Captain Marvel 2

[Autbot_Benz]

Brie is back but she will be joined by WandaVision's monica rambeau and Ms Marvel Kamala Khan

Revealed during The Walt Disney Company’s 2020 Investor Day presentation by Kevin Feige, president, Marvel Studios, and chief creative officer, Marvel, returning to her role as Carol Danvers in Marvel Studios’ Captain Marvel 2, Brie Larson will be joined by Iman Vellani, who makes her debut as Ms. Marvel in the Disney+ series of the same name. Additionally, joining the cast is Teyonah Parris, who portrays grown-up Monica Rambeau — a character introduced as a child in Marvel Studios’ Captain Marvel — in Marvel Studios’ WandaVision.

The film, directed by Nia DaCosta, is slated to open November 11, 2022.

https://www.marvel.com/articles/movies/captain-marvel-2-ms-marvel-nia-dacosta

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Really don't give a $hit.

[Shark_Blade]

Of course she’s gonna meet Kamala that’s no surprise. Brie owns my heart, I hope she gets better script and direction to work with. Captain Marvel was pretty much lacking in that so can’t blame her. She delivered in other roles like Room and even won an Oscar.

[IMJ]

Really don't give a $hit.

I hope the people they are making this for show up. We already know that there will be some money to be made from the addicts - the same people who said "It's the BESTEST Marvel movie yet!!" when Iron Man 3 dropped and sucked. But beyond that, hopefully for them the people they made this for will show up.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I hope the people they are making this for show up. We already know that there will be some money to be made from the addicts - the same people who said "It's the BESTEST Marvel movie yet!!" when Iron Man 3 dropped and sucked. But beyond that, hopefully for them the people they made this for will show up.

At the moment, I have a hard time believing ANY movie is ever gonna see the light of day again. :tlol: :tsad:

[Andrew NDB]

At the moment, I have a hard time believing ANY movie is ever gonna see the light of day again. :tlol: :tsad:

Budgets will take a big hit, for sure. They have to. If a new wacky strain of the Monkey Pox virus hits tomorrow, all the liberal states in the country -- and their theaters -- will just be back in lockdown and we'll just be right back in the same situation again. If budgets are kept low to medium, they can just do the streaming model at a low-loss.

[IMJ]

I still can't shake the whole "Marvel bought tickets to their own movie to boost the box office take" for the original Craptain Marvel.

It sounded like ludicrous conspiracy theory until theater owners themselves started showing video and shots of empty theaters that were sold out ahead of time via online ticketing.

Crazy.

[Leo656]

Anything to claim "success".

The movie was too "important" to let it drift in the wind. There was very little genuine interest in the character or the movie, people just wanted to see how it linked to Endgame. They didn't care about her story at all. BUT, their first female super-hero movie, "We gotta beat Wonder Woman", all that stuff. They probably figured, "We're gonna make at least two billion from Endgame, we can drop another $100 mil or so on Captain Marvel and call it a business expense." Record companies buy records of their own artists all the time so they can brag about "10 million records sold!" and whatever. Same thing.

Love to know what the real box office was. As I've said before, it grossed "a billion" and I don't know a single person who's ever seen the damn thing.

[IMJ]

Anything to claim "success".

The movie was too "important" to let it drift in the wind. There was very little genuine interest in the character or the movie, people just wanted to see how it linked to Endgame. They didn't care about her story at all. BUT, their first female super-hero movie, "We gotta beat Wonder Woman", all that stuff. They probably figured, "We're gonna make at least two billion from Endgame, we can drop another $100 mil or so on Captain Marvel and call it a business expense." Record companies buy records of their own artists all the time so they can brag about "10 million records sold!" and whatever. Same thing.

Love to know what the real box office was. As I've said before, it grossed "a billion" and I don't know a single person who's ever seen the damn thing.

Maybe that's why they are doing so much T.V. They won't have the income lying around after all of this to buy their own tickets to help clean up a potential mess if they run into one.

I'm only half serious, but the half of me that is serious about that is pretty serious.

[Leo656]

No, no, that's exactly why.

[IMJ]

No, no, that's exactly why.

There are a lot of normies out there who would scoff at that and not even look up the reports and filmed evidence from theater owners. It is what it is. But look at the magnitudes of money we are talking about here. When something like the Avengers makes one BILLION dollars, a company literally then has the resources to create, fund and sustain their own micro-economy of goods if need be. So they push an agenda that people retaliate against but they can't fail so they buy their own tickets not expecting an empty theater to reveal what they did.

I was in an early screening of Endgame. It was filled with a wide group of fandom from LCS people to bloggers and more. I absolutely swear to God that when Craptain Marvel appeared on-screen in her big moment to take down the ship, the whole theater was dead silent. Dead silent. And then when Thanos smashed her with the power stone the whole place erupted in laughter. So help me that is the truth.

[Galactus]

There are a lot of normies out there who would scoff at that and not even look up the reports and filmed evidence from theater owners. It is what it is. But look at the magnitudes of money we are talking about here. When something like the Avengers makes one BILLION dollars, a company literally then has the resources to create, fund and sustain their own micro-economy of goods if need be. So they push an agenda that people retaliate against but they can't fail so they buy their own tickets not expecting an empty theater to reveal what they did.

I do't remember reports or filmed evidence of empty showings. I do remember a lot of twitter users who were already raging about the movie existing claiming they had been to empty showings and videos floating about of empty theaters that were used in comic/gamer gaters and alt right youtubers to "prove" that no one was seeing the movie/ Because those guys totally don't have any agenda.

They had to do something, right? After all everyone was saying for months that Disney paid off critics to give their MCU movies stellar reviews. When Captain Marvel came out and the general consensus from critics is that it was just okay (probably how I'd sum up the movie) their whole narrative was shot. They had to come up with something and ended up with an even dumber conspiracy theory.

I was in an early screening of Endgame. It was filled with a wide group of fandom from LCS people to bloggers and more. I absolutely swear to God that when Craptain Marvel appeared on-screen in her big moment to take down the ship, the whole theater was dead silent. Dead silent. And then when Thanos smashed her with the power stone the whole place erupted in laughter. So help me that is the truth.

Yeah, yeah. :roll:

[IMJ]

Yeah, yeah. :roll:

All of your counter opinions above are fine.
Until this. Dip $#!(. It's the way it was.

[Galactus]

All of your counter opinions above are fine.
Until this. Dip $#!(. It's the way it was.

Well it wasn't how it was when I went to see it and I don't think I've heard of anyone else experience that either. That's kinda my problem with all of these reports of empty theaters and the like it's all anecdotal. I don't doubt that some showings of Captain Marvel played to some empty theaters. My second viewing of the 2012 Avengers a week after it came out hardly had anyone there. That doesn't mean the movie wasn't a huge financial success.

[Andrew NDB]

Brie Larson super excited that Captain Marvel 2 has the MCU's first female black director:

https://www.cinemablend.com/news/2561537/why-captain-marvel-2s-brie-larson-is-excited-to-be-working-with-the-films-director

[Sumac]

How about being excited about having a good script or a good director?

Oh wait...never mind. SJW trash doesn't care about quality. They care about MeSSaGe.

[Andrew NDB]

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[Andrew NDB]

So I booted up my PS5 and I see this.

https://i.ibb.co/Xs1SqmP/175461139-1267183540350281-2011699668774774541-n.jpg

I don't play Fortnite and I certainly haven't clicked on any Brie Larson stuff... so... why?

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I was in an early screening of Endgame. It was filled with a wide group of fandom from LCS people to bloggers and more. I absolutely swear to God that when Craptain Marvel appeared on-screen in her big moment to take down the ship, the whole theater was dead silent. Dead silent. And then when Thanos smashed her with the power stone the whole place erupted in laughter. So help me that is the truth.

The cliffhanger for Infinity War sort of hyped up CM and got a lot thinking she's going to be the answer to Thanos only for her to show up, get in some hits, and get herself beaten in a few seconds in Endgame...wow.:trolleye: I should've laughed but I was more so disgusted.

[Andrew NDB]

I actually wonder if more credit isn't due to Feige and company there... and that seems weird to type. But what I mean is, yeah, they positioned Captain Marvel in such a way between such gigantic cushions that it could only accel (it's just good business)... but in the aftermath of general viewer reception of Captain Marvel? If Marvel Studios was just gung ho about an agenda, Captain Marvel 2 would have been greenlit right away and steamrolled into Phase 4 as this "new leader" figure it seems like she was once poised at... but instead? We only even started hearing anything concrete about Captain Marvel 2 a few months ago with about 0 before that beyond Brie's press people making her dress sexy and go on Conan or whatever.

Something happened.

Now, if one were to be conspiracy minded... it could alternately be that they went, "Uh oh... wait, we didn't go 'far enough.' Straight white female? That's just one step removed from straight white male. We need to shift Captain Marvel into a minority as soon as possible!" And then the push for Kamala and Monica to kind of swoop in to pass the baton to.

[AquaParade]

I get the feeling that Marvel planned on making Captain Marvel a figurehead for sure.

Something happened, but I'm not exactly on board the conspiracy train that Marvel bought all the tickets. Maybe it happened but I haven't seen the reliable evidence yet.
So I have to think they've just noticed the lack of fanfare for the character, from doing research online and in their test-screenings. The character has no charisma, c'mon. What is there to attach yourself to? It's one of the few MCU movies I've never seen or finished, and I'm pretty invested at this point.

It definitely seemed like they were poising her as our next favorite Marvel character, from the press junkets to the movie cliffhangers, but the whole "initiative" sort of seemed to die out, as Andrew just noted. I'd definitely be curious to hear more about what went down.

Edit: thinking more on it, they really fumbled with the character. They wrote her into Endgame when she hadn't even filmed Captain Marvel. Her character is completely boring in both. She was hardly developed enough to have a fitting role in either.

It's like the character was taken out of the oven too soon so she could have time to be in her own movie, which also had to set her up for a golden spot in Endgame. Audiences were treated to two servings of cold food in a row.
In a way, it sort of serves them right for trying to shove that cold food down our throat and make us forget about Wonder Woman.
The fact that those two movies made so much has the doubled effect of giving a huge portion of the audience a poor impression of the character. Now they have to dig themselves out.

[Andrew NDB]

thinking more on it, they really fumbled with the character. They wrote her into Endgame when she hadn't even filmed Captain Marvel. Her character is completely boring in both.

It's like the character was taken out of the oven too soon so she could have time to be in her own movie

I definitely think at some point between the Captain Marvel movie and Endgame coming out... Feige and Marvel Studios/Disney bigwigs did a kind of collective, "Uh oh. Maybe we didn't think this through with her."

Definitely. Now... to what end, in what way? That part I can't figure out. I'd like to believe it's an understanding that people weren't catching their drift of what they were throwing down... but I'm not sure.

[AquaParade]

Christ. I didn't want to buy into the rumors of her not getting along great with other castmates - There may be some awkward junket moments but that's not enough to say - but, man...she really does seem sort of unbearable and I have to wonder if she stunk up the Marvel office with her personality.

Here is her response to the film breaking $1B at the box office. Am I the only one who think it sounds completely tacky??

“We put unnecessary pressure on ourselves,” Larson said. “I understand film history. I know that the film industry started with a majority of women. It started with women filmmakers. This weird idea that women maybe can’t open movies or are not important to storytelling or the female story is not high art, it’s bogus. I don’t want to for a second buy into it.”

Larson continued, “I’m very grateful to have broken this glass ceiling of normalizing the concept that women can also make a billion dollars. I don’t know why that was so hard to comprehend in the first place. It’s just like we’re human, whatever. If people needed this to be another reminder this decade [that minority groups can open movies and make a billion dollars] then great, I’m here, I did it.”

What a stinky piece of turd that makes her come across as. Get real, Brie, and acknowledge that the films success is standing on the shoulders of giants. You were propped up by all the hardwork the MCU has done. And no one with a third of a brain ever claimed woman film's can't be "high art" so cut the "strawman" argument b.s.
Damn, it must be hard to not let a successful movie you started in go to your head.

She really comes off as pompous. At the same time, she clearly wants to stand for something, oh so badly. It's too bad that she is really just riding the wave and talking a bunch of crud while she does.

[Andrew NDB]

Larson continued, “I’m very grateful to have broken this glass ceiling of normalizing the concept that women can also make a billion dollars. I don’t know why that was so hard to comprehend in the first place. It’s just like we’re human, whatever. If people needed this to be another reminder this decade [that minority groups can open movies and make a billion dollars] then great, I’m here, I did it.”

Her saying this, AFTER Wonder Woman came out. Which didn't hit a billion globally but nicked it.

Yeesh.

[AquaParade]

For real. It's really the "I did it" that gets me. I mean, in any film, the star is only one piece of the puzzle, but in an MCU film, which is the most serialized movie series ever, and in a movie where the VFX team is doing half the work, it just blows my mind that you would phrase your response that way.

I have to wonder if the online trolls have really gotten to her because this is the type of snarky ass response I'd maybe give to them but would never actually utter in public.

[Andrew NDB]

You only have to peek at her relatively new YouTube channel to get the answer, I think.

Though definitely we are looking at a wealthy "activist" paying a publicist a lot of money to kind of... salvage and maintain her public image. But the cracks still seep through if you are looking.

[Coola Yagami]

It doesn't help that she was brought in this late into the game and that Captain Marvel isn't well liked in the comics nowadays either. I know Marvel Studios didn't do it on purpose but it's a funny coincidence they picked someone incredibly unlikeable to play someone incredibly unlikeable.

[AquaParade]

It is a funny situation. Seemed pretty avoidable. It also didn't help that Feige and co came on so strong with her - 'Here is your new most powerful character who will be the face of the MCU.' It's like they were telling us she is our certified new favorite character.
Very heavy-handed.

