Next Mutation: How would you have done it?

Misfit · 11-20-2003, 02:08 PM

A good number of us b*tch and moan about how awful Next Mutation was, but I was wondering, could we have done much better if we were in charge of the show? Which makes me ask, if you were transported back to the time when TNM was still in the making, and you were given *complete* creative control, what would you have done differently? What would you change? What (if anything) would you keep the same? There would still have to be a female turtle (just for the hell of it), but how would you have gone about creating one? Things like that...answers on a postcard.

**Karpo_007** · 11-20-2003, 02:22 PM

Anyone but Saban could have done it better. For starters, good writers, then good Turtle costumes, and good actors to play the parts.

Oroku Nagi · 11-20-2003, 03:29 PM

If there HAD to be a female turtle, I don't think I'd do it. I wouldn't put my energy into something as doomed as that.

Misfit · 11-20-2003, 03:56 PM

Hmm yeah, Oroku. Don't get me wrong I too am dead against the idea of a fifth, female turtle *but* I've been thinking that given a quality origin, characteristics and storylines, a female turtle might not be the most evil thing imaginable.

MW8979 · 11-20-2003, 05:02 PM

In a fanfic, femal turtles are acceptable, given that the writer is talented enough to weave them in properly. But in a show, April is the only girl that really works.

Savanti Romero · 11-20-2003, 05:17 PM

I would have made the fight scenes better. Other than that, it was fine. Ok, maybe there would be some other stuff, like Shredder, Splinter's costume, and that's about it.

Oroku Nagi · 11-20-2003, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by NinjaGirl21

Hmm yeah, Oroku. Don't get me wrong I too am dead against the idea of a fifth, female turtle *but* I've been thinking that given a quality origin, characteristics and storylines, a female turtle might not be the most evil thing imaginable.

Maybe. I'll agree it could have been done better than it was.

I'd really just like to see better costumes, perhaps with hard shells. And a decent Shredder. That'd be nice.

*J Legault* · 11-20-2003, 06:17 PM

for I never got a chance to know how good any of the plots for the show would be. but I was in charge I would make the costumes look simalar to the ones from the movies, have a Splinter puppet since some reason the one in the show just look too tall to be a 4 foot Rat. Since alot of people dislike Venus so we would have her out.

Have more Shredder less Miscellous Villians that looks like the Movie version. And some other charaters like April,Casey, and some mutant animals for the Old Show Fans.
Perhaps Leatherhead, Utroms, and maybe Mondo.

It would of had better ratings if it was made the right way. Uncourse Laird didn't had that much control on TMNT then he does today.

Well I might not of got a chance to see NT:NM. but atleast I'm happy with the New Series on the FoxBox. So atleast there is a well plotted series of TMNT made.

~~Jarrah White~~ · 11-20-2003, 11:28 PM

Hmm, what to change, well, I'd leave Venus in (I don't really see what all the fuss is about, unless people are just being sexist), but I'd change the costumes a little (Raphael's mask looks like someone cut it from a rag and splinter's head looks like someone's wearing a stuffed animal). Also, I'd make the fight scenes more sinister, and have The Shredder defeated with brutal violence. As for those dragon creatures, they are just too weird. Wouldn't gigantic, fire-breathing, man-eating dragons be more appropriate? (Did they learn nothing from the Godzilla movies?). I'd also change the script. Oh yes, and include classic TMNT characters, like I don't know, maybe, April O'Neil, Casey Jones, Baxter Stockman.

**Kali** · 11-20-2003, 11:50 PM

Bwahahahaha! *rubs her hands together and chuckles evilly* I actually considered doing this thread not too long ago.

Well, since I already am in the process of redoing TNM, I'll take from that, without giving away too many spoilers.

Honestly, I wouldn't change too much. I'd take out a lot of the bad jokes and sound effects. I'd also add April and Casey (though not in the first five eps.)

Shredder's defeat will be less pathetic (and get this, not at the hands of a Turtle.)

Umm, better costumes, too I guess. I'm mostly chopping and combining scenes. One big change would probably be Mei's (no nickname!) personality, she won't attempt slang, and will actually act like her father just died in her arms.

