Captain Marvel 2

[ZariusTwo]

Box office projects are estimated to be 72% worse than there were for Quantamania.

https://screenrant.com/the-marvels-early-box-office-projections/

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, pretty soft indeed:

https://www.darkhorizons.com/the-marvels-targets-a-quiet-opening/

Looks like yep, they're going to be blaming it on the actresses not being able to promote it as well as... Taylor Swift's concert film dropping early? wtf...

[IMJ]

I hope it flops miserably and the financial losses on it are so great that it seals the fate of Disney's woke messaging forever. I would have no stake in the game for this one beyond the basic "don't pay for woke $#!(" philosophy, but what they've done with Kamala Khan in this is deeply, deeply disapointing.

Nothing against the actress - she's charming, cute and upbeat as can be. It's not about her or the fundamental character of "Kamala Khan" at all - it's about the appropriation of what are basically the quantum bands for the agenda-movie.

F 'em.

[Autbot_Benz]

I hope it flops just so Marvel cuts ties with Brie Larson and recasts Danvers. I have never seen an actress worse for the part since Megan Fox as April O Neil.

[CyberCubed]

The movie feels like a made for TV movie, added by the Disney + characters in it. I'll watch it for free when it comes out on the illegal streaming websites. They usually have it uploaded within hours of it going on Disney+

[Andrew NDB]

I hope it flops just so Marvel cuts ties with Brie Larson and recasts Danvers.

It flopping would hardly be a guarantee of a recasting. More like just pushing the character itself further into the background.

Also, if it does flop (and it looks like it will, by all metrics available), they've created for themselves completely on their own some very uncomfortable math:

Movie #1: Carol Danvers by herself = 1.1 billion dollars.

Movie #2: Carol Danvers + 1 black woman + 1 Pakistani woman = A GIANT FLOP.

[IMJ]

It flopping would hardly be a guarantee of a recasting. More like just pushing the character itself further into the background.

Also, if it does flop (and it looks like it will, by all metrics available), they've created for themselves completely on their own some very uncomfortable math:

Movie #1: Carol Danvers by herself = 1.1 billion dollars.

Movie #2: Carol Danvers + 1 black woman + 1 Pakistani woman = A GIANT FLOP.

I've always liked Monica Rambeau - If they made a Photon flick, especially with that gorgeous actress playing her, I'd be down for it as long as it wasn't marketed for peasant-thinker woke $#!( agenda.

Either way when this movie fails and Disney can't afford to buy their own tickets, they'll blame "Superhero fatigue" rather than their agenda and their output - and there are people who will believe that - some on this very forum.

[Coola Yagami]

It flopping would hardly be a guarantee of a recasting. More like just pushing the character itself further into the background.

Also, if it does flop (and it looks like it will, by all metrics available), they've created for themselves completely on their own some very uncomfortable math:

Movie #1: Carol Danvers by herself = 1.1 billion dollars.

Movie #2: Carol Danvers + 1 black woman + 1 Pakistani woman = A GIANT FLOP.

That worse part is that the wrong lesson will be learned. The movie does not suck because it has female leads, two of them being POC. It sucks because it ****ing sucks, end of, regardless who is casted in it.

But as usual, the sole reason for the movie failing, according to TPTB will be 'muh racism'.

Like do these people listen to themselves. If all that were true, then it would mean that-

A- 95% of the Marvel fanbase are racists

and

B- there aren't enough woke normies to help make the movie a financial blockbuster

[IMJ]

This is why I point out that there are no "anti-tickets" reducing the "sold ticket number" when people here have gone on about "racists ruining movies" when a movie has failed in the past.

You can only accumulate ticket numbers. Not reduce them. So basically if ten people show up to a movie and it flops and one of those 10 call everyone who didn't go see it a racist, then that moron has called literally the entire planet "racists". And in a world of 8.1 billion people, even if 1 BILLION world wide magically saw a movie together and it flopped they still haven't put a dent into the reality of the situation by saying that "racists caused this to flop".

And that's another example of how dumb these people are. Just running around babbling nonsense about the social justice because they feel like they are the main character. FFFFFFFuh.... YUUUUK. These people. FFFFfffffuh.... YUUKKK the Disney brain trust and FFFFFFFFF Uhhhhh. Ke. "The Marvels".

[Autbot_Benz]

The promo, which was quietly released as an X advertisement through Marvel Studios' official account, ends with Carol remarking that she "called a friend." This is then followed by a glimpse of the Bifrost, seemingly suggesting that an Asgardian — either Thor (Chris Hemsworth) or Valkyrie (Tessa Thompson) is making an appearance.



https://comicbook.com/movies/news/new-the-marvels-teaser-spoil-major-mcu-cameo-valkyrie/

I adore Tessa Thompson's Valkyrie but that won't make me watch this. No way Thor is in this after how dirty they did him in Love and Blunder.

[Zulithe]

They'll probably blame the low boxoffice on the strike so no lessons will be learned here.

[Andrew NDB]

Wtf... this says they were going to have Valkyrie romantically hook up with Carol Danvers.

https://comicbookmovie.com/captain-marvel/the-marvels/the-marvels-latest-tv-spot-appears-to-spoil-cameo-role-for-fan-favorite-avenger-a207165?fbclid=IwAR0FlcBmsMYJtwOHHiWQQ4_vaV-zxp-NNVqulafXpRB_ayN20j85PGo7jzY#gs.3d0c.6yb7ah

But I guess it's cut out of the movie?

[IMJ]

Wtf... this says they were going to have Valkyrie romantically hook up with Carol Danvers.

https://comicbookmovie.com/captain-marvel/the-marvels/the-marvels-latest-tv-spot-appears-to-spoil-cameo-role-for-fan-favorite-avenger-a207165?fbclid=IwAR0FlcBmsMYJtwOHHiWQQ4_vaV-zxp-NNVqulafXpRB_ayN20j85PGo7jzY#gs.3d0c.6yb7ah

But I guess it's cut out of the movie?

Nahhhh leave it.... lleeeavvee iiitttttt....
Seriously they should have left that in - it would have helped the box office. Right? Hey where are the forum SJW loudmouths who swore up and down this was all a blistering success all these years? We need them to validate the Carol/Valkyrie relationship with a "shipped name".

[Sumac]

Its weird - I'd expect them to include relationship for more "MESSAGE" points.

But I guess, movie is a disaster and a half and they hope that by tuning down the "MESSAGE", they'd be able to pretend it is something better or at least bad, not due to the message...IDK.

[CyberCubed]

The movie features a female lead who is a known feminist, a black woman, and a Pakistani woman as its 3 leads. Are they seriously wondering why this might bomb.

[Andrew NDB]

Its weird - I'd expect them to include relationship for more "MESSAGE" points.

But I guess, movie is a disaster and a half and they hope that by tuning down the "MESSAGE", they'd be able to pretend it is something better or at least bad, not due to the message...IDK.

Probably Feige stepped in, not wanting to do what would surely Lightyear the movie on a nuclear level.

[IMJ]

Probably Feige stepped in, not wanting to do what would surely Lightyear the movie on a nuclear level.

My guess is that Feige thought Brie was hot and wanted to tap it, so he kept telling people that "Captain Marvel is more powerful than an Infinity Stone!" to feed her ego so that he could feed her his.....


Ugh. Nevermind.

[Galactus]

Nahhhh leave it.... lleeeavvee iiitttttt....
Seriously they should have left that in - it would have helped the box office. Right? Hey where are the forum SJW loudmouths who swore up and down this was all a blistering success all these years? We need them to validate the Carol/Valkyrie relationship with a "shipped name".

You mean Marvel movies in general. I think on the whole they have been a blistering success including the ones you all deride as woke which apparently is most or everything from Phase 3 onwards which includes several billion dollar movies.

If it's simply The Marvels you're talking about I don't think anyone argued ever that this would be a huge success. Almost everyone acknowledges it would fall far short of the first movie's box office but would still do well enough. It still might. The source predicting it's low opening also predicted the Barbie movie would flop on it's opening weekend.

Also if you don't want to see Brie Larsen and Tessa Thompson kiss I don't know what to say.

[robertfiduciary]

Just read this whole thread. And decided to do a little thought experiment with my findings.

I chose one poster, this "AndrewNBD."

I counted how many times he's complained about the movie in this thread.

60 posts. In this thread alone. 60.

Six-zero.

Sixty posts.

Now, operating under the hypothesis that no one simply signs on to a message board, doesn't read anything, and just writes their post and goes, let's be conservative (which I'm sure y'all will like, nyuk nyuk), and say that "AndrewNBD" spends... let's go ahead and say ten minutes on this message board, each time he posts.