Remember when Marvel tried telling us that Iron Man was the crown jewel and would be the new face of the comics? It was clearly motivated by the fact that they owned Iron Man, as opposed to the true crown jewel, Spider-Man.

Didn't seem to work either there or here.

It sort of puts all that in a different context when you remember this was a time before they were about to get the Fox characters and were more desperate for replacements. But it also felt like a desperate snuff attempt at DC's success with Wonder Woman. I don't think they wanted DC to have that "victory" over them by any means.

[Coola Yagami]

It's weird because Marvel has been around for decades and suddenly NOW in the last 4-5 years they just realized that they never had a strong female figurehead in the way DC has Wonder Woman.

Justice League aside, Wonder Woman isn't one character among many in a team. She's also not the female version of a pre-existing DC hero like Batgirl or Supergirl.

You can argue the female figurehead for Marvel is Sue Richards, but she's 'just' one of the Fantastic Four and hasn't had a long lasting comic series in her name. The same applies for Storm, she's 'just' one of the X-Men. Then you have She-Hulk, but she's a female version of an existing character.

For whatever reason they grabbed Carol, turned her from Miss Marvel to Captain Marvel and went the Vinnie Mac route of telling us that we WILL like her as Marvel's top female character (and top character overall) or we're sexist.

They shoved her down our throats for years of cancelled number ones and forgot to make the character herself somehow likeable.

Then they made the mistake (or perfect casting) of grabbing stuck up bitch Brie to portray her on the big screen. And history repeat itself but in the MCU.

I just kinda wonder if the gears would have shifted a bit more had they cast someone that could actually act and actually looked like they like being there and also got along with the rest of the crew. I mean, no one on set had a problem with Black Widow, Gamora and Scarlet Witch.

[neatoman]

The thing about Wonder Woman is that I seriously question if she is actually anywhere near as popular as Superman and Batman, or simply just well known? There is a big difference. Even ignoring the relative lack of movies and TV shows compared to Superman and Batman, has her book ever actually sold anywhere near as well as theirs?

None of this is to say Wonder Woman is unpopular or sells poorly, it's just that I kind of always had this feeling DC likes to prop her up for the image rather than because of her fanbase.

[Sumac]

The thing about Wonder Woman is that I seriously question if she is actually anywhere near as popular as Superman and Batman, or simply just well known? There is a big difference. Even ignoring the relative lack of movies and TV shows compared to Superman and Batman, has her book ever actually sold anywhere near as well as theirs?
I think WW is just well-known, but not nearly as popular as Batman or Superman. Or Spider-Man for that matter.

In general, aside from WW I'd be hard pressed to name a female superhero comparable to most popular male characters in terms of popularity.

[CyberCubed]

Wonder Woman is obviously the most popular female superhero worldwide, it's not even close. The second might possibly be Batgirl, but only because of her association with the Batman franchise.

After that I dunno, especially if you include the X-men like Jean, Rogue, etc.

[sdp]

wonder woman isn't the most popular female superhero worldwide. She wasn't that big until the movie made her popular again similar to how iron man was basically a b or c-list hero before his live action movie. She obviously has a fanbase but it's like Samus/Metroid often being placed as nintendo's "Big 3" when no one cares about metroid despite how hard fans and the company try to push it but it adds diversity to what they're marketing.

WW84 obviously got caught between a bad script apparently and the pandemic, we would need to see with a third wonder woman movie if she's actually popular or not, but she's definitely been more popular now than any time in the past 30 years. Supergirl and batgirl are definitely better known worldwide and more iconic.

NO ONE CARES ABOUT WONDER WOMAN (of course i mean it literally nobody not even a single person!, she has not a single fan!1)
http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showpost.php?p=1889213&postcount=33 link to this post so you can quote me in the future

[AquaParade]

Supergirl and Batgirl are not more widely known or iconic than Wonder Woman.

[ZariusTwo]

Hell, DC Comics right now are starting to downplay Barbra Gordon as Batgirl and focus again on her role as Oracle, despite the Burnside persona being the most relevant the character had been in years (and was used as the template for the version you see in Batman vs TMNT)

[Leo656]

Wonder Woman's popularity has always been kind of a victim of gender biases.

Wonder Woman would be a lot more popular, if not for the fact that:
- Boys aren't "allowed" to like Wonder Woman. "Girls' stuff."
- Girls aren't "supposed" to like comic books and such. "Boys' stuff."

It's like, a lot of kids like or at least appreciate the Wonder Woman character, but when I was a kid I didn't know any boys OR girls who read her comics, for those exact reasons. I knew a lot of kids who bought Justice League comics and liked her just fine in that context, but nobody bought her solo book.

It wasn't that people didn't like her; but if you were a boy and bought Wonder Woman comics, you were "gay". If you were a girl and bought comic books, period, you were "acting like a boy" or whatever. Unless it was Archie stuff, that was "acceptable" for little girls. Absolutely no super-hero comics, though. "Not allowed" for girls.

Supposedly, we've come a long way on such things but I still see/hear about those sorts of stigmas still existing. Most Dads I know would prefer their sons not read/watch Wonder Woman. Most Moms I know would prefer their daughters play with Barbies and ponies and stay away from super-heroes. We really haven't come all that far from where we were 20+ years ago.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Regardless of the current popularity of Wonder Woman, she still remains the most well-known female superhero. It's not even up for debate. In terms of female comic book characters, even Harley Quinn has yet to surpass her. If anything she's more of a hit with those who love Hot Topic.

[Andrew NDB]

Wonder Woman's popularity has always been kind of a victim of gender biases.

Wonder Woman would be a lot more popular, if not for the fact that:
- Boys aren't "allowed" to like Wonder Woman. "Girls' stuff."
- Girls aren't "supposed" to like comic books and such. "Boys' stuff."

It's like, a lot of kids like or at least appreciate the Wonder Woman character, but when I was a kid I didn't know any boys OR girls who read her comics, for those exact reasons. I knew a lot of kids who bought Justice League comics and liked her just fine in that context, but nobody bought her solo book.

It wasn't that people didn't like her; but if you were a boy and bought Wonder Woman comics, you were "gay".

I think "The Contest" made WW "cool" to dudes of my generation. The one where Artemis took over for WW, then Diana had to fight her way back.

[CyberCubed]

Batgirl (only Barbara Gordon) and Harley are popular but since they're connected to the Batman universe it's a bit different since they're elevated because of that.

Wonder Woman is by the most well known. I couldn't name any female Marvel Superhero outside the X-men ones until recent years. I didn't even know who Black Widow was till the movies came out.

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, it'd probably go Wonder Woman, then a big gap... then, like, Storm and Jean Grey, then Captain Marvel below them probably and Batgirl somewhere around there, too.

[Leo656]

I kinda doubt if you polled people on the street, that more people would say "Storm" or "Jean Grey" before "Supergirl" or "Batgirl". But that's me. Even if the familiarity people have for Supergirl and Batgirl mostly comes from them being peripherally connected to more popular characters, I think they'd be more at the front of people's minds in general.

One thing that kind of muddies the waters of these conversations is that there's a bit of difference between "well-known" and "popular". Like TMNT right now, for example. Everybody knows what it is, but is it "popular"? Nah. Has it been recently? Debatable.

Likewise, I frankly don't think any female super-heroes, even the most well-known, are really all that "popular" outside of Wonder Woman and Supergirl. I think if you broke it down to the numbers, you'd only have those two moving significant amounts of comics and merchandise, and then a HUGE gap between them and everyone else. And even Wonder Woman and Supergirl's numbers would fall way, way short of most of the male super-heroes.

I think what propped up the first Wonder Woman movie's success was a lot of good word of mouth. I know a lot of people who weren't planning on seeing it but were swayed by all of the "It's actually a good movie, though" chatter. Some people expected it to be another "grimdark" DC movie, others expected it to be a super-preachy "feminist" type of movie, and all of those people were pleasantly surprised that it was neither of those things.

It's also good that they didn't spend all their time and energy in the pre-release blitz telling people "If you don't like this movie, you hate women", the way they did in the build-up to "Captain Marvel". People have a way of pushing back from that sort of thing. Although "Captain Marvel" allegedly made a billion dollars, so hey, I guess all their finger-wagging worked. But let's be honest, it left no impression on the world at large and it doesn't have a great reputation, and neither does Brie Larson, who admittedly comes off as a huge brat. Next to "Avatar" it might be the most forgettable and least-talked about billion-dollar movie in history. Kinda makes you think.

[ZariusTwo]

The movie's title has been changed to "The Marvels"

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[AquaParade]

Elephant in the room - the debate will be whether or not Marvel lost faith in Brie Larson's character.

I think you could argue that it's looking for something that isn't there. But I also think you could argue that Marvel knew the title would provoke this response in certain, decently-sized, circles.

I try to be very cautious when speaking about Brie Larson online, because it's a messy discussion, frankly. A lot of assumptions, half-truths, conspiracies, and the like.
But I do have to think the backlash to her character has been at least strong enough for Marvel to take notice. And I do see them cutting off a limb to save the body if they have to. Marvel has seen the complete shitstorm that stirred up around Star Wars, and this may be showing too many of the same symptoms for them to want to risk the MCU, by pushing Captain Marvel any harder than they have to, in such circumstances.
In other words, Captain Marvel isn't a hill that the MCU needs to die on, so it may not be worth risking the infection to the entire franchise.

[ZariusTwo]

The film is a triple header teaming Carol with Monica Rambeou and Kamala Khan, so they're stacking the deck with potentially more likeable characters than just Brie

https://www.marvel.com/articles/movies/captain-marvel-the-marvels-title

[AquaParade]

There was also some talk of this movie being where the other MCU Spider-Man cameo would land, but who knows anymore.

Tom Holland is talking about No Way Home like it's his last MCU thing before he takes a small break, so I'm starting to wonder if we are even sure that a cameo role was baked into the new MCUxSony contract. If he is, I imagine he may be in Dr Strange 2.

[IMJ]

Elephant in the room - the debate will be whether or not Marvel lost faith in Brie Larson's character.

I think you could argue that it's looking for something that isn't there. But I also think you could argue that Marvel knew the title would provoke this response in certain, decently-sized, circles.

I try to be very cautious when speaking about Brie Larson online, because it's a messy discussion, frankly. A lot of assumptions, half-truths, conspiracies, and the like.
But I do have to think the backlash to her character has been at least strong enough for Marvel to take notice. And I do see them cutting off a limb to save the body if they have to. Marvel has seen the complete shitstorm that stirred up around Star Wars, and this may be showing too many of the same symptoms for them to want to risk the MCU, by pushing Captain Marvel any harder than they have to, in such circumstances.
In other words, Captain Marvel isn't a hill that the MCU needs to die on, so it may not be worth risking the infection to the entire franchise.

They don't want to have to keep buying tickets to their own movies to keep up appearances. I mean someone can waive that off and call it conspiracy, but it's a pretty weird "conspiracy from haters" when there's short videos that have popped up where theater managers/owners had high capacity rooms sold out by presales and then they film that showing as being nearly or completely empty. Most people running a business aren't going to go that far, potentially damaging their business, but haters want to label anything a "conspiracy", you know?

The fact is - and look at the history - if it works and makes money they stick with it, and if there is a hint of a problem, they change it (Rhodey, Director-vision, etc).

[raph27]

They don't want to have to keep buying tickets to their own movies to keep up appearances. I mean someone can waive that off and call it conspiracy, but it's a pretty weird "conspiracy from haters" when there's short videos that have popped up where theater managers/owners had high capacity rooms sold out by presales and then they film that showing as being nearly or completely empty. Most people running a business aren't going to go that far, potentially damaging their business, but haters want to label anything a "conspiracy", you know?
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There's one thing I've never understood about this theory. Disney has had plenty of box office bombs, especially in live action. If Disney bought out tickets on such a widespread scale to cross $1 billion worldwide, why only do that for one movie? Why not inflate Lone Ranger, Prince of Persia, or Wrinkle in Time? Why not do the same for Solo, the biggest flop that the Star Wars franchise has ever had?

Also, can you link some of those videos? They sound interesting but I couldn't find any on YouTube.

[oldmanwinters]

The movie's title has been changed to "The Marvels"


Great Shades (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvels#:~:text=Marvels%20is%20a%20four%2Dissue,by %20Marvel%20Comics%20in%201994.&text=A%20single%20issue%20epilogue%20was,both%20Bu siek%20and%20Ross%20returning.) of Alex Ross!

[Autbot_Benz]

I like the new title. Marvel knows fans are seeing this movie for more of Monica and Kamala not Brie's wooden deadpan peformance as Carol.

[IMJ]

There's one thing I've never understood about this theory. Disney has had plenty of box office bombs, especially in live action. If Disney bought out tickets on such a widespread scale to cross $1 billion worldwide, why only do that for one movie? Why not inflate Lone Ranger, Prince of Persia, or Wrinkle in Time? Why not do the same for Solo, the biggest flop that the Star Wars franchise has ever had?

Also, can you link some of those videos? They sound interesting but I couldn't find any on YouTube.

Because they built a social justice pyre on it instead of "another fun and great Marvel movie". Consider that and all of it's meaning in both failure and success, and you'll figure out how that could be motivating.

And so about videos - I did actually do some Google-Fu before making that post that you quoted. And what's out there comes back as a mess of the original "argument" about it, punctuated by a lot of review videos citing that stuff, as well as a few forums that had that actual footage but it is labeled as "unauthorized unless the creator has given you permission to see it". Which.... I know - is really convenient.

And so, and I regret saying this given the claims at hand, but that's about as far as I'm going back into that mess of $#!(. I can say, if you choose to believe me that I remember seeing some of the "owner footage". Finding what I had seen before was my actual intent through the Google-Fu that I mentioned above.