MikesPizzaShack · 11-20-2003, 11:57 PM

well they killed shredder....like in the 3rd ep...thats what made me mad...venus ws a kewl idea but her origin needed to be better. the turtles masks/costumes were ok but maybe done a bit diff. and the whole name was wrong. cuz i remember near the end of the old school show,because of the mutagen that mutated them it mate them mutae into monster like turtles at times of rage or intense emotion. so i thoght it was gonna be like that. was april even in the show? cuz i dont remember but if she wasnt i would have her and casey in the show. and the dragon dude who ever he was, was a total joke....reminded me of a bad power rangers bad guy....to make it worse they were even in a power rangers episode....now i like power rangers still(its getting better belive me) but TMNT on power rangers?? thats just stupid. 2 diff universes like that cant be together. and also it could of been a bit mroe mature. like how the movies felt..the show didnt have that feel...what was even weirder was they had the same train station house as they did in the movies. so was it kinda like a spin off? the fighting could of been better. and maybe insted of all new story plots use some of the plots from various TMNT comics.

~~Reznorite420~~ · 11-21-2003, 08:43 AM

Simply put, if I was in charge of TNM, I'd take one look at the script and say, in a George Carlin-ish tone, "Are you people f**king nuts? A 2-year-old with Downs Syndrome wouldn't want to watch this!"

BTW, shouldn't this be General Discussion? Since, as you may or may not know, TNM is in no way, shape or form part of TMNT according to me

MW8979 · 11-21-2003, 04:20 PM

"Next Mutation: How would you have done it?"

I wouldn't have done it at all. It would be better for the turtles to have undergone a 10 year hiatus then have their names dragged through the mud.

*ZariusTwo* · 11-21-2003, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Jarrah White

Hmm, what to change, well, I'd leave Venus in (I don't really see what all the fuss is about, unless people are just being sexist).

Ok get a clue, Venus SUCKED, and no it was NOT because she was female, or a new Turtle, it was because her character was pathetically written, and she was annoying, she was like Justin in Power Rangers Turbo, she took the spotlight from the others.

There is only ONE Fifth Turtle and his name is ZACK

Kiss_My_Shell · 11-21-2003, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

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Originally Posted by Jarrah White

Hmm, what to change, well, I'd leave Venus in (I don't really see what all the fuss is about, unless people are just being sexist).

Ok get a clue, Venus SUCKED, and no it was NOT because she was female, or a new Turtle, it was because her character was pathetically written, and she was annoying, she was like Justin in Power Rangers Turbo, she took the spotlight from the others.

There is only ONE Fifth Turtle and his name is ZACK

I didn't really have a problem with Venus either,I mean,to me it was just another TMNT show.I was just happy they were back on tv,better than nothing isn't it?

Space Tanuki 9 · 11-21-2003, 09:38 PM

*grins* Mmm... Zach the Fifth Turtle... I dunno. I would have added a female mutant, sure. More mutants

Definately keep in April and Space Case, instead of getting a mention in one ruddy episode. No mystical stuff... some of it gets two twinkish for my taste. I dunno, I never liked the Venus character, and she still reminds me of the 13-year-olds I used to RP with in Yahoo who stole every power from the X-Men to give their characters, awed me with their beauty and strength and mega-muscles, then complained when I took too long to pose. Just because they were one-liners and I grew up paragraph RPing

Anyone on Yahoo knows what I'm talking about.
Grr.

*Buslady* · 11-21-2003, 10:04 PM

If I had to have a female turtle she certainly wouldn't have chichis and she's be taller not shorter than the boys. girls turtles are bigger than the boys.

The guys would be the Henson versions, they're believeable. with all the original voices and made the show darker, the hell with parents bitching about how dark the movie 1 style was, a show like that would be cool.
I'd do some major character development too..
if I did the show it would NOT be on during kid's cartoon times. I'd make it GOOD.
So damn good it'd be on Adult Swim....

*Raven* · 11-21-2003, 10:26 PM

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**Kali** · 11-22-2003, 04:47 PM

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BOOYAH! Heh heh, wonder if I can pull that off...

DarkNinja · 11-22-2003, 08:27 PM

Most people don't like Venus, which may be the concept of a fifth female turtle. But it could also be personality, so my suggestion is to change Venus's personality. Don't make her a suck up, take away all the goofy stupid jokes, make her have some other attribute to the team (I think she took over Leo's role way too much). I don't know, I guess she could feed the chickens in the morning...

