParade

02-17-2021, 02:28 PM

Flies weren't a good analogy, but my point was that the political discussion isn't going anywhere. At least with Star Wars anytime soon.

Leo656

02-17-2021, 02:53 PM

plastroncafe Memorial "All Things Are By Definition Political" Comment Here.

:tgrin:

Andrew NDB

02-21-2021, 07:05 PM

Gina speaks up for the first time, on Daily Wire:

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Spends an hour and goes over all of it, really. The Disney bullying, everything.

Utrommaniac

02-21-2021, 11:41 PM

So, I've been doing a big Star Wars catch up to get a better grip of what happened on Mandalore. Specifically with Clone Wars and Rebels and now up to the movies.

Bo-Katan has a whole lotta nerve wanting to claim her stake in ruling Mandalore after everything she did, and as dumb as his name is, I think her nephew Korkie should have way more right to rule than she does.

Looking way more forward to Ahsoka's show too, especially now that I have a bit more of an idea of what it's probably going to be about.

All of these shows are about to become one big Pepe Silva board on things connecting.

Andrew NDB

02-22-2021, 12:33 AM

So, I've been doing a big Star Wars catch up to get a better grip of what happened on Mandalore. Specifically with Clone Wars and Rebels and now up to the movies.

I plan to do that soon myself. Particularly since my daughter has expressed an interest in some kind of mass-marathon of all things Star Wars... surprisingly (when she was littler she liked 1-3 well enough, found 4-6 very boring, and fell asleep in 7 and swore she never wanted to watch any of them ever again).

I honestly think it is because of Baby Yoda. I think my daughter feels like she doesn't "get the joke" unless she is up on her Star Wars.

Utrommaniac

02-22-2021, 01:43 AM

My favorite "Baby Yoda" thing has been someone calling Yoda "Old Grogu".

Clone Wars was a TRIP, especially the Mandalore plots. Even if there were...choices. Choices that tied into the Maul subplot. That sure was something.

Absolutely no way Korkie is Duchess Satine's "nephew" though. He looks too much like Obi Wan for that. I just...keep waiting for Korkie to be a nickname and it never came...

Rebels was a weird one, and I mostly watched it for Ahsoka showing up once in a while. Pretty sure I know why she was looking for Admiral Tarkin in Mandolorian.

But yeah, I couldn't finish Rogue One in a single sitting because it was a downer from beginning to end (though that's the point) and yeah, after all the combat of modern SW, ANH is a bit of struggle too.

Watch as an old man who's been a hermit in a desert and a quadruple amputee in a mobile respirator that's deliberately uncomfortable try to fight each other for the first time in 20~ years

Andrew NDB

02-24-2021, 06:06 PM

Ted Cruz praises Carano while subtly making a jab at Rey. Daisy Ridley fires back:

"Daisy Ridley claps back at Ted Cruz's Rey diss: 'I am very happy to be an emotionally tortured Jedi who doesn't leave their state'" https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/entertainment/daisy-ridley-ted-cruz-star-wars-emotionally-tortured-jedi-texas-power-crisis-181958625.html

Leo656

02-24-2021, 06:58 PM

It's too bad that Daisy Ridley wasted her one nude scene on playing a cadaver in a movie nobody saw. She's gonna need that trump card in a few years when nobody wants to hire her.

But by then it's gonna be like when Lohan did Playboy 10 years too late; "Yeah, she's naked but who even still gives a sh*t?"

Andrew NDB

03-05-2021, 03:24 AM

And now... Daisy says she knew she did right by finally "talking American politics" (as in, poo-pooing Ted Cruz) because apparently JJ Abrams and Josh Gad told her that was badass?

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/daisy-ridley-ted-cruz-jimmy-kimmel_n_6040f9c6c5b601179ec319b4

Sumac

03-05-2021, 03:54 AM

Well, at least she looks pretty for now...