It is what it is. There is a lot of material out there though, a lot of which reports on that ticket buying "conspiracy". Besides, the real fact is that somehow an entire world of people appeared to crush Captain Marvel because it has a "woman in it" is more ridiculous than Marvel buying tickets to save face. Where were all of these people creating smear campaigns during any movie with a female heroic lead in the last 35 years? That's a tale millenials tell through their tunnel vision that they are the first people to ever show up on Earth in all experiences.

[AquaParade]

Because they built a social justice pyre on it instead of "another fun and great Marvel movie". Consider that and all of it's meaning in both failure and success, and you'll figure out how that could be motivating.

And so about videos - I did actually do some Google-Fu before making that post that you quoted. And what's out there comes back as a mess of the original "argument" about it, punctuated by a lot of review videos citing that stuff, as well as a few forums that had that actual footage but it is labeled as "unauthorized unless the creator has given you permission to see it". Which.... I know - is really convenient.

And so, and I regret saying this given the claims at hand, but that's about as far as I'm going back into that mess of $#!(. I can say, if you choose to believe me that I remember seeing some of the "owner footage". Finding what I had seen before was my actual intent through the Google-Fu that I mentioned above.

It is what it is. There is a lot of material out there though, a lot of which reports on that ticket buying "conspiracy".

Can you point to one that you actually back as having hard evidence? Or just a general feeling of "well I've seen a lot of videos claiming it is true, but I don't actually have proof."

I mean, I can't stand Brie's attitude in the press or otherwise (that Stan lee "tribute" post was so tasteless) and I think Captain Marvel was a bland as hell movie, with a bland as hell lead. I even think Marvel is going to downplay her compared to previous plans....but I haven't seen hard proof of the theater thing.

[IMJ]

Can you point to one that you actually back as having hard evidence? Or just a general feeling of "well I've seen a lot of videos claiming it is true, but I don't actually have proof."

Did you read my post there - the very one you quoted, or just get empowered by the opportunity at asking for "hard proof"?

Read it again. I can already see you buggin' up and unraveling an entire narrative against this possible, single grey area. Read it again and any reasonable person who can read wouldn't have had to ask your question. Read it again.

[AquaParade]

Did you read my post there - the very one you quoted, or just get empowered by the opportunity at asking for "hard proof"?

Read it again.

So, the answer is "no, I don't have proof."
Thanks.

You'd probably act less defensive if you understood that a "conspiracy" doesn't necessarily mean it is false, but only that there isn't necessarily proof. You seemed to imply the theater situation should not be called a "conspiracy" and then went on to say that you have no proof, so I wanted to double check and asked if there was anything you could actually point to that had pretty hard evidence or wasn't hearsay.

Seemed like that upset you, so I'm sorry about that.

I'm not saying the theater situation isn't true. It very well could be. But I'm not going to say it is true unless I can actually point to something that's pretty irrefutable. That's just how I roll.

[raph27]

Because they built a social justice pyre on it instead of "another fun and great Marvel movie". Consider that and all of it's meaning in both failure and success, and you'll figure out how that could be motivating.


So if I'm following you correctly, Disney not only took a major loss on the possible ticket sales of Captain Marvel but compounded the issue by spending their own money out of pocket just to save face on their "social justice pyre"?

This is where you lose me. The 2018 reboot of A Wrinkle in Time seemed to fit your "social media pyre" theory just as well or better than Captain Marvel. The posters and trailers are predominantly focused on women of color, and it is the first movie with a budget over $100 million to be directed by a black woman. But this movie was not deemed worthy for Disney to artificially inflate while Captain Marvel was?

But the box office told a very different story for A Wrinkle in Time. Adding it all up between production and marketing, the film had a budget of $250 million but only grossed $133 million worldwide. Estimates afterwards put losses at $130 million for Disney, almost half the total budget.

Captain Marvel, meanwhile, had a total budget of around $300 million. So if the situation was as dire as this "empty theaters" story seems to make it, we're looking at a $150-200 million box office gross if Disney didn't interfere.

But Captain Marvel made $1.1 billion dollars worldwide. Putting aside just the loss of money not flowing in to the company from ticket sales, you're also telling me Disney spent around nine hundred million dollars just to keep up appearances?

I'm no professional businessman, but that doesn't make any sense to me. So what if the movie failed? What actual lasting impact would that have on Disney's business? Even now with Captain Marvel being a financial success, that's not stopping others from criticizing Disney and companies like it from appealing to the "social justice" crowd and not always getting the desired results.

One flop would not cause that much damage, no matter what the motivation behind the marketing for the film was. Do you think Endgame would have been a dud if Disney's grand "social media pyre" was exposed as a fraud? Franchises as big as these can live on. Rise of Skywalker still made a nice profit even after Solo tanked.

For another recent example, the Birds of Prey movie was also appeared to many as a "female empowerment" film, but it didn't sell to expectations. That doesn't mean that the upcoming Suicide Squad movie is going direct-to-video, or that WB is going to cancel the entire planned DC slate.

As said above, maybe you're right and Disney pulled the wool over the eyes of most of us. But it just doesn't make sense in my head, and unfortunately I can't simply take your word for it based on some old forum posts.

Anyway, I'm excited to see where they take the sequel. Sounds like I might have the theater all to myself, which should be relaxing.

[Andrew NDB]

So it's "The Marvels." I kind of think the wrong kind of celebrations are happening on the right and... maybe also the wrong celebrations are happening on the left.

This isn't a rejection of Brie. This is a readaptation of Brie as they navigate Disney's new plan (which, as I read yesterday, is rejecting all white family pitches for everything because diversity). Which isn't to say they aren't heeding the general reaction to Brie... had it been "We love Brie! She is like the new RDJ!" then Captain Marvel 2 would have started filming maybe a year ago or more. And then got shut down for COVID. But it would have started.

What this is is being made and repurposed as a turning point now. They know she's just going to divide people... so let's keep her in the picture while completely removing her from the game. i.e., if you don't like "The Marvels"? Pfft. Well guess what? One is black and the other is Hindu or something. Nevermind the boring white chick in the back. If yer not liking this then you're the same as the insurrectionists that almost toppled the government in January and so on.

[Coola Yagami]

I knew that no matter what, the focus on Captain Marvel 2 was going to be on something else other than Brie. Literally no one is watching Brie's movie for her.

Wether it was for the rumors of Rogue an X-Men characters appearing like it was once said before, or now with people wanting to see Miss Marvel on the silver screen..... the fact still remains. People are gonna watch this for something else other than just Brie.

Like I know MCU's marketing is gonna spin it as if we're watching it for Brie, but believe me, bout 98% of the audience isn't.

[Sumac]

Wrinkle in Time was not a part of superfranchise, but I don't agree with "Disney buying tickets conspiracy" either.

I assume something like that might've taken place, but somehow I doubt the scale and impact of it.

[IMJ]

As said above, maybe you're right and Disney pulled the wool over the eyes of most of us. But it just doesn't make sense in my head, and unfortunately I can't simply take your word for it based on some old forum posts.

And that's fine - I'm not so vested in this that I care so much. But your position, based on your word here, is that you are fully dug-in on evaluating for the extreme situation. In doing that, you are turn an observation into a fully blown conspiracy narrative, which I never put out there. I'm saying that there is a lot of smoke out there to not be a fire, and then gave the motive for it as it would be. I'm not that vested in this, but when you combine the empty theater reports with Brie Larson's minimized role in Endgame (given how Feige hyped it during the build-up), and now the new branding for the "Marvel's" sequel and I'd say there's damage control there, absolutely.

I certainly did not argue that "nobody saw Captain Marvel and that Disney bought every ticket!". But it's not so hard to believe that they'd spend some of the marketing budget padding sales to justify their social positioning on the film and to save face. Just go out there and look it up on your own, unless you are looking for information to confirm that they'd never do that. Go out there and dig through it on your own. I certainly didn't invent this possibility. You can start here if you need someone to give you "reference links":

Bounding Into Comics (https://boundingintocomics.com/2019/03/13/new-reports-of-empty-theaters-at-captain-marvel-add-to-movies-controversy/) But hey, maybe they also just sat around and made this $#!( up.... you know... there's always a way, right?

We spoke with a movie theater manager who asked for anonymity. He told us they had “exactly 25 no shows for every showing of Captain Marvel on Thursday through Saturday.” The manager told us this was definitely abnormal, “It’s definitely not normal. People usually show up when they pay for tickets…I’m not sure what it is, we’ve seen big groups not show up before, but they get refunds.”

I asked whether or not these tickets were purchased in bulk, but that information isn’t available, “I’m not sure if they were bought all at once because Fandango doesn’t give us that information, but exactly 25 no shows for every show is probably statistically impossible.”

And here's a video with some British guy with a seat analysis (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EyOUYe077A) of some kind. Someday I'll find the theater owners videos of empty theaters weeks after release but with ticket sales.

So if I'm following you correctly, Disney not only took a major loss on the possible ticket sales of Captain Marvel.

Lastly, I never said this. You read what you wanted to in my "meaning in both failure and success" statement given your positioning, I'd say. To understand the "meaning in both failure and success" part, you have to hold the concept from the sentence before it in your head and then combine it with the statement that followed - and so I'm asking too much. You're dug in. You're using confirmation bias and so you are not "following me correctly". And I have no expectation that you will at this point. So believe what you want, man it makes no difference to me. :)

There you go. Good luck with your research and evaluation.
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I knew that no matter what, the focus on Captain Marvel 2 was going to be on something else other than Brie. Literally no one is watching Brie's movie for her.

Pretty much this. Again, Marvel's extensive virtue signaling, narrative that "finally a female hero has come along" when in fact we've had that for decades, and then Brie Larson's conduct along the way and yeah. Damage control.

Wrinkle in Time was not a part of superfranchise, but I don't agree with "Disney buying tickets conspiracy" either.

I assume something like that might've taken place, but somehow I doubt the scale and impact of it.

Again, people want to galvanize on that speculation as tightly as their political alignment will allow for, and so they will disregard that what I'm saying is basically what you are saying - not that Marvel filled every theater, but that it looks like they padded sales from the marketing budget. Maybe to bolster some "tickets sold goal!" or to give the appearance of greater success because they put their foot in their mouths with all of the virtue signaling. Yeah I believe that is entirely possible.

[AquaParade]

I think Brie Larson really showed her ass when she posted that incredibly tacky "Stan Lee tribute photo".

Look, she's not the only person in the world to occasionally do something so vapid, but when you put yourself on a soapbox and constantly virtue signal, you sort of open yourself up to extra scrutiny.

For those who don't know, she posted a photo around the time of Stan Lee's passing, with some caption that was like "Thinking of Stan today". Meanwhile the pic is a complete glamour shot, with her whole outfit forcibly on display - purse on lap, shoes lifted to fit into the picture, fancy drink hoisted and all.

It very much seemed like an opportunity to use the spotlight of Stan's passing as a means to show off her outfit. Like when a girl posts a pic online holding a helpless toddler for a photo-op, with her tits bulging out, and insinuating, with the caption, that the picture is all about the kid. Only it's a bit worse than that.

Not the worst sin in the world, but just incredibly tasteless and even more tone-deaf. So I think even the non "neckbeards" or whatever were pretty turned off to her character by that point.

The more I think about the "Marvels" movie title, the more positive I am that the MCU has definitely begun to backtrack on Captain Marvel as their centerpiece. Every other character in a starring role has their name in the movie sequel's title, except for Brie. Kevin Feige introduced her as the "new face of the MCU" or something, so it's definitely fishy that she can't even get her name on the marquee.

Anyways, I don't mean to crucify her, but I just think she sort of dug her own hole making vapid, socially ignorant, decisions like that.
I mean, if the stepping on white guys in order to grab herself a piece of the oppression pie wasn't already enough.

[IMJ]

I think Brie Larson really showed her ass when she posted that incredibly tacky "Stan Lee tribute photo".

Look, she's not the only person in the world to occasionally do something so vapid, but when you put yourself on a soapbox and constantly virtue signal, you sort of open yourself up to extra scrutiny.

For those who don't know, she posted a photo around the time of Stan Lee's passing, with some caption that was like "Thinking of Stan today". Meanwhile the pic is a complete glamour shot, with her whole outfit forcibly on display - purse on lap, shoes lifted to fit into the picture, fancy drink hoisted and all.

It very much seemed like an opportunity to use the spotlight of Stan's passing as a means to show off her outfit. Like when a girl posts a pic online holding a helpless toddler for a photo-op, with her tits bulging out, and insinuating, with the caption, that the picture is all about the kid. Only it's a bit worse than that.

Not the worst sin in the world, but just incredibly tasteless and even more tone-deaf. So I think even the non "neckbeards" or whatever were pretty turned off to her character by that point.

The more I think about the "Marvels" movie title, the more positive I am that the MCU has definitely begun to backtrack on Captain Marvel as their centerpiece. Every other character in a starring role has their name in the movie sequel's title, except for Brie. Kevin Feige introduced her as the "new face of the MCU" or something, so it's definitely fishy that she can't even get her name on the marquee.

Anyways, I don't mean to crucify her, but I just think she sort of dug her own hole making vapid, socially ignorant, decisions like that.
I mean, if the stepping on white guys in order to grab herself a piece of the oppression pie wasn't already enough.

Pretty much all of this.

[ZariusTwo]

Was just doing some checking, and Doomcock (Future ruler of Earth) did say his sources told him, two years ago, that Disney lost faith in Brie.

[Andrew NDB]

Oh no...

https://insidethemagic.net/2021/05/brie-larson-star-wars-mara-jade-rwb1/

[oldmanwinters]

Oh no...

https://insidethemagic.net/2021/05/brie-larson-star-wars-mara-jade-rwb1/

One the plus side, I'm glad Disney isn't ignoring the Mara Jade history. I'm not intimately familiar with the literary source material though... isn't MJ a fairly stoic character?