Okay? Ten minutes.

Now, go ahead and multiply that ten minutes by sixty posts.

You got it. 600 minutes. Online. Complaining about a movie that's not even out yet.

TEN HOURS. Complaining about a movie that's apparently 93 minutes.

You could have watched the movie almost six-and-a-half times in all the time you've taken to complain about it.

Wow!

Anyway, thanks for the laughs. See you all in 2024. When, you know.

You lose.

Again.

:lol:

[Autbot_Benz]

Also if you don't want to see Brie Larsen and Tessa Thompson kiss I don't know what to say.

I wouldn't mind seeing Tessa Thompson kiss another girl but Resting Bitch Face Larson is not the one I wanna see happen

[KROW]

Brie Larson is so bland. If anyone was the definition of, "white bread" it'd be her.

[Andrew NDB]

She literally won the Oscar for a role requiring her to act perpetually in shock, and show no emotions. The thing was, it turns out it wasn't acting.

[TheCanadiandrome]

Just read this whole thread. And decided to do a little thought experiment with my findings.

I chose one poster, this "AndrewNBD."

I counted how many times he's complained about the movie in this thread.

60 posts. In this thread alone. 60.

Six-zero.

Sixty posts.

Now, operating under the hypothesis that no one simply signs on to a message board, doesn't read anything, and just writes their post and goes, let's be conservative (which I'm sure y'all will like, nyuk nyuk), and say that "AndrewNBD" spends... let's go ahead and say ten minutes on this message board, each time he posts.

Okay? Ten minutes.

Now, go ahead and multiply that ten minutes by sixty posts.

You got it. 600 minutes. Online. Complaining about a movie that's not even out yet.

TEN HOURS. Complaining about a movie that's apparently 93 minutes.

You could have watched the movie almost six-and-a-half times in all the time you've taken to complain about it.

Wow!

Anyway, thanks for the laughs. See you all in 2024. When, you know.

You lose.

Again.

:lol:

But isn’t that the current thing to do? Constantly complain about something that hasn’t even hit theaters yet? Critics do it almost on a constant basis, difference is they’re paid for it. Everyone else just comes across as being bitter whiney-a$$ b@tches :lol::ohwell::roll:

[IMJ]

But isn’t that the current thing to do? Constantly complain about something that hasn’t even hit theaters yet? Critics do it almost on a constant basis, difference is they’re paid for it. Everyone else just comes across as being bitter whiney-a$$ b@tches :lol::ohwell::roll:

:lol:

It's actually a very simple Level 1 and level 2 situation, brother.

Discussing the ongoing aspects of entertainment is level 1 conversation - it's most authentic because people are discussing the thing at hand. And so, if that thing at hand follows trends and it's routinely discussed, then what is really happening is the trend is discussed, and done so naturally for as long as the trend persists.

However, the level 2 conversation ignores the realities of the thing at hand and instead is talk-about-talk, or meta-conversation - for example calling people winers or cryers for having the level 1 conversation at all. And so, the intellectual truth is level 2 conversation is actually whiny bitch behavior. It's less validated because it's complaint about the level 1 observers who are actually more closely tied to the truth than the level 2 complainer.

Because eventually the level 1 conversation will change to adapt to the new trends when they form, meanwhile the level 2 peasants will still rely on bitching about other people's observations about the situation.

The source predicting it's low opening also predicted the Barbie movie would flop on it's opening weekend.

Well, at some point we will see how this one does. Barbie's success was cool. It's not my thing, but at least the themes present in it were a match to the I.P. and intended "pinker" audience - which is fine.

[TheCanadiandrome]

Oh man I have a headache now after reading all that lol

[IMJ]

Oh man I have a headache now after reading all that lol

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
:P

[Autbot_Benz]

Rumor about the post credit scene is its might be Kelsey Grammar's Beast .

https://i.imgur.com/szH6g03.png

https://comicbookmovie.com/captain-marvel/the-marvels/the-marvels-rumored-to-feature-a-huge-post-credit-scene-cameo---possible-spoilers-a207420#gs.6uvwn6

https://i.imgur.com/chRh2F7.png

not using spoiler tags since nobody on this forum gives a **** about this movie

[Sumac]

From one ****** movie to another.

[Andrew NDB]

So basically a Deadpool 3 teaser? I hope this doesn't mean Captain Marvel shows up in it.

Also... lol...

https://i.ibb.co/YP3ySmN/Untitled-2.jpg

[Coola Yagami]

Ahhh there we go. Cap Marvel 1, watch it for a potential End Game post credit. Now watch the sequel for a potential Fox Xmen cameo.

[ZariusTwo]

According to the new tell-all Marvel Cinema book, Brie, Holland and Chadwick were set to be the new core leads of the MCU, but Boswin's death and Sony's legalities got in the way of that.

As for Brie, she was worn down by the critical online reactions, and turned down roles to expand her part in the films.

https://comicbookmovie.com/marvel-studios/are-these-the-characters-marvel-was-setting-up-to-replace-iron-man-thor-captain-america-as-mcus-trinity-a207222#gs.6wqxun

[IMJ]

Kevin Feige used to pump her role up so ridiculously much that the only explanation was that he was pumping her in real life.

"She is more powerful than an Infinity Stone". "The Face of Marvel going forward..." :roll: Yeah okay, Kev. Delivering presentations over nonsense as if he was a mover and shaker like Steve Jobs on a minimalist stage.

[Andrew NDB]

Kevin Feige used to pump her role up so ridiculously much that the only explanation was that he was pumping her in real life.

You might be onto something. And then if they broke up afterward, even more so.

[oldmanwinters]

Clever of the new TV ads to tie this in so closely with Endgame, even using old clips of Downey and Thanos.

Or is it desperation?

[IMJ]

Clever of the new TV ads to tie this in so closely with Endgame, even using old clips of Downey and Thanos.

Or is it desperation?

Absolute desperation. They are asking for "memberberries" that nobody has fond memories of with that character anyway.

And it's just as pathetic a sell as when they used Infinity War as an excuse to sell Captain Marvel tickets, except that this time even the bedazzled Marvel Movie pedestrian isn't going to be fooled. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice?

[Andrew NDB]

"She was in Endgame? Oh yeah! Huh." <== probably the reaction from general audiences upon seeing the TV spots, of which the Endgame material is like half of the spot. Which is really the best they can hope for.

And was she even really an Avenger? Sure, she showed up to help but I thought that was about it.

[Autbot_Benz]

Clever of the new TV ads to tie this in so closely with Endgame, even using old clips of Downey and Thanos.

Or is it desperation?

yup 8 second of Endgame in this new teaser

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[Autbot_Benz]

https://comicbookmovie.com/captain-marvel/the-marvels/the-marvels-could-be-shaping-up-to-be-an-epic-box-office-bomb-for-marvel-studios-a207520#gs.7mg5y5

THE MARVELS Could Be Shaping Up To Be An "Epic" Box Office Bomb For Marvel Studios

Recent box office tracking for The Marvels pointed to a disappointing opening weekend for the Nia DaCosta-helmed Captain Marvel sequel, but the latest updates indicate that the cosmic MCU adventure could perform significantly worse than expected.

Some analysts believe that $55M - $75M domestic debut will actually be closer to $45M, and The Marvels' tickets pre-sales have reportedly been the weakest for any Marvel Cinematic Universe movie in the post-Covid era, which suggests an overall lack of interest from potential cinema-goers.

This doesn't necessarily spell disaster for the film, as major studio tentpoles often do a lot better than predicted, and positive reviews should also help (we'll find out what the critical consensus is this week). But as things stand, The Marvels could be shaping up to be one of Marvel Studios' biggest box office bombs.


https://i.imgur.com/OeiTaVA.png

https://comicbookmovie.com/captain-marvel/the-marvels/the-marvels-could-be-shaping-up-to-be-an-epic-box-office-bomb-for-marvel-studios-a207520#gs.7mg5y5

[Andrew NDB]

The "final trailer," with even MORE "Remember Endgame?" stuff:

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Desperation city.

[Autbot_Benz]

The "final trailer," with even MORE "Remember Endgame?" stuff:

uwmDH12MAA4

Desperation city.

not to mention using the Avengers theme at the end of the trailer. Bad movie you don't get the right to use the Avengers theme.

[oldmanwinters]

On a scale of 1 to 10, how pandering is the “Black Girl Magic” line for a trailer final line?

[Coola Yagami]

On a scale of 1 to 10, how pandering is the “Black Girl Magic” line for a trailer final line?