ZariusTwo

05-21-2021, 09:08 AM

Rangers of the New Republic is pretty much dead

https://www.cbr.com/star-wars-rangers-of-the-new-republic-not-development/

Autbot_Benz

05-21-2021, 10:52 AM

Dave Filoni got a promotion last summer he is now to executive creative director for Lucasfilm

https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/star-wars-the-mandalorian-dave-filoni-lucasfilm-creative-director-1234978130/

NinjaPug

06-09-2021, 07:32 PM

Looks like we won't be getting Season 3 until late 2022 now although according to this report:

"The Book of Boba Fett will be a more closely-linked spinoff as well and sources have told us to think of the series as "The Mandalorian Season 2.5," with characters from The Mandalorian slated to appear in the series that currently co-stars Ming-Na Wen as Fennec Shand."

https://collider.com/the-mandalorian-season-3-the-book-of-boba-fett-production-filming/

CyberCubed

06-09-2021, 08:48 PM

Why even bother with another Mandalorian season? Just have the guy and Baby Yoda appear in either the Boba Fett or Ahsoka series.

MikeandRaph87

07-28-2021, 05:56 PM

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/lucasfilms-ilm-hires-youtuber-improved-235733869.html

Autbot_Benz

03-18-2022, 06:30 PM

Christopher Lloyd will guest star in Season 3

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/mandalorian-season-3-casts-christopher-lloyd-1235112715/

Autbot_Benz

05-26-2022, 02:08 PM

https://i.imgur.com/YBR69s7.png

Autbot_Benz

09-10-2022, 01:21 PM

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Autbot_Benz

01-16-2023, 09:02 PM

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CyberCubed

01-17-2023, 04:25 PM

Is this the final season? I find it hard to see much story potential passed a season 3.

Andrew NDB

01-17-2023, 04:32 PM

Is this the final season? I find it hard to see much story potential passed a season 3.

Not the final season. They're going to keep milking this as long as possible.

There may start to be a bigger story unfolding between this and Ahsoka. Grand Admiral Thrawn, Moff Gideon, whatever the Empire's intentions for Baby Yoda... these things are all connected.

Autbot_Benz

03-01-2023, 12:58 PM

Good first episode. Babu Frik's ( The little creature from Rise of Skywalker) race of droid fixers are in the first episode.

They make a quick nod to Cara Dune writing her off. Greef Karga says she was hired by special forces when Mando brings up making her Sheriff.

Andrew NDB

03-01-2023, 11:32 PM

Decent first episode. Nothing really special, though. And I don't remember Babu Frik's in Rise of Skywalker but I don't remember much about that movie anymore.

Autbot_Benz

03-01-2023, 11:45 PM

Decent first episode. Nothing really special, though. And I don't remember Babu Frik's in Rise of Skywalker but I don't remember much about that movie anymore.

most people forgot that ****** movie. Babu was the one who made 3po go into red eye mode when his programming was overuled

CyberCubed

03-02-2023, 06:36 AM

Apparently this show is planned to go on at least another 3 seasons. I don't know, it seems like the initial appeal for the show has already worn off. They can have these characters appear in the other Star Wars shows but I don't know how much longer they can keep Mando and baby Yoda by themselves.

Andrew NDB

03-02-2023, 11:37 AM

IMJ

03-02-2023, 06:43 PM

I think the GENERAL premise has gotten a little tired. Like, it's been years now. Is Grogu going to talk, or evolve, or what are we doing there? Just hanging out with Mando doing cute stuff -- that I'm real tired of. And I'm not sure a season-long mission to undo one "mistake" in 30 seconds of a last season episode may be the best route to go.

Problem is that it hasn't even remotely been that long for the characters. The decision to do BOBF really threw things off to an extent. It also doesn't help that modern T.V. is really nothing more than mini-series.

When I was a kid a T.V. show had 30 or more episodes and a mini-series like Stephen King's The Stand were 8 episode mini-series special events. Now a regular T.V. show barely exists, so there is now time to flesh out a story. It's more like whatever they could've gotten into a movie broken down into 8 parts.

Andrew NDB

03-30-2023, 05:47 PM

All caught up. I'm not so sure about this season, honestly.

CyberCubed

03-30-2023, 10:20 PM

I really don't understand why the writers are so obsessed with Mandalorion culture. It also doesn't really make sense as a whole. They dialed back on baby Yoda being the main focus of the show, due to it not being new and fresh anymore.

Andrew NDB

04-06-2023, 10:30 PM

Latest episode was a bit garbage. But it was nice seeing Christopher Lloyd. Jack Black was oh-kay but Lizzo can't act.