[IMJ]

I thought that Brie Larson was gay? By a leftist standards, she doesn't have the right to empathize with or play a straight woman.

[oldmanwinters]

I thought that Brie Larson was gay? By a leftist standards, she doesn't have the right to empathize with or play a straight woman.

Meh, who knows how they'll re-interpret Luke's sexual identity... maybe they'll end up yoked together in a non-binary... something.

[neatoman]

Oh no...

https://insidethemagic.net/2021/05/brie-larson-star-wars-mara-jade-rwb1/

The ****? Maybe people didn't like The Last Jedi but if Disney's going to insist it is canon then they damn well better make sure to be consistant with it. It effectively makes me think she'll be less like his wife here, and more like his booty call when he got bored being blue milk chugging hermit from time to time.

[IMJ]

Meh, who knows how they'll re-interpret Luke's sexual identity... maybe they'll end up yoked together in a non-binary... something.

Whatever it is it would be anything but a white dude having a threesome with two other space-chicks.... :lol::lol::lol: All sexuality exists except for that, according to these people I'm sure. :roll:

[Autbot_Benz]

bumped to 2/17/23

https://comicbook.com/marvel/news/marvel-doctor-strange-2-thor-4-release-date-delay/

[Andrew NDB]

Just when she (and everyone else) thought she was done with her publicity manager's penance... Brie Larson is back on YouTube. And boy does she seem miserable about having to.

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And apparently she still never leaves her house because it isn't "safe" yet? This should be a lovely series of new videos.

[Andrew NDB]

...(Delete)...

[Leo656]

Would still smash, but she's lookin' pretty coke-skinny. I don't remember her legs being so stick-like.

Someone get this kid a sammich.

[AquaParade]

It's interesting how the blowback seemed to actually work. Marvel really stopped pushing Brie. Sure, she's not going away, but she's certainly not the new Iron Man, as it seemed to be implied (although maybe I'm misremembering).

There's been rumors for practically everyone but Brie to show up in Dr Strange 2. Seems no one really cares.

[IMJ]

It's interesting how the blowback seemed to actually work. Marvel really stopped pushing Brie. Sure, she's not going away, but she's certainly not the new Iron Man, as it seemed to be implied (although maybe I'm misremembering).

There's been rumors for practically everyone but Brie to show up in Dr Strange 2. Seems no one really cares.

Just like most leftist virtue signaling over the last few years they ran their mouths and when it failed they did everything possible to make it look successful and now they can't just wash their hands of her because they were so loud about their BS in the past.

Everything is about "bombastic virtue signaling" and when it fails it's about the "slow quiet and drawn out release" so as not to appear failed. Look at every single instance of this. That's how it is. It's all a leftist lie. And it works - because the sheeple who get on board with it in the first place also fall for the quiet fade-out.

[Andrew NDB]

It's interesting how the blowback seemed to actually work. Marvel really stopped pushing Brie. Sure, she's not going away, but she's certainly not the new Iron Man, as it seemed to be implied (although maybe I'm misremembering).

I agree, it's odd. Even if we believe report of Disney/Marvel buying out SOME seats in SOME places (I remain skeptical), it made over a billion dollars from less than a 200 million dollar budget. That's really good.

But yeah, it's hard to deny Brie is being sidelined after being touted as the next great thing, the most powerful MCU character ever and the leader of Phase 4 and onward. Since then they've been chipping away at that. She's no longer touted as the most powerful MCU character, now Feige says that's Scarlet Witch. Captain Marvel 2 quietly becomes The Marvels, relegating her to a co-star in her own franchise.

I think it really is just Feige actually having ears and eyes. Yeah, Captain Marvel did decent money... but it cost them credibility with basically more than half their audience. Nobody likes Brie Larson, not even her co-stars. And every time she opened her mouth to talk about how her stuff isn't for white men... as far as most people are concerned she is speaking for Marvel Studios, and Feige probably wasn't too keen about that.

For all the stuff about Feige being some wokester, I don't buy it. He just knows how to play the game. We didn't get one iota of woke sh** in the MCU until Marvel Studios needlessly sold themselves to Disney... then it started to creep in.

There's been rumors for practically everyone but Brie to show up in Dr Strange 2. Seems no one really cares.

They did stuff her into the end credits scene of Eternals. Or was that Shang Chi? I don't even remember anymore. Maybe that was a "tester" to see if anyone cared to see her back.

[Leo656]

I did like her in "Kong: Skull Island".

[Autbot_Benz]

They did stuff her into the end credits scene of Eternals. Or was that Shang Chi? I don't even remember anymore. Maybe that was a "tester" to see if anyone cared to see her back.

It was Shang Chi it was her and Banner

[TigerClaw]

Captain Marvel 2 now in production.
https://twitter.com/brielarson/status/1494767887864643584

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FL57eGrUUAEPEns?format=jpg&name=small

[Sumac]

Is that a hint that Larson has as much emotions as a chair?

[drgon78]

A chair would be more useful on a movie set.

[ZariusTwo]

Captain Marvel 2 now in production.
https://twitter.com/brielarson/status/1494767887864643584

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FL57eGrUUAEPEns?format=jpg&name=small

I thought work on this started ages ago

[Autbot_Benz]

Captain Marvel sequel, The Marvels, previously on that February date now goes to July 28 next year.

https://deadline.com/2022/04/ant-man-and-the-wasp-quantumania-the-marvels-swap-release-dates-1235013181/

[Andrew NDB]

Captain Marvel sequel, The Marvels, previously on that February date now goes to July 28 next year.

https://deadline.com/2022/04/ant-man-and-the-wasp-quantumania-the-marvels-swap-release-dates-1235013181/

Good grief. Will anyone even remember Captain Marvel by then?

[Andrew NDB]

Is it just me, or is she turning into Heath Ledger? Call me crazy, but just watch her talk a little bit.

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And yeesh. Someone needs to tell her publicist that this sh** isn't helping, it's hurting.

[Andrew NDB]

Her publicist-mandated social media outreach continues:

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[Coola Yagami]

Her publicist-mandated social media outreach continues:

DaiUsATSEoE

She should do like some instagram models do and do some squats and keep track of her progress. Personality aside, she's not unattractive, and she has a nice rack. All she needs is to properly fill out her jeans if you know what I mean.

[Andrew NDB]

Oh no.

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[superstaff]

I don't know about anyone else, but stuff like that video of her making tacos is the sort of thing I see, roll my eyes at, then keep scrolling or click away from the page. That goes for essentially all celebrities, even the ones I like. It's just...so "how do you do, fellow kids" except swap the 'fellow kids' for 'unwashed, poor masses'. I get that vibe a lot during those Switch commercials with Larson and the other celebrities as they (pretend to) play the Switch inside their fancy Cali mansions. :roll:

[frank_one]

The more I watch these videos the more I think she needs them, creating this stuff and talking in front of a camera is some sort of a therapy for her. She's dealing with anxiety, maybe a bit of depression as well? I hope she will be fine soon.

[Andrew NDB]

I don't know about anyone else, but stuff like that video of her making tacos is the sort of thing I see, roll my eyes at, then keep scrolling or click away from the page. That goes for essentially all celebrities, even the ones I like. It's just...so "how do you do, fellow kids" except swap the 'fellow kids' for 'unwashed, poor masses'. I get that vibe a lot during those Switch commercials with Larson and the other celebrities as they (pretend to) play the Switch inside their fancy Cali mansions. :roll:

Probably dead on here.

The more I watch these videos the more I think she needs them, creating this stuff and talking in front of a camera is some sort of a therapy for her. She's dealing with anxiety, maybe a bit of depression as well? I hope she will be fine soon.

Way more likely that this is setup by her publicist under "Strong encouragement" from Disney/Feige, whether spoken or unspoken. Obviously her whole plan in the MCU changed gears major league and everyone knows its because of how she conducts herself in interviews and otherwise and probably on set behavior with other actors. This is PR repair. The same way she was suddenly doing nice interviews with tight dresses and her boobs hanging out, which she'd never done before.

[Coola Yagami]

This is PR repair. The same way she was suddenly doing nice interviews with tight dresses and her boobs hanging out, which she'd never done before.

Wonder how that conversation went. "I'm tellin ya Brie, you gotta let the girls out to get the fans' respect back."

[Sumac]

It must be hard to make someone uncharismatic and unlikable like that to get some genuine fans.

[ZariusTwo]

So a special mini-movie with some of the New Avengers was filmed for the Disney Cruise ride "Quantum Encounter" and it inlcudes Brie

https://comicbook.com/marvel/news/captain-marvel-meets-new-captain-america-sam-wilson-avengers-quantum-encounter-footage/

[Andrew NDB]

More PR work from Brie:

https://www.screengeek.net/2022/07/07/brie-larson-bikini-sprinkler-instagram-post/

[Sumac]

She needs like a whole truck of it to make her likeable, I feel.

[Andrew NDB]

This gives you some idea of what to expect in The Marvels:

https://cosmicbook.news/brie-larson-zawe-ashton-sexual-tension-marvels

[IMJ]

This gives you some idea of what to expect in The Marvels:

https://cosmicbook.news/brie-larson-zawe-ashton-sexual-tension-marvels

Ahhhh... the important things in your super-hero movies. :roll:

[Sumac]

They either manufacture a controversy or let it die, since I don't think a lot of people will go to Marvels, especially in light of latest MCU "successes".

[Andrew NDB]

They either manufacture a controversy or let it die, since I don't think a lot of people will go to Marvels, especially in light of latest MCU "successes".

I believe you're going to be right.

[Sumac]

The big question is how much longer they will squeeze this fruit before it's totally dry. I'm surprised that people still care about this franchise when it's getting close to 15 years old.

They've run all their a-list characters into the ground. All they're left with is the B-listers who are boring on their own and are barely serviceable in an Avengers-style team-up.

Hopefully, they'll correct the course and bring in a few new actors to play the fan favorites. Then again, this is Disney, and they're almost too big to fail. I feel they'd instead run this **** into the ground before they admit they've made mistakes.
I mean, people do care about Star Trek, since it is still releases new series and movies or a Doctor Who and both this series are much older than MCU by almost quarter of century. In many ways MCU is closer to the TV series, just put onto the big screen as opposed to TV. Though nowadays it is equally TV shows as well.

As for running characters into the ground - yeah, this is a major issue. A lot of people were interested in MCU, because, Cap and Iron Man, without them no-one have interested in random no names, who take their place. Woke or not. Its like removing most prominent star of your TV series and expecting it to be as successful as before.

If they'd finished MCU with an Endgame I could understand it. But instead they carry on, like nothing had happened, which looks like some failed bout of necromancy.

They best hope is to get good actors to play interesting characters, who audience would CARE for. But so far they fail at it.

And, yeah, Disney is unlikely to admit their defeat.

[IMJ]

My guess is that hand's down no Marvel actor is getting re-cast for a real reboot until two things happen:

1) They are sure that Downey is done, 100%. And that won't happen until he does his big encore in a return in an Avengers flick, probably to die all over again.

2) They are sure that the fandom has walked away from the replacement character motif (race swap, gender swap, inherited mantle, etc).

Once those two criteria are in, then and only then, IMO, will we hear about recastings and true reboots.

[Andrew NDB]

https://i.ibb.co/bN0DLD4/Screenshot-20220825-093628-Facebook.jpg

Is this considered "hot" to anyone? She is looking frail and gaunt, hardly superheroine-esque. Like a super skinny Heath Ledger.

[Coola Yagami]

she looks like i'd imagine her mom would look like....

[Sumac]

https://i.ibb.co/bN0DLD4/Screenshot-20220825-093628-Facebook.jpg

Is this considered "hot" to anyone? She is looking frail and gaunt, hardly superheroine-esque. Like a super skinny Heath Ledger.
Is everything alright with her? She looks unhealthy kind of.
And why her tits are almost on the level of her stomach?

Not a flattering photo.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Is everything alright with her? She looks unhealthy kind of.

Her current state reflects that of the MCU’s, if you ask me.

[AquaParade]

She stinks but this type of thing is why her "haters" end up looking bad.

[frank_one]

She doesn't look unhealthy to me, just way too skinny, badly dressed and with no make up at all.

[IMJ]

She looks like an uncertain crack whore.

[Last Ronin]

That is Captain Marvel? She just reeks of liberal wokeness and fragility.

[Leo656]

She stinks but this type of thing is why her "haters" end up looking bad.

You may not have noticed this, but this whole entire forum is like an MRA convention these days.

It's not a very flattering photo at all, though. In response to Sumac's query about her saggy boobs I was gonna just say "She's getting older", but a quick skim of Wikipedia tells me that she's only like 32. So yeah, that's a bit unfortunate. I guess she just doesn't take care of herself.

[Sumac]

I guess she just doesn't take care of herself.
Taking care of yourself is sexist now, don't you know?

[Leo656]

I know. For example, I've seen a ton of people defending Lizzo's right to post nude pics, and I think Elon Musk should send a rocket ship full of those people straight into the sun. Like why not just go to the zoo and sexualize the goddamn elephants? It's the same goddamn thing at that point.

I do look forward to the days when women can be hot again and that's not considered a shameful or immoral thing, just to work out and dress to impress... but I think we've got a long way to go yet. We're still very much in "Being fat and hairy and dressing like a complete slob is empowering to women" phase, right now.
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Also not gonna lie, when I first skimmed this page and hadn't noticed the boobs yet I though that was a picture of Matt Riddle. :lol: Brie... is one of those "always wear makeup" types, apparently. Some chicks look fine without it, but she's apparently gone a bit too heavy on the coke and vodka over the years so she probably needs a few layers on before she's "presentable". Like, every hot (or even Hot-ish) chick starts turning into Chelsea Handler after too long on the Coke & Vodka Diet, it's just unavoidable.

