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Misfit

11-20-2003, 02:08 PM

A good number of us b*tch and moan about how awful Next Mutation was, but I was wondering, could we have done much better if we were in charge of the show? Which makes me ask, if you were transported back to the time when TNM was still in the making, and you were given *complete* creative control, what would you have done differently? What would you change? What (if anything) would you keep the same? There would still have to be a female turtle (just for the hell of it), but how would you have gone about creating one? Things like that...answers on a postcard. :)

Karpo_007

11-20-2003, 02:22 PM

Anyone but Saban could have done it better. For starters, good writers, then good Turtle costumes, and good actors to play the parts.

Oroku Nagi

11-20-2003, 03:29 PM

If there HAD to be a female turtle, I don't think I'd do it. I wouldn't put my energy into something as doomed as that.

Misfit

11-20-2003, 03:56 PM

MW8979

11-20-2003, 05:02 PM

In a fanfic, femal turtles are acceptable, given that the writer is talented enough to weave them in properly. But in a show, April is the only girl that really works.

Savanti Romero

11-20-2003, 05:17 PM

I would have made the fight scenes better. Other than that, it was fine. Ok, maybe there would be some other stuff, like Shredder, Splinter's costume, and that's about it.

Oroku Nagi

11-20-2003, 06:14 PM

Hmm yeah, Oroku. Don't get me wrong I too am dead against the idea of a fifth, female turtle *but* I've been thinking that given a quality origin, characteristics and storylines, a female turtle might not be the most evil thing imaginable.

Maybe. I'll agree it could have been done better than it was.

I'd really just like to see better costumes, perhaps with hard shells. And a decent Shredder. That'd be nice.

J Legault

11-20-2003, 06:17 PM

for I never got a chance to know how good any of the plots for the show would be. but I was in charge I would make the costumes look simalar to the ones from the movies, have a Splinter puppet since some reason the one in the show just look too tall to be a 4 foot Rat. Since alot of people dislike Venus so we would have her out.

Have more Shredder less Miscellous Villians that looks like the Movie version. And some other charaters like April,Casey, and some mutant animals for the Old Show Fans.
Perhaps Leatherhead, Utroms, and maybe Mondo.

It would of had better ratings if it was made the right way. Uncourse Laird didn't had that much control on TMNT then he does today.

Well I might not of got a chance to see NT:NM. but atleast I'm happy with the New Series on the FoxBox. So atleast there is a well plotted series of TMNT made.

Jarrah White

11-20-2003, 11:28 PM

Hmm, what to change, well, I'd leave Venus in (I don't really see what all the fuss is about, unless people are just being sexist), but I'd change the costumes a little (Raphael's mask looks like someone cut it from a rag and splinter's head looks like someone's wearing a stuffed animal). Also, I'd make the fight scenes more sinister, and have The Shredder defeated with brutal violence. As for those dragon creatures, they are just too weird. Wouldn't gigantic, fire-breathing, man-eating dragons be more appropriate? (Did they learn nothing from the Godzilla movies?). I'd also change the script. Oh yes, and include classic TMNT characters, like I don't know, maybe, April O'Neil, Casey Jones, Baxter Stockman.

Kali

11-20-2003, 11:50 PM

Bwahahahaha! *rubs her hands together and chuckles evilly* I actually considered doing this thread not too long ago.

Well, since I already am in the process of redoing TNM, I'll take from that, without giving away too many spoilers.

Honestly, I wouldn't change too much. I'd take out a lot of the bad jokes and sound effects. I'd also add April and Casey (though not in the first five eps.)

Shredder's defeat will be less pathetic (and get this, not at the hands of a Turtle.)

Umm, better costumes, too I guess. I'm mostly chopping and combining scenes. One big change would probably be Mei's (no nickname!) personality, she won't attempt slang, and will actually act like her father just died in her arms.