Andrew NDB

04-12-2023, 10:46 PM

Episode 7 was cool! Captain Pellaeon from the books and big stuff. How good that things are finally moving... one episode before the end of the season.

IMJ

04-13-2023, 10:08 AM

but Lizzo can't act.

It was awful - it was as bad as Busta Rhymes doing kung-fu in Halloween and overacting like this was his long-awaited hero moment on film, yet not intended as parody.

Andrew NDB

04-19-2023, 02:54 AM

It was awful - it was as bad as Busta Rhymes doing kung-fu in Halloween and overacting like this was his long-awaited hero moment on film, yet not intended as parody.

You won't like this. But that was my favorite scene in all of the original Halloween movies. I was laughing out loud hysterically as opposed to being bored with it all (it probably has a lot to do with when I finally saw them and after what I'd seen before them). But I didn't particularly like the Halloween movies until H20.

Mandalorian finale... bombastic and great action scenes! However... we only moved an inch forward, if that. And there isn't anything new given to look forward to. No surprises. Tune into season 4 for "secrets of Mandalore" I guess. But nothing is teased that wasn't already teased.

IMJ

04-19-2023, 10:05 AM

You won't like this. But that was my favorite scene in all of the original Halloween movies. I was laughing out loud hysterically as opposed to being bored with it all

No, no I understand that completely actually....

Mandalorian finale... bombastic and great action scenes! However... we only moved an inch forward, if that. And there isn't anything new given to look forward to. No surprises. Tune into season 4 for "secrets of Mandalore" I guess. But nothing is teased that wasn't already teased.

I'll have to watch it today if I can. Really curious as to if it's truly becoming the "Bo-Katan Show". :roll:

Autbot_Benz

08-21-2023, 10:22 AM

Seasons 1 and 2 of Mando hit Blu Ray and 4k UHD Steelbooks December 12th

https://i.imgur.com/XWnob8Q.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/d4X5Udg.jpg

TheCanadiandrome

08-21-2023, 09:34 PM

Can’t wait for this to come back

Andrew NDB

08-21-2023, 10:48 PM

I was a little underwhelmed this season. Things were just getting interesting and it was over.

TheCanadiandrome

08-22-2023, 01:38 PM

I was a little underwhelmed this season. Things were just getting interesting and it was over.

Ikr? It’s like wtf ending it now?! So unsatisfactory :roll: :x

ZariusTwo

01-09-2024, 11:23 AM

Mandalorian movie goes into production this year. Favreau directing

https://www.starwars.com/news/the-mandalorian-and-grogu

Autbot_Benz

01-09-2024, 11:25 AM

Mandalorian movie goes into production this year. Favreau directing

https://www.starwars.com/news/the-mandalorian-and-grogu

Glad we will be hopefully getting a good movie Favreau is a good director

Andrew NDB

01-09-2024, 11:36 AM

Mandalorian movie goes into production this year. Favreau directing

https://www.starwars.com/news/the-mandalorian-and-grogu

Damn, it's really happening. But is this "The Big Filoni-verse Star Wars Movie" we've been hearing about where Thrawn and Ahsoka and everything comes together in Avengers fashion or... basically just a scrunched up Mandalorian season 4?

ZariusTwo

01-09-2024, 11:37 AM

Glad we will be hopefully getting a good movie Favreau is a good director

That title gives off swell "Slimer and the Real Ghostbusters" energy

CyberCubed

01-09-2024, 11:40 AM

So the rumors that Season 4 was canceled and turned into a movie instead is true? I doubt they're working on a new season and movie at the same time. And since they have Ahsoka Season 2 and Skeleton Crew I don't think he can do 3 series at once either.

Mando looks like it's over.

Sumac

01-09-2024, 11:44 AM

Its Mandover!

I wonder, was it a reaction on something or it was always the plan?

sdp

01-09-2024, 11:45 AM

They basically said the tv shows were diluting the brand so yeah I'm guessing this will be a "season 4" in a way, with it also being a jump start for new audiences and I would guess they'd want to milk this so they aren't going have it have a sequel hook so that there can be a trilogy and perhaps the "big crossover movie" after that. I think depending on the success of the Mandalorian movie whether we get other movies on that universe before the crossover but I think for the most part they're done with all star wars tv shows for the time being unless something is already far into production.