[Coola Yagami]

. For example, I've seen a ton of people defending Lizzo's right to post nude pics,

I do look forward to the days when women can be hot again and that's not considered a shameful or immoral thing.

I remember it wasn't long ago when Adele, who was kinda heavy, decided to lose weight for her own well-being and I guess to look hot, and all the whales started calling her fatphobic and a traitor to whatever the acceptable term for land whales is nowadays.

I just realized, despite trying to use terms like thick, plus size and whatnot, they still call it FATphobic. Strange.

[Andrew NDB]

Yes, that's it. We're scared of fat people. Terrified.

[Leo656]

I'm with Lois Griffin's brother Patrick, aka "The Fat Guy Strangler".

Which is to say, being fat is immoral and indecent. I don't quite take it as far as he did, but I agree wholeheartedly with his principle, if not how he chooses to express himself.

I however, personally, refrain from strangling fat people because it takes far too long. On account of all the chub under their multiple chins prevents one from getting a decent grip on them in the first place. It is not a very efficient way of disposing of fat people, and is perhaps only the second least-efficient way just before begging them to diet and exercise. The most efficient would be to simply drop a crate full of Entenmanns into the ocean on a crowded beach and let nature take its course.

I have very strong opinions about fat people.

[Sumac]

I remember it wasn't long ago when Adele, who was kinda heavy, decided to lose weight for her own well-being and I guess to look hot, and all the whales started calling her fatphobic and a traitor to whatever the acceptable term for land whales is nowadays.
Imagine being so dumb, fat and lazy, that people who decide to care about themselves and probably save their lives in the process, are considered bigots in your eyes. Imagine supporting these kind of people and consider yourself on a right side of history.

Peak clown world ****.

[Andrew NDB]

She's unsure if she'll ever reprise the role, seems like she doubts anyone even wants her to:

https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1568727667746435072?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1568727667746435072%7Ctwgr% 5E013a4fcbd9e03f882c9d8718aae1c8b2b7dc083d%7Ctwcon %5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fcosmicbook.news%2Fbrie-larson-captain-marvel-future-exit-rumors

[Coola Yagami]

She's unsure if she'll ever reprise the role, seems like she doubts anyone even wants her to:

https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1568727667746435072?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1568727667746435072%7Ctwgr% 5E013a4fcbd9e03f882c9d8718aae1c8b2b7dc083d%7Ctwcon %5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fcosmicbook.news%2Fbrie-larson-captain-marvel-future-exit-rumors

ahhh you beat me to it lol.

[AquaParade]

Could be:

A. Nothing

B. A clever way for her to get press.

C. She actually feels that way.

It does seem that Marvel slowed down the hype-train for her character.

It's been too long to remember what Feige was saying about her, when she debuted, but I seem to remember a lot of implications that she would be the new "face" of the MCU, and we've seen nothing to reflect that in the years since. They could have tried much harder.

I don't know. She annoyed me with her lame comments and apparently vain personality, but I feel a little bad for her at this point, if that is the case. Simply because I don't think anyone is deserving of the type of hate online-mobs are capable of dishing out these days. It's just too much for anyone, imo. Some of it is necessary, but it's not measured.

She's gotten it pretty bad. At this point, I hope she takes her supporting role in the MCU and is happy with it. That'd be nice.

[Andrew NDB]

Do we think The Marvels will bomb? If so, I've got to wonder what Marvel/Disney will do. If she's not even useful to prop up Ms. Marvel and the other one, what good is she?

[neatoman]

Well, legitimately and without any sarcasm, does anyone really care if Brie Cheese comes back after this movie? As in a normal sense of caring about it?

She gave a lackluster performance each time she played the character, she seemed kind of bored and confused every time, the first movie had a bad plot, the character's arc makes no sense in any of the movies, the character seemed to exist more for weird meta reasons than to be compelling in her own right, the writers seem to struggle to figure out how to fit her into any plot and her entire existence is an obviously ham-fisted retcon.

The only people who seem to care are the ones in favor of the weird meta reasons, which aren't even an expression of appreciation for the character or any of the movies themselves, more like a weird calculation of pop culture perception. And to be honest, to those kinds of people it doesn't even matter if they even go to see these movies or not, what matters to them is that a lot of people do and are thus exposed to something that fits criteria of what they consider to be good in a... Cultural sense, I think? Like, if these movies were a niche thing that barely made any money or cultural impact, it would have been irrelevant to them if Carol continued to be a character in them regardless of whether or not they watched the movies themselves. And had the biggest movies on earth instead been about gender-less alien blobs with almost nothing that could relate to humans or human culture, these people would still push for there to be a character who ticks the same boxes by which they judged Carol Danvers to be an important factor.

[ChosenOne]

Marvel Studios can always swap her out for Melissa Benoist, they're pretty much interchangeable in every way.

As for The Marvels... No Moonstone, no sell.

[neatoman]

Do we think The Marvels will bomb? If so, I've got to wonder what Marvel/Disney will do. If she's not even useful to prop up Ms. Marvel and the other one, what good is she?

Bomb as in "this movie flat out made less money than it cost to make" or bomb as in "it will be kind of difficult to justify a third one because it made less than projected"? If it's the former, I seriously doubt it, plenty of people (myself included I must admit) go watch these movies regardless of reviews or word of mouth. If it's the latter... That's a bit more believable. I don't think anyone would be shocked if it turns out Eternals or Shang-Shi don't get direct sequels, and while Doctor Strange 2 and Thor 4 still made enough money, I don't really think anyone cares about them beyond the ties to the previous better installments and ties to future installments.

[IMJ]

There is still a standing argument to be had about the reality of the box office take for the first one given that there is some serious arguments that Marvel marketing pumped marketing money into buying tickets at theaters whose owners then went in and recorded empty theaters with sold out seats.

So who knows what the reality of the next box office will be.

There where also deniers that people hated Brie Larson and that Marvel would never lie about how accepted she was across the fandom. Now she's been recorded telling a "Journalist" - "hey does anyone want me back as Captain Marvel? I don't know..."

Absolute admission right there regarding the reality of the public and that movie even though Marvel false flagged that it was all great.

[Coola Yagami]

There is still a standing argument to be had about the reality of the box office take for the first one given that there is some serious arguments that Marvel marketing pumped marketing money into buying tickets at theaters whose owners then went in and recorded empty theaters with sold out seats.

So who knows what the reality of the next box office will be.

There where also deniers that people hated Brie Larson and that Marvel would never lie about how accepted she was across the fandom. Now she's been recorded telling a "Journalist" - "hey does anyone want me back as Captain Marvel? I don't know..."

Absolute admission right there regarding the reality of the public and that movie even though Marvel false flagged that it was all great.

Exactly. "Does anybody want me back?" is the exact opposite of OMG so awesome, Captain Marvel clearly sold out seats because Brie was so awesome as Captain Marvel, the bestest Avenger ever-er!

[Sumac]

She's unsure if she'll ever reprise the role, seems like she doubts anyone even wants her to:

https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1568727667746435072?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1568727667746435072%7Ctwgr% 5E013a4fcbd9e03f882c9d8718aae1c8b2b7dc083d%7Ctwcon %5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fcosmicbook.news%2Fbrie-larson-captain-marvel-future-exit-rumors
Either rising her stakes or she finally figured out that Captain Marvel is just a gimmick for a "current year" and she is promoted not on a strength and likeability of her character (which is mostly absent), but on a fact she is a woman and nothing else. Not even a great actress.

[Galactus]

There is still a standing argument to be had about the reality of the box office take for the first one given that there is some serious arguments that Marvel marketing pumped marketing money into buying tickets at theaters whose owners then went in and recorded empty theaters with sold out seats.

It's still a standing argument because people with an agenda wont let it die even though there is zero credible evidence of it and the whole idea that Disney bought mass amount of tickets and the movie just played to empty theatres all across is so stupid only idiots take that conspiracy theory seriously.

So who knows what the reality of the next box office will be.

Probably a lot less than a billion that the first one but still financially profitable...then again Multiverse of Madness fell only a bit shy of a billion and that's with it being tonally divisive and not being released in certain markets. Given that The Marvels is going to tonally different to the first it could suprise us and do even better.


Either rising her stakes or she finally figured out that Captain Marvel is just a gimmick for a "current year" and she is promoted not on a strength and likeability of her character (which is mostly absent), but on a fact she is a woman and nothing else. Not even a great actress.

Just to be clear no version of Captain Marvel put out by Marvel the comics company has ever been popular. The only reason they keep trying to is to retain the copyright on the name.

The original Mar-Vell was a flop even when the gave him a quasi reboot. He's only gained a sense of importance because some writers really liked the mythology behind the character and successfully used it in other books. Monica Rambeau developed a cult following as a member of the Avengers but I don't think it was ever enough to sustain a solo book. Genis-Vell was also a failure and I say that as someone who enjoyed both volumes of his title.

The only one that had good sales by the standards of the time is Carol. There were nothing to write home about but still pretty decent. Things dipped badly after a few years but then the movie seemed to boost sales.

[IMJ]

It's still a standing argument because people with an agenda wont let it die even though there is zero credible evidence of it and the whole idea that Disney bought mass amount of tickets and the movie just played to empty theatres all across is so stupid only idiots take that conspiracy theory seriously.

We are talking about corporate deflection here - the very nature of business in an office in America. And besides, why would the theater owners who took the movies be incentivized to make that up?

One position in this very plausible conspiracy is born of marketing budgets and doing anything to save the face of a billion dollar movie machine. The other position is that a series of small business owners just decided to put themselves out there in society with this information to lie or "spread hate". :roll:

It's an incredibly plausible scenario. And measure all of that against the great public who does not like Brie Larsen. You are going to tell me the all of the white males who saw the Avengers also went and saw Captain Marvel to raise close to the same box office?!?

[Sumac]

It's still a standing argument because people with an agenda wont let it die even though there is zero credible evidence of it and the whole idea that Disney bought mass amount of tickets and the movie just played to empty theatres all across is so stupid only idiots take that conspiracy theory seriously.
If people with agenda can claim that everyone who don't like Larson or Captain Marvel are horrible Nazis and sexists, than an opposite theory, based on corporate greed and pride, can exist.
B - Balance.

Just to be clear no version of Captain Marvel put out by Marvel the comics company has ever been popular. The only reason they keep trying to is to retain the copyright on the name.
Thanks for being self-illustrating article about conspiracy theories created by people with agenda and believed by idiots with agenda or without.

Also, it was obvious that Marvel were trying to push her as some sort of equivalent of the Wonder Woman, since Marvel doesn't have "pre-made" super popular female superhero from comic books or all of them are coming or tied to X-Men, which they couldn't use back than.

They wouldn't spend millions on marketing and pretending her to be an integral part of the End Game, just to keep copyrights.

[Andrew NDB]

The Marvels director on how the worst moment in Avengers: Endgame should have been 2 hours:

https://comicbookmovie.com/captain_marvel/the_marvels/the-marvels-director-nia-dacosta-explains-why-avengers-endgames-a-force-moments-annoyed-her-a196982#gs.e703.cyojis

[Leo656]

That's like saying the ending of Ghostbusters: Afterlife with Spengs should've been the entire movie. Like yeah, nah. A fist-pump moment shouldn't overstay its welcome. And for what it's worth I've only ever heard that "Girl Power" scene in the Avengers joint described as "cringe-y, cheesy, and forced". Whatever emotional response the filmmakers were trying to go for, they apparently managed the complete opposite. I obviously haven't seen the movie but I've never heard a single person say otherwise.

[Andrew NDB]

I get what you're saying but equating the "Spengler moment" to THAT moment... yikes. Though I know you mean what it means to certain people like The Marvels director.

[Andrew NDB]

More of the Brie Larson PR apology tour:

https://cosmicbook.news/brie-larson-shows-space-buns

[Andrew NDB]

Brie's "new look":

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/brie-larson-flaunts-fit-physique-shocks-fans-new-look

But it's probably for Fast X.

[Coola Yagami]

Brie's "new look":

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/brie-larson-flaunts-fit-physique-shocks-fans-new-look

But it's probably for Fast X.

lmao

shocks fans. what fans?

Rebellious nature. Rebel against what? She's too old for her parents to tell her 'don't get tattoos' and if she really wanted to be bold and rebel, she'd reject wokeness.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Rebellious nature. Rebel against what? She's too old for her parents to tell her 'don't get tattoos' and if she really wanted to be bold and rebel, she'd reject wokeness.

And they’re not even permanent tattoos. Yeah, how rebellious.

[Coola Yagami]

And they’re not even permanent tattoos. Yeah, how rebellious.

To quote early 2000's Cybercubed....

lol what?

[neatoman]

Brie's "new look":

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/brie-larson-flaunts-fit-physique-shocks-fans-new-look

But it's probably for Fast X.

... She, uh... She looks a bit skinny here... Is she going to have to wear a small muscle suit to sell the superhero look in this movie?

[Andrew NDB]

... She, uh... She looks a bit skinny here... Is she going to have to wear a small muscle suit to sell the superhero look in this movie?

Maybe they want the black one from Wandavision to be the muscular one?

[Autbot_Benz]

not that anyone gives a **** on this forum.

https://i.imgur.com/Fa7kLVA.jpg

The Marvels has been pushed to November 10th of this year

[Andrew NDB]

https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExOWU2YjkzZjVmYTc1MjAwYTgzNWFjZjU 0NDlkOWU0MzRjNzBkMTRhYSZjdD1n/6SowgHv28zoHlR0USP/giphy-downsized-large.gif

[ChosenOne]

not that anyone gives a **** on this forum.

https://i.imgur.com/Fa7kLVA.jpg

The Marvels has been pushed to November 10th of this year

I'm actually a huge Monica Rambeau fan, got tears of happiness in my eyes when she got her powers crossing the hex field in WandaVision, and am very much looking forward to seeing her again.

