Disney + Agatha House of Harkness [Archive]

neatoman

11-12-2021, 07:31 PM

Didn't know Marvel wanted to make series about FW April's aunt.

Ah yes, Agatha Marbles from the Fred Wolf cartoon, one of the countless countless characteters from that show nobody gives a ratshit about because she didn't come from the toyline. Thanks for reminding me of a useless character who will never be in anything else because people tend to mistake what they are actually nostalgic about.

Andrew NDB

11-12-2021, 08:14 PM

So Agatha is going to snap out of it... and do what, exactly?

neatoman

11-12-2021, 08:39 PM

So Agatha is going to snap out of it... and do what, exactly?

I don't know... Babysit Franklin Richards?

Sumac

11-13-2021, 01:24 AM

Ah yes, Agatha Marbles from the Fred Wolf cartoon, one of the countless countless characteters from that show nobody gives a ratshit about because she didn't come from the toyline. Thanks for reminding me of a useless character who will never be in anything else because people tend to mistake what they are actually nostalgic about.
Did FW series killed your gold fish? :D

neatoman

11-13-2021, 08:21 AM

Did FW series killed your gold fish? :D

No, just pointing out that people people seem to remember the toyline better than the show.

Coola Yagami

11-13-2021, 12:23 PM

ZariusTwo

11-13-2021, 12:35 PM

Did FW series killed your gold fish? :D

There's a small contingent of anti-FW loudmouths here that just can't wrap their head around the forum they're posting in.

Sumac

11-13-2021, 04:17 PM

No, just pointing out that people people seem to remember the toyline better than the show.
Toyline is the only reason why people are excited about stuff like Shredder's Revenge...sure, mate. Sure.:D

neatoman

11-13-2021, 05:17 PM

There's a small contingent of anti-FW loudmouths here that just can't wrap their head around the forum they're posting in.

And there's a small contingent of people who still actively want to talk about that show here for any other reason, weird how that shakes out right? Maybe this really was the dedicated Fred Wolf forum like 20 years ago but that's hardly the case anymore.

Toyline is the only reason why people are excited about stuff like Shredder's Revenge...sure, mate. Sure.:D

That game? At first I thought you meant some episode of the show, I had already forgotten about that. Anyway, you could argue that is because of the ties to the old games, which still isn't the show itself and can be argued for being an extension of the toyline.

Anyway, I think you both miss the point here. The Fred Wolf show has a ton of characters show up but unless they had toys, they generally never showed up in anything else. Do you think it's a coincidence that a character like Mutagen Man, who was only ever in one episode, appears in both the 2012 cartoon and the IDW comic while someone like Agatha Marbles don't?

IMJ

11-13-2021, 05:49 PM

Already this whole thread reeks of "the people of the Technodrome". The irony? Not only has it carried on, but the comment that took it off topic in the first place was a simple cast-off joke.

How on Earth did this reply....

Ah yes, Agatha Marbles from the Fred Wolf cartoon, one of the countless countless characteters from that show nobody gives a ratshit about because she didn't come from the toyline. Thanks for reminding me of a useless character who will never be in anything else because people tend to mistake what they are actually nostalgic about.

....even remotely meet the context of the joke, let alone be put out there with such vitriol literally out of nowhere?

I mean... not only does it have nothing to do with the actual thread topic, but it doesn't even match up to the context or contingent of what could have only been an inside joke here on a TMNT community in the first place.

I think neatoman needs a Drome Forum break..... Trust me, brother. I know. I've been there myself. :lol:;)

neatoman

11-13-2021, 07:03 PM

Already this whole thread reeks of "the people of the Technodrome". The irony? Not only has it carried on, but the comment that took it off topic in the first place was a simple cast-off joke.

How on Earth did this reply....

....even remotely meet the context of the joke, let alone be put out there with such vitriol literally out of nowhere?

I mean... not only does it have nothing to do with the actual thread topic, but it doesn't even match up to the context or contingent of what could have only been an inside joke here on a TMNT community in the first place.

I think neatoman needs a Drome Forum break..... Trust me, brother. I know. I've been there myself. :lol:;)

I don't really see the problem, he referenced an obscure character, I said the character is obscure.

Sumac

11-13-2021, 07:19 PM

And there's a small contingent of people who still actively want to talk about that show here for any other reason, weird how that shakes out right? Maybe this really was the dedicated Fred Wolf forum like 20 years ago but that's hardly the case anymore.
Well, you always can become one of the 0,5 people talking about 2k2 series, 2k12, Rise or Bay-Turtles, if you like!