I'd say that's an 11.5

[Autbot_Benz]

Also there are rumors Kate Bishop is showing up in this movie too

[TheCanadiandrome]

I might go see this Saturday as I’ve got nothing better to do this weekend

[IMJ]

At this point my only hope for this movie is that the blatantly and overtly state that the bands on Kamala's wrists are "nega bands" and that they blatantly and overtly state that the "nega bands are Kree copies of another, more powerful set called the Quantum Bands" therefore removing all f'n association between them and this franchise on film.

[Andrew NDB]

At 1:45 in that trailer... is that supposed to be Storm? Black skin, female, white outfit...

[Andrew NDB]

no that's Photon's outfit

It's not, she has a cape. Plus Photon is IN the background as whoever this is walks past her. And it's after Fury says, "They're here." Who's here?

https://www.dexerto.com/tv-movies/is-storm-in-the-marvels-x-men-tease-trailer-explained-2371832/

I'd be way more excited if it was Rogue, ready to take Carol's flight powers from her.

[Autbot_Benz]

It's not, she has a cape. Plus Photon is IN the background as whoever this is walks past her. And it's after Fury says, "They're here." Who's here?

https://www.dexerto.com/tv-movies/is-storm-in-the-marvels-x-men-tease-trailer-explained-2371832/

I'd be way more excited if it was Rogue, ready to take Carol's flight powers from her.

At 1:45 in that trailer... is that supposed to be Storm? Black skin, female, white outfit...

allegedly its a maria rambeau Binary variant

https://i.imgur.com/5IYhX3F.jpg

[neatoman]

allegedly its a maria rambeau Binary variant

https://i.imgur.com/5IYhX3F.jpg

Something seems missing from that costume...
https://www.writeups.org/wp-content/uploads/Binary-Marvel-Comics-Carol-Danvers-Ms-Marvel-big.jpg

[Andrew NDB]

allegedly its a maria rambeau Binary variant

https://i.imgur.com/5IYhX3F.jpg

Well that's not very exciting at all. The trailer hints at it being like a huge thing. But yeah, maybe it's like "It's them! It's the variants!" And it's her and like the Fox-Men or something.

[Autbot_Benz]

The premiere was tonight two of the movie reviewers I follow had this to say

https://i.imgur.com/X5n4DyX.png

https://i.imgur.com/dr5arIt.png

[ZariusTwo]

Post credit scenes

Monica is trapped in the X-Men universe with Binary and Hank McCoy (Kelsey Grammer), who is running tests on her.

Second post-credits is Kamala tracking down Kate Bishop

[Sumac]

So as expected - sloppy story and mediocre everything else.

[Zulithe]

But all those toxic MEN! We want to hear what a woman thinks of this movie!

Okay, here ya go

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Is this what black girl magic feels like?

[oldmanwinters]

Marvel is bracing for impact as The Marvels is shaping up to be one of the MCU’s biggest box office bombs, really no matter what the quality of the film ends up being. It’s the wrong film at the wrong time for the MCU, and early pre-sales have it tracking below DC’s disastrous The Flash.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2023/11/07/the-final-the-marvels-trailer-is-transparently-desperate/?sh=1239da815ded&fbclid=IwAR23-3mY5c-0yLgc91_t2BpN7rOy9HhU57x8dD5jfqlc_5I-a-AUS9u03Hc

[Autbot_Benz]

Beast looks just like he did in the 90's X-men Cartoon and it's fantastic

[oldmanwinters]

Beast looks just like he did in the 90's X-men Cartoon and it's fantastic

Spoiler warning would have been appreciated....

Assuming I actually do go to see this thing.


Post credit scenes

Monica is trapped in the X-Men universe with Binary and Hank McCoy (Kelsey Grammer), who is running tests on her.

Second post-credits is Kamala tracking down Kate Bishop

I give it one week before they start using that in the TV ads, much like how Shazam 2 couldn't resist plugging their Woman Woman cameo.

[Autbot_Benz]

Spoiler warning would have been appreciated....

Assuming I actually do go to see this thing.



save your money for an actual good movie.

[Autbot_Benz]

54% on Rotten Tomatoes as of right now

[CyberCubed]

Hopefully this comes to Disney+ quick as it's likely going to bomb. That way I can watch it for free once the illegal streaming sites get it within an hour of it going up.

[neatoman]

Alright I've seen the movie and it's bad. Putting aside the post-credits spoiler and the obvious reliance on the WandaVision and Ms Marvel shows to understand who some of the characters are, I might as well point out a few questionable things here:

We find out that Carol killed the Supreme Intelligence around the time the first one ended, which lead to Hala's sun failing (somehow), forcing the Kree to steal resources to survive (yes, Carol is literally singlehandedly responsible for a slow mass extinction event that has been going on for thirty years).
Tarnax is destroyed and the Marvels only manage to save people in a small city, so I'm guessing the Skrulls are ****ed even more now.
The song planet is also being destroyed and the Marvels are forced to leave it to fend for itself and it is never brought up again, meaning it might be destroyed as well.
In the end it turns out Carol's regular powers could fix Hala's sun and doing so seemingly didn't cost her anything, she didn't die, get crippled, lose her powers or even get weakened by it. Meaning she probably could have fixed the sun thirty years ago... But didn't... So the Kree didn't have to face extinction... For thirty years...


This movie is not good but I really didn't think they could get even more tone deaf about how to depict a hero than in the previous one.

Edit: Also, I have to admit that I haven't watched Ms. Marvel or Secret Invasion but is it in any way explained how a significant enough portion of earthlings knows and cares enough about Carol for a fangirl like Kamala to have her room decked out with merch of her?... Even there being fans of her? Because this movie really does seem like it is written as if Carol's only appearances on earth since 1989 were the events of Captain Marvel and Endgame, it really does seem like she only spent a total of two weeks (at most) on earth for the past 35 years or so.

[Andrew NDB]

To be fair, I can see how how Captain Marvel single-handedly taking down Thanos' ship in Endgame might etch her a bit into the public sphere. For a while.

What are the bad "two swings" both those reviews talk about?

[IMJ]

Well they did it. They official canonized those things on Kamala Khan's wrists as the "Quantum Bands" on film.

[oldmanwinters]

The weekend returns are in, and it looks like a rude awakening for Disney and the MCU.

[Andrew NDB]

I just read that in the movie, the bad guy sucks the atmosphere/air from one world and puts it on another world? Like the maid from Spaceballs? Also, there's no males in the movie except Sam Jackson and the feminine Korean popstar dude?

[neatoman]

I just read that in the movie, the bad guy sucks the atmosphere/air from one world and puts it on another world? Like the maid from Spaceballs? Also, there's no males in the movie except Sam Jackson and the feminine Korean popstar dude?

Yes, that is correct and it somehow doesn't have any negative effect on the planet it is being sent to, only the planet getting sucked. They do the same thing to the ocean of another planet. Also, Earth's sun is briefly dimmed.

The funny thing is that we don't see either the planet losing the atmosphere or the one losing the ocean get repaired in any way, so it is a totally valid assumption everyone living there either died or are still suffering by the end of the movie.

Edit: The thing about the male characters is wrong though. Kamala's dad and brother are in the movie as at least two other named male characters and there is this one (alien?) member of S.A.B.E.R. who get some stuff to do, not to mention some male Kree mooks and what not. Oh and I guess it's a spoiler but I know everyone knew it already, Beast is a dude. It is however true that no male character actually drive the plot forward, the closest you get is Nick Fury giving two orders and the alien prince is far less active than you might think. In fact, he's weirdly treated like he's disposable, despite being established as Carol's husband he's never seen or talked about after they leave his planet, the one we can assume is dying because it lost the ocean...

[TheCanadiandrome]

So is the general consensus to not bother watching this movie then? Good, because I tend to not listen to the general consensus, as I’ve said before, and tend to make up my own mind about liking or disliking a movie

[IMJ]

I am as gutted and empty inside about the Quantum Bands in this movie as I was about the ultimate use of the Mandarin in the MCU. Literally the two other things I'd hope to have seen as a "superfan" of Iron Man and Quasar.

[Andrew NDB]

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[Jeff]

I've always lauded the MCU for being essentially a TV show, each episode a movie that can stand on its own but connects to the series as a whole. With that, comes the ultimate filler episode. The Marvels was the most skippable MCU movie. Not a bad movie, but not good either. The fun the movie did bring is at best forgettable, and at worst also forgettable. This is the ultimate example of "if you've seen the trailer, you've seen the movie" I've ever seen. It's a shame because this should have and easily could have been a homerun, instead its a farm team training in off season.

[Andrew NDB]

In fact, he's weirdly treated like he's disposable, despite being established as Carol's husband

Wait, what? Is this true?