[ZariusTwo]

Cheese Larson not good enough for the summer slate, she's not even at the top of the poster.

Also shows a total lack of faith in the stars of the streaming side too.

The fatigue is real, and their sun is setting.

[Coola Yagami]

not that anyone gives a **** on this forum.

https://i.imgur.com/Fa7kLVA.jpg

The Marvels has been pushed to November 10th of this year

I mean.... we really haven't been given a reason to care. And still don't. Hopefully Rogue comes in and does her thing.

[frank_one]

That has to be one of the worst movie posters I've ever seen.

[Andrew NDB]

I mean.... we really haven't been given a reason to care.

The original had a few things going for it in marketing. It was a 90s prequel to the MCU, with CGIed Sam Jackson and Coulson teaming up in an origin story for Captain Marvel. And look! There's Blockbuster Video in the trailer! Remember Blockbuster Video? etc., etc., and some dusting of "You liked Wonder Woman, right? Well this is Marvel Wonder Woman" to add to the pot.

This? I don't really see the draw. The first movie was bland and ended on a "who cares." Wandavision was fine but I hardly came out of it looking forward to seeing what happens next with Monica Rambeau. And like most people, I couldn't be bothered to even watch Ms. Marvel so not interested in Ms. Marvel at all. Though apparently she steals the movie?

https://boundingintocomics.com/2023/02/16/after-claiming-brie-larsons-captain-marvel-would-be-at-the-forefront-of-the-mcu-kevin-feige-now-says-kamala-khan-essentially-steals-the-marvels/

Hopefully Rogue comes in and does her thing.

Right? That's the only thing I want to see here.

[Zulithe]

I've seen every MCU film in theaters. Not Ant Man 3 yet, but planning to see it Sunday. But this might be the first one I don't see... the trailer will need to win me over BIG. Brie Larson's comments have really soured me on her as an actress.

[Autbot_Benz]

I am expecting Brie to continue playing Carol with the charisma of a Rock. :lol:

[IMJ]

I'm actually a huge Monica Rambeau fan, got tears of happiness in my eyes when she got her powers crossing the hex field in WandaVision, and am very much looking forward to seeing her again.

I am too. Always thought she was a great 3rd tier Avenger, loved her in Avengers: Infinity drawn by Sean Chen, and a variety of other appearances she's made. I also think the actress playing her is gorgeous and she did a great job on WandaVision.

But with that said, not giving this flick a dime for a variety of other reasons. But had they killed off Brie Larson, not given Kamala Khan "Quantum Bands", and then instead made this one a "Photon" flick, I'd be down.

[ChosenOne]

I also think the actress playing her is gorgeous (...)

Damn straight.

[Sumac]

Concept is good - execution not so much.

[Coola Yagami]

But with that said, not giving this flick a dime for a variety of other reasons. But had they killed off Brie Larson, not given Kamala Khan "Quantum Bands", and then instead made this one a "Photon" flick, I'd be down.

Now that would have been interesting.

[Coola Yagami]

This? I don't really see the draw.

Pretty sure the 'draw' is just 'it's a Marvel a movie'. That's all the average consumer needs.

[Andrew NDB]

Probably Captain Two Moms shows up in this, too.

[Autbot_Benz]

On tonight's episode of The Hot Mic, Sneider said he'd heard that star Brie Larson has not been the easiest to work with (the word "nightmare" was used), and has clashed with co-star Teyonah Parris. We're not exactly sure why or how this could impact the film's post-production process, but Sneider suggested that there has been some diva-like behaviour behind-the-scenes.

Apparently, Larson wasn't happy that the sequel was titled The Marvels and not "Captain Marvel 2," because she feels the franchise was originally built around her being cast

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if this is true. I was listening to this podcast when he broke this and laughed

https://comicbookmovie.com/captain-marvel/the-marvels/the-marvels-delay-rumored-to-be-down-to-behind-the-scenes-drama-with-star-brie-larson-a200969#gs.s59852

[IMJ]

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if this is true. I was listening to this podcast when he broke this and laughed

https://comicbookmovie.com/captain-marvel/the-marvels/the-marvels-delay-rumored-to-be-down-to-behind-the-scenes-drama-with-star-brie-larson-a200969#gs.s59852

I wouldn't be surprised at it either. Also, rumors like that are historically exaggerated about people - especially when people are disliked (Brie). But you know... they come from somewhere.

[Sumac]

I wouldn't be surprised at it either. Also, rumors like that are historically exaggerated about people - especially when people are disliked (Brie). But you know... they come from somewhere.
I would be pissed to, if series build around character I play was retooled into a team movie, but I would try to figure "why is that had happened?" as opposed to being angry. Or at least, besides, being angry.

[AquaParade]

She did let out that 'Does anyone even want me back?' pretty recently. I could see that being spurred partially by the title of the sequel.

Generally speaking, something happened over the last few years, which took her from being their "new Iron Man" to where we are now. Even if it was just her being generally hard to deal with.

I mean, how can you not get that impression from her if you're paying attention? She seems very self-absorbed. Sorry, that's the impression I get, no bias.

Can't deny it's satisfying to see she wasn't elevated for acting like a snob.

[Andrew NDB]

I mean, how can you not get that impression from her if you're paying attention? She seems very self-absorbed. Sorry, that's the impression I get, no bias.

What could possibly give you that idea?

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[Autbot_Benz]

I mean, how can you not get that impression from her if you're paying attention? She seems very self-absorbed. Sorry, that's the impression I get, no bias.

Can't deny it's satisfying to see she wasn't elevated for acting like a snob.

It's not just you. she always gives off this I'm better than you vibe

[AquaParade]

The awful way she reacted to the "Wrinkle in Time" review was the first sign for me. Whatever point she may have had, she went about it the wrong way and used the moment to attack people and try to secure her place on the side of the oppressed.

Then there was the utterly vapid selfie she took when Stan Lee passed. It was captioned "RIP Stan Lee", but was clearly just an excuse to post her outfit. I don't have time for anyone like that. So transparent, she was called out on it.

[Andrew NDB]

It's not just you. she always gives off this I'm better than you vibe

And/or more enlightened than you, the little people who don't know any better. And all of the sudden press tour stuff with her showing up in super skimpy outfits to interviews out of nowhere... all of it smacks of her looking down her nose at us in the wake of Captain Marvel hamstringing her persona. You can see it in her eyes. "OK, you disgusting men who probably don't even recycle. Are you happy now? You better be happy now! Can I get back to being a moviestar now? Will somebody call, already?"

[ChosenOne]

And/or more enlightened than you, the little people who don't know any better. And all of the sudden press tour stuff with her showing up in super skimpy outfits to interviews out of nowhere... all of it smacks of her looking down her nose at us in the wake of Captain Marvel hamstringing her persona. You can see it in her eyes. "OK, you disgusting men who probably don't even recycle. Are you happy now? You better be happy now! Can I get back to being a moviestar now? Will somebody call, already?"

If she'll just wait a few years, I'm sure the good folks over at GirlsGoneGyno will hire her.

[neatoman]

Hey, so what are the odds of Rogue stealing her powers and Carol herself just kind of going away as a result right now?

[AquaParade]

What could possibly give you that idea?

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Yeah, obviously you chose this example for a reason but I still have to ask: am I the only one cringing that she is referring to the Disneyland ride as "my ride"??

I'm admittedly starting to feel bad for hating on her so much, but man, people don't turn on you like that for no reason. I'm starting to think she's just extremely socially awkward and it kinda makes her come across as a snob. Idk.

Edit: BTW, Jeff Sneider is pretty reliable imo.

[Andrew NDB]

I feel like I've already read this. But here it is again. Still says a lot:

https://fandomwire.com/its-bad-shame-on-you-scarlett-johansson-felt-insulted-after-her-avengers-end-game-co-star-brie-larson-did-not-care-about-their-first-meeting/

[AquaParade]

Brie giving herself away by projecting there, imo. She thinks of everyone else as “glorified extras” so surely Scarlett does too, in Brie’d mind.
From what I’ve seen, when Brie walks in a room, it’s “The Brie Show”.

I mean, she does have her own ride.

[Andrew NDB]

lol... damn, it's available on demand right now digitally. Which means it's pretty much available to all for free.

*edit: I meant Shazam 2. Sorry.

[Andrew NDB]

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You guys think this isn't going to bomb?

[Autbot_Benz]

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You guys think this isn't going to bomb?

Kamala is really annoying in this trailer if that's how she is I don't wanna see anymore. I see Brie still hasn't figured out how to give Carol some Charisma.

Skipping this one

[neatoman]

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You guys think this isn't going to bomb?

My immediate reaction was that this looks like an episode of STD.

[Andrew NDB]

I'd bet that the Ms. Marvel Disney+ show that nobody watched will actually hurt, not help this. Because who in their right mind would want to sit through such a thing in order to get up to speed for this movie? I can't fathom.

[Galactus]

You guys think this isn't going to bomb?

I doubt it will make a billion like the first movie but it will do decent to good box office.

The reaction from regular folk not obsessed with culture wars seems to be positive. The general consensus is this is MCU humour 'done right'. While the style of humour just based on the trailer is definitely different to something like Love & Thunder I would argue this is more MCU humour done at the right time. The cycle of people getting sick of superhero movies (and Marvel ones in particular) and predicting the fall of the genre before one comes along that looks good and people are reminded why the liked them in the first place used to happen over the stretch of years now lasts mere months.


I'd bet that the Ms. Marvel Disney+ show that nobody watched will actually*hurt, not*help*this. Because who in their right mind would want to sit through such a thing in order to get up to speed for this movie? I can't fathom

Presumably this is based on the fact that Ms Marvel has the lowest rating of all the Disney+ shows. Thing is that's out of date information as it seems positive word of mouth had increased it's views so it's no longer the least watched MCU Disney+ show. Pour one out for poor Hawkeye. Still even when it was the least watched show it still outperformed things like Peacemaker which everyone who watched seemed to love and helped solidify Gunn's new role with DC.

Another interesting thing about Ms Marvel the series is that demographics skewed younger and female compared to the other Marvel tv series. I think that will likely be another positive factor in how this movie does commercially. Not a surprise the movie is pulling a lot from that show.

I'm not sure why anyone who hasn't watched the show would be put off anyway. One of the big things about the MCU is apart from the really important movies like Civil War, Infinity War and Endgame you don't have to watch them all to understand them. Since they are incorporating the scene were Carol and Kamala switch places it looks like they are setting up the basics of her character more than Multiverse of Madness set up Wanda's backstory and I don't recall anyone saying they couldn't watch or understand Doctor Strange 2 until they'd seen Wandavision.

[Andrew NDB]

I doubt it will make a billion like the first movie but it will do decent to good box office.

Based on what, though? People didn't even bother turning on their TVs to watch Ms. Marvel (https://www.nme.com/news/tv/ms-marvel-earns-lowest-viewership-of-any-marvel-disney-show-3251555), now they're suddenly going to flood the theaters?

Another interesting thing about Ms Marvel the series is that demographics skewed younger and female compared to the other Marvel tv series.

It doesn't really exist. Not in numbers that will move the meter. Willing it into existence doesn't work, either.

Since they are incorporating the scene were Carol and Kamala switch places it looks like they are setting up the basics of her character more than Multiverse of Madness set up Wanda's backstory and I don't recall anyone saying they weren't going to watch Doctor Strange until they's seen Wandavision.

Where were you? Even here there were people, at least bemoaning that there's too much MCU stuff, that "Why should I have to see Wandavision before seeing Doctor Strange 2?"

[Galactus]

Based on what, though? People didn't even bother turning on their TVs to watch Ms. Marvel (https://www.nme.com/news/tv/ms-marvel-earns-lowest-viewership-of-any-marvel-disney-show-3251555), now they're suddenly going to flood the theaters?[

I'm not saying people will flock to the theatres to watch The Marvels simply because of Ms Marvel. As I pointed out from the trailers it looks like they will be seeding Kamala's backstory into the plot of the movie so it's clearly not required viewing for the movie. What I am arguing though it's that it's not going to be much (or any) hindrance to the movie doing well.

I don't know why you posted a link to when the series premiered. I already said it's no longer true and even when it was being the least watched Disney+ MCU show still makes it more watched than a lot of other shows that people hype up as genre changing.

Where were you? Even here there were people, at least bemoaning that there's too much MCU stuff, that "Why should I have to see Wandavision before seeing Doctor Strange 2?"

...and Doctor Strange 2 was a huge financial hit. Clearly it wasn't much of a problem.

[Sumac]

...and Doctor Strange 2 was a huge financial hit. Clearly it wasn't much of a problem.
Compared to other MCU movies?
Hahahahaha, NO. It wasn't.

I don't know why you posted a link to when the series premiered. I already said it's no longer true and even when it was being the least watched Disney+ MCU show still makes it more watched than a lot of other shows that people hype up as genre changing.
Its like saying: "no matter that this show being watched by only 4 people, it is still 2 people more than other shows, which watched by 2 people". :lol:
But if it is the best argument you can put out, well...:lol:

[Galactus]

Compared to other MCU movies?
Hahahahaha, NO. It wasn't.

It earned nearly a billion dollars. I'd say that is huge financial success despite it being banned in certain countries.

Its like saying: "no matter that this show being watched by only 4 people, it is still 2 people more than other shows, which watched by 2 people". :lol:
But if it is the best argument you can put out, well...:lol:

Well no...it's the opposite to that. Being (at the time) least popular MCU Disney+ show still meant that it was way more popular than a bunch of other supposedly popular shows.

