Disney + Agatha House of Harkness

[Autbot_Benz]

[Sumac]

Didn't know Marvel wanted to make series about FW April's aunt.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by Sumac

Didn't know Marvel wanted to make series about FW April's aunt.

Ah yes, Agatha Marbles from the Fred Wolf cartoon, one of the countless countless characteters from that show nobody gives a ratshit about because she didn't come from the toyline. Thanks for reminding me of a useless character who will never be in anything else because people tend to mistake what they are actually nostalgic about.

[Andrew NDB]

So Agatha is going to snap out of it... and do what, exactly?

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

So Agatha is going to snap out of it... and do what, exactly?

I don't know... Babysit Franklin Richards?

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by neatoman

Ah yes, Agatha Marbles from the Fred Wolf cartoon, one of the countless countless characteters from that show nobody gives a ratshit about because she didn't come from the toyline. Thanks for reminding me of a useless character who will never be in anything else because people tend to mistake what they are actually nostalgic about.

Did FW series killed your gold fish?

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by Sumac

Did FW series killed your gold fish?

No, just pointing out that people people seem to remember the toyline better than the show.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by neatoman

Ah yes, Agatha Marbles from the Fred Wolf cartoon, one of the countless countless characteters from that show nobody gives a ratshit about because she didn't come from the toyline. Thanks for reminding me of a useless character who will never be in anything else because people tend to mistake what they are actually nostalgic about.

I mean... this is a forum based on the 80's TMNT show after all. Most people here would know who Agatha, Zack and Big Louie are, for better or for worse.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Sumac

Did FW series killed your gold fish?

There's a small contingent of anti-FW loudmouths here that just can't wrap their head around the forum they're posting in.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by neatoman

No, just pointing out that people people seem to remember the toyline better than the show.

Toyline is the only reason why people are excited about stuff like Shredder's Revenge...sure, mate. Sure.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

There's a small contingent of anti-FW loudmouths here that just can't wrap their head around the forum they're posting in.

And there's a small contingent of people who still actively want to talk about that show here for any other reason, weird how that shakes out right? Maybe this really was the dedicated Fred Wolf forum like 20 years ago but that's hardly the case anymore.

Originally Posted by Sumac

Toyline is the only reason why people are excited about stuff like Shredder's Revenge...sure, mate. Sure.

That game? At first I thought you meant some episode of the show, I had already forgotten about that. Anyway, you could argue that is because of the ties to the old games, which still isn't the show itself and can be argued for being an extension of the toyline.

Anyway, I think you both miss the point here. The Fred Wolf show has a ton of characters show up but unless they had toys, they generally never showed up in anything else. Do you think it's a coincidence that a character like Mutagen Man, who was only ever in one episode, appears in both the 2012 cartoon and the IDW comic while someone like Agatha Marbles don't?

[IMJ]

Already this whole thread reeks of "the people of the Technodrome". The irony? Not only has it carried on, but the comment that took it off topic in the first place was a simple cast-off joke.

How on Earth did this reply....

Originally Posted by neatoman

Ah yes, Agatha Marbles from the Fred Wolf cartoon, one of the countless countless characteters from that show nobody gives a ratshit about because she didn't come from the toyline. Thanks for reminding me of a useless character who will never be in anything else because people tend to mistake what they are actually nostalgic about.

....even remotely meet the context of the joke, let alone be put out there with such vitriol literally out of nowhere?

I mean... not only does it have nothing to do with the actual thread topic, but it doesn't even match up to the context or contingent of what could have only been an inside joke here on a TMNT community in the first place.

I think neatoman needs a Drome Forum break..... Trust me, brother. I know. I've been there myself.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by IMJ

Already this whole thread reeks of "the people of the Technodrome". The irony? Not only has it carried on, but the comment that took it off topic in the first place was a simple cast-off joke.

How on Earth did this reply....



....even remotely meet the context of the joke, let alone be put out there with such vitriol literally out of nowhere?

I mean... not only does it have nothing to do with the actual thread topic, but it doesn't even match up to the context or contingent of what could have only been an inside joke here on a TMNT community in the first place.

I think neatoman needs a Drome Forum break..... Trust me, brother. I know. I've been there myself.