[IMJ]

Wait, what? Is this true?

It's revealed that Danvers accidentally married a Prince on a world that sings all the time. So they stop by there and get new costumes and leave.

[Andrew NDB]

Ms. Marvel actress says the fandom needs "improvement."

https://cosmicbook.news/iman-vellani-wants-marvel-fandom-to-improve?fbclid=IwAR3gdiNUBoMQexi6vg9hhx-ulZMmDk3akITUMDLuEKtIxx9yCp1uJqPOgWU

[Sumac]

Its not that bad, she just wants "fandom to be more positive".

The problem is she basically asks to "consoom, don't think", when in fact it is a toxic mentality for the franchise and products, even more so, than "doomposting". Since "doomposting" can be negated by an actual quality of product, but low quality product won't inspire confidence, no matter how much you ask people to mindlessly chew on your garbage.

You basically asks to "eat our trash, even if its bad". That's not a good attitude.

[MikeandRaph87]

Has there ever been a movie in which had a drop this significant between movies in a film series? What would the closest be? I am just curious.

[Sumac]

I am sure there would be examples in long-running franchises, but I don't think any of them are so high profile as Marvel's.

[oldmanwinters]

Has there ever been a movie in which had a drop this significant between movies in a film series? What would the closest be? I am just curious.

You mean the MCU overall or specifically Captain Marvel vs The Marvels?

Some notable Sequel Bombs:
https://screenrant.com/movie-sequels-bombed-box-office-bad/#return-to-oz-1985

[Andrew NDB]

A curiosity question: had this movie come out just as "Captain Marvel 2" without the team aspect, would it have done better or even worse?

Also, there is a growing attempt on social media to retroactively paint The Marvels as a success. This is being shared around a lot:

https://i.ibb.co/ygsPXfp/marv.jpg

And if you go into the comments, there's SJWs saying stuff like, "HAH, I knew it! I thought all the 40 year old men were telling us it was a flop!"

[Sumac]

And if you go into the comments, there's SJWs saying stuff like, "HAH, I knew it! I thought all the 40 year old men were telling us it was a flop!"
This is the same type of braindamaged hamsters which try to paint The Last Jedi as a masterpiece and a success. Pay them no mind, as box-office is a much better metric of the quality and this is what will be used by corporates to measure of success of the movie, not screams of shills and zealots.

And from what I've seen it is too late to fix reputation of the Marvels - even neutral or generally ambivalent critics paint this movie as a failure, so its all over for it.

[MikeandRaph87]

You mean the MCU overall or specifically Captain Marvel vs The Marvels?

Some notable Sequel Bombs:
https://screenrant.com/movie-sequels-bombed-box-office-bad/#return-to-oz-1985

What I meant was Captain Marvel one grossed 1.1 billion. It's sequel bombed with let's say 400 million. That is protectively a a 700 million drop. I was wondering if percentage wise in overall gross if there was ever such a drop between films. Typically quality of sequels are less but profit is more. I guess it truly benefited from people being gullible enough to buy into it being a must-see between Avengers 3 and 4 when it all actuality it was not at all which artificially inflated it's numbers (by a few hundred million?). Here it is suffering for being woke. Too bad it cannot just be a normal film and not promoted as a must-see misdirection or woke trash.

[robertfiduciary]

Curious how you... "men" feel about what Stephen King said about "men" who are so happy about the movie flopping.

I mean, Stephen King!

Versus... well, you.

[Coola Yagami]

Curious how you... "men" feel about what Stephen King said about "men" who are so happy about the movie flopping.

I mean, Stephen King!

Versus... well, you.

I don't think anyone was like legit happy. It wasn't like we were hoping for it to bomb, we already knew once the trailer came out. Possibly before that.

Like, every since they decided to change Captain Marvel II into The Marvels, it already showed they had zero faith in a legit sequel.

The original made a billion, yet they were so sure a direct sequel would bomb so they decided to throw everything they could at it and hoped it would save it.


I think part of the problem is, they have to stop making movies that don't matter. No one cared or asked for the Eternals, Shang Chi or The Marvels. Keep No Way Home and Dr. Strange, mostly cause Strange was a follow-up/expansion of the concepts introduced earlier. Use another movie that's not Ant Man to set up Kang. I'd say keep Guardians 3 to wrap up the Gamora plot. Then the moment the ink dried on the deal with Sony, start building up the X-Men and Fantastic Four. Maybe make say... a Storm movie or have one of the X-Men proper show up in Black Panther 2 (recast Chatwin. If they couldn't then, give it a year so people can get over it, but recast). Just.... set up Kang, the X-Men and the Fantastic Four. Hell, have Kang turn out to be a pawn for Doctor Doom and set up Secret Wars. Perfect excuse to lump in every Marvel character they have the rights to in a movie with Doom getting the Beyonder's powers.

But bottom line, stop with the unnecessary filler movies. Every movie from Iron Man to End Game introduced characters or concepts that would be further explored til we got to End Game. Even unknowns like the Guardians and c-listers like Ant-Man still ended up mattering in the long run. Even Iron Man 3 introduced Tony's paranoia and panic attacks which all led up to his greatest fear come to life... a being like Thanos coming into our world. Everything mattered.

[Andrew NDB]

But we are happy. It's a movie made by people who hate us that failed, as it was always going to.

[robertfiduciary]

Wow.

What's the dumbest thing I've ever had the displeasure of reading online? Oh, look. It's this:

But we are happy. It's a movie made by people who hate us that failed, as it was always going to.

I'm feeling curious, though. So I'll play your game.

Who, exactly, are the people who "hate" you? And perhaps more importantly, are they in the room with you right now?

Also, I'm sure you saw the numbers I ran on you, earlier in this thread. You have spent OVER SIX TIMES longer than the movie actually is, just sitting in this thread and complaining about it. So, I'm curious.

Who are you watching? What YouTuber is feeding you the information you seem to take as gospel? Is it closeted (for real: he's even gayer than I am) Ben Shapiro? Is it Tucker Carlson? Is it some generic YouTube grifter that you're apparently too thick to realize that the only reason they're saying what they're saying is because their outrage earns your eyeballs, which they then turn into ad dollars?

Is that it?

I mean... it's like a riddle. How can anyone be so... I'll be polite and say, "misguided"... as to think that millionaire moviemakers who don't even know we exist actually give two s*its about any of us?

I don't get it. It's funny, to me, kind of. But really. I just don't get it.

One more completely unasked for bit of advice from me, AndrewNBD (does the "NBD" stand for "No Big Deal?" PLEASE SAY IT DOES, ANDREWNBD. Only because that would be the funniest thing in the world to me. That the guy who whines about what random actors say when they're on their movie press tours and are trying to generate press for their movie (aka "doing their jobs") has NO BIG DEAL as part of his screen name).

YOU are not "social media." You said that some pic is "being shared around a lot." Um... no. It's not.

I've never seen it. And I'm on social media.

I just asked Todd. He had never seen it either (and a big part of his job is in social media. So he knows quite a bit more than me).

No one's seen it. No one in this thread had seen it before you posted it.

So when you use vagaries like "a lot of people," it weakens your argument. It makes you sound dishonest (which in this case, you are).

Next time, try a more personal tone. Maybe try, "Looks like they're trying to spin this movie that I haven't seen (but have some strong opinions about, because the man on YouTube told me to) into a success from what looks like pretty dismal financials. Take a look at this thing that showed up in my feed one time. But oh, wow! It looks like people have shared it FOUR times."

Or, you know. Whatever.

"Look at this thing I just saw online. I think it's wrong. Do you think it's wrong? I need validation!" I'm more likely to believe that level of honesty, then whatever you're constantly trying to sell.

[Coola Yagami]

Wow.

What's the dumbest thing I've ever had the displeasure of reading online? Oh, look. It's this:



I'm feeling curious, though. So I'll play your game.

Who, exactly, are the people who "hate" you? And perhaps more importantly, are they in the room with you right now?

Also, I'm sure you saw the numbers I ran on you, earlier in this thread. You have spent OVER SIX TIMES longer than the movie actually is, just sitting in this thread and complaining about it. So, I'm curious.

Who are you watching? What YouTuber is feeding you the information you seem to take as gospel? Is it closeted (for real: he's even gayer than I am) Ben Shapiro? Is it Tucker Carlson? Is it some generic YouTube grifter that you're apparently too thick to realize that the only reason they're saying what they're saying is because their outrage earns your eyeballs, which they then turn into ad dollars?

Is that it?

I mean... it's like a riddle. How can anyone be so... I'll be polite and say, "misguided"... as to think that millionaire moviemakers who don't even know we exist actually give two s*its about any of us?