Andrew NDB

01-09-2024, 11:45 AM

I mostly want to see Boba Fett season 2. They can't leave things like that. It better at the very least pay off in the Mandalorian movie.

NinjaPug

01-09-2024, 12:34 PM

My initial thought is Disney wants a SW movie in theaters asap and this is a safer bet over the Rey movie. Also they can recoup some of the ~$200 million in production costs by releasing it in theaters as opposed to simply dropping a 4th season on D+.

I wonder if these characters will still appear in Filoni’s movie which seems to be shaping up as a Thrawn / Heir equivalent movie as opposed to the Mandoverse capper they announced it as originally.

Andrew NDB

01-09-2024, 02:32 PM

Hm... I'd suspect one of the big things is they want to get is Baby Yoda on the big screen, to keep that excitement going when Not-So-Baby Yoda shows up in the Rey movie they'll have a hell of a time trying to market.

Drose18

01-09-2024, 05:24 PM

Could this be the rumored Mando, Luke, Ahsoka film?

It would be the most post-Endgame Disney move to have Moff Gideon be the villain for the 4th time.

Andrew NDB

01-09-2024, 05:26 PM

Could this be the rumored Mando, Luke, Ahsoka film?

I doubt it. That'd be more of a Star Wars: (insert title) affair and not a Mandalorian movie. Which isn't to say the Mandalorian won't BE in that movie, too.

Also calling it before everyone gets pissed, Moff Gideon will be the villain

I guess so. They sure teased Moff Gideon's batch of Force sensitive clones in the last season, so I doubt that'd be last we hear about that.

Drose18

01-09-2024, 05:28 PM

I brought up Gideon as a joke but I think you’re absolutely right that movie would be (rightfully) titled Star Wars and not The Mandalorian.

They should definitely have Thrawn as the villain for that if It ever gets made.

IMJ

01-09-2024, 05:38 PM

Could this be the rumored Mando, Luke, Ahsoka film?

It would be the most post-Endgame Disney move to have Moff Gideon be the villain for the 4th time.

I'd be alright with that. Although to be honest Gideon is definitely more of a.... T.V. Level bad guy for sure.

CyberCubed

01-09-2024, 06:54 PM

The problem with this is it will feel like a made for TV movie put in theaters. Meaning aside from some higher production values, it'll feel exactly like a season of the show just condensed into 2 hours or so.

member_removed

01-09-2024, 08:56 PM

Is this movie that was already announced.

The Mando, Fett, Ashoka and Skeleton Crew Team up movie The Filoni/Favreau universe team up movie.

Or is this in addition to that?

TigerClaw

01-09-2024, 09:00 PM

Is this movie that was already announced.

The Mando, Fett, Ashoka and Skeleton Crew Team up movie The Filoni/Favreau universe team up movie.

Or is this in addition to that?
Seems like a different movie as its titled "The Mandalorian and Grogu"

Andrew NDB

01-09-2024, 09:27 PM

I'd be alright with that. Although to be honest Gideon is definitely more of a.... T.V. Level bad guy for sure.

It would be a mistake if he doesn't at least share some scenes with Thrawn before it's all over.

Cowabung-Gal

01-16-2024, 11:37 AM

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Gina, just come down to Little Rock already. I guarantee you that you’ll be way more popular than even Pedro Pascal at that Comic Con.

Besides, I have a miniature Cara Dune figure for you to sign :D

Andrew NDB

01-18-2024, 08:54 PM

Sumac

01-19-2024, 02:18 AM

I don't want to sound like an old fart, but modern generation is either groomed to be or is a bunch of manchildren.

Like, how presence of someone who disagrees with you makes you feel "unsafe"?
Their very presence can kill you? Are they trying to physically attack you or something? I don't ****ing get it. Its not like you even obligated to be in the same room or close by to this person.

Bunch of fragile retards.

Mayhem

01-19-2024, 03:18 AM

I can accept that the modern generation are in touch with their feelings a lot more than we were at their age, able to express themselves, relate, be more empathic, and concerned for others and the wider picture but... yeah... feeling threatened with someone with an opposing view is present, even if they are expressing themselves in a calm rational way (as opposed to ranty)? That's how opinion and social bubbles are created, in all realms of circles.