I don't really see the problem, he referenced an obscure character, I said the character is obscure.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by neatoman

And there's a small contingent of people who still actively want to talk about that show here for any other reason, weird how that shakes out right? Maybe this really was the dedicated Fred Wolf forum like 20 years ago but that's hardly the case anymore.

Well, you always can become one of the 0,5 people talking about 2k2 series, 2k12, Rise or Bay-Turtles, if you like!

And still it will be a 0,5 less than people who talk about FW series in one context or the other.

Originally Posted by neatoman

That game? At first I thought you meant some episode of the show, I had already forgotten about that. Anyway, you could argue that is because of the ties to the old games, which still isn't the show itself and can be argued for being an extension of the toyline.

Yeah, mate, everyone love FW Turtles and stuff associated with it just because of toys.
No other reason, like TV series, which was around for 10 years...Nope, just toys, because, according to you, no-one can genuinely like Fred Wolf series and remember it outside of toys, video games and other stuff inspired by it.

Like in Russia, most people TMNT, because, of the TV series, toys come second, if it all.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by Sumac

Yeah, mate, everyone love FW Turtles and stuff associated with it just because of toys.
No other reason, like TV series, which was around for 10 years...Nope, just toys, because, according to you, no-one can genuinely like Fred Wolf series and remember it outside of toys, video games and other stuff inspired by it.

Like in Russia, most people TMNT, because, of the TV series, toys come second, if it all.

You are correct about the show lasting for as long as it did because of some other reason than toys.

It's not hard to "last 10 years" (actually slightly less than 9 but who's counting?) if your studio has no other successes under it's belt and the fact that the actual IP owner won't renew your contract if the show ends because they hate you, of course it kept going under that kind of pressure. Do you think it's a coincidence that the last three seasons were so short and overhauled the stylistic choices?

Whatever, the point is more that it is memories of the show and the related products, not so much the show itself that remains in heart of pop culture. It's like Super Friends in that sense, sure people "remember" Super Friends and it was the most well known version of the JLA well into the 2000's, but there's also kind of a reason why the Bruce Timm cartoons largely rejected Super Friends and it has probably been referenced more on Robot Chicken and Family Guy than it has been by official DC material.

[IMJ]

Actually, you know what? Now that I think about it, the TMNT banter in this thread is actually better than the thread-thesis itself. Agatha is not a character that needs a show. It's just an opportunistic pump from Feige's ever growing extremism and drift from the books.

I mean seriously. "Agatha Harkness"? Given other things they could be doing and the time it takes and so on, seems like a huge waste of resources. More and more I'm thinking that Feige's Marvel has entered that liberal-business phase that ruins every organization - the "throw all of the $#!( ideas at the wall and see what sticks". And in the end these people act like they were movers and shakers but all you've got is a wall covered in $#!(.

I'm not saying that on it's own merits it couldn't make entertaining T.V. or whatever. Just saying that it's front-loaded and at an opportunity cost for whatever else could be done.

[ZariusTwo]

Alleged plot leak

Spoiler:

Agatha is freed from Wanda's spell following Multiverse of Madness, the people of Westview consider her a hero.

Agatha adopts a son called Nick, who is gay and idolizes Wanda, he has major fall out with his mother who insists Wanda was evil.

The 'coven of chaos' are a group of witches, who target Nick, they wish to convert him into the vessel for the Demiurge

Aubrey Plaza plays Morgana, the most powerful witch from the coven who is leading the chase for Nick.

Nick and his boyfriend Mitchell locate Nick’s biological parents and find out his real name is Billy Kaplan, but Mitchell is himself an agent of Morganna

Morgana worships the devil Mephisto

At some point, The Hood spies on Billy for two episodes and saves him from the Skrulls

By episode 8, which is a musical, the series becomes Wandavision season two with a depowered Wanda returning and teaming with Agatha to stop the coven and take back Billy, who is her son. Agatha defeats Morganna and Wanda declines a deal by Mephisto.

Wanda, Billy and Agatha form a quasi-family and setting off in search of the reincarnation of Billy’s brother Tommy

[Andrew NDB]

That sounds horrible.

[oldmanwinters]

Really thought this thread was gonna be an Agatha Christie murder mystery series reboot.

[ZariusTwo]

Olsen publicly teasing involvement, maybe the leak is real

https://deadline.com/2023/03/elizabe...sw-1235287018/