I don't get it. It's funny, to me, kind of. But really. I just don't get it.

One more completely unasked for bit of advice from me, AndrewNBD (does the "NBD" stand for "No Big Deal?" PLEASE SAY IT DOES, ANDREWNBD. Only because that would be the funniest thing in the world to me. That the guy who whines about what random actors say when they're on their movie press tours and are trying to generate press for their movie (aka "doing their jobs") has NO BIG DEAL as part of his screen name).

YOU are not "social media." You said that some pic is "being shared around a lot." Um... no. It's not.

I've never seen it. And I'm on social media.

I just asked Todd. He had never seen it either (and a big part of his job is in social media. So he knows quite a bit more than me).

No one's seen it. No one in this thread had seen it before you posted it.

So when you use vagaries like "a lot of people," it weakens your argument. It makes you sound dishonest (which in this case, you are).

Next time, try a more personal tone. Maybe try, "Looks like they're trying to spin this movie that I haven't seen (but have some strong opinions about, because the man on YouTube told me to) into a success from what looks like pretty dismal financials. Take a look at this thing that showed up in my feed one time. But oh, wow! It looks like people have shared it FOUR times."

Or, you know. Whatever.

"Look at this thing I just saw online. I think it's wrong. Do you think it's wrong? I need validation!" I'm more likely to believe that level of honesty, then whatever you're constantly trying to sell.

I mean despite what Andrew thinks or says, or if you want to play that game, what some youtuber or grifter told him to think, the fact remains that the movie bombed.

Regardless the reason, it was another failure and they haven't even broken even yet. Maybe in streaming/home sales?

[Cowabung-Gal]

Curious how you... "men" feel about what Stephen King said about "men" who are so happy about the movie flopping.

I mean, Stephen King!

Versus... well, you.

Here’s a better question: Who cares what that old powder-snorter thinks? Seriously, who does?



Who, exactly, are the people who "hate" you? And perhaps more importantly, are they in the room with you right now?


Who are they? The snobbish privileged elite actors/writers who think they know what’s best for everyone, and that’s why they hate people who dare question their judgement and speak up. And they’re not in the room; they’re high up in their ivory towers looking down at us like the insignificant bugs they think we are.


I mean... it's like a riddle. How can anyone be so... I'll be polite and say, "misguided"... as to think that millionaire moviemakers who don't even know we exist actually give two s*its about any of us

Well, despite their very low opinions about us “peasants”, they do need our money. And movies that get positive word-of-mouth are the ones that make the most money.

And what they don’t get is that insulting us and calling us “bigots” doesn’t exactly convince us to watch their garbage. They’re so entitled that they think they can do no wrong, and when someone does point out the flaws in their work, they don’t gracefully take the criticism and try to do better in the future; they screech, throw a tantrum, and play the victim card.

They are so desperate to make more money that they pay “official” movie critic websites like Rotten Tomatoes to fabricate more positive reviews in an effort to deceive the public into thinking that their movies are so good. Problem is, people have wisen up in the last decade (most of them anyway) and they now know that Hollywoke is nothing but a big joke, which is why less and less people are watching the Oscars; you might as well watch a sermon by a TV preacher instead. It’s not about entertaining us anymore; it’s about opening our eyes to all the social injustice and making us feel like dirt for not trying to change the world for the better.

[Sumac]

Curious how you... "men" feel about what Stephen King said about "men" who are so happy about the movie flopping.

I mean, Stephen King!

Versus... well, you.
Stephen King is braindamaged with TDS.
Besides, I don't give a **** what "celebrity" who wrote book about 9 year olds ****ing each other, thinks.

Even if his opinion was without retarded biases, it is still dumb: people are celebrating failure of this crap, not, because, "women, yuck", but, because, it is another Marvel dumb chewing gum, manufactured with the lowest common denominator in mind, when it comes to the story and characters.

Its failure is a win for everyone: most of all people who want GOOD entertaining movies and not a corporate rotten formulaic slop.

But I am sure, people like you, already had "figured it out" in your brain that "everyone who hate this movie are incels and Nazis", because, of course, EVERYONE should LOVE this movie. If someone is not in lockstep with your values, they are an enemy. Simple as that.
After that tell me how is your ideology is different from fascism you like to invoke so much...or why your ideology is falling with common people.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Besides, I don't give a **** what "celebrity" who wrote book about 9 year olds ****ing each other, thinks.

Right? Like I said, he’s a creepy old powder-snorter.

[Sumac]

What's the dumbest thing I've ever had the displeasure of reading online?
By all possible margins it should be your own posts.

Who, exactly, are the people who "hate" you? And perhaps more importantly, are they in the room with you right now?
Is Trump in the same room as you are? Are those "bigots" in the same room as you are? If not, why are you so aghast about them?

After all, you claim Trump and his cronies ruining life of some people (which people?), but you fail to produce evidence they do, so...

Who are you watching?
I love when NPCs like you assume everyone who disagree with you could not do it without some external agent involved.
It is almost like you arrogantly think you are smarter than everyone (which is a mistake) and, of course, no-one can come to OTHER conclusions than you are. Or maybe it is a projection of a manchild, who's opinions forcefed to him by corporations.

[Andrew NDB]

78% drop in weekend #2.

https://www.darkhorizons.com/marvels-box-office-drop-breaks-record/

[oldmanwinters]

Has there ever been a movie in which had a drop this significant between movies in a film series? What would the closest be? I am just curious.

78% drop in weekend #2.

https://www.darkhorizons.com/marvels-box-office-drop-breaks-record/

Historically, I suppose this film is something of a marvel, in that regard.

[Sumac]

Ouch.
I am interested in the Disney's reaction or a lack of thereof.

[oldmanwinters]

Rumors of a cut lesbian reference/subplot for a couple of MCU mains:
https://comicbookmovie.com/captain-marvel/the-marvels/the-marvels-reportedly-cut-a-scene-confirming-carol-danvers-and-valkyrie-were-in-a-relationship-a207917

[IMJ]

Rumors of a cut lesbian reference/subplot for a couple of MCU mains:
https://comicbookmovie.com/captain-marvel/the-marvels/the-marvels-reportedly-cut-a-scene-confirming-carol-danvers-and-valkyrie-were-in-a-relationship-a207917

Maybe they can use it their upcoming Fantastic Failure.... errr... I mean Fantastic Four.

[Andrew NDB]

Ouch.
I am interested in the Disney's reaction or a lack of thereof.

For sure, no Captain Marvel 3/The Marvels 2. But what will be interesting is... will Marvel soldier forward with the Young Avengers it seems to allude to at the end, with Kamala Khan and Kate Bishop as founding members? Probably not, right? I'd expect the next time we see these characters will just be sprinkled into the background of some Avengers-level movie.

[Sumac]

Rumors of a cut lesbian reference/subplot for a couple of MCU mains:
https://comicbookmovie.com/captain-marvel/the-marvels/the-marvels-reportedly-cut-a-scene-confirming-carol-danvers-and-valkyrie-were-in-a-relationship-a207917
As if it would have helped.

[oldmanwinters]

For sure, no Captain Marvel 3/The Marvels 2. But what will be interesting is... will Marvel soldier forward with the Young Avengers it seems to allude to at the end, with Kamala Khan and Kate Bishop as founding members? Probably not, right? I'd expect the next time we see these characters will just be sprinkled into the background of some Avengers-level movie.

Definitely sounds like another Disney+ show!

[Autbot_Benz]

https://i.imgur.com/pSlqKF8.png

[IMJ]

Young Avengers could be fine as a Disney Plus show and not a blockbuster flick.

[CyberCubed]

The MCU is really dead in the water. They are probably hoping Fantastic Four is a huge hit but that's still 2 years away and after the awful Fox movies I don't think casuals will get that excited for it.

[Andrew NDB]

The MCU is really dead in the water. They are probably hoping Fantastic Four is a huge hit but that's still 2 years away and after the awful Fox movies I don't think casuals will get that excited for it.

Yeah, they seem to be counting on people being super excited to see the Fox-Men in the MCU but I don't think it's going to work.

[Sumac]

Yeah, I am not sure what exactly they hope for - it doesn't even matter, if next MCU movie is good or not: you need to keep property "warm" to keep people engaged. With only Deadpool 3 next year, MCU will be out of people minds and it will be next to impossible to catch the momentum from first three phases.

By this point Disney would need to build hype around MCU from scratch and I don't think they will be able to do it, since other franchises might rise by this point. Especially, if quality of their movies continues to be abysmal.