Sumac

01-19-2024, 10:13 AM

I can accept that the modern generation are in touch with their feelings a lot more than we were at their age, able to express themselves, relate, be more empathic, and concerned for others and the wider picture but...
You can be empathic without being hysterical.
You can be in touch with your feelings, without acting like a spoiled baby, when something doesn't go your way.
You can express yourself, without acting like a moron.

yeah... feeling threatened with someone with an opposing view is present, even if they are expressing themselves in a calm rational way (as opposed to ranty)? That's how opinion and social bubbles are created, in all realms of circles.
Is there a hope for you?

ranger_scout

12-09-2024, 05:49 PM

Jeremy Allen White will play Jabba the Hut's son in the 2026 film, The Mandalorian & Grogu.

https://variety.com/2024/film/news/star-wars-jeremy-allen-white-the-mandalorian-and-grogu-1236243927/

ranger_scout

08-07-2025, 07:16 PM

Gina Carano, who was fired from the show for saying that being a Republican is like being a Jew in the Holocaust, and Disney have reached a settlement. The company says they look forward to working with her to find opportunities again..

https://variety.com/2025/biz/news/gina-carano-disney-settle-mandalorian-firing-1236481982/

Mayhem

08-08-2025, 11:48 AM

She wasn’t fired. But whatever. Will be interesting if she comes back as Cara…

Andrew NDB

08-08-2025, 11:56 AM

She wasn’t fired.

So how would you characterize what happened with Rangers of the New Republic?

IMJ

08-08-2025, 01:31 PM

She wasn’t fired. But whatever.

Correct. It's worse. She was socially persecuted and then "cancelled" which caused her work and social life to suffer indignity and missed opportunity.

In short she was burned at the stake by the kinds of evil people who falsely see witches in other people and falsely see virtue in themselves.

TigerClaw

08-09-2025, 02:49 PM

Andrew NDB

08-09-2025, 04:05 PM

Basically she had some dirt on Disney that could've made them look bad, So they settled.

Not necessarily "dirt" beyond what we already know. It's just that a protracted court case where they would have to try and throw mud back at Carano to defend themselves wouldn't have made them look very good. And especially now.

Mayhem

08-09-2025, 04:19 PM

So how would you characterize what happened with Rangers of the New Republic?
Disney chose not to give her a contract for series 3 of Mando. In parallel they thus cancelled the RotNR project as a result of not wanting to employ her. Firing implies she was currently employed. She wasn’t, she had no active contract with Disney at the time of either decision.

Andrew NDB

08-09-2025, 07:55 PM

It's a pretty tacit firing. If you're a regular on a show and you suddenly are not in the next season of it because the producers don't want to work with you, that's ceasing your employment.

Mayhem

08-10-2025, 08:48 AM

But it still isn’t firing. I’m pretty pedantic about word meaning. Firing requires you to have an active work contract.

Andrew NDB

09-22-2025, 10:51 AM

Trailer is out:

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sdp

09-22-2025, 12:11 PM

I want to watch that Thrawn TV show crossover movie but I guess this has to do well for it to actually happen.

The trailer didn't do much for me, I haven't watched any of the SWs shows (or any SWs content since Episode 9). How are they going to do a movie on established characters people already followed for like 2 seasons? How can they make a movie that works for the average viewer who doesn't know who these people are and also the fans who loved and followed the show?

Also while they made a bunch of SWs shows, they also just stopped doing them as they started getting criticism from quality. So, what exactly is the crossover going to be if there hasn't been any set up? They should've continued those.

I'd watch the shows and the crossover movie if it seems interesting enough, even if i hate the Disney continuity. I'm not watching this movie though, I don't feel like watching The Mandalorian S1,2 as homework or the other shows since I'm too autistic to skip them knowing they have crossovers between them. I dunno, only SWs project I'm somewhat curious about but it seems like it has a lot of hurdles to become a success.

CyberCubed

09-22-2025, 05:24 PM

That trailer is exactly what I suspected, it's basically a Season 4 condensed into a 2 hour movie. Meh.