[neatoman]

I'm still convinced that the first one only made as much money as it because it was sandwiched in between Infinity War and Endgame, along with some indication that it would be important understand the latter. I suspect something similar happened with Black Panther, as I don't think it's a coincidence that Black Panther 2 made way less money than Black Panther 1. Although I can see alternative reasons as to why people would like Black Panther 1, which probably explain why Black Panther 2 still isn't a commercial failure by any means. And to be fair, none of that explains the mediocre performance of Ant-Man 2, maybe nobody bought that Ant-Man was going to be important to understand Endgame?
Even though technically it's arguable that Ant-Man 2 is more important to understand Endgame because the entire plot hinged on the cliffhanger from Ant-Man 2, while Wakanda as a setting could be inferred from Civil War and really only acts a setting for the climax of Infinity War. It's not like Black Panther introduced anything that important to Infinity War.

Still, I don't think this movie will be nearly as successful as the first one. At best we get a Black Panther 2 scenario in which it still does way too well for anyone to call it a commercial failure, but still far less than the first one. Most likely it will be more like Ant-Man 2, in which you can't really call it a commercial failure in a technical sense, but still made enough to justify another one. It's possible it'll be an Ant-Man 3 scenario in which it barely breaks even but I'm not betting on that. I'm not seeing the movie being an undeniable bomb, as in it fails to double the official budget, but it's still technically possible.

[Coola Yagami]

Honestly though, the movie and the concept sounds like fun. I just hope they explain why those three in particular were affected, like what connects them that their powers are interchangeable?

I do like the concept of them switching places whenever they use their powers. I just hope there's a worthwhile villain tied into it and they tone it done with the woke messaging just a tad. Just let a fun movie be a fun movie. I mean, it's literally the plot you'd find in a comic book.

I ignored all the 'metoo' garbage when watching the Black Widow movie, so I can ignore all the upcoming 'cry harder MAGA lovers, this movie with female leads did well' as long as the movie is fun.

[Andrew NDB]

Captain Marvel 1: yes, sandwiched between Infinity War and Endgame made it a must-see. Also fun 90s retro stuff in the trailers. People got burned.

Dr. Strange 2: a "multiverse of madness" was promised but it came out right after Spider-Man: No Way Home which delivered on almost the impossible. People were expecting something equivalent or even something crazier and all we got out of it was Captain Two-Moms. People got burned.

Now, with "The Marvels," it isn't riding any kind of hype from any other movie or event. It's just coming out after people are pretty fed up with Brie and people either didn't like or didn't even watch "Ms. Marvel." So if it succeeds, I admit, we'll have to conclude that maybe there's something there. If it fails, it will verify all of the aforementioned fatigue and burning or at least apathy from the previous projects.

[ZariusTwo]

Well no...it's the opposite to that. Being (at the time) least popular MCU Disney+ show still meant that it was way more popular than a bunch of other supposedly popular shows.

Then how come nobody talks that much about it compared to the other popular shows? I don't see Ms. Marvel ever entering much watercooler conversation or twitter chat outside of initial airings, where as shows like Peacemaker are a part of daily conversation and vital to understanding Gunn's future role in DC.

Ms. Marvel is also a consistent failure as a comic book, and Marvel have been reduced to shoving her into a supporting role in their god-awful Amazing Spider-Man title.

[Coola Yagami]

It earned nearly a billion dollars. I'd say that is huge financial success despite it being banned in certain countries.

.

Wasn't that kinda breaking even? Remember the more these movies cost to make (as well as marketing) they more they HAVE to earn to actually make a profit. That's why it's a bigger deal when lower budget horror films with practical effects make a couple of million but would be a flop in any other genre.

[IMJ]

Wasn't that kinda breaking even? Remember the more these movies cost to make (as well as marketing) they more they HAVE to earn to actually make a profit. That's why it's a bigger deal when lower budget horror films with practical effects make a couple of million but would be a flop in any other genre.

The truth is somewhere in between.

The "billion" gets absorbed very quickly when you consider all of the marketing costs and so on that really add to the budgets.

On the other hand the thing that nobody discusses is that these studios often pad their own budgets and cook their books for tax breaks. They also farm things out as "cost line items" such a special FX yet they are often billing companies that they secretly own.

As for the first Craptain Marvel - it had the same draw that Iron Man 3 had but in the opposite direction. Iron Man 3 was the first follow-up to the Avengers and Craptain Marvel was considered by normies to be "must-see vieing" just before Infinity War. But the goodwill for these movies is all but gone post Endgame after years of agendas, loud mouth stars and awful special effects work.

So we will see how this one goes. I don't know who their audience for this is.... young "girls of color"? No problem. They can see it.

[Galactus]

Now, with "The Marvels," it isn't riding any kind of hype from any other movie or event. It's just coming out after people are pretty fed up with Brie and people either didn't like or didn't even watch "Ms. Marvel." So if it succeeds, I admit, we'll have to conclude that maybe there's something there. If it fails, it will verify all of the aforementioned fatigue and burning or at least apathy from the previous projects.

No one is arguing that there isn't MCU fatigue. There has been over twenty of these things released regularly in the last decade. It would be bizarre if people weren't a little burned out on them. What I find silly is the constant narrative is that the whole this crumbling down and will never bounce back in an era were they have had a multi-billion dollar movie and two that nearly cracked a billion (and likely would have done if they had been released in China). Even Love and Thunder and Quantumania which revolved around the less popular characters in the franchise still did around the same as their predecessors.

Most regular people don't pay attention to Brie Larson's milquetoast socio political opinions and the few that do don't care. It certainly didn't stop the first movie from earning a billion. That movie was buoyed by a combination of it being released during peak MCU hype and being the first female led Marvel movie. I stand by my earlier prediction that while this won't be another billion earner but it will make a tidy profit. Wherever it lands I don't think this or any single movie will break or save the MCU.

Then how come nobody talks that much about it compared to the other popular shows? I don't see Ms. Marvel ever entering much watercooler conversation or twitter chat outside of initial airings, where as shows like Peacemaker are a part of daily conversation and vital to understanding Gunn's future role in DC.

Ms. Marvel is also a consistent failure as a comic book, and Marvel have been reduced to
shoving her into a supporting role in their god-awful Amazing Spider-Man title.

Ratings are based on how many people watched - not how much online conversation there is. Plus since the show was more watched by teenage girls I imagine any conversation about it may be outside of our bubble.

As for Ms Marvel being a "consistent failure" as a comic book that's just plain not true. The first volume of her book broke sales records. Her title was a big seller in digital and trade paperback for years.

Her tapering off in recently is largely seen as her being perhaps a bit too tied to her writer. When she moved on so too did most of the fans...that doesn't mean she can't bounce back. It seems they are keeping the character out there with limited series and guest roles in other books until they attempt a relaunch after this movie drops. It worked well for Miles Morales and Scarlet Witch...the former being a character whose sales had also dropped drastically since his initial high when he debuted and the latter had never had a good selling title until now.

[Coola Yagami]

That movie was buoyed by a combination of it being released during peak MCU hype and being the first female led Marvel movie.

Literally nobody cared about either. It was mostly watched because it was considered 'required viewing' before End Game, especially since Fury had a device with her logo on it at the post credits for Infinity War. That and the 90's cheese and more of Fury and Coulson (though now as much as we would have liked). No one with common sense went to see Captain Marvel because 'omg first female-led Marvel movie'. There were probably more people wondering why Black Widow didn't get a movie first.

[Andrew NDB]

You really should apply to be the next Speaker of the House, Galactus.

[Sumac]

No one is arguing that there isn't MCU fatigue. There has been over twenty of these things released regularly in the last decade. It would be bizarre if people weren't a little burned out on them. What I find silly is the constant narrative is that the whole this crumbling down and will never bounce back in an era were they have had a multi-billion dollar movie and two that nearly cracked a billion (and likely would have done if they had been released in China). Even Love and Thunder and Quantumania which revolved around the less popular characters in the franchise still did around the same as their predecessors.
If we talk about money, yes, movies were profitable. Not by the usual MCU standards, but still.
However, what is much more important than money is a critical reception among critics and people. Otherwise, DCCU won't get through multiple semi-reboots / whatever the **** going on with it for the last few years, since BVS and Justice League also gathered pretty good box-office.

I understand that you need to somehow pretend that "woke" **** has nothing to do with MCU declining and, since you are at heart is a generic CONSOOMER, like most of the SJWs, you need MCU to stay afloat, because, consuming pop culture **** is all your personality is about and otherwise you are just a shell of person, but face reality: MCU is declining and there are more reasons that fatique, and "wokeism" is being part of it.

Most regular people don't pay attention to Brie Larson's milquetoast socio political opinions and the few that do don't care. It certainly didn't stop the first movie from earning a billion.
BVS? Justice League?

Ratings are based on how many people watched - not how much online conversation there is. Plus since the show was more watched by teenage girls I imagine any conversation about it may be outside of our bubble.
And those are still pathetically low for a MCU juggernaut.

Her tapering off in recently is largely seen as her being perhaps a bit too tied to her writer. When she moved on so too did most of the fans...that doesn't mean she can't bounce back. It seems they are keeping the character out there with limited series and guest roles in other books until they attempt a relaunch after this movie drops. It worked well for Miles Morales and Scarlet Witch...the former being a character whose sales had also dropped drastically since his initial high when he debuted and the latter had never had a good selling title until now.
Cool story, bro!

[Cowabung-Gal]

Apparently Brie Larson has to start smiling now.

W-NNW8XPFgg

The poor soul, being forced to lift the corners of her mouth like that. Must be tough.

[Coola Yagami]

Apparently Brie Larson has to start smiling now.

W-NNW8XPFgg

The poor soul, being forced to lift the corners of her mouth like that. Must be tough.

Poor Brie has to pretend she actually wants to be there.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Warning: Language in this vid

sUwjWmQ8jms

Never stop telling the truth, Nerdrotic, and never stop doing your hilarious video edits. :lol:

[Dpooly84]

The only problem I do forsee with this movie is Brie, she is constantly self destructive with her ego. The actress that plays photon and ms marvel are good. My wife, my daughter and I watched all the marvel shows and we took my daughter to the first movie. I'm a marvel lifer so I give them all the leeway, I get why Brie is easy to hate, but why do so many of you pray for this to fail? It's okay to not like something without having to hate it with all your being, without ever watching it lol. I'm not saying it's going to be great, I'm just saying it's weird to be hateful towards something you've never seen

[ZariusTwo]

I'm not saying it's going to be great, I'm just saying it's weird to be hateful towards something you've never seen

That's the issue. Those against these movies and shows have eventually seen them and they've proven to be disappointments. Hating it before they see the product is understandable due to the track record.

I've been hating most of the MCU movies most of my life, there's ones I'll go to bat for, no franchise is without it's occasional hits, but the majority of them are just dumb, stake-free overly jokey s*itstains, so I've always been less than keen on them before I see it. I walked out of Wank Forever because of the sluggish pacing, not giving me a decent character to root for, had unlikeable girlbosses, and bad, bad jokes that killed the immersion.

They got lucky with the first three phases and, as Nerderotic says, had the cream of the crop writers and directors at the time. The Marvels is co-written by Zeb Wells, who's current Amazing Spider-Man comics may just be the worst fans have read since the heyday of One More Day and Sins Past. I have no hope in hell for this.

It looks cheap, it's acted cheap, has a couple of literal nobodies, from hero to actress, in the co-leads etc. This is a Disney+ special event for the little kids, not a movie.

[Autbot_Benz]

Warning: Language in this vid

sUwjWmQ8jms

Never stop telling the truth, Nerdrotic, and never stop doing your hilarious video edits. :lol:

yuck Nerdrotic

https://i.imgur.com/p6UdFIo.gif

he is the worst of all those whiny neckbeard youtubers .

[Cowabung-Gal]

yuck Nerdrotic

https://i.imgur.com/p6UdFIo.gif

he is the worst of all those whiny neckbeard youtubers .

Hey, I’ll take a whiny neckbeard YouTuber who tells the truth over a clean-cut corporate shill who shamelessly licks Disney’s toes and pretends that everything’s hunky dory.

[ZariusTwo]

I don't like Gary much either, but that video posted was one of his better ones

And he's loved all of Star Trek Picard's third season, despite some pushback from his neckbeard edgy audience who are convinced nothing he speaks about can be good.

[Autbot_Benz]

Great piece by Rolling Stone today :roll:

Brie Larson’s ‘The Marvels’ Already Has MCU Fanboys in Their Feelings
Just say you hate women and leave, honestly

SURPRISE, SURPRISE. LESS than three days after Marvel Studios released the first teaser trailer for the upcoming film The Marvels, the film, and its star Brie Larson, are already facing backlash from the misogynistic side of Marvel fandom.

This isn’t Larson’s first time dealing with manchildren for *checks notes* doing her contractually obligated job. Even before Captain Marvel premiered, movie review site Rotten Tomatoes had to update its entire policy in an attempt to prevent angry male fans from review-bombing the film before anyone saw it. A 2019 review from Rolling Stone also noted that incels were enraged by Larson’s press tour, where she pushed for more female inclusion in male-dominated superhero films.


https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-news/brie-larson-the-marvels-mcu-fanboys-misogyny-freak-out-youtube-trailer-trolled-1234714518/

[Cowabung-Gal]

The brie larson defense squad is already up and ready. Rolling Stones says if you don't like brie and this movie just say you hate women and move on

Ugh. These people never cease to make me roll my eyes.

I hate my own sex because I don’t like Miss Stone Face? That’s rich.

[Andrew NDB]

I get why Brie is easy to hate, but why do so many of you pray for this to fail?

There's a little bit to it. We all understand that Captain Marvel 1 was kind of a man-angry, soulless thing with Brie as like the "perfect" spokesperson for such a thing given her outspokenness about such things ("I don't want to hear what 40 year old men think about my movies," etc.). There's also that the way Brie conducts herself in her public personal life didn't seem too dissimilar to Captain Marvel's attitude in the movie. So there's that. And then after the movie came out and she took her lumps, then she showed up in Endgame, by that point I think people were more or less willing to see what a Captain Marvel 2 would be like later on. Like, maybe they'd learn their lesson and the movie would be halfway OK. But they didn't go that route. Captain Marvel 2 quietly became "The Marvels," pushing Ms. Marvel to the forefront, a character that is suspiciously being pushed forward in other Marvel media by leftist ideological types for a few years now despite a consistent consumer response of "We don't like her"/"we don't want her." And then they pull Monica Rambeau out of the ether to round out the team as "the black Captain Marvel."