In general, they should have used X-Men as soon as got their hands on them. But I guess, they were banking n success on Phases 4 and 5, which didn't happen, so now they have comatose franchise and a lot of promises, which they unlikely to fulfill.
Good job Feige - you were the chosen one!!

[IMJ]

I for one, am completely fine with letting the disaster unfold to epic proportions. Because then maybe a lot of Hollywood wokesters and loud mouths will be flushed out and they get back to making good superhero movies.

At this point I am totally down for something obscure again - like Constantine 2 starring John Wick.

[neatoman]

So is the failure of this movie going to be the final kick in the balls after 11 years for Marvel to realise the literal seventh Captain Marvel wasn't any more successful than Mar-Vell, Monica, Genis-Vell, Phyla-Vell, Khn'nr or Noh-Varr?

If that's the case, wonder who'll they try next? Superficially, Kamala may seem like the most obvious choice but then again, she is part of this turd and that's most likely what she'll be associated with. I think Teddy seems like the most obvious choice to Marvel, he is another one of Mar-Vell's kids, and him being gay is something editors seem to love as well as some actual story telling potential beyond that. I guess Rick is also a good candidate, history with Mar-Vell and he's a fairly experimental character, not to mention him straight up being CM in Ultimate. I think Rogue might work as well, ironic destiny, possible Kree connections through Mystique and an actual popular character. Speaking of the X-Men, I think Jean is also a character they might want to try giving it a go, for no other reason than her original superhero name being "Marvel Girl". For similar reasons, maybe also Robert Grayson just because he was named "Marvel Boy" and is a Lee creation. Then of course we have Karla who pretended to Carol several times. Then of course we have Quasar, who is in universe meant to be some kind of replacement.

Eh, let's just list them and take a vote:

Kamala Khan
Teddy Altman
Rick Jones
Rogue
Jean Grey
Robert Grayson
Karla Sofen
Quasar

[Andrew NDB]

If that's the case, wonder who'll they try next? Superficially, Kamala may seem like the most obvious choice

No, no chance. She has the distinction of not only being the star of the lowest watched Disney+ show, but now also being one of the three leads in the lowest grossing MCU movie as the same character.

[Sumac]

I feel like, if MCU is to go forward, they would trim the fat, so to speak, i.e. remove unpopular characters and laser focus on those who are really popular with a crowd (if they have any), like they did in the Phases 1-3.

So Captain Marvel will be removed, limited only to cameo appearances and the like.

[sdp]

The MCU will never be what it used to, casuals were going to move on after End Game, add lackluster movies and it only accelerated the end result. But even the best movies were not going to save the MCU. Going forward, Disney is going to be extremely careful with quality, who knows how they'll succeed but outside of big name heroes or events most superhero movies are not going to be huge successes which will mean less movies. Enjoy your spidey/avengers/GotG movie every other year like in the early 2000s. There'll always be interest for a cape movie by casuals but not the level of hype and investment that the MCU had in the 2010s.
Hollywood will move on and likely it'll be video game movies.

[CyberCubed]

Apparently Shang Chi 2 is still happening, does anyone even have an interest?

[IMJ]

Apparently Shang Chi 2 is still happening, does anyone even have an interest?

Never even saw the first one. Was absolutely disgusted by the entire Mandarin thing as an Iron Man fan.

[Sumac]

Not me - they shat all over the ending of the first movie, so no confidence in the second one.

[Andrew NDB]

I had interest in finally seeing the real Mandarin. Then when they screwed that up I was done.

[Xav]

Not me - they shat all over the ending of the first movie, so no confidence in the second one.In what way did they shat on the ending?
I had interest in finally seeing the real Mandarin. Then when they screwed that up I was done.

What didn't you like about the real Mandarin?

[neatoman]

What didn't you like about the real Mandarin?

Can't speak for him obviously, but there are a bunch of weird things going on there. Him being combined with Shang-Chi's dad, the rings being bangles that just shoot energy beams and his motive being to get his wife back means he's not really a more faithfully adapted character than either of the characters who claimed to be the Mandarin in IM3. A more dignified character but still not faithfully depicted.

[Sumac]

In what way did they shat on the ending?
Swapped one of the best MCU villains with CGI trash monster.

[Autbot_Benz]

Glad that Kelsey Grammar really enjoys playing Beast and hopes to do more. Hopes he shows up in Deadpool 3 and Secret Wars

"It is my hope that you will [see him again]," the actor teased. "I can say with a certain amount of confidence that you will. I would love to."

After first playing Henry "Hank" McCoy in X-Men: The Last Stand, the actor would later reprise the role in X-Men: Days of Future Past. However, some VFX wizardry has created a Beast who looks like he's stepped straight out of the comics...or X-Men: The Animated Series!

Grammer went on to say he's been "very pleased" with the response to his appearance in The Marvels and revealed that "a lot of people got in touch" with him after they saw it.

"I’ve always wanted to play him again," the Frasier star adds. "I see him as an extraordinary character, a real character of gravitas and importance in our culture. I’m delighted Beast is back and hope he’s back in a real way."

https://comicbookmovie.com/captain-marvel/the-marvels/the-marvels-spoiler-breaks-silence-on-exciting-mid-credits-mcu-debut-confirms-hell-make-more-appearances-a207976#gs.0r74oq

[Andrew NDB]

I still feel like the plan is (or hopefully, was until Marvels flopped) trot out as many Fox-Men as they can in "the Multiverse Saga" so that when we finally do meet the "real" MCU X-Men and they're revealed, we won't be as pissed that everyone is suddenly race and gender-swapped and gay. Because they can say, "but, you can still have your old beloved X-Men, too, the Fox-Men. They're right over here in universe #28382, and maybe we'll see them more once in a while."

But I don't WANT those X-Men. Those X-Men SUCK. And if the idea is parading them around is supposed to placate me or anybody else when the real deal arrives, that's bullsh** and won't work.

[Coola Yagami]

I had interest in finally seeing the real Mandarin. Then when they screwed that up I was done.

I lost interest the moment they decided to finally get around to him after Tony Stark died.

That's like having an entire Batman movie trilogy (as well as him appearing in 3-4 JL movies and cameos in other movies) without not even a single mention of the Joker...... and then Batman dies for good and Joker finally appears in a Green Arrow movie.

[Andrew NDB]

That's like having an entire Batman movie trilogy (as well as him appearing in 3-4 JL movies and cameos in other movies) without not even a single mention of the Joker...... and then Batman dies for good and Joker finally appears in a Green Arrow movie.

And it doesn't even work. I don't buy for a moment that the Mandarin from Shang-Chi is the same guy in charge of the Ten Rings terrorists holding Tony hostage in Iron Man 1. He's not even that kind of character.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

I still feel like the plan is (or hopefully, was until Marvels flopped) trot out as many Fox-Men as they can in "the Multiverse Saga" so that when we finally do meet the "real" MCU X-Men and they're revealed, we won't be as pissed that everyone is suddenly race and gender-swapped and gay. Because they can say, "but, you can still have your old beloved X-Men, too, the Fox-Men. They're right over here in universe #28382, and maybe we'll see them more once in a while."

But I don't WANT those X-Men. Those X-Men SUCK. And if the idea is parading them around is supposed to placate me or anybody else when the real deal arrives, that's bullsh** and won't work.

Honestly, I don't think we're ever going to get the 'real' X-Men. Marvel studios is past the point of being comic book accurate,and the MCU X-Men will be as far removed from the pre-2010s X-Men comics as the Fox men were, if they don't simply scrap the idea of an mcu X-Men team altogether, and just use the fox men via multiverse. Don't think they would do that? Tell that to all of the other changes they have made. I remember everyone telling me 'duh MCU will be more faithful to Duh comix!' yeah, more faithful my @#$!

[Warhorse]

The MCU is really dead in the water. They are probably hoping Fantastic Four is a huge hit but that's still 2 years away and after the awful Fox movies I don't think casuals will get that excited for it.

As a casual comic book fan, I never really cared for the Fantastic Four premise. The characters are uninteresting (could be the writing and casting though in the previous movies) and the overall plot is just not interesting either.

I also think the MCU isn't that great in the grand scheme of things. The first Iron-Man movie was pretty good, but the other two were terrible. Incredible Hulk was boring, Thor was okay but I thought the sequels sucked. Captain America is about the only one that has been pretty solid but I still think the villain in the third was weak. Guardians of the Galaxy was fun the first time around, but I thought the next two were kinda blah. The first Avengers was fun, the second sucked, the third was great but the forth just didn't do it for me. And that was the last time I watched an MCU in the theater except for maybe the Spider-Man movies.