11-20-2003, 02:08 PM	#1
Misfit Stone Warrior Join Date: May 2003 Location: UK Posts: 508	Next Mutation: How would you have done it? A good number of us btch and moan about how awful Next Mutation was, but I was wondering, could we have done much better if we were in charge of the show? Which makes me ask, if you were transported back to the time when TNM was still in the making, and you were given complete* creative control, what would you have done differently? What would you change? What (if anything) would you keep the same? There would still have to be a female turtle (just for the hell of it), but how would you have gone about creating one? Things like that...answers on a postcard. __________________ My LiveJournal My Fanfiction "I'm the pretty one!" - Mikey in "Meet Casey Jones".

11-20-2003, 03:56 PM	#4
Misfit Stone Warrior Join Date: May 2003 Location: UK Posts: 508	Hmm yeah, Oroku. Don't get me wrong I too am dead against the idea of a fifth, female turtle but I've been thinking that given a quality origin, characteristics and storylines, a female turtle might not be the most evil thing imaginable. __________________ My LiveJournal My Fanfiction "I'm the pretty one!" - Mikey in "Meet Casey Jones".

11-20-2003, 05:17 PM	#6
Savanti Romero Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Colorado Posts: 600	I would have made the fight scenes better. Other than that, it was fine. Ok, maybe there would be some other stuff, like Shredder, Splinter's costume, and that's about it. __________________ "The sceptor has returned at last; and it's all mine!" -Savanti Romero, Vol. 1 issue 47 1992 AKA: [email protected] utromheadquarters.0catch.com

11-20-2003, 06:17 PM	#8
J Legault Mad Scientist Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: West Coast Posts: 2,054	for I never got a chance to know how good any of the plots for the show would be. but I was in charge I would make the costumes look simalar to the ones from the movies, have a Splinter puppet since some reason the one in the show just look too tall to be a 4 foot Rat. Since alot of people dislike Venus so we would have her out. Have more Shredder less Miscellous Villians that looks like the Movie version. And some other charaters like April,Casey, and some mutant animals for the Old Show Fans. Perhaps Leatherhead, Utroms, and maybe Mondo. It would of had better ratings if it was made the right way. Uncourse Laird didn't had that much control on TMNT then he does today. Well I might not of got a chance to see NT:NM. but atleast I'm happy with the New Series on the FoxBox. So atleast there is a well plotted series of TMNT made. __________________ I am a fan of TMNT and I'm still one today. I got into the habbit back in 1992 or 93' when I was little. I would like to thank my 2 year older cousin for getting me in the habbit. 2001 was when I revised my knowledge on TMNT. And today I'm a bigger fan than I was years ago. I have all 3 TMNT Movies, current Toon, and old school Toon on DVD.

11-20-2003, 11:57 PM	#11
MikesPizzaShack Hench Mutant Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 466	well they killed shredder....like in the 3rd ep...thats what made me mad...venus ws a kewl idea but her origin needed to be better. the turtles masks/costumes were ok but maybe done a bit diff. and the whole name was wrong. cuz i remember near the end of the old school show,because of the mutagen that mutated them it mate them mutae into monster like turtles at times of rage or intense emotion. so i thoght it was gonna be like that. was april even in the show? cuz i dont remember but if she wasnt i would have her and casey in the show. and the dragon dude who ever he was, was a total joke....reminded me of a bad power rangers bad guy....to make it worse they were even in a power rangers episode....now i like power rangers still(its getting better belive me) but TMNT on power rangers?? thats just stupid. 2 diff universes like that cant be together. and also it could of been a bit mroe mature. like how the movies felt..the show didnt have that feel...what was even weirder was they had the same train station house as they did in the movies. so was it kinda like a spin off? the fighting could of been better. and maybe insted of all new story plots use some of the plots from various TMNT comics. __________________ Hey Check out my Site WWW.TheFanriot.com and our podcast The FanRiot on iTunes!!!! "Welcome to Mikes Pizza Shack! You order the pizza and I eat it."

11-20-2003, 02:22 PM	#2
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Anyone but Saban could have done it better. For starters, good writers, then good Turtle costumes, and good actors to play the parts.

11-20-2003, 03:29 PM	#3
Oroku Nagi Random Punk Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 30	If there HAD to be a female turtle, I don't think I'd do it. I wouldn't put my energy into something as doomed as that.