Andrew NDB

09-22-2025, 05:38 PM

I want to watch that Thrawn TV show crossover movie

Until story specifics started coming out about this, I thought for sure the Mandalorian movie WAS going to be the big Thrawn crossover thing. The pace of this whole thing is pretty glacial and is NOT doing it any favors.

Andrew NDB

05-25-2026, 05:15 PM

Lots of these Youtube talking heads are calling this movie a bomb but it's really not. It may have done SLIGHTLY less than Solo but it has half of the budget and should be in the green after weekend 2, even if it drops 50%.

Xav

05-26-2026, 12:06 AM

The break even point is said to be between 500 and 600 million so opening lower than a film that made less than 400 million isn't a good sign.

Andrew NDB

05-26-2026, 01:14 PM

The break even point is said to be between 500 and 600 million so opening lower than a film that made less than 400 million isn't a good sign.

Yeah, if it's mostly just international dollars coming in (for which they don't get very much % of) and less so the domestic that'd be about right. But even if we were to assume the marketing budget was the same as the production budget, that'd only be a total of 300 million which even THEN is cheaper than just Solo's production budget.

CyberCubed

05-26-2026, 04:13 PM

Yeah, no way am I seeing this in theaters, and I imagine most people don't want to pay for something they know is just 2 episodes of the show duct-tape together with a slightly higher budget. It'll be on Disney+ soon enough, then I can watch it on the illegal streaming sites for free when they get the HD rip.

Andrew NDB

05-26-2026, 04:17 PM

I imagine most people don't want to pay for something they know is just 2 episodes of the show duct-tape together with a slightly higher budget.

More like 4 episodes. Mandalorian episodes are like half an hour each and this is 2 hours and 12 minutes long.

sdp

05-26-2026, 11:58 PM

Well I watched it tonight. Theater was almost empty, it's Tuesday but still there was barely anyone in there.

I haven't watched any of the mandalorian shows or even anything star wars after épisode IX. SonI went in like a general audience member not knowing who he was, sure I'd seem the clips of Luke Skywalker appearing but that's about it. No spoilers.

I guess you don't need to know anything but it just feels like a random adventure. Mando is cool and baby Yoda is cute I guess but that gets tiring after all the action séquences the movie has. The story is decent but it's not something I want to watch again either.
The movie feels like an EU movie, I say that as both a good thing and a bad thing. It feels in the same canon as the comics and video games used to have. Fun side stories but no original ideas or just messing with the canon too much with "original characters do not copy". In fact it felt very much like a video game (cutscenes, action game play, cutscene explaininf the plot, more game pay, ending cutscene). The lack of star wars crawl or music was missed, in general the music is very forgettable.
I don't see why the movie has such great ratings, it's fine but nothing mind blowing. Waiting is likely for the best unless you're a huge fan of mandalorian I guess.
The ending felt a bit unnecessary, things had basically already been resolved and then you get a deus ex machina ending anyway. It wasn't necessary.

While I found that the movie is still dealing with rebels vs empire stuff only it's ex empire vs new republic.. it's just a bit tiring. I did love how they blended prequel trilogy stuff and make it look in the style of the original trilogy. They did a fantastic job mixing the two styles in a way that worked.

So yeah, not a bad movie but I don't see why normies would go see it. Nothing outstanding. I'm sure it'll be profitable but not a huge hit either. I don't think these type of movies will be a good idea to keep making. They'll just do worse and worse at the B.O over time. I guess hardcore fans are the only ones who would love them.

Mayhem

05-27-2026, 04:12 AM

I enjoyed it, but yeah it felt like a feature length version of a TV episode. Liked the call backs and use of aspects from other IP (the ickle baby image of Rotta, and Embo from Clone Wars, the little robots that Cal has in the Jedi Survivor series etc) plus cameos from a couple of peeps (R5, Carson Teva) and properly seeing a couple of creatures we barely got a look at in the OT (Amanin, dragonsnake).

Andrew NDB

06-22-2026, 05:16 PM

https://i.ibb.co/1tHZ38gK/729769206-10165074996794462-3138341453274567444-n.jpg

Oopsie...

IMJ

06-22-2026, 06:37 PM

Looks a picture of Pedro with himself?

Andrew NDB

06-22-2026, 06:46 PM

Looks a picture of Pedro with himself?