[Sumac]

As a casual comic book fan, I never really cared for the Fantastic Four premise. The characters are uninteresting (could be the writing and casting though in the previous movies) and the overall plot is just not interesting either.
Fantastic Four is certainly a product of its era.
I too consider them to be boring. Even though they have one of the best comic book villains as an antagonist.

I also think the MCU isn't that great in the grand scheme of things. The first Iron-Man movie was pretty good, but the other two were terrible. Incredible Hulk was boring, Thor was okay but I thought the sequels sucked. Captain America is about the only one that has been pretty solid but I still think the villain in the third was weak. Guardians of the Galaxy was fun the first time around, but I thought the next two were kinda blah. The first Avengers was fun, the second sucked, the third was great but the forth just didn't do it for me. And that was the last time I watched an MCU in the theater except for maybe the Spider-Man movies.
I largely agree. I appreciate MCU (pre-phase four) more like a sum of its parts, rather than standalone projects. A lot of which, even from the first three phases were not so great.

[Warhorse]

Fantastic Four is certainly a product of its era.
I too consider them to be boring. Even though they have one of the best comic book villains as an antagonist.


I largely agree. I appreciate MCU (pre-phase four) more like a sum of its parts, rather than standalone projects. A lot of which, even from the first three phases were not so great.

Only thing I am mildly interested in is the X-Men, and I wonder if they will do Rogue justice.

[Sumac]

Only thing I am mildly interested in is the X-Men, and I wonder if they will do Rogue justice.
As in will they make her a sexy confident bombshell southern belle? No, hell, naw. Not in this day and age. Best you can hope she won't be a butch bitch with a side cut or plain boring generic female, like 99% of female action characters this days.

[Andrew NDB]

Movie continues to plummet. But it is only because of "superhero fatigue" and "changing consumer habits," of course.

https://collider.com/the-marvels-global-box-office-187-million/

[IMJ]

I have literally said here for years now that these things work on a standard societal curve - and that when the bottom drops out of woke $#!( it's going to be like a sinkhole opening up and down it goes.

[MikeandRaph87]

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/marvels-suffered-lack-supervision-set-152546387.html

Bob Iger admits it failed and of course has an excuse. It was filmed during the height of COVID therefore the studio didn't have executives supervising production. So COVID is the scapegoat. Why would studio executives presence make it any better? By track record it would make it even worse!

[Andrew NDB]

It was filmed during the height of COVID

"Filming began July 2021 and concluded by mid-May 2022"

The height of COVID? Bullsh**. Vaccines had been available since that February and by July of 2021 I was already back to work, as were most people.

[IMJ]

He's making every excuse he can other than saying "audience are clearly angered at us for injecting endless amount of nonsense, lecturing woke $#!( into our media, and probably even more mad at us for using viral marketing to call dissenters 'racists".

He is even going so far as to say the movie failed because it didn't have enough "supervision" by execs on set. :roll:

It doesn't matter. Consumer power in a capitalists' society is how we spend our dollars. Just hammer it home to an extreme until Disney cleans house 100%.

[Andrew NDB]

He's not wrong that it needed more supervision, but we're talking on a pre-production, casting, script-level here... not when everyone is on set and it's already time to shoot.

[Barkworm]

The only thing that peaked my curiosity about this film is the weird fact that they brought Kelsey Grammer's Beast back. Was there ever anyone who REALLY wanted Kelsey Grammer back as Beast? Or anyone from X-Men 3 for that matter? Maybe Vinnie Jones as Juggernaut? :lol:

[Andrew NDB]

The only thing that peaked my curiosity about this film is the weird fact that they brought Kelsey Grammer's Beast back. Was there ever anyone who REALLY wanted Kelsey Grammer back as Beast? Or anyone from X-Men 3 for that matter?

Grammer came back as Beast at the end of Days of Future Past, too. Did I want him back? No. I don't want any of the Fox-Men back. None of them.

In another life, Fassbender might have been a great Magneto. And he's now approaching an age where he'd approximately look like what I'd see a modern day Magneto looking like. Just give him long white hair.

[Barkworm]

Grammer came back as Beast at the end of Days of Future Past, too. Did I want him back? No. I don't want any of the Fox-Men back. None of them.
I think most people are kind of excited for Hugh Jackman's return in Deadpool 3 (I heard it might be rated R, lol).

And I agree about Fassbender, I generally like him in most of his roles. Ever seen "Shame"? That was one hell of a performance.

[Andrew NDB]

I think most people are kind of excited for Hugh Jackman's return in Deadpool 3 (I heard it might be rated R, lol).

Jackman's fine, but he's old now. And too tall, if we're too get nitpicky. And he was made to be too big a part of those Fox-Men movies.

And I agree about Fassbender, I generally like him in most of his roles. Ever seen "Shame"? That was one hell of a performance.

He's a pretty underrated guy. Shame was great, and I just saw him in Fincher's latest, "The Killer," on Netflix. And stuff like Centurion and most especially Ridley Scott's "The Counselor," which I feel is supremely underrated. So, so brutal.

[IMJ]

Grammer came back as Beast at the end of Days of Future Past, too. Did I want him back? No. I don't want any of the Fox-Men back. None of them.

I am exactly the same. I have huge respect for Jackman's Wolverine and of course Patrick Stewart as Professor X. But as a whole that Universe had it's day and that day is done.

And the truth is that almost none of those movies were any good at all. They had the benefit of being several "firsts" during an era where people were anxious to see any comic book character brought to life on screen who wasn't Batman or Superman.

At the end of the day you had a handful of great "moments" on film, but that's it. X-Men 2 had the mansion scene, The Wolverine (Wolverine 2) was probably the best Wolverine on screen as a whole and Deadpool was entertaining as a whole.

But too much of the FoX-Men was a continuity disaster or, in hindsight had some serious C or B movie screen time going on across all of those movies.

[Sumac]

I don't really care about "integrity of the Fox X-Men", since they never had one in the first place, what with copious amount of "non-canon" spin-offs and reboots. MCU is floundering, so I take what I can - as long as movie is good, even it doesn't make sense in the broader context of the X-men / MCU, I take it.

About Iger excuse - its funny how he manage to anger his formerly loyal SJW fanbase. They understand his words as him throwing director of the Marvels (who is Black woman) under the bus, which more or less what he did, which of course racist, in the world-view. And, in their minds, the whole Marvels crapshow will basically stop "women of color" appearing in movies or TV series. Its like those brickheads think we are still in the 50s or something.

[Andrew NDB]

Looks like it's, eh, available for download now.

[IMJ]

Looks like it's, eh, available for download now.

There really isn't much left to say about this movie. Even the apologists and clowns in this thread who argued defiantly for this movie and that it would be a huge success can't gaslight their way into "being right" and ignoring the facts.

Quite frankly if anyone here has any merit at all about continuing to rant about this movie it would be me, and then only on the merits of anger at the use of the Quantum Bands as a huge Quasar fan.

F this movie. F the agenda. F the woke assault on normal white men. Let this movie die and be shunted into obscurity forever. There was nothing inclusive about it - it was an assault on normalcy by the abnormal-life-angry.

[Sumac]

I remember a month before release I have argued with a guy on another form, who was beating himself in a chest crying that "this movie will be good, despite being delayed 5 times".
I wonder, how this idiot feels now.

[Galactus]

The movie itself was fine. An otherwise above average entry that it is elevated somewhat by Iman Velani's performance...it just wasn't commercially successful which I thought we universally recognised isn't a metric of quality. If it ends up doing an Eternals and doing great on streaming does that then make it good movie?

What strikes me about this movie is how un-woke it is. We has a gender-bent character sure but it's so obscure I doubt anyone really cares. There's no big girl power message, the female characters are not flawless, the men are not portrayed as incompetent or marginalised. In almost every way this is exactly what every ranty youtuber says they want out of a female led superhero movie. Unsuprisingly after this flopped at the box office the bar has been moved from "we're fine with women superheroes, we just want them done in the right way" to "see this is what you get for doing chick superhero movies".

[Sumac]

The movie itself was fine.
So fine that it is the biggest failure of the whole MCU.
Who are you trying to gaslight at this point?

In almost every way this is exactly what every ranty youtuber says they want out of a female led superhero movie. Unsuprisingly after this flopped at the box office the bar has been moved from "we're fine with women superheroes, we just want them done in the right way" to "see this is what you get for doing chick superhero movies".
WTF am I reading?

[Galactus]

So fine that it is the biggest failure of the whole MCU.

it just wasn't commercially successful which I thought we universally recognised isn't a metric of quality.

I think I already addressed that.

[IMJ]

Again, if you can't address the argument "in truth" then the leftist, clown way is to just lie about the premise of the argument itself. Pathetic.

[Andrew NDB]

Again, if you can't address the argument "in truth"

But wait a minute. Which truth? My truth or your truth? :)

[Sumac]

I think I already addressed that.
But you did not...:ohwell:

[IMJ]

But wait a minute. Which truth? My truth or your truth? :)

The truth. :P

[Galactus]

But you did not...:ohwell:

I don't mind repeating myself a few times...

So fine that it is the biggest failure of the whole MCU.

it just wasn't commercially successful which I thought we universally recognised isn't a metric of quality.


The truth. :P

That good movies can flop and bad movies can be hits? I'd say that's a widely accepted truth about cinema.

[Sumac]

That good movies can flop and bad movies can be hits? I'd say that's a widely accepted truth about cinema.
Except The Marvels didn't receive glowing reviews either?

Also, when it comes to the blockbusters, which The Marvels was supposed to be, box-office is more or less is a metric to judge them on.

[IMJ]

It's not unheard of that movie that don't do well can still be a great movie.
The Boondock Saints.
John Wick.
Fight Club.
Blade Runner.

The Marvels is not one of them. :roll: F'n clown world.

[Galactus]

Except The Marvels didn't receive glowing reviews either?

And many movies that are now universally considered good had bad reviews when they came out.

Also, when it comes to the blockbusters, which The Marvels was supposed to be, box-office is more or less is a metric to judge them on.

So the first three Michael Bay Transformers movies are good actually?

[Sumac]

And many movies that are now universally considered good had bad reviews when they came out.
Stop supporting woke corporate garbage, "independent thinker".

So the first three Michael Bay Transformers movies are good actually?
As far as visual spectacle goes?
Definitely.

[Galactus]

Stop supporting woke corporate garbage, "independent thinker".

The vast majority of cinema is corporately owned. I like a lot of indie movies but I'm not sure anyone would enjoy a world were they were the only kinds of films we could watch.

Also I think we're allowed to like movies that are not popular with critics. It wasn't too long ago that it was deemed that professional critics were a poor barometer for franchise movies. To put it into perspective if we were only supposed to like the Star Wars movies that were popular with critics we'd have to hate all of 'em apart from The Last Jedi and...The Phantom Menace.

As far as visual spectacle goes?
Definitely.

Sorta. Bay's style for action in those movies was new and different at the time and that allowed attracted an audience but I would argue it was never truly good. Other directors took that style and sanded off the rough edges to make it easier to follow. I don't think it's any coincidence that those Transformers movies stopped being successful when the MCU took off.

[Sumac]

The vast majority of cinema is corporately owned. I like a lot of indie movies but I'm not sure anyone would enjoy a world were they were the only kinds of films we could watch.
Which is why "honorable defenders of woke / corpo trash" like you are hilarious clowns.

Unless you are a complete idiot, and I doubt it, you do know that whatever ideological trash is being pushed by corporations is insincere and motivated purely by publicity and not a genuine empathy for anyone or anything.

Which is why defending mainstream woke industry is dumb.
You are defending bunch of greedy hypocrites and act like a hypocrite yourself in a process.
Much like those idiots who put up all possible diversity flags in their avatars and think they are "fighting a good fight" against someone.

Also I think we're allowed to like movies that are not popular with critics. It wasn't too long ago that it was deemed that professional critics were a poor barometer for franchise movies. To put it into perspective if we were only supposed to like the Star Wars movies that were popular with critics we'd have to hate all of 'em apart from The Last Jedi and...The Phantom Menace.
Of course, we are allowed to like whatever we want.
But, in this thread you are not talking for yourself. You are talking on behalf of some elusive "majority" which supposedly liked this movie, when both box-office and critics show a completely opposite picture.

So, as of now, reality is as follow: box-office is utter ****, which means regular people didn't like this movie. Critics reception is mild at best. Which means they also didn't like this movie.

So, who exactly liked this movie?

Like, I understand there are few normies and MCUtards and SJWtards which genuinely consider or pretend this movie is good, but right now, majority of people either don't like it or don't care, which is even worse for the blockbuster.

Sorta. Bay's style for action in those movies was new and different at the time and that allowed attracted an audience but I would argue it was never truly good. Other directors took that style and sanded off the rough edges to make it easier to follow. I don't think it's any coincidence that those Transformers movies stopped being successful when the MCU took off.
I don't see any resemblance between Bayformers and MCU. Like at all.
If anything Bay's style is much closer to that of Snyder, but none of MCU action scenes gave the same typical Bay flair. Not even a pale imitation. They are good, but very by the numbers, standardized, if you want.

[Andrew NDB]

Just saw the movie. It wasn't the stupidest thing I've ever seen but man, it's up there. The main bad guy lady is horribly miscast and isn't a very good actress. Yes, it wants you to see Ms. Marvel first because it doesn't explain anything about Kamala or how she got her arm band. No, it doesn't feel remotely organic to anything that happened in Secret Invasion. No, we aren't given any reason to care about anyone on the screen beyond their development in other projects. This appears to exist only to continue to try to will into being an audience of little girls that doesn't exist.

[CyberCubed]

I also thought the singing planet people felt weird, was that in the comics? Felt like something out of Star Trek, weirdly.

[Autbot_Benz]

https://i.imgur.com/fZIX2Q5.png

[neatoman]

Not sure how many ideas are "guaranteed hits" at this point, actual Spider-Man movies maybe but that's about it. Ant-Man 4, Captain Marvel 3 and Eternals 2 do seem like guaranteed duds though, I'll give them that.

Doctor Stange 3, Thor 5 and Guardians 4 might make sense for now but the reputation of this series has really gone downhill. And does anyone really want Black Panther 3 and Black Widow 2?

[Autbot_Benz]

The Marvels lost Disney $237 M

The Marvels
Disney/Marvel
Net Loss: -$237M

https://i.imgur.com/hZ1UB3N.png

https://deadline.com/2024/05/biggest-box-office-bombs-2023-lowest-grossing-movies-1235902825/

[CyberCubed]

The movie starred a raging feminist, a mixed muslim/pakistani, and a black woman. Go woke, go broke.

[BornAgain]

That really put an end to one small culture war battle that had been raging for a while now. Sadly the war goes on with no end in sight, but it’s interesting to see this outcome after years of fans battling over whether her box office was earned, she was truly beloved by fans, etc

I wasn’t a fan but even I didn’t see this coming. Hot damn.

[ZariusTwo]

Cheese, wine, cope, and crow served to the five Carol fans in the back. My treat.

[Coola Yagami]

It was just the odd combination of grabbing an actress nobody liked to portray a character nobody liked.

The sudden push for Captain Marvel outta nowhere just because Wonder Woman did big numbers at the box office. Literal decades and it wasn't until the money hit DC that Marvel finally realized they don't have a 'Marvel version' of a standalone female superhero that isn't either a female version of a male superhero or a member of an existing team (an existing team that belonged to Fox or Sony at the time, to boot).

I stopped watching WWE before Reigns finally got over with that Bloodline Tribal Chief nonsense, but hey, maybe someday Carol will 'get over' with the fans.

Honestly either turn her back to Miss Marvel, keep her as is but tone down the overly smug feminist vibes, or make her a 'for the greater good' misguided type of villain/antihero. But Marvel will refuse to do that. They demand everybody loves her as is.

[IMJ]

Cheese, wine, cope, and crow served to the five Carol fans in the back. My treat.

:lol:

It was just the odd combination of grabbing an actress nobody liked to portray a character nobody liked.

The sudden push for Captain Marvel outta nowhere just because Wonder Woman did big numbers at the box office. Literal decades and it wasn't until the money hit DC that Marvel finally realized they don't have a 'Marvel version' of a standalone female superhero that isn't either a female version of a male superhero or a member of an existing team (an existing team that belonged to Fox or Sony at the time, to boot).

I stopped watching WWE before Reigns finally got over with that Bloodline Tribal Chief nonsense, but hey, maybe someday Carol will 'get over' with the fans.

Honestly either turn her back to Miss Marvel, keep her as is but tone down the overly smug feminist vibes, or make her a 'for the greater good' misguided type of villain/antihero. But Marvel will refuse to do that. They demand everybody loves her as is.

Watch that new Warbird Marvel Legends figure outsell anything even remotely related to Craptain Marvel from the last 7 or so years.

[Autbot_Benz]

love watching people make excuses for this movie now that its been trending on twitter

[Barkworm]

I deleted the trolling and arguments.

[Andrew NDB]

She's baaack....

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[IMJ]

Maybe she will make a splash in the "theater kid" community.