And still it will be a 0,5 less than people who talk about FW series in one context or the other. :lol:

That game? At first I thought you meant some episode of the show, I had already forgotten about that. Anyway, you could argue that is because of the ties to the old games, which still isn't the show itself and can be argued for being an extension of the toyline.
Yeah, mate, everyone love FW Turtles and stuff associated with it just because of toys.
No other reason, like TV series, which was around for 10 years...Nope, just toys, because, according to you, no-one can genuinely like Fred Wolf series and remember it outside of toys, video games and other stuff inspired by it.

Like in Russia, most people TMNT, because, of the TV series, toys come second, if it all.

neatoman

11-13-2021, 07:53 PM

Yeah, mate, everyone love FW Turtles and stuff associated with it just because of toys.
No other reason, like TV series, which was around for 10 years...Nope, just toys, because, according to you, no-one can genuinely like Fred Wolf series and remember it outside of toys, video games and other stuff inspired by it.

Like in Russia, most people TMNT, because, of the TV series, toys come second, if it all.

You are correct about the show lasting for as long as it did because of some other reason than toys.

It's not hard to "last 10 years" (actually slightly less than 9 but who's counting?) if your studio has no other successes under it's belt and the fact that the actual IP owner won't renew your contract if the show ends because they hate you, of course it kept going under that kind of pressure. Do you think it's a coincidence that the last three seasons were so short and overhauled the stylistic choices?

Whatever, the point is more that it is memories of the show and the related products, not so much the show itself that remains in heart of pop culture. It's like Super Friends in that sense, sure people "remember" Super Friends and it was the most well known version of the JLA well into the 2000's, but there's also kind of a reason why the Bruce Timm cartoons largely rejected Super Friends and it has probably been referenced more on Robot Chicken and Family Guy than it has been by official DC material.

IMJ

11-14-2021, 09:59 AM

Actually, you know what? Now that I think about it, the TMNT banter in this thread is actually better than the thread-thesis itself. Agatha is not a character that needs a show. It's just an opportunistic pump from Feige's ever growing extremism and drift from the books.

I mean seriously. "Agatha Harkness"? Given other things they could be doing and the time it takes and so on, seems like a huge waste of resources. More and more I'm thinking that Feige's Marvel has entered that liberal-business phase that ruins every organization - the "throw all of the $#!( ideas at the wall and see what sticks". And in the end these people act like they were movers and shakers but all you've got is a wall covered in $#!(.

I'm not saying that on it's own merits it couldn't make entertaining T.V. or whatever. Just saying that it's front-loaded and at an opportunity cost for whatever else could be done.

ZariusTwo

03-06-2023, 08:29 AM

Alleged plot leak

Agatha is freed from Wanda's spell following Multiverse of Madness, the people of Westview consider her a hero.

Agatha adopts a son called Nick, who is gay and idolizes Wanda, he has major fall out with his mother who insists Wanda was evil.

The 'coven of chaos' are a group of witches, who target Nick, they wish to convert him into the vessel for the Demiurge

Aubrey Plaza plays Morgana, the most powerful witch from the coven who is leading the chase for Nick.

Nick and his boyfriend Mitchell locate Nick’s biological parents and find out his real name is Billy Kaplan, but Mitchell is himself an agent of Morganna

Morgana worships the devil Mephisto

At some point, The Hood spies on Billy for two episodes and saves him from the Skrulls

By episode 8, which is a musical, the series becomes Wandavision season two with a depowered Wanda returning and teaming with Agatha to stop the coven and take back Billy, who is her son. Agatha defeats Morganna and Wanda declines a deal by Mephisto.

Wanda, Billy and Agatha form a quasi-family and setting off in search of the reincarnation of Billy’s brother Tommy

Andrew NDB

03-06-2023, 11:34 AM

That sounds horrible.

oldmanwinters

03-06-2023, 11:42 AM

Really thought this thread was gonna be an Agatha Christie murder mystery series reboot.

ZariusTwo

03-12-2023, 02:24 PM

Olsen publicly teasing involvement, maybe the leak is real

https://deadline.com/2023/03/elizabeth-olsen-agatha-conven-of-chaos-marvel-sxsw-1235287018/

Sabacooza

03-12-2023, 08:42 PM

seeing as how Disney is ****, it wouldn't surprise me if that terrible plot leak is real.

Zulithe

03-12-2023, 10:01 PM

I think there is a strong chance the leak is real because they have to get billy and tommy ready for new avengers which we all know is coming, and the existing actors aren't the right age. Also, I like those two characters, so I will be checking it out for that reason. Also Agatha was incredible in that series, of course I want more.