11-20-2003, 05:02 PM	#5
MW8979 Hench Mutant Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 431	In a fanfic, femal turtles are acceptable, given that the writer is talented enough to weave them in properly. But in a show, April is the only girl that really works.

11-20-2003, 11:28 PM	#9
~~Jarrah White~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 2,394	Hmm, what to change, well, I'd leave Venus in (I don't really see what all the fuss is about, unless people are just being sexist), but I'd change the costumes a little (Raphael's mask looks like someone cut it from a rag and splinter's head looks like someone's wearing a stuffed animal). Also, I'd make the fight scenes more sinister, and have The Shredder defeated with brutal violence. As for those dragon creatures, they are just too weird. Wouldn't gigantic, fire-breathing, man-eating dragons be more appropriate? (Did they learn nothing from the Godzilla movies?). I'd also change the script. Oh yes, and include classic TMNT characters, like I don't know, maybe, April O'Neil, Casey Jones, Baxter Stockman.

11-20-2003, 11:50 PM	#10
Kali Inactive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: California! Posts: 11,101	Bwahahahaha! rubs her hands together and chuckles evilly I actually considered doing this thread not too long ago. Well, since I already am in the process of redoing TNM, I'll take from that, without giving away too many spoilers. Honestly, I wouldn't change too much. I'd take out a lot of the bad jokes and sound effects. I'd also add April and Casey (though not in the first five eps.) Shredder's defeat will be less pathetic (and get this, not at the hands of a Turtle.) Umm, better costumes, too I guess. I'm mostly chopping and combining scenes. One big change would probably be Mei's (no nickname!) personality, she won't attempt slang, and will actually act like her father just died in her arms.

11-21-2003, 08:43 AM	#12
~~Reznorite420~~ Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 3,851	Simply put, if I was in charge of TNM, I'd take one look at the script and say, in a George Carlin-ish tone, "Are you people f**king nuts? A 2-year-old with Downs Syndrome wouldn't want to watch this!" BTW, shouldn't this be General Discussion? Since, as you may or may not know, TNM is in no way, shape or form part of TMNT according to me

11-21-2003, 04:20 PM	#13
MW8979 Hench Mutant Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 431	"Next Mutation: How would you have done it?" I wouldn't have done it at all. It would be better for the turtles to have undergone a 10 year hiatus then have their names dragged through the mud.

11-21-2003, 09:38 PM	#16
Space Tanuki 9 Random Punk Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: New Hampshell Posts: 47	grins Mmm... Zach the Fifth Turtle... I dunno. I would have added a female mutant, sure. More mutants Definately keep in April and Space Case, instead of getting a mention in one ruddy episode. No mystical stuff... some of it gets two twinkish for my taste. I dunno, I never liked the Venus character, and she still reminds me of the 13-year-olds I used to RP with in Yahoo who stole every power from the X-Men to give their characters, awed me with their beauty and strength and mega-muscles, then complained when I took too long to pose. Just because they were one-liners and I grew up paragraph RPing Anyone on Yahoo knows what I'm talking about. Grr. __________________ "Ohaiyo Wasabi!" "Hullo MUSTARD?"

11-21-2003, 10:04 PM	#17
Buslady WingsOfDarkness! Perkele! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In 7803... Posts: 4,366	If I had to have a female turtle she certainly wouldn't have chichis and she's be taller not shorter than the boys. girls turtles are bigger than the boys. The guys would be the Henson versions, they're believeable. with all the original voices and made the show darker, the hell with parents bitching about how dark the movie 1 style was, a show like that would be cool. I'd do some major character development too.. if I did the show it would NOT be on during kid's cartoon times. I'd make it GOOD. So damn good it'd be on Adult Swim.... __________________

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11-22-2003, 08:27 PM	#20
DarkNinja Foot Soldier Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: USA Posts: 162	Most people don't like Venus, which may be the concept of a fifth female turtle. But it could also be personality, so my suggestion is to change Venus's personality. Don't make her a suck up, take away all the goofy stupid jokes, make her have some other attribute to the team (I think she took over Leo's role way too much). I don't know, I guess she could feed the chickens in the morning... __________________ Do not think that you have to win, rather, think that you do not have to lose. -Gichin Funakoshi