Kind of looks like Henry Cavill smooching on him but it's not.

CyberCubed

09-04-2026, 05:26 PM

It's out on streaming so I watched it for free on the illegal streaming websites. It really did feel like about 4 episodes of the show just combined into a movie. It was like 4 different stories where you could tell where the episode would "end" but it just continued because it was combined together. Like if you were marathoning 4 episodes of the show in a row without stopping, that's exactly what the movie was.

Jabba's son all grown up is the same "stinky" from the first CG Clone wars movie from 2008 that Anakin and Ahsoka saved, so it was a nice touch to see him all grown up. Him speaking perfectly like a regular human took me out of it though. The rest of the movie is just the usual action scenes or Grogu on his own doing hijinks while Pedro Pascal is either posioned or knocked out.

As a whole it was kinda forgettable, but mainly because there's no place for the story to go anymore. It's just the Mandalorian and Grogu traveling together...getting into trouble, saving each other...over and over again. Grogu has no development and just does cute baby Yoda stuff over and over.

IMJ

09-04-2026, 05:29 PM

The thing is that it's such a bland-plot flick with great eyecandy that if the 4k transfer is sound it becomes one of those movies that you "just put in" to have something playing in the background or whatnot.

On a long enough timeline it could become one of the Star Wars flicks that people watch the most just because of it's "nothing burger nature". Like there isn't really anything bad about it at all. It's just not "special".

Andrew NDB

09-04-2026, 06:46 PM

Coola Yagami

09-05-2026, 12:21 AM

Wife got me to watch the series. Watches the two seasons, the Mando episodes of the Boba Fett series (which you kinda need to do to get how Mando got Grogu back for season 3) and we're slowly watching season 3 as we get to those last episodes.

Bo-Katan (or rather, her actress) got a nice ass.

Andrew NDB

09-05-2026, 12:34 AM

Coola Yagami

09-05-2026, 08:25 AM

Well? Did you like them, or what? No thoughts?

LOL yeah sorry, it was late.

Yeah I enjoyed the series. Luckily I didn't have to know all the lore and whatnot. I mean, I know who Luke is, obviously, I remember Ahsoka from Clone Wars and I know the Empire fell from the old movies.

I also liked the side characters. That one lady at the fix-it shop was always fun. We got a kick of just how often the Carl Weathers character would put his hands on his hips. One of the eps he was sending out a distress call and we actually see prepare himself to get his hands on his hips in time for the recording to start.

Too bad about Gina Carano. I liked her role and the times she teamed up with Mando. I liked that one big mission where he teamed up with Cara, Bo-Katan, Sasha's character, Boba Fett and Ming-Wa's character to rescue Grogu.

As for the main characters, Mando is bad-ass. Grogu does all the Grogu things. I like how they learn to trust each other, and Mando knew him long enough to actually miss him when he handed him over to Luke. The little dude is always munching on something. I felt some sort of way when they had to keep him away from eating that endangered frog woman's eggs.

Good fight scenes, good character moments. I guess it doesn't matter now since it seems the show is over, but it does suck that Gina got canned and Weathers passed. At least the said Cara got promoted elsewhere rather than killing her off between seasons. Apparently she was gonna get her own show, but social media happened.

sdp

09-05-2026, 01:18 PM

the movie didn't make me want to check out the show at all and likely won't for a long while. i think i've mentioned it before, only a hype crossover movie with the big bad Thawn would get me to watch all the live action series, finish off Rebels and any other Filoni slop he has done over the years.
I don't hate him but I feel he's way overrated, not a huge fan of his take on star wars even if i don't particularly dislike it either.

Hard to see them making a big budget crossover movie counting this movie underperformed, the tv shows i think are no longer doing great and the hype in general for the tv show revival of star wars kind of died after season 2 of mandalorian. I mean how would they market an end game type of movie where general audiences would've needed to watch the shows before it. It's suicide. Hell that's the reason this movie didn't do well, it didn't serve well fans of the show since it didn't give them enough stuff to move the story forward and for general audiences they just didn't know who these characters were or why they should care about them. I feel anime movies and even stuff like Power Rangers movie were able to provide something to fans that feels epic, while new viewers won't be lost since they get a general feel of who the characters are.