AquaParade

03-13-2023, 07:06 AM

Now that the MCU is in trouble, it’s sinking in how goofy it was to green light “Echo” and “Agatha” series, while fans have been clamoring about X-Men for the five years you’ve owned them now.

And sorry Victoria Alonso, but I definitely don’t think we’ll be renaming them to “X-Women” or whatever you were planning on pushing.

Autbot_Benz

09-01-2023, 05:51 PM

Agatha, the WandaVision spinoff starring Kathryn Hahn, was originally announced for a winter 2023 release has been pushed back to early fall 2024, where it will serve as a lead-up to the Halloween holiday. The show, which completed its filming before the strikes, was previously titled Agatha: House of Harkness and then Agatha: Coven of Chaos before falling on its currently name, Agatha: Darkhold Diaries.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/marvel-tv-show-release-dates-1235580093/

CyberCubed

09-01-2023, 06:17 PM

Who honestly wants this?

KROW

09-01-2023, 09:28 PM

Who honestly wants this?

Well, if the previously posted article is to be trusted, the subtitle of, "Darkhold Diaries" might eventually give us more Werewolf by Night and Emma Bloodstone, which was quite favorable. The Darkhold is like Marvel's Necronomicon.

Andrew NDB

09-01-2023, 10:36 PM

Who honestly wants this?

Not me. And this over a Wanda and Vision new season, or even just Vision?

ZariusTwo

09-02-2023, 01:42 AM

Well, if the previously posted article is to be trusted,

It's Hollywood Reporter. It's credible.

Mayhem

09-02-2023, 02:41 AM

Bunch of stuff bumped due to strikes

Autbot_Benz

05-14-2024, 04:36 PM

https://i.imgur.com/mLvXnKz.png

Andrew NDB

05-14-2024, 04:37 PM

Autbot_Benz

05-22-2024, 11:42 AM

They changed the title back, now several titles later and several before that one?

Not looking forward to this. Years later, and they're barely cobbling together an Agatha show, while Vision is nowhere even in sight, remotely?

Marvel has tapped “Star Trek: Picard” executive producer Terry Matalas to resurrect Vision, the synthezoid played by Paul Bettany, for a new, untitled Disney+ series set for 2026, Variety has learned exclusively. Bettany will return to the role and Matalas will serve as showrunner.

https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/mar...as-1236003735/

Autbot_Benz

07-08-2024, 11:08 AM

https://i.imgur.com/0H8SO4L.jpeg

Two Episode premiere

Coola Yagami

07-08-2024, 11:15 AM

Surely this will set the MCU back on track....

Autbot_Benz

07-08-2024, 11:29 AM

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Andrew NDB

07-08-2024, 11:51 AM

I don't... think I want to support that.

Drose18

07-08-2024, 07:31 PM

Looks decent enough but it is kind of ridiculous this is even being made, at least as part of the (now apparently more focused and minimized) MCU slate. Sure the characters and maybe events are owned by and part of Marvel but did we really need a whole show on this when there are dozens of more important characters that are in critical need of screen time?

If this show didn't have the Marvel tag I wouldn't tune in and even as being part of Marvel that won't get me to watch it either unless someone I trust on these things tells me its worth it.

Just disappointing decision after decision from Marvel Studios.

On the brightside Xmen 97 was gold, Deadpool & Wolverine looks good, and there should be a Captain America 4 trailer this week

Autbot_Benz

09-15-2024, 10:11 AM

Hahn was also asked about the WandaVision spin-off's LGBTQ+ themes (Joe Locke's "Teen" is openly gay, and Agatha herself was in a relationship with Aubrey Plaza's Rio Vidal), and she feels that "queerness" has always been a big part of the show.

https://comicbookmovie.com/tv/marvel/agatha-coven-of-chaos/agatha-all-along-star-kathryn-hahn-on-potential-fantastic-four-team-up-shows-lgbtq-themes-a213159#gs.en8hkq

Andrew NDB

09-15-2024, 01:41 PM

Clearly greenlit before the big Marvel purge of activists.

Andrew NDB

09-17-2024, 11:21 PM

https://i.ibb.co/1KJ1bYk/FB-IMG-1726631822602.jpg

CyberCubed

10-27-2024, 09:23 PM

I'm watching through it on 1.5x speed while browsing the internet, there's some decent parts here but you're basically watching a bunch of middle age women (Agatha is lesbian because of course), and a gay teen travel together going through different time periods of clothing (70's, 90's housewives), for no reason. I don't know why this has 9 episodes...should of been 5-6 eps at most.

Coola Yagami

10-27-2024, 11:59 PM