MikesPizzaShack

11-20-2003, 11:57 PM

well they killed shredder....like in the 3rd ep...thats what made me mad...venus ws a kewl idea but her origin needed to be better. the turtles masks/costumes were ok but maybe done a bit diff. and the whole name was wrong. cuz i remember near the end of the old school show,because of the mutagen that mutated them it mate them mutae into monster like turtles at times of rage or intense emotion. so i thoght it was gonna be like that. was april even in the show? cuz i dont remember but if she wasnt i would have her and casey in the show. and the dragon dude who ever he was, was a total joke....reminded me of a bad power rangers bad guy....to make it worse they were even in a power rangers episode....now i like power rangers still(its getting better belive me) but TMNT on power rangers?? thats just stupid. 2 diff universes like that cant be together. and also it could of been a bit mroe mature. like how the movies felt..the show didnt have that feel...what was even weirder was they had the same train station house as they did in the movies. so was it kinda like a spin off? the fighting could of been better. and maybe insted of all new story plots use some of the plots from various TMNT comics.

Reznorite420

11-21-2003, 08:43 AM

Simply put, if I was in charge of TNM, I'd take one look at the script and say, in a George Carlin-ish tone, "Are you people f**king nuts? A 2-year-old with Downs Syndrome wouldn't want to watch this!"

BTW, shouldn't this be General Discussion? Since, as you may or may not know, TNM is in no way, shape or form part of TMNT according to me ;)

MW8979

11-21-2003, 04:20 PM

"Next Mutation: How would you have done it?"

I wouldn't have done it at all. It would be better for the turtles to have undergone a 10 year hiatus then have their names dragged through the mud.

ZariusTwo

11-21-2003, 04:54 PM

Hmm, what to change, well, I'd leave Venus in (I don't really see what all the fuss is about, unless people are just being sexist).

Ok get a clue, Venus SUCKED, and no it was NOT because she was female, or a new Turtle, it was because her character was pathetically written, and she was annoying, she was like Justin in Power Rangers Turbo, she took the spotlight from the others.

There is only ONE Fifth Turtle and his name is ZACK

Kiss_My_Shell

11-21-2003, 05:18 PM

Space Tanuki 9

11-21-2003, 09:38 PM

*grins* Mmm... Zach the Fifth Turtle... I dunno. I would have added a female mutant, sure. More mutants :) Definately keep in April and Space Case, instead of getting a mention in one ruddy episode. No mystical stuff... some of it gets two twinkish for my taste. I dunno, I never liked the Venus character, and she still reminds me of the 13-year-olds I used to RP with in Yahoo who stole every power from the X-Men to give their characters, awed me with their beauty and strength and mega-muscles, then complained when I took too long to pose. Just because they were one-liners and I grew up paragraph RPing :)

Anyone on Yahoo knows what I'm talking about.
Grr.

Buslady

11-21-2003, 10:04 PM

If I had to have a female turtle she certainly wouldn't have chichis and she's be taller not shorter than the boys. girls turtles are bigger than the boys.

The guys would be the Henson versions, they're believeable. with all the original voices and made the show darker, the hell with parents bitching about how dark the movie 1 style was, a show like that would be cool.
I'd do some major character development too..
if I did the show it would NOT be on during kid's cartoon times. I'd make it GOOD.
So damn good it'd be on Adult Swim....

Raven

11-21-2003, 10:26 PM

EASY
nudity
:D
:roll:

Kali

11-22-2003, 04:47 PM

EASY
nudity
:D
:roll:
BOOYAH! Heh heh, wonder if I can pull that off...

DarkNinja

11-22-2003, 08:27 PM

Most people don't like Venus, which may be the concept of a fifth female turtle. But it could also be personality, so my suggestion is to change Venus's personality. Don't make her a suck up, take away all the goofy stupid jokes, make her have some other attribute to the team (I think she took over Leo's role way too much). I don't know, I guess she could feed the chickens in the morning... :roll:

MikesPizzaShack

11-23-2003, 02:51 AM

i got it....give venus a new color...sure it was a baby blue/sky blue which ever u wanna call it but it wqas blue....leo is the only blue. give her a diff color and the whole series would of been saved :D :lol: :tgrin: :tsmile: :thumbsup:

The Defibrillator

11-23-2003, 02:59 AM

If I was in charge of TNM I would skewer it with a fork until it couldn't possibly get into the public. Then I would throw it in a dumpster and forget about it.

Jarrah White

11-23-2003, 03:14 AM

There is only ONE Fifth Turtle and his name is ZACK

Who's Zack? Did the original series introduce a fifth mutant turtle at some stage?

ZariusTwo

11-23-2003, 10:43 AM

Errr..you call yourself a Turtle fan?

Zach, the "Fifth Turtle" was a human kid who was "offically" made an honoarary Turtle by the TMNT when he helped save their asses, his brother was also made a "Turtle" in the episode where he stole Splinter's sacred Pouch, but managed to get it back.

And both ruled ten times better than Venus

XERO

11-23-2003, 12:44 PM

There is only ONE Fifth Turtle and his name is ZACK

Uhhh, exsqueeze me? :o

Jarrah White

11-23-2003, 03:59 PM

Errr..you call yourself a Turtle fan?

Cut me some slack, as a young boy I wasn't interested in the turtles, my friend were though. The only old show episodes I have seen were Adventures in Turtle Sitting, Leonardo is Missing, and Adventures of RhinoMan.

Bowser_Koopa

11-23-2003, 04:03 PM

poor you :cry: , you haven't seen the old series 'till you see the whole first season

Bowser_Koopa

11-23-2003, 04:05 PM

There is only ONE Fifth Turtle and his name is ZACK

Uhhh, exsqueeze me? :o

shh. don't say it too loud........ now look at the mirror and repeat "I AM A REAL TRUE NINJA TURTLE!" say it like 50 times :D

Turtle Titan

11-26-2003, 09:56 PM

presonally... I wouldn't have done it. they changed way to much stuff. it just plain old sucked.

Jamezer

11-27-2003, 12:18 AM

EASY
nudity
:D
:roll:

The turtles are allready naked :lol:

Jamezer

11-27-2003, 12:25 AM

What would i have done differently?
First of all, if i had to include venus, i would add her as a friend of the turtles, not their long lost sister. I would also not make her weapon, a pair of magic BALLS. I would give her a graceful weapon, like the fans that kitana uses in Mortal Kombat. I would not have killed off shredder. I think that shredder is a very well developed character, and it would be a waste of good recource to get rid of him. I would have brought back bebop and rocksteady as well. I probably would have based it a little more on the original cartoon.

VaughnMichael

11-27-2003, 01:43 AM

http://www.pixilatedwhitewash.com/TMNTNextMutation.jpg(thats an actual add I have from a comic book)
I'd have made it like I thought it was going to be by this add and all the talk that was floating around at the time....the actual next mutation was such a huge shock for me...it was extremely different then any TMNT thing I'd have ever seen but it was fresh and new at the time and it was the TMNT and to me that was great even if most of the costumes were terrible...I am sure they had an extremely low budget....you wouldn't really know what that's like though unless you've worked on a movie before *sighs*
like many others here have said now and before I'd have had it a bit like the old toon...but doing the entire mutating thing again and in more detail and making this show tie up all the loose ends in the old show...like where bebop and rocksteady are.....I'd really have loved to see them krang, Lord Dregg, Mung, Rat King, & many others brought to life threw the live action show....now I personally feal the show could have done better without Venus demilo I didn't care for her voice much I do think she was a cutie though I wish they would have kept with the hot pink bands they were going to use for her though it looked allot better on her and would have used yellow on Leo I think he looks good in yellow....I don't see why everyone is sooooooooooo afraid of change Laird even knows that change is good but to keep the same basic element there is good.....it's always good to be a risk taker you never know where it might lead you....other things i'd leave out of next mutation would be all the annoying noises for everything, raph saying get it after every joke he said that really annoyed me, splinters costume was just horrid id rather have left him out then see him like that, same goes for the shredder.......I really wish they had a bigger budget for that because things like Silver & Dragon Lord would have looked great if the henson creature shop would have done it....I really did love Dr. Quease no matter what anyone else says to me he was the best new (old he actually reminds me of Doc Feral from the rpg game book http://www.pixilatedwhitewash.com/DOcFeral1.jpg) character in this show and I'd love to see him in the new show actually.....
hmmmmm what else all in all write better episodes.....get better actors for the cast lose the noises bring krang into the show.....and more mutants would have been good but I am sure it would have been extremely hard with the crap budget they had been given...ooooooooo I'd also would have loved to have seen the Terror Bears & Baxter Stockman in this show also almost forgot to add ^_^...
well thats my 2 cents
Vaughn Michael

Zage

02-03-2009, 10:55 AM

I would've made it a cartoon. :P At least that way it would've lasted for a few more years, heck, I woulda made it a continuation from the old series, & made it the next season. :D

ZariusTwo

02-03-2009, 12:54 PM

Don't fracking necropost

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

02-03-2009, 04:54 PM

*Remove all magic that Venus used.
*April and Casey
*Remove those stupid Rank Dragons/Dragon Lord
*Bring some cool stuff from the Archie Comics

Kendamu

02-03-2009, 05:36 PM

Drop Venus and make the show animated and it would've turned out better.

Even if Venus were to stay, at least make it animated.

Cipher

02-03-2009, 05:59 PM

Remove all wacky sound effects.

The show is now exponentially better (though it still has a ways to go).

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

02-04-2009, 06:53 AM

Why animated? It would probably be an 11th season of the 1987 cartoon.

Guitar_Raph

02-04-2009, 07:27 AM

My ideas.

1). Add Casey & April. Raph would meet Casey on one of his motorcycle rides.

2). Leo would be in love with Venus & build a relationship.

3). Mikey's Sewer Hour would be a hit pirate radio show, it would make the switch to a web show (ala ICarly).

4). At least one episode where they play as a band!

cup-mikey-gertha

02-04-2009, 07:34 AM

This is my first time posting in this thread (from what I can remember ^__^) ... so how would I made Next Mutation? I'll let one of The Turtles be the spouse of Venus towards the end. Anyway, it's a different storyline so anything can happen.

;)

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

02-04-2009, 07:34 AM

Drtooth

02-04-2009, 10:00 AM

4). At least one episode where they play as a band!

Yeah... that would work if the show was made in the 1970's. :trolleye:

Basically, the same thing everyone else would have done... No 5th turtle... replace her with April. There, you got your positive female role model. End of story.

Guitar_Raph

02-04-2009, 02:43 PM

On the series preview where they played as a band, Venus wasn't there. Guess she was a go-go dancer. The band had Raph & Leo on guitars, Mikey on drums & Don on bass.

doomiscool

02-04-2009, 08:12 PM

If I was in charge and there had to be a female turtle, I would have made it so Shredder or someone mutated a person into a mutant turtle and then throughout the series have the TMNT trying to reverse it...(And probably succeeding at the end of the series)

I agree, April and Casey were needed. I also say Shred shoulda been the villain not some dragons, a monkey and vampires :P
Venus's magic was useless!!! She never did anything with it...Then in the episode they tried to justify her (Last ep) they failed miserably cause it was a clip-show :ohwell:

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

02-05-2009, 07:08 PM

doomiscool

02-05-2009, 07:16 PM

Not reserve. Why not try to persuade her to switch side?

That would probably work too ;)

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

02-06-2009, 10:31 AM

That would probably work too ;)

Yes, and even if she becomes their friend, she doesn't need to appear regular in every story.

dingodile555

02-06-2009, 07:10 PM

I also say Shred shoulda been the villain not some dragons, a monkey and vampires :P

Well to be fair he did appear in some episodes so he wasn't completely left out.
The absence of April and Casey is what makes this series feel so weird to me. But still I love Next Mutation, I'm kind of embarassed because it's so cheesy but I guess that's just why I love it.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

02-07-2009, 12:39 PM

Well to be fair he did appear in some episodes so he wasn't completely left out.
The absence of April and Casey is what makes this series feel so weird to me. But still I love Next Mutation, I'm kind of embarassed because it's so cheesy but I guess that's just why I love it.

Even Irma could have been in the show.

Mr._Mutant_Man

02-07-2009, 06:23 PM

-I think I would have kept their costume design similar to the movies.

-Shredder would have remained the main villain, or at least he would have made further appearances. Other live action villains would have been Rat King, Karai, and Baxter Stockman. Maybe Savanti Romero, too.

-No Venus DeMilo. I would have had April and Casey instead. Maybe have April's character written so that she's tired of being the damsel in distress so she gets the turtles to train her in martial arts.

Now, would NM April wear the yellow jumpsuit or not? I don't see how it'd look too goofy next to the turtle costumes they used.

shuriken

02-07-2009, 08:56 PM

OK. I would have to change a lot of stuff.
Costumes would be very similar to the Movie ones, no stupid sound effects when they fight and change their voices to actually sound like teens.
First off it would happen about two years(chronologically) after the 3rd movie and have nothing to do with the old toon( it was great the way it was).
April and Casey would be returning characters as well as Leatherhead, Mondo Gecko who would be introduced later on in the show as mutants like them travelling the sewers. The main villain would be the Shredder who wasn't killed in the Secret of the ooze, the impact of the pillars just knocked him out and made him come back to his senses and unstupified him (you know he was no longer a raging mutant but the evil master mind he once was) with the added boost of being a roided up Shredder in all his spikey armored glory.
Apparently Tatsu would have saved more vials of the ooze and with this they make more mutants. Venus and Slash, Slash comes out deformed with a really f**ked up shell and Venus turns out to be a female turtle( no boobies just longer legs and less muscle mass). They would be trained by Shredder to defeat the Turtles, Venus having the tonfas and Slash having his signature f*cked up Katana. But they do not attack or make a move for the two years in order to both train these new bloods (Slash and Venus) and reform the Foot.
What would the TMNT doing with the two years in between? Fight the Purple Dragons for one; Leo and Raph are no longer constatly at each other's neck; Mike does have a radio show and Donnie starts an auction site where he sells refurbished goods and his inventions.
There would be more villains introduced like the Rat King, Bonesteel, Queeze,
and Dragon Lord( I know most people hate him but if done differently he could be really bitchin').
First set of Episodes would center around the Turtles finding out that the Foot is coming back together and uncover that the Shredder is still alive and well. Venus and Slash would then eventually face off against the Turtles, although Venus and Leo develop a liking to each but still remain enemies. Eventually Venus switches sides and joins the Turtles. Venus stays with the guys until they defeat Shredder and his cronies in a warehouse brawl.
Venus gradually gains their trust as she saves them from the likes of th Rat King in an episode and then becomes a part of the team.
Dragon Lord would have to be an ancient but very powerful being that is inadvertently freed by The Purple Dragons and decides to take them over as "thanks" and becomes their leader. Through his leadership the Purple Dragons, become a very powerful crime syndicate and start engrossing other gangs as well into their orginaziation and eventually begin to give the Foot a run for their money, but don't really take off until season 2.
Venus turns out to be a spy for the Foot and discloses the Turtle's location as well as April's and Casey's causing some big calamity at the end of the season with Leo being totally heart broken and getting all pissed at the world and such. Splinter gets badly injured in the assault and the 7 of them head off to Casey's farmhouse to gain back their composure. Then it gets cancelled:lol:.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

02-08-2009, 07:47 AM

Rat King would rock!