The whole thing just feels like the whole post-Endgame, SJW/diversity/ideology agenda at Marvel/Disney is coming to a head all at the same time in this movie. It feels like Disney Product™ borne out of ESG directives and it also seems very unabashed and proud of this. So yes, it's very difficult to not wish it to fail. Do we really want more stuff like this? Maybe that isn't fair, but it is what it is.

[Sumac]

I'm a marvel lifer so I give them all the leeway, I get why Brie is easy to hate, but why do so many of you pray for this to fail?
This is the movie which creation was informed by an agenda as opposed to genuine creative idea, with all that entails: pointless screeching about sexism from usual suspects, actors pretending to be offended and harassed and the like.

Besides, it looks like this movie would be just another cookie cutter mediocre Marvel shlock they were feeding audience since after Endgame. So I don't want people to reward mediocrity. If it is genuinely good move with good story, good acting and a lot of heart, then, yeah, good speed. But if its not, well, it deserve to fail.

[ZariusTwo]

According to a plot leak

Danvers is married to an alien prince called Yan, the marriage was an 'accident' but they are just good friends and respect each other. Kamala decides to 'ship them and put it in her lengthy fanfiction about Carol

[ChosenOne]

According to a plot leak

Danvers is married to an alien prince called Yan, the marriage was an 'accident' but they are just good friends and respect each other. Kamala decides to 'ship them and put it in her lengthy fanfiction about Carol

The irony is how fanfiction-y that sounds. Jesus, Marvel...

[Autbot_Benz]

According to a plot leak

Danvers is married to an alien prince called Yan, the marriage was an 'accident' but they are just good friends and respect each other. Kamala decides to 'ship them and put it in her lengthy fanfiction about Carol

yeesh Kamala comes off as a bit of a stalker with her obsession with Carol

[Andrew NDB]

The trailer is up to 500,000 dislikes, a record for any MCU trailer ever:

https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2023/4/pzw0m5o7ddfu9rm9o3mnvbj6cmi5m2?fbclid=IwAR0BfMvw7r FU-Go0Ig0NabN4_lMKfYj0zhAcVbAefVo1wr0Kq9idTNSB91Q

[oldmanwinters]

The trailer is up to 500,000 dislikes, a record for any MCU trailer ever:

https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2023/4/pzw0m5o7ddfu9rm9o3mnvbj6cmi5m2?fbclid=IwAR0BfMvw7r FU-Go0Ig0NabN4_lMKfYj0zhAcVbAefVo1wr0Kq9idTNSB91Q

Does that beat the YT record for Ghostbusters 2016?

[Andrew NDB]

Does that beat the YT record for Ghostbusters 2016?

Apparently the GB 2016 trailer had 500,000 dislikes all the way back in 2016. So probably quite a few more by now.

[oldmanwinters]

Those darn angry trolls!
https://www.cbr.com/the-marvels-trailer-dislikes-trolls/

https://www.indy100.com/viral/the-marvels-trailer-dislike-bombing

https://thedirect.com/article/captain-marvel-2-dislike-bomb-mcu-trailer

https://screenrant.com/the-marvels-mcu-most-disliked-trailer-youtube/

“Proud, male, self-identified nerds”
https://jezebel.com/the-marvels-trailer-becomes-most-disliked-on-youtube-1850337330

“Grudge-holding trolls”
https://uproxx.com/viral/marvels-trailer-brie-larson-dislike-bombed/

[ZariusTwo]

Those darn angry trolls!
https://www.cbr.com/the-marvels-trailer-dislikes-trolls/

I find it funny CBR are quick to label the downvotes as being down to bigots, yet in the very same article they actually list all the reasons people probably didn't like the trailer.

[Sumac]

I find it funny CBR are quick to label the downvotes as being down to bigots, yet in the very same article they actually list all the reasons people probably didn't like the trailer.
Lack of brains in progressives was never a question.

[Coola Yagami]

Those darn angry trolls!
https://www.cbr.com/the-marvels-trailer-dislikes-trolls/

https://www.indy100.com/viral/the-marvels-trailer-dislike-bombing

https://thedirect.com/article/captain-marvel-2-dislike-bomb-mcu-trailer

https://screenrant.com/the-marvels-mcu-most-disliked-trailer-youtube/

“Proud, male, self-identified nerds”
https://jezebel.com/the-marvels-trailer-becomes-most-disliked-on-youtube-1850337330

“Grudge-holding trolls”
https://uproxx.com/viral/marvels-trailer-brie-larson-dislike-bombed/

So NOW it's bad to call yourself a nerd? And I thought geek culture was supposed to be 'in'.

[Autbot_Benz]

Quoting this idiotic Rolling Stone Article I posted a few pages back for those that didn't see it

Great piece by Rolling Stone today :roll:




https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-news/brie-larson-the-marvels-mcu-fanboys-misogyny-freak-out-youtube-trailer-trolled-1234714518/

Rolling Stone says Brie Larson’s ‘The Marvels’ Already Has MCU Fanboys in Their Feelings
Just say you hate women and leave, honestly

[Andrew NDB]

Brie wants to know why she has a blue checkmark on Twitter.

https://cosmicbook.news/brie-larson-wonders-why-she-has-blue-checkmark-on-twitter

[ZariusTwo]

Spoilers for comics

Kamala is getting killed off in a couple of weeks over in Amazing Spider-Man

[Sumac]

SJW outrage in 3...2...1...!

[DarkFell]

I skipped the first movie. I'm in no hurry to see the sequel. Neither movie seems appealing to me.

[Cowabung-Gal]

SJW outrage in 3...2...1...!

https://media.tenor.com/T6Tn29FEoNYAAAAC/no-nooo.gif

[ZariusTwo]

Marvel have been forced to officially announce it two weeks earlier than planned.

https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/marvel-universe-mourns-fallen-friend-death-of-ms-marvel

https://ew.com/books/ms-marvel-kamala-khan-will-die-in-marvel-comic/

[IMJ]

It's a gimmick death anyway. If I had to guess they will kill her in the books and then bring her back with the f'n Quantum Bands to more closely align her to the new, awful movie.

[Andrew NDB]

It's a gimmick death anyway. If I had to guess they will kill her in the books and then bring her back with the f'n Quantum Bands to more closely align her to the new, awful movie.

Of course. She's coming back as a mutant, etc..

[Cowabung-Gal]

j__JmpA0V08

They are not taking it well. :lol:

[Sumac]

Talking about "progressive" comic books... (https://twitter.com/TheVallyD/status/1658840326641967106)and how progressive corporations really are.

Funny, leftards can't see it and eat this **** up like obedient dogs.

[Coola Yagami]

Funny, leftards can't see it and eat this **** up like obedient dogs.

I mean... what's pretty much what they are. Just mindless followers. NPCs.

[Andrew NDB]

Talking about "progressive" comic books... (https://twitter.com/TheVallyD/status/1658840326641967106)and how progressive corporations really are.

I knew it. Scumbags.

[neatoman]

Yeah… Gotta admit, I did suspect something like this was going on...

For a while I chalked up the frequent claims of people being queer or non-binary in the entertainment industry being the result of attracting that sort of person, then people started doing it so frequently that I really started to doubt the sincerity. I just didn't think it went beyond the more ambiguous terminology, lesbian just seemed too clearly defined of a descriptor for anyone to just slip out of without being called out for it.

[ZariusTwo]

Marvels post-credits report

Kate Bishop talks with Kamala and they bring up Scott Lang and his family. It's set up for Young Avengers

[Sumac]

As if anyone would care about those guys.

[Autbot_Benz]

wS_qbDztgVY

[Coola Yagami]

I can't deny it. It does look fun. Sure Carol still looks like she doesn't want to be there (and like she could use a sandwich or two) but the other two make up for her lack of energy.

[Autbot_Benz]

I can't deny it. It does look fun. Sure Carol still looks like she doesn't want to be there (and like she could use a sandwich or two) but the other two make up for her lack of energy.

If they picked any other actress with a pulse to play Carol it would have turned out so much better. But no they go with Brie sourpuss Larson

[Andrew NDB]

That's a better trailer than the first one, for sure. Still, though. Yeesh... idk.

[Coola Yagami]

Also kinda/funny weird how Fury and Carol talk as if they're old friends that hang out every Saturday or so, without mention of a good 20-30 year gap since the first and second time they met.

Honestly the MCU movies do feel weird and directionless without the core Avengers around. It's just not the same without Cap and Tony. The Avengers are pretty much gone, no matter how hard they're trying to push for a Gen 2 or a Young Avengers or whatever.

[Autbot_Benz]

Also the villain of the movie is Dollar store Wish.com female Ronan the Accuser

[Dpooly84]

Dar-Benn is a real character from the comics, but gender swapped for the movie

[Andrew NDB]

Dar-Benn is a real character from the comics, but gender swapped for the movie

Naturally. :roll:

[Dpooly84]

Naturally. :roll:

You know, girl power! Lmao

[Autbot_Benz]

The Marvels’ Director Says Superhero Fatigue ‘Absolutely Exists,’ New MCU Film Is ‘Really Wacky and Silly’ Compared to Others

“I think superhero fatigue absolutely exists,” DaCosta told Total Film magazine. “The biggest difference from the other MCU movies to date is that [‘The Marvels’ is] really wacky, and silly. The worlds we go to in this movie are worlds unlike others you’ve seen in the MCU. Bright worlds that you haven’t seen before.”



oh boy Love and Thunder 2.0?

https://variety.com/2023/film/news/the-marvels-director-superhero-fatigue-exists-wacky-silly-1235694441/

[IMJ]

"Agenda fatigue". They are afraid to say it so they'd rather sink it with the classic "it's the viewers fault - they are fatigued" thing.

[Sumac]

"it's the viewers fault - they are fatigued"
It is never fault of progressive ****s, it is always fault of someone else, their policies and ideology don't work!

[Coola Yagami]

This is pretty much that Principal Skinner meme.

"Are we that out of touch? Could it be that nobody likes our woke messaging in movies?"

"No, it's the audience that is wrong."

[ZariusTwo]

Movie is only 93 minutes

https://www.gamesradar.com/the-marvels-runtime-leak-shortest-mcu-movie/

[Andrew NDB]

Movie is only 93 minutes

https://www.gamesradar.com/the-marvels-runtime-leak-shortest-mcu-movie/

I can only imagine the pile of cringe on the cutting room floor.

[Zulithe]

Don't think the runtime is confirmed yet... but yeah that's shorter than we usually see for a MCU entry. To be perfectly honest though, it's not one I actually want to go see either. I didn't even watch Ms Marvel even though I have D+.

[TheCanadiandrome]

Don't think the runtime is confirmed yet... but yeah that's shorter than we usually see for a MCU entry. To be perfectly honest though, it's not one I actually want to go see either. I didn't even watch Ms Marvel even though I have D+.

Ya didn’t miss much lol

[Andrew NDB]

I didn't even watch Ms Marvel even though I have D+.

Couldn't really bring myself to watch it. And then when it first came out I'd see angry leftists on Facebook saying variations on stuff like, "All of you CIS white men who say you don't like Ms. Marvel, THIS SHOW ISN'T FOR YOU!" And I'm reading that thinking, "Hey, I believe you."

[Coola Yagami]

Couldn't really bring myself to watch it. And then when it first came out I'd see angry leftists on Facebook saying variations on stuff like, "All of you CIS white men who say you don't like Ms. Marvel, THIS SHOW ISN'T FOR YOU!" And I'm reading that thinking, "Hey, I believe you."

That's the thing thought isn't it. It's almost like they forget white people are the majority. POCs are called minorities for a reason, after all.

So when a show and its showrunners proudly declares 'THIS SHOW ISN'T FOR YOU' and they say 'ok', then they wonder why their show bombs. Because they literally told the MAJORITY not to watch and there aren't enough minorities watching to make a dent in the ratings.

[Autbot_Benz]

I didn't watch Ms Marvel either and if she in her own show is as annoying as she is in those The Marvels Trailers I dodged a bullet.

[CyberCubed]

I remember one whole episode was her mother (or grandmother), saying how she had mixed Indian and Pakistani blood and half the episode was spent about how people were racist against her from both countries because of it.

[Andrew NDB]

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2023/09/nia-dacosta-on-navigating-the-blockbuster-machine

The director admitting she didn't know what she was doing, racism blah blah, how it isn't her movie, that it's really Kevin Feige's movie, and she won't do another Marvel movie. Sounds promising for the movie.

[Coola Yagami]

My understanding is, they're already preparing to blame the writer's strike to explain why the movie will bomb when it does.

[Andrew NDB]

My understanding is, they're already preparing to blame the writer's strike to explain why the movie will bomb when it does.

Yes, because Brie Larson can't promote the movie it'll fail. :lol:

[IMJ]

All I know is that now there are TWO bangles instead of one and more and more those things appear to be Quantum Bands which is infuriating.

Between that, the Brie and now the Director even using words about middle aged white dudes, f this movie, f this movie's box office, f this movie's agenda and f the careers of anyone involved with it.

[Sumac]

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2023/09/nia-dacosta-on-navigating-the-blockbuster-machine

The director admitting she didn't know what she was doing, racism blah blah, how it isn't her movie, that it's really Kevin Feige's movie, and she won't do another Marvel movie. Sounds promising for the movie.
At least she keeps it somewhat lowkey, but I can see her totally blaming failure of this movie to a "sexist trolls from